I think “Love and Thunder” is going to show an all new stronger Thor. Endgame was far from his full potential due to his state of mind. I think Thor could be stronger than Odin
Yup I do think of thor becomes a full time king and obtains the odin force he will surpass odin, although I think the "you're stronger" quote wasnt literal
@@juanestebanrodriguez9057 it wasn't. Not in the sense of stronger in battle or more powerful. Thor has an ability to unit the Asgardians and keep Asgard from being destroyed, which Odin knows is going to happen.
I think Odin was talking about Thor's emotional strength And not his physical strength. And that he views Thor a better Asgardian than he was. And that he was proud of him.
Nope, they were talking about power because that was thor's awakening. Thor was talking about how he could beat Hela, his popsy answered he is stronger talking about Thor's potential. That just means that at the very age of Thor, he was already impressive compared to his popsy. Popsy was refering to Thor's potential. He will become stronger than Allfather soon. :)
Odin said “you’re stronger,” in regards to his ability to overcome and make good decisions, knowing he was going to need to destroy their home world in order to stop Hela, something Odin was not able to do, even though he knew it was the only real way to stop her as Hela is stronger than both of them and even an unpowered up Thanos.
I too always thought he was referring to the trials Thor had endured up to that point, while still remaining morally decent compared to Odin's other children Loki and Hella, and how Thor would realize he wasn't fighting to defend his home, but its people.
Wow...I dont think I could ever put it better than this, man. "You're stronger" referring to the decisions he would HAVE to confront. Such a great DIRECT point.
Wow it's amazing how ya interpreter make this bs to sastisfy your idea of what Odin meant. He meant he is stronger, the problem was that Thor had not realize it and grasp it. Don't try to twist it.
@@nckc8933 Well, my interpretation may not be as easy to see as yours and you’re more than welcome to disagree, but at least I can formulate my opinions with good English and grammar. Odin is unaware of Thor’s Mystic Energy and even with it, Thor is not as powerful as Odin was at full power with Gungir. However, Thor has always been stronger as a person who is willing to do what it takes to save others out of selflessness and not greed or power, political or otherwise. Thor and Odin go toe to toe and if you think Thor at full power (without his mystic strength or Axe) could even come close to Odin with Gungir at max strength, you’re out of your element and should read more about Odin. Odin is one of the most powerful entities in the Marvel Universe ever. Admittedly, MCU is a little different though, so you’re point of view isn’t as crazy as it sounds. Could just be words of encouragement too, but after all the conversations about “home.” From Odin and what makes home, I’m pretty sure some or all of my interpretation is pretty sound.
@@nckc8933 Comparatively, MCU Odin is far-less powerful than the "Norse Mythological" version. That stated...regarding only the MCU version, are you willing to go as far as to suggest: Had Odin had been fighting Hela in Ragnarok...it would've resolved in the SAME manner?? Mind you now...we're talking about a Elder-god of whom even THANOS, wouldn't DARE step to.
according to the "Avengers Assemble" animated series, when the Avengers manage to convince Thanos to fight them and win with only one infinity stone at a time, Thor explains that age makes Asguardians more powerful. so if Thor is currently more powerful than Odin ever was, Thor will only become more and more powerful as time goes by. and in that short fight with Thanos, Thor even managed to overpower an infinity stone with Mjölnir, which does not actively enhance his power like Stormbreaker does, but only allows him to focus it.
I mean in Infinity War Thor threw Stormbreaker so hard that he could overpower an energy blast containing the energy of every infinity stone I’m pretty sure that Thanos with the Infinity stones is stronger than Hela
@@locqfortune5652 The only reason Thanos survived is because he used his dying breath to warp reality so he could heal himself and escape If you replaced Hella with Thanos then she wouldn’t have been able to survive that scenario Not to mention that Thanos ( with the Infinity Gauntlet) is just stronger than Hela. Thanos is stated to be capable of literally destroying and creating entire universes while in possession of the Gauntlet Hela has no feats or statements to imply that she is capable of doing things like this
Well right now Thor doesn’t even know he has access to One of the most powerful forms of mystic energy in the MCU once he figures out how to harness it he will be able to do stuff like Odin did Thor is super close to being rune king Thor or that version of Thor that had Full access to the Odin Force and the Power cosmic 🙂
Lol Rune King Thor would be too powerful for the mcu - having power to the Odin force doesn't mean he's RKT. RKT has multiversal levels of power, I mean he killed 6 celestial like beings. But as I was saying, I dont think RKT will be introduced any time soon.
Wait wait wait I'm not goin that far this early I was just tellin my roommate bout Rune King Thor and I don't wanna say he's close, he had to understand the Odinforce and he gives up both eyes right, making it the Thorforce and going thru all he does to reach that level of power, idk if MCU can put him in that role this soon with little context if people dint know bout his comic feats and wat it took
@@Sennessence I don't think they should make him rune king thor any time soon. I mean, Thanos would not be able to stop RKT. There's so many powers of Thor untouched in the MCU like the fact that he kept up with silver surfer (pace), he lifted up earth with midguards serpant wrapped around and even went toe to toe with hercules in a arm wrestle and even Hercules couldn't beat him so they stopped as world's were being destroyed (strength), his reality warping abilities and so much more
Na it's the Odin force and Asgardian mystical magics, Stormbreaker creates its own Bifrost because of the same energies. It's nothing to do with the space stone
Remember beginning of Infinity War Heimdall asks for the All Fathers to let the dark energy flow through him one last time. So yeah it probably is something not related to the Space Stone
Perhaps Thor may become as strong as Odin someday, but it's really a moot point. While the current writers that control the MCU remain in charge, Thor will take a backseat to CM and the other heroes that check the right boxes.
