@@songvumailshe was the first limited harmony though and her kit was very unique. She didn’t power creep anyone but she did start “Honkai support rail”
Hsr did Sparkle dirty bruh... Sparkle is meant to use with sp hungry teams but the only sp hungry characters are DHIL and QQ and they never released another sp hungry character and both of them had fallen off... I can't believe they just completely forgot about this consuming more sp for enchanced skill thing... But I think Sparkle's potential is still there
dont trip about it so much im sure we will get multiple sp-hungry units in the future. might be awhile but there's no way they throw her away completely for the rest of the game's existence
The problem is Sunday is more sp efficient than sparkle. So even if we get sp dps, Sunday will be better. There’s no world where sparkle makes a comeback. She would need a quantum dps who specifically is sp hungry, and scales of other quantum, and even then idk
Prydwen should honestly just start doing a 2nd tier list for s1, and special ratings for major eidolons like e1, e2, e6 and some e4s on both s0 and s1 tier lists.
I agree with this. They have “include eidolons” but there’s a massive difference between e2 Acheron and e6 Acheron and that won’t be accounted for. It just shows “with eidolons”. Would be really interesting to see.
you’ve clearly seen the Aglaea “dreams”, im excited, idc that it will power creep JY again either. im enjoying the boost he got, its like LL was driving the speed limit and then Sunday turns on a rocket booster it is so satisfying
@@omensoffate Cause saying the L word here is actually bannable by Pokke's channel managers, and you will disappear among the sea of butterflies if you tried that on Pokke's Discord.
Honestly lightning might be the easiest powercrept element in HSR to be honest. First we got JY, then kafka powercrept JY, then acheron powercrept both of them and soon aglaea gonna powercrept all of them soon. Even to this day lightning element has the most limited 5* dps.
Ngl, HuoHuo holds more value now than in the last patch considering her ult charge is massive for the Halo Twin (Sunday and Robin Hypercarry) team comp. Edit: He addressed it already.
Yet prydwen still dropped her. Its true that you are probably not playing her with Feixiao, Firefly or Rappa but dropping her to T1 in any mode besides Apoc Shadows is crazy
@@LucasGomes-ng2go Im gonna assume they'll raise her value up once we get more Remembrance Characters, because they are (allegedly) going to make strong dps characters charge ult regularly. I imagine the HuoHuo/Halo Twins will be a staple Hypercarry engine in the future.
Well for dhil he was always as strong as jingliu if not more when she released. The only thing that made him weaker in people's eyes was his sp consumption. Jingliu was just much easier to build and use at the time while also being flexible with supports.
sunday not being in t0 bc his potential will be even higher is kind of a really dumb reason when even without summoners, his buffs are so ridiculously overloaded
His potential is high. His value now is not that high because only one char can utilise him very well and this char still is not meta. Tier list made for now, not about potential, so it is fair to not place him at t0 now. He is better than sparkle and bronya for hypercarry now, so he is higher, but meta defines and there is no e0s0 meta hypercarry for now who can use Sunday.
We're talking about the present situation, not the future leaks. That's why they making wacthlist between these current unit like JY, Rappa and Sunday for now.
@@Kaien-qf6crrememberance path character got crazy energy more than 200+ Her ult =20%max energy is insane Maybe in the future we got better sustain for remembrance but for now huohuo is the goat😂
I think it's far too obvious Prydwen does not make tier lists with E0S0 characters in mind, they say all of them are E0S0 but for the love of god how the hell is Bronya the same tier as Sparkle and just one tier below Sunday at E0S0? How is Rappa TWO TIERS below Firefly and one below Boothill?? And it goes on and on with the inconsistency.
Before sunday dropped, I saw a lot of people saying he'll be powercrept in 3.0 like sparkle so they're skipping him and waiting for "the better support". I'm here to tell you: no there will not be. He is more akin to Ruan Mei and Robin in terms of archetype, meaning he will likely be the only one of his kind for a long time. If you want to play summons, pull him, or plan for his rerun. Because you're not getting another one.
He only works for hypercarry but Ruan and Robin can be slotted in as a second harmony for hypercarry and work in more than 1 team. This is the thing people are likely referring to.
@@ladyhdwastaken No, he does not only work for hypercarry. It's leak information so I'm refraining from saying a ton, but Remembrance characters are not hypercarry.
@@daijoubun6648his buffs are amazing, don’t get me wrong, but his entire kit is dedicated to hypercarry and to say otherwise is slightly cope. He only benefits one character. Yeah he can advance a unit and their summon that isn’t the hypercarry but at that point just use Robin since she advances everyone.
Is it just me or is Ratio not really as bad as pokke makes him out to be ? I still use Acheron, Clara and Ratio and i would say at least Ratio E0S0 is closer in power level to E0S1 Acheron than he is Clara E0S1(Yunli LC), i managed to do a 4cycle with him hypercarry on 1st half when its off element and one of the enemies is img res, i would say thats impressive for a 1.x unit in that regard, this new MoC proved to me that Acheron should be a T0 unit since any time there's 3+ enemies present ( which has been almost every MoC ever ) on either side she stomps, i feel like the only reason her performance drops in the data is because not many people pulled JQ dragging her actual performance down.
Ngl if ur e0s0 ratios dmg or clear speed is comparable to your e0 s1 acheron you either don't have 2 good debuffers e.g. sw and jq or pela and sw/jq or your acheron is badly built
The problem is it’s expensive. You need jq, his lightcone, and Acheron’s lightcone. For similar investment, you could just go Feixiao, Yunli, and now new remembrance dps. So I think for new players Acheron is not recommended. Most likely Aglaea will powercreep Acheron in lightning
Ratio is indeed closer to Acheron then Clara. That said, you need to have him (and his team) cracked for him to be comparable to stronger dps. At this point tho, a lot of it comes down to team strength. Its not just the carry that needs to be invested now, its also the rest of the team and needs to be strong.
The fact that HMC never received her well deserved T0 spot genuinely annoys me. It shows a clear bias against Super Break meta even though shes LITERALLY the only reason it exists currently until Fugues release Almost a full year of Super Break Meta in T0 and they never moved her into that slot is some bs
HMC doesn't deserve t0 though bc there not as flexible as ruan mei and Robin, who are always top 3 best supp in every team besides like 1 team each. While hmc is needed pretty much for superbreak but only superbreak. Flexibility is important for support more then any role bc it leads to them being so much better the more flexible they are
@Glizzyman not as flexible? Seriously xD Bro they legit created a meta single handedly AND have the fastest Ult recharge making DDD a pseudo Robin. They also made Super Break Himeko, Blade actually viable
@@NiaTheMilkTank that doesnt mean their flexible, i literally agreed with you that there needed for superbreak but they just dont work in every other comp unlike robin and ruan mei who are first and second best slot in 99% of teams. A psuedo robin in break teams only, every other comp hes not close to robin or ruan mei, hes closer to sunday rn then robin or ruan mei
@Glizzyman "break teams only" You do realize me mentioning blade is specifically just to prove that ANY character can have a Super Break comp right? She's just that amazing Now once Fugue comes out I expect hmc to stay at T 0.5 (S) and thats because she's Harmony (DDD)
@NiaTheMilkTank for most teams it's not as good as just running Robin and Sunday or ruan mei, anyone can run superbreak but it's not the best comp for most characters. The only ones that changed to superbreak is sometimes blade but now that Sunday came out you can run blade with him, and Jade there's obv himeko but that's really the only one that got an upgrade from superbreak, unless I'm missing someone. I see them staying in 0.5 as well, along with fugue since there's not much of a difference between the two unless your using boothill or rappa
What do you expect from any acheron glazers lol, they act like acheron isn't prone to powercreep and they cope by waiting for another "acheron support"😂
Honestly they need to give Tier 0 to 3 characters at this point. Sunday is definitely on the same level as Mei and Robin. Just like Huo Huo being as strong as Aventurine and Lingsha. All 6 of them are best in slot in the best meta teams right now and upcoming, with break, follow up and Servants
When they say a character has room to grow that almost always means they’ve seen leaks, and plan on bumping up when that char comes out. He’s guaranteed to be t0 when Ag releases. They for sure have seen how they work together.
It's because Firefly still has a good f2p lightcone (On the fall of an Aeon) while Boothills next best f2p option is a 3 star lightcone or the Moze 4 star gacha lightcone. But I get your point about pokke talking bad about him since Boothill is still good even without a lightcone.
