Whenever I see L plates or a learner car on the road, I purposely give them extra space, extra time etc. I was a learner once, and I can spare a few extra seconds to let someone past. Odds are I would just get held at the next set of traffic lights anyway so what’s the point in barging past
@@inyexai8394 thing I always tell myself is I was a learner once. I was once nervous on the road, not knowing what to do etc. Someone beeping at them is not going to help at all
I love seeing learners on the road. I love driving myself and am into cars, and it's great seeing others gaining some independence. A couple seconds extra patience really helps set them up for a positive learning experience
@@Thomashorsman don’t talk stupid, they entered the junction on the wrong side of the road, no they didn’t have a clear view nor did they know how the Learner would reach. Braking the law just to get ahead of the Learner.
I find it strange how many people are in a rush when they're driving but as soon as they get out of the car the need to rush has been forgotten all of a sudden, like you never see them get out of their cars and start running. The learner at the end was funny, "bell end" lol
I would agree with the student. The van driver was a bit of a bellend, but at least he realized his impatience was making it worse and backed up. it could have been worse. :)
@@snoodysnoody8118 right!? Why the rush just when driving then snails pace as soon as the car stops moving? Is it just ego? Like "I'm the fastest driver on the road, nobody can beat me!" I can't think of another explanation, can you?
I agree and it will defiantly rub off on the students, teaching the forgotten skills of patience and consideration, the more people learn these vital skills the safer our roads will be.
Yes, i have calmed down IMMEASURABLY since discovering Ashley's channel. If i sense the red mist descending, i TRY to think 'how would this go down as a viewer submitted video' LOL
I'd love it if they could give registered driving instructors the power to report drivers for a fine or licence points for things like this. Perhaps driving standards around learner cars would then drastically improve.
I discussed something similar with the wife, registered instructors having the power to suspend a license until they take a resit... but you will always get that one who would abuse the power.
Sounds good on paper, till you realise your then technically empowering private individuals with police powers. Which goes against the whole idea of a public police force.
@@Anoobsession The problem is the potential of corruption, and the fact your stepping onto police power territory. And if you give driving instructors that power, then every self employed person will soon be asking them as well. Before long everyone who has a job dealing with certain areas will be demanding powers for that area.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD I don't think people are advocating that an instructor can immediately suspend any license they wish, but more along the lines of "act was caught on camera" "act is submitted for review by superiors or even police" "act has been deemed unacceptable and license is suspended".
I always give learners space and time. My day is never that rammed where I NEED to be somewhere. And 9/10 the instructor will acknowledge your patience and thank you for it
Exactly, would get wound up trying to rush when driving and increase the chance of an accident. If fail to get anywhere it's down to not giving enough of a buffer, chalk it up to experience.
@@andrewnorris5415 YES! this is precisely why I react as I do. MOST slow things on the road wind me up. A learner NEVER does, they relax me. My instructor had an attitude and bearing very similar to Ashley's... I hear his voice in my ear, as if I was the learner. Didn't take a chance at the roundabout? 'Good observation', as opposed to my reaction to non learners which is typically 'you could get a tank through that gap' as an Addendum, i also notice if the driving school vehicle has a passenger or not. If not, it's the instructor using the car. I follow their example. It's relaxing
is there is a need to say 'thanks' for someone who is required to wait and act in a manner that obeys law/HC in any case? Surely It's the very minimum one is expected to do, personally I don't need a wave, a flash of the lights or whatever. I get that people want to do it, but it's often done as part of a descalation/apology when you've done nothing wrong, there isn't a delay because the act is simply someone going about their business (in this situation learner drivers). That's not a pop at you, it's just we act out this thanking/apology wave etc just simply for being there and doing some as part of our every day lives.
I had a fun one the other week, I was behind a learner at the head of the queue of traffic lights who stalled as they pulled away, so on the next green I gave them space to make sure they were moving before I pulled off, and we both got a wonderful volley of horns behind us. If the learner stalled again and I'd gone into the back of them, the impatients would have been delayed even longer, but god forbid they think beyond the immediate inconvenience 🙄
@@Rumym8 I was at traffic lights at the front and this car behind me beeped while the traffic lights were still on amber. People seem to forget the concept of road rules They then proceeded to overtake me when it was illegal to overtake me, when they could have legally overtaken me 30 seconds prior, but I guess me sticking to the 50mph speed limit was too slow for them
It blows my mind that a simple "L Plate" on a car can make people consider you inferior. Everyone was a learner. I'd hate to be hassled by other road users while learning to deal with different situations/maneuverers.
I remember when I was about to do my test (a long time ago now) asking my instructor if it was worth getting ‘P’ plates and he advised me against it because they are not required by law and just give other motorists licence to tailgate you.
The L-plate does mean that you have to be aware that there is a learner behind the steering wheel, but don't put them in a situation where you don't want to be in yourself in the first place.
I'm with your learner at 6:37. "Bell-end" is about right regarding that van driver who was so determined to force his way through when you were trying to give him enough room to get past comfortably...
This really takes me back to my learning days. The intense sense of insecurity and the ace driving instructor keeping you calm. Especially the second clip.
They were all learners once, but I’ll bet if you asked em I picked it up really quick. I didn’t even need lessons cos my dad let me drive once Passed first time , driving’s easy They should stay off the road till they can drive Etc etc
I have heard certain people say this. According to them either you are naturally good at driving or you just not meant to be on the road . I highly disagree with this mindset . Driving is a skill that can be learned by most individuals with the right teacher .
I picked it up about as fast as anyone could really. I had about 30 1 hour lessons and then passed everything first time. Videos like this helped me so much and i still stick around as it helps me maintain good habits. I feel i am a very good safe driver. I talk to my friends and family, even my mom tells me she speeds sometimes but i never do... never.
Let's extend this to not only driving schools but L-plates on personal cars too. My partner is learning to drive and the poor driving that happens around us is tenfold compared to when I drive my own car. What people don't realise is L-plates don't always mean it's a learner driving, and people don't half get a shock when I pull onto a roundabout quicker than they were expecting (trying to pull out in front of me instead of giving way) or pull away from a junction quicker than them.
Doing 60 in a 60 in my car? No problem. Doing 60 in a 60 in the learner car? People overtaking in stupid places, pulling out too close, sitting right on our arse. It's as if that red L on the white square hypnotises some people to drive like knob ends.
It’s a real shame Ashley this is an every day occurrence in a driving school car. Last week I took a lad to be honest had been taught by his Gran and she done a fantastic job. I only gave him a couple of two hour lessons to give him a few pointers and correct any little mistakes he had. The first week he drove like a dream but the second he got his test nerves as he was one week away from his test and I had a new car. We came onto a very busy road and this man may or may not have given some sort of clue that he was letting this lad out of a junction but he gave him absolutely no time before giving him a lot of abuse for not going. Then followed a lady who did exactly the same thing where the traffic was going absolutely nowhere, it was stop start traffic and she wouldn’t stop to give the lad a chance to get out. Lucky for the lad he was of strong character and with a bit of chat from me about how he was getting rid of his nerves before the test on this last Friday morning, he passed. As an instructor we’ve seen it done it and got the T-shirt and to be honest I don’t care when we get a bit of abuse but the students do and it hits them hard sometimes. All these people that are doing this are parents of learners, potential learners and past learners or maybe grandparents of the same.When I have talked to instructors over the years who have given up they always without one single exception say they gave up because of the traffic and the way they are treated.
Did you mean gave up because of the people operating the machines on the road rather than just the sheer weight/density of traffic? As a person who now only cycles as my mode of transport, I hear the same thing said regards people who used to cycle to work, now they drive because of the stress/fear of getting smashed into and the aggression from drivers. The sad thing is I've seen an improvement in a decent % of those in the metal boxes around vulnerable road users, but there is a significant portion that are not just crap and selfish but dangerous AF, and these people are either unwilling to admit their errors and/or they can't see the problem in their actions so they never change, these are the ones that are more likely to be involved in a KSI. It's just a shit show all round these days for everyone.
@@ynotnilknarf39 The traffic today is horrendous for all road users. I stopped riding a bike on the road because of the traffic and my daughter will never ride her bike on the road. We have bikes but ride them in Local woods . When I first got back a bike after many years of not riding one within five minutes a car overtook me as I was going round a parked car and nearly push me into it so I said to myself it’s not worth my life riding on the road with these idiots.
@@molamh853 Cars Safety features make the driver feel safe and then they take bigger risks without really thinking about the consequences. I always say, if we put 1980s brakes back into cars we would all drive safer.