They do, thor at this stage is not even close in terms of feat and power compared to odin... We saw odin feats in the movies and we saw him hold mjonir and heimdall sword like they were nothing. And we also saw hela didn't even try to come back until odin was dead. The author of this video making a video without much knowledge
@@Cyrus-rodn45 Hela COULDN'T come back until Odin had died because of the spell he cast to contain her. You seem to be commenting without much knowledge.
@@MikeShabs odin was getting weaker and he couldn't contain her. When he died she came back. Guess u wanted to disprove me as not knowledgeable by basically saying the same thing in a different way 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think Odin’s “you’re stronger” to Thor is less about actual strength and more about the will to do what is right and or necessary for the greater good to be achieved. Thor didn’t lose to Thanos because he’s weaker, he lost because for a second he let his arrogance take control again, he had to let Thanos know that he beat him as opposed to just finishing the job. This combined with the fall off in Endgame creates even more room for growth for Thor, that’s why i think in Love & Thunder he will reach an insane level, even past the one from Infinity War. So yeah, i do think that MCU Thor will surpass MCU Odin.
You may be right. In his younger years, Odin was a evil monster of a man. He loved only fighting, death and carnage. But unlike Hella(or Hel, with one l, that her real name is), he over the years gained the wisdom to see the error of his ways, and chose a different path. Looking at that, Thor is way ahead of Odin. Yes he is at times incredibly arrogant, and loves violence. But he already has honor and a sense of right and wrong. He has already realized the responsibility his powers lays on him. Finally he has made that personal choice to fight to protect those that can not protect themselves. In many ways, Young Thor is the Shining star to Young Odin's Black Hole.
No he meant stronger physically because Odin never flew around with mjolnir and coursed lighting and fought like Thor. Thor is a more fierce warrior than Odin because Odin was more busy with his job of leading the Kingdom while Thor was more busy training his muscles and his combat arts. Thor is literally stronger. His mother was chosen specifically for her power as a God as Odin new her child would be more powerful than him. So Thor is stronger.
@@TechVibeReviews1 You are talking about Odin in his older days, after he sacrificed his eye for wisdom. in his youth Odin was a savage war hungry bastard. He lived for the fight, for the death of his enemies. At that point in time at the pinnacle of his physical strength, he was stronger than the Thor we see in the movies. But Thor is still quite young for a Asgardian, and clearly has the potential to become much more powerful than Odin. But remember, from the comics, we know that Odin once Knocked out Galactus with one punch. And that was old Odin.
I think Odin was really saying that Thor currently wields the same amount of power that Odin held after his (Odin's) many years of battle experience. What remains is untapped power that Thor will harness in time making him even more powerful that Odin himself. If Thor had Odin's knowledge and battle experience, Thanos would have hid from Thor just as he was hiding from Odin. Thanos only made his move for the stones after Odin died knowing that Odin would have wiped the floor with him.
I want to see loki get gungnir to channel his magic through and of course control the destroyer which probably survived. While it was left on asgard the fact it was an apocalypse event he should be able to go get it as shown in the loki show.
destroyer destroyed by thor. that why hydull called thor destroyer. but hammer and shields what ever seem drop main branch time line like rain. ya maybe loki get that like said but think alternate reality destroyer. or use prim parties they go branch reality pick un broken one up. did have theory that red skull peace gungnir spear and destroyed destroyer thought end with hydra who new zolafies room cap and winter solder. so seem left of destroyer arms and legs makes sense tv face would make it into body both red skull and Arron zolofie try harness power gods witch asgurdians. make long story short loki take peace spear from red skull arms and legs listen him as know king or (queen) of asgurd as married to valrkie. who has real power rule asgurd but loki as son odion what give power Marrieage. witch loki agreed none of this. odin said let destroy asgurd again.
But what about Hela? Is she more powerful than Odin too? I asked this because she easily overpowered Thor and that led to the decision to unleash Surtur to destroy Asgard.
Of course... Marvel's foreshadowing is insanely spot on. And since he said "You're stronger" and i doubt we've seen him "stronger" yet. Remember Odin banished Hella for most of if not just about all of Thor's life that would indicate we have to see feats on par with that one in order to see him as "stronger"
He will realize and awaken his full potential, there is a reason the play that part in the story line. Comic Thor is already stronger than Odin and I have no doubt they put in the condition of bean out of his state of mind to weaken him in Endgame. But now he has to face Gor...
I believe Thor's power is at an extraordinary level. Remember, when Thor talks with the Odin's spirit, Odin says that Thor is more powerful than him in the present tense. Then we see Thor exercise his power to manipulate thunder to strike down Hela in all her hubris. I'm sure that the members of The Marvelous Wave know this but in the Marvel comic book story arcs, which are light years ahead of the MCU, have Thor losing just not one, but both eyes to increase his sight and power exponentially. Thank you for another awesome video!
@@naeemislam1105 Hello! Remember, strength and power are synonyms. Sure Odin wants to motivate his son for the sake of good but he is also telling the truth. Thor's power increases over time as he continues to grow as a god but also spiritually.
I think if in thor love and thunder thor face gorr the God butcher he might became or start his journey towards becoming rune king thor so if he's got the odin force plus that of rune king thor power he would be pretty much above odin's level by a lot meaning he can kill celestial. And I strongly believe that since mcu made scarlet witch so powerful they wouldn't leave the mcu unbalanced so rune king thor might be happening in the mcu plus the celestials are introduced so we have yet to see.
Thor eventually becomes a Herald of Galactus. So not only was he as powerful and eventually more powerful than Odin (although less experienced with said Odin/Thor force), he then had the power cosmic to wield.