I mean at E0S0 Firefly is still way better because she has an actual f2p LC and the enemies don't care about boothill mechanics. I never had an issue with her SP besides PF xD
Boothill better, because he is a boss killer and the bleed scales with hp. So the fatter the bosses get, boothill scales. Whereas firefly can be replaced by so many units
Might be a hot take so someone can call me out on my bs if I’m wrong, but I feel like Sunday narrows the gap between 1.x and 2.x DPS by quite a solid amount since most of them are hypercarry. In a way it’s combating power creep Also no idea why they moved Jingliu down, she works so well with Sunday
How is Sunday + Jing Yuan not similar to Acheron + Jiaoqiu? Both DPAV calculations and showcases put them in a level playing field at most levels of investment. Sure, JY is going to get powercrept by Aglaea but it's the same case for Acheron; hell JY will probably age better in the short to medium term since he will probably use the mechanics of characters/buffs better (than Acheron) during 3.X
As a Jing Yuan main from the day the man got released, THANK HOYO FOR SUNDAY. I'm gonna enjoy all the Jing Yuan content for now until he'll be pulled down in the tierlist again by the upcoming, much stronger remembrance character. LMAO! I will _never_ stop maining him tho! As long as I can clear with him, this game is fine for me.
moving JY down a tier because he will get directly pc’d again isnt a good mentality imo. its up to everyone to do their own due diligence to not fall for hype. if thats the case everyone will get pc’d eventually anyways so just remove T0
Tbh… if you need to study a game, it’s not a very good game in design… and probably just a sign to quit I mean, there are wiki games… then there’s this which is studying the power creep of units to determine who to pull which is the main point of the game and people ain’t playing games just to study. The core gacha system is inherently just bad, it’s only held up by addiction.
@@thederp9309thats true, the way you put it is a good mentality for gacha. I do like looking for tips for rpgs but the focal point then would be to trust the content creator. i dont trust any fully but I definitely avoid the pure shills
its funny how many ppl dont realize it when saying the same shit as "moving JY down a tier because he will get directly pc’d ", if u move JY down, u move acheron down as well, since he deals about acheron levels of dmg per cycle on average with the advent of sunday.
the fact jing yuan is t0 but sunday(a support that makes jy relevant) is not t0. jing yuan NEEDS him he desperately needs him but sunday can work in any crit scaling team and even lingsha super break carry
Seeing one of favourite characters being power crept so badly makes me sad. I think that hoyoverse really have to address these power creep issues, hopefully like a change or update to a characters kit. Some of their animations could use some updating too.
hold up does ur acheroon have E2S1 or is she E0S1 like mine, or do ur supports have S1 and eidolons? cause i have a E0S1 acheron and she deals around 1.8 million against 5 enemies
20:24 that is not what that chart is saying. Of the people who use DHIL in endgame content, 52% have E2 DHIL, but the dataset of people who are clearing with DHIL is obviously going to be massively biased towards people who have his absurdly strong eidolon. E2 DHIL havers are still absolutely in the minority, it's just that E0 DHIL havers aren't using him anymore.
Probably the worst timing to drop huohuo. Sunday and huohuo literally go so well together. Even if you wanted to put her there, i would drop fuxuan. I trued using her with s1 sunday, jingyuan, robin team and she just felt so shit to use since she generates so much less sp compared to luocha, ghall or aven whilst providing less utility conpared to huohuo lingsha.
quite frankly they could double the damage, healing, even some of the buffs or debuffs the 1.x characters have and they would still be below 2.x characters let alone the 3.x characters coming . wish they would honestly, since the pwoer creep is much more prevalent in HSR than genshin.
No ice weakness but wind weakness everywhere is one factor. Playing off element does make a difference. Another thing is Prydwen tier list is a lot of bias (some is data driven but mostly bias 😂)
I have e1s1 jingliu. I pulled e0s0 sunday. Using bronyas lightcone, I was able to 0 cycle moc 11 (ice side), my 1st 0 cycle since 1.x patches with jingliu. It was ok my first try too. Not sure who else would be the premier ice dps as of now, she deserves same tier as dhil and Clara, t1 is fine
So we can mention that Fugue will Buff Rappa but not boothill? If anything Boothill will get a better increase than Rappa for fugue he definitely doesn’t need to be thrown down if anything he might go up with fugues release
BLADE IS HIGHER THAN JINGLIU??? Don't get me wrong I love Blade he was the reason I started the game and whatnot but literally with Sunday Jingliu could've AT LEAST remained in T1.5 in my opinion
I think it's because this list is e0s0, and because Jingliu really does genuinely suck in this specific moc 12 rotation. I mean look at both sides, Blade is better in both. Svarog is wind weak, and Jingliu is poor against the tv boss, blade can still hang onto a jade team to clear that
@@MJAY552I agree. I have jingliu and I will break her out when I need an ice dps but let’s be real when do we need an ice dps outside of small Herta in pf? She cleared with 3600 points when we had aventurine in apocalyptic shadow (e0s0 but my Bronya is e6 and highly invested) which is honestly a viable as hell score considering the only harmony was bronya.
They're just copy pasting their data from the last 3 MoCs, this tier list is pointless, they haven't tested anything outside of the couple of meta teams they use during their casual play.
Fun fact, in a team where ur main dps has an unbalanced crit ratio like about 40 crit rate and 240 crit dmg, sunday outperforms robin :skull, just put them together and witness cinema
True in some cases she really slap like in the Side 2 against the TV. If Hoyo keep making an AOE side in MoC she should obviously go up in the tierlist if Prydewen is truly fair
I am still waiting for dot meta after a year of saving and losing i finally built a 5 star dot team and the meta shifted to superbreak and when i built a superbreak team the meta is going towards summon meta like wth man it's just a constant state of chasing the new meta
With the multiple enemies arranged in two rows coming in 3.x, Lingsha's value as an "Erudition" healer will only rise. It's one of the reasons I got her to E1.
@@daitoushoutouI don’t need another sustain on my account but if she does end up being BIS for Therta I may pull her (I think Huohuo is actually really good for her too and I have e1 Huohuo so hopefully I’m good) I have literally every other limited sustain 😂
I really wonder how big Fugue will be for the Break DPS as we got to play with her for a bit in this most recent story and Man Boothill getting 3 trickshots off 1 mob or Rappa getting 2x charge from her ult feels insane
Yeah I tried her with my e2 ff but cut out HMC and it felt really meh with firefly. I will try her with rappa on my f2p account and I have a feeling they will be so good together
The only counter I have to Pokke's argument about them releasing a DPS with 1000 Energy, what's stopping them from releasing a better Huohuo that summons something that intrinsically increases energy regeneration. I'm thinking similar to Gallagher's and Luocha's ULT where its a permanent energy regen buff as long as that summon is on the field. Everything else can be healing and more buffs like atk.
I'm really not worried about a big falloff for Super Break. DoT never got a dedicated sustain, and never got a dedicated support, so it was always just using supports and sustains that were explicitly designed for other team comps where you get to take advantage of all the buffs they provide, rather than just a piece of their kits. Its ceiling was much lower than Break. Super Break and Follow Up have a lot of long-term legs because they've designed so many different characters explicitly for that playstyle. DoT basically got 2/4ths of a team, in total, ever, expressly designed for it.
Xueyi is very niche but I wouldn’t call her mid at all. She takes advantage of everything they’re shilling. You just wouldn’t run her outside of quantum weak floors 🤷♀️ Jade is a god in PF and amazing in AS.
The fact that I am sustaining myself with IL and Jing Yuan as DPS until now without pulling for any DPS throughout 2.0. I am really happy with Sunday release.
Yeah I got a feeling things are gonna focus more on multi targeted damage and pushing erudition units considering Herta as the first big name to drop for 3.0.
Yeah her e2 is amazing but as an e0 sparkle haver her kit still feels a little incomplete and not worth running over my e6 Bronya outside of sp hungry teams sad😢
@ladyhdwastaken It feels bad that at e0 s0 she doesn't feel as good because at e2 s1 she is one of the best harmony units. She scales pretty hard with her eidelions and supports the whole team. She never left my Acheron team so she still has that niche for me
Sunday did not ruin the meta, he is the calm before the storm, he is what is to come for the summon meta. he is what buried the dot meta and sealed it's fate, never to see the light of day again until 5.0
Jing Yuan is more T0 in the new PF that's coming. In this DOT one, it's difficult for many or maybe i suck ass. I just got 30k with it but I don't have HuoHuo lol
@@nissonga6594 I got 40k out of it on 2nd side JY/Sunday/buhbin/Huohuo Pokke also tried it yesterday but he got unlucky AF and got CC'd (DoT PF advancing enemies to squeeze between JY and LL after Sunday AV).
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't even take Argenti into account. Huohuo, Sunday, Robin or Tingyun, and Argenti is absolutely insane. You don't even need Robin honestly just Sunday is enough because of the battery engine and they all provide something useful outside of batterying (buffs from Sunday and Huohuo and whatever other unit you want to run). His clears have GOT to be faster with this. There's no way that they aren't.
