Since Ryan won't do the block zone definition For those of you who are unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end of a block zone is a method to stop the train in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another.
@@Tom_bradys_unretirement On rollercoasters a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy at a time. At the end of a block zone there is a method to stop the train, in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents rollercoaster trains from colliding with one another.
Eh i'm fine without it in this context. For a video that involves more intensive analysis of capacity and operations, it's mandatory, but here, it doesn't even seem important to name the block zones
This would be phenomenal. Trying to figure out what records they could feasibly break to keep it on-brand cedar point though...it would be absurdly challenging to commission.
@elcee4556 Yeah... that honestly could work really well in the space. Could easily see them doing something 175 feet tall/ ~4100 feet long... hell maybe even go with the vekoma launched model. Lift hill where snake river was and then skirt around the m-force overbank island...preferably toss the skycoaster into the garbage 🗑 or lake erie
For starters, they could theme with that pirate boat facade in front of Maverick. Have it tilted up on a few big rocks like it was "lured to it's fate" along with some netting and the rest of the pirate ride props.
Wild mouse is great. If you dont pay attention to weight balance you will spin pretty aggressively, especially for a family coaster. The cheese car is apparently spins the most.
I think it’s important to remember Cedar Point is the most seasonally visited park in the world and sees more attendants than most year round parks. With TT2 being a flop they need something to keep pass sales up and to make up for the massive loss.
the funny thing is once tt2 opens everyone is gonna forget about it being closed. it happens so much where people say “only this ride sucks its such a flop” and the and then a year or two later no one cares or even remembers
@@TSwany dorney did a survey in 2014 asking about a gci and a b&m flyer and nothing happened until TEN YEARS LATER. all im saying is just because they did a survey doesn’t mean anything
It looks cool, but I agree there were so many other parks that needed this ride, and with Cedar Point's immense coaster lineup I think the wiser option would have been to FINALLY add a dark ride to the park.
I kinda feel like the reason they decided to add this to CP over any other smaller Six Flags or Legacy CF parks has less to due with the TT2 situation and more to due with the speed of installation and infrastructure. They probably had very little time to make a decision with Vekoma to make this happen and CP was probably the only park in the chain with the resources and infrastructure to make this all happen in the window they had.
Same, thinking it's more they had a nice piece of flat land that required minimal preparation, knew there wouldn't be any permitting issues, and being at CP is going to generate a lot of buzz.
This is the reason being a long time CP visitor I was worried about getting put into 6 flags world and losing great coasters / attractions spread thinly to the other franchises who are now funding off CP established park or cash cow. As well as losing the awesome pricing CP has offered for many years..hopefully they will keep It affordable in the future.
Quite fitting to name the ride cursed considering it’s alleged issues at two separate parks from ever going vertical. Welcome to the states. Thank you Sandusky for the prompt approvals.
If the onboard audio had sounds of the track breaking with some jirations at the tilt, that would be on another level of terrifying! People would have to wear Depends to ride it!😂
Interesting that it's not going in the plot occupied by Snake River Falls. I was almost certain when they released the teaser, with the theming that it was going there over the water. That part of the park absolutely needs more development, way too much dead space between Millenium and Maverick. Maybe they're saving that plot for something bigger down the road.
It feels weird without it, but I understand why with this video not being as much main content that would require it. However since there was some talks about it I would still think the block zone explanation is always welcome.
This roller coaster is exactly the same as the example coaster model that Vekoma has on their website for this coaster type: so even if this isn’t Energylandias tilt coaster: it’s still a pre designed layout that wasn’t designed for Cedar point. Six flags Mexico was probably looking for a cheap Vekoma to celebrate the parks anniversary, just like what Great adventure tried to do with vertical velocity, and once the plan fell through they shipped it up to Cedar point!
Besides the fact it has the same thing as Valravn where it holds you straight down over the drop and it is placed right next to it, I think it will be different enough besides that to not feel to simular. Also if you look at it, it's not a 90 degree drop, it's more like 85 degrees.
All the Vekoma tilt coasters have 90 degree vertical drops, the park even said it's 90 degrees on their website, so I don't know where you pulled that fact from haha
@@JAXXNCREATED Oh, if you look at the very beginning of the animation, in this video in fact at 0:00, you can see the top of the track of the drop and see its not quite vertical but more around 85 degrees. If the park says its 90 degrees though and the animation is wrong, or its some angle that makes it look less, then maybe you are right. I guess we wouldn't know for sure until it opens.
