Pyro Traveler has an additional problem: You can unlock Dendro Traveler and (ostensibly) Hydro traveler *super* early in progression. Electro traveler requires quest progression to get to Inazuma, but that's the second area you visit. Pyro requires progressing Natlan's ENTIRE story to unlock, and a ludicrous amount of the game's overall story. The vast majority of players went into that unlock with a full roster of high leveled characters. If there's ANY merit to making a free character strong, it's that level of time investment. Harmony and Remembrance TB have very similar unlock requirements (though you could speed up Harmony's) but are far, FAR stronger.
He’ll, I felt like we unlocked Rememberance TB really early on and even in just 1 patch can completely e6 them without difficulty by just doing the story!
@@Somehuy77-kp4rz still doesnt deny the fact you have to progress pretty far into the archon quest to get pyro traveler while the others you can just touch a statue
I don't think Trailblazer's unlock requirement is comparable at all. In fact they're the easiest to unlock by far, the entire Amphoreus story is planned for the whole 3.x version but we can get Remembrance TB to e6 in the current 3.0 And Harmony TB can be received before you even get to Penacony
Cryo Traveler's skill will throw a snowball at enemies dealing 100 damage, and his burst will summon a group of ice cream from the sky to shower the enemy with dealing 1000 damage. Both cooldowns will be 30 seconds. Burst cost is 80.
I'll be honest, I would be perfectly okay if they killed Traveler in Nod-Krai 6.0+. We could go in 7.0 to main Snezhnaya with resurrected 3rd descender or something.
@@SmithyPL well i mean killing the main traveller seems overkill but from the way they treat mc anyway, dying in epic battle seems better than being continued to be treated like a literal donkey a55
@@TheWindows72306 traveler and mavuika were literally killed in night kingdom at 5.3 archon mission but ended up respawned again thanks to kachina shouting that poetry that i dont remember what is the title.
It _is_ pretty sad that I was actually kinda hyped when that happened. But dang did it make no sense to use that ugly ass blade for so long. Why not at least start off with Silver Sword? You get it right away and it at least doesn't look like complete garbage. Should have had Prototype Rancour by the Liyue Archon quest though, and by now at least a standard banner 5* like Skyward.
@@davidxencaster6406 if the dragonspine 1 and 2 events were permanent then those 2 swords become options for cannon weapon; also completing or approaching the end of each nations's quest should have as 1 of the rewards a single copy of that nation's signature 4* sword
and thats because the sword had some highlights (when mavuika captain and travleler weapons were shown together) in the archon quest otherwise they will be still using dull blade.
The most painful part is that there are so many alternatives they should've used. The Festering Desire of Dragonspine, which was explicitly stated to be only usable by the Traveler because of their resistance to the Abyss, or the Narzissenkreuz sword from the Fontaine world quests chain, or heck, if we want to limit ourselves to low-rarity weapons that everyone are guaranteed to get, how about the The Traveler's Handy Companion? It's a decent looking three star sword you get from Monstadt chests, and it's literally called *The Traveler's Handy Companion*! That said, I think the obvious thing should've been changing the Traveler's sword in cinematics based on the region. Silver Sword in Monstadt, Prototype Rancour in Liyue, Anemona Kageuchi in Inazuma, Sapwood Blade in Sumeru, Finale of the Deep in Fontaine, and finally Flute of Ezpitzal in Natlan.
They def made Travelers so dirty and saying that "making it good isnt profitable", just look at the Traiblazers and March 7th, they were so good that it helped a new meta rise up, which had the most awaited or liked characters
Dawey did say that Fontaine's year was particularly hard for them as a company after having one of the best ones during sumeru... that sure did reflect on the travelers kit
@@matheusbianquincera3104 Their mistake was thinking the husbando crowd is the buying group. The entire year from Sumeru to Fontaine proved reality ain't like that
@@nonamepasserbya6658 So true, I spent so few wishes in Sumeru and saw so few interesting characters coming in Fontaine that I rolled for C2 Dehya as a F2P and didn't even feel the pinch despite her being a near unusable trainwreck.
Not only that, also visually the they animations are ugly & lazy to look at, every character in game has cool animations & ultimates than traveler's ain't appealing to look at, look at hydro traveler all they do stand there & shot water pellets.
Dude, i bet the hydro traveller was designed within a couple of hours of release. They straight up reused animation, effects, and pose data for their skills.
You really shouldn't be surprised, this is genshin we're talking about. Every hoyo game is stingy in one way or another and genshin is no different, it simply refuses to even throw players a bone. It doesn't even pretend to care. Traveler is a free character which means that in the genshin team's eyes, they shouldn't be good and should only be Walmart versions of other characters.
if only that was the biggest issue. Traveler is suppose to be an inserted NPC of us, but makes Paimon do all the talking... yet our dialog choices make no difference so what is the sense in that? So traveler gets almost zero voice lines.
@@williamwood5566 You're being that guy. The extra effects from the flint ore only push Pyro Traveler to "mid", and unless the C6 extra effect causes the boss arena effects to apply everywhere then I don't see it doing enough to make Pyro Traveler any more worthwhile than they already are (which isn't very).
hydro traveller makes me so sad that they're the worst cuz I was so excited for them and immediately grinded to max them out only to have my DPS Barbara meme build match their damage output and it just hurts man
it bummed me out too because I'm free to play, but the amount of 5 star hydro characters we have compared to 4 stars is ridiculous, so getting access to a lot of hydro units and being able to make use of their strengths is really difficult. Thank god for lantern rite, otherwise I'd probably still be waiting to get xingqiu for god's sake. I almost built my candace just out of desperation. So when hydro traveler was about to drop, I was like thank god, a hydro support I won't have to pay money for. Literally all I needed him to do was not be ass. I was so delusional I even used him a bit in overworld exploration teams, but my dream of bringing him into abyss to make up for my lack of yelan/kokomi/literally anyone else were quickly put to rest. Thank god I saved for furina and neuvillette otherwise I'd still be screwed over a year later 😅
@@kyoken8691now you say it, it's well be cool if in the near future they gave us gadget that can only work when traveler in the team can make him using any suorrin abilities outside natlan or even better mack the night soul system work outside of natlan
I was almost certain that the little dragon guy you get was gonna be your mobility tool for pyro traveler. Like he would suddenly grow once we got our powers, and we'd ride on his back or something.
tbf we already did met our sibling and now it's moreso just us going around teyvat to understand the abyss sibling motives so to speak, but I'm still pissed that the traveler forgot the conversation in the caribert domain with the abyss sibling for bs story reason
@@roach1898 They have to tl;dr the lore for players who don't read books, do world quests and side quests or talk to NPCs that aren't required to complete quests. This is why things like that happen. Hell all of Natlan's AQ is exactly this.
I feel like if maybe they had a feature where every time you C6 a travelers element, they gain a new permanant passive thats applied to all versions, theyd recieve more usage and player insentive to build them. Imagine a Traveler thats C6 Geo Constellation gains a "Rock Body" passive so that being struck by an enemy of an element that can trigger the Cryatalize Reaction for shields, and its usable on traveler to matter what element they are. Or a C6 Hydro Constellation has Penuma and Ouisa applied to all the travelers' different elements. Like Pneuma to Geo and Pyro, and Ouisa to Anemo and Electro, and then in Hydro Traveler can switch between the two with their Charge Attack like Furina can. A C6 Pyro Constellation could make it so all the travelers' elemental forms now deal Nightsoul damage and even gain the Nightsoul Glow during the Skill and Burst attacks of every element. Mske it so players have insentive to build and work with all elemental variants so that the traveler gains new passives that apply to every form.
bro i think hoyo should hire you and fire who the fck that have responsible to designing traveler kit.I think the problem with genshin dev are the fcking "creative" team already in the breaking point and confused how to design interesting kit concept,hence we can see again and again why they just recycle many kit chara.The only solution for this problem are firing this "out of juice" creative team and let the fresh idea come with newcomer
if you compare any traveler element except dendro to both harmony and remembrance trailblazer you can definetly see the difference in care and thought put into the kit
Yes but tbf no 4 star in hsr even comes close to half the strength of the power five, except mayyyybe Herta and Gallagher. You can still clear abyss with just 4 stars in Genshin. I don't see anyone clearing 3.0 Moc with 4 stars. So Genshin has more viable f2p units, MC just isn't one of them.
Heck, even if you compared them with Dendro, there is still a large difference in care and thought. Dendro MC was just lucky that dendro was this busted to begin with. A lesson they learned with hydro.
It's perfectly possible to clear the game with 4 stars and FTP characters, I think. Hunt March, Gallagher, Remembrance TB, Herta, these are all perfectly serviceable units
I really wish they would either allow you to swap elements on the fly, which would at least give them a massive "jack of all trades" role, or at the very least just establish that Traveler Is summoning copies of all her friends, in canon, and that's what her real power is, not her limp elemental attacks. Or, since so many canon fights end up being hitting things with swords, why not just give her massive normals multipliers? That could be handy if you got other characters to infuse her.
It's not just in game play. Story wise it feels like they are just being dragged around the plot now. They are not active participants. The last Dain quest pissed me of so much on how they have the traveler FORGET their reunion with their sibling. And the game mocks them by leaving a picture of said reunion they have NO memories of. Now it feels like they have NO motivation now.
Honestly they cooking with him in natlan and honestly besides all the beffs with Hoyo i can't but think him for that since story wise him is what actually care about honestly+ yah last dain quest besides being overall good it's have some REALLY disappointed parts
@@nargacuga8870 I don't know they still feel like they are being dragged into the plot rather than them joining in because they have a personal reason to as well. You notice they haven't talked about their siblings for a while even though they JUST got a photo of them together that they have NO memory of.
This is exactly why when I watch any cutscene where the traveller displays some kind of awesome powers, my brain dies. I wished they at least adopted some kind of mechanic to aid the traveller, like how wuwa did with the rover. Havoc was good on its own but the first element, spectro got a buff with the introduction of new echo sets (artifact sets basically)
I would love it so much if Pyro MC actually did something interesting with Nightsoul, like regenerate Nightsoul for Natlan characters, or allow any on-field character to enter Nightsoul's Blessing.
That would make him, a free unit, valuable. And Hoyo does not want that, just like standard banner characters they should be mid to useless since they can give them out for free.
Wait, I see a lot of people want that mechanic. You know, the one where it allows all characters to enter Nightsoul's Blessing. The major reason as to why Hoyo does not have any plans of doing that is because it would literally make the Marechausse Hunter Artifact Worthless. Obsidian gives 40 crit rate, remember that
@@B_R_U_H14Worthless?How? we talk here about new teams.. never mentioned traveler is that strong to put my character out of his perfect team to work besides traveler.
@@B_R_U_H14 Strictly speaking, Obsidian Codex 2P only works on-field in Nightsoul's Blessing but the 4P works after consuming Nightsoul Points on the field and lasts for 6 s, so there's ways to make it work without making Marechaussee Hunter worthless on on-fielders or even without affecting any Artifact balance at all: Option 1: Make the on-field unit consume Nightsoul Points immediately and then just stay in Nightsoul's Blessing for a specific duration - the 40% CRIT Rate would only be active for 6 s presumably right after taking the field, leaving Marechaussee Hunter as the better option for characters with long on-field times or with backloaded damage. Option 2: Make the on-field unit generate Nightsoul Points slowly in some way and only consume them after some time or even right when Nightsoul's Blessing ends - it could actually render Obsidian Codex near-worthless or at least less consistent, though it might also work horribly with the current Mavuika's kit so it's probably not an good idea. Option 3: Make the on-field unit only enter Nightsoul's Blessing and leave Nightsoul Point consumption to Pyro MC - this way Obsidian Codex 4P wouldn't even trigger in the first place, which would arguably be best since it would never require you to switch any Artifact Sets when playing with Pyro MC. While of course this wouldn't by itself make Pyro MC a good character and it could pose some issues down the line, ultimately in my eyes there was never a serious reason not to do something with it.
Geo does decent damage. not comparable to most current 5 stars but I still consistently do good damage to the point I've used them to get quite far in abyss runs on Geo teams. the only problem is that they're Geo
@@Tm-dy2bp They are NEVER Gonna run a limited banner for the “Abyss Sibling” EVER; 1, we as players can choose which Twin we want to play as. 2, That would require Hoyoverse to create a system that would decide which Banner to run bases on the Twin a Player chose and that would be complicated so…
As someone who likes Traveller, it sucks how they keep shafting them when the Traveller has been SHOWN to be strong. Not to mention the mystery surrounding their ORIGINAL power that they just sorta dropped the ball on for no reason
My biggest problem is that they are inconsistent. The amount of times we've seen them use the elements as individual instances can be counted on two hands and most of them are in inazuma. I can only assume they don't use them a majority of the time.
@@isdrakon9802 they definitely switch between the elements in the story it’s just that they never show it in-game apart from rare instances like the Childe fight.
@@Useful.48 that's the problem though, we rarely see it used. Even when they should be using the elements we don't see it. Like when Nahida got stabbed, no elements to try and save her
It be neat if Traveler could mix and match elements - i.e you select a skill and burst from among the elements. Not saying it would fix them, but it at least give Aether/Lumine something unique compared to all other characters and would be worth considering in team building - potentially giving 5 elements in a team comp instead of 4.
Funnily enough, I commented the same and, after doing so, I've been all day working on custom kits for the Traveler, that I call "Reaction Traveler" XDDD It's not a "X skill + Y burst" because they barely work with each other, no, I'm making proper kits for almost each reaction (Bloom Traveler, Crystalize Traveler, Vaporize Traveler, etc xD) except the Cryo ones because we don't have a Cryo Traveler to draw from -.-
We love their passives which give their Normal combo an Anemo or Geo infusion, just adding a little Swirl or Crystalize to the end of a combo for some nice synergy. We really wish those passive stayed between whichever element you are.
Nah I'm a FF main and her best team (and one I'm glad to have) is FF/e1 fugue/rm/ lingsha. If Ff is e2s1 its unstoppable and only gets more bullshit with further eids. Hmc was great until fugue came out.