I feel like that wouldn't be the worst only because Aglaea won't be fully buildable for half of the story which is like 20 hours of gameplay if new players no life whereas Jing Yuan can be built almost as soon as they start playing
I put a E1S0 Sunday to my super poor geared Seele(75/100 crit) with e0 Robin and e3 Pela (total cost 4 legendary) My ult did a 274k crit damage on 11 Moc. If i maxed out traces and get decent relics i think its posible to do ~400k damage, i think thats defenetly not a T3 tier.
I am very hesitant on the future proofness of Sunday. Everyone said that Sparkle would get better as more SP heavy DPS gets released, but that never happened. Who's to say that more summon DPS will get released after 3.0? We just don't know at this point, it's pretty much a gamble...
Sparkle had a terrible kit in comparison to the other harmony characters. And so far Sunday is the only character than can advance both Summoner and Summon+Servant at the same time
you know that even the character doesn’t follow remembrance path can also have summon example like : jingyuan, topaz, lingsha. we already know 3 of them from 3.x will be remembrance character. its fine if you don’t invest on support character 🤷🏽♀️
I'm still so upset at how overtuned Sunday is. There's no reason they had to make him so good for Hypercarries. Just make him a summon exclusive buffer and call it a day. But NOPE, they had to powercreep Bronya AND Sparkle at the same time for no reason -_-
Tbf Bronya and sparkle can do something Sunday can’t which is action advance other harmonies. This is a kind of stupid but brilliant thing in 0 cycles to meet energy needs for the 2nd wave and can also help Robin in getting her ult back up.
she's literally an engine for Sunday and likely the entire summon meta especially if she consistently batteries both summoners and summons. the tiers are still quaking and the aftershocks havent finished yet lol
I think its kinda fair, like, the only top tier DPS that really cares about energy is Yunli. Everybody else benefits more from Lingsha or Aventurine. She's still a pretty good character, but the alternatives are more appealing for most DPS
Summon meta still hasnt arrived yet, its still break and fua meta. Huohuo falls short compared to Lingsha and Aventurine who is used in break and fua teams.
@@FakeStuff5 yes you can because it's a synergies game, would Firefly be T0 without Ruan Mei and hatblazer? Would Acheron be T0.5 without Jiaoqiu? Every character is dependent on having team-mates to work well. That said T0 is too high for JY, Feixiao is just on another level compared to other DPSes, but since he comfortably matches Acheron's performance, there's no reason not to put them in the same tier.
You clearly know that Aglaea has ridiculous amounts of energy snd the trend will probably continue with future dps units. So yeah, this utility is there for a reason. They didnt guve Sunday that energy cap for nothing
@@unendingvoid what i mean is not all remembrance have big energy like algaea, she have big energy because her speed is 300 , and not all remembrance have high speed like her
@@Kaien-qf6cr I agree with you. It'll be some but not all. Sunday's specific energy utility there is to account for characters like Aglaea. Remembrance is like nihility, it can cover a lot of roles
17:17 Completely agree. Early Eidolons and S1 LCs are not exactly off the table for F2P players anyway. It’s completely common for an F2P to have an E1S0 or E0S1 limited 5 star. I don’t think Game8 makes the best tier lists, but I do appreciate the fact that they take this into consideration.
Yeah, another stupid Hoyo decision to powercreep everything they see 🗿 That's the point of Sparkle (or Bronya) now?! They just stupidly give Sunday all buffs from both characters and even more. So cool, so creative 🤦
@PoyoPoyomfs nah as long new support does even stronger TA (aoe) along with increasing dmg by more then the last then this shits always going to happen. I do find it absurd that super break still isnt even complete yet here we are starting a whole ass new archetype.
There will always be power creep; it kinda has to happen. A Seele shouldnt be on the same level as Feixiao for example. It is what it is. But just because a unit isnt tier 0 meta, doesnt mean it is unplayable. Hell, I still use Sampo for my Kafka team. Black Swan is obviously better in every way, yet I still clear with max stars. You dont HAVE to play tier 0 meta to clear end game, as long as you invest smart and play well. However, if you only play non meta on both sides of the last floor of content? Yeah...without a Sig investment or maybe an Eidolon or 2, expect to struggle hard. It is what it is
The standard banner gave me one full set of 5-star characters, then S1, then E1. Now I suddenly realized that I have so many E1S1 characters and have no chance to use my 300 pulls selector.
Prydwen: We have 2 characters in Tier 0 because there's 2 sides. Also Prydwen: 4 characters in Tier 0 DPS PF idk, what's the point of having these kinds of tier lists when you are just going to throw a whole bunch into the top tier? Look at Tiers 1 to 2. They have the same number of characters in these 3 tiers as Tier 0. Gepard > Bailu simply because he fulfills the shield niche, of which there are only 2 (not including FMC and March). Those pesky soda pop monkeys aren't going die without them killing themselves. In the context of the current cycle though, I'm not sure I don't recall them appearing in the higher levels of MoC. Perhaps in the lower levels? Having several tiers for characters at a specific "breakpoint" (i.e., E2 DHIL) sounds good, although that seems like a lot of work. Obligatory message as an E0S0 player (with the exception of standard banners): still able to clear content just fine. The buffs actually mean something, since I'm forced to use them. Frustrating, but more fun.
they do this every time a new fua or summoner support comes out man. When will they learn jing yuan is just a flawed character with the way his lightning lord works and his damage scalings being weak. One support isn't going to change anything, and even if hes decent right now, hes going to fade into obscurity in the next patch or two.
“When will they learn jing yuan is a flawed character with the way his lightning lord works and his damage scalings being weak” ah so we are dealing with someone with the mental capacity of less than an egg. The only actual “flaw” this entire time with jing yuans kit was ll being too slow, oh what’s this? 100% av on Sunday skill for summons? It can’t be! And what are you yappering and stammering about scalings, lightning lord to this day has some of the highest scalings in the game and even dwarfs some new releases in comparison. Who cares if aglaea will be stronger than him, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s outdoing other lightning dps like Acheron, aglaea just rises to the top of the pecking order, so the order is still the same. I know you guys like running the same mid yuan joke, but maybe it’s time to move on; Peace
@@Noxau-o6q alright, i feel like u hold urself above other people because u think ur so smart, but the flaw with jing yuan is not his lightning lord speed, its the fact its pretty single target and does like 200k damage each time it strikes, at max stacks. Why would i ever use jing yuan over feixao, who constantly cycles 400k or more ults much faster than jing yuan, and acheron who cycles massive damage fully aoe ults nonstop. I have jing yuan, and to me he feels quite terrible. Just my opinion though, and maybe its time to move on from defending this outdated character who has recevied countless massive buffs since his release, but somehow still manages to underperform. The reason everyone calls him mid yuan is because... HES ACTUALLY MID! And he isnt anywhere near to acheron, so i dont know where youve been seeing he outperforms her lol.
@@dapper-alcremie460 alright ill just say it simple then. Jing yuan is bad, sunday being in the game makes himm better but hes still not good. If i have trash, and i have less disgusting trash, neither are good. One might be better, but its still trash.
i have acheron with bis team and jingyuan and with sunday i can tell you at EoS1 yingjuan feels a lot better to play but have in mind that acheron only has JQ as a real bis support the other teammates are cope for now
probably yes, and Jiyn Yuan is the proof of that. Sunday is the biggest indirect buff any character has ever gotten, and our general is still not top tier, even with his premium complete team. The new DPS are always stronger, the older ones are always playing catch up, to the point where even when they get the most outright tailor-made indirect buff, the newer DPS are still better by a lot
@@viniciusespindola7238 when blade released he was below selee in this pryd tierlist and generally agreed to be more comfortable but do less damage he also didn't have low cost 0 cycles, unless you have any evidence to back this... no.
Well looks like trash talking firefly all those months worked, i never expected raiden Mei one of THE favorites from hoyo to fall of earlier than la mosca de fuego (firefly xd) Inverse psychology i guess
I just realized how come Sunday doesnt have the "buff" tag on the tierlist. On another note, why does Jingliu not have "advance" because her talents says he 100% advances.
Prydwens obvious biases are so apparent, and it's the reason why I don't even look at their tier lists anymore. The fact that jinyuan moved up 4 tiers to T0 in PF because of sunday is just ridiculous, and then Jingliu moves down from T1.5 to T2 even though Sunday is a direct buff for her since he helps her immensely in keeping up the transmigration state with his ult. Im not saying Jingliu should have moved up, but the fact that Jingyuan moved up as much as he did, yet jingliu does down is just nonsensical, and it's obvious whoever makes these tierlists has a hard on for Midyuan. Can't wait for him to be powercrept and irrelevant again next patch.