@@maxhagenauer24look around the 5:39 mark. it does appear to be 90 degrees as they have stated. it’s hard to tell based on all the different camera perspectives, but i suspect it truly is 90 degrees. it won’t be parallel to the supports around the tilt mechanism because those are not angled vertically which also adds to this illusion. (edited to adjust time stamp)
@@sethegreen1 Oh you might be right, it does look more vertical there than in the first clip, I don't know why it is so different looking. The support structure does make sense like you said.
It could be a shipping thing. Cedar Point is near a port with ocean access. It has to come from Mexico to the USA. El Toro Ryan's home park makes since also, but who knows for sure right now. It will be a great 'did you know' when we are older.
They are doing the six flags thing. Announce it a year early with a prediction for summer and by the opening date it won't even be testing yet, tease through fall to haunt and open it with about a week left in the season before 2026
This reflects how Cedar Point used to be. A new thrill ride every year or every other year. Also, Cedar Point gets so many guest it needs this ride. At the rate they’ve removed more rides than they have added.
i have a feeling that a TON of six flags parks will get new gen vekomas like this or the super boomerangs so hopefully parks like valley fair and others get the ride that they deserve
Awesome vid per usual. Just a few notes regarding the restraints, seatbelts will definitely be added as Vekoma enforces seatbelts (and vests) on all their new regular loopers. Unfortunately, the restraints are pretty constricting and the lapbar itself also really tightens during the ride. For all those thoosies out there, don't worry new vekoma is great, however, they definitely ride more like a new school B&M rather than an Intamin (Vekoma's CEO even confirmed this).
Yooo Ryan. Have you ever considered doing a video about the engineering behind these tilt coasters? It seems so mind-blowing to me that something so massive and heavy can operate so accurately, for so many repetitions. How do they ensure the tracks line up PERFECTLY for thousands upon thousands of rides?
Parkitect does consider the tilt track its own block, so you can run 3 trains if you have a break run and transfer track. At that, they can at least get the crane and first layer of the station done, maybe something with the story then 2026 go full tilt with details like what's happened to the STC's at Tripsdrill and Emerald Park (although the first case was due to COVID). Maybe they get a third train in 2026, even if the circuit can't handle it because the tilt track is still too slow compared to Intamin's switch tracks. If it can reset in 30 seconds, 3 trains might work even with negligible capacity increase
Agree on the tilt block, RCT3 and NoLimits also have it as their own block. Why wouldn’t it? It does have to stop the train for 15-20 seconds every cycle, with more security than almost every other block.
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It’s bizarre to me that they’re going with a very rare model. Usually that gets sent to some of the smaller parks and then they go large scale. They could have a lot of downtime which isn’t gonna be awesome given dragster.
@@CoasterGaming At the time X flight was built it was a Six Flags park, so different chain. Rapterra isn’t open yet so Gatekeeper definitely came first. The other two wing coasters are at I believe Dollywood and Holiday World, and therefore also not Cedar Fair.
Cedar point deserves a complete new roller coaster. Saying they don't is just insane. This is what Cedar point does. I hope they continue to pump them out over the next few years, and dominate the roller coaster market.
It’s going to be great no doubt, but it’s odd to see Cedar Point get anything other than a ride custom-made for the park. Excited to ride, but I hope this was the right decision long-term
I’ve noticed some comments about capacity, and I just want folks to know that coasters in general aren’t the best way to deal with capacity issues at theme parks. One could argue the biggest flaw with parks like Cedar Point is their over reliance on Roller Coasters. Personally I’d like to see an investment into well themed dark ride attractions with this new company. Haunted Mansion style omni-mover rides that everyone could ride and enjoy. They’re generally less expensive and have high throughput.
While CP advertises itself as an amusement park, its a coaster and thrill park first and foremost. It always has been since the beginning with their first coaster in 1892, so coasters are the selling point. Also it did have a dark ride, and they tore it down. It did have a massive turn around and was the favorite for many, including myself. Disaster Transport, it was alien/space themed.
@@Keyleey I’m sad they tore down such a cool attraction at your park. My home park is SFNE and it’s been around over 150 years way before Six Flags came in. I understand Cedar Point historically has relied on thrills, but that’s not really true for other parks in this new company. People don’t go to Great Escape or Knotts just for the coasters. Most people who go to small/medium sized regional theme parks aren’t coaster enthusiasts/thrill seekers. Their families bringing their kids to a park they went to when they were little. I hope the company understands that dynamic. More than anything my park needs another water ride. All we have is a rapids now after they took out our log flume, and ship wreck falls. Quantum Accelerator looks amazing but we’ve been desperate for other ways to cool off for well over a decade.
