First US tilt roller coaster How Will sirens curse work
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- Description: Not here to talk about sirens curse im here to talk about the tilt coater. Im not selling them.
But this will be one of several new tilt coasters made by Vekoma and this one will open up at Six Flags Cedar Point in Ohio.
Can’t wait for the first tilt coaster in the US to become operational.
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We're truly in a Vekoma renaissance and I'm absolutely for it. Something like this, while I don't know what it'd cost ($15-20M maybe) has to have the best ROI out there based on the weird and nuts factor.
@@AmusementLabs I know how it works but during that tilt, I’m gonna be nervous honestly!
"Weird and nuts factor." Awesome! Until now my main thought was the tower & tilt track looks _very_ early 2000s, 90s even! That's not surprising considering the _only_ Vekoma Tilt Coaster ever built opened in 2002 in China, 22 years ago! I think that's why it has that "weird and nuts factor!"
Now we're gonna get "Siren Rollbacks," or should I say "Tilt Backs." When the sensors aren't working and you'll get tilted back.
I think some people who aren't coaster enthusiasts, tend to be leery of anything that tilts, and then rejoins the track. I for one, look forward to actually getting my first ride on one of them. So I'll definitely be going to Cedar Point again. Thanks for explaining how it works. That's pretty nifty. And loved the intro, made me chuckle.
To add: I love rides that aren't conventional for lifts. One of my favs is here in Tampa, at Bush Gardens, called Cobra's Curse. It's just fun and different.
@@batshtcrazy5293 it’s just a gimmick but it works. I’d go a long way for something different. If I can make it there I can’t wait to ride it.
@@choo-choocharlie3068 all rides are right? Just gimmicks.
I’m a mechanical engineer. Love the detailed explanations of how the rides work.
@@BenKempa thanks! I do what I can with what I know or can deduct.
2:57 new gen vekoma coasters are quite possibly some of the smoothest out there and they are profiled to flow from element to element so gracefully and seamlessly. its great to finally see new ones coming to the US because theyve only been installed in europe and asia so far and they deserve so much more attention :) - if you want to look up any examples then heres some: Na Fianna Force, Lech Coaster, Abyssus, Fighter Jet (Fanta Park), F.L.Y at Phantasialand
@@EmeraldIV well Disney get em! I’ve ridden this and they are great!
@@ryantheridemechanic indeed so!
Vekoma has a handful of new gen coasters in the US right now. All of them from the family catalog. Rookie Racer is a modern junior coaster. Holiday World and Kings Island both installed family boomerangs. And the Big Bear Mountain is a launched family coaster.
@@Danrarbc yep, i meant high thrill coasters - i shouldve made that more clear lol
@@EmeraldIV Well the Super Boomerang would have qualified as 2024. But nope.
Leave it up to Ryan to make one “Pucker Up” 🤣 for his videos thank you team Ryan
did not expect the cardboard aided design lol
he hasn't treated us to a cardboard build in a while
@@dindog22 I'm new to this channel so it was a first for me. but as en engineering student we also joke about using CAD (cardboard aided design) is staid of CAD ( computer aided design) so this was really funny to me.
first in US? does escape from grengotts just not exist?
Grengotts is a dark ride. It only coasts during the drop & very briefly after the tilt track. Besides, there's a Vekoma Tilt Coaster already being built in Texas at COTA.
Gringots also does not tilt 90 degrees... it's only about 45 degrees of tilt or less. That short tilt section and one other short launch section near the end of the ride are the only coaster portions of the ride... the rest is all dark ride propelled by drive wheels and hold breaks for various sceens of the dark ride much like the beginning of the Revenge of the Mummy coasters.
New Vekoma coasters aren’t bumpy at all. Nothing like SLCs and Boomerangs in the old days.
@@Danrarbc it’s more what people picture I feel. I know Disneys stuff is like glass.
The suspended family coasters like the one at Dollywood is excellent. Super smooth. The old Vekoma like the SLCs and Boomerangs are horrifically rough, though. Give them credit, they are vastly improved now.
I think the mk1200 track was the worst part of their coasters, their new mk1501 track seems a lot nicer from what I heard (I still need to try one of those as most parks near me have the old school vekomas)
@@vincentstuer They have made good mk1200 track too. The last few SLCs made weren’t too bad. And Nor Easter received a full retrack and that track with modern manufacturing is way better than before.
@@vincentstuer ah wasn’t sure if the series number.
Would the failsafe L catch assembly ever be tested by maintenance by releasing a train from the brakes and letting it crash into the L mechanism to see if it can do its job under a real world scenario? Or let it rest on the L mechanism without letting it slam into it? Or would it only ever be inspected and tested, just not with the real world scenario?
@@TheLostWorld-i8j I doubt it. It would damage a lot. For the safety you just have to trust Vekoma did the engineering properly. I’m sure it’s been double checked by TUV or some qualified external body.