The Odinforce in Ragnorak was confusing. When Odin passed on, the force became Hela's as she was his first born. This is why Thor and Loki had to give Serta the power of the eternal flame in order to defeat her. Once she was defeated by Serta, the Odinforce became Thor's. He couldn't tap into it until he got his hands on Stormbreaker, which is why his power blew up. Then in Endgame he lost that edge a little bit due to his state of mind. I think in Love & Thunder he'll become a lot more powerful as the movie will probably have some sort of element of him figuring out his issues much like how Iron Man 3 was the same way for Tony Stark.
The potential was always there but I don't think Thor himself even knows just how deep his own potential runs. If he can truly learn to tap into it, then he definitely has the potential to surpass his father. I just really hope they explore the Odinforce itself a lot more in the future.
Oooo i really love these talks on Odin and Hella's power levels. In my opinion Odin couldn't physically beat Hella. When he said her powers will become "limitless" once she gets to Asgard he's referring to her physical strength and regenerative capabilities. I mean she looked completely unbothered by getting impaled from behind in that one fight scene and had no signs of slowing down after being hit with a huge lightning bolt. I would go soo far as to say she probably got up just as quick if not quicker than Thanos when fighting cap w/mjolnir... But Odin most likely played off of his knowledge of dark magic with the help of his Queen... Together they used a spell that was out of Hella's expertise... But physically, I think Hella was the strongest Villain we've seen soo far. With the exception of Surtur. Which i would love to see a backstory of how Odin either tricked or beat Surtur the first time. Probably costs him a ton of good warriors.
Also, according to events in the MCU, it would appear that Spiderman is likely the third strongest Avenger behind Thor and Hulk. Evidence: In Winter Soldier, Bucky throws a punch at Cap who catches it on his shield and barely withstands the blow even then. In Ultron, Spiderman EASILY catches Bucky's punch with ONE HAND, and comments on how cool it is that it's a mechanical arm. In Infinity War, Cull Obsidian completely hammers Ironman in his new nano armor with his hammer-weapon. Again, Spiderman easily stops Culls weapon while making casual conversation with Stark. He also smacks a GLOVED Thanos around, something that Thor couldn't do to a gloveless Thanos. MCU really messed up the power levels on the characters. Thor can lift 100 tons, a weakened Thor at least five tons. Yet, when Thanos is pressing Stormbreaker into his chest Thor can't even lift him off the ground.
He just now has unlocked this well of power, but unlocking it and using it to its full potential are two different things. He is both close and far from his ultimate power cap
I believe Thor has more raw strength than Odin had in his prime. But Thor doesn’t have the thirst for knowledge and power like his father had in his youth which puts him at a major disadvantage.
The thing is Thor doesn't truly inherit the Bor/Odin/Thor force until he finds that it is with in him. Currently he only has his own innate power to call upon, which he still has yet to fully tap into. Once he does he will probably find that his father passed the ?force on to him as he realizes the difference between the two. That said Marvel most likely will recon this into something stupid saying that Thor's awakening and power level after Odin's death was due to inheriting the Odin force and the loss of his eye was the signifying factor that such a thing happened.
In the comics Odin knew from day one that Thor is more power than him that’s why Odin gave Mjollnir to Thor so he can control his powers and also he was the movie Thor Odin had Stormbreaker ready because Odin was far full of Thor turning bad and destroying the 9 realms (that’s sort of how Thor knew about Stormbreaker) and Thor is more powerful than Odin we haven’t seen it but we will
I don't think Thor is close to be as powerful as Oden only going off the movies so far but I hope they have something happen in Love and Thunder that changes that. Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man were all 3 getting their butts kicked by Thanos in Endgame and I believe at the peak of his power he could of defeated Thanos by himself. I hope the new Thor movie has him realizing he has the Oden Force or at least something has changed and can tell he's much more powerful. If they do have it in this movie I hope they explain exactly what the Oden Force is and how he got it. I'd hate to have to come on TH-cam after the movie has been released for awhile and have to watch someone's video that explains it with better details.
He didn’t use bifrost against thanos, he got manhandled in that fight, was one dimensional and always went for the head. He had a mental block becoming fat, lost strength, and couldn’t bring out his power to full potential
Hmm, the Odinforce passed to the next in line upon his death... Do you think that is how/why Thor could hold Nidevelir's aperture open and not get killed to death by the focused energy of a dying star? Would Avengers 1 Thor have been able to do it?
If you want a measurement of Thor power look at Chris Hemsworth physical shapes if you look at Chris in ragnorok he looked like he was is great shape and condition but if you look at him in sneak peaks of Thor love and thunder you notice he's in better condition than previously so if we use that metric that means that Thor's Prime hasn't been seen yet.
I understand you do not "directly" control close captioning...so PLEASE at least complain to TH-cam about how poor CC is for this clip! Deaf people will have NO idea what is happening.
I think he was talking about Thor's potential. In the comics thor surpasses Odin when he gains full access of the Odin force which becomes the Thor force when Thor gets it. I think thor doesn't have the Odin force yet but he will probably get it in the next movie.
As far as we know Odin should be able to do everything in the movies he can in the comics. We also know the MCU is loosely based on the Ultimates universe and the characters are, for the most part, slightly stronger than their earth 616 counterparts. So logic would dictate that Odin in the MCU is incredibly, incredibly, powerful.
@@Noah-sj5jm no. No I did not get that backwards. The MCU characters are modeled after the Ultimate universe characters, who are stronger than the main universe characters.
@@berzerkbankie1342 they’re not stronger than the main marvel universe characters. Go read secret wars. Main marvel universe slaps. Reed Richards is the only exception
All I gotta say rune king Thor is the strongest there is…the most powerful Asgardian ever…but in the MCU not so sure…haven’t seen much from Odin either…
BUT....Didn't Thor give up the throne at the end of End Game? Also, what makes Thor the "true heir" to the throne and NOT Hela? So, where does that leave your theory?