Woulda been nice if we could get specialized outfits for each region. I know its been said before but, it needs to be said again. AND heard this time around.
Its actually crazy how weak traveller is compared to harmony / remembrance trailblazer, starter characters like nicole and anby in zzz, and spectro and havoc rover. I'd say what makes these other characters good is that they innovate and become an exception in some way. Both of those trailblazers are the dawn of a new archetype for the game and provide buffs that arent just flat damage bonuses or stat bonuses, but whole new mechanics that can be built upon with other characters interacting with them. Harmony trailblazer hasnt really fallen off bc they are still the only character that can do what they do aside from fugue, letting you run full sustainless break one-shot teams or two break teams. Meanwhile - nicole from zzz has grouping unlike any other character in the game, provides stats buffs to other characters like crit rate and has very good synergy for a lot of teams, she will be rivaled by astra soon but she still brings value as you need three teams now for some content. The rover is a special case bc they have received buffs after already being out so they work with new echo sets. They are still the only character who can slow down time and have been given high multipliers. Id say what makes a character truly valuable and difficult to powercreep in these gacha games is that "X" factor. They need something no other character can do that goes beyond simple stat buffs. They need something that changes the way the game is played or brings something that cannot be factored fully into damage calculations and can be amplified by and into other characters. Genshin doesn't do that. Every traveller has an archon or sovereign counterpart instead of being their own thing, none of them bring in anything new. The only one who did that is dendro and to a degree pyro, although mavuika came out at the same time so RIP pyro traveller (01/01/2025 - 01/01/2025). Cryo traveller will need to do something actually unique if they are to be good. Like an alternate freeze reaction that brings benefits when against freeze-immune enemies. Like a multiplicative crit damage bonus instead. Otherwise they are cooked.
Agreed tho in recently in the latest patch they (both of the ZZZ MCs in the same scene) tanked a attack that no normal human would in any regard go unscathed in so I’m betting on them being only part human tbh Edit: just clarifying who I meant lol
It sucks that i poured my heart out in nearly every survey over the years, painstakingly providing my thoughts and suggestions, only for them to keep making the same mistakes...
I come here to tell you that they have a shredder under the printer that's coonnected to the mainframe. When somebody sends them a survey, the paper from printer gets shredded immediately
You think they actually read that stuff? At most they probably put all the surveys through some algorithm that tells them how often certain keywords appear.
Poor guy. Ok look they don't read that crap. All I do is copy paste their question and I paced it in the answer box. I did one questionnaire for Wuthering waves to add elemental buffs/debuffs under health bars and guess what? THEY DID. They even asked what characters we want. They gave all kinds of personalities like clumsy, klutz, shy, dominate, happy, sad, what kind of weapon they should use ect. Don't bother with GI. If u like it play it, if it's in a direction u hate move on
What annoys me is how Traveler is praised like their the Messiah even though Mavuika could've done the work herself if the plot hadn't demanded it otherwise. 'no one fights alone.' Yet only Mavuika and the Traveler enter to fight and everyone else cheers on like their incapable of saving themselves. Their unity is a saccharine farce. The Traveler is meant to learn why their sibling is with the Abyss, yet when they could ask the most important questions at the right moment, the story snatches it away from them, forcing them to prolong this journey for the sake of making a profit.
omg this is so true like the whole natlan story feels so off. Everyone praises the traveler for their "contribution" but how could they have known that they'd show up at the right moment to "save natlan" ? Mavuikas plan includes the traveler but what would she do if the traveler never showed up at that time? Also we never got to learn the supposed secret that mavuika would tell us from the trailer. The traveler DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING, they saved some npcs during the war but so did everyone in natlan, Mavuika was the one who ultimately defeated the abyss along with the rest of the chosen heros. Natlan just felt like it was rewritten bc what do you mean this nation had been at war with the abyss for so long yet everyone was saved with the power of friendship THE MOMENT the traveler showed up. Me personally I would've also loved if the tribes of natlan were more competitive and spiteful with each other. "Nation of war" they said. Yet the only war was against the abyss. Yk who would've been a perfect antagonist for the war? The abyss sibling. Traveler could come to natlan to help everyone against the abyss when suddenly the sibling shows up opposing them. We could've had the perfect opportunity for them to actually fight and face each other after so long. When enjou showed up in kinichs story quest I thought the sibling was gonna show up too. The sibling is working on a new leyline system right? Natlan with the night kingdom would've been the perfect country for them to try out the loom of fate. I mean if not in natlan where else could they try it? What pisses me off even more is that the traveler DIDN'T EVEN ASK ABOUT THEIR SIBLING when talking to mavuika like what?? You're telling me our sibling supposedly has already traveled all of teyvat yet we have no mention of them from the archon who's technically from the era our sibling was travelling in ?? Sorry for the long rant but Natlan was a huge disappointment for me. I pray Snezhnaya will be better bc wtf was that.
It's like pokemon, at the end of every episode they have to return to the statue quo, like nothing change between the beginning and the end of the episode, because otherwise story would progress faster than Mihoyo money. I was so fucking done at the last Dain quest when Aether's memory with his sybling was erased, it was completely useless, just to make sure no progress was made about the abyss story.
Not a lore person eh? except maybe you read what is force fed to you through the archon quests? Since Sumeru it has been made clear that traveler is capable of altering fate with their presence. Mavuika would have lost and Natlan then Teyvat, would have again been reset in it's samsara cycle had Traveler not been there. And what is the problem with a business making money? Since when has any media company been like "Oh, that was successful, ok guys, wrap it up, we don't want to make more money (well barring like ubisoft and obsidian with their DEI crap)"?
@@youneversawme.5151 The Abyss and the Abyss Order are two completely different things man. In Natlan, they are attacked by the actual Abyss that came to this world from Nibelung. The Abyss order and the twin aren't involved in this storyline. You forget there is two different stories going on in this The story of the Tsaritsa and the story of the Twin, both who are trying to achieve a similar goal. They are at war with the abyss, not eachother. That was the story 500 years ago. So you saying ''nation of war but only with the abyss'' is meaningless because that was based on a completely different assumption.
It's been a while, but even Fire Trailblazer was an absolute unit. Nearly every advice new players got during the beginning of HSR was to build Fire MC. Even after we got two better sustains later, Acheron came out and Fire TB was her BiS sustain.
and to this day Preservation TB is the only unit that can 100% change the aggro of the enemies with their taunt, so even if they're not as useful anymore they still have that niche
@linkdx7079 Thanks, you reminded me of some old tech. Back when Yanqing was viable, Fire TB was a good sustain for him. It required knowing the enemy attack patterns, and having strong enough shields for enemy AOE, but it did work... Until HMC anyways.
@@gameplayerone3917 No it doesn't. Her BIS sustain is S1 Aven and back then people run Fastqing instead since they knew for a fact that Yanqing can't rely on his useless passive (that doesn't even guarantee)
@linkdx7079 "to this day Preservation TB is the only unit that can 100% change the aggro of the enemies with their taunt" Not true anymore now that we have Boothill and Yunli having taunt
I think it also helped that Harmony and Remembrance Trailblazer pioneered a new mechanic along with their new paths unlike Traveller. In contrast to Traveller being an introduction to the archetype of the element, the Trailblazers introduces *a new function* that we haven't seen before. In the case of Harmony and Remembrance, it's "Super Break" and "True Damage". Currently, we only have on other Super Break enabler being Fugue, but while she's meant to replace Harmony Trailblazer, they ironically make a good pair...
preservation MC is also kinda good ... not meta defining but hes the only char with a taunt that you have 100% control over ... and i actually beat the final sunday fight with him in 2.3 because my first acc had really shit rng ... the only bad Trailblazer is really the very first one which is kinda an oof but still better running than genshin rn
@@toukoenriaze9870 i mean while that sounds good on paper, the issue with hsr power creep is another matter entirely. Hsr releases characters non stop and the meta's become bloated with units, they've reached a point where they need to make and release free characters to avoid some players falling behind because they just can't whale as much. It wasn't a coincidence march hunt form worked well with fei xiao nor was it a coincidence that hmc worked well with ff by comparison genshin release is far slower so it has less pressure on letting players keep up.
@@toukoenriaze9870 march also has a build in taunt on her skill. I used her against Adventurine to direct the dice roll to Pela, all Pela needed to do is to use her ult to roll the dice. Works smoothly every time. (Now that I think about it, march also has an AOE ult. I should had taunted on her lmao)
16:00 It's Genshin, they're not gonna commit to it unless the community collectively speaks up about this to the devs. And we all know how well that's worked in the past
In my opinion main characters like ZZZ's siblings, PGR's commandment, HI3rd's captain or Arkinghts' Doctor are better because you don't have to be disappointed if you hit like a wet noodle when in lore you're supposed to be "him"
The fact that PGR commandant, a character who has no voice, no confirmed design (initially), and little to no lore, shines more than Traveler, really should tell you about how Traveler is written. Mother of Karl from DRG, Traveler not only sucks in gameplay, but also story
I have a few thoughts on this First off the main reason why we are having this conversation is because pyro Traveler was hyped for so long and even denied to us at the beginning and given what hsr was doing with making the mc actually good, this boiled over when we finally got pyro Traveler and they were decent but then we saw that it was a boss exclusive version and the real version is not even mid and just exist to make the boss easier as it heavily recomends a night soul user. Really if they just didn't fake hype the pyro traveler or give a actually good character just for the boss we wouldn't be talking past "another bad traveler" Second i think the gameplay "role" of the Traveler is heavily outdated, not even them just being archon lite them being a introduction to an element does not work when the game is years old but they are also awful at showing what the element is known for while also being very hard to build making them horrible teachers Lastly (and Vars kinda brought this up) the traveler being ao weak in gameplay does hurt the story because they really just dont have much to work with, like if you actually look at it they almost never use elements in cutscenes aside from that electeo dash at times (which we don't even do in gameplay) which makes our character just feel generic and not like this multi element anomaly who has many powers to overwhelm you with or fight in ways that you cant really predict because they aren't limited to one at a time So much more could be done with them but nobody in hoyo is seemingly willing to even take the first stepand would rather glaze another character so they look cool
At the very least Pyro MC has proper teams & use cases, unlike the rest (aside from Dendro). They're VERY good for Burgeon & serviceable for Burning or any teams that can benefit from Scroll. But somehow they're still able to find a way to make Traveler painful to use: Despite everything that happened throughout Natlan's Archon Quest, Pyro MC is still NOT considered as a Natlan Unit. This means that they CANNOT trigger Nightsoul Burst on their own, nor can they help to reduce its cooldown. Without an actual Natlanese in the team, you can't make use of 2pc Scroll & half of their own A4 can't even be activated.
Are you actually play Pyro MC? Because Pyro Mc CAN USE those Natlan artifact (it not even based on which characters is Natlanese, just required Night soul)
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hino no, you have to read that part carefully cos it's easy to miss it what traveler has access to are the nightsoul's blessing (the state with the glowey effect) and nightsoul points. this means traveler can fully use both the obsidian codex 2pc and 4pc as long as they are on field, and the 4pc scroll set BUT when you read the info about nightsoul burst, the requirements are 1. elemental damage and 2. NATLAN character. since traveler still counts as an outlander, they won't be able to get the 6 energy from the scroll 2pc (needs nightsoul burst to proc), and pyro traveler needs to burst as often as possible for maximum skill uptime, since their energy generation might as well not exist
Another thing that makes Pyro MC feel extremely underwhelming (paired with the giga C6 buffs only in the weekly boss fight) is that we waited SO LONG to get them? The fact that we waited through 5.0, 5.1, AND 5.2 gave the impression that Pyro Traveler might actually be something worthwhile. And then it's just the usual extreme mid.
As a former Aether main: the way Pyro Traveler was handled made me so disappointed it actually triggered me to take a break off the game, there's no character that shows more the state of the Mihoyo and the community, not listening and not caring. Like, do they really think Traveler being decent would take away from pulling for an Archon? I don't know you guys but if I don't like an Archon in personality/design/gameplay the fact that they do big DMG isn't going to make me switch my tone (which is exactly why I didn't pull for Mavuika). Also they're setting up people for not caring for Traveler with this approach, like, think about it. It would be so immersive to have them your team and pulling for characters would feel like you're getting their allies and/or friends to help them on their journey and because you see them all the time you eventually would feel compelled to hear their voice lines and learn so much more about them but BECAUSE the Traveler is so bad people don't even bother to look at them outside the main story (because we already know nobody reads world quests) AND THEY DONT TALK OVER THERE. You completely forget about THE MAIN CHARACTER until an Archon quest, like, that's insane 😭
I understand not pulling mavuika because of her design and game play, but i'm surprised you don't like her personality. Besides that though everything you said about the traveler is valid, the way they treat them is horrendous, especially after what they did with hydro mc.
@@ninjah773 I didn't phrase it correctly I apologize! So a correction: I was talking about the traits that make me pull or not for an Archon and I mistakenly mentioned Mavuika because she was the first Archon that came to mind as I had Natlan in the forefront of my mind while writing my comment. She's not a bad character I'm just not her target audience haha
@@annoyingexistence4622 oh ok. I was just surprised is all because I haven't heard anyone say they dislike Mavuika as a character instead of the usual motorcycle hate, but yea not every character is for everyone right.
@@ninjah773I don't care about the motorcycle as I like the Herrscher of Reason, but it's just such an uninspired kit following the likes of Furina and Nahida. I don't know if I'll ever upgrade her from a lvl 1 teapot decoration.
HSR Is just really smart with their mc, by making hmc powerful and necessary for break teams you're locked out of rmc unless you pulled for fugue the patch before.
@@shironasama0445thats a stupid statement. Devs cared enough to make a free alternative unit that enables specific playstyle even with all 6 eidolons unlocked and that is somehow not worth praising
@shironasama0445 1) hmc is far from being decent. 2) The powercreep issue only makes things better for mc in general. If they were either terrible or pull for characters, this situation would be worse. But they are free. They give you an opportunity to fight against this massive powercreep for free. Heck, one of the best teams in the incluides Firefly and, you guessed it, the mc. Don't get me wrong: i'm not praising the powercreep, nor how they are handling the game. But be honest: would you rather the mc to be great or terrible? That was the main topic.