Jingyuan moving to T0 in PF immediately like that is especially annoying when they had Argenti sit in the cuck chair in T0.5 for who knows how long when he should have been in T0 the second that tier was added.
im expecting them to drop Jing Yuan a tier or two once Aglea releases and write something like "it was good while it lasted, unfortunately waifu better" which is basically what happened to Dhil after Jingliu released
@@Kspice9000 Blud calling people who pulled for characters they liked losers. Who's a bigger loser chasing meta in a game with insane powercreeps? Lol
If I had to bet everything on a single char to survive a star rail apocalypse, it'd be Lingsha. She can Aoe heal 3x, Aoe debuff including herself, Aoe break 3x, Aoe buff & Aoe nuke 3x in 1 turn. She solos Apocalyptic Shadow Sunday on her own. Absolutely ridiculous. She's the first char that's tempting me to e6.
Yapping for all eternity on sustain despite us all knowing the only thing that matters is, are you surviving. DPS contributions and buffs from sustains are nice but they're just not strong enough to make or break a team, with the possible exception of DPS Lingsha doing double duty
@@sct77 no bailu's heals are worse the only reason you need the revive is because she has shit heals ;D The utility will differentiate the sustains into the various tiers but it still doesn't matter compared to supports and their eidolons or DPS's and theirs and the LC's
@@123FireSnake Bailu is significantly safer than Huo Huo. Pokke was full sp positive when he cleared with her and her ultimate has dmg mitigation and heals after any dmg is taken, which prevents the unlucky bad aggro moments abundance units struggle with.
HuoHuo should be T0. If remembrance characters are going to be meta and have sky high ER costs HuoHuo is going to be the uncontested BiS for them over every other sustain.
I love when they pretend that they didn't see the leaks, so funny
ye but idk anymore :D if they would know sunday should be t0 with remembrance chars :d until tribbie
@@enjumamoru6513tribbie kit are nothing like sunday. so sunday still on top if anything tribbie will replace robin on summon meta 🤷🏽♀️
@@txfffy997robin is the summon robin 😭
@ i dont said tribbie are summon robin tho 💀 i just think on summon meta if tribbie are release. she likely gonna replace robin 🤷🏽♀️
They must act like that even if is not what they want because the New path is something we need to adress on detail
"sunday ruined the meta" acting like all the other harmonies haven't
It wasn't Sunday it's Bobin
sparkle surely didn’t
Ruanmei started the era of powercrept.
@@songvumailshe was the first limited harmony though and her kit was very unique. She didn’t power creep anyone but she did start “Honkai support rail”
Hsr did Sparkle dirty bruh... Sparkle is meant to use with sp hungry teams but the only sp hungry characters are DHIL and QQ and they never released another sp hungry character
and both of them had fallen off... I can't believe they just completely forgot about this consuming more sp for enchanced skill thing... But I think Sparkle's potential is still there
They completely destroyed resistance and SP mechanics. Now everyone can do all at same time 💀
dont trip about it so much im sure we will get multiple sp-hungry units in the future. might be awhile but there's no way they throw her away completely for the rest of the game's existence
People should use QQ more
The problem is Sunday is more sp efficient than sparkle. So even if we get sp dps, Sunday will be better. There’s no world where sparkle makes a comeback. She would need a quantum dps who specifically is sp hungry, and scales of other quantum, and even then idk
SP consumption and a quantum damage boost.. what an absolute joke of a character 😭
Prydwen should honestly just start doing a 2nd tier list for s1, and special ratings for major eidolons like e1, e2, e6 and some e4s on both s0 and s1 tier lists.
I agree with this. They have “include eidolons” but there’s a massive difference between e2 Acheron and e6 Acheron and that won’t be accounted for. It just shows “with eidolons”. Would be really interesting to see.
you’ve clearly seen the Aglaea “dreams”, im excited, idc that it will power creep JY again either. im enjoying the boost he got, its like LL was driving the speed limit and then Sunday turns on a rocket booster it is so satisfying
Why do people still say dreams it’s cringe
@@omensoffatefeel free to invent a new word for it but obviously you cant says leaks outright. id honestly prefer not to use dreams anyways
@@omensoffate Cause saying the L word here is actually bannable by Pokke's channel managers, and you will disappear among the sea of butterflies if you tried that on Pokke's Discord.
She won't just powercreep JY but every dps in the game including Feixiao, it's not even that close
@@27Ganon fx who?
Honestly lightning might be the easiest powercrept element in HSR to be honest. First we got JY, then kafka powercrept JY, then acheron powercrept both of them and soon aglaea gonna powercrept all of them soon. Even to this day lightning element has the most limited 5* dps.
that is true and its really bad. if I pulled every Lightning dps id be annoyed by Aglaea but thankfully I saved some pulls
They all are like AoE damage dealers
Arlan will powercreep them all and get the last laugh with Blade's support (insane cope)
@@viniciusespindola7238 the eon of cope, arlan shall rise again
Bro Ag just offscreening the world.
Ngl, HuoHuo holds more value now than in the last patch considering her ult charge is massive for the Halo Twin (Sunday and Robin Hypercarry) team comp.
Edit: He addressed it already.
Yet prydwen still dropped her. Its true that you are probably not playing her with Feixiao, Firefly or Rappa but dropping her to T1 in any mode besides Apoc Shadows is crazy
Yeah this, I find it weird that she went down one tier..
@@LucasGomes-ng2go Im gonna assume they'll raise her value up once we get more Remembrance Characters, because they are (allegedly) going to make strong dps characters charge ult regularly. I imagine the HuoHuo/Halo Twins will be a staple Hypercarry engine in the future.
she's going right back up in 3.0, both 5*s want her as their best sustain
Are sunday x robin is meta team ?
Imagine telling someone in 1.4 that jingyuan blade and dhil will be better than jingliu lmao
lolxddddddd
i mean child was always a betting dealer than jing liu lol. she just was more flexible since she didn’t use skill points
Well for dhil he was always as strong as jingliu if not more when she released. The only thing that made him weaker in people's eyes was his sp consumption. Jingliu was just much easier to build and use at the time while also being flexible with supports.
sunday not being in t0 bc his potential will be even higher is kind of a really dumb reason when even without summoners, his buffs are so ridiculously overloaded
that's because the top 3 DPS in the meta doesn't use Sunday, do you really think he's as valuable as Ruan Mei and Robin right now?
His potential is high. His value now is not that high because only one char can utilise him very well and this char still is not meta. Tier list made for now, not about potential, so it is fair to not place him at t0 now. He is better than sparkle and bronya for hypercarry now, so he is higher, but meta defines and there is no e0s0 meta hypercarry for now who can use Sunday.
We're talking about the present situation, not the future leaks. That's why they making wacthlist between these current unit like JY, Rappa and Sunday for now.
Yeah but Robin, Ruan Mei and sometimes Jiaoqiu are still doing better than any hypercarry team.
@@MefoWho cry louder
huohuo t0 once again when remembrance path hits
She always has been she’s only bad in break teams all other sustains except for lingsha and aventurine are ass compared to her
Nah, huohuo is not dedicated remembrance sustainer
@@Kaien-qf6crHuoHuo is a dedicated Remembrance support, even more so than Mr.Midday
@@LazyCat250 yes that what they say about huohuo to the dot team too
@@Kaien-qf6crrememberance path character got crazy energy more than 200+
Her ult =20%max energy is insane
Maybe in the future we got better sustain for remembrance but for now huohuo is the goat😂
I think it's far too obvious Prydwen does not make tier lists with E0S0 characters in mind, they say all of them are E0S0 but for the love of god how the hell is Bronya the same tier as Sparkle and just one tier below Sunday at E0S0? How is Rappa TWO TIERS below Firefly and one below Boothill?? And it goes on and on with the inconsistency.
Prydwen tier list is an absolute joke but I like looking at their data for usage and clear time for whatever that's worth.
@@ladyhdwastaken That's literally what they base the tier list on lol.
@@ladyhdwastaken that data is somewhat unreliable if it doesn't take into consideration the variance in eidolons & LCs between player units
U want ur ff T0 in PF while lingsha carrying her @ss?
Before sunday dropped, I saw a lot of people saying he'll be powercrept in 3.0 like sparkle so they're skipping him and waiting for "the better support". I'm here to tell you: no there will not be. He is more akin to Ruan Mei and Robin in terms of archetype, meaning he will likely be the only one of his kind for a long time. If you want to play summons, pull him, or plan for his rerun. Because you're not getting another one.
@@MefoWhothey only know how to milk as much as possible and make sure old units are ass compared to new ones.