He already has stormbreaker, a weapon fit for a king! But Odin was too powerful, he was literally able to just speak to Mjolnir and enchant it so no one else could lift it, but if they do they have Thor’s power!! Basically Odin had the ability to bestow power to others so they too can summon lightning! Look at beta ray and cap!
I think Odin was saying that Thor has the potential to, and eventually will be, stronger than him and I think Oden also meant Thor is stronger in the sense that, by the time of Ragnorok, he doesn't want to conquer and war like Odin and Hela once did, but protect as Odin came to be
Well if you look at the comic books besides odin being his father his mother is the Phoenix and she is human And hes technically a bridge between humans and asgardians. But of course this is in the new comics.
No he’s not yet unless LOT changes that if he was stronger then odin he would have destroyed thanos in endgame. I wish they would of went a rune king thor storyline instead of jane storyline basically make thor the new odin in the MCU with all his godlike powers
I've yet to see where Thor acquired the Odinforce un the MCU. If he had it, he should have beaten Hela. Plus, if the Odinforce is so powerful, how did Loki overthrow Odin? Not sure Odinforce exists in MCU.
I wanna see Thor use level magic Odin is said to be able to use marvel has never showed us Odin use his powers and Thor has been held back by marvel Odin once teleported all of New York to asguard just to show he could and so many other feats
Odin was referring to Thor's potential because once the Odin forces came to be Thors he also had the knowledge and powers from the former kings alongside his natural powers a d with storm breaker as and enhancement weapons Thor very well may be the strongest king of Asgard
I think “Love and Thunder” is going to show an all new stronger Thor. Endgame was far from his full potential due to his state of mind. I think Thor could be stronger than Odin
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Yup I do think of thor becomes a full time king and obtains the odin force he will surpass odin, although I think the "you're stronger" quote wasnt literal
@@juanestebanrodriguez9057 it wasn't. Not in the sense of stronger in battle or more powerful. Thor has an ability to unit the Asgardians and keep Asgard from being destroyed, which Odin knows is going to happen.
Isnt love and Thunder about how Thor becomes unworthy again and then Jane become Thor or something
@@blackthunderhwd2225 I don't think he will go through that ark again, as he doesn't need to lift mjolnir to use his powers or storm breaker anyway
I think Odin was talking about Thor's emotional strength And not his physical strength. And that he views Thor a better Asgardian than he was. And that he was proud of him.
Nope, they were talking about power because that was thor's awakening. Thor was talking about how he could beat Hela, his popsy answered he is stronger talking about Thor's potential. That just means that at the very age of Thor, he was already impressive compared to his popsy. Popsy was refering to Thor's potential. He will become stronger than Allfather soon. :)
Also Thor becomes stronger than Odin once he becomes the sole owner of the Odinforce
in norse thor is by far more physically stronger
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Odin said “you’re stronger,” in regards to his ability to overcome and make good decisions, knowing he was going to need to destroy their home world in order to stop Hela, something Odin was not able to do, even though he knew it was the only real way to stop her as Hela is stronger than both of them and even an unpowered up Thanos.
I too always thought he was referring to the trials Thor had endured up to that point, while still remaining morally decent compared to Odin's other children Loki and Hella, and how Thor would realize he wasn't fighting to defend his home, but its people.
Wow...I dont think I could ever put it better than this, man. "You're stronger" referring to the decisions he would HAVE to confront. Such a great DIRECT point.
Wow it's amazing how ya interpreter make this bs to sastisfy your idea of what Odin meant. He meant he is stronger, the problem was that Thor had not realize it and grasp it. Don't try to twist it.
@@nckc8933 Well, my interpretation may not be as easy to see as yours and you’re more than welcome to disagree, but at least I can formulate my opinions with good English and grammar.
Odin is unaware of Thor’s Mystic Energy and even with it, Thor is not as powerful as Odin was at full power with Gungir. However, Thor has always been stronger as a person who is willing to do what it takes to save others out of selflessness and not greed or power, political or otherwise.
Thor and Odin go toe to toe and if you think Thor at full power (without his mystic strength or Axe) could even come close to Odin with Gungir at max strength, you’re out of your element and should read more about Odin. Odin is one of the most powerful entities in the Marvel Universe ever.
Admittedly, MCU is a little different though, so you’re point of view isn’t as crazy as it sounds.
Could just be words of encouragement too, but after all the conversations about “home.” From Odin and what makes home, I’m pretty sure some or all of my interpretation is pretty sound.
@@nckc8933 Comparatively, MCU Odin is far-less powerful than the "Norse Mythological" version.
That stated...regarding only the MCU version, are you willing to go as far as to suggest: Had Odin had been fighting Hela in Ragnarok...it would've resolved in the SAME manner?? Mind you now...we're talking about a Elder-god of whom even THANOS, wouldn't DARE step to.
according to the "Avengers Assemble" animated series, when the Avengers manage to convince Thanos to fight them and win with only one infinity stone at a time, Thor explains that age makes Asguardians more powerful. so if Thor is currently more powerful than Odin ever was, Thor will only become more and more powerful as time goes by. and in that short fight with Thanos, Thor even managed to overpower an infinity stone with Mjölnir, which does not actively enhance his power like Stormbreaker does, but only allows him to focus it.
I would really love to see the story about Odin before he became so powerful
there are literally hundreds of stories about Odin, quite possible that after Jesus and Mohammed he is the third most discussed god or godlike person
Thors entrance in IW is literally the most HYPE scene in all of cinema
I'd agree that it was the best hype scene in Infinity war but endgame's Avengers assemble was wayyy more hype.
