We wound up going with the RX450h+. The 350h made more sense, economically, but the effortless acceleration of the 450h+ combined with the great fuel economy makes it worth it to us. We just finished a 2,200 mile road trip and it was a perfect road trip companion.
@@maulik7030 In 2,080.1 miles between full tanks on the trip, fuel usage was 55.15 gallons, plus 73 kwh of electricity, which I equate to about 5 gallons of gasoline-equivalent.
@@vshri6433 It is the quietest and most comfortable car I've ever driven. The driver aids also help reduce fatigue during long highway runs and especially in heavy traffic.
Just got one last week and I really like it so far. Traded in a fully loaded s580 so I downgraded short term but long term I think a good purchase. Plug in hybrid is the way to go I think. Solar panels on my house will pay for the fuel so that's cool. Still trying to learn all the settings
It takes forever to get one of these cars. The wait list is over a year everywhere I look. Such a shame that you have to settle for other brands due to the lack of supply.
I was frustrated with this too. Because I wanted the NX 450h+ so bad, I drove over 4.5 hours to purchase one. We have it it over three weeks and we love it. Even though I’ve only got to drive it once since getting because it is my wife’s car.
We have a 2020 RX 450h and tested the 2023 none hybrid then the hybrid. We were disappointed in the hybrid performance. The H+ would likely be a good choice. They still use a NMH battery which is much safer than the lithium batteries. It is hard to give up that V6 so hopefully this H+ will satisfy whenever we get to drive one. Also I hate not having a spare tire which we currently have.
So help me understand. If the battery on these PHEV are completely depleted, then will the fuel economy just be the same as the regular ICE 4 cylinder?
The hybrid batteries never get depleted. The system is always connected to the conventional engine that (basically) runs on and off. But if you are asking about the electric capabilities of the system, if you are running on electric mode and you run "out of juice", then, the hybrid system takes over automatically. Additionally, if you are wondering if you can run without gas in your tank, then the answer is NO. At present, there is no hybrid vehicle in the market that runs without fuel in its tank.
@@stnrkor4926 That’s interesting.. My sister-in-law has a Prius PHEV and the battery is always “depleted” most of the time (meaning at 0% according to gauge). I also imagine if you NEVER replugging in your car to a charger, battery draws down to zero unless you’re in drive mode to recharge?? So are you talking semantics about “depleted” here bc you also mentioned “running out of juice”? And yes, I asked if you “ran out of juice” (aka battery depleted), then is the fuel efficiency still better than a regular ice 4 cylinder?
Prius PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle), which Toyota calls Prius Prime, is designed to combine the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and the Hybrid System through the electric engine to power the vehicle. As referenced in my previous response -in the paragraph about the capabilities of the electric system, the reference of "running out of juice" was meant to describe how the system "behaves" when the vehicle is engaged in Electric Mode. In this mode, the vehicle runs on electric engine only, with the "juice available". This mode has a few of limitations: limited range, limited speed and the current charge of the hybrid batteries. So, no matter what, when engaged in this mode, if you happen to reach the mileage range or your batteries get below (if I recall correctly,) 20% charge, the system is designed to disengage automatically from the Electric Mode and continue the drive by engaging the ICE to (1) provide the power to move the vehicle and (2) to recharge the batteries. Hence, my reference to "the hybrid system takes over automatically". Therefore, under normal circumstances and with a vehicle in perfect running order, you cannot run out of battery (juice). In another set of matters, the circumstances you are describing about you relative's vehicle are very odd. If the vehicle, as you describe, is a Prius Prime (as you are mentioning the Plug-in feature) running with the gauge at 0% is not all how the vehicle is supposed to work or how the system was designed to work. First of all, any Hybrid vehicle (not only Toyotas) is designed to start even if the hybrid batteries are drained out (not the small auxiliary battery). So, under these circumstances, the auxiliary battery will crank up the ICE and this one will start charging the hybrid batteries. Therefore, the vehicle will start and run. Otherwise, in the event that the system detects that the hybrid batteries are not being recharged, you will get a warning on the dashboard. Second, while you are driving, if your hybrid batteries are depleted and the gauge shows 0% (somethingthat should not happen), that will mean that they are not being charged. And, then again, you will get a warning on your dashboard. In both situations, if the hybrid batteries are not being recharged, the dashboard will tell you that there is a problem. At this point whether or not you can use the Plug-in feature or that this method will do the job to recharge your hybrid batteries, I don't know. Nevertheless, you still have a problem. Because, even if this works, as soon as you take your car out (after unplugging), you will still get a warning on the dashboard. In conclusion, if the vehicle you describe is running with 0% on the gauge then, I strongly recommend to take the car to the closest Toyota dealership because that is not how it is suppose to work. PS: In the remote even that you are driving a Prius Prime with completely depleted batteries, with a warning light or ignoring it, if the car is still running on the ICE, the consumption you should expect would be the normal consumption of a conventional engine of the same size (depending on the Prius Plug-in generation that your relative owns)
The 350h is the better option from my perspective based solely on price. I am happy to drive the bulletproof naturally aspirated 4 cylinder/hybrid combo. No turbo to worry about and the hybrid setup is bulletproof as has been demonstrated through the years.