@@molamh853 I agree with you 100% in everything you said. Approximately seven years ago while on a driving lesson we edged out of a very restricted view junction in a quiet cul-de-sac. A very elderly gentleman well in his 90s decided as he put it to me afterwards he had right away and drove straight at us and crashed into the car. For weeks afterwards I kept questioning myself, what could I have done differently and then one day a nice summers day we had the windows down. We could hear cars coming and that was the cause of the crash over soundproofing on the little Hyundai i10. I teach my pupils now when we get to a less than good vision junction to drop the window. All technology is doing with these gizmos is keeping the death rate even not making it any safer. I have just purchased a new Hyundai i10 and the lane discipline is switched on permanently or what I really meant to say is I can switch it off but it has to be done on every single journey. You can go into the menu and change it from steering to just bleeping but when you switch it off and it goes back to default steering. I have now noticed when we switch it off I still think it is actually trying to correct your steering on a Straight road. the other day I try and experiment and went past a cyclist without signalling, the car was trying its hardest to steer me back in and hit the cyclist. Could be a help on motorways but not on the roads in the UK. You’ve now got started on my pet peeve about today’s cars, gizmos
@@molamh853 My daughter has a Volkswagen up and she loves it. I was tempted to buy the Up but I love i10 and like the Up. My daughter says she will drive her car until it falls to pieces as she doesn’t want any other car,ever. I just wrote a little piece on my Facebook page for my driving school about the first two weeks with the new car . I ended it was saying my next post will be about gizmos. Maybe I’ll start it now.
👍 We all have a responsibility to show this. Learner drivers, and, perhaps even more so, newly qualified drivers, get to learn driving culture and the “unwritten” driving rules from all of us. If we show that it’s okay to deviate and be a grade A knob, then that attitude will become more widespread.
I love the way you describe the way that you're thinking of how to help out other drivers but they aren't even thinking of it themselves. I see that every day. Goodness alone knows what it's like when you've got a driving school sign on the roof.
Even if it was the learner driver's fault (which it wasn't) the other driver should still cut them some slack and understand that they're a learner who sometimes makes mistakes because they're a learner!
I've been driving for a good few years now and I still dread situations like 2:41. Impatient people just blasting through between parked cars not giving way and making what should be a simple situation into an awkward mess. You can do everything right and someone will find a way to block the road.
I feel for learner drivers. I drive a work car with a logo and yesterday was badly bullied by 2 fast and uber aggressive drivers who took offence to someone obeying a speed limit. Possibly they were fueled by drugs and or alcohol. I tend not to react and cower as I'm a gentle person, but it is an unnerving experience. In any situation BULLYING SOMEONE ELSE IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR.
I passed my driving test today - thanks to Ashley! 😁 Now I'm officially no longer a Learner, I will still be watching and learning from these videos, and will treat all road users, especially Learners, with respect 💖
Depending on your first car you'll still get treated similarly. I had a small Corsa and people still pushed me around until I switched to a motorcycle and suddenly I get a lot more respect
Regarding that second clip, what I have realised is that as a young female driver this happens to me quite often. Older drivers keep barging in expecting everyone to give them way, when most of the time the obstruction is on their side or there is no where for a person to back up to. Had a very close call a month ago with a taxi driver, our wing mirrors were centimetres away from each other all because he refused to slow down. I dont allow myself to get bullied on the road, but sometimes it’s better to take the high road and let the idiots be. Not long ago a car cut me off, he was at a give way line to leave a car park and i was on the main road (30mph), he proceeded to barge through with no indication whatsoever and when i beeped at him he got out the car and started threatening me. Never again I will just sit patiently and let them be, not risking my life for people with massive egos
Remember the horn isn't there to reprimand or protest. It's there to warn of danger. If you react to the danger soon enough, you probably don't need the horn.
As a van driver, I also get this attitude every day from car drivers assuming I will delay them. Although it's not excusable, it is possibly part of the reason why some van drivers push into inappropriate gaps because they feel that otherwise they won't go anywhere.
How I see it is I was there once, the student is learning now and I’d rather help nurture a good driver or fellow petrolhead than scare them off the road.
I would remark that despite being correct at 2:43 it would have helped to mitigate the oncoming drivers impatience by directing your pupil to steer the vehicle into to gap on the left between the parked cars. This would have allowed the oncoming vehicle which became stuck adjacent to you to go around and clear the narrowing, even though they should have held back but did not.
A lot of the time this sort of impatient behaviour just creates more issues, and likely don't see any benefit to their journey progress. I think these sort of instances are powerplays because their own confidence behind the wheel elevates their own worth on the road.
People tailgating learners gets me. Not sure it was the best plan, but I ended up getting my lad to stop in the middle of the road while I politely went to ask the driver of the car three inches from our back bumper to back off.
Didn't start driving till I was 30 and the treatment is unreal, disgusts me the attitude people have for learners. Since I passed I've always given learners space and patience.
I treat learners with space and respect by being impatient you can fluster the pupil taking longer and there is nothing wrong with respect as we were all learners at one time.i have only once bullied a learner as i was rushing my little lad to hospital with blood poring from his head but i did ring the instructor after to apologise to him and his pupil explaining the situation i was in
Ashley, it’s the same for us lorry drivers, some folks in cars and vans have no consideration and the lack of awareness, patience and space causes problems for us in such a large vehicle, as I drive a class 2 box. Many inconsiderate drivers don’t realise what it takes to stop and manoeuvre something close to 30 feet long when queue jumping and bad positioning, I can’t understand why there is a sense of entitlement in drivers of Britain today.
It's not just learner drivers who experience this, but it also affects anyone driving a type of car that others automatically think you must be a slow. After my wife passed her test, we bought an older 1.0 Micra. But she'll always complain about others cutting he up or doing similar actions (despite her actually being a good driver - had no issues allowing her to drive my Mondeo ST). It was when I started using her car sometimes as a local run-around, I then found the same thing happening to me. Blatantly its the Micra giving out an impression that I'll be slow. Never experienced the same behaviour from others when in my larger/faster car. Though, like the example of the situation with mini in this vid, I found it always funny when they get out caught out after they realise how quickly off the mark I always was! Same alos when waiting at two lane junctions, where they'd try to overtake on the left.
When I see you guys and obviously with a student by the style of driving. I will always give you time and space and expect the unexpected, as I remember what it was like for myself.
I passed last week and the biggest difference i have noticed now that the L plates are gone, is cars emerging from junctions don't just pull out in front of me now.
I have and always give learners space and time, I remember how daunting it is being a learner, must be even more so now with the volume of traffic on the roads,
I always give learners plenty of time and am patient because I was a learner once and only over take if necessary and safe to show them an example of a safe overtake
im learning, and i got my test booked this month, I keep to the speed limit, and especially around schools when its 20mph. And the amount of cars up my ass , even some beep at me! Im learning to pass! We are their future when we pass.
Hats off to the learner. He could have got flustered in these situations very easily. I have to agree, the Sprinter driver is a bell. Great vid as always!!
@@alanhindmarch7682 there's plenty of room for pedestrians, not much room for cars. Looks pretty obvious to me.... And there would still be plenty of room for both with a couple of wheels on the kerb
It always fascinates me that road users in these busy narrow streets think acceleration is a better decision than braking. I often find it a blessing in disguise when there is a learner car in this scenario because, by their very nature, they have a trained and experienced driver in them that help resolve these situations to everyone's mutual benefit. Why would you not just hang back and defer to what they are trying to do instead of accelerating up to their bonnet, slotting into a tiny gap and pointlessly gesticulate at them for thirty seconds?
Imo the van's the only justifiable one, with you two on his blind side and the vans opposite, he wanted the space you were about to reverse into to clear the rear end, then shunt if needed to straighten up and pull away. His mistake was in hesitating and causing confusion as to his intentions.
Umm no because there wasn't the space for them to get through and that was blatently obvious right from the beginning. The van driver could've waited behind the line of parked vehicles but didn't.
@@cjmillsnun how long do you want him to wait? If he'd let the student reverse alongside the fiat van, he wouldn't have gone through either. The manoeuvre they did was the only way the van was getting through, he's certainly being impatient but he also can't hang around for a 5 minute debriefing until Ashley swaps over and pulls away.
It baffles me how some people do this to learner vehicles. And I feel that Sprinter (was it a sprinter?) was rather optimistic about trying to squeeze past. But they did yield at first so credit there.
One thing that changed my view on driving/riding is an accident in which I was involved. I was going straight through a T-junction with car in front of me and one car from oncoming lane waiting to turn left (I'm from Croatia just to not be confused). Car in front of me went through the junction and I was following it when car from oncoming lane suddenly turned left and I had nowhere to go. I wasn't speeding (was doing 40-45km/h in a 50km/h zone) so there wasn't much damage on my car, but still from that moment on I became more observant and more patient. I was of a mindset that "I have the right of way and you have to wait". Now, if someone is waiting to turn or to merge in or to exit their parking space by reversing if there is no one behind (because you never know how patient the one behind is) I tend to slow down or stop if needed to let them do their thing. Also if I'm in a queue that is going slowly I tend to move to the right edge of my lane as much as I can so that bicycles, scooters, mopeds and motorcycles can get past. I won't gain or loose anything so why not make it simpler for them.