Thanks for this. I've always wndered how these work!
Finally, it's CAD time again!
I have seen some really hilarious discussions out there, where people were assuming that it is just the brakes holding the train in place. Come on, even if they *were* capable of doing this, no sane authority would allow operation of this ride if there is no additional safety built in.
I remember when Phantasialand opened the Winjas coasters (two Maurer custom spinning coasters), and both featured a tilting track element (one sideways, one from a slight up-slope to a slight down-slope, nothing as big as what Vekoma is doing), and both featured a "drop track" - not in the way that an entire track section freefalls, but after going onto it, it dips down behind you. They had so many issues to get this choreography of sensors, actors and the control system lined up that the rides had a lot of downtime initially. (Note: Just ride shutdowns, no incidents or accidents, so they aren't unsafe). So there is a LOT to go into any coaster with a "broken track element", and no manufacturer would want to hurt their reputation by delivering an unsafe ride.
@@Colaholiker I was thinking the brakes in the middle were hydraulic but the holding claw behind makes way more sense.
Genuine question, why isn’t escape from grengotts at universal Studios Florida ever included when people say how many tilt coasters there are, it only goes 45ish° but it does still tilt
@@spinba11 not sure. I’m looking for the full 90° myself. Other than that it’s just a switch track. My opinion.
fair point but if you would say any type of tilt track you would also need to include 5 other coasters (acording to RCDB) and you could make an argument for winja's aswell. gravity max is the only vekoma and the only 90 degree one
@@MR.GreenBird yea. I focus on one thing so I can work with the design and not have to worry about all the other models out there.
@@ryantheridemechanic yea i figured. my comment was mainly directed at the person above as a reason why someone would only foccus at the vekoma's out there. I actually really enjoyed this video. as a Dutch engineering student this was right up my alley. it felt like a love letter to vekoma in a way
Grengotts isn't a roller coaster, _it's a dark ride._ It's powered almost the entire ride & only coasts during the drop after the tilt.
COTAland must feel really stupid for letting their tilt coaster sit in the parking lot for 2 years and letting Cedar Point steal
their thunder
I know gravity max is the first, but what about the jinma broken rail coasters?
Haha, thank you for acknowledging the “pucker factor” 😂 I’ve never been on a tilt coaster; I’ll ride just about anything … but I have to admit I’ll be nervous when the time comes!
@@CritterCrossingFam the “what if..” is big even for me!
@@CritterCrossingFam I’m still riding!
@@ryantheridemechanic same!! I’ll force my butt in the seat, and be nervous after! 😂
3:00 The monetization setting is “My video includes a Paid promotion” lol or a free hat.
21:25 Like a Lobster Claw
- Side note: The HalloWeekends show “Midnight’s Curse” is going to be the final show on the big main stage before they remove it to widen the midway for “Siren’s Curse” (which will go out towards the Cedar Point Marina and Sandusky Bay)
- You could sell that SAD (Scissor Aided Design) model and autograph it.
- Play station music requests on the guitar for us!
@@amusement420 ha! Love it! I love my Vekoma beanie it’s so warm in the winter.
Worst case: Tilt track goes back up. Train valleys further up on the track. Comes back and shoots out of the open track. Oops
@@0z3r0 some final destination stuff there.
@@0z3r0 Simple solution for that. Sensor detecting the train coming out of the next high point.
Train gets flagged clear of that THEN it tilts back to flat.
That puts my mind at ease and probably took the little fear I had out of it. Nice to see some classic CAD work its been a while. Good job!
@@LTCoasters yep this was a cad needed video. Thank you.
Do you know how similar the mechanism is for Gringot's? It's by Intamin instead of Vekoma, and it doesn't go fully vertical. Would the drive tires/pinch brakes be enough to hold it in place?
Gravity is the best safety system out there, seeing it being used a lot is very reassuring
surely the fail safe works like a brake system, its is always locked in the safe position and it opens only when you apply power, identical to brakes which are always active unless power is applied so in the event of a power failure all trains will stop on the next brake.
That's a good idea. I'll tell the engineers
Pucker factor 🤣🤣🤣great explanation Ryan
MVP video of the day right here. I felt like I was listening to a lecture in a really awesome class at university.
Of all the rides at theme parks today, would you say this system is the most complex?
If you had to compare it to another technology, in our world today, would you say it's reminiscent of a draw bridge, but verticle and with many more fail-safes?
Thank you for the awesome vid and keep on keeping on brotha!
Due to the complexity of this tilt design, do you think there'd be a limit to how high someone would ever build it? 🤔 Would you ever foresee this being done with a 300 or 400ft hill?
@@damonappel the higher gets the bigger the support structure is so it’s all just a question of how massive you want that tilted structure frame to be other than that there should be no limit.