He only works for hypercarry but Ruan and Robin can be slotted in as a second harmony for hypercarry and work in more than 1 team. This is the thing people are likely referring to.
@@MefoWhobronya is fine. They’re used together. Same with sparkle. Ruan Robin are still cracked
@@ladyhdwastaken No, he does not only work for hypercarry. It's leak information so I'm refraining from saying a ton, but Remembrance characters are not hypercarry.
@@daijoubun6648his buffs are amazing, don’t get me wrong, but his entire kit is dedicated to hypercarry and to say otherwise is slightly cope. He only benefits one character. Yeah he can advance a unit and their summon that isn’t the hypercarry but at that point just use Robin since she advances everyone.
E1S1 and dude elevates my entire roster to new levels frfr
our general ended up reverse power creeping acheron
Is it just me or is Ratio not really as bad as pokke makes him out to be ? I still use Acheron, Clara and Ratio and i would say at least Ratio E0S0 is closer in power level to E0S1 Acheron than he is Clara E0S1(Yunli LC), i managed to do a 4cycle with him hypercarry on 1st half when its off element and one of the enemies is img res, i would say thats impressive for a 1.x unit
in that regard, this new MoC proved to me that Acheron should be a T0 unit since any time there's 3+ enemies present ( which has been almost every MoC ever ) on either side she stomps, i feel like the only reason her performance drops in the data is because not many people pulled JQ dragging her actual performance down.
It's just brainrot from them "if a character isn't tier 0 it's ass"
Trus, the average cycle by Dr. Ratio is good anyway
Ngl if ur e0s0 ratios dmg or clear speed is comparable to your e0 s1 acheron you either don't have 2 good debuffers e.g. sw and jq or pela and sw/jq or your acheron is badly built
The problem is it’s expensive. You need jq, his lightcone, and Acheron’s lightcone. For similar investment, you could just go Feixiao, Yunli, and now new remembrance dps. So I think for new players Acheron is not recommended. Most likely Aglaea will powercreep Acheron in lightning
Ratio is indeed closer to Acheron then Clara. That said, you need to have him (and his team) cracked for him to be comparable to stronger dps.
At this point tho, a lot of it comes down to team strength. Its not just the carry that needs to be invested now, its also the rest of the team and needs to be strong.
The fact that HMC never received her well deserved T0 spot genuinely annoys me. It shows a clear bias against Super Break meta even though shes LITERALLY the only reason it exists currently until Fugues release
Almost a full year of Super Break Meta in T0 and they never moved her into that slot is some bs
HMC doesn't deserve t0 though bc there not as flexible as ruan mei and Robin, who are always top 3 best supp in every team besides like 1 team each. While hmc is needed pretty much for superbreak but only superbreak. Flexibility is important for support more then any role bc it leads to them being so much better the more flexible they are
@Glizzyman not as flexible? Seriously xD
Bro they legit created a meta single handedly AND have the fastest Ult recharge making DDD a pseudo Robin.
They also made Super Break Himeko, Blade actually viable
@@NiaTheMilkTank that doesnt mean their flexible, i literally agreed with you that there needed for superbreak but they just dont work in every other comp unlike robin and ruan mei who are first and second best slot in 99% of teams. A psuedo robin in break teams only, every other comp hes not close to robin or ruan mei, hes closer to sunday rn then robin or ruan mei
@Glizzyman "break teams only"
You do realize me mentioning blade is specifically just to prove that ANY character can have a Super Break comp right?
She's just that amazing
Now once Fugue comes out I expect hmc to stay at T 0.5 (S) and thats because she's Harmony (DDD)
@NiaTheMilkTank for most teams it's not as good as just running Robin and Sunday or ruan mei, anyone can run superbreak but it's not the best comp for most characters. The only ones that changed to superbreak is sometimes blade but now that Sunday came out you can run blade with him, and Jade there's obv himeko but that's really the only one that got an upgrade from superbreak, unless I'm missing someone.
I see them staying in 0.5 as well, along with fugue since there's not much of a difference between the two unless your using boothill or rappa
aglaea coming out but ppl only focus on JY as if Acheron aint gonna get crept too..
What do you expect from any acheron glazers lol, they act like acheron isn't prone to powercreep and they cope by waiting for another "acheron support"😂
Sunday and the Fate collaboration characters should be a good pairing hopefully
I hope it will be Gilgamesh and Archer
tbh, sunday might be the one that carries fate collab units, since fate chars have a lot of potential as summon type units
I want saber, she is cool (spcially if she is along side shiro)
As a DHIL enjoyer, yes, my DHIL is E2 (and S1)
Same here
Same!!
Same
Same here
Honestly they need to give Tier 0 to 3 characters at this point. Sunday is definitely on the same level as Mei and Robin. Just like Huo Huo being as strong as Aventurine and Lingsha. All 6 of them are best in slot in the best meta teams right now and upcoming, with break, follow up and Servants
Sunday time is not coming yet, huohuo is not needed in summon meta
Both hou hou and suday are lacking meta dps besides yunili and lighting lord they really want them for now
Considering what the alphabet soup said, huohuo remains relevant since her energy regen is just bananas with nike.
Sunday will inevitably be moved up, so I think it’s fine knowing as soon as 3.0 drops he will probably move up
When they say a character has room to grow that almost always means they’ve seen leaks, and plan on bumping up when that char comes out. He’s guaranteed to be t0 when Ag releases.
They for sure have seen how they work together.
Sunday is 2024's Ruan Mei
nah hes sparkle2
Nah he’s just updated sparkle. Raun Mei is in a tier of her own along with Robin
The ruan Mei for summons might be soon
Hes Bronya+sparkel max pro 9000 whit chicken wings tbh he looks so mutch better in hes current outfit ngl
@@senseioct8564"Ruan Mei for summons" so... Ruan Mei
seeing pokke talk bad about e0s0 boothill but not e0s0 firefly will never seize to amaze me, whale brain
But e0s0 is not whale territory lol
I have both boothill is way better
It's because Firefly still has a good f2p lightcone (On the fall of an Aeon) while Boothills next best f2p option is a 3 star lightcone or the Moze 4 star gacha lightcone. But I get your point about pokke talking bad about him since Boothill is still good even without a lightcone.
I mean at E0S0 Firefly is still way better because she has an actual f2p LC and the enemies don't care about boothill mechanics. I never had an issue with her SP besides PF xD
Boothill better, because he is a boss killer and the bleed scales with hp. So the fatter the bosses get, boothill scales. Whereas firefly can be replaced by so many units
Might be a hot take so someone can call me out on my bs if I’m wrong, but I feel like Sunday narrows the gap between 1.x and 2.x DPS by quite a solid amount since most of them are hypercarry. In a way it’s combating power creep
Also no idea why they moved Jingliu down, she works so well with Sunday
Because Prydwen is biased towards characters they like, it's why Jingyuan is T0 but the support that makes him that good isn't
How is Sunday + Jing Yuan not similar to Acheron + Jiaoqiu? Both DPAV calculations and showcases put them in a level playing field at most levels of investment. Sure, JY is going to get powercrept by Aglaea but it's the same case for Acheron; hell JY will probably age better in the short to medium term since he will probably use the mechanics of characters/buffs better (than Acheron) during 3.X
Cause acheron glazers(including prydwen) are salty because a 1.0 dps is on the same level with their "queen"
As a Jing Yuan main from the day the man got released, THANK HOYO FOR SUNDAY. I'm gonna enjoy all the Jing Yuan content for now until he'll be pulled down in the tierlist again by the upcoming, much stronger remembrance character. LMAO! I will _never_ stop maining him tho! As long as I can clear with him, this game is fine for me.
moving JY down a tier because he will get directly pc’d again isnt a good mentality imo. its up to everyone to do their own due diligence to not fall for hype. if thats the case everyone will get pc’d eventually anyways so just remove T0
Tbh… if you need to study a game, it’s not a very good game in design… and probably just a sign to quit
I mean, there are wiki games… then there’s this which is studying the power creep of units to determine who to pull which is the main point of the game and people ain’t playing games just to study. The core gacha system is inherently just bad, it’s only held up by addiction.
@@thederp9309thats true, the way you put it is a good mentality for gacha. I do like looking for tips for rpgs but the focal point then would be to trust the content creator. i dont trust any fully but I definitely avoid the pure shills
its funny how many ppl dont realize it when saying the same shit as "moving JY down a tier because he will get directly pc’d ", if u move JY down, u move acheron down as well, since he deals about acheron levels of dmg per cycle on average with the advent of sunday.