This is one thing where I CAN hold myself up as a shining example. (Sorry to blow own trumpet). Maybe it's having been an exclusive cyclist/pedestrian till my mid 30s, and learning to drive relatively late, but even now, learner drivers are one thing I will NOT get upset about. It calms me actually. If i am in a road ragey mood (it happens)... and I see a learner ahead, i keep distance. I want the instructor to be saying 'the guy behind is not pressuring us'... I remember the terror of stalling out at a set of lights and getting beeped at 0.025 seconds later all too clearly. In no other way am I a good driver, i'm merely average, but on this, i am apparently ahead of the curve. The one bad example I do tend to do is flash lights at learners to say 'no, you first'. One, as you, Ashley are always saying, it's prone to misinterpretation and unnecessary; and two, the instructor is probably telling the student to let ME through (being in a white van lol)
I love being behind a learner driver because I hated my lessons and know how terrified students can be, so I take it slow and hold back. I think it's way better for them to be in front of me than a raging driver, often when they're trying to do a simple manoeuvre and getting it wrong I'm cheering encouragement from my car! I was at a 4 lane roundabout and the learner was in the wrong lane, signalling to go left, which was a bit difficult for me as I wanted to go slow in case they turned, but also knew I had to keep traffic flowing. I had to remind myself they had an instructor who wouldn't let them just pull out in front of me - although I did wonder why they didn't say just keep going ahead now you're in the wrong lane.
Even as a non learner & having a full UK licence, its amazing how many drivers are impatient just to gain a few seconds, have to over take you , take a massive risk, just to get one car infront & then be held up in the same queue, can never work it out.....
We were all learners once. Whenever there is a learner in front of me, I give the space in case they make a mistake and if you crowd them, learners will get nervous. The more you get impatient, the more you will get held up as learners may start to panick. I experienced this myself so give learners space.
2:30 classic muppet move: drive into a space that the other road user could have used to help ease the flow of traffic and to get arsey when the traffic flow has suddenly congested. All down to a mix of entitlement impatience and poor planning.
I'm afraid I find that a bit snobby. I recently returned my company car, a Ford mondeo titanium estate, in order to benefit from getting the car allowance instead. And as it was at the start of this whole pandemic thing and nobody was driving anywhere it made no sense to buy an expensive car to just sit on the driveway looking pretty whilst depreciating and costing me thousands. So I bought a 1yr old Skoda fabia for £8k to tie me over. It's great. I'd forgotten just how easy and worry free having a small, efficient and manoeuvrable cheap car can be, and with the amount I've been saving over the big company car it'll have paid for itself in 2years. The cars that many people dismiss as PoS can be great fun and there's no need to "rush about". In truth the Fabia is happier at 60 than 70.
I think the key bits are the chilling out or the rushing - not whether you're doing it in a snobby car or not. I'd rather be a chilled driver in a cheap car than a pushy Tesla rushing round thinking they own the road.
When I’m out and about on the roads, I’m always extra patient around learners. Before I was allowed out on my own, I had to learn, things can happen really quickly and take time to figure out and decide if / how to continue. If they’re ahead of me, I’ll leave around a 3 second gap, rather than the 2, just so they don’t feel pressured by me to drive in a way they don’t yet have the skills for. If they’re stopped at lights, I’ll leave extra room between us, so they don’t feel rushed, making a stall more likely, and I don’t move forwards until they’ve successfully got the vehicle going. If they’re stopped at the side of the road, possibly discussing something that just happened, I pass them like I would a cyclist.
Yeah I do agree with that and I am the same, in some ways though, that sort of treatment is not exclusive to learners. I often get very impatient people behind me as I stick to the speed limits, not under, but right on (conditions allowing) with the speed limiter enabled and some drivers will sit an inch off my boot lid or pull a dangerous overtake etc. Where I am going with this? Encountering these asshats whilst learning provides some very valuable lessons for those first few months you head out alone. If you always have nice, patient people around you whilst learning....oh boy are you going to get a shock when the plates come off! Bit of a rock and a hard place.
@@DrWhosmate yeah, I’m in a sign written green van most of the time, it’s just had ‘lightfoot’ installed which means I have to accelerate slowly, or risk a telling off from management for “harsh acceleration” and I’m limited to 56, so regularly get overtaken by artics on the motorway, as they’re limited to 58. A lot of car drivers (and many van drivers) also don’t realise that a van speed limit is 10mph below on national speed limit roads, so combine with enforced slow acceleration and reduced speed limit, it leads to frustrated drivers following / overtaking dangerously.
@@Dust76tr Yeah, not a fan of technology creep coming in and sanitising everything, however, I do appreciate the safety aspects. With the new EU law coming into effect in 2022, all new cars will have mandatory limiters and data loggers on them. So much like your social media and phone etc etc, you might own it, but it's allegiance will be to the state. I know we are not part of the EU anymore, but I highly doubt that the car companies will eat the cost of making different cars for our market, also, with our current government, I see them embracing authoritarian mandates like this with open arms. We are not that far behind Scotland where having the wrong opinion in your own home can warrant a bobby at the door...Alexa finds your question problematic and has lodged a complaint with your local police station! lol. Sorry, I digress, I just don't like the route we seem to be headed! At what point does all this restriction end? When we are all identical, only ever free to follow a pre-determined, pre-approved hymn sheet? It may seem a little dramatic, but just look at how far we have come in terms of restrictive laws and systems since even just 5 years ago...maybe the grey goo world Prince Charles warned of will be from technology, just not the nano bots going mad and chewing everything up, just making everything dull and pointless. Cheery thought for the day! :-D
@@DrWhosmate in work vehicles, I fully understand the need for telematics. What I don’t agree with is the fact that we have to accelerate dangerously slowly to keep a little box happy. Joining a motorway is dangerous, because the box would rather you accelerate slowly and join at 30mph, so you have to ignore it, accelerate a little more briskly than it likes, while displaying red lights in your face, giving you ‘nudges’ and penalties, lowering your driving score because you’re building speed to join a motorway and if your driving score is ‘low’ because you’ve had to accelerate to get up to a safe speed, you get told off by management. At the moment, we don’t live in Russia but it seems that we’re heading that way, that you can’t do anything without someone else’s permission
I have some thoughts for this. Mr Neal i do enjoy your videos and i'm new to watching the Channel but just a couple of points. 1) People treating learner drivers like sub humans. I agree with pretty much most of what you are saying but i have to point out that there are some learner drivers who clearly do not have the required confidence to get out onto the main road. I understand its a learning curve and i can remember i was quite a confident/eager learner driver back in 2001 right after my 17th birthday when i had my lessons (so i may be biased) but clearly some learner drivers need more time on quieter roads/car parks before getting into the main roads. While i don't condone it i do see why some people get frustrated with learners. 2) BMW drivers have a reputation for being elitists/comments made previously about people who drive cars with big engines. I myself Mr Neal like you drive a BMW, its an M340i with about 370 odd HP but if you where to see me driving on the road you would probably think its wasted on me as i drive like an old person. I dont rev my engine or anything like that and 95% of the time im an old fart behind the wheel unless im on a country road with national speed limit. 3) Range Rover Drivers. Lets be honest here, most people who drive Range Rovers can't drive. They need a big car for their own protection probably from bullets as a consequence of being in the drug trade most likely. Driven by mainly meat heads or their birds who are usually about 20 years younger than them who can't drive anyway as they cant see through their massive designer sunglasses. Keep up the good videos!
It's really crazy on roundabouts as a learner too, I have had to brake about 5 times while on a roundabout because some drivers approach, see the L plate and don't give way. It's like they just assume every learner is crawling around a roundabout, they don't have the patience to wait an extra 10 seconds and they can move out in any gap. It's the main thing I notice when I am a passenger in a car compared to driving with L plates. It's an added stress because no matter how close I am to them I am always wary of traffic coming from the left when I am on a roundabout.
I was humbled last Saturday..i was behind a learner on a massive around about and the learner took their time even though it was a clear for them to go and for a moment I was annoyed but then I remembered that 2 years ago that was me.. I will say after months with no learners on the road I forgot..really felt ashamed of myself..
The opposite actually happened to me this morning on my way to work here in The Netherlands. I was driving down a road near where I live where 50 km/h is the speed limit. A car approached from behind, going too fast. When it got closer I could see it was a driving school. While I was driving the speed limit he overtook me and accelerated even more. There was just the driver in it, so I assume the driving instructor. Not the best way to advertise your driving school, I guess.
I always give learner drivers the space and time they need. Will even give them priority if no one else is about and they are turning onto a road. Got to remember that everyone was once a learner even yourself after you have your license.
Today I’ve had 3 incidents with driving school vehicles failing to give way to my bus, one on a roundabout looking straight at me and just pulled out as if I wasn’t there, second was i was leaving a bus stop it comes from directly behind with the instructor holding his hand out the passenger window either telling me stop or to say sorry I couldn’t tell, third I stopped at traffic lights to turn left he pulled up beside me and turned directly into my path! It seems as if the last few months off has given some instructors a lack of care on the road.