@@bboyairrick nah
Until I see Thor beat Hela in hand to hand combat, he is weaker then Odin who was able to not only defeat his eldest child, but imprison her as well.
Skill wise Thor did beat Hela hand to hand, but Hela regeneration ability helped her winning in the end.
@@anouar3194 Surtur beat Hela.
I mean in Infinity War Thor threw Stormbreaker so hard that he could overpower an energy blast containing the energy of every infinity stone
I’m pretty sure that Thanos with the Infinity stones is stronger than Hela
@@tyrellturner5602 Did he defeat Thanos? Nope, did he defeat Hela? Nope. One good blow does not win a fight.
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The only reason Thanos survived is because he used his dying breath to warp reality so he could heal himself and escape
If you replaced Hella with Thanos then she wouldn’t have been able to survive that scenario
Not to mention that Thanos ( with the Infinity Gauntlet) is just stronger than Hela.
Thanos is stated to be capable of literally destroying and creating entire universes while in possession of the Gauntlet
Hela has no feats or statements to imply that she is capable of doing things like this
Well right now Thor doesn’t even know he has access to One of the most powerful forms of mystic energy in the MCU once he figures out how to harness it he will be able to do stuff like Odin did Thor is super close to being rune king Thor or that version of Thor that had Full access to the Odin Force and the Power cosmic 🙂
Lol Rune King Thor would be too powerful for the mcu - having power to the Odin force doesn't mean he's RKT. RKT has multiversal levels of power, I mean he killed 6 celestial like beings. But as I was saying, I dont think RKT will be introduced any time soon.
Wait wait wait I'm not goin that far this early I was just tellin my roommate bout Rune King Thor and I don't wanna say he's close, he had to understand the Odinforce and he gives up both eyes right, making it the Thorforce and going thru all he does to reach that level of power, idk if MCU can put him in that role this soon with little context if people dint know bout his comic feats and wat it took
@@Sennessence I don't think they should make him rune king thor any time soon. I mean, Thanos would not be able to stop RKT. There's so many powers of Thor untouched in the MCU like the fact that he kept up with silver surfer (pace), he lifted up earth with midguards serpant wrapped around and even went toe to toe with hercules in a arm wrestle and even Hercules couldn't beat him so they stopped as world's were being destroyed (strength), his reality warping abilities and so much more
they wont let him become rune king thor proper, that's universal threat level
@@mfagamer843 it’s not impossible they did introduce scarlet witch
Odin thru the “Odin sleep” lived tens of thousands of years
The fact that Odin always had the space stone leads me to believe they may have studied it and created the rainbow Bridge using the space stone
That would be cool
Hate to break it to you but the rainbow bridge and the bifrost are powered by the odin force
@@youngaestheticz7191 that still doesn't debunk the theory
They might have used the space stone and combines it with the odinforce
Na it's the Odin force and Asgardian mystical magics, Stormbreaker creates its own Bifrost because of the same energies. It's nothing to do with the space stone
Remember beginning of Infinity War Heimdall asks for the All Fathers to let the dark energy flow through him one last time. So yeah it probably is something not related to the Space Stone
Perhaps Thor may become as strong as Odin someday, but it's really a moot point. While the current writers that control the MCU remain in charge, Thor will take a backseat to CM and the other heroes that check the right boxes.
oh you mean like padm...i mean jane becoming thor for woman power?
True, or they get around this by putting Thor into one of their woke boxes.
@@marksimmons5839 jane (natalie portman) is becoming thor and getting his powers in the movie thor love and thunder. its already a thing and a fail.
@@willclark4449 Right I know...
These new writers absolutely suck.
I've always been under the impression Asgardians got more powerful with age.
Somewhat like a Viltrumite
They do, thor at this stage is not even close in terms of feat and power compared to odin... We saw odin feats in the movies and we saw him hold mjonir and heimdall sword like they were nothing. And we also saw hela didn't even try to come back until odin was dead. The author of this video making a video without much knowledge
oh dang, classic loki too. wonder how powerful mcu thor is gonna get one day.
@@Cyrus-rodn45 Hela COULDN'T come back until Odin had died because of the spell he cast to contain her. You seem to be commenting without much knowledge.
@@MikeShabs odin was getting weaker and he couldn't contain her. When he died she came back. Guess u wanted to disprove me as not knowledgeable by basically saying the same thing in a different way 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would love to see some prequels on Odin’s previous adventures
I think Odin’s “you’re stronger” to Thor is less about actual strength and more about the will to do what is right and or necessary for the greater good to be achieved. Thor didn’t lose to Thanos because he’s weaker, he lost because for a second he let his arrogance take control again, he had to let Thanos know that he beat him as opposed to just finishing the job. This combined with the fall off in Endgame creates even more room for growth for Thor, that’s why i think in Love & Thunder he will reach an insane level, even past the one from Infinity War. So yeah, i do think that MCU Thor will surpass MCU Odin.
You may be right. In his younger years, Odin was a evil monster of a man. He loved only fighting, death and carnage. But unlike Hella(or Hel, with one l, that her real name is), he over the years gained the wisdom to see the error of his ways, and chose a different path. Looking at that, Thor is way ahead of Odin. Yes he is at times incredibly arrogant, and loves violence. But he already has honor and a sense of right and wrong. He has already realized the responsibility his powers lays on him. Finally he has made that personal choice to fight to protect those that can not protect themselves. In many ways, Young Thor is the Shining star to Young Odin's Black Hole.
No he meant stronger physically because Odin never flew around with mjolnir and coursed lighting and fought like Thor. Thor is a more fierce warrior than Odin because Odin was more busy with his job of leading the Kingdom while Thor was more busy training his muscles and his combat arts. Thor is literally stronger. His mother was chosen specifically for her power as a God as Odin new her child would be more powerful than him. So Thor is stronger.