Very well explained! My question is with all the force loaded onto the claw's notch when you are sliding it off of the pin to drop the train, wouldn't that wear down either part kinda quick? Or else how the design of the claw's notch is made to endure a lot of wear over time? I was thinking the pin could be on rollers or maybe the notch is shaped to the same swing angle/circumference as the claw? I'm sure they've thought of it, but I was curious.
@@letsbounce101 the safety components release under no tensions so there’s nowhere to them. The main claw component is made up of super heavy duty steel hardened with consumable inserts that would wear out and be replaced probably on an annual basis.
You’re the one who’s done the research and is way more knowledgeable about this stuff than I am, but wouldn’t it make more sense to leave the brakes clamped until right before the claw releases the train in case of the claw not properly latching?
@@inthelaunch9319 I’m guessing… I would use the train drifting forward with that pressure to confirm the main claw is locked.
These vids keep getting more and more unhinged during transitions and I love it lol
Yay knotts berry farm! Oh Wonder woman kicks ass!!! And xcel is open at kbf, when was the last time you rode xcel?
Fantastic explanation with the cardboard diagram. I just did a bit of research on this ride, since there has only been just one for so long, do you think this “Tilt concept” hasn’t been purchased by parks until recently out possible of safety concerns with seesaw?
@@Valibativecreo probably a reliability issues from Vekoma trigger lots of design revisions. These new ones should be amazing. Only time will tell though.
I think Vekoma's reputation kept a lot of parks from purchasing any of their products until the last 15 years or so. Their loopers were every bit as rough as Arrow's were, and had to compete in an age of B&M ride quality. The Giant Inverted Boomerangs finally got the smooth ride, but they didn't work as well as parks wanted. It took a little while to prove themselves again. The tried and true Boomerang might have kept them in business during some lean times.
@@sharkheadism yes it has
@@ryantheridemechanic thank you for the explanation, that makes sense! I’m definitely excited, not sure which one will open first (likely CP). Circuits of America is in my hometown.
@@sharkheadism "The Giant Inverted Boomerangs finally got the smooth ride?" I rode Aftershock at Silverwood last year & it jackhammered during inversions and jerked hard going into & out of the boomerang. I _regretted_ riding it. There appears to be 4 operating from a total of 9 ever built, 1 in the U.S. (RCDB). I'm curious, what was done to make them "smooth?" Did Aftershock miss out?
Your best Justin Danger Nunley impression I see!! Well done.
@@sonnybaker8928 love that guy! He does some really catchy videos.
Watchin' these videos late at night on 🍄 is super surreal hahaha
@@illeyejahmalone haha!
That guitar hero controller behind you looks weird
@@Qrispy I’d be better at it if it was guitar hero! Haha!
Thanks for explaining this. I was wondering what sort of fail safe features a coaster like this might have. But even without knowing how it works, the notion that Vekoma has a pretty sterling safety record would have made me less apprehensive about riding one of these. That said, I remember when Gravity Max came out I was thinking of how scary riding it might be. I'm a rather jaded coaster fan these days, but I guess I'll see how I feel when I get to ride Siren's Curse (and/or Circuit Breaker).
Great video Ryan. Very interesting and informative.
@@brianlydy310 thanks!
What is the real difference between a tilt coaster and a dive coaster?
@@andrewedgcumbe8627 track is closed on a dive coaster. Dives aren’t as scary in my opinion
Love, love the trains on their new rides.
@@highoctaneadventure they look super slick for sure.
On Fonix in Denmark, they were really comfortable in that the vests move up and down with you during airtime. Definitely different in that most other vest restraint systems seem to lock in one position for the entire ride.
Amazing video! This is such a cool deep dive into how this will work, and the physical model made it so much easier to follow. Outstanding job.
Just one thing, 2:40 isn't quite correct - Jinma (Golden Horse) has made 4 knock-off tilt coasters, the latest being built in 2023. All 4 are in china. It's Jinma's Broken Rail Coaster model.
Did you guys just forget about Jinma theirs don’t go 90 degrees but they still go pretty steep.
@@IsaacBohlmann-wr9ni I wanted to stay in the Vekoma category.
So, you're saying it can't fly off the track when the tilt track is unlocked vertically?
I knew it was safe, I just wanted to know how it's safe.
Imagine the puckering going on when it gets stuck in between no tilt and full tilt.
Nowhere to go forward or backwards.
Full tilt pucker
@@LyndsieDances If they have extra weight on the back end of the tilt table and power is lost it should be able to return to flat by itself after you disengage the systems holding it in place.
I’m wondering if they use the drives to move the train back in case of an emergency
@@mjojo1000 I’m sure they have a reversing and an external emergency power source. Probably hydraulic source as well.