Driving narrow tight streets is a pain at the best of times but where I live we have roads that are rated as 60mph and have grass in the middle of the road and are more narrow than most city roads and more often than not YOU have to reverse at least 500 yards even if they are next to the pull in / passing place. Or is it because my car isn’t new, and I’m not on holiday!
As a rule of thumb you can gauge how many lessons a learner has had by where you encounter them around here. Make allowances for all learners but make extra allowances for those on the first or second lesson. I have no problems with driving school vehicles. The mobile road blocks round and about here would would not pass a test for failing to make sufficient progress - 15mph in a 30 or 40 mph zone with excellent conditions with minimal or no hazards.
L plates on and waiting at the end of my street to turn right last week and a car comes up from behind and overtakes me to turn left, right there at the junction, such a stupid and dangerous manoeuvre, especially seeing the L plates which I assume prompted this behaviour, had I not been paying attention I might have decided to pull out as he overtook me. I'm seeing a lot more reckless driving since the easing of lockdown and I don't know if that's just coincidence or if people are feeling especially frustrated right now. Great video as always Ash.
4:17 We see a Mercedes van parked in a one way street. There is an enormous amount of space available at the end of the road for an easy emerge left if the driver gets sorted out early on. About twenty seconds later our rear camera reveals that the van's emerge was not that good as it has the reverse back to emerge without hitting parked cars. I think the driver is not impatient as much as incompetent.
It's so easy to get frustrated when you're behind a slower learner. But only those who are mentally strong enough are able to overcome that frustration and remember that everybody has to start somewhere, and we were all learners once. The people you see in this video are mentally weak because they can't get past that frustration and their own selfish thoughts about themselves. This is the way I look at it, anyway.
@@davenz000 Like everyone who parks on a junction creating a hazard in the video. Wonder when the last time that was enforced on an urban street. It became surprisingly common in beauty spots during the last year for people to be ticketed for parking inappropriately so why not normally?
I had one yesterday. We were turning right from a main road to a minor and there was a car approaching which slowed down and waved us across despite it having priority. My learner is doing really well but is only about 8 hours in so is still taking a couple of seconds to move off. As we started moving, the car opposite must have got bored and started moving again as we didn’t move within 00000.5 of a second and I had to slam on. If you are being nice enough to let a learner go, at least give them a few more seconds than normal to get going.
I'm currently on my pink badge. I was out with a pupil the other day we came to queue at a set of lights. As we were pulling away my pupil stalled, a bloke in a land rover decided he wanted to get in front and overtook us. Only to end up having stop at the lights. My pupil said and I quote. "He's a bellend"!
@Amtsf You have been informed wrongly then, anything can be reported i have reported many tailgaters who have gotten points and fines, i have even reported those who drive like donkeys against learner driver cars too and they have also been fined and given warnings, so there is plenty that can be done dont ever think nothing can be done boss
@Amtsf neither but theres been a crackdown on antisocial and reckless driving country wide so send in your clips to the police with reg plate and the location and they will respond. I live in a ok area, but crime is bad here, they still make time for small things like this even if it takes month someone will look at it. I just wish they responded to actual reports as well involving attacks and stuff but they dont.
I'm a Bus Driver and I think that the majority of drivers out there are impatient. I've had some do risky manoeuvres from roundabouts just to 'beat the bus', people pulling out of junctions, not letting me pull out of Bus stops, tailgating is increasingly common - people have just lost the plot when it comes to driving. What a selfish attitude so many drivers have.
Bus & lorry drivers were the only nice drivers on the road when I was learning to drive. I try to be nice to everybody, but buses & HGVs get the VIP treatment :)
People like this are so annoying... Just wait! I failed my driving test the other day on the last turn of getting back into the test centre because the oncoming driver who has given me way decided to pull out in front of me as I was in line with his car, causing me to have to steer to the left to avoid him crashing into me. 0 minors and 1 major overall. Fuming. Regardless thanks for you videos Ashley, certainly has helped me to improve my driving loads!
I've said it before, the box isn't the issue. You were half right though, folk are impatient (to be polite about it). I drove a Tesla Model X (P100D). I don't know if people were jealous, or trying to test the "auto pilot" but buy did they come out of the woodwork. I ride a bike in/around Liverpool, and they're always not looking. If anything, it's worse now that people are allowed to travel again. You'd be surprised at the 3min mark on a motorbike - most will just assume you'll move over & continue like you're not there.
The box van in the last clip had to move when he did before the gap between your car and the parked van opposite was becoming too narrow for him to fit through. Even the red car had to negotiate it carefully and that was a lot more narrow than the box van.
I always give learners extra room and time, however, the only thing the frustrates me is some instructors not pushing students to put their foot down on dual carriageways or country roads. It is frankly dangerous for a car to be travelling at 30mph on dual carriageways or country roads as other road users aren't expecting that sort of speed. But, I see countless instances where other drivers are completely inpatient with learners and frankly it is out of order and dangerous. Patience is a virtue
Rush hour traffic ☑ Daily accidents on the M6 somewhere between junction 5 and 9 ☑ Impatient MGIF drivers ☑ Yep. We're getting closer to normal now. Shame. As a lorry driver, lockdown was a golden era to be a driver. Clear empty roads, no headache from car drivers with an itchy throttle foot. Ah yes, good times. Now its back to this crap. Is a couple of seconds really that much to ask for?
Delivery driver myself. Late last March to June was spooky quiet in my area on the roads. June/July, people would be blasting through crossroads expecting no-one to be there. August onwards people have forgotten how to drive, still not too busy though. Last few weeks, absolute carnage!
One thing I was shocked about while I was a learner was BMWs.. not for the reason you think. I heard the usual stereotypes of BMWs, but no other drivers helped me more on the road than BMW drivers. Anytime I’d be pulling off a Main Street into a side road they’d always flash to let me go. Every single time.
it's amazing how many drivers forget they were once learners
Question is, are we getting promoted?
That promoted question is even more funnier than the bell end at the end of the vid🤣😂🤣
Are you sure all people have passed their test?
@@Otis19450 who’s your team Otis?
Hello DJRoyston18 This should make you laugh Nufc 😂🤣😂 no I don't really follow it!
Whenever I see L plates or a learner car on the road, I purposely give them extra space, extra time etc. I was a learner once, and I can spare a few extra seconds to let someone past. Odds are I would just get held at the next set of traffic lights anyway so what’s the point in barging past
Am the same myself.
if only everyone was like you..
@@inyexai8394 thing I always tell myself is I was a learner once. I was once nervous on the road, not knowing what to do etc. Someone beeping at them is not going to help at all
I think thats the worst thing to do, they need to get used to other normal cars, so keep the regular 2 car distance.
I love seeing learners on the road. I love driving myself and am into cars, and it's great seeing others gaining some independence. A couple seconds extra patience really helps set them up for a positive learning experience
How dangerous was the mini driver just to gain a few seconds
It wasn’t that dangerous, they had a clear view up the road
@@Thomashorsman don’t talk stupid, they entered the junction on the wrong side of the road, no they didn’t have a clear view nor did they know how the Learner would reach. Braking the law just to get ahead of the Learner.
@@alanhindmarch7682 I think they would likely have done that no matter who was in front. Just plain impatient.
@@Thomashorsman I hope you don't drive
@@VictorKibalchich he was probably driving the mini, or he drives like that.
I find it strange how many people are in a rush when they're driving but as soon as they get out of the car the need to rush has been forgotten all of a sudden, like you never see them get out of their cars and start running. The learner at the end was funny, "bell end" lol
I would agree with the student. The van driver was a bit of a bellend, but at least he realized his impatience was making it worse and backed up. it could have been worse. :)
I agree , I saw someone rushing down the road and once they got to their destination . They literally sat in the car for about 5 to 10 minutes .
@@snoodysnoody8118 right!? Why the rush just when driving then snails pace as soon as the car stops moving? Is it just ego? Like "I'm the fastest driver on the road, nobody can beat me!" I can't think of another explanation, can you?
@@TheGreg6466 I can and you'll find it in this book......The power of now by Eckhart Tolle.
Well unless they're running from the police lmao
Constantly impressed by your patience, Ashley. Some people seem to pass their test and find they have a license to be a bell-end.
I agree and it will defiantly rub off on the students, teaching the forgotten skills of patience and consideration, the more people learn these vital skills the safer our roads will be.
Yes, i have calmed down IMMEASURABLY since discovering Ashley's channel. If i sense the red mist descending, i TRY to think 'how would this go down as a viewer submitted video' LOL
That's why it's a category B licence!!! 😂
I'd love it if they could give registered driving instructors the power to report drivers for a fine or licence points for things like this. Perhaps driving standards around learner cars would then drastically improve.
I discussed something similar with the wife, registered instructors having the power to suspend a license until they take a resit... but you will always get that one who would abuse the power.