@tormentorox1 I stopped attending shortly after it was torn down. Still hoping for another. But the people who do come to CP are thrill seekers, even with families and younger children, there is still camp snoopy. Thrill parks seem to be uncommon in America, so CP shouldn't change as it caters to that market and profits greatly off of it.
I’ve been watching your videos forever and pretty much fall asleep to problematic coasters every night. I always like your videos as soon as it starts playing, but no block zone definition????? Almost had to take the like away! I’m completely joking btw still loved the video!
In the release video, the train dips underground ~15-20ft. This dip would occur only a few hundred feet from the waters of the Lake Erie marina, which is going to be hard ask to keep the tunnel from flooding that close to the water. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are re-working the supports to raise the track to eliminate the underground portion and prevent an almost guaranteed flood hazard, increasing the height ~20ft. Hence the difference in stats from CP’s published stats and Energylandia’s.
If TT2 is running at the beginning of the season, it will bring a lot of people to ride it. I think Sirens Curse opening mid season is great for CP. The resurgence of people coming back for the new ride in the second half of the season will be great for the park. If all goes well, its exactly what the park needs. CP doesnt stay high on the list as one of the best parks without record breaking new additions. They suffered this year with the issues with TT2, but if the issues with TT2 are resolved, and Sirens Curse launches without a bunch of issues, it could be a record year for Cedar Point and an awesome experience for those of us that visit the park.
Wow! You must be an expert on roller coasters. This is a very impressive video with an exceptionally detailed analysis. It is very educational. Well Done!
Thanks for giving us the skinny on Siren's Curse ride. That coaster will be extremely popular despite the fact I think they need an elite woodie instead.
well with the "early summer" cedar point dosn't open till early may so i may not be open right at opening but due to cedar point opening a bit later than other parks it still could shortly after park opening this season
This Could run 3 Train just fine. Lift + Tilt will take some time (assuming at least 45s looking at the animation, Tilt isn't fast). And Layout + Clearing the brake is also about 45s. So : 1 Train in the Station / 1 Train Layout / 1 Train Lift + Tilt. You can have 1 Train sending every 45-60s with little to no stacking (if staff can keep up). And that's a solid 1400 - 1900 Rider per hour.
This had to have been planned atleast over a year ago. As while I was at CoasterMania 2023 me and my brother were looking at stakes in the ground on its plot of land for surveying. At first we thought it was going to be part of an extended layout for TT2 but there was 100% markers in the field near the marina.
As soon as the coaster is released and clears the tilt track it needs to start returning to level. There is no chance of a rollback so it doesn't need to stay vertical.
For those of you who are unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end of a block zone is a method to stop the train in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another.
This layout could definitely run 3 trains if the maintenance area was extended to hold 2 trains. Moreover, I think the switch track will only be able to start resetting once the train has cleared the first element, as if the train doesn't make it over for whatever reason then the back of the train could possibly roll back onto the switch section. This could also be fixed by placing friction brakes at the bottom of the drop valley boomerang-style so it can start resetting as soon as the train has gone through the brakes.
I’m not too worried about the capacity. They have so many high capacity coasters it spreads out the crowds. I’ve been to Cedar Point a ton over the years and worked there for a year and rarely saw the crowds that people tell horror stories about. Maybe a few Saturdays a year, but never have I needed Fastlane whatsoever. Capacity will be fine for the majority of the time.
The positive g's at the bottom of the main drop look to be crushing, following by a sweet ejector hill. This ride will be fantastic and I am so glad the US is getting some new thrill Vekomas.
I think the biggest saving grace of Sirens Curse is how it will free up Mav, SteVe and Millie's lines. Add TT2 in the mix, and next year might be a really fun season at CP. As long as theirs no hiccups after spending so much time and money on putting a new coaster in to bandaid the whole TT2 24' opening debacle...
My guess is that this ride was originally designed with 2 Trains running is because the Tilt section is the limiting factor for dispatch intervals. Having 3 Trains on it might not have any capacity benefit what so ever.
I believe this is the same ride model that vekoma has on their website, it's the cliffhanger model so you can maybe get some stats from that to compare with sirens curse.