Prydwen has so many biases its actually laughable at this point
Frfr
the fact that Boothill isnt T0 already and hasnt been for like two patches is absurd, the bias is so obvious its insane
@@thefisherguy7269prolly waiting for fugue
the fact jing yuan is t0 but sunday(a support that makes jy relevant) is not t0. jing yuan NEEDS him he desperately needs him but sunday can work in any crit scaling team and even lingsha super break carry
firefraud being on same tier as Feixiao speaks volumes
Seeing one of favourite characters being power crept so badly makes me sad. I think that hoyoverse really have to address these power creep issues, hopefully like a change or update to a characters kit. Some of their animations could use some updating too.
Sunday, Robin, & Pela has my Acheron hitting MOC 12 bosses with 3M dmg average. Thats kind of insane…
do u have sunday e1 and robin e1 and acheron e2 ?
I hit 5 million damage with acheron e0 s0 same team
Insane 😊
@@darkdream8844 bet ur supports have eidolons
hold up does ur acheroon have E2S1 or is she E0S1 like mine, or do ur supports have S1 and eidolons? cause i have a E0S1 acheron and she deals around 1.8 million against 5 enemies
@@darkdream8844 I too enjoy making shit up
20:24 that is not what that chart is saying. Of the people who use DHIL in endgame content, 52% have E2 DHIL, but the dataset of people who are clearing with DHIL is obviously going to be massively biased towards people who have his absurdly strong eidolon. E2 DHIL havers are still absolutely in the minority, it's just that E0 DHIL havers aren't using him anymore.
Probably the worst timing to drop huohuo. Sunday and huohuo literally go so well together. Even if you wanted to put her there, i would drop fuxuan. I trued using her with s1 sunday, jingyuan, robin team and she just felt so shit to use since she generates so much less sp compared to luocha, ghall or aven whilst providing less utility conpared to huohuo lingsha.
quite frankly they could double the damage, healing, even some of the buffs or debuffs the 1.x characters have and they would still be below 2.x characters let alone the 3.x characters coming . wish they would honestly, since the pwoer creep is much more prevalent in HSR than genshin.
Doesn’t make much sense how Jingliu dips a tier (especially below blade) when Sunday makes Jingliu better
No ice weakness but wind weakness everywhere is one factor. Playing off element does make a difference. Another thing is Prydwen tier list is a lot of bias (some is data driven but mostly bias 😂)
Moving her up a tier won’t change much🤣but as someone who has jingliu as one of their mains I don’t think she’s t2 and that’s without having Sunday.
Totally agreed with Jingliu especially now that sunday is a thing. Easily her best support unless you maybe have literal e6 bronya i think.
I have e1s1 jingliu. I pulled e0s0 sunday. Using bronyas lightcone, I was able to 0 cycle moc 11 (ice side), my 1st 0 cycle since 1.x patches with jingliu. It was ok my first try too. Not sure who else would be the premier ice dps as of now, she deserves same tier as dhil and Clara, t1 is fine
With E0S0 Jingliu I went from clearing the bug in MOC 11 in 5 cycles with E3 Bronya to 3 with E0S0 Sunday
@@QMS9224can I ask you who you used? I would love to try it myself!
@@Princess-rt6iq jingliu sunday e1s1 robin, huohuo. You can also use tingyun instead of robin, and jingliu has perma ult
Jingliu never escaping the fraud allegations lol
🤡best dps for 4 patches is a fraud.Meanwhile acheron was only for 2 patches.
@@anirudhv59401 is at t.05 and other at t2
@@anirudhv5940from best DPS to being worse than Blade lol yep she is a fraud
It's called Power Creep 😭...she was broken for like 4 patches then they released characters like Firefly that destroy everything in existence forever.
Trust me Huo huo will be on top of tierlist when we get into amphoreus.
12:00 Bro thinks he's slick
So we can mention that Fugue will Buff Rappa but not boothill? If anything Boothill will get a better increase than Rappa for fugue he definitely doesn’t need to be thrown down if anything he might go up with fugues release
Rappa will get the biggest buff but Fugue removes a lot of flaws Boothill has
BLADE IS HIGHER THAN JINGLIU??? Don't get me wrong I love Blade he was the reason I started the game and whatnot but literally with Sunday Jingliu could've AT LEAST remained in T1.5 in my opinion
I think it's because this list is e0s0, and because Jingliu really does genuinely suck in this specific moc 12 rotation. I mean look at both sides, Blade is better in both. Svarog is wind weak, and Jingliu is poor against the tv boss, blade can still hang onto a jade team to clear that
It isn't because he is better but she hasn't been used recently due to lack of Ice weakness enemies.
@@MJAY552 Yup. At the end of the day weakness and boss match up matters a lot.
@@MJAY552I agree. I have jingliu and I will break her out when I need an ice dps but let’s be real when do we need an ice dps outside of small Herta in pf?
She cleared with 3600 points when we had aventurine in apocalyptic shadow (e0s0 but my Bronya is e6 and highly invested) which is honestly a viable as hell score considering the only harmony was bronya.
They're just copy pasting their data from the last 3 MoCs, this tier list is pointless, they haven't tested anything outside of the couple of meta teams they use during their casual play.
Fun fact, in a team where ur main dps has an unbalanced crit ratio like about 40 crit rate and 240 crit dmg, sunday outperforms robin :skull, just put them together and witness cinema
Jade needs to go up, Sunday, Robin and Lingsha alongside her is way, WAY better than DoT
Yeah.... if your delusional.
True in some cases she really slap like in the Side 2 against the TV. If Hoyo keep making an AOE side in MoC she should obviously go up in the tierlist if Prydewen is truly fair
I am still waiting for dot meta after a year of saving and losing i finally built a 5 star dot team and the meta shifted to superbreak and when i built a superbreak team the meta is going towards summon meta like wth man it's just a constant state of chasing the new meta
Lingsha crit is now meta
It is, very much
Bubbin showcase
Sunday makes me sad I skipped Lingsha and will skip him (for 3.x characters) because a Lingsha dps team would be very amusing to play.
With the multiple enemies arranged in two rows coming in 3.x, Lingsha's value as an "Erudition" healer will only rise. It's one of the reasons I got her to E1.
@@daitoushoutouI don’t need another sustain on my account but if she does end up being BIS for Therta I may pull her (I think Huohuo is actually really good for her too and I have e1 Huohuo so hopefully I’m good) I have literally every other limited sustain 😂
I really wonder how big Fugue will be for the Break DPS as we got to play with her for a bit in this most recent story and Man Boothill getting 3 trickshots off 1 mob or Rappa getting 2x charge from her ult feels insane
Yeah I tried her with my e2 ff but cut out HMC and it felt really meh with firefly. I will try her with rappa on my f2p account and I have a feeling they will be so good together
Bro watches all leaks the minute they come out
The only counter I have to Pokke's argument about them releasing a DPS with 1000 Energy, what's stopping them from releasing a better Huohuo that summons something that intrinsically increases energy regeneration. I'm thinking similar to Gallagher's and Luocha's ULT where its a permanent energy regen buff as long as that summon is on the field. Everything else can be healing and more buffs like atk.
Jingliu being worse than Blade is crazy lmao, especially when Sunday buffs has permanent uptime on her unlike Bronya
Yeah they just hate jingliu
Jingliu is just ass
The Jingliu glaze needs to stop, just admit that she's a worse DPS than Blade right now
@@0_personabait used to be believable
@@0_personaJingliu is not that strong yes, but Blade is absolute dogwater dps
I'm really not worried about a big falloff for Super Break. DoT never got a dedicated sustain, and never got a dedicated support, so it was always just using supports and sustains that were explicitly designed for other team comps where you get to take advantage of all the buffs they provide, rather than just a piece of their kits. Its ceiling was much lower than Break. Super Break and Follow Up have a lot of long-term legs because they've designed so many different characters explicitly for that playstyle. DoT basically got 2/4ths of a team, in total, ever, expressly designed for it.
Fun Fact: All of the Quantum DPS are (Mid) in the same tier
Xueyi is very niche but I wouldn’t call her mid at all. She takes advantage of everything they’re shilling. You just wouldn’t run her outside of quantum weak floors 🤷♀️ Jade is a god in PF and amazing in AS.
The fact that I am sustaining myself with IL and Jing Yuan as DPS until now without pulling for any DPS throughout 2.0. I am really happy with Sunday release.
You and Me right there 😂. I still main these two after returning to the game. They’re old units but still good and fun to use.
Bronya is so good that they make Bronya 4 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Yeah I got a feeling things are gonna focus more on multi targeted damage and pushing erudition units considering Herta as the first big name to drop for 3.0.