@@Otherface Great for how long, exactly? Because you surely know break will not remain as good as it is. How else do you expect they sell new characters than just increasing the HP pool, and changing the enemy mechanics.
Oh boy, I've been stewing on this one for awhile now... they way the devs fumbled the traveler's kits in some way bothers me to no end: Hydro: I'm not harping on that kit further becase it's so deliberately bad, ( The name of its elemental skill is wasted on it.) Pyro: decent off field, LOATHE the fact that he's at his strongest in a weekly boss Electro: mid battery and should've had his c6 be an electro infusion to really hammer home the simularity to ei's kit. Dendro:... pretty good actually, in spite of nahida being THE crutch for any and every dendro based reactions Geo: has it's niche uses, but lack luster in the facr that the skill Is just two placeable rocks, they could've created a field where where it apples geo dmg off field and still be considered a construct so it could make up for its naming scheme ("starfell sword" and its a fucking rock? Seriously??) Anemo: the skill ain't bad, the i prefer the burst to stay stationery live venti's burst, but the burst aint that bad. And the egregious part about this? We've been shown in cutscenes multiple time that the traveler can change without the statues, I feel like the respective kits could have been way stronger If they weren't base of the nation's respective rulers. Why have a main character who's supposed to be strong in lore weak in-game? The bare minimum they could've did to make them unique as their own character IS to allow us to change elements with the statues.
Tbh I could excuse Geo and Anemo Traveler due to it being the beginning of the game. However, I hate that HYV doesn't give players a chance to use them in regular teams (other than Dendro which is actually viable). Anemo and Geo could be excused somewhat due to their early game status. Anemo could still be relevant considering the res shred and the ability to hold VV set, while Geo can work as an OK/even good DPS. Electro is terrible, but it can still find its uses in very niche teams (like sethos iirc). Dendro is good only because the element itself is good. Hydro is an abomination. They took Anemo Traveler's kit and made it worse (moving burst that can't be stopped, being forced to stay still while casting 'hold' skill.) Except Anemo Traveler's burst can be stopped and their skill can at least suck in enemies and stun them to avoid being damaged. Pyro is an OK support but it's clear HYV only released them as a way of getting people to pull for Mavuika. It sucks so bad that they're only strong in the boss fight.
@@youreasimp5232 pretty much, my only issue with the travelers kits for each element Is that they lack something that would have been vital or Something within those respective kits should've changed and That would have made them way better, I think anemo traveler's kit Would've Been way stronger if the burst didn't move.... That and the naming schemes, How are you going to have an attack name "starfell sword" and its just a rock?? Not even a sword shaped rock, it's just a rock.😭😭😭
This was one of the best things ZZZ did, the main character is integrated into the story really well. Belle and wise actually speak and have personalities, and because they’re not playable units I don’t have to sacrifice playing them for the sake of a strong party. Another good thing is that you’re always given trial units for story mode,
Tbh Traveler being so middling almost discourages finding oculi, as one of the cooler rewards is Traveler Constellations... and the idea of supporting the Traveler traveling through a unique exploration-based system is cool. But since Traveler sucks so hard, it kinda prompts less excitement. Imo Traveler should gain some system counting total (Traveler) constellations, so all Traveler forms get better base stats the more elements you've (fully) mastered, and every anemoculus or cryoculus is adding to your power or advancing each form towards a higher ceiling
When I first played the game I watched traveler vs childe cutscene, and wondered why traveler can't switch elements in gameplay? no I wondered more about why I should touch the statue to change from element to another every fking time? "recently knew genshin is the only one doing that lmao and there are defenders for this" And never knew it was just the start
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hi Destruction and Preservation TBs are very good units for new players who don't know how to play the game yet or have none of the 5* on limited banners... yet.
@@franciscodetonne4797 Same for Anemo, Geo in both puzzles solving & combat for newbie But because Gerpard, a standard 5* is more better than Fire Trailblazer (He even Free back then & even the 2nd time free right now )
@@franciscodetonne4797 No they don't, especially considering that HSR gives free standard units every anni (granted they are also not better than him and they only do that cause HSR standards are 3x worse than Genshin standards)
They could save the character and make them interresting to play by allowing you to swap your burst using any element unlocked. So say you go to the statut of the seven in inazuma to get the electro skill and passive then in the menu swap the burst to get the dendro burst for exemple. I don't think it would be broken considering how weak each skill and burst are compared to recent 5 star, and it would be cool to use multiple element like in the cutscene.
for a LITTLE more clarification on Pyro Traveler, because Vars conveniently forgets a copule of things: - Skill has TWO modes: Hold mode, which does the aforementioned coordinated attack with Pyro application once every 3 seconds, but it also has a TAP mode, which does damage intervals *every single second,* with pyro application once every 3 seconds (because standard ICD). This makes the tap version VERY suitable for Burgeon teams because you get Burgeon explosions every second, as well as Overload teams that use an electro onfielder such as Clorinde if your Xiangling is hanging out in your (Raiden) National, Mualani, Kinich or Reverse Melt teams. the damage will obviously be quite a lot less than Xiangling, but you have *more options* if you need two teams with an Off field Pyro applier, and Pyro Traveler really only needs about 160-180 ER when you use a Favonius wielder on the team, which is common for Chevreuse to have in Overload teams. A lot more managable than Xiangling. - The burst is MEATY. We're talking about a *907% multiplier* at a crowned talent level at C5 (talent level 13). The only characters that have higher burst nuke multipliers are Zhongli, Kirara, Wriothesley's total multiplier count (270x5), Childe's Melee stance burst, Scaramouche's total burst hit tally, Eula (for obvious reasons lol), Raiden Shogun's initial burst slash *base* multiplier is LOWER but she gets additional bonuses from her stacks and whatnot. Sara's, Arlecchino's and Lyney's bursts have a lower multiplier. Any character I did not mention has a burst nuke with lower multipliers at their maximum talent level. with a full Cinder City build in a Bennett Kazuha Citlali team, I did 180K burst nukes on Melt and Vaporize. - Traveler's C6 gives a Pyro infusion while in the Nightsoul state while ALSO getting an additional 40% Crit DMG bonus on top of that, making them an actual onfield DPS, while also benefitting from the damage buffs their earlier constellations give (C1's 15% dmg bonus, C4's 20% Pyro dmg bonus for 9 seconds after using their burst). So to recap: Are they an amazing meta-prevalent unit: No, not at all. Are they a decent alternative for off field application if you don't want madam motorbike or miss "I need 300ER and 2 Favonius users in my team without Bennett", with some additional utilities that can make them an easy option for players to try out other teams such as Burgeon and Overload? Yes, yes they are. I would've like them to also have the 'healing on burst' constellation we get in the story boss so they could work well with Furina too, but alas.
Thanks for bringing this up. Pyro Traveler might not be amazing but it's still my favorite kit we've gotten for them since Anemo traveler on release. It feels good to play, the ult hits really hard, and the flexibility of the skill feels great for using on different teams. I didn't know about the C6 but while I was really hoping to get the Pyro waves from the boss fight, this sounds almost as good in terms of making them be able to fight on field.
the longer genshin go, the truer the theory that said Hoyo actually hates Genshin. the only way to redeem this is by having light and dark element exclusively traveler good element, because now they don't need to play the second fiddle to the higher authority. this thematically works too because traveler finally in his own element, not foreign power given to him.
They couldve made the traveller with a good kit profitable through various means: skins. Different signature (limited) weapons for each elements. 7th constellations to make them better. Etc. There are ways to make the traveler both GOOD and make money off the character.
@@wewuzkangz2505 this guy is vehemently defending any and all decisions they've made in the comments. I've seen him before, despite his username, he is not very logical.
Hydro MC was so pathetic that I forgot about him for the whole duration of the Fontaine... once Natlan came up I sort of just looked at him and activated his constellations... and then just switched him back to dendro...
Also the Pyro Traveler doesn't get a mount during his night soul. Since we got so many pyro main dps, they should have given him a summon that does better off field pyro application cause having to be really close for tap skill doesn't feel good for certain teams like Mualani for example, but the held version seems more ideal for KInich since he does a lot of fast normal hits during his skill
It wouldn’t be nearly as annoying if the story didn’t paint MC as this super confident, world-famous, larger-than-life warrior that rubs elbows with powerful political figures and fights on par with legends. Seeing MC freely swap elements in cutscenes is infuriating as well
The worst part about pyro traveler is they didn’t get a Natlan vehicle…I was hoping they would fly a little like a rocket. xD doesn’t have to be as good as the other vehicles just anything would have been cool! But nope nada…just hate.
Despite loving her as a character, I refuse to get Nahida purely because DMC is good enough already. It would actually be such overkill for my account if I ever got her.
I'm still really curious what the endgame of the Traveler will look like. Maybe they'll get a huge powerboost in the future, actually being able to switch between all Elements and being stronger in general with all of them. Or even getting a new Element. Either way, yea its sad what they've done to our boy/girl so far but I'm still looking forward to the potential future. Just hope its not gonna end in disappointment 💀
The thing that they don't understand about Traveler is this: If you make them strong/decent then it makes players want to continue playing the game, if they are free to play. It will show them that the company is "generous" and "fair" and maybe convince them that maybe they can spend a bit since things won't be too hard. Traveler being good/great isn't going to make people suddenly NOT want Mavuika / Citlali, etc... Gooners will Goon. If a game is too obnoxious with free to play stuff, then people will drop the game. It's in their best interest to make the MC good/great. If they are worried about that, they could make them great in a niche, like great for hyperbloom, or great for burgeon, etc... The traveler's stats, despite being "five star" are FOUR star stats with ATTACK as their main ascension stat...absolutely garbage.
I’ve been enjoying Pyro MC quite a bit. They can hold Cinder City really well and slot into teams like Cheveruse overload, Kinich, Mualani, and some vape teams pretty well
you know how they could fix this issue by just making the traveler swap elements on the fly narratively it makes sense and mechanically it makes sense and would fill the jack of all trades that the traveler is supposed to be
I do like Anemo traveler, the burst works very well against enemies in the early game but later regions have less enemies that can be vacuumed up by anemo abilities. It's simple and fun to use, so I'd say it meets expectations. For Geo and Electro: It takes too much work to actually find and use the synergy/utility they are meant to offer, so why bother?
Anemo traveler really designed to be new player friendly. It has decent AOE performance enough to kill a mob of hilichurls guarding the chests. In short, every traveler before pyro were never meant to be a damage dealer or a useful support. It meant to complement the exploration required for each region. U need electro traveler just to farm sakura bloom, u also need hydro traveler to solve puzzles that requires consistent hydro application. And to make my traveler actually useful for combat, i have a brilliant idea to built traveler in full physical mode. I got 5 star physical dmg bonus sword from standard banner, painstakingly build my physical artifact and i crowned EVERY SINGLE normal attack at first for each element. That's how i make traveler actually fun to play in open world before pyro update. Now i used him as a pyro off field for my lcorinde and as a physical dmg backup when my clorinde entered downtime.
you really shouldnt have even mentioned anemo traveler ... the ultimate is completely dysfunctional because auto targeting and no suction to the tornado unless your right inside it ... the E skill pushes enemies all over the place if you ever want to use it ... the only thing its even partially useful for is a bit of resist shred
I think the main character should be the best at their job, but that one job is the only thing that they can do. Harmony Trailblazer and Fugue are probably the best example. While Fugue can do more stuff on top of Super Break Damage, her's is still weaker compared to Harmony Trailblazer.
I still can't forget those pressure plate puzzles in Liyue that basically required Geo MC... After that, I haven't even thought about using the traveler again
It's fine that Traveler is a mini-Archon, because you can then have a second "archon" in the second team if you need it... IF they actually got the kits tuned to be halfway worthwhile to run. EDIT: It was obvious that Neuvillette is the Archon version of Hydro Traveler. It reflects the Fontaine story perfectly. Again, the shitty part is that Traveler is Traveler's kit is TOO FAR diminished.
Its been pointed out by others that traveler's kit is way closer to the dragon sovereign of each region as opposed to the archon. You can see this more easily with the Apep boss fight vs the dendro traveler (the burst is the 2nd phase intro) and compare that to how Nahida looks and feels. This makes me wonder about the Electro dragon sovereign and start looking for parallels to the traveler's kit.
It has been proven several times that good existing units won’t make people not pull for who they like. Look at the arlecchino-mavuika situation. Don’t make traveler archon-type overpowered, but something that matches the story and relevance
There's a new element coming. Maybe Traveler will be higher tier then. They know they can't ignore the main character. Pyro Traveler was just a starting point. Also consider they gave pyro Traveler 12 constellations. Makes you wonder they plan to do the same to existing elements.
When i used to play (fell off during fontaine) I was a traveler main all the way through, used all 4 of their elements and can count on 1 hand the situations where they WEREN'T in my lineup. I found playing with lumine to be pretty fun, and when i got some of the archon characters like Zhongli, that just meant i could switch her element to electro and act as a battery for the team (it helped that i stacked a huge amount of energy recharge, had sacrificial sword to double her skill usage and get more energy, and got a noblesse oblige set as my goal was to use her bursts as often as possible and be a general support so i didnt have to switch relic sets constantly). So believe me that hydro traveller was absolutely RAGE INDUCING for me and literally unusable. It just dampened my enthusiasm so bad when i was already getting burnt out from genshin. Literally all they had to do was let the burst pick up smaller enemies (like anemo traveler) or stop when it hits an enemy (like ayakas burst) so it could do continuous damage and i probably would have been satisfied. I'm not even interested in going back to the game and going through hours and hours of standing around and talking- i mean the archon quests- that would be required to get the pryo element for lumine.