@@TechVibeReviews1 You are talking about Odin in his older days, after he sacrificed his eye for wisdom. in his youth Odin was a savage war hungry bastard. He lived for the fight, for the death of his enemies. At that point in time at the pinnacle of his physical strength, he was stronger than the Thor we see in the movies. But Thor is still quite young for a Asgardian, and clearly has the potential to become much more powerful than Odin. But remember, from the comics, we know that Odin once Knocked out Galactus with one punch. And that was old Odin.
I don't think he is more powerful than Odin yet! 🤷
In the MCU he is, Odin was already old and way weaker because of his old age. After Odin died Thor's power has blown up
I guess in his prime Odin would probably be stronger
Yeah the Russo Brothers said themselves he isn't at his full potential and he will be getting stronger in the next up coming movie in love and thunder
@@Ramonnnn Wayyyy stronger... for the moment
Thor not stronger than pops yet. He's getting close though. Love and Thunder I think we'll see Thor finally at his true power and surpass pops.
Odin was much much, much much older and hence had much more experience added to his Odin force. Thor will get there!
I think Odin was really saying that Thor currently wields the same amount of power that Odin held after his (Odin's) many years of battle experience. What remains is untapped power that Thor will harness in time making him even more powerful that Odin himself. If Thor had Odin's knowledge and battle experience, Thanos would have hid from Thor just as he was hiding from Odin. Thanos only made his move for the stones after Odin died knowing that Odin would have wiped the floor with him.
Nah ,not yet . U can easily tell by all Odin's done Thor has a long way to go. He had to be speaking on his potential...
Honestly, I believe that Thor will eventually match Odin and maybe even be stronger over time
I want to see loki get gungnir to channel his magic through and of course control the destroyer which probably survived.
While it was left on asgard the fact it was an apocalypse event he should be able to go get it as shown in the loki show.
destroyer destroyed by thor. that why hydull called thor destroyer. but hammer and shields what ever seem drop main branch time line like rain. ya maybe loki get that like said but think alternate reality destroyer. or use prim parties they go branch reality pick un broken one up. did have theory that red skull peace gungnir spear and destroyed destroyer thought end with hydra who new zolafies room cap and winter solder. so seem left of destroyer arms and legs makes sense tv face would make it into body both red skull and Arron zolofie try harness power gods witch asgurdians. make long story short loki take peace spear from red skull arms and legs listen him as know king or (queen) of asgurd as married to valrkie. who has real power rule asgurd but loki as son odion what give power Marrieage. witch loki agreed none of this. odin said let destroy asgurd again.
Some of the achievements Thor has in the comics is truly insane making him equally insane in power. To anyone, check out “Thor the End father”.
The only differene between Odin force Thor and Odin is knowledge. Odin was wiser and studied potential enemies more.
I like Odin's question "Are you thor God of hammers😂😂😂it was one of the most inspirational quotes ever
Because he’s the chosen one!! ⚡️
But what about Hela? Is she more powerful than Odin too? I asked this because she easily overpowered Thor and that led to the decision to unleash Surtur to destroy Asgard.
Of course... Marvel's foreshadowing is insanely spot on. And since he said "You're stronger" and i doubt we've seen him "stronger" yet. Remember Odin banished Hella for most of if not just about all of Thor's life that would indicate we have to see feats on par with that one in order to see him as "stronger"
Gods from Nordic mythology, become stronger the older they get, so wait 500 years, you will really see how strong Thor is.
In raw potential power inside him, yes. Whether he realizes that power fully in his current state... heavily debatable.
He will realize and awaken his full potential, there is a reason the play that part in the story line.
Comic Thor is already stronger than Odin and I have no doubt they put in the condition of bean out of his state of mind to weaken him in Endgame. But now he has to face Gor...
Wasn't Hela alive when Oden died then wouldn't the Odin force go to her first, as the first born ?
Well, he said passed down to the kings
I believe Thor's power is at an extraordinary level. Remember, when Thor talks with the Odin's spirit, Odin says that Thor is more powerful than him in the present tense. Then we see Thor exercise his power to manipulate thunder to strike down Hela in all her hubris. I'm sure that the members of The Marvelous Wave know this but in the Marvel comic book story arcs, which are light years ahead of the MCU, have Thor losing just not one, but both eyes to increase his sight and power exponentially. Thank you for another awesome video!
no he doesn't say he is more powerful. He says hes stronger to motivate him. Use your brain
@@naeemislam1105 Hello! Remember, strength and power are synonyms. Sure Odin wants to motivate his son for the sake of good but he is also telling the truth. Thor's power increases over time as he continues to grow as a god but also spiritually.
I think if in thor love and thunder thor face gorr the God butcher he might became or start his journey towards becoming rune king thor so if he's got the odin force plus that of rune king thor power he would be pretty much above odin's level by a lot meaning he can kill celestial. And I strongly believe that since mcu made scarlet witch so powerful they wouldn't leave the mcu unbalanced so rune king thor might be happening in the mcu plus the celestials are introduced so we have yet to see.
2:53 Odin was NOT in his prime when he made that claim, he was getting ready to DIE. That would be a far cry from being in his Prime.
But Asgardians get more powerful as they age...
@@mattdowds8505 right that had an episode on the show where Thanos used the timestone on Thor and he got insanely strong
@@mattdowds8505 What part of he was about to DIE, aren't you getting?
Thor eventually becomes a Herald of Galactus. So not only was he as powerful and eventually more powerful than Odin (although less experienced with said Odin/Thor force), he then had the power cosmic to wield.