There is some deep dive lore to be done on this coaster and how it got to Cedar Point... I agree that the track color and lack of any queue aesthetic is kind of a bummer
Very clever, Ryan! Leaving out the block definition and watching the comments is a great way to see who has been watching your channel and who is new! Maybe just add this part as text to the video description along with a link to a video where you cover block zones in depth. Note all this in future videos before you show a coaster's block zones, and everyone should be happy. And they should buy a T-shirt! I am hopeful that the two-train operation will turn out to be a good thing overall. Between staffing issues, green sheets, overzealous safety, and difficult customers, the load-unload times are so long that three-train operation feels pointless. (Especially on B&Ms...) Two trains are commonly stacked with the third in the station, making the experience miserable as a rider because you have to wait almost an entire cycle to get off.
Since Ryan won't do the block zone definition
For those of you who are unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end of a block zone is a method to stop the train in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another.
Needed this thank you 🥺
Omg thank you so much
Thanks mate
thanks!
It's not the same man, it's just not the same.
How will I ever understand Block Zones without a definition?
I really wish there was someone out there to explain it
@@Tom_bradys_unretirement On rollercoasters a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy at a time. At the end of a block zone there is a method to stop the train, in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents rollercoaster trains from colliding with one another.
@@iitzfizzthanks man. I was begging to find out what they are. Your a life saver 🥹
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We should all know this from playing roller coaster tycoon.
I understood everything up until 7:45 then it didn't make sense anymore.
he forgot to define block zones 😭😭
NO WE NEED THE BLOCK ZONE DEFINITION
Agreed!
Eh i'm fine without it in this context. For a video that involves more intensive analysis of capacity and operations, it's mandatory, but here, it doesn't even seem important to name the block zones
What is a block zone?
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I literally only subscribe for block zone definitions
Man, I really wish I knew what a block zone was! You pointed at part of the track, but idk what a block zone is lol
I’m not the first person to say this, but a GCI on the old Snake River Falls plot would be PERFECT. It probably won’t happen, but I can dream.
I think it’s very likely now, especially theming a wooden coaster to a western theme
This would be phenomenal.
Trying to figure out what records they could feasibly break to keep it on-brand cedar point though...it would be absurdly challenging to commission.
I think a B&M flyer as intense as the Jurassic Park ride in Universal Japan would be perfect for Cedar Point
@@DridgeismEasy, just invent some ultra-specific record which only has one existing example, and say you broke it when you build the second
@elcee4556 Yeah... that honestly could work really well in the space. Could easily see them doing something 175 feet tall/ ~4100 feet long... hell maybe even go with the vekoma launched model.
Lift hill where snake river was and then skirt around the m-force overbank island...preferably toss the skycoaster into the garbage 🗑 or lake erie
For starters, they could theme with that pirate boat facade in front of Maverick. Have it tilted up on a few big rocks like it was "lured to it's fate" along with some netting and the rest of the pirate ride props.
And some evil looking mermaids
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Wild Mouse: Am I a joke to you?
Yes. Yes it is.
Personally I think Wild Mouse is pretty legit. You can get some insane spin on it
@@TheSirenSeeker I love Wild Mouse. Perfect fit for the area of the park it is in and a nice ride for the family.
Wild mouse is great. If you dont pay attention to weight balance you will spin pretty aggressively, especially for a family coaster. The cheese car is apparently spins the most.
@@tdubb3254 stole my comment, word for word
I think it’s important to remember Cedar Point is the most seasonally visited park in the world and sees more attendants than most year round parks. With TT2 being a flop they need something to keep pass sales up and to make up for the massive loss.
Cedar point knows what they're doing. Or six flags i mean
the funny thing is once tt2 opens everyone is gonna forget about it being closed. it happens so much where people say “only this ride sucks its such a flop” and the and then a year or two later no one cares or even remembers
idk what “massive loss” you’re talking about they set an attendance record this year 🤣 and their Q2 numbers were the highest they’ve ever been
@MicheleAnfuso-h2y 😂😂😂😂 Attendence isn't done this year and it's on par with years past just a fyi.
@@TheStud52484on par with years past is still a downgrade when they were expecting a new coaster to be open and driving attendance this year
I’m really glad Kings Island didn’t get this ride. Kings Island and Vortex deserve to have a custom built ride for that plot of land
i’m still not confident that kings island will be filling that plot of land anytime soon tbh
@@MicheleAnfuso-h2yThey did do that survey with the Infinity coaster and the weird extended Beast concept. It's coming.