Nice, but Grossly overpriced. Transportation devices are 20-25% overpriced today. Best to wait a year or two as supply improves, competition increases and prices drop. Dull and boxy design. Fuel economy surprisingly poor for an electrified vehicle. ⛽️ 😢
......DUMB reaction.............You do NOT even EVER have to use ANY GAS i.e. Premium at $4.75 per gal simply plug in to 120 house Volt for most /any around town.....and NEVER have ANY wear or Maintenance on the GAS engine...use only & always having a NEW back up engine using Reg Gas for any long trip....Well worth it!
@@donaldbanner2185 It's more expensive to buy electricity than gas where I live, for this car, but we bought one anyway, because it's a sweet ride. It would make a lot more economic sense if we had solar.
Why would anyone wasting money on this PHEV. My PHEV is a 2016 Chevy Volt I owned for 5 years that I paid under $30k gets longer range similar size battery also 5 litre/100km when electric run out.
beware, run flot tire on rx450 lux, nosy and bumpy when driving over roads with tar cracks and other defects. I voiced my concerns with Lexus , I was told to let air out tires. I purchase the 450 thinking that the 350 and 450 were the same, not aware about the run flat tires.
$70k for this, this is nice but just got a 2018 Chevy Volt for 19k which gives me 53 ev miles and drives like a dream, when my ev miles run out the gas generator kicks right on in, I get 42mpg on gas, best car I ever had😊
................................. This Model has a " NATURALLY ASPIRATED " engine ....NOT TURBO!!! so it does Not have the tin - y sound and as for sound in el;lectric this vehicle is whisper quiet................Additionally you are wrong on the 500H...it has a DOG Turbo and it is a bout the same 0-60 5.6 for this and 5.5 sec for the 500 H;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
We wound up going with the RX450h+. The 350h made more sense, economically, but the effortless acceleration of the 450h+ combined with the great fuel economy makes it worth it to us. We just finished a 2,200 mile road trip and it was a perfect road trip companion.
How much was your total fuel consumption for a 2200 miles trip ?
@@maulik7030 In 2,080.1 miles between full tanks on the trip, fuel usage was 55.15 gallons, plus 73 kwh of electricity, which I equate to about 5 gallons of gasoline-equivalent.
that's awesome. We're planning to get one as well. How was the sound cancellation and ride comfort for the long trips?
@@vshri6433 It is the quietest and most comfortable car I've ever driven. The driver aids also help reduce fatigue during long highway runs and especially in heavy traffic.
Just got one last week and I really like it so far. Traded in a fully loaded s580 so I downgraded short term but long term I think a good purchase. Plug in hybrid is the way to go I think. Solar panels on my house will pay for the fuel so that's cool. Still trying to learn all the settings
It takes forever to get one of these cars. The wait list is over a year everywhere I look. Such a shame that you have to settle for other brands due to the lack of supply.
I was frustrated with this too. Because I wanted the NX 450h+ so bad, I drove over 4.5 hours to purchase one. We have it it over three weeks and we love it. Even though I’ve only got to drive it once since getting because it is my wife’s car.
Lucky you. I had no such luck and had to go with other choices. @@SFFalcon
We have to wait until January but not nearly as bad as in some other places
UK here, I'm being told a 4 week wait from order to delivery but can't make up my mind at the moment.
Watching any of your videos is educational and guides you to make a better and quicker choice. Good review 👍
Nice review! He knows what he’s talking about.