My ideal Pyro Traveler would've finally put an end to Bennett's circle impact. Maybe he'd have the same skill, but after popping his burst the active character gets a portion or all of his Base ATK like Bennett ult without healing.
What I like about Wuwa main character is that his strenght in the story is relfected in his kit. He isn't just strong in cutscene, he is strong when you play him, which can only help the power fantasy. Even better, his second form (havok) is much stronger than his first one (spectro), which is lore accurate with the story cutscene where he turn havok to get a power boost
idea to BUFF mc. check prismatic subclass in destiny 2. basically if/when you allow the MC to swap elements out of combat. allow people to mix and match the skills, talents, constelations, on a rainbow element geo skill, dendro ult, the talent from anemo that adds element to the 5th attack, constelation that adds ult uptime, element res shred when you swirl (prob change to all transformative reactions but hey) it could really spice up the mc gameplay and maybe even end up with a half decent unit by the end of it
Would you consider doing a bit of a character guide on the pyro traveler for those of us who actually are using it in teams actively? Even if you consider it mediocre, as you say, they have a spot in people who do not have Mavuika. My Xilonen hypecarry (laugh and get a taste of rollerskates) team is using the pyro MC quite interestingly :)
bro you literally dont need a guide, either give sacrificial sword and cinder city set or give a 5* dps sword option with codex set, also reminder that c6 will give a infusion with 40% cdmg bonus to normal attacks
@@meliho27 I know I do not *need* a guide. I mean, I am literally already using the character actively, In abyss 12 even. In addition, a 2nd set of eyes might show something I have missed or give me new ideas. But being absolutely honest, the reason I want the video is literally for fun and entertainment purposes.
i won't say anything in case you don't like leaks/spoilers but their c6 has been known since their kit was first leaked at the start of 5.2, because all of their constellations are already in the game's code
Literally they could have just made the secondary weekly boss effects a permanent thing for Traveller, just nerfed. I'm talking miniscule stat buffs of like 5% of the 40% Crit Rate, and it would have improved them tremendously. Because see, the weekly boss is designed to be taken down by the Traveller. All those extra buffs are nice, but the level at which they are applied is overkill. So by allowing them to have a permanent but tiny stat buff, it actually gives them at least a small benefit over other units in that they are easier to build. This makes them way better for f2p units, but doesn't raise their damage to Limited 5 Star status.
Considering the state Cryo is in, they have ONE last chance to make Aether/Lumine good. They have to make them a great catalyst for other Cryo characters along with the Archon. That is the only thing they can do at this point…
I actually feel like they should make all the travelers around the same strength as DMC and PMC (of course it'd be nice if they were stronger but I honestly think that's *enough*). I'm fine with the archons powercreeping traveler and just being a better version of them, that's kinda their entire purpose. Besides I don't think that makes them COMPLETELY irrelevant. Just put them in the second half of the abyss instead. I still use DMC sometimes today because he's actually alright
Playing the most interesting characters in the game (travellers) but we cant even get anything about their backgrounds. They are possibly immortal, aliens, powerful... We have no idea of their origins, powers, hell we dont even know their age, their homeworld, why they left, how they travel, their parents, etc... Its not like they have amnesia. Im more interested in where they come from and why they travel. Its lazy writing, especially with them being powerful beings that seem to be the weakest characters until a cutscene happens. Its such a disconnect and cheap.
Problem with Traveler is that you have to rebuild the character each time you get a new element, and if you want to switch element you have to switch weapons and artifacts. HSR gives you an OP MC and you can switch paths with a single click... I'm still using Dendro Traveler for story purposes because that's the main reason you have it.
A fix for all of that was just to double or triple the damage/duration of the skills of each element and people will be fine with it, because damage is what matters. Or Hoyo can give us an amalgamation of each of Traveler's skills (hopefully by the time we reach celestia)
the thing that makes things even worse is the traveler is the one exception that they are allowed to buff and nerf because they are fully free unit and cant spend money(technically resources grind is the only thing you can technically pay something for). they can actually adjust anything about these units, but theyve never once touched them after release.
This is hoyo we talking about. THEY HATE BUFFING UNITS. Neuv got straight up nerfed and they only walk it back due to pissed off CN whales. If they got away with it they would have nerfed all the others like Arle as well
@@nonamepasserbya6658 the main reason they cant is because of the fact they can get sued for doing any of this. the main reason neuv was so significant is because it was considered a selling point for people, and there are a few that did get him because of the spin to win. at no point in all the time he was in the game, or any of the bug repotes that i know people had sent in did this every get acknowledged that this was a even unintended interaction, so people publiclly considered it a part of his kit on how he controlled. any of the MCs are actually exempted from this because their ENTIRE KIT IS FREE WELL ALSO CANT BE PAID FOR, so its not under the consideration of being able to get sued for the laws china has(this is my understanding on how the laws are worded, so take with a grain of salt). and to add more to this, one of the main things that genshin tryed to do as long as they could is to not allow power creep seep in as hard to other gacha games, it was a much slower increase for at least the first 2ish years. so i would actually directly disagree that they would change the balance of the game, but they pigeoned them self into this hole the moment they choose a gacha game.
@@drantino Then again, the whole thing happened, because the C6 spin to win was not even doable on console. Therefore, people using the trick were bug abusing
Arknights is a pretty good example of giving you good free units. There are plenty of guides on completing story missions (which get pretty hard) with only free units and a high-level support unit. I often use them as a baseline guide for team comp and strategy with my stronger units, but I still use some of these free units in my basic lineup. Fuck, Myrtle is a super powerful character for DP (the points you generate to deploy units) generation, and is arguably a staple unit. And Amiya, the "protagonist" character of Arknights, is a solid character in all of her variants as the campaign goes on.
is it too difficult to make the traveler a good support/dps? Hsr made both harmony and remembrance trailblazer broken and wuthering waves did the same.
Eh, Anemo MC is definitely not the worst anemo character right now. they were bad because their burst. Now that there is a boss in every abyss and a single target side. 60% res shred for 10 seconds no questions asked is absolutely not the worst thing you can get right now. Lynette is just bad and Heizou is bad sucrose. Venti is strictly worse than Traveler in single target and aoe that can't be grouped because anemo mc shreds more. Your Traveler vs Archon comparison is also extremely forced. GMC isn't a support they are a sub dps and actually out damages Albedo with proper investment. They have almost nothing comparable beyond constructs. Raiden and EMC are both batteries, but Raiden is an on fielder. This creates a very obvious spilt in their roles. Raiden can't battery carries, she's awful at it. EMC can't battery sub dps and supports. Also, Raiden and EMC are both standard ICD so no Raiden can't apply electro more consistently. PMC was never going to keep those buffs. PMC sheets for over 70k dps without their C6 using the Bennett infusion instead. That's more than several limited carries. With those buffs they'd be second to Mavuika. PMC is also just pretty objectively not mediocre. Also Stop doing N1C it's a much worse combo than N2C. PMC is also not worse than Standard banners when they out dps Keqing and Tighnari by a very large margin. 55k dps vs 73k is a huge gap.
also I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea for Traveller to get big cool bonuses for weekly bosses or domains only, like Pyro has for natlan's current weekly boss, making them a character you get to use for speedier grinding would actually be a unique design aspect that might make them used more, if only for co-op domains. would be at least better than their current state
In defense of anemo traveler, they're actually a really strong sub dps during the early game thanks to instructor's free 200 em. Dendro and pyro are also competent. Hydro can do this thing called "fuck off" tho
with the traveler being able to get all the elements I hope means they get a future form for only them where they can pick a different element for their moves letting them be unique vs the other characters. that way they can make their own element interactions.
I remember coming back from my 8-month-long Genshin hiatus, going to Fontaine, thinking "ooh, Dendro Traveler was a step up! Let's see how Hydro Traveler is!", triggering the pew pew water gun, LAUGHING FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, and never switching him to Hydro again. I didn't even bother to use Pyro MC recently besides the archon quest, I think I'll just stick to Dendro.
I don't believe they made Traveler this bad because they are free so they won't generate revenue, I believe they did Traveler this bad because of bad decisions on character design. We don't have to look so far. We can see if they want, they can make their MC good in THEIR other games. I know Mihoyo has different teams to work on different games. All I can think is the team working on Genshin's characters don't know how to make an MC. (or some higher ups are being greedy as always to make their own teams fail so they can sell other characters more which I find pathetic because they are too ignorant to see they damage their own product with greed. Not just their MC but their whole product.)
Greed is always the answer for hoyo. Look no further than Mizuki to see how much they hate giving free things. HSR merely needed MC to be good as a gateway bait for expensive teams that were lacking characters (sans Firefly)
Pyro Traveler has an additional problem: You can unlock Dendro Traveler and (ostensibly) Hydro traveler *super* early in progression. Electro traveler requires quest progression to get to Inazuma, but that's the second area you visit.
Pyro requires progressing Natlan's ENTIRE story to unlock, and a ludicrous amount of the game's overall story. The vast majority of players went into that unlock with a full roster of high leveled characters.
If there's ANY merit to making a free character strong, it's that level of time investment.
Harmony and Remembrance TB have very similar unlock requirements (though you could speed up Harmony's) but are far, FAR stronger.
He’ll, I felt like we unlocked Rememberance TB really early on and even in just 1 patch can completely e6 them without difficulty by just doing the story!
You can skip to natlan
As someone who ended up really underinvested but with pyro mc, I belong to the admittedly small group that actually benefits from it
@@Somehuy77-kp4rz still doesnt deny the fact you have to progress pretty far into the archon quest to get pyro traveler while the others you can just touch a statue
I don't think Trailblazer's unlock requirement is comparable at all. In fact they're the easiest to unlock by far, the entire Amphoreus story is planned for the whole 3.x version but we can get Remembrance TB to e6 in the current 3.0
And Harmony TB can be received before you even get to Penacony
Cryo Traveler's skill will throw a snowball at enemies dealing 100 damage, and his burst will summon a group of ice cream from the sky to shower the enemy with dealing 1000 damage. Both cooldowns will be 30 seconds. Burst cost is 80.
@@ArcueidBrunestuddo 🙌🏿 peak cinema
The ice cream is to heal everyone, including the enemies
@@10goku83 they wouldn't be that bad
Ice cream will give your team dibettus
I know this is a joke comment but the chances of this being cryo travelers kit is so high its sad
Hoyo in the schneznaya update: There will be no cryo Traveler for story reasons
Players: and nothing was lost
But I hear that their will be a unique element
I'll be honest, I would be perfectly okay if they killed Traveler in Nod-Krai 6.0+.
We could go in 7.0 to main Snezhnaya with resurrected 3rd descender or something.
@@danielseus1005 ...and they will find a way to still make that version of mc trash.
@@SmithyPL well i mean killing the main traveller seems overkill but from the way they treat mc anyway, dying in epic battle seems better than being continued to be treated like a literal donkey a55
@@TheWindows72306 traveler and mavuika were literally killed in night kingdom at 5.3 archon mission but ended up respawned again thanks to kachina shouting that poetry that i dont remember what is the title.
The only improvement I see is the Traveller upgraded from using the Dull Blade to Prototype Rancour sword
😂😂😂😂
It _is_ pretty sad that I was actually kinda hyped when that happened. But dang did it make no sense to use that ugly ass blade for so long. Why not at least start off with Silver Sword? You get it right away and it at least doesn't look like complete garbage. Should have had Prototype Rancour by the Liyue Archon quest though, and by now at least a standard banner 5* like Skyward.
My headcanon is that the Prototype Rancour is Aether’s sword while the Iron Sting is Lumine’s.
@@davidxencaster6406 if the dragonspine 1 and 2 events were permanent then those 2 swords become options for cannon weapon; also completing or approaching the end of each nations's quest should have as 1 of the rewards a single copy of that nation's signature 4* sword
and thats because the sword had some highlights (when mavuika captain and travleler weapons were shown together) in the archon quest otherwise they will be still using dull blade.
The most painful part is that there are so many alternatives they should've used. The Festering Desire of Dragonspine, which was explicitly stated to be only usable by the Traveler because of their resistance to the Abyss, or the Narzissenkreuz sword from the Fontaine world quests chain, or heck, if we want to limit ourselves to low-rarity weapons that everyone are guaranteed to get, how about the The Traveler's Handy Companion? It's a decent looking three star sword you get from Monstadt chests, and it's literally called *The Traveler's Handy Companion*!
That said, I think the obvious thing should've been changing the Traveler's sword in cinematics based on the region. Silver Sword in Monstadt, Prototype Rancour in Liyue, Anemona Kageuchi in Inazuma, Sapwood Blade in Sumeru, Finale of the Deep in Fontaine, and finally Flute of Ezpitzal in Natlan.
They def made Travelers so dirty
and saying that "making it good isnt profitable", just look at the Traiblazers and March 7th, they were so good that it helped a new meta rise up, which had the most awaited or liked characters
sadly, meta and casual arent mixable. and genshin is a very casual game with a very few engaging endgame content.
Yeah, but HSR meta switches around every time a new patch drops, so not that surprising.
And pray tell, why should the devs care about metas in relation to wanting to sell ppl new characters?
@@mihacimpric745You say this but TB and March are still meta to this day
@@kurimiaisukurimu And how long will that last?
Trailblazer can pioneer an entirely unique archetype to themself but Traveler can't have a god damn cigar.
Bringing out the ancient memes now. Boy did I get whiplash.
You triggered my sciatica with that reference how fucking dare you 😭
not even an ult animation
Funny how they have the same role to introduce a new playstyle, yet Trailblazer did it 10x better
i sometimes forget vars also makes league videos
Hydro traveler needs to be studied.
Like what were they smoking 💀💀
Lol
Dawey did say that Fontaine's year was particularly hard for them as a company after having one of the best ones during sumeru... that sure did reflect on the travelers kit
@@matheusbianquincera3104 Their mistake was thinking the husbando crowd is the buying group. The entire year from Sumeru to Fontaine proved reality ain't like that
As if we didn't have a lot of female characters every region@@nonamepasserbya6658
@@nonamepasserbya6658 So true, I spent so few wishes in Sumeru and saw so few interesting characters coming in Fontaine that I rolled for C2 Dehya as a F2P and didn't even feel the pinch despite her being a near unusable trainwreck.