@@ryantheridemechanic yes I bet let’s think about all safety’s and fail safes on that ride
Silly question because it seems safe as it is, but why don’t they have pins that line up with the bottom of each one of the train cars and get driven in vertically, locking the pins like the front one does with some sort of latching mechanism that isn’t phased by gravity. Things that lock onto the front/back of the train seem like a good idea, but it almost feels like a safety mechanism and not something I would have thought they’d use as primary locking.. if you had say 5 cars on a train and each pin that latches in the bottom has the ability to bare the weight of the whole train, surely that’s 5 points that if god forbid one two three or even four of them fail somehow, it will still be able to hold it
@@Balootoyoutoo well everything is affected by gravity, regardless. When the track is in its loading position, you don’t really care too much about gravity because it’s easy to hold the train flat and level. We really care about everything as once the train goes vertical. That’s where you wanna be very careful about what things do when they failed state. But most manufacturers use pins and clips and locking plates and all sorts of other things. It’s really just a question of what the person was feeling like when they designed the assembly.
@@ryantheridemechanic I was thinking more of the mechanism that held said pins were on a mechanically linked weight so worst case scenario if the release mechanism failed, gravity would hold the pin in the bottom of the cart. Thank you for always providing such interesting insight into these subjects too! I’m not really a coaster enthusiast, but I love mechanisms and engineering and your videos are just fantastic for getting in that creative headspace :)
@@Balootoyoutoo they do some really interesting things for sure. Did you watch the video on an old freefall? That will keep you thinking for days.
what if Siren's Curse doesn't work and TT2 is still down next year? that would be a real kick in the pants for Cedar Point
@@dindog22 that would! I’d say that’s what you get for messing with ouija boards! Haha!!
@@ryantheridemechanic can you do a video of how the B&M dive coasters hold the train in place?
@@dindog22 yes. LTcoasters figured out that puzzle and filled me in so I can do that now.
Zamperla boss. "Call this guy for tt2"
@@LyndsieDances haha! Thanks!
Nice to see the cad has returned
@@chfilms1 😁
the modern Vekomas in Europe look pretty sweet
37:33 Lmfao 🤣
@@sharkheadism not good when major parts fall off!! 🤣
Love the arrow pointing out the pin!!
Orion at kings island quite lift?
Thanks for explaining this.
All.but SLC's! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So are you a Disney Adult? I was looking at the glass case in the corner. Looks like quite the collection. Why not showcase your Disney Passion?
@@DougYeager-i8b yea for the most part. My wife and I have gone to Disneyland all our lives. Still go once a year at lease. And when I change the camera angle, the pictures behind me are Matterhorn bobsleds and Big Thunder mountain.
"Disney Adult" is such a weird name for a fandom.
(That said, I'm a thoosie, Hamiltrash, and a pinhead, so I guess it's not _that_ weird.)
Man that intro. Hilarious
@@jacobliford thanks!
Come on Ryan.... They have the nickname Ve-coma for a reason lol. I haven't ridden an SLC or Boomerang that wouldn't make Arrow proud....I do wish more parks would invest in upgraded restraints/trains and possible re tracks like Great Nor'easter(Moreys Pier) or Blue Hawk(SFOG). That would make SLCs and Boomerangs enjoyable again but for now all they are good for is making sure my chiropractor stays in business
@@IAmAnonymyz and you chiropractor thanks you
@@ryantheridemechanic oh he ABSOLUTELY does lol
The last Vekoma I rode, Aftershock (inverted Boomerang) at Silverwood last year, is one of the most miserable roller coasters I've ever ridden. I have to wonder, _why_ did 3 parks suddenly buy a Vekoma Tilt Coaster, when only one was ever built, _22 years ago?!_
@@crooked-haloI imagine it was a bit of a watershed moment where once one park bought one, the rest decided that it was about time they did too. Vekoma have been making massive improvements in the past decade or so and their modern rides are unrecognizable from their older Boomerangs and SLCs
@@crooked-halo good question
This _is not_ "America's first," at least not _yet._ Circuit Breaker, the Vekoma Tilt Coaster at COTA in Texas is already under construction. Whichever one opens first will BE "America's first." There's another being built in Mexico. Is Vekoma having a clearance sale?! Too many Tilt Coaster parts in their factory for 20 years? They only built one, Gravity Max, over 20 years ago in China! Why? Does Gravity Max suck? Did it have major problems?! The tilt track & tower looks _very_ early 2000s! EDIT - I just learned Circuit Breaker is still just pieces in their parking lot, hasn’t even been started. Sirens Curse will probably be the first.
Taiwan ≠ China, despite what Xi Jumping thinks.
@@crooked-halo The one in Mexico isn’t happening. The one going to Cedar Point may be that one.
Incredible information as usual. Thanks again! 👍🏼
@@huddyr1112 your welcome