Shari is the best reviewer we have. He gives the most to the point and most valuable information
Excellent review - thanks for your expertise! We are in the market for a Lexus and this review was extremely helpful.
that red rx is gorgeous
I think the luxury is going to fit me ! Thank you for the clarity !
Now i like to buy this car
Where can I get one
No dealer has any not till mid January 2024
As much as I love this vehicle, this RX along with NX plugs are so hard to get.
Yes indeed. We really lucked out getting our hands on one.
Wrong. They are everywhere now. car shortage is over dude
@@theone4042 The new car shortage is over, but Lexus plug-ins are still in short supply.
I waited over a year for an NX350H before I gave up.
These ones aren't for sale in Canada at All,! dream on
We have a 2020 RX 450h and tested the 2023 none hybrid then the hybrid. We were disappointed in the hybrid performance. The H+ would likely be a good choice. They still use a NMH battery which is much safer than the lithium batteries. It is hard to give up that V6 so hopefully this H+ will satisfy whenever we get to drive one. Also I hate not having a spare tire which we currently have.
i drive one of these 4cyl Hybrids now.....NEVER ! I will hold my V6Hybrid and buy another from the last models !
Big, expensive and beautiful...if you need it. In this class, it stands alone, except for the somewhat dated Acura MDX. I'll take the standard hybrid.
Agreed, I bought the 2024 NX350H (2 month wait here in CO), and am averaging 43.4 MPG, couldn’t be happier with the vehicle
Price is higher.....................However your Re-Sale is Much Better.....Econ 101......... sell it for more than you paid for it!
How ?
lol, as a RX450H owner i can say these things are very expensive to repair !! Good to see Mazda with its new 3.3ltr inline 6 Diesel !
It would have been nice to compare the RX 450h+ Luxury and its F-Sport version.
So help me understand. If the battery on these PHEV are completely depleted, then will the fuel economy just be the same as the regular ICE 4 cylinder?
The hybrid batteries never get depleted. The system is always connected to the conventional engine that (basically) runs on and off.
But if you are asking about the electric capabilities of the system, if you are running on electric mode and you run "out of juice", then, the hybrid system takes over automatically.
Additionally, if you are wondering if you can run without gas in your tank, then the answer is NO. At present, there is no hybrid vehicle in the market that runs without fuel in its tank.
@@stnrkor4926 That’s interesting.. My sister-in-law has a Prius PHEV and the battery is always “depleted” most of the time (meaning at 0% according to gauge). I also imagine if you NEVER replugging in your car to a charger, battery draws down to zero unless you’re in drive mode to recharge?? So are you talking semantics about “depleted” here bc you also mentioned “running out of juice”?
And yes, I asked if you “ran out of juice” (aka battery depleted), then is the fuel efficiency still better than a regular ice 4 cylinder?
Prius PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle), which Toyota calls Prius Prime, is designed to combine the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) and the Hybrid System through the electric engine to power the vehicle.
As referenced in my previous response -in the paragraph about the capabilities of the electric system, the reference of "running out of juice" was meant to describe how the system "behaves" when the vehicle is engaged in Electric Mode. In this mode, the vehicle runs on electric engine only, with the "juice available". This mode has a few of limitations: limited range, limited speed and the current charge of the hybrid batteries. So, no matter what, when engaged in this mode, if you happen to reach the mileage range or your batteries get below (if I recall correctly,) 20% charge, the system is designed to disengage automatically from the Electric Mode and continue the drive by engaging the ICE to (1) provide the power to move the vehicle and (2) to recharge the batteries. Hence, my reference to "the hybrid system takes over automatically".
Therefore, under normal circumstances and with a vehicle in perfect running order, you cannot run out of battery (juice).
In another set of matters, the circumstances you are describing about you relative's vehicle are very odd.
If the vehicle, as you describe, is a Prius Prime (as you are mentioning the Plug-in feature) running with the gauge at 0% is not all how the vehicle is supposed to work or how the system was designed to work.
First of all, any Hybrid vehicle (not only Toyotas) is designed to start even if the hybrid batteries are drained out (not the small auxiliary battery).
So, under these circumstances, the auxiliary battery will crank up the ICE and this one will start charging the hybrid batteries. Therefore, the vehicle will start and run.
Otherwise, in the event that the system detects that the hybrid batteries are not being recharged, you will get a warning on the dashboard.
Second, while you are driving, if your hybrid batteries are depleted and the gauge shows 0% (somethingthat should not happen), that will mean that they are not being charged. And, then again, you will get a warning on your dashboard.