Sounds good on paper, till you realise your then technically empowering private individuals with police powers. Which goes against the whole idea of a public police force.
As long as its caught on camera then I don't see the problem
@@Anoobsession The problem is the potential of corruption, and the fact your stepping onto police power territory. And if you give driving instructors that power, then every self employed person will soon be asking them as well.
Before long everyone who has a job dealing with certain areas will be demanding powers for that area.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD I don't think people are advocating that an instructor can immediately suspend any license they wish, but more along the lines of "act was caught on camera" "act is submitted for review by superiors or even police" "act has been deemed unacceptable and license is suspended".
I always give learners space and time. My day is never that rammed where I NEED to be somewhere. And 9/10 the instructor will acknowledge your patience and thank you for it
Exactly, would get wound up trying to rush when driving and increase the chance of an accident. If fail to get anywhere it's down to not giving enough of a buffer, chalk it up to experience.
@@andrewnorris5415 YES! this is precisely why I react as I do. MOST slow things on the road wind me up. A learner NEVER does, they relax me. My instructor had an attitude and bearing very similar to Ashley's... I hear his voice in my ear, as if I was the learner. Didn't take a chance at the roundabout? 'Good observation', as opposed to my reaction to non learners which is typically 'you could get a tank through that gap'
as an Addendum, i also notice if the driving school vehicle has a passenger or not. If not, it's the instructor using the car. I follow their example. It's relaxing
The instructors don't seem to where I am (occasionally they do ofc), but I'm thinking more about the learner's benefit than their's anyway.
is there is a need to say 'thanks' for someone who is required to wait and act in a manner that obeys law/HC in any case? Surely It's the very minimum one is expected to do, personally I don't need a wave, a flash of the lights or whatever.
I get that people want to do it, but it's often done as part of a descalation/apology when you've done nothing wrong, there isn't a delay because the act is simply someone going about their business (in this situation learner drivers).
That's not a pop at you, it's just we act out this thanking/apology wave etc just simply for being there and doing some as part of our every day lives.
I had a fun one the other week, I was behind a learner at the head of the queue of traffic lights who stalled as they pulled away, so on the next green I gave them space to make sure they were moving before I pulled off, and we both got a wonderful volley of horns behind us. If the learner stalled again and I'd gone into the back of them, the impatients would have been delayed even longer, but god forbid they think beyond the immediate inconvenience 🙄
been there
its not fun as alearner when your at the front you start panicking
@@Rumym8 I was at traffic lights at the front and this car behind me beeped while the traffic lights were still on amber. People seem to forget the concept of road rules
They then proceeded to overtake me when it was illegal to overtake me, when they could have legally overtaken me 30 seconds prior, but I guess me sticking to the 50mph speed limit was too slow for them
It blows my mind that a simple "L Plate" on a car can make people consider you inferior. Everyone was a learner. I'd hate to be hassled by other road users while learning to deal with different situations/maneuverers.
Dara O'Briain's skit on that very subject was awesome...
I remember when I was about to do my test (a long time ago now) asking my instructor if it was worth getting ‘P’ plates and he advised me against it because they are not required by law and just give other motorists licence to tailgate you.
The L-plate does mean that you have to be aware that there is a learner behind the steering wheel,
but don't put them in a situation where you don't want to be in yourself in the first place.
I'm with your learner at 6:37. "Bell-end" is about right regarding that van driver who was so determined to force his way through when you were trying to give him enough room to get past comfortably...
This really takes me back to my learning days. The intense sense of insecurity and the ace driving instructor keeping you calm. Especially the second clip.
Another Mini driver who thinks they have a high performance sports car.
mini car. Mini mind.
It’s the BMW DNA in them, it gives them a percentage of bell end
Tbf I learnt in a decent spec one and they are pretty rapid
aye Ana lol exhautS sounded blown
They were all learners once, but I’ll bet if you asked em
I picked it up really quick.
I didn’t even need lessons cos my dad let me drive once
Passed first time , driving’s easy
They should stay off the road till they can drive
Etc etc
Yeah, a green student is the easiest to teach. I feel...
I have heard certain people say this. According to them either you are naturally good at driving or you just not meant to be on the road . I highly disagree with this mindset . Driving is a skill that can be learned by most individuals with the right teacher .
I picked it up about as fast as anyone could really. I had about 30 1 hour lessons and then passed everything first time. Videos like this helped me so much and i still stick around as it helps me maintain good habits. I feel i am a very good safe driver. I talk to my friends and family, even my mom tells me she speeds sometimes but i never do... never.
As a bus driver who worked through the lockdowns. Saw a massive drop in driving standard and patience afterwards.
Let's extend this to not only driving schools but L-plates on personal cars too. My partner is learning to drive and the poor driving that happens around us is tenfold compared to when I drive my own car. What people don't realise is L-plates don't always mean it's a learner driving, and people don't half get a shock when I pull onto a roundabout quicker than they were expecting (trying to pull out in front of me instead of giving way) or pull away from a junction quicker than them.
I've just posted a sort of similar comment, then read yours and thought, yes!
Doing 60 in a 60 in my car? No problem. Doing 60 in a 60 in the learner car? People overtaking in stupid places, pulling out too close, sitting right on our arse. It's as if that red L on the white square hypnotises some people to drive like knob ends.
It’s a real shame Ashley this is an every day occurrence in a driving school car. Last week I took a lad to be honest had been taught by his Gran and she done a fantastic job. I only gave him a couple of two hour lessons to give him a few pointers and correct any little mistakes he had. The first week he drove like a dream but the second he got his test nerves as he was one week away from his test and I had a new car. We came onto a very busy road and this man may or may not have given some sort of clue that he was letting this lad out of a junction but he gave him absolutely no time before giving him a lot of abuse for not going. Then followed a lady who did exactly the same thing where the traffic was going absolutely nowhere, it was stop start traffic and she wouldn’t stop to give the lad a chance to get out. Lucky for the lad he was of strong character and with a bit of chat from me about how he was getting rid of his nerves before the test on this last Friday morning, he passed. As an instructor we’ve seen it done it and got the T-shirt and to be honest I don’t care when we get a bit of abuse but the students do and it hits them hard sometimes. All these people that are doing this are parents of learners, potential learners and past learners or maybe grandparents of the same.When I have talked to instructors over the years who have given up they always without one single exception say they gave up because of the traffic and the way they are treated.
Did you mean gave up because of the people operating the machines on the road rather than just the sheer weight/density of traffic?
As a person who now only cycles as my mode of transport, I hear the same thing said regards people who used to cycle to work, now they drive because of the stress/fear of getting smashed into and the aggression from drivers.
The sad thing is I've seen an improvement in a decent % of those in the metal boxes around vulnerable road users, but there is a significant portion that are not just crap and selfish but dangerous AF, and these people are either unwilling to admit their errors and/or they can't see the problem in their actions so they never change, these are the ones that are more likely to be involved in a KSI.
It's just a shit show all round these days for everyone.
@@ynotnilknarf39 The traffic today is horrendous for all road users. I stopped riding a bike on the road because of the traffic and my daughter will never ride her bike on the road. We have bikes but ride them in Local woods . When I first got back a bike after many years of not riding one within five minutes a car overtook me as I was going round a parked car and nearly push me into it so I said to myself it’s not worth my life riding on the road with these idiots.
@@molamh853 Cars Safety features make the driver feel safe and then they take bigger risks without really thinking about the consequences. I always say, if we put 1980s brakes back into cars we would all drive safer.
@@molamh853 I agree with you 100% in everything you said. Approximately seven years ago while on a driving lesson we edged out of a very restricted view junction in a quiet cul-de-sac. A very elderly gentleman well in his 90s decided as he put it to me afterwards he had right away and drove straight at us and crashed into the car. For weeks afterwards I kept questioning myself, what could I have done differently and then one day a nice summers day we had the windows down. We could hear cars coming and that was the cause of the crash over soundproofing on the little Hyundai i10. I teach my pupils now when we get to a less than good vision junction to drop the window. All technology is doing with these gizmos is keeping the death rate even not making it any safer. I have just purchased a new Hyundai i10 and the lane discipline is switched on permanently or what I really meant to say is I can switch it off but it has to be done on every single journey. You can go into the menu and change it from steering to just bleeping but when you switch it off and it goes back to default steering. I have now noticed when we switch it off I still think it is actually trying to correct your steering on a Straight road. the other day I try and experiment and went past a cyclist without signalling, the car was trying its hardest to steer me back in and hit the cyclist. Could be a help on motorways but not on the roads in the UK. You’ve now got started on my pet peeve about today’s cars, gizmos
@@molamh853 My daughter has a Volkswagen up and she loves it. I was tempted to buy the Up but I love i10 and like the Up. My daughter says she will drive her car until it falls to pieces as she doesn’t want any other car,ever. I just wrote a little piece on my Facebook page for my driving school about the first two weeks with the new car . I ended it was saying my next post will be about gizmos. Maybe I’ll start it now.