@@TSwany yes and carowinds did a survey in 2019 asking if people wanted a dive, gci, or water coaster. surveys don’t mean shit
@@TSwany dorney did a survey in 2014 asking about a gci and a b&m flyer and nothing happened until TEN YEARS LATER. all im saying is just because they did a survey doesn’t mean anything
@@MicheleAnfuso-h2y you say that but you literally commented on a video of a ride that came from a survey 5 months ago
It looks cool, but I agree there were so many other parks that needed this ride, and with Cedar Point's immense coaster lineup I think the wiser option would have been to FINALLY add a dark ride to the park.
I kinda feel like the reason they decided to add this to CP over any other smaller Six Flags or Legacy CF parks has less to due with the TT2 situation and more to due with the speed of installation and infrastructure. They probably had very little time to make a decision with Vekoma to make this happen and CP was probably the only park in the chain with the resources and infrastructure to make this all happen in the window they had.
Same, thinking it's more they had a nice piece of flat land that required minimal preparation, knew there wouldn't be any permitting issues, and being at CP is going to generate a lot of buzz.
Logical thinking is very refreshing. 🤝 #underratedcomment
This is the reason being a long time CP visitor I was worried about getting put into 6 flags world and losing great coasters / attractions spread thinly to the other franchises who are now funding off CP established park or cash cow. As well as losing the awesome pricing CP has offered for many years..hopefully they will keep It affordable in the future.
Quite fitting to name the ride cursed considering it’s alleged issues at two separate parks from ever going vertical. Welcome to the states. Thank you Sandusky for the prompt approvals.
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Are you referring to hospital and police sirens?
If the onboard audio had sounds of the track breaking with some jirations at the tilt, that would be on another level of terrifying! People would have to wear Depends to ride it!😂
This would be pretty hilarious lol
Interesting that it's not going in the plot occupied by Snake River Falls. I was almost certain when they released the teaser, with the theming that it was going there over the water. That part of the park absolutely needs more development, way too much dead space between Millenium and Maverick.
Maybe they're saving that plot for something bigger down the road.
It feels weird without it, but I understand why with this video not being as much main content that would require it. However since there was some talks about it I would still think the block zone explanation is always welcome.
This roller coaster is exactly the same as the example coaster model that Vekoma has on their website for this coaster type: so even if this isn’t Energylandias tilt coaster: it’s still a pre designed layout that wasn’t designed for Cedar point. Six flags Mexico was probably looking for a cheap Vekoma to celebrate the parks anniversary, just like what Great adventure tried to do with vertical velocity, and once the plan fell through they shipped it up to Cedar point!
I had no idea this ride had such a convoluted provenance. Thank you for putting all the pieces together. 😊
Besides the fact it has the same thing as Valravn where it holds you straight down over the drop and it is placed right next to it, I think it will be different enough besides that to not feel to simular. Also if you look at it, it's not a 90 degree drop, it's more like 85 degrees.
All the Vekoma tilt coasters have 90 degree vertical drops, the park even said it's 90 degrees on their website, so I don't know where you pulled that fact from haha
@@JAXXNCREATED Oh, if you look at the very beginning of the animation, in this video in fact at 0:00, you can see the top of the track of the drop and see its not quite vertical but more around 85 degrees. If the park says its 90 degrees though and the animation is wrong, or its some angle that makes it look less, then maybe you are right. I guess we wouldn't know for sure until it opens.
It has a slightly twisted first drop as well...
@@maxhagenauer24look around the 5:39 mark. it does appear to be 90 degrees as they have stated. it’s hard to tell based on all the different camera perspectives, but i suspect it truly is 90 degrees. it won’t be parallel to the supports around the tilt mechanism because those are not angled vertically which also adds to this illusion.
(edited to adjust time stamp)
@@sethegreen1 Oh you might be right, it does look more vertical there than in the first clip, I don't know why it is so different looking. The support structure does make sense like you said.
I thought hearing the block zone definition every time was annoying, until it was gone
Once this opens it’s gonna be VERY packed there
It already is in the summer lol. With this and TT2 though, hopefully lines are spread out pretty evenly
@@j.johnson7891 oh it’s gonna be even more packed
It could be a shipping thing. Cedar Point is near a port with ocean access. It has to come from Mexico to the USA. El Toro Ryan's home park makes since also, but who knows for sure right now. It will be a great 'did you know' when we are older.
The park needs a gci next
I didn’t understand anything when he was talking about block zones. Can someone explain it to me?
I was confused about the block zones? How will the train stop if the section ahead is occupied?
Skipping the Block Zone definition! Radical move Ryan!