In both situations, if the hybrid batteries are not being recharged, the dashboard will tell you that there is a problem.
At this point whether or not you can use the Plug-in feature or that this method will do the job to recharge your hybrid batteries, I don't know. Nevertheless, you still have a problem. Because, even if this works, as soon as you take your car out (after unplugging), you will still get a warning on the dashboard.
In conclusion, if the vehicle you describe is running with 0% on the gauge then, I strongly recommend to take the car to the closest Toyota dealership because that is not how it is suppose to work.
PS: In the remote even that you are driving a Prius Prime with completely depleted batteries, with a warning light or ignoring it, if the car is still running on the ICE, the consumption you should expect would be the normal consumption of a conventional engine of the same size (depending on the Prius Plug-in generation that your relative owns)
The 350h is the better option from my perspective based solely on price. I am happy to drive the bulletproof naturally aspirated 4 cylinder/hybrid combo. No turbo to worry about and the hybrid setup is bulletproof as has been demonstrated through the years.
Nice, but Grossly overpriced. Transportation devices are 20-25% overpriced today. Best to wait a year or two as supply improves, competition increases and prices drop.
Dull and boxy design.
Fuel economy surprisingly poor for an electrified vehicle. ⛽️
😢
Yeah. So hard to get. Looking into getting a Audi Q5 e quattro instead
Good choice and much better
Audi is Euro NIGHTMARE volks wagon Dog.....Lexus is FAR AND AWAY A BETTER CAR!!!!!!!!!!@@konsen6149
@@konsen6149But not reliable
Why the back of the car shows RX 350 clearly at 9.07....Are you driving a Rx 350 ??
high price is a factor
Plus front grill ugyliness
Thank you for a fair and balanced review. I cannot justify paying 10k for the sake of getting a plug-in hybrid.
......DUMB reaction.............You do NOT even EVER have to use ANY GAS i.e. Premium at $4.75 per gal simply plug in to 120 house Volt for most /any around town.....and NEVER have ANY wear or Maintenance on the GAS engine...use only & always having a NEW back up engine using Reg Gas for any long trip....Well worth it!
🌹@@donaldbanner2185
@@donaldbanner2185 It's more expensive to buy electricity than gas where I live, for this car, but we bought one anyway, because it's a sweet ride. It would make a lot more economic sense if we had solar.
Do they offer it in the L version? (In the US)
I don't understand the reason to buy a hybrid luxury car. If you have $50k to buy this car, don't you have $500 each year for gas?
Basic math baffled you? Not to mention the environmental aspect.
@@cuongtrieu9549 Yes, basic math baffles me 😊. Show me something that is mathematically correctly proven which takes into account all the factors.
For 100 year
🥰Hunk TH-camr 🥰
Why would anyone wasting money on this PHEV. My PHEV is a 2016 Chevy Volt I owned for 5 years that I paid under $30k gets longer range similar size battery also 5 litre/100km when electric run out.
Had a Volt, fantastic ride and quick enough off the line. Probably one of the most economical phev on the planet. We just needed a bigger vehicle.
Isn’t it bad to Never run the ICE ?
Yes. If one could get away with never running the gas engine, they'd be better served with a pure ev.
As a Furd guy and he’ll tell you his FURD is better . Lol
beware, run flot tire on rx450 lux, nosy and bumpy when driving over roads with tar cracks and other defects. I voiced my concerns with Lexus , I was told to let air out tires. I purchase the 450 thinking that the 350 and 450 were the same, not aware about the run flat tires.
I'd kill for a corolla plug in
its coming
$70k for this, this is nice but just got a 2018 Chevy Volt for 19k which gives me 53 ev miles and drives like a dream, when my ev miles run out the gas generator kicks right on in, I get 42mpg on gas, best car I ever had😊
................................. This Model has a " NATURALLY ASPIRATED " engine ....NOT TURBO!!! so it does Not have the tin - y sound and as for sound in el;lectric this vehicle is whisper quiet................Additionally you are wrong on the 500H...it has a DOG Turbo and it is a bout the same 0-60 5.6 for this and 5.5 sec for the 500 H;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Why would Lexus lower the price when they dont have any thing to sell?
This is $1700/month to lease, in Canada. Who in the f***ing hell could afford to pay that?
$2000 insurance
To
Much money you need a morgage to buy one