These tents remind me of my very first tent, especially the triplex. The triplex is a throwback to the classic A frame tent(old is new again). That old relied on a pole in the middle of each doorway to help support the tent. One thing even back then was the dam pole right in the middle of the door. Was always a hassle getting in and out. I'm 6' 3" and getting my long legs out while exiting the tent was always a challenge. I do concede that the weight savings are significant even going up against my current tent(Nemo Dagger3).
Great observation! I didn't think of it that way, but that is a perfect comparison. Having huge side doors on the Triplex does help maneuvering compared to the "end" entrance of A frame tents. The pole is still there and every once and a while it will remind me as I'm trying to exit half asleep. Thanks for watching!
I love my Ultamid 2 with full insert. I took it on my AT hike last year. Although it weighs a bit more and is quite bulky, the space and comfort were well worth it. Every night I spread out all my gear on one side as I slept on the other. This made nighttime and morning organization unbeatable. And the tent is bombproof. No condensation issues. No wind or rain issues.
It's a great tent and I agree with you, the bulk/weight is worth the space it provides. Glad to hear it made it on the AT! I have used this tent all winter in the North East and it has worked well. Bug season is back so I will be carrying the mesh insert again. I am going to add the half insert this season and give that a try. I like messing around with gear and trying new tents but I think I have found something that works for me year round so the other tents are being sold (keeping the Triplex). The Zpacks Plex tents are hard to beat for weight but I still gravitate towards the Ultamid. Thanks for watching!
Exactly.... i like to organize my gear and cook ( careefully with a windburner on a plate) out of bug range.... in some places eg NZ you can get clouds of sandflys that drive you nuts. Full insert also allows stargazing when used alone on nonwet nights. And even having lunch under in places like Tasmania, where you can get 6 large marsh flies dive bombing you in almost all areas in summer.... Mmm thats a big plus for me. Had trouble staying still in tasmania in summer. If one wants to use the trek poles on a side trip dayhike, one can replace them with a stick if there is.one . Thanks to their reinforced apex. Fly + full insert + 12 pegs. Is 1281 grams. Still light for 1 person, 600g tents are a bit crampy for myself. Also can use fly only in snow, allows alcoves to be dug etc.
@@ouhike2 I'm thinking of selling my two person tents to get a ultramid 2. Do you think it would comfortable fit two adults plus a dog? I'm 6' tall if that helps. I like the idea is having one tent to cover all seasons and adding the insert during rain and bug seasons.
Jeff Ozimek The Ultamid 2 alone has plenty of room for two people plus a dog. Adding the insert reduces some floor space and it may feel a little tight depending on the size of the dog and the amount of gear. This tent does not have a vestibule and most of the gear is tucked in the corners inside the tent taking up some floor space. As long as your dog is a good sleeper, I can see a medium sized dog sleeping between two people at the foot end. Hope this helps?
Great video. I found this video basically because I am looking at the Duplex and Ultamid. I really like the Ultramid. It is super expensive, but, looks like an amazing tent. Thanks for the comparison, subscribed. ✌️
Thanks! Both are excellent tents. The Ultamid gives a little more versatility for my purpose and I seem to be using it more than any other tent I own. Thanks for watching!
This was an excellent review! I just finished a simple backpacking trip in Yosemite NP and I was using my MSR Hubba 1P tent that I purchased way back in 2012. I'm much older now (70) and I've concluded that trying to enter and exit a 36" opening on my hands and knees is no fun and increasingly difficult. Then I spotted the ULTAMID 2 and noticed the pyramid shape with a tall opening, something that I can enter by just stooping a bit. I'm not thrilled with the price and heavier weight, but for the reasons just mentioned I think the roominess and tall entry will greatly improve my enjoyment of backpacking. I also really want DCF material rather than nylon.
Thank you! I love Yosemite and haven't been there in a long time. The Ultamid is easier to get in and out of especially without an insert. Certain conditions require the insert (bugs, wet etc..) but if you can use it without the insert .... I think you'd be very happy with the livability and function. The single insert does leave one side of the tent open and gives more headroom in that area. If you have any other questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer. Thanks for Watching!
@@ouhike2 Terrific, thanks so much. I think I prefer a full insert rather than a single insert, otherwise I'd feel like I was back in my Hubba 1 person tent. I'd really like to try it without an insert using just a DCF groundsheet, but only late in the season when mosquitos are less of a problem.