Traveler's kit for almost every element is so beyond lazy it's almost offensive.
Not only that, also visually the they animations are ugly & lazy to look at, every character in game has cool animations & ultimates than traveler's ain't appealing to look at, look at hydro traveler all they do stand there & shot water pellets.
Dude, i bet the hydro traveller was designed within a couple of hours of release.
They straight up reused animation, effects, and pose data for their skills.
You really shouldn't be surprised, this is genshin we're talking about. Every hoyo game is stingy in one way or another and genshin is no different, it simply refuses to even throw players a bone. It doesn't even pretend to care. Traveler is a free character which means that in the genshin team's eyes, they shouldn't be good and should only be Walmart versions of other characters.
@@manjunath414 😭😂💀🤣
if only that was the biggest issue. Traveler is suppose to be an inserted NPC of us, but makes Paimon do all the talking... yet our dialog choices make no difference so what is the sense in that? So traveler gets almost zero voice lines.
Pyro MC only being strong in the weekly boss is so absurdly stingy.
Not to be that guy, but if you collect blazing flint ore and go to capitano's throne, you can unlock bonus effects for pyro traveller's constellations
@@williamwood5566 which aren't as powerful as the ones in the boss fight
@@Zuh_Hybursa yeah but at least there are extra effects 🤷
@@williamwood5566 You're being that guy. The extra effects from the flint ore only push Pyro Traveler to "mid", and unless the C6 extra effect causes the boss arena effects to apply everywhere then I don't see it doing enough to make Pyro Traveler any more worthwhile than they already are (which isn't very).
Thats the biggest Middle finger que could have get
hydro traveller makes me so sad that they're the worst cuz I was so excited for them and immediately grinded to max them out only to have my DPS Barbara meme build match their damage output and it just hurts man
I just play hydro traveler with low investment in a hyperbloom archon team..
@@GReyn i would but alas, I have neuvilette cuz he's cool and is friend of melusines. also DPS barb because funny
it bummed me out too because I'm free to play, but the amount of 5 star hydro characters we have compared to 4 stars is ridiculous, so getting access to a lot of hydro units and being able to make use of their strengths is really difficult. Thank god for lantern rite, otherwise I'd probably still be waiting to get xingqiu for god's sake. I almost built my candace just out of desperation. So when hydro traveler was about to drop, I was like thank god, a hydro support I won't have to pay money for. Literally all I needed him to do was not be ass. I was so delusional I even used him a bit in overworld exploration teams, but my dream of bringing him into abyss to make up for my lack of yelan/kokomi/literally anyone else were quickly put to rest. Thank god I saved for furina and neuvillette otherwise I'd still be screwed over a year later 😅
Pyro traveler is also the only nightsoul user without a mobility tool. They could've given em something to at least make them feel interesting.
his only nightsoul is just existing 🙃
Technically MC's "unique" mobility is their ability to turn into saurians. But yeah not having a mobility ability ties to their skills is sad.
@@kyoken8691now you say it, it's well be cool if in the near future they gave us gadget that can only work when traveler in the team can make him using any suorrin abilities outside natlan or even better mack the night soul system work outside of natlan
I was almost certain that the little dragon guy you get was gonna be your mobility tool for pyro traveler. Like he would suddenly grow once we got our powers, and we'd ride on his back or something.
@GANTZ100pts such a goat theory, i really wish rathalos (lil buddy) stay with us his one of the best things in natlan
When I last was this early Traveler was still looking for their sibling.
fr no sense of urgency lol
tbf we already did met our sibling and now it's moreso just us going around teyvat to understand the abyss sibling motives so to speak, but I'm still pissed that the traveler forgot the conversation in the caribert domain with the abyss sibling for bs story reason
@@roach1898 They have to tl;dr the lore for players who don't read books, do world quests and side quests or talk to NPCs that aren't required to complete quests. This is why things like that happen. Hell all of Natlan's AQ is exactly this.
@@tengkualiffthere is none cause we finished that part 3 years ago
So like 2 years ago? I forgot when it was that they first met up.
Make a good Traveler or draw 25 cards
Hoyo: draws 150 cards
I feel like if maybe they had a feature where every time you C6 a travelers element, they gain a new permanant passive thats applied to all versions, theyd recieve more usage and player insentive to build them.
Imagine a Traveler thats C6 Geo Constellation gains a "Rock Body" passive so that being struck by an enemy of an element that can trigger the Cryatalize Reaction for shields, and its usable on traveler to matter what element they are.
Or a C6 Hydro Constellation has Penuma and Ouisa applied to all the travelers' different elements. Like Pneuma to Geo and Pyro, and Ouisa to Anemo and Electro, and then in Hydro Traveler can switch between the two with their Charge Attack like Furina can.
A C6 Pyro Constellation could make it so all the travelers' elemental forms now deal Nightsoul damage and even gain the Nightsoul Glow during the Skill and Burst attacks of every element.
Mske it so players have insentive to build and work with all elemental variants so that the traveler gains new passives that apply to every form.
That’s honestly such a cool idea but yo-yo doesn’t think that much… I still built my traveler though currently all triple crowned except pyro
bro i think hoyo should hire you and fire who the fck that have responsible to designing traveler kit.I think the problem with genshin dev are the fcking "creative" team already in the breaking point and confused how to design interesting kit concept,hence we can see again and again why they just recycle many kit chara.The only solution for this problem are firing this "out of juice" creative team and let the fresh idea come with newcomer
I only built dendro anemo and geo@@blank-42
That's just way too good for hoyo.
@@dipayanchoudhury2720 genshin not hoyo
if you compare any traveler element except dendro to both harmony and remembrance trailblazer you can definetly see the difference in care and thought put into the kit
Yes but tbf no 4 star in hsr even comes close to half the strength of the power five, except mayyyybe Herta and Gallagher. You can still clear abyss with just 4 stars in Genshin. I don't see anyone clearing 3.0 Moc with 4 stars. So Genshin has more viable f2p units, MC just isn't one of them.
Heck, even if you compared them with Dendro, there is still a large difference in care and thought. Dendro MC was just lucky that dendro was this busted to begin with. A lesson they learned with hydro.
It's perfectly possible to clear the game with 4 stars and FTP characters, I think. Hunt March, Gallagher, Remembrance TB, Herta, these are all perfectly serviceable units
@@tnb4509 pela? Hello?
@@tristanwalhain8601 then you have arlan whos turbo useless
I really wish they would either allow you to swap elements on the fly, which would at least give them a massive "jack of all trades" role, or at the very least just establish that Traveler Is summoning copies of all her friends, in canon, and that's what her real power is, not her limp elemental attacks. Or, since so many canon fights end up being hitting things with swords, why not just give her massive normals multipliers? That could be handy if you got other characters to infuse her.
It's not just in game play. Story wise it feels like they are just being dragged around the plot now. They are not active participants.
The last Dain quest pissed me of so much on how they have the traveler FORGET their reunion with their sibling. And the game mocks them by leaving a picture of said reunion they have NO memories of.
Now it feels like they have NO motivation now.
You're so right
They don't even talk. Paimon does all the talking for them and the few lines MC has aren't even voiced. Most disappointing MC ever.
@@LttlCoffeeBeanIt's a VA strike, also affects Kinich and a bunch of others currently rather than being a choice not to voice them.
Honestly they cooking with him in natlan and honestly besides all the beffs with Hoyo i can't but think him for that since story wise him is what actually care about honestly+ yah last dain quest besides being overall good it's have some REALLY disappointed parts
@@nargacuga8870 I don't know they still feel like they are being dragged into the plot rather than them joining in because they have a personal reason to as well.
You notice they haven't talked about their siblings for a while even though they JUST got a photo of them together that they have NO memory of.
Traveler in Gameplay be like : We nerfed him into a literal baby.
Meanwhile Genshin Lore : His very steps shaked the foundation of the Earth
This is exactly why when I watch any cutscene where the traveller displays some kind of awesome powers, my brain dies. I wished they at least adopted some kind of mechanic to aid the traveller, like how wuwa did with the rover. Havoc was good on its own but the first element, spectro got a buff with the introduction of new echo sets (artifact sets basically)
Idk, traveller gets saved ALOT even in cutscenes and jumps blindly with no plan lol ( the liyue fight where shenhe saved us )
I would love it so much if Pyro MC actually did something interesting with Nightsoul, like regenerate Nightsoul for Natlan characters, or allow any on-field character to enter Nightsoul's Blessing.
That would make him, a free unit, valuable. And Hoyo does not want that, just like standard banner characters they should be mid to useless since they can give them out for free.
@@djailsonfelipe84Exactly, Dehya is a prime example for this
Wait, I see a lot of people want that mechanic. You know, the one where it allows all characters to enter Nightsoul's Blessing.
The major reason as to why Hoyo does not have any plans of doing that is because it would literally make the Marechausse Hunter Artifact Worthless.
Obsidian gives 40 crit rate, remember that
@@B_R_U_H14Worthless?How?
we talk here about new teams.. never mentioned traveler is that strong to put my character out of his perfect team to work besides traveler.
@@B_R_U_H14 Strictly speaking, Obsidian Codex 2P only works on-field in Nightsoul's Blessing but the 4P works after consuming Nightsoul Points on the field and lasts for 6 s, so there's ways to make it work without making Marechaussee Hunter worthless on on-fielders or even without affecting any Artifact balance at all:
Option 1: Make the on-field unit consume Nightsoul Points immediately and then just stay in Nightsoul's Blessing for a specific duration - the 40% CRIT Rate would only be active for 6 s presumably right after taking the field, leaving Marechaussee Hunter as the better option for characters with long on-field times or with backloaded damage.
Option 2: Make the on-field unit generate Nightsoul Points slowly in some way and only consume them after some time or even right when Nightsoul's Blessing ends - it could actually render Obsidian Codex near-worthless or at least less consistent, though it might also work horribly with the current Mavuika's kit so it's probably not an good idea.
Option 3: Make the on-field unit only enter Nightsoul's Blessing and leave Nightsoul Point consumption to Pyro MC - this way Obsidian Codex 4P wouldn't even trigger in the first place, which would arguably be best since it would never require you to switch any Artifact Sets when playing with Pyro MC.
While of course this wouldn't by itself make Pyro MC a good character and it could pose some issues down the line, ultimately in my eyes there was never a serious reason not to do something with it.
They failed the main character because they are not profitable
That simple a lot of gacha talks can almost immediately come down to profit
@cultok hoyo should learn from warframe
If that's the case why are three of Trailblazer's paths decent?
because the devs are dumb as bricks and so are the players for being a bunch of obedient dogs.
@@koharuyuuki3162 cuz limited 5*'s are even better. TB is their excuse to keep bumping the powercreep
Yup. Im 100% expecting the only good traveler to be dendro and maybe abyssal/light traveler if we get that. Cryo traveler will probably be worse diona
im gonna one up you cryo traveler is going to be worst than aloy (many people even forget she exists at times)
Don’t hold your Breath on this one; they’re gonna make the MC Mediocre in their OWN Original Power JUST to sell The Four Shades and others…
@ Or better yet after we got all of their mediocre elements they will then sell the abyss sibling to us with everything traveler has but way better
Geo does decent damage. not comparable to most current 5 stars but I still consistently do good damage to the point I've used them to get quite far in abyss runs on Geo teams. the only problem is that they're Geo
@@Tm-dy2bp They are NEVER Gonna run a limited banner for the “Abyss Sibling” EVER; 1, we as players can choose which Twin we want to play as. 2, That would require Hoyoverse to create a system that would decide which Banner to run bases on the Twin a Player chose and that would be complicated so…
And the thing that hurt the most about this is the amount of build up pyro traveler got compared to their other variations
As someone who likes Traveller, it sucks how they keep shafting them when the Traveller has been SHOWN to be strong. Not to mention the mystery surrounding their ORIGINAL power that they just sorta dropped the ball on for no reason
Well their power is made up of the 7 elements so once we get Cryo in Snezhnaya we’ll probably see light in Khaenri’ah
They didn't. It took us until all the way in Natlan for them to remember Traveler's Abyss purifying power ALL THE WAY BACK IN MONDSTADT
My biggest problem is that they are inconsistent. The amount of times we've seen them use the elements as individual instances can be counted on two hands and most of them are in inazuma. I can only assume they don't use them a majority of the time.
@@isdrakon9802 they definitely switch between the elements in the story it’s just that they never show it in-game apart from rare instances like the Childe fight.
@@Useful.48 that's the problem though, we rarely see it used. Even when they should be using the elements we don't see it. Like when Nahida got stabbed, no elements to try and save her
It be neat if Traveler could mix and match elements - i.e you select a skill and burst from among the elements. Not saying it would fix them, but it at least give Aether/Lumine something unique compared to all other characters and would be worth considering in team building - potentially giving 5 elements in a team comp instead of 4.
Electro skill + dendro burst sounds like it could be fun actually
I feel like there's might be technical limitations for stuff like elemental resonance
Also this is just new kid from south park fractured but whole
Funnily enough, I commented the same and, after doing so, I've been all day working on custom kits for the Traveler, that I call "Reaction Traveler" XDDD
It's not a "X skill + Y burst" because they barely work with each other, no, I'm making proper kits for almost each reaction (Bloom Traveler, Crystalize Traveler, Vaporize Traveler, etc xD) except the Cryo ones because we don't have a Cryo Traveler to draw from -.-
We love their passives which give their Normal combo an Anemo or Geo infusion, just adding a little Swirl or Crystalize to the end of a combo for some nice synergy. We really wish those passive stayed between whichever element you are.
Genshin: "Making the main character good isn't profitable."
Meanwhile, Harmony Trailblazer being the best support possible for Firefly: "LOL"
Nah I'm a FF main and her best team (and one I'm glad to have) is
FF/e1 fugue/rm/ lingsha.