7:40 How dare you
They are doing the six flags thing. Announce it a year early with a prediction for summer and by the opening date it won't even be testing yet, tease through fall to haunt and open it with about a week left in the season before 2026
This reflects how Cedar Point used to be. A new thrill ride every year or every other year.
Also, Cedar Point gets so many guest it needs this ride.
At the rate they’ve removed more rides than they have added.
If (when) Vekoma knocks this out of the park, SF will buy more from them. This should kick off a wave of new gen vekomas in the states
Alpen fury, sirens curse, stardust racers, and so many more. 2025 is gonna be a great year
wrath of rakshasa too
@Ben.L0v3sJesus yeah that too I guess
i have a feeling that a TON of six flags parks will get new gen vekomas like this or the super boomerangs so hopefully parks like valley fair and others get the ride that they deserve
They will probably order 3 trains to make sure that at least 2 are occupying the track at all times.
Awesome vid per usual. Just a few notes regarding the restraints, seatbelts will definitely be added as Vekoma enforces seatbelts (and vests) on all their new regular loopers. Unfortunately, the restraints are pretty constricting and the lapbar itself also really tightens during the ride. For all those thoosies out there, don't worry new vekoma is great, however, they definitely ride more like a new school B&M rather than an Intamin (Vekoma's CEO even confirmed this).
What an unreal scenario, to think we thought it’d be for the waterpark with such a late announcement
Yooo Ryan. Have you ever considered doing a video about the engineering behind these tilt coasters?
It seems so mind-blowing to me that something so massive and heavy can operate so accurately, for so many repetitions. How do they ensure the tracks line up PERFECTLY for thousands upon thousands of rides?
Parkitect does consider the tilt track its own block, so you can run 3 trains if you have a break run and transfer track. At that, they can at least get the crane and first layer of the station done, maybe something with the story then 2026 go full tilt with details like what's happened to the STC's at Tripsdrill and Emerald Park (although the first case was due to COVID). Maybe they get a third train in 2026, even if the circuit can't handle it because the tilt track is still too slow compared to Intamin's switch tracks. If it can reset in 30 seconds, 3 trains might work even with negligible capacity increase
Agree on the tilt block, RCT3 and NoLimits also have it as their own block. Why wouldn’t it? It does have to stop the train for 15-20 seconds every cycle, with more security than almost every other block.
Can you make a video about gold striker at CGA? Its a GCI and was made in 2013
I’m really just dying for a heavily themed tilt coaster.
Like the one in the concept art on Vekoma's website, that would be awesome!
Cotaland: we are going to have the first tilt coaster in America
Cedar point:hold my soda…
How am I supposed to know what a block zone is without the definition
In case you are unfamiliar, a block zone is a is a section of track that holds a train, to prevent a collision between the two trains and it will stop if there is a block zone is occupied by another train.
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It’s bizarre to me that they’re going with a very rare model. Usually that gets sent to some of the smaller parks and then they go large scale. They could have a lot of downtime which isn’t gonna be awesome given dragster.
Not always the case. Look at Gatekeeper. It’s the only wing model in the chain I believe.
@@ninjagirl226x flight and Rappterra
@@CoasterGaming At the time X flight was built it was a Six Flags park, so different chain.
Rapterra isn’t open yet so Gatekeeper definitely came first.
The other two wing coasters are at I believe Dollywood and Holiday World, and therefore also not Cedar Fair.
@@ninjagirl226 Still, the chain usually looks at models after they're built elsewhere. On top of that it's Vekoma.
@@reiemg Modern Vecoma’s are doing very well in Europe. I believe there are tilt coaster internationally as well so this isn’t a prototype model.
@ElToroRyan Are you okay? Is skipping the block zone definition your way of calling for help?
Vekoma’s propagation is awesome to see! This layout looks fantastic, especially that truss dive looking thing after the drop. Nice video!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought it'd look better in purple
I think teal would suit it better imo. Valravn should have been purple
Purple track with teal supports would go so hard for this. Or vice versa!
Fluorescent yellow with grey supports
Cedar point deserves a complete new roller coaster. Saying they don't is just insane. This is what Cedar point does. I hope they continue to pump them out over the next few years, and dominate the roller coaster market.
I think the empty flat piece of land that was pretty much already prepped made this a no brainer.
WHERE IS OUR BLOCK BRAKE LOVING ELTORORYAN
I don't know what a block zone is! Can you please explain?
NOOO NOT THE BLOCK ZONES 😫😫😫😫
Wait what’s a block zone that whole part of the video was confusing to me
Block zones? What are block zones
It’s going to be great no doubt, but it’s odd to see Cedar Point get anything other than a ride custom-made for the park.