Thanks for sharing. I also have HMG Ultamid 2 and a Zpacks Duplex (as well as the Notch that you have seen in my Lapland series). I only have the half insert for the HMG Ultamid. It was nice to see the full insert in action. I have the RUTA LOCURA 600 Carbon Fiber Tent pole and it works out well for me. I'll have to look at your other video on the trekking pole mod. I just subscribed so that I can follow your adventures😀.
Brian, Thanks for the comment. My Ultamid has only been out twice :) but its third trip is next weekend. I am getting the RL pole but their suggestion was the 710 because this will be used all winter long (HMG marketed the Ultamid as 4 season so time will tell). Do you feel the 600 series pole can withstand snow load and 30-40mph winds or would you opt for the 710? I live in Upstate NY and it seems to me from watching your videos, we have similar weather. Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 My Ultamid 2 is also a new edition also. I have only owned it since May this year. I've only used it on 5 hikes so far and experimented with the HMG pole straps and the RUTA LOCURA 600 Carbon Fiber Tent pole. I can't say how it preforms in winter yet but I'm going to test it out in the coming season. I purchased the 600 series because that is what the European webshop (not HMG) listed as the one required for my shelter.
@@BrianOutdoors I will look forward to any feedback on that pole in winter conditions. After all, it is lighter that the 710. I need my trekking poles (snowshoeing) while using the tent as basecamp in the winter so I have to purchase the pole soon.
@@ouhike2 I think that I'm taking my Duplex on the next hike but then I'll be pitching the Ultamid after that. So I'm looking forward to using it through the winter. Will be interesting. I'll try to share what I learn.
I agree! The prices are out of control! My Ultamid 2 with both options of double insert and single insert combined with my SW 4400 pack cost more than my first car(that doesn't even sound right). This is quality "Made In USA" gear and I prefer buying from USA manufacturers.
@Seven I wonder why Dyneema isn't used in more tents there. I absolutely love the stuff and don't have any complaints. I will have to look up Bonfus (I've never heard of them but I am curious) Thanks for watching!
Can you provide update on how these are performing for you? Have you tried using the Ultamid without the insert? I plan to use mine without inserts. Thus 18 oz. use a bug net and Polycryo ground cloth.
Both tents perform perfect for my needs. My two favorite tents of all time and they both function in their own way. If you watch my winter videos, I do not use either insert with my Ultamid. I prefer no insert in the winter and as light as the insert is ... one less thin to carry. When bug season rolls around it becomes a different story. I don't leave home without the insert. Also, upstate NY is wet and muddy. The insert provides a floor and helps protect the gear. If you have specific performance questions, please let me know. For my needs, I can't think of any other tents I need. Thanks for watching!
Have you pitched the HMG on rock? Wondering how viable that tent is when dirt isn’t available. I’m concerned that a shelter like that couldn’t be held up entirely by placing rocks on top of stakes to hold them in place.
I have not pitched this tent on all rock. Here in the northeast its mostly dirt and large rock areas are few. Maybe sometime this summer I can locate a spot to test that scenario. Thanks for watching!
Hi! Thanks for watching and I don't do anything special with it. I make sure its clean and dry after every use and store it in the stuff sack it came with.
Very good review. Unfortunately I am in France and the HMG tent is definitely overpriced here. I hope they ll open a shop or will have a reseller in the future🤷🏻♂️
It is an expensive tent and I can only imagine what the price ends up being in other countries. For me it does have more pluses than my other tents and I find I’m gravitating to using it most of the time. I probably will be doing another review soon and focus just on this tent. There are a few things I don’t like and may be deal breakers for some (no vestibule when using double insert for example) but nothing that bothers me personally.
If you were to guess which one of these tents would have the most available air flow in a 90+ degree summer storm? I was looking at both of these tents to replace my current tent when this happens.
That's a tough one because where I live 90 degrees never happens when its time to set up camp. If we are comparing apples to apples and using the insert on the Ultamid, I would pick the Triplex for a 90 degree rain storm. I feel that having the vestibules, allows the tent to be pitched higher and in turn allowing more air flow through the tent. The fly on the Ultamid cannot be set higher than the bathtub floor or rain will get in for sure. This does keep air from flowing directly through the tent. If the Ultamid is set up without the insert then air flow would not be hampered (this is all personal preference). The doors on the Ultamid cannot be left open even in a light rain or the inside will get wet. I prefer the versatility of the Ultamid but I can see advantages with the Triplex. This is just my opinion and I have only used the Ultamid twice. Please take my info with a grain of salt as I really would like a full year with the Ultamid before I offer many opinions. Hope this helped and thanks for watching.