If Ff is e2s1 its unstoppable and only gets more bullshit with further eids.
Hmc was great until fugue came out.
@@Kspice9000 nobody cares m8 xD the majority of people aren't gonna get E1 Fugue when Harmony MC exists.
@@Kspice9000 who would've thought an E1 limited 5 star will outperform a literal free character, shocker 🤯
If u dont have fugue its ok to use trailblazer
@Kspice9000 Break is gonna fall off pretty soon lmao, we're talking back when break was new and HMC was the best break enabler
It’s sad because in cutscenes they are badass but in playable is pretty bad at worst mid at best (Dendro and pyro)
Still love Lumine design though
Woulda been nice if we could get specialized outfits for each region. I know its been said before but, it needs to be said again. AND heard this time around.
I hate Lumine's design. Let me switch to Aether and id pay a hefty amount lol
@@blahblahsuperanonyeah, I hate halterneck waifu eternal. I want waifu dress strapless or thin singlet only
Dawei doesn't love Genshin MC in beginning back from pre production
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 Dawei also doesn't love Male Dreamseeker & Adam 😂
Its actually crazy how weak traveller is compared to harmony / remembrance trailblazer, starter characters like nicole and anby in zzz, and spectro and havoc rover. I'd say what makes these other characters good is that they innovate and become an exception in some way. Both of those trailblazers are the dawn of a new archetype for the game and provide buffs that arent just flat damage bonuses or stat bonuses, but whole new mechanics that can be built upon with other characters interacting with them. Harmony trailblazer hasnt really fallen off bc they are still the only character that can do what they do aside from fugue, letting you run full sustainless break one-shot teams or two break teams.
Meanwhile - nicole from zzz has grouping unlike any other character in the game, provides stats buffs to other characters like crit rate and has very good synergy for a lot of teams, she will be rivaled by astra soon but she still brings value as you need three teams now for some content.
The rover is a special case bc they have received buffs after already being out so they work with new echo sets. They are still the only character who can slow down time and have been given high multipliers.
Id say what makes a character truly valuable and difficult to powercreep in these gacha games is that "X" factor. They need something no other character can do that goes beyond simple stat buffs. They need something that changes the way the game is played or brings something that cannot be factored fully into damage calculations and can be amplified by and into other characters. Genshin doesn't do that. Every traveller has an archon or sovereign counterpart instead of being their own thing, none of them bring in anything new. The only one who did that is dendro and to a degree pyro, although mavuika came out at the same time so RIP pyro traveller (01/01/2025 - 01/01/2025).
Cryo traveller will need to do something actually unique if they are to be good. Like an alternate freeze reaction that brings benefits when against freeze-immune enemies. Like a multiplicative crit damage bonus instead. Otherwise they are cooked.
So Cryo Traveler has to basically be ZZZ Miyabi lol
@@ES21007 Nah, that's gonna be Skirk. Tsaritsa will be like Astra Yao or Robin lol.
Its the date for me 😭
Traveler: Supernatural Explorer
Trailblazer: Space Faring Raccoon
Wise and Belle: Secret Crooks running a Video Store
if you add honkai impact 3rd then it be - clone of dead love interest of a crazy guy.
Agreed tho in recently in the latest patch they (both of the ZZZ MCs in the same scene) tanked a attack that no normal human would in any regard go unscathed in so I’m betting on them being only part human tbh
Edit: just clarifying who I meant lol
It sucks that i poured my heart out in nearly every survey over the years, painstakingly providing my thoughts and suggestions, only for them to keep making the same mistakes...
Im sorry to say ... but this game is notorious for ignoring player feedback. You're better off with hsr zzz and heck even wuwa
I come here to tell you that they have a shredder under the printer that's coonnected to the mainframe. When somebody sends them a survey, the paper from printer gets shredded immediately
@@King_Jockey istg
You think they actually read that stuff? At most they probably put all the surveys through some algorithm that tells them how often certain keywords appear.
Poor guy. Ok look they don't read that crap. All I do is copy paste their question and I paced it in the answer box. I did one questionnaire for Wuthering waves to add elemental buffs/debuffs under health bars and guess what? THEY DID.
They even asked what characters we want. They gave all kinds of personalities like clumsy, klutz, shy, dominate, happy, sad, what kind of weapon they should use ect.
Don't bother with GI. If u like it play it, if it's in a direction u hate move on
What annoys me is how Traveler is praised like their the Messiah even though Mavuika could've done the work herself if the plot hadn't demanded it otherwise. 'no one fights alone.' Yet only Mavuika and the Traveler enter to fight and everyone else cheers on like their incapable of saving themselves. Their unity is a saccharine farce.
The Traveler is meant to learn why their sibling is with the Abyss, yet when they could ask the most important questions at the right moment, the story snatches it away from them, forcing them to prolong this journey for the sake of making a profit.
omg this is so true like the whole natlan story feels so off. Everyone praises the traveler for their "contribution" but how could they have known that they'd show up at the right moment to "save natlan" ? Mavuikas plan includes the traveler but what would she do if the traveler never showed up at that time? Also we never got to learn the supposed secret that mavuika would tell us from the trailer. The traveler DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING, they saved some npcs during the war but so did everyone in natlan, Mavuika was the one who ultimately defeated the abyss along with the rest of the chosen heros. Natlan just felt like it was rewritten bc what do you mean this nation had been at war with the abyss for so long yet everyone was saved with the power of friendship THE MOMENT the traveler showed up. Me personally I would've also loved if the tribes of natlan were more competitive and spiteful with each other. "Nation of war" they said. Yet the only war was against the abyss. Yk who would've been a perfect antagonist for the war? The abyss sibling. Traveler could come to natlan to help everyone against the abyss when suddenly the sibling shows up opposing them. We could've had the perfect opportunity for them to actually fight and face each other after so long. When enjou showed up in kinichs story quest I thought the sibling was gonna show up too. The sibling is working on a new leyline system right? Natlan with the night kingdom would've been the perfect country for them to try out the loom of fate. I mean if not in natlan where else could they try it? What pisses me off even more is that the traveler DIDN'T EVEN ASK ABOUT THEIR SIBLING when talking to mavuika like what?? You're telling me our sibling supposedly has already traveled all of teyvat yet we have no mention of them from the archon who's technically from the era our sibling was travelling in ??
Sorry for the long rant but Natlan was a huge disappointment for me. I pray Snezhnaya will be better bc wtf was that.
It's like pokemon, at the end of every episode they have to return to the statue quo, like nothing change between the beginning and the end of the episode, because otherwise story would progress faster than Mihoyo money. I was so fucking done at the last Dain quest when Aether's memory with his sybling was erased, it was completely useless, just to make sure no progress was made about the abyss story.
Not a lore person eh? except maybe you read what is force fed to you through the archon quests? Since Sumeru it has been made clear that traveler is capable of altering fate with their presence. Mavuika would have lost and Natlan then Teyvat, would have again been reset in it's samsara cycle had Traveler not been there. And what is the problem with a business making money? Since when has any media company been like "Oh, that was successful, ok guys, wrap it up, we don't want to make more money (well barring like ubisoft and obsidian with their DEI crap)"?
@@youneversawme.5151 The Abyss and the Abyss Order are two completely different things man. In Natlan, they are attacked by the actual Abyss that came to this world from Nibelung. The Abyss order and the twin aren't involved in this storyline. You forget there is two different stories going on in this The story of the Tsaritsa and the story of the Twin, both who are trying to achieve a similar goal.
They are at war with the abyss, not eachother. That was the story 500 years ago. So you saying ''nation of war but only with the abyss'' is meaningless because that was based on a completely different assumption.
@@logikx1325
People just don’t pay attention, this is a documented problem with Genshin players lol
It's been a while, but even Fire Trailblazer was an absolute unit. Nearly every advice new players got during the beginning of HSR was to build Fire MC. Even after we got two better sustains later, Acheron came out and Fire TB was her BiS sustain.
and to this day Preservation TB is the only unit that can 100% change the aggro of the enemies with their taunt, so even if they're not as useful anymore they still have that niche
@linkdx7079 Thanks, you reminded me of some old tech. Back when Yanqing was viable, Fire TB was a good sustain for him. It required knowing the enemy attack patterns, and having strong enough shields for enemy AOE, but it did work... Until HMC anyways.
@@gameplayerone3917 No it doesn't. Her BIS sustain is S1 Aven and back then people run Fastqing instead since they knew for a fact that Yanqing can't rely on his useless passive (that doesn't even guarantee)
@linkdx7079 "to this day Preservation TB is the only unit that can 100% change the aggro of the enemies with their taunt"
Not true anymore now that we have Boothill and Yunli having taunt
Preservation mc is the one saved me when i am still a beginner (when dual sustain still popular)
I think it also helped that Harmony and Remembrance Trailblazer pioneered a new mechanic along with their new paths unlike Traveller.
In contrast to Traveller being an introduction to the archetype of the element, the Trailblazers introduces *a new function* that we haven't seen before. In the case of Harmony and Remembrance, it's "Super Break" and "True Damage".
Currently, we only have on other Super Break enabler being Fugue, but while she's meant to replace Harmony Trailblazer, they ironically make a good pair...
preservation MC is also kinda good ... not meta defining but hes the only char with a taunt that you have 100% control over ... and i actually beat the final sunday fight with him in 2.3 because my first acc had really shit rng ... the only bad Trailblazer is really the very first one which is kinda an oof but still better running than genshin rn
@@toukoenriaze9870 i mean while that sounds good on paper, the issue with hsr power creep is another matter entirely. Hsr releases characters non stop and the meta's become bloated with units, they've reached a point where they need to make and release free characters to avoid some players falling behind because they just can't whale as much. It wasn't a coincidence march hunt form worked well with fei xiao nor was it a coincidence that hmc worked well with ff
by comparison genshin release is far slower so it has less pressure on letting players keep up.
@@toukoenriaze9870 march also has a build in taunt on her skill. I used her against Adventurine to direct the dice roll to Pela, all Pela needed to do is to use her ult to roll the dice. Works smoothly every time. (Now that I think about it, march also has an AOE ult. I should had taunted on her lmao)
16:00 It's Genshin, they're not gonna commit to it unless the community collectively speaks up about this to the devs. And we all know how well that's worked in the past
In my opinion main characters like ZZZ's siblings, PGR's commandment, HI3rd's captain or Arkinghts' Doctor are better because you don't have to be disappointed if you hit like a wet noodle when in lore you're supposed to be "him"
And then PGR Commandant becomes playable.
@@ES21007WHAT?!
@@gamerhero9559
Yes, PGR Commandant is playable in first person sections. And is very, very good when you do play him.
The fact that PGR commandant, a character who has no voice, no confirmed design (initially), and little to no lore, shines more than Traveler, really should tell you about how Traveler is written.
Mother of Karl from DRG, Traveler not only sucks in gameplay, but also story
@@gamerhero9559 in a new game mode, PGR commandant can :
1. use guns
2. punch enemies
3. use a bow
4. use a sword
all while being a CHAD!
I have a few thoughts on this
First off the main reason why we are having this conversation is because pyro Traveler was hyped for so long and even denied to us at the beginning and given what hsr was doing with making the mc actually good, this boiled over when we finally got pyro Traveler and they were decent but then we saw that it was a boss exclusive version and the real version is not even mid and just exist to make the boss easier as it heavily recomends a night soul user. Really if they just didn't fake hype the pyro traveler or give a actually good character just for the boss we wouldn't be talking past "another bad traveler"
Second i think the gameplay "role" of the Traveler is heavily outdated, not even them just being archon lite them being a introduction to an element does not work when the game is years old but they are also awful at showing what the element is known for while also being very hard to build making them horrible teachers
Lastly (and Vars kinda brought this up) the traveler being ao weak in gameplay does hurt the story because they really just dont have much to work with, like if you actually look at it they almost never use elements in cutscenes aside from that electeo dash at times (which we don't even do in gameplay) which makes our character just feel generic and not like this multi element anomaly who has many powers to overwhelm you with or fight in ways that you cant really predict because they aren't limited to one at a time
So much more could be done with them but nobody in hoyo is seemingly willing to even take the first stepand would rather glaze another character so they look cool
At the very least Pyro MC has proper teams & use cases, unlike the rest (aside from Dendro). They're VERY good for Burgeon & serviceable for Burning or any teams that can benefit from Scroll.
But somehow they're still able to find a way to make Traveler painful to use:
Despite everything that happened throughout Natlan's Archon Quest, Pyro MC is still NOT considered as a Natlan Unit. This means that they CANNOT trigger Nightsoul Burst on their own, nor can they help to reduce its cooldown.
Without an actual Natlanese in the team, you can't make use of 2pc Scroll & half of their own A4 can't even be activated.
that's actually laughably bad.
The whole thing of getting an ancient name just to not be considered a natlan char is so funny, hoyo laughting as we struggle
That makes pyro mc even worse lmao
Are you actually play Pyro MC?
Because Pyro Mc CAN USE those Natlan artifact (it not even based on which characters is Natlanese, just required Night soul)
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hino no, you have to read that part carefully cos it's easy to miss it
what traveler has access to are the nightsoul's blessing (the state with the glowey effect) and nightsoul points. this means traveler can fully use both the obsidian codex 2pc and 4pc as long as they are on field, and the 4pc scroll set
BUT when you read the info about nightsoul burst, the requirements are 1. elemental damage and 2. NATLAN character. since traveler still counts as an outlander, they won't be able to get the 6 energy from the scroll 2pc (needs nightsoul burst to proc), and pyro traveler needs to burst as often as possible for maximum skill uptime, since their energy generation might as well not exist
Another thing that makes Pyro MC feel extremely underwhelming (paired with the giga C6 buffs only in the weekly boss fight) is that we waited SO LONG to get them? The fact that we waited through 5.0, 5.1, AND 5.2 gave the impression that Pyro Traveler might actually be something worthwhile. And then it's just the usual extreme mid.