My e2 s1 Sparkle feels just as good as she did one day one tbh. Still a firecracker
Yeah her e2 is amazing but as an e0 sparkle haver her kit still feels a little incomplete and not worth running over my e6 Bronya outside of sp hungry teams sad😢
@ladyhdwastaken It feels bad that at e0 s0 she doesn't feel as good because at e2 s1 she is one of the best harmony units.
She scales pretty hard with her eidelions and supports the whole team. She never left my Acheron team so she still has that niche for me
Sunday did not ruin the meta, he is the calm before the storm, he is what is to come for the summon meta. he is what buried the dot meta and sealed it's fate, never to see the light of day again until 5.0
lets be real, Sunday is not T0 because he's a dude, Aventurine was the only dude they allowed to be T0 from the start because he's a twink
sunday is a twink too, just not as fruity
Huohuo is my favorite abundance, at e1s1 she is so good. Sp+ and spd buff at e1 and heals on every ult at s1, T0 all the way.
Jing yuan goes to T0 in PF but Argenti stays at T0.5 😢. I was able to brute force side 2 with Sunday and Argenti with over 30k points too.
argenti is t0 pf for sure and even if it isnt recognized now after the pf changes that will come he will be t0 period
Jing Yuan is more T0 in the new PF that's coming. In this DOT one, it's difficult for many or maybe i suck ass. I just got 30k with it but I don't have HuoHuo lol
@@nissonga6594 I got 40k out of it on 2nd side
JY/Sunday/buhbin/Huohuo
Pokke also tried it yesterday but he got unlucky AF and got CC'd (DoT PF advancing enemies to squeeze between JY and LL after Sunday AV).
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't even take Argenti into account. Huohuo, Sunday, Robin or Tingyun, and Argenti is absolutely insane. You don't even need Robin honestly just Sunday is enough because of the battery engine and they all provide something useful outside of batterying (buffs from Sunday and Huohuo and whatever other unit you want to run). His clears have GOT to be faster with this. There's no way that they aren't.
I feel like that wouldn't be the worst only because Aglaea won't be fully buildable for half of the story which is like 20 hours of gameplay if new players no life whereas Jing Yuan can be built almost as soon as they start playing
13:23 350 energy mayhaps...
Whats thats supposed to mean? 🤨
@@kemystery8896 hmm innocent non leak enjoyer
@@kemystery8896aglaea ult is 350 energy
@@kemystery8896it’s forbidden knowledge. You shouldn’t know it 🤫
I put a E1S0 Sunday to my super poor geared Seele(75/100 crit) with e0 Robin and e3 Pela (total cost 4 legendary) My ult did a 274k crit damage on 11 Moc. If i maxed out traces and get decent relics i think its posible to do ~400k damage, i think thats defenetly not a T3 tier.
I am very hesitant on the future proofness of Sunday.
Everyone said that Sparkle would get better as more SP heavy DPS gets released, but that never happened.
Who's to say that more summon DPS will get released after 3.0? We just don't know at this point, it's pretty much a gamble...
Only 3.0 aglaea meta summon.
After that 3.1-3.X its meta hp scalling damage from mydie and castorice
ITS ALL OR NOTHING!
Man. There's one BIG DIFFERENCE OF SPARKLE AND SUNDAY.
Sparkle's kit is bad just at look at.
Sparkle had a terrible kit in comparison to the other harmony characters. And so far Sunday is the only character than can advance both Summoner and Summon+Servant at the same time
you know that even the character doesn’t follow remembrance path can also have summon example like : jingyuan, topaz, lingsha. we already know 3 of them from 3.x will be remembrance character. its fine if you don’t invest on support character 🤷🏽♀️
I'm still so upset at how overtuned Sunday is. There's no reason they had to make him so good for Hypercarries. Just make him a summon exclusive buffer and call it a day. But NOPE, they had to powercreep Bronya AND Sparkle at the same time for no reason -_-
Tbf Bronya and sparkle can do something Sunday can’t which is action advance other harmonies. This is a kind of stupid but brilliant thing in 0 cycles to meet energy needs for the 2nd wave and can also help Robin in getting her ult back up.
Sunday ended those flops as he should
Idk how huohuo isnt T0 but she will be shortly next patch
she's literally an engine for Sunday and likely the entire summon meta especially if she consistently batteries both summoners and summons. the tiers are still quaking and the aftershocks havent finished yet lol
How you don't know. Literally 80% of DPS now use Sunday/Robinn/Huohuo as best team.
I think its kinda fair, like, the only top tier DPS that really cares about energy is Yunli. Everybody else benefits more from Lingsha or Aventurine. She's still a pretty good character, but the alternatives are more appealing for most DPS
Summon meta still hasnt arrived yet, its still break and fua meta.
Huohuo falls short compared to Lingsha and Aventurine who is used in break and fua teams.
@@LucasGomes-ng2go ye but robin and sunday require alot of energy so having huo huo would let them use their ults more
still wild to me how 0 cycler think Seele is still op and casual player think Seele is washed from 10 patches ago.
Jing Yuan legit should be at T0 at this point. No more slandering, no more biased bs. THE KING IS BACK THANKS TO SUNDAY!
lol..........
Yeah i dont know about that one chief...
@@FakeStuff5 plenty of videos about jingyuan doing 0-1cycle run with Sunday. Just accept the reality already
@@set7618 I've seen Blade zero cycle. Is he T0? You cant be T0 when your tied to one specific character to be any good.
@@FakeStuff5 yes you can because it's a synergies game, would Firefly be T0 without Ruan Mei and hatblazer? Would Acheron be T0.5 without Jiaoqiu? Every character is dependent on having team-mates to work well. That said T0 is too high for JY, Feixiao is just on another level compared to other DPSes, but since he comfortably matches Acheron's performance, there's no reason not to put them in the same tier.
i dont care about meta experimenting with units that works is fun
You clearly know that Aglaea has ridiculous amounts of energy snd the trend will probably continue with future dps units. So yeah, this utility is there for a reason. They didnt guve Sunday that energy cap for nothing
Just one single unit cant predict other next char, RMC energy is normal
@Kaien-qf6cr RMC isn't a DPS, he's a support/subdps.. so yeah, that's why. Sunday isn't exactly gonna be ulting RMC.
@@unendingvoid what i mean is not all remembrance have big energy like algaea, she have big energy because her speed is 300 , and not all remembrance have high speed like her
@@Kaien-qf6cr I agree with you. It'll be some but not all. Sunday's specific energy utility there is to account for characters like Aglaea. Remembrance is like nihility, it can cover a lot of roles
17:17 Completely agree. Early Eidolons and S1 LCs are not exactly off the table for F2P players anyway. It’s completely common for an F2P to have an E1S0 or E0S1 limited 5 star.
I don’t think Game8 makes the best tier lists, but I do appreciate the fact that they take this into consideration.
Yeah, another stupid Hoyo decision to powercreep everything they see 🗿
That's the point of Sparkle (or Bronya) now?! They just stupidly give Sunday all buffs from both characters and even more. So cool, so creative 🤦
Did Sunday really powercrept sparkle?? I don't know exactly how that works xd I thought that was with his signature lightcone.
@@PoyoPoyomfs 50% av advance omegalul, sparkle is dead unless they release another dps like dhil / qq
@PoyoPoyomfs nah as long new support does even stronger TA (aoe) along with increasing dmg by more then the last then this shits always going to happen.
I do find it absurd that super break still isnt even complete yet here we are starting a whole ass new archetype.
Bronya is standard, Sparkle is just bad and didn't revived Hypercarry.
But it's wrong just trash a unit that is bad because of their fault
There will always be power creep; it kinda has to happen. A Seele shouldnt be on the same level as Feixiao for example. It is what it is. But just because a unit isnt tier 0 meta, doesnt mean it is unplayable. Hell, I still use Sampo for my Kafka team. Black Swan is obviously better in every way, yet I still clear with max stars. You dont HAVE to play tier 0 meta to clear end game, as long as you invest smart and play well.
However, if you only play non meta on both sides of the last floor of content? Yeah...without a Sig investment or maybe an Eidolon or 2, expect to struggle hard. It is what it is
The standard banner gave me one full set of 5-star characters, then S1, then E1. Now I suddenly realized that I have so many E1S1 characters and have no chance to use my 300 pulls selector.
Mr Streamer, please do a hyper carry Misha video to prove these frauds wrong. Please save him from T5.
Prydwen: We have 2 characters in Tier 0 because there's 2 sides.
Also Prydwen: 4 characters in Tier 0 DPS PF
idk, what's the point of having these kinds of tier lists when you are just going to throw a whole bunch into the top tier? Look at Tiers 1 to 2. They have the same number of characters in these 3 tiers as Tier 0.