Excited to ride, but I hope this was the right decision long-term
I’ve noticed some comments about capacity, and I just want folks to know that coasters in general aren’t the best way to deal with capacity issues at theme parks.
One could argue the biggest flaw with parks like Cedar Point is their over reliance on Roller Coasters.
Personally I’d like to see an investment into well themed dark ride attractions with this new company. Haunted Mansion style omni-mover rides that everyone could ride and enjoy. They’re generally less expensive and have high throughput.
While CP advertises itself as an amusement park, its a coaster and thrill park first and foremost. It always has been since the beginning with their first coaster in 1892, so coasters are the selling point. Also it did have a dark ride, and they tore it down. It did have a massive turn around and was the favorite for many, including myself. Disaster Transport, it was alien/space themed.
@@Keyleey I’m sad they tore down such a cool attraction at your park. My home park is SFNE and it’s been around over 150 years way before Six Flags came in.
I understand Cedar Point historically has relied on thrills, but that’s not really true for other parks in this new company. People don’t go to Great Escape or Knotts just for the coasters.
Most people who go to small/medium sized regional theme parks aren’t coaster enthusiasts/thrill seekers. Their families bringing their kids to a park they went to when they were little.
I hope the company understands that dynamic. More than anything my park needs another water ride. All we have is a rapids now after they took out our log flume, and ship wreck falls. Quantum Accelerator looks amazing but we’ve been desperate for other ways to cool off for well over a decade.
@tormentorox1 I stopped attending shortly after it was torn down. Still hoping for another. But the people who do come to CP are thrill seekers, even with families and younger children, there is still camp snoopy. Thrill parks seem to be uncommon in America, so CP shouldn't change as it caters to that market and profits greatly off of it.
@@Keyleey I understand that. I just know that not every park is Cedar Point. I hope they don’t do a one size fits all approach.
@@Keyleey and you can do thrilling dark rides.
I’ve been watching your videos forever and pretty much fall asleep to problematic coasters every night. I always like your videos as soon as it starts playing, but no block zone definition????? Almost had to take the like away!
I’m completely joking btw still loved the video!
Has anyone found out if the “160 ft” is the lift hill height or is it the top of the tilt when it’s vertical?
From what you have described Ryan, it seems that Siren’s curse is a fan’s consolation for Top Thrill
The fact that Vekoma will join the collection of coasters at CP is great news for the park. Would love to see Mack next.
what is this zone block section he referenced?
This feel like one of the most Six Flags thing the park could have done tbh
2025 is the year for vakoma im calling it now
What’s Vakoma?
In the release video, the train dips underground ~15-20ft. This dip would occur only a few hundred feet from the waters of the Lake Erie marina, which is going to be hard ask to keep the tunnel from flooding that close to the water. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are re-working the supports to raise the track to eliminate the underground portion and prevent an almost guaranteed flood hazard, increasing the height ~20ft. Hence the difference in stats from CP’s published stats and Energylandia’s.
Humans have been building literal underwater tunnels for over a century. I’m pretty sure a slightly recessed concrete trench will be just fine.
You wouldn't redo the supports that have already been manufactured. If anything, you would just make the footers taller.
Or just let it flood, and then Cedar Point finally gets the water ride we all expected
"OK riders, when you hear the siren say IM TAKING YOU DOWN, you need to hold your breath and close your eyes"
Ummmm. Then you would need to adjust the supports and track….
If TT2 is running at the beginning of the season, it will bring a lot of people to ride it. I think Sirens Curse opening mid season is great for CP. The resurgence of people coming back for the new ride in the second half of the season will be great for the park. If all goes well, its exactly what the park needs. CP doesnt stay high on the list as one of the best parks without record breaking new additions. They suffered this year with the issues with TT2, but if the issues with TT2 are resolved, and Sirens Curse launches without a bunch of issues, it could be a record year for Cedar Point and an awesome experience for those of us that visit the park.
what the hell is a block zone?
What’s a block zone?
The tilt concept looks terrifying. I'm sure you'll love it.
Cedar point needed to redeem themselves for the TT2 mistake. It would be pretty cool if they can open TT2 and sirens curse in 2025
Wow! You must be an expert on roller coasters. This is a very impressive video with an exceptionally detailed analysis. It is very educational. Well Done!