Reading that gave me cancer
That’s comic Thor not mcu thor but yea I’m liking Donny cates Thor’s
@@tjsdapimp reading is dangerous for some.
He is now just King Thor. But he is defenately strong
We need a Odin stand alone show. Of course Anthony Hopkins probably doesn't want to play Odin anymore. But the sometime can play a younger Odin.
You gotta wonder in Love and Thunder does Thor have rune magic like the Rune King Thor in the comics
I think he has one more awakening before he’s at the old All-Father’s level
Could you do a video on how strong was Odin when he was in his prime?
The Odinforce in Ragnorak was confusing. When Odin passed on, the force became Hela's as she was his first born. This is why Thor and Loki had to give Serta the power of the eternal flame in order to defeat her. Once she was defeated by Serta, the Odinforce became Thor's. He couldn't tap into it until he got his hands on Stormbreaker, which is why his power blew up. Then in Endgame he lost that edge a little bit due to his state of mind.
I think in Love & Thunder he'll become a lot more powerful as the movie will probably have some sort of element of him figuring out his issues much like how Iron Man 3 was the same way for Tony Stark.
I wonder if we get to see Thor’s magic belt that was mentioned in Homecoming…🤔
Thor's power resides with his confidence in his abilities.
The potential was always there but I don't think Thor himself even knows just how deep his own potential runs. If he can truly learn to tap into it, then he definitely has the potential to surpass his father. I just really hope they explore the Odinforce itself a lot more in the future.
Oooo i really love these talks on Odin and Hella's power levels. In my opinion Odin couldn't physically beat Hella. When he said her powers will become "limitless" once she gets to Asgard he's referring to her physical strength and regenerative capabilities. I mean she looked completely unbothered by getting impaled from behind in that one fight scene and had no signs of slowing down after being hit with a huge lightning bolt. I would go soo far as to say she probably got up just as quick if not quicker than Thanos when fighting cap w/mjolnir... But Odin most likely played off of his knowledge of dark magic with the help of his Queen... Together they used a spell that was out of Hella's expertise... But physically, I think Hella was the strongest Villain we've seen soo far. With the exception of Surtur. Which i would love to see a backstory of how Odin either tricked or beat Surtur the first time. Probably costs him a ton of good warriors.
Also, according to events in the MCU, it would appear that Spiderman is likely the third strongest Avenger behind Thor and Hulk. Evidence:
In Winter Soldier, Bucky throws a punch at Cap who catches it on his shield and barely withstands the blow even then. In Ultron, Spiderman EASILY catches Bucky's punch with ONE HAND, and comments on how cool it is that it's a mechanical arm. In Infinity War, Cull Obsidian completely hammers Ironman in his new nano armor with his hammer-weapon. Again, Spiderman easily stops Culls weapon while making casual conversation with Stark. He also smacks a GLOVED Thanos around, something that Thor couldn't do to a gloveless Thanos.
MCU really messed up the power levels on the characters. Thor can lift 100 tons, a weakened Thor at least five tons. Yet, when Thanos is pressing Stormbreaker into his chest Thor can't even lift him off the ground.
Man love your vids!
I think Thor might be more powerful, but in a prime v prime fight, Odin's experience may get him the win
He just now has unlocked this well of power, but unlocking it and using it to its full potential are two different things. He is both close and far from his ultimate power cap
now this question becomes way more interesting when we account that odin was likely a infinity stone collector at one point in his prime
I believe Thor has more raw strength than Odin had in his prime. But Thor doesn’t have the thirst for knowledge and power like his father had in his youth which puts him at a major disadvantage.
The thing is Thor doesn't truly inherit the Bor/Odin/Thor force until he finds that it is with in him. Currently he only has his own innate power to call upon, which he still has yet to fully tap into. Once he does he will probably find that his father passed the ?force on to him as he realizes the difference between the two. That said Marvel most likely will recon this into something stupid saying that Thor's awakening and power level after Odin's death was due to inheriting the Odin force and the loss of his eye was the signifying factor that such a thing happened.
In the comics Odin knew from day one that Thor is more power than him that’s why Odin gave Mjollnir to Thor so he can control his powers and also he was the movie Thor Odin had Stormbreaker ready because Odin was far full of Thor turning bad and destroying the 9 realms (that’s sort of how Thor knew about Stormbreaker) and Thor is more powerful than Odin we haven’t seen it but we will
Good video so far.
FINALLY THIS TOPIC IS TALKED ABOUT!!
I really think we'll see an Old King Thor one day on screen and then he will truly be the strongest Avenger, even though I think he is already.
At that Level he is no longer the "stronger" avenger because he would be so OP it won't even be a question.
I think Hulk is strongest there is, but Thor is most powerful.
Give us an MCU Thor that has Odin Force with Rune King added = acted by Chris Hemsworth!
I don't think Thor is close to be as powerful as Oden only going off the movies so far but I hope they have something happen in Love and Thunder that changes that. Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man were all 3 getting their butts kicked by Thanos in Endgame and I believe at the peak of his power he could of defeated Thanos by himself. I hope the new Thor movie has him realizing he has the Oden Force or at least something has changed and can tell he's much more powerful. If they do have it in this movie I hope they explain exactly what the Oden Force is and how he got it. I'd hate to have to come on TH-cam after the movie has been released for awhile and have to watch someone's video that explains it with better details.
He didn’t use bifrost against thanos, he got manhandled in that fight, was one dimensional and always went for the head. He had a mental block becoming fat, lost strength, and couldn’t bring out his power to full potential
I kinda dissagree with this since if Odin are younger and use his full “Odin force” power he is nearly strong as the six infinity stones sooooooo
*flashback to Thor overpowerering infinity gauntlet thanos..* xD
One can never DO more than his MASTER.