Gepard > Bailu simply because he fulfills the shield niche, of which there are only 2 (not including FMC and March). Those pesky soda pop monkeys aren't going die without them killing themselves. In the context of the current cycle though, I'm not sure I don't recall them appearing in the higher levels of MoC. Perhaps in the lower levels?
Having several tiers for characters at a specific "breakpoint" (i.e., E2 DHIL) sounds good, although that seems like a lot of work.
Obligatory message as an E0S0 player (with the exception of standard banners): still able to clear content just fine. The buffs actually mean something, since I'm forced to use them. Frustrating, but more fun.
they do this every time a new fua or summoner support comes out man. When will they learn jing yuan is just a flawed character with the way his lightning lord works and his damage scalings being weak. One support isn't going to change anything, and even if hes decent right now, hes going to fade into obscurity in the next patch or two.
“When will they learn jing yuan is a flawed character with the way his lightning lord works and his damage scalings being weak” ah so we are dealing with someone with the mental capacity of less than an egg. The only actual “flaw” this entire time with jing yuans kit was ll being too slow, oh what’s this? 100% av on Sunday skill for summons? It can’t be! And what are you yappering and stammering about scalings, lightning lord to this day has some of the highest scalings in the game and even dwarfs some new releases in comparison. Who cares if aglaea will be stronger than him, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s outdoing other lightning dps like Acheron, aglaea just rises to the top of the pecking order, so the order is still the same. I know you guys like running the same mid yuan joke, but maybe it’s time to move on;
Peace
@@Noxau-o6q alright, i feel like u hold urself above other people because u think ur so smart, but the flaw with jing yuan is not his lightning lord speed, its the fact its pretty single target and does like 200k damage each time it strikes, at max stacks. Why would i ever use jing yuan over feixao, who constantly cycles 400k or more ults much faster than jing yuan, and acheron who cycles massive damage fully aoe ults nonstop. I have jing yuan, and to me he feels quite terrible. Just my opinion though, and maybe its time to move on from defending this outdated character who has recevied countless massive buffs since his release, but somehow still manages to underperform. The reason everyone calls him mid yuan is because... HES ACTUALLY MID! And he isnt anywhere near to acheron, so i dont know where youve been seeing he outperforms her lol.
@@kanyesimp
I mean anyone should hold themselves above you when addressing you cause you just say semantics, none of what you said makes sense
@@kanyesimp E2 BRAIN DAMAGE FROM THIS REPLY
@@dapper-alcremie460 alright ill just say it simple then. Jing yuan is bad, sunday being in the game makes himm better but hes still not good. If i have trash, and i have less disgusting trash, neither are good. One might be better, but its still trash.
i have acheron with bis team and jingyuan and with sunday i can tell you at EoS1 yingjuan feels a lot better to play but have in mind that acheron only has JQ as a real bis support the other teammates are cope for now
More like Robin ruined the meta.
If you look at leaks, iykyk lmao
(Still love my girl tho.)
If I only I could win a 50/50 or get an early to save my life
I wonder if acheron gonna be the forgotter meta like dot doesnt get any new unit or support ☠️
It's hard to say, but on the new planet we'll find 4 units of nihility that could potentially strengthen Acheron.
probably yes, and Jiyn Yuan is the proof of that. Sunday is the biggest indirect buff any character has ever gotten, and our general is still not top tier, even with his premium complete team. The new DPS are always stronger, the older ones are always playing catch up, to the point where even when they get the most outright tailor-made indirect buff, the newer DPS are still better by a lot
@@ikomangyoga6401 Aglaea existing doesn't bode well, I don't think they'll overshadow Aglaea with an Acheron buff immediately after her release
Jing Yuan currently is a snapshot of what is coming in 6 weeks time except what is coming in 6 weeks time will make Jing Yuan look balanced.
Even if you somehow get ZERO resurgence, this list is just wrong, you're not going to convince me BLADE is TWO tiers above selee.
Blade is better than Seele since he released
superbreak blade is strong
@@blueraine21 this same youtuber made a video with superbreak blade being weaker than ur regular crit blade
@@viniciusespindola7238 when blade released he was below selee in this pryd tierlist and generally agreed to be more comfortable but do less damage he also didn't have low cost 0 cycles, unless you have any evidence to back this... no.
Yeah. He doesnt consume sp so atleast you can run him as sub dps. Selee just sucks
managed to 0 cycle moc12 with JY which hasn't happened since god knows when
tier bump deserved
Well looks like trash talking firefly all those months worked, i never expected raiden Mei one of THE favorites from hoyo to fall of earlier than la mosca de fuego (firefly xd)
Inverse psychology i guess
I just realized how come Sunday doesnt have the "buff" tag on the tierlist. On another note, why does Jingliu not have "advance" because her talents says he 100% advances.
Prydwens obvious biases are so apparent, and it's the reason why I don't even look at their tier lists anymore.
The fact that jinyuan moved up 4 tiers to T0 in PF because of sunday is just ridiculous, and then Jingliu moves down from T1.5 to T2 even though Sunday is a direct buff for her since he helps her immensely in keeping up the transmigration state with his ult.
Im not saying Jingliu should have moved up, but the fact that Jingyuan moved up as much as he did, yet jingliu does down is just nonsensical, and it's obvious whoever makes these tierlists has a hard on for Midyuan.
Can't wait for him to be powercrept and irrelevant again next patch.
Jingyuan moving to T0 in PF immediately like that is especially annoying when they had Argenti sit in the cuck chair in T0.5 for who knows how long when he should have been in T0 the second that tier was added.
im expecting them to drop Jing Yuan a tier or two once Aglea releases and write something like "it was good while it lasted, unfortunately waifu better" which is basically what happened to Dhil after Jingliu released
Sorry your mid wifu sucks ahh 😂😂😂😂
Nah bro, even with Sunday she ain’t it, lol
I have never heard anyone say that Prydwen is biased towards Jing Yuan lmao what a stupid take
I got my first bronya today and im a day 1 player. By the end of the day, i had e1s1 bronya, and no sunday sadge
More than ruined,saved
Only for the sore losers that made bad choices on pulls.
@ dude it’s a gacha game you have to pull for who you like and what over who is strongest
@@Kspice9000There's no such thing as "bad choices on pulls". Only sore losers think that
@@Kspice9000
Blud calling people who pulled for characters they liked losers.
Who's a bigger loser chasing meta in a game with insane powercreeps? Lol
A fellow Aglaea dreamer. Yeah she’s beaten all her peers in the element. I love speed scaling so fucking much!!!!
As long as FF is still T0, nothing else matters
based
she just aint tho, worse than rappa
Fireflop gonna fall off a cliff in like 3 months or less
@@baz9910 Rare Luffy pfp L
biggest fall off incoming but we are safe for now
Definitely watching this on a wednesday and not at 2AM on a Thursday :)
Я вот не понял, почему при выходе Воскресенья упала Зеле, ведь это буквально персонаж созданный под неё (Если не учитывать не полный бафф с навыка)
If I had to bet everything on a single char to survive a star rail apocalypse, it'd be Lingsha. She can Aoe heal 3x, Aoe debuff including herself, Aoe break 3x, Aoe buff & Aoe nuke 3x in 1 turn. She solos Apocalyptic Shadow Sunday on her own. Absolutely ridiculous.
She's the first char that's tempting me to e6.
When did yall do your pulls for Sunday? I did mine on Wednesday 🎉
Get 0 Bronya from day 1, but get 5 Yanq and 4 Clara
Im a happy Blade main seeing Blade higher than Jingliu
I’m gonna bet and say summons are going to get nerfed heavily past 3.0 through some gameplay mechanic
Yapping for all eternity on sustain despite us all knowing the only thing that matters is, are you surviving. DPS contributions and buffs from sustains are nice but they're just not strong enough to make or break a team, with the possible exception of DPS Lingsha doing double duty
If all that matters is surviving then Bailu would be a higher tier than Huo Huo tho.
@@sct77 no bailu's heals are worse the only reason you need the revive is because she has shit heals ;D
The utility will differentiate the sustains into the various tiers but it still doesn't matter compared to supports and their eidolons or DPS's and theirs and the LC's
@@123FireSnake Bailu is significantly safer than Huo Huo. Pokke was full sp positive when he cleared with her and her ultimate has dmg mitigation and heals after any dmg is taken, which prevents the unlucky bad aggro moments abundance units struggle with.
Power creep and HP sponge in HSR is kinda worrisome.
Most would become DPS only really soon.
How can Sunday ruin the meta when his sister killed it already 7 months ago?
I got E3 Bronya, she will do just fine.
Chat can I survive saving until fate banner😔 December to August
HuoHuo should be T0.
If remembrance characters are going to be meta and have sky high ER costs HuoHuo is going to be the uncontested BiS for them over every other sustain.