As a former Aether main: the way Pyro Traveler was handled made me so disappointed it actually triggered me to take a break off the game, there's no character that shows more the state of the Mihoyo and the community, not listening and not caring. Like, do they really think Traveler being decent would take away from pulling for an Archon? I don't know you guys but if I don't like an Archon in personality/design/gameplay the fact that they do big DMG isn't going to make me switch my tone (which is exactly why I didn't pull for Mavuika).
Also they're setting up people for not caring for Traveler with this approach, like, think about it. It would be so immersive to have them your team and pulling for characters would feel like you're getting their allies and/or friends to help them on their journey and because you see them all the time you eventually would feel compelled to hear their voice lines and learn so much more about them but BECAUSE the Traveler is so bad people don't even bother to look at them outside the main story (because we already know nobody reads world quests) AND THEY DONT TALK OVER THERE. You completely forget about THE MAIN CHARACTER until an Archon quest, like, that's insane 😭
I understand not pulling mavuika because of her design and game play, but i'm surprised you don't like her personality.
Besides that though everything you said about the traveler is valid, the way they treat them is horrendous, especially after what they did with hydro mc.
@@ninjah773 I didn't phrase it correctly I apologize! So a correction: I was talking about the traits that make me pull or not for an Archon and I mistakenly mentioned Mavuika because she was the first Archon that came to mind as I had Natlan in the forefront of my mind while writing my comment. She's not a bad character I'm just not her target audience haha
@@annoyingexistence4622 oh ok. I was just surprised is all because I haven't heard anyone say they dislike Mavuika as a character instead of the usual motorcycle hate, but yea not every character is for everyone right.
@@ninjah773 Exactly. And that's completely alright! I might not like her gameplay but somebody does and I'm happy for them.
@@ninjah773I don't care about the motorcycle as I like the Herrscher of Reason, but it's just such an uninspired kit following the likes of Furina and Nahida. I don't know if I'll ever upgrade her from a lvl 1 teapot decoration.
Meanwhile our Trailblazer has been blessed with another goated kit.
HSR Is just really smart with their mc, by making hmc powerful and necessary for break teams you're locked out of rmc unless you pulled for fugue the patch before.
But HSR is powercreep hell. They made Mc decent because they know you need to pull for nearly every new character.
@@shironasama0445thats a stupid statement. Devs cared enough to make a free alternative unit that enables specific playstyle even with all 6 eidolons unlocked and that is somehow not worth praising
@@xxivkraegen2124 If you take a step back for a second, you would realize what they are doing. It’s not praiseworthy in the slightest.
@shironasama0445 1) hmc is far from being decent.
2) The powercreep issue only makes things better for mc in general. If they were either terrible or pull for characters, this situation would be worse. But they are free. They give you an opportunity to fight against this massive powercreep for free.
Heck, one of the best teams in the incluides Firefly and, you guessed it, the mc.
Don't get me wrong: i'm not praising the powercreep, nor how they are handling the game. But be honest: would you rather the mc to be great or terrible? That was the main topic.
@@Otherface Great for how long, exactly? Because you surely know break will not remain as good as it is. How else do you expect they sell new characters than just increasing the HP pool, and changing the enemy mechanics.
Failed? More like sabotaged.
Gotta make that buck you know.
Oh boy, I've been stewing on this one for awhile now... they way the devs fumbled the traveler's kits in some way bothers me to no end:
Hydro: I'm not harping on that kit further becase it's so deliberately bad, ( The name of its elemental skill is wasted on it.)
Pyro: decent off field, LOATHE the fact that he's at his strongest in a weekly boss
Electro: mid battery and should've had his c6 be an electro infusion to really hammer home the simularity to ei's kit.
Dendro:... pretty good actually, in spite of nahida being THE crutch for any and every dendro based reactions
Geo: has it's niche uses, but lack luster in the facr that the skill Is just two placeable rocks, they could've created a field where where it apples geo dmg off field and still be considered a construct so it could make up for its naming scheme ("starfell sword" and its a fucking rock? Seriously??)
Anemo: the skill ain't bad, the i prefer the burst to stay stationery live venti's burst, but the burst aint that bad.
And the egregious part about this? We've been shown in cutscenes multiple time that the traveler can change without the statues, I feel like the respective kits could have been way stronger If they weren't base of the nation's respective rulers. Why have a main character who's supposed to be strong in lore weak in-game? The bare minimum they could've did to make them unique as their own character IS to allow us to change elements with the statues.
Tbh I could excuse Geo and Anemo Traveler due to it being the beginning of the game. However, I hate that HYV doesn't give players a chance to use them in regular teams (other than Dendro which is actually viable).
Anemo and Geo could be excused somewhat due to their early game status.
Anemo could still be relevant considering the res shred and the ability to hold VV set, while Geo can work as an OK/even good DPS.
Electro is terrible, but it can still find its uses in very niche teams (like sethos iirc).
Dendro is good only because the element itself is good.
Hydro is an abomination. They took Anemo Traveler's kit and made it worse (moving burst that can't be stopped, being forced to stay still while casting 'hold' skill.) Except Anemo Traveler's burst can be stopped and their skill can at least suck in enemies and stun them to avoid being damaged.
Pyro is an OK support but it's clear HYV only released them as a way of getting people to pull for Mavuika. It sucks so bad that they're only strong in the boss fight.
@@youreasimp5232 pretty much, my only issue with the travelers kits for each element Is that they lack something that would have been vital or Something within those respective kits should've changed and That would have made them way better, I think anemo traveler's kit Would've Been way stronger if the burst didn't move.... That and the naming schemes, How are you going to have an attack name "starfell sword" and its just a rock?? Not even a sword shaped rock, it's just a rock.😭😭😭
@ No cuz HYV always uses the most badass names for the oddest skills😭😭😭
This was one of the best things ZZZ did, the main character is integrated into the story really well. Belle and wise actually speak and have personalities, and because they’re not playable units I don’t have to sacrifice playing them for the sake of a strong party. Another good thing is that you’re always given trial units for story mode,
his constellation "upgrades" should have made the boss ones non boss ones even if only with half the values
Tbh Traveler being so middling almost discourages finding oculi, as one of the cooler rewards is Traveler Constellations... and the idea of supporting the Traveler traveling through a unique exploration-based system is cool.
But since Traveler sucks so hard, it kinda prompts less excitement.
Imo Traveler should gain some system counting total (Traveler) constellations, so all Traveler forms get better base stats the more elements you've (fully) mastered, and every anemoculus or cryoculus is adding to your power or advancing each form towards a higher ceiling
Don't worry Traveler will be powerful after obtaining the 7th and 8th Element
Hopium and Copium 😂😂😂
elopeium to wuwa uwu
They should learn from HSR cuz the MC actually feels powerful in both the lore and gameplay 😭
When I first played the game I watched traveler vs childe cutscene, and wondered why traveler can't switch elements in gameplay? no I wondered more about why I should touch the statue to change from element to another every fking time? "recently knew genshin is the only one doing that lmao and there are defenders for this"
And never knew it was just the start
Not really OP in the lore
And only good gameplay after HMC
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hi Destruction and Preservation TBs are very good units for new players who don't know how to play the game yet or have none of the 5* on limited banners... yet.
@@franciscodetonne4797
Same for Anemo, Geo in both puzzles solving & combat for newbie
But because Gerpard, a standard 5* is more better than Fire Trailblazer (He even Free back then & even the 2nd time free right now )
@@franciscodetonne4797 No they don't, especially considering that HSR gives free standard units every anni (granted they are also not better than him and they only do that cause HSR standards are 3x worse than Genshin standards)
It would be interesting (And beneficial) if once we got all the elements it like reworked all the current elements we have on traveler.
They could save the character and make them interresting to play by allowing you to swap your burst using any element unlocked.
So say you go to the statut of the seven in inazuma to get the electro skill and passive then in the menu swap the burst to get the dendro burst for exemple.
I don't think it would be broken considering how weak each skill and burst are compared to recent 5 star, and it would be cool to use multiple element like in the cutscene.
It’s genuinely impressive to me that the WORST character in the game is designed to parrot the BEST character in the game
for a LITTLE more clarification on Pyro Traveler, because Vars conveniently forgets a copule of things:
- Skill has TWO modes: Hold mode, which does the aforementioned coordinated attack with Pyro application once every 3 seconds, but it also has a TAP mode, which does damage intervals *every single second,* with pyro application once every 3 seconds (because standard ICD). This makes the tap version VERY suitable for Burgeon teams because you get Burgeon explosions every second, as well as Overload teams that use an electro onfielder such as Clorinde if your Xiangling is hanging out in your (Raiden) National, Mualani, Kinich or Reverse Melt teams. the damage will obviously be quite a lot less than Xiangling, but you have *more options* if you need two teams with an Off field Pyro applier, and Pyro Traveler really only needs about 160-180 ER when you use a Favonius wielder on the team, which is common for Chevreuse to have in Overload teams. A lot more managable than Xiangling.
- The burst is MEATY. We're talking about a *907% multiplier* at a crowned talent level at C5 (talent level 13). The only characters that have higher burst nuke multipliers are Zhongli, Kirara, Wriothesley's total multiplier count (270x5), Childe's Melee stance burst, Scaramouche's total burst hit tally, Eula (for obvious reasons lol), Raiden Shogun's initial burst slash *base* multiplier is LOWER but she gets additional bonuses from her stacks and whatnot. Sara's, Arlecchino's and Lyney's bursts have a lower multiplier. Any character I did not mention has a burst nuke with lower multipliers at their maximum talent level. with a full Cinder City build in a Bennett Kazuha Citlali team, I did 180K burst nukes on Melt and Vaporize.
- Traveler's C6 gives a Pyro infusion while in the Nightsoul state while ALSO getting an additional 40% Crit DMG bonus on top of that, making them an actual onfield DPS, while also benefitting from the damage buffs their earlier constellations give (C1's 15% dmg bonus, C4's 20% Pyro dmg bonus for 9 seconds after using their burst).
So to recap: Are they an amazing meta-prevalent unit: No, not at all. Are they a decent alternative for off field application if you don't want madam motorbike or miss "I need 300ER and 2 Favonius users in my team without Bennett", with some additional utilities that can make them an easy option for players to try out other teams such as Burgeon and Overload? Yes, yes they are. I would've like them to also have the 'healing on burst' constellation we get in the story boss so they could work well with Furina too, but alas.
And we won't get his C6 until April.
Thanks for bringing this up. Pyro Traveler might not be amazing but it's still my favorite kit we've gotten for them since Anemo traveler on release. It feels good to play, the ult hits really hard, and the flexibility of the skill feels great for using on different teams. I didn't know about the C6 but while I was really hoping to get the Pyro waves from the boss fight, this sounds almost as good in terms of making them be able to fight on field.
the longer genshin go, the truer the theory that said Hoyo actually hates Genshin.
the only way to redeem this is by having light and dark element exclusively traveler good element, because now they don't need to play the second fiddle to the higher authority. this thematically works too because traveler finally in his own element, not foreign power given to him.
They couldve made the traveller with a good kit profitable through various means: skins. Different signature (limited) weapons for each elements. 7th constellations to make them better. Etc. There are ways to make the traveler both GOOD and make money off the character.
All they need to add a element swap wheel and all issues with traveller is solved
Thus creating a level of combat power creep only Star Rail has managed to carry so far, if not worse.
@@logikx1325 It wouldn't be power creep if it's kept only for traveler.
@@wewuzkangz2505 this guy is vehemently defending any and all decisions they've made in the comments. I've seen him before, despite his username, he is not very logical.
Hydro MC was so pathetic that I forgot about him for the whole duration of the Fontaine... once Natlan came up I sort of just looked at him and activated his constellations... and then just switched him back to dendro...
Also the Pyro Traveler doesn't get a mount during his night soul. Since we got so many pyro main dps, they should have given him a summon that does better off field pyro application cause having to be really close for tap skill doesn't feel good for certain teams like Mualani for example, but the held version seems more ideal for KInich since he does a lot of fast normal hits during his skill
The difference in quality between the genshin mc and star rail mc is like night and day lmao
It wouldn’t be nearly as annoying if the story didn’t paint MC as this super confident, world-famous, larger-than-life warrior that rubs elbows with powerful political figures and fights on par with legends. Seeing MC freely swap elements in cutscenes is infuriating as well
The worst part about pyro traveler is they didn’t get a Natlan vehicle…I was hoping they would fly a little like a rocket. xD doesn’t have to be as good as the other vehicles just anything would have been cool! But nope nada…just hate.
Despite loving her as a character, I refuse to get Nahida purely because DMC is good enough already. It would actually be such overkill for my account if I ever got her.
I'm still really curious what the endgame of the Traveler will look like. Maybe they'll get a huge powerboost in the future, actually being able to switch between all Elements and being stronger in general with all of them. Or even getting a new Element. Either way, yea its sad what they've done to our boy/girl so far but I'm still looking forward to the potential future. Just hope its not gonna end in disappointment 💀
"Hope is the first step on a road to dissapointment."
In the STORY they might, when it comes to them as a playable character though... maybe don't get your hopes up to high.
The thing that they don't understand about Traveler is this: If you make them strong/decent then it makes players want to continue playing the game, if they are free to play. It will show them that the company is "generous" and "fair" and maybe convince them that maybe they can spend a bit since things won't be too hard. Traveler being good/great isn't going to make people suddenly NOT want Mavuika / Citlali, etc... Gooners will Goon. If a game is too obnoxious with free to play stuff, then people will drop the game. It's in their best interest to make the MC good/great. If they are worried about that, they could make them great in a niche, like great for hyperbloom, or great for burgeon, etc... The traveler's stats, despite being "five star" are FOUR star stats with ATTACK as their main ascension stat...absolutely garbage.