We still haven’t seen Thor’s full power and I’m telling u his going to be more powerful than scarlet witch
I don't think so
Why didn’t anyone point out the horns and wings on Odis helmet loki got horns and Thor the wings it’s quite nice
Thor won't eclipse Odin until he finally realizes he is the king of asguard. Takes hi place on the throne.
Hmm, the Odinforce passed to the next in line upon his death... Do you think that is how/why Thor could hold Nidevelir's aperture open and not get killed to death by the focused energy of a dying star? Would Avengers 1 Thor have been able to do it?
Maybe when Thor gets some of that old man strength.
Where in the MCU did it ever say Thor got the odin force or even mentioned anything about the odin force?
Can thor make magic spell like odin did to his hammer?
Have the odin-force a vill of its own to selekt the new king of the åskardiens?
If you want a measurement of Thor power look at Chris Hemsworth physical shapes if you look at Chris in ragnorok he looked like he was is great shape and condition but if you look at him in sneak peaks of Thor love and thunder you notice he's in better condition than previously so if we use that metric that means that Thor's Prime hasn't been seen yet.
I understand you do not "directly" control close captioning...so PLEASE at least complain to TH-cam about how poor CC is for this clip! Deaf people will have NO idea what is happening.
Runes Thor was a complete badass and god among gods. Thus, we ain't even seen the tip of the iceberg
Gungneer. Is the spear of Odin. GUNG-,NEAR. is how it is spoken
I think we're going to see some very cool stuff from Thor
I think he was talking about Thor's potential. In the comics thor surpasses Odin when he gains full access of the Odin force which becomes the Thor force when Thor gets it. I think thor doesn't have the Odin force yet but he will probably get it in the next movie.
I didn’t think it was close. Odin for sure. He was being a good dad and not wanting to see his son lose.
As far as we know Odin should be able to do everything in the movies he can in the comics. We also know the MCU is loosely based on the Ultimates universe and the characters are, for the most part, slightly stronger than their earth 616 counterparts.
So logic would dictate that Odin in the MCU is incredibly, incredibly, powerful.
You got that backwards. 616 characters are more powerful all the way across the board
@@Noah-sj5jm no. No I did not get that backwards. The MCU characters are modeled after the Ultimate universe characters, who are stronger than the main universe characters.
@@berzerkbankie1342 they’re not stronger than the main marvel universe characters. Go read secret wars. Main marvel universe slaps. Reed Richards is the only exception
All I gotta say rune king Thor is the strongest there is…the most powerful Asgardian ever…but in the MCU not so sure…haven’t seen much from Odin either…
Depends on the versions of Thor we get in the future. He may lose stormbreaker if Beta Ray Bill gets introduced inMCU
If thor ever passes down his power and trone , will they then call it the thor force instead of the odin force
It is every parents goal and ambition to see their children become greater people than they were. Or at least it should be.
Oden Force transfers to Thor and becomes known as…. The Thorce !
BUT....Didn't Thor give up the throne at the end of End Game? Also, what makes Thor the "true heir" to the throne and NOT Hela?
So, where does that leave your theory?
Now that Thor has the "Odin Force" will he need to regenerate as Odin did from time to time?
I hope we get to see the same thor we saw in thor ragnarok ones again in next movie
He already has stormbreaker, a weapon fit for a king! But Odin was too powerful, he was literally able to just speak to Mjolnir and enchant it so no one else could lift it, but if they do they have Thor’s power!! Basically Odin had the ability to bestow power to others so they too can summon lightning! Look at beta ray and cap!
Thor is going to be shown to be suuupppeeerrrrr powerful bro... I hope!
Is it Possible Odin new Loki was faking his death & that he pretended to be a Guard & Let Loki take over as King.
I wanna see a kinda Thor prequel where we can see Odin in his prime on screen in the MCU i think that would be insane
With the multiverse wars we may get to see them face off with each other
I will believe that he is this powerful when I see him killing Hela while she holds all of the Infinity Stones.
The son always becomes stronger than the father but the son is nothing without the father raising him up.
Thats why thanos never came to collect the stones while Odin was still alive.
I think Odin was saying that Thor has the potential to, and eventually will be, stronger than him and I think Oden also meant Thor is stronger in the sense that, by the time of Ragnorok, he doesn't want to conquer and war like Odin and Hela once did, but protect as Odin came to be
Now say it with me
Gung-nir gung nir
Well if you look at the comic books besides odin being his father his mother is the Phoenix and she is human And hes technically a bridge between humans and asgardians. But of course this is in the new comics.
No he’s not yet unless LOT changes that if he was stronger then odin he would have destroyed thanos in endgame. I wish they would of went a rune king thor storyline instead of jane storyline basically make thor the new odin in the MCU with all his godlike powers
I've yet to see where Thor acquired the Odinforce un the MCU. If he had it, he should have beaten Hela. Plus, if the Odinforce is so powerful, how did Loki overthrow Odin? Not sure Odinforce exists in MCU.
Odin allowed him to over power him for the reason he wanted brothers to re unite
I saw something claiming Odin was 300,000 years old
I wanna see Thor use level magic Odin is said to be able to use marvel has never showed us Odin use his powers and Thor has been held back by marvel Odin once teleported all of New York to asguard just to show he could and so many other feats
Odin was referring to Thor's potential because once the Odin forces came to be Thors he also had the knowledge and powers from the former kings alongside his natural powers a d with storm breaker as and enhancement weapons Thor very well may be the strongest king of Asgard
Odin has given knowledge to the first scorcerer supreme about magic he knew aggomotto
So is the MCU going to go by Gaia as his mother or will his mother be revealed to be the Phoenix?