Your pupil sums them all up perfectly at 6:36
Give learners time, space & show patience, you where a learner once!! Well done to your pupil, he was very calm. 🤔
I can’t agree with this comment more.
👍 We all have a responsibility to show this. Learner drivers, and, perhaps even more so, newly qualified drivers, get to learn driving culture and the “unwritten” driving rules from all of us. If we show that it’s okay to deviate and be a grade A knob, then that attitude will become more widespread.
I love the way you describe the way that you're thinking of how to help out other drivers but they aren't even thinking of it themselves. I see that every day. Goodness alone knows what it's like when you've got a driving school sign on the roof.
2:40 Funny that FG68 TOH gave you a dirty look, and yet was the cause of the problem.
Absolutely. I thought that as well - causes a problem by barging through, and then blames everyone else.
IMPAITENT BINT is what I shouted to myself with regards to that clip!
As if the driving school was at fault hey , lol
Even if it was the learner driver's fault (which it wasn't) the other driver should still cut them some slack and understand that they're a learner who sometimes makes mistakes because they're a learner!
@@JeffJefferyUK exactly they soon forget they where in the same situation themselves not long ago
I've been driving for a good few years now and I still dread situations like 2:41. Impatient people just blasting through between parked cars not giving way and making what should be a simple situation into an awkward mess. You can do everything right and someone will find a way to block the road.
I feel for learner drivers. I drive a work car with a logo and yesterday was badly bullied by 2 fast and uber aggressive drivers who took offence to someone obeying a speed limit. Possibly they were fueled by drugs and or alcohol.
I tend not to react and cower as I'm a gentle person, but it is an unnerving experience.
In any situation BULLYING SOMEONE ELSE IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR.
I passed my driving test today - thanks to Ashley! 😁
Now I'm officially no longer a Learner, I will still be watching and learning from these videos, and will treat all road users, especially Learners, with respect 💖
Great job! Thanks for letting me know. Keep safe!!
@@ashley_neal Thank you 👍👍👍
Depending on your first car you'll still get treated similarly. I had a small Corsa and people still pushed me around until I switched to a motorcycle and suddenly I get a lot more respect
when I'm behind learners, I give them double the tyres and tarmac rule which in turn causes them to pull away in a much more confident way
Regarding that second clip, what I have realised is that as a young female driver this happens to me quite often. Older drivers keep barging in expecting everyone to give them way, when most of the time the obstruction is on their side or there is no where for a person to back up to. Had a very close call a month ago with a taxi driver, our wing mirrors were centimetres away from each other all because he refused to slow down. I dont allow myself to get bullied on the road, but sometimes it’s better to take the high road and let the idiots be. Not long ago a car cut me off, he was at a give way line to leave a car park and i was on the main road (30mph), he proceeded to barge through with no indication whatsoever and when i beeped at him he got out the car and started threatening me. Never again I will just sit patiently and let them be, not risking my life for people with massive egos
Remember the horn isn't there to reprimand or protest. It's there to warn of danger. If you react to the danger soon enough, you probably don't need the horn.
Hi Ashley, just passed my driving test today! Thanks so much for all your videos, very helpful stuff :)
congratulations bud
@@metcalfestarfish thanks!
As a van driver, I also get this attitude every day from car drivers assuming I will delay them. Although it's not excusable, it is possibly part of the reason why some van drivers push into inappropriate gaps because they feel that otherwise they won't go anywhere.
How I see it is I was there once, the student is learning now and I’d rather help nurture a good driver or fellow petrolhead than scare them off the road.
I would remark that despite being correct at 2:43 it would have helped to mitigate the oncoming drivers impatience by directing your pupil to steer the vehicle into to gap on the left between the parked cars. This would have allowed the oncoming vehicle which became stuck adjacent to you to go around and clear the narrowing, even though they should have held back but did not.
A lot of the time this sort of impatient behaviour just creates more issues, and likely don't see any benefit to their journey progress. I think these sort of instances are powerplays because their own confidence behind the wheel elevates their own worth on the road.
Same for us hgv drivers. Also must get In front of the lorry at all costs even if it puts them in danger. Love how much patience u have with them.
It still amazes how many drivers forget they were once learners too, then again I still think they have that mindset I am better than you!
People tailgating learners gets me. Not sure it was the best plan, but I ended up getting my lad to stop in the middle of the road while I politely went to ask the driver of the car three inches from our back bumper to back off.
Didn't start driving till I was 30 and the treatment is unreal, disgusts me the attitude people have for learners. Since I passed I've always given learners space and patience.
It's symptomatic of how impatient a lot of people are and the general lack of respect. Keep up the good work 👍
I treat learners with space and respect by being impatient you can fluster the pupil taking longer and there is nothing wrong with respect as we were all learners at one time.i have only once bullied a learner as i was rushing my little lad to hospital with blood poring from his head but i did ring the instructor after to apologise to him and his pupil explaining the situation i was in
You are a beautiful driving instructor and I wish you all the best 💙
Ashley, it’s the same for us lorry drivers, some folks in cars and vans have no consideration and the lack of awareness, patience and space causes problems for us in such a large vehicle, as I drive a class 2 box. Many inconsiderate drivers don’t realise what it takes to stop and manoeuvre something close to 30 feet long when queue jumping and bad positioning, I can’t understand why there is a sense of entitlement in drivers of Britain today.
It's not just learner drivers who experience this, but it also affects anyone driving a type of car that others automatically think you must be a slow.
After my wife passed her test, we bought an older 1.0 Micra. But she'll always complain about others cutting he up or doing similar actions (despite her actually being a good driver - had no issues allowing her to drive my Mondeo ST).
It was when I started using her car sometimes as a local run-around, I then found the same thing happening to me. Blatantly its the Micra giving out an impression that I'll be slow. Never experienced the same behaviour from others when in my larger/faster car.
Though, like the example of the situation with mini in this vid, I found it always funny when they get out caught out after they realise how quickly off the mark I always was! Same alos when waiting at two lane junctions, where they'd try to overtake on the left.
Driving schools should link up with the police, sharing footage to prosecute the very worst of these cases for Inconsiderate Driving.
When I see you guys and obviously with a student by the style of driving. I will always give you time and space and expect the unexpected, as I remember what it was like for myself.
Not me. I'm always chilled with learners. I always imagine the instructor pointing me out to the learner, saying "There you go, do it like that"
That's the dream! 😄
I passed last week and the biggest difference i have noticed now that the L plates are gone, is cars emerging from junctions don't just pull out in front of me now.
When my wife passed her test I implored her not to get the "P" plates and she said pretty much the same thing.
I have and always give learners space and time, I remember how daunting it is being a learner, must be even more so now with the volume of traffic on the roads,
I always give learners plenty of time and am patient because I was a learner once and only over take if necessary and safe to show them an example of a safe overtake
The irony of that last van driver thinking he's such a good driver who can't wait for learners...but doesn't know how big his vehicle is.
im learning, and i got my test booked this month, I keep to the speed limit, and especially around schools when its 20mph. And the amount of cars up my ass , even some beep at me! Im learning to pass! We are their future when we pass.
Hats off to the learner. He could have got flustered in these situations very easily. I have to agree, the Sprinter driver is a bell. Great vid as always!!
That last clip, a couple of wheels on the kerb for all the parked cars would help so much.
Why Dale? Pavements for pedestrians, Roads for Vehicles!
@@alanhindmarch7682 there's plenty of room for pedestrians, not much room for cars. Looks pretty obvious to me.... And there would still be plenty of room for both with a couple of wheels on the kerb
Vehicles shouldn't be parking on the pavement, infact it's illegal to do so in some areas in the UK (and will be everywhere in the near future)
@@crstudios4457 impossible to enforce . There just isn't enough room for all the vehicles in residential areas. That's a fact.
@@dalemr2 so whats about when a nation wide pavement parking ban comes into force.
It always fascinates me that road users in these busy narrow streets think acceleration is a better decision than braking.
I often find it a blessing in disguise when there is a learner car in this scenario because, by their very nature, they have a trained and experienced driver in them that help resolve these situations to everyone's mutual benefit.
Why would you not just hang back and defer to what they are trying to do instead of accelerating up to their bonnet, slotting into a tiny gap and pointlessly gesticulate at them for thirty seconds?
Imo the van's the only justifiable one, with you two on his blind side and the vans opposite, he wanted the space you were about to reverse into to clear the rear end, then shunt if needed to straighten up and pull away. His mistake was in hesitating and causing confusion as to his intentions.
Umm no because there wasn't the space for them to get through and that was blatently obvious right from the beginning. The van driver could've waited behind the line of parked vehicles but didn't.
@@cjmillsnun how long do you want him to wait? If he'd let the student reverse alongside the fiat van, he wouldn't have gone through either. The manoeuvre they did was the only way the van was getting through, he's certainly being impatient but he also can't hang around for a 5 minute debriefing until Ashley swaps over and pulls away.