I’ve been enjoying Pyro MC quite a bit. They can hold Cinder City really well and slot into teams like Cheveruse overload, Kinich, Mualani, and some vape teams pretty well
Traveler should be given the ability to switch elements during combat with a relatively short cooldown so that they could cycle multiple elements.
you know how they could fix this issue by just making the traveler swap elements on the fly narratively it makes sense and mechanically it makes sense and would fill the jack of all trades that the traveler is supposed to be
I like that idea a lot, sadly they probably won't implement it :(
I do like Anemo traveler, the burst works very well against enemies in the early game but later regions have less enemies that can be vacuumed up by anemo abilities. It's simple and fun to use, so I'd say it meets expectations. For Geo and Electro: It takes too much work to actually find and use the synergy/utility they are meant to offer, so why bother?
Anemo traveler really designed to be new player friendly. It has decent AOE performance enough to kill a mob of hilichurls guarding the chests.
In short, every traveler before pyro were never meant to be a damage dealer or a useful support. It meant to complement the exploration required for each region. U need electro traveler just to farm sakura bloom, u also need hydro traveler to solve puzzles that requires consistent hydro application. And to make my traveler actually useful for combat, i have a brilliant idea to built traveler in full physical mode. I got 5 star physical dmg bonus sword from standard banner, painstakingly build my physical artifact and i crowned EVERY SINGLE normal attack at first for each element. That's how i make traveler actually fun to play in open world before pyro update. Now i used him as a pyro off field for my lcorinde and as a physical dmg backup when my clorinde entered downtime.
Hydro Mc is the worst version of Anemo + Electro combined
@ yeah f that water mode traveler, what dawei has been smokin when creating water mode traveler?
@@MiekuahProductions I do exploration with MC and that hydro traveler was painful, which made the pyro wait even worse
you really shouldnt have even mentioned anemo traveler ... the ultimate is completely dysfunctional because auto targeting and no suction to the tornado unless your right inside it ... the E skill pushes enemies all over the place if you ever want to use it ... the only thing its even partially useful for is a bit of resist shred
I think the main character should be the best at their job, but that one job is the only thing that they can do.
Harmony Trailblazer and Fugue are probably the best example.
While Fugue can do more stuff on top of Super Break Damage, her's is still weaker compared to Harmony Trailblazer.
I still can't forget those pressure plate puzzles in Liyue that basically required Geo MC... After that, I haven't even thought about using the traveler again
It's fine that Traveler is a mini-Archon, because you can then have a second "archon" in the second team if you need it... IF they actually got the kits tuned to be halfway worthwhile to run.
EDIT: It was obvious that Neuvillette is the Archon version of Hydro Traveler. It reflects the Fontaine story perfectly. Again, the shitty part is that Traveler is Traveler's kit is TOO FAR diminished.
Its been pointed out by others that traveler's kit is way closer to the dragon sovereign of each region as opposed to the archon. You can see this more easily with the Apep boss fight vs the dendro traveler (the burst is the 2nd phase intro) and compare that to how Nahida looks and feels. This makes me wonder about the Electro dragon sovereign and start looking for parallels to the traveler's kit.
@@pr0ntabthis theory is so interesting to me it might be correct
It has been proven several times that good existing units won’t make people not pull for who they like. Look at the arlecchino-mavuika situation. Don’t make traveler archon-type overpowered, but something that matches the story and relevance
There's a new element coming. Maybe Traveler will be higher tier then.
They know they can't ignore the main character. Pyro Traveler was just a starting point.
Also consider they gave pyro Traveler 12 constellations. Makes you wonder they plan to do the same to existing elements.
When i used to play (fell off during fontaine) I was a traveler main all the way through, used all 4 of their elements and can count on 1 hand the situations where they WEREN'T in my lineup. I found playing with lumine to be pretty fun, and when i got some of the archon characters like Zhongli, that just meant i could switch her element to electro and act as a battery for the team (it helped that i stacked a huge amount of energy recharge, had sacrificial sword to double her skill usage and get more energy, and got a noblesse oblige set as my goal was to use her bursts as often as possible and be a general support so i didnt have to switch relic sets constantly).
So believe me that hydro traveller was absolutely RAGE INDUCING for me and literally unusable. It just dampened my enthusiasm so bad when i was already getting burnt out from genshin. Literally all they had to do was let the burst pick up smaller enemies (like anemo traveler) or stop when it hits an enemy (like ayakas burst) so it could do continuous damage and i probably would have been satisfied. I'm not even interested in going back to the game and going through hours and hours of standing around and talking- i mean the archon quests- that would be required to get the pryo element for lumine.
I still hope they will buff the Traveler significantly after we get the 7th element.
"takes a deep breath of hopium"
Perhaps the traveler will obtain an 8th element.
My ideal Pyro Traveler would've finally put an end to Bennett's circle impact. Maybe he'd have the same skill, but after popping his burst the active character gets a portion or all of his Base ATK like Bennett ult without healing.
What I like about Wuwa main character is that his strenght in the story is relfected in his kit. He isn't just strong in cutscene, he is strong when you play him, which can only help the power fantasy. Even better, his second form (havok) is much stronger than his first one (spectro), which is lore accurate with the story cutscene where he turn havok to get a power boost
idea to BUFF mc. check prismatic subclass in destiny 2.
basically if/when you allow the MC to swap elements out of combat. allow people to mix and match the skills, talents, constelations, on a rainbow element
geo skill, dendro ult, the talent from anemo that adds element to the 5th attack, constelation that adds ult uptime, element res shred when you swirl (prob change to all transformative reactions but hey)
it could really spice up the mc gameplay and maybe even end up with a half decent unit by the end of it
Would you consider doing a bit of a character guide on the pyro traveler for those of us who actually are using it in teams actively? Even if you consider it mediocre, as you say, they have a spot in people who do not have Mavuika. My Xilonen hypecarry (laugh and get a taste of rollerskates) team is using the pyro MC quite interestingly :)
I use it as F2P Mavuika support, as my only Natlan chars are Kachina and the traveler.
bro you literally dont need a guide, either give sacrificial sword and cinder city set or give a 5* dps sword option with codex set, also reminder that c6 will give a infusion with 40% cdmg bonus to normal attacks
@@meliho27 I know I do not *need* a guide. I mean, I am literally already using the character actively, In abyss 12 even.
In addition, a 2nd set of eyes might show something I have missed or give me new ideas.
But being absolutely honest, the reason I want the video is literally for fun and entertainment purposes.
@@Random2 sorry for talking like that and also now that i think about it could be a good video
I hate what they did with pyros mc cons...they didn't even hide teh fact that they don't want you to use them
Praying that the yet to be announced c6 Pyro Traveler makes the Pyro Traveler weekly boss version available everywhere.
i won't say anything in case you don't like leaks/spoilers but their c6 has been known since their kit was first leaked at the start of 5.2, because all of their constellations are already in the game's code
Literally they could have just made the secondary weekly boss effects a permanent thing for Traveller, just nerfed. I'm talking miniscule stat buffs of like 5% of the 40% Crit Rate, and it would have improved them tremendously.
Because see, the weekly boss is designed to be taken down by the Traveller. All those extra buffs are nice, but the level at which they are applied is overkill. So by allowing them to have a permanent but tiny stat buff, it actually gives them at least a small benefit over other units in that they are easier to build. This makes them way better for f2p units, but doesn't raise their damage to Limited 5 Star status.
Considering the state Cryo is in, they have ONE last chance to make Aether/Lumine good.
They have to make them a great catalyst for other Cryo characters along with the Archon. That is the only thing they can do at this point…
I actually feel like they should make all the travelers around the same strength as DMC and PMC (of course it'd be nice if they were stronger but I honestly think that's *enough*). I'm fine with the archons powercreeping traveler and just being a better version of them, that's kinda their entire purpose. Besides I don't think that makes them COMPLETELY irrelevant. Just put them in the second half of the abyss instead. I still use DMC sometimes today because he's actually alright
HSR does come with insane powercreep levels though. Yea you get a powerful free unit but the enemy HP is jacked up to compensate.
Playing the most interesting characters in the game (travellers) but we cant even get anything about their backgrounds. They are possibly immortal, aliens, powerful... We have no idea of their origins, powers, hell we dont even know their age, their homeworld, why they left, how they travel, their parents, etc... Its not like they have amnesia. Im more interested in where they come from and why they travel.
Its lazy writing, especially with them being powerful beings that seem to be the weakest characters until a cutscene happens. Its such a disconnect and cheap.
Problem with Traveler is that you have to rebuild the character each time you get a new element, and if you want to switch element you have to switch weapons and artifacts. HSR gives you an OP MC and you can switch paths with a single click...
I'm still using Dendro Traveler for story purposes because that's the main reason you have it.
Unpopular opinion, i used Electro Traveler like religiously mainly because of Noelle since he can battery her like crazy.
A fix for all of that was just to double or triple the damage/duration of the skills of each element and people will be fine with it, because damage is what matters. Or Hoyo can give us an amalgamation of each of Traveler's skills (hopefully by the time we reach celestia)
the thing that makes things even worse is the traveler is the one exception that they are allowed to buff and nerf because they are fully free unit and cant spend money(technically resources grind is the only thing you can technically pay something for). they can actually adjust anything about these units, but theyve never once touched them after release.
This is hoyo we talking about. THEY HATE BUFFING UNITS. Neuv got straight up nerfed and they only walk it back due to pissed off CN whales. If they got away with it they would have nerfed all the others like Arle as well
@@nonamepasserbya6658 the main reason they cant is because of the fact they can get sued for doing any of this. the main reason neuv was so significant is because it was considered a selling point for people, and there are a few that did get him because of the spin to win. at no point in all the time he was in the game, or any of the bug repotes that i know people had sent in did this every get acknowledged that this was a even unintended interaction, so people publiclly considered it a part of his kit on how he controlled.
any of the MCs are actually exempted from this because their ENTIRE KIT IS FREE WELL ALSO CANT BE PAID FOR, so its not under the consideration of being able to get sued for the laws china has(this is my understanding on how the laws are worded, so take with a grain of salt).
and to add more to this, one of the main things that genshin tryed to do as long as they could is to not allow power creep seep in as hard to other gacha games, it was a much slower increase for at least the first 2ish years. so i would actually directly disagree that they would change the balance of the game, but they pigeoned them self into this hole the moment they choose a gacha game.
@@drantino Then again, the whole thing happened, because the C6 spin to win was not even doable on console. Therefore, people using the trick were bug abusing
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 it was tied to camera spin speed, so technically it is doable on console, just takes extra steps to get max dpi stupidity
Arknights is a pretty good example of giving you good free units. There are plenty of guides on completing story missions (which get pretty hard) with only free units and a high-level support unit. I often use them as a baseline guide for team comp and strategy with my stronger units, but I still use some of these free units in my basic lineup. Fuck, Myrtle is a super powerful character for DP (the points you generate to deploy units) generation, and is arguably a staple unit. And Amiya, the "protagonist" character of Arknights, is a solid character in all of her variants as the campaign goes on.
is it too difficult to make the traveler a good support/dps? Hsr made both harmony and remembrance trailblazer broken and wuthering waves did the same.
Eh, Anemo MC is definitely not the worst anemo character right now. they were bad because their burst. Now that there is a boss in every abyss and a single target side. 60% res shred for 10 seconds no questions asked is absolutely not the worst thing you can get right now. Lynette is just bad and Heizou is bad sucrose. Venti is strictly worse than Traveler in single target and aoe that can't be grouped because anemo mc shreds more.
Your Traveler vs Archon comparison is also extremely forced. GMC isn't a support they are a sub dps and actually out damages Albedo with proper investment. They have almost nothing comparable beyond constructs. Raiden and EMC are both batteries, but Raiden is an on fielder. This creates a very obvious spilt in their roles. Raiden can't battery carries, she's awful at it. EMC can't battery sub dps and supports. Also, Raiden and EMC are both standard ICD so no Raiden can't apply electro more consistently.
PMC was never going to keep those buffs. PMC sheets for over 70k dps without their C6 using the Bennett infusion instead. That's more than several limited carries. With those buffs they'd be second to Mavuika. PMC is also just pretty objectively not mediocre. Also Stop doing N1C it's a much worse combo than N2C. PMC is also not worse than Standard banners when they out dps Keqing and Tighnari by a very large margin. 55k dps vs 73k is a huge gap.
Hydro Traveler is basically Neuvilette from Temu
also I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea for Traveller to get big cool bonuses for weekly bosses or domains only, like Pyro has for natlan's current weekly boss, making them a character you get to use for speedier grinding would actually be a unique design aspect that might make them used more, if only for co-op domains. would be at least better than their current state
In defense of anemo traveler, they're actually a really strong sub dps during the early game thanks to instructor's free 200 em. Dendro and pyro are also competent. Hydro can do this thing called "fuck off" tho
with the traveler being able to get all the elements I hope means they get a future form for only them where they can pick a different element for their moves letting them be unique vs the other characters. that way they can make their own element interactions.
HMC was and is still insanely good for break teams
I remember coming back from
my 8-month-long Genshin hiatus, going to Fontaine, thinking "ooh, Dendro Traveler was a step up! Let's see how Hydro Traveler is!", triggering the pew pew water gun, LAUGHING FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, and never switching him to Hydro again. I didn't even bother to use Pyro MC recently besides the archon quest, I think I'll just stick to Dendro.
I don't believe they made Traveler this bad because they are free so they won't generate revenue, I believe they did Traveler this bad because of bad decisions on character design. We don't have to look so far. We can see if they want, they can make their MC good in THEIR other games. I know Mihoyo has different teams to work on different games. All I can think is the team working on Genshin's characters don't know how to make an MC. (or some higher ups are being greedy as always to make their own teams fail so they can sell other characters more which I find pathetic because they are too ignorant to see they damage their own product with greed. Not just their MC but their whole product.)
Greed is always the answer for hoyo. Look no further than Mizuki to see how much they hate giving free things. HSR merely needed MC to be good as a gateway bait for expensive teams that were lacking characters (sans Firefly)
It is definitely the higher ups, Da Wei ruining the game
it’s not “besides” the power creep that they’re making good TBs. It’s because of the power creep that they have to give players some sort of freebie.
The one thing we can say about traveler is that theyre more usable in combat than belle or wise.