I use the Ruta Locura carbon fiber pole that is available on HMG or direct from Ruta Locura. I will use trekking poles from time to time also. Thanks for watching!
You are correct! For this video I did use two Alpine Carbon Cork BD trekking poles. I don’t hike with them all the time so the Ruta Locura is my other option.
To be fair, I have not had the triplex in anything more than a mediocre storm at best. I love the Ultamid for windy wet weather and that is my tent of choice. I love the triplex for summer months when more airflow is needed. That may answer part of your question being it is easier to get a cross breeze through the tent. Most months in upstate NY, I grab the ultamid. Thanks for watching!
Exactly what I bought. The Ultamid is the better tent for the extremes. The condensation is less than Zpacks due to the vents in the beak. There is a better constant air flow on the walls. Also the duplex/triplex cannot be fully closed, as the doors have no full zipper. If you go mountains or coast lines, extreme weather, the Ultamid is the better protective structure. I still think I may buy the single person inner for the Ultamid later on as well....another option others don't have. I wish HMG would not have ditched the top vent closures.....
I agree and the Ultamid is quickly becoming my tent of choice. I think I will buy the single insert also, a slight weight savings and just another option. This tents versatility is GREAT! I can see where the lack of vent closures may be an issue but I have found (MSR Hubba Hubba) tents without any top venting in cool/cold weather makes for more wet. At least they left the vents there.
Great review, thank you! Do you think Zpacks would be roomy enough for two people + their packs inside, even if one person is as tall as 6'5? Cheers, Chris
Chris Nigul 6’5” might be pushing it but I would go with the triplex for sure because even with two people you can sleep at a slight angle which gives tall people a little extra room. Yes, packs fit in the triplex with two people on 25” wide sleeping pads. The triplex is the most room you will ever get in a tent at that weight. Hope this helped. Thanks for watching!
Chris Nigul No, I feel the Ultamid 2 w/insert would not fit 6’5” comfortably. You would be touching the bug netting on the insert. Primarily because of the pole in the center which requires sleeping fairly straight. Without the insert it would be no problem as there is more room. Also, I feel the room in the triplex is more comfortable for two with gear. There has to be some reviews of taller people who own zpacks tents? I don’t want to steer you wrong as these are very expensive purchases.
I only use the mesh insert in warmer weather when bugs are an issue. My sleeping bag does come in contact with the mesh insert but does not collect moisture from the main tent. The distance between the insert and the tent is enough to prevent any contact (as long as I'm centered and not sliding in either direction). Condensation only builds on the main tent body and in winter it usually turns into a thin layer of frost that is easily brushed off before packing the tent. Warm muggy summer nights the doors are left open and I pitched the tent higher to encourage as much air flow as possible. Hope this answered your question ... Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 - thanks. I've been looking at both these tents for a while. We are currently using the Copper Spur HV UL3 - weighing in at 70 ounces with the ground sheet. After adding stakes to the weight of the HMG, the Ultamid would save us about 25 ounces, which is significant, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to spend $1,140 for 25 ounces. The triplex seems to make more sense from a weight savings and cost perspective, but lacks the versatility and other features you mentioned...I guess this is why we are still carrying the Big Agnes.
@@BacktotheOutdoors Gear is so subjective and its easy to get sucked in to saving weight when its not the most practical avenue to take. I have never used a Copper Spur HV UL3 and cannot comment but the reviews are amazing and speak volumes. I like Dyneema gear! Not only does it save weight its the advantages for what I use it for that shines. The Triplex does make more sense for weight savings and I will continue to use it for warm weather and when big storms are not in the forecast. I lean on the HMG because, like you said, its versatility is what sets it apart. This tent works year round and with the option of single or double insert ... no insert for winter ... For me, this tent works and I don't know if I would spend $1,140 to save 25oz unless I was doing long trails ... I like comfort and don't mind carrying a little extra if it works. Thanks for watching!
I agree, it can be a little bit of a nuisance. I really don’t mind it for the weight and stability of the design. For me, it checks a lot of boxes for certain weather conditions. Thanks for watching!
zpacks advantage is weight