No explanation of what a block zone is, this is ridiculous Ryan, and on a Friday of all days, how dare you😂😂😂
Thanks for giving us the skinny on Siren's Curse ride. That coaster will be extremely popular despite the fact I think they need an elite woodie instead.
well with the "early summer" cedar point dosn't open till early may so i may not be open right at opening but due to cedar point opening a bit later than other parks it still could shortly after park opening this season
This Could run 3 Train just fine.
Lift + Tilt will take some time (assuming at least 45s looking at the animation, Tilt isn't fast).
And Layout + Clearing the brake is also about 45s. So :
1 Train in the Station / 1 Train Layout / 1 Train Lift + Tilt.
You can have 1 Train sending every 45-60s with little to no stacking (if staff can keep up). And that's a solid 1400 - 1900 Rider per hour.
The below ground portion of The Double Loop at Geauga Lake after the second loop was quite intense.
This had to have been planned atleast over a year ago. As while I was at CoasterMania 2023 me and my brother were looking at stakes in the ground on its plot of land for surveying. At first we thought it was going to be part of an extended layout for TT2 but there was 100% markers in the field near the marina.
As soon as the coaster is released and clears the tilt track it needs to start returning to level. There is no chance of a rollback so it doesn't need to stay vertical.
For those of you who are unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end of a block zone is a method to stop the train in case the block zone ahead is still occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another.
This layout could definitely run 3 trains if the maintenance area was extended to hold 2 trains. Moreover, I think the switch track will only be able to start resetting once the train has cleared the first element, as if the train doesn't make it over for whatever reason then the back of the train could possibly roll back onto the switch section. This could also be fixed by placing friction brakes at the bottom of the drop valley boomerang-style so it can start resetting as soon as the train has gone through the brakes.
I heard that this tilt coaster was suppose to go to six flags Mexico
I think Cedar Point is worried tt2 will not be fixable. At least not by Zamperla
I’m not too worried about the capacity. They have so many high capacity coasters it spreads out the crowds. I’ve been to Cedar Point a ton over the years and worked there for a year and rarely saw the crowds that people tell horror stories about. Maybe a few Saturdays a year, but never have I needed Fastlane whatsoever. Capacity will be fine for the majority of the time.
Help I dont know what blocks sections is
I must say that I haven’t been this surprised by a CP announcement since Maverick.
same!
The lack of theming in this day and age kills me
Wow... I can't believe it.
No block zone definition 😢
Hey you're a genius and have taught me so much thru ur videos. ....might be off topic but thank you for the edutainment
The positive g's at the bottom of the main drop look to be crushing, following by a sweet ejector hill. This ride will be fantastic and I am so glad the US is getting some new thrill Vekomas.
What is a block zone, Ryan? I need to KNOWWWW....
I think the biggest saving grace of Sirens Curse is how it will free up Mav, SteVe and Millie's lines. Add TT2 in the mix, and next year might be a really fun season at CP. As long as theirs no hiccups after spending so much time and money on putting a new coaster in to bandaid the whole TT2 24' opening debacle...
Don’t you ever mention block zones and let that slide again.
Really thought it would be a Mack water coaster. I ain’t see one person predict a tilt coaster
2026 - That was likely the plan all along. This is just a bonus that popped up - a "free" coaster of sorts after the merger and fail at SFM.
My guess is that this ride was originally designed with 2 Trains running is because the Tilt section is the limiting factor for dispatch intervals. Having 3 Trains on it might not have any capacity benefit what so ever.
The one being built at 6 flags qiddiya is going to be a hyper. Interesting that CP wont have the record.
I believe this is the same ride model that vekoma has on their website, it's the cliffhanger model so you can maybe get some stats from that to compare with sirens curse.
There is some deep dive lore to be done on this coaster and how it got to Cedar Point...
I agree that the track color and lack of any queue aesthetic is kind of a bummer
Very clever, Ryan! Leaving out the block definition and watching the comments is a great way to see who has been watching your channel and who is new!
Maybe just add this part as text to the video description along with a link to a video where you cover block zones in depth. Note all this in future videos before you show a coaster's block zones, and everyone should be happy. And they should buy a T-shirt!
I am hopeful that the two-train operation will turn out to be a good thing overall. Between staffing issues, green sheets, overzealous safety, and difficult customers, the load-unload times are so long that three-train operation feels pointless. (Especially on B&Ms...) Two trains are commonly stacked with the third in the station, making the experience miserable as a rider because you have to wait almost an entire cycle to get off.
7:40 what is a block zone though????
“Uniquely Sized Guests”
No Block Zone Definition?!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO RYAN IMPOSTER!