It baffles me how some people do this to learner vehicles. And I feel that Sprinter (was it a sprinter?) was rather optimistic about trying to squeeze past. But they did yield at first so credit there.
One thing that changed my view on driving/riding is an accident in which I was involved. I was going straight through a T-junction with car in front of me and one car from oncoming lane waiting to turn left (I'm from Croatia just to not be confused). Car in front of me went through the junction and I was following it when car from oncoming lane suddenly turned left and I had nowhere to go. I wasn't speeding (was doing 40-45km/h in a 50km/h zone) so there wasn't much damage on my car, but still from that moment on I became more observant and more patient. I was of a mindset that "I have the right of way and you have to wait". Now, if someone is waiting to turn or to merge in or to exit their parking space by reversing if there is no one behind (because you never know how patient the one behind is) I tend to slow down or stop if needed to let them do their thing. Also if I'm in a queue that is going slowly I tend to move to the right edge of my lane as much as I can so that bicycles, scooters, mopeds and motorcycles can get past. I won't gain or loose anything so why not make it simpler for them.
This is one thing where I CAN hold myself up as a shining example. (Sorry to blow own trumpet). Maybe it's having been an exclusive cyclist/pedestrian till my mid 30s, and learning to drive relatively late, but even now, learner drivers are one thing I will NOT get upset about. It calms me actually. If i am in a road ragey mood (it happens)... and I see a learner ahead, i keep distance. I want the instructor to be saying 'the guy behind is not pressuring us'... I remember the terror of stalling out at a set of lights and getting beeped at 0.025 seconds later all too clearly.
In no other way am I a good driver, i'm merely average, but on this, i am apparently ahead of the curve. The one bad example I do tend to do is flash lights at learners to say 'no, you first'. One, as you, Ashley are always saying, it's prone to misinterpretation and unnecessary; and two, the instructor is probably telling the student to let ME through (being in a white van lol)
I love being behind a learner driver because I hated my lessons and know how terrified students can be, so I take it slow and hold back. I think it's way better for them to be in front of me than a raging driver, often when they're trying to do a simple manoeuvre and getting it wrong I'm cheering encouragement from my car! I was at a 4 lane roundabout and the learner was in the wrong lane, signalling to go left, which was a bit difficult for me as I wanted to go slow in case they turned, but also knew I had to keep traffic flowing. I had to remind myself they had an instructor who wouldn't let them just pull out in front of me - although I did wonder why they didn't say just keep going ahead now you're in the wrong lane.
Love the videos Ashley, thanks again for sharing your thoughts
Even as a non learner & having a full UK licence, its amazing how many drivers are impatient just to gain a few seconds, have to over take you , take a massive risk, just to get one car infront & then be held up in the same queue, can never work it out.....
We were all learners once. Whenever there is a learner in front of me, I give the space in case they make a mistake and if you crowd them, learners will get nervous. The more you get impatient, the more you will get held up as learners may start to panick. I experienced this myself so give learners space.
2:30 classic muppet move: drive into a space that the other road user could have used to help ease the flow of traffic and to get arsey when the traffic flow has suddenly congested.
All down to a mix of entitlement impatience and poor planning.
Yeah, it seems like they even sped up to get in there and bully the learner.
Did you report that mini driver in the first clip ?
Jay Leno said it best “It’s not where I’m going it’s what I’m going in”. I’d rather chill out in my Tesla than rush about in a PoS.
I'm afraid I find that a bit snobby. I recently returned my company car, a Ford mondeo titanium estate, in order to benefit from getting the car allowance instead. And as it was at the start of this whole pandemic thing and nobody was driving anywhere it made no sense to buy an expensive car to just sit on the driveway looking pretty whilst depreciating and costing me thousands. So I bought a 1yr old Skoda fabia for £8k to tie me over. It's great. I'd forgotten just how easy and worry free having a small, efficient and manoeuvrable cheap car can be, and with the amount I've been saving over the big company car it'll have paid for itself in 2years.
The cars that many people dismiss as PoS can be great fun and there's no need to "rush about". In truth the Fabia is happier at 60 than 70.
I think the key bits are the chilling out or the rushing - not whether you're doing it in a snobby car or not. I'd rather be a chilled driver in a cheap car than a pushy Tesla rushing round thinking they own the road.
When I’m out and about on the roads, I’m always extra patient around learners.
Before I was allowed out on my own, I had to learn, things can happen really quickly and take time to figure out and decide if / how to continue.
If they’re ahead of me, I’ll leave around a 3 second gap, rather than the 2, just so they don’t feel pressured by me to drive in a way they don’t yet have the skills for.
If they’re stopped at lights, I’ll leave extra room between us, so they don’t feel rushed, making a stall more likely, and I don’t move forwards until they’ve successfully got the vehicle going.
If they’re stopped at the side of the road, possibly discussing something that just happened, I pass them like I would a cyclist.
Yeah I do agree with that and I am the same, in some ways though, that sort of treatment is not exclusive to learners. I often get very impatient people behind me as I stick to the speed limits, not under, but right on (conditions allowing) with the speed limiter enabled and some drivers will sit an inch off my boot lid or pull a dangerous overtake etc.
Where I am going with this? Encountering these asshats whilst learning provides some very valuable lessons for those first few months you head out alone. If you always have nice, patient people around you whilst learning....oh boy are you going to get a shock when the plates come off! Bit of a rock and a hard place.
@@DrWhosmate yeah, I’m in a sign written green van most of the time, it’s just had ‘lightfoot’ installed which means I have to accelerate slowly, or risk a telling off from management for “harsh acceleration” and I’m limited to 56, so regularly get overtaken by artics on the motorway, as they’re limited to 58.
A lot of car drivers (and many van drivers) also don’t realise that a van speed limit is 10mph below on national speed limit roads, so combine with enforced slow acceleration and reduced speed limit, it leads to frustrated drivers following / overtaking dangerously.
@@Dust76tr Yeah, not a fan of technology creep coming in and sanitising everything, however, I do appreciate the safety aspects. With the new EU law coming into effect in 2022, all new cars will have mandatory limiters and data loggers on them. So much like your social media and phone etc etc, you might own it, but it's allegiance will be to the state.
I know we are not part of the EU anymore, but I highly doubt that the car companies will eat the cost of making different cars for our market, also, with our current government, I see them embracing authoritarian mandates like this with open arms. We are not that far behind Scotland where having the wrong opinion in your own home can warrant a bobby at the door...Alexa finds your question problematic and has lodged a complaint with your local police station! lol.
Sorry, I digress, I just don't like the route we seem to be headed! At what point does all this restriction end? When we are all identical, only ever free to follow a pre-determined, pre-approved hymn sheet? It may seem a little dramatic, but just look at how far we have come in terms of restrictive laws and systems since even just 5 years ago...maybe the grey goo world Prince Charles warned of will be from technology, just not the nano bots going mad and chewing everything up, just making everything dull and pointless.
Cheery thought for the day! :-D
@@DrWhosmate in work vehicles, I fully understand the need for telematics.
What I don’t agree with is the fact that we have to accelerate dangerously slowly to keep a little box happy. Joining a motorway is dangerous, because the box would rather you accelerate slowly and join at 30mph, so you have to ignore it, accelerate a little more briskly than it likes, while displaying red lights in your face, giving you ‘nudges’ and penalties, lowering your driving score because you’re building speed to join a motorway and if your driving score is ‘low’ because you’ve had to accelerate to get up to a safe speed, you get told off by management.
At the moment, we don’t live in Russia but it seems that we’re heading that way, that you can’t do anything without someone else’s permission
I have some thoughts for this. Mr Neal i do enjoy your videos and i'm new to watching the Channel but just a couple of points.
1) People treating learner drivers like sub humans. I agree with pretty much most of what you are saying but i have to point out that there are some learner drivers who clearly do not have the required confidence to get out onto the main road. I understand its a learning curve and i can remember i was quite a confident/eager learner driver back in 2001 right after my 17th birthday when i had my lessons (so i may be biased) but clearly some learner drivers need more time on quieter roads/car parks before getting into the main roads. While i don't condone it i do see why some people get frustrated with learners.
2) BMW drivers have a reputation for being elitists/comments made previously about people who drive cars with big engines. I myself Mr Neal like you drive a BMW, its an M340i with about 370 odd HP but if you where to see me driving on the road you would probably think its wasted on me as i drive like an old person. I dont rev my engine or anything like that and 95% of the time im an old fart behind the wheel unless im on a country road with national speed limit.
3) Range Rover Drivers. Lets be honest here, most people who drive Range Rovers can't drive. They need a big car for their own protection probably from bullets as a consequence of being in the drug trade most likely. Driven by mainly meat heads or their birds who are usually about 20 years younger than them who can't drive anyway as they cant see through their massive designer sunglasses.
Keep up the good videos!
It's really crazy on roundabouts as a learner too, I have had to brake about 5 times while on a roundabout because some drivers approach, see the L plate and don't give way. It's like they just assume every learner is crawling around a roundabout, they don't have the patience to wait an extra 10 seconds and they can move out in any gap. It's the main thing I notice when I am a passenger in a car compared to driving with L plates. It's an added stress because no matter how close I am to them I am always wary of traffic coming from the left when I am on a roundabout.
I was humbled last Saturday..i was behind a learner on a massive around about and the learner took their time even though it was a clear for them to go and for a moment I was annoyed but then I remembered that 2 years ago that was me.. I will say after months with no learners on the road I forgot..really felt ashamed of myself..
The opposite actually happened to me this morning on my way to work here in The Netherlands. I was driving down a road near where I live where 50 km/h is the speed limit. A car approached from behind, going too fast. When it got closer I could see it was a driving school. While I was driving the speed limit he overtook me and accelerated even more. There was just the driver in it, so I assume the driving instructor. Not the best way to advertise your driving school, I guess.
Exactly the same for us large heavy vehicle drivers lol. I just laugh at them
I always give learner drivers the space and time they need. Will even give them priority if no one else is about and they are turning onto a road.
Got to remember that everyone was once a learner even yourself after you have your license.
Yep had one of those horn happy individuals yesterday that reduced my learner to tears 😢
Today I’ve had 3 incidents with driving school vehicles failing to give way to my bus, one on a roundabout looking straight at me and just pulled out as if I wasn’t there, second was i was leaving a bus stop it comes from directly behind with the instructor holding his hand out the passenger window either telling me stop or to say sorry I couldn’t tell, third I stopped at traffic lights to turn left he pulled up beside me and turned directly into my path!
It seems as if the last few months off has given some instructors a lack of care on the road.
Driving narrow tight streets is a pain at the best of times but where I live we have roads that are rated as 60mph and have grass in the middle of the road and are more narrow than most city roads and more often than not YOU have to reverse at least 500 yards even if they are next to the pull in / passing place.
Or is it because my car isn’t new, and I’m not on holiday!
Well done for keeping your cool with such provocation. At least the blue Mondeo private hire at 2:58 showed a bit of thought for others.
As a rule of thumb you can gauge how many lessons a learner has had by where you encounter them around here. Make allowances for all learners but make extra allowances for those on the first or second lesson.
I have no problems with driving school vehicles.
The mobile road blocks round and about here would would not pass a test for failing to make sufficient progress - 15mph in a 30 or 40 mph zone with excellent conditions with minimal or no hazards.
Totally agree with your 'description ' of the white van driver lol :)
L plates on and waiting at the end of my street to turn right last week and a car comes up from behind and overtakes me to turn left, right there at the junction, such a stupid and dangerous manoeuvre, especially seeing the L plates which I assume prompted this behaviour, had I not been paying attention I might have decided to pull out as he overtook me. I'm seeing a lot more reckless driving since the easing of lockdown and I don't know if that's just coincidence or if people are feeling especially frustrated right now. Great video as always Ash.
I always keep alot of space between me and a learner car. Especially when there is an impatient douch behind me.
4:17 We see a Mercedes van parked in a one way street. There is an enormous amount of space available at the end of the road for an easy emerge left if the driver gets sorted out early on. About twenty seconds later our rear camera reveals that the van's emerge was not that good as it has the reverse back to emerge without hitting parked cars. I think the driver is not impatient as much as incompetent.
When you look at the Population Density for Merseyside it is VERY high at 9th in England.
Which probably contributes to the impatience?
That's a very good point! Thanks
Its seems that impatient drivers see other road vehicles as obstacles rather than fellow road users.
It's so easy to get frustrated when you're behind a slower learner. But only those who are mentally strong enough are able to overcome that frustration and remember that everybody has to start somewhere, and we were all learners once. The people you see in this video are mentally weak because they can't get past that frustration and their own selfish thoughts about themselves. This is the way I look at it, anyway.
That first clip reminded me of the very same thing that happened to one of my students
What did the local road policing constable say when you sent them these clips?
"Don't waste my time" probably.
@@loc4725 That's sad, mini driver #1 deserved a ticket.
@@davenz000 Like everyone who parks on a junction creating a hazard in the video. Wonder when the last time that was enforced on an urban street. It became surprisingly common in beauty spots during the last year for people to be ticketed for parking inappropriately so why not normally?
Keep up your work, you're doing great, come on !!
I had one yesterday. We were turning right from a main road to a minor and there was a car approaching which slowed down and waved us across despite it having priority. My learner is doing really well but is only about 8 hours in so is still taking a couple of seconds to move off. As we started moving, the car opposite must have got bored and started moving again as we didn’t move within 00000.5 of a second and I had to slam on.
If you are being nice enough to let a learner go, at least give them a few more seconds than normal to get going.
I myself try to always make allowances for learning drivers as I know I have been in that seat.
Ashley, great video coverage & very clear - what dash cam are you using in the car ??
I'm currently on my pink badge. I was out with a pupil the other day we came to queue at a set of lights. As we were pulling away my pupil stalled, a bloke in a land rover decided he wanted to get in front and overtook us. Only to end up having stop at the lights.
My pupil said and I quote. "He's a bellend"!
dangerous overtake by the mini on first clip needs reporting
@Amtsf haha i lived here all my life
@Amtsf haha no i wasnt joking that was a stupid dangerous overtake, i know it happens often but it doesnt make it right does it
@Amtsf You have been informed wrongly then, anything can be reported i have reported many tailgaters who have gotten points and fines, i have even reported those who drive like donkeys against learner driver cars too and they have also been fined and given warnings, so there is plenty that can be done dont ever think nothing can be done boss
@Amtsf neither but theres been a crackdown on antisocial and reckless driving country wide so send in your clips to the police with reg plate and the location and they will respond. I live in a ok area, but crime is bad here, they still make time for small things like this even if it takes month someone will look at it. I just wish they responded to actual reports as well involving attacks and stuff but they dont.
I'm a Bus Driver and I think that the majority of drivers out there are impatient. I've had some do risky manoeuvres from roundabouts just to 'beat the bus', people pulling out of junctions, not letting me pull out of Bus stops, tailgating is increasingly common - people have just lost the plot when it comes to driving. What a selfish attitude so many drivers have.
Bus & lorry drivers were the only nice drivers on the road when I was learning to drive. I try to be nice to everybody, but buses & HGVs get the VIP treatment :)
People like this are so annoying... Just wait! I failed my driving test the other day on the last turn of getting back into the test centre because the oncoming driver who has given me way decided to pull out in front of me as I was in line with his car, causing me to have to steer to the left to avoid him crashing into me. 0 minors and 1 major overall. Fuming. Regardless thanks for you videos Ashley, certainly has helped me to improve my driving loads!
I've said it before, the box isn't the issue. You were half right though, folk are impatient (to be polite about it).
I drove a Tesla Model X (P100D). I don't know if people were jealous, or trying to test the "auto pilot" but buy did they come out of the woodwork.
I ride a bike in/around Liverpool, and they're always not looking. If anything, it's worse now that people are allowed to travel again. You'd be surprised at the 3min mark on a motorbike - most will just assume you'll move over & continue like you're not there.
6:36
Student: Bellend
Ashley: Might be a bit harsh calli-
Student: Bellend
He. Is. BRILLIANT! 😂
The box van in the last clip had to move when he did before the gap between your car and the parked van opposite was becoming too narrow for him to fit through. Even the red car had to negotiate it carefully and that was a lot more narrow than the box van.
I always give learners extra room and time, however, the only thing the frustrates me is some instructors not pushing students to put their foot down on dual carriageways or country roads. It is frankly dangerous for a car to be travelling at 30mph on dual carriageways or country roads as other road users aren't expecting that sort of speed.
But, I see countless instances where other drivers are completely inpatient with learners and frankly it is out of order and dangerous. Patience is a virtue
Rush hour traffic ☑
Daily accidents on the M6 somewhere between junction 5 and 9 ☑
Impatient MGIF drivers ☑
Yep. We're getting closer to normal now. Shame. As a lorry driver, lockdown was a golden era to be a driver. Clear empty roads, no headache from car drivers with an itchy throttle foot. Ah yes, good times. Now its back to this crap. Is a couple of seconds really that much to ask for?
Delivery driver myself. Late last March to June was spooky quiet in my area on the roads. June/July, people would be blasting through crossroads expecting no-one to be there. August onwards people have forgotten how to drive, still not too busy though. Last few weeks, absolute carnage!
The first clip with the mini should go to the police.
One thing I was shocked about while I was a learner was BMWs.. not for the reason you think. I heard the usual stereotypes of BMWs, but no other drivers helped me more on the road than BMW drivers. Anytime I’d be pulling off a Main Street into a side road they’d always flash to let me go. Every single time.
LOL.
I've been trained by split screen gaming to not look at the other half!
So many impatient drivers what's a good instructor everybody's in structure Rush
Watching these makes me so glad I never have to drive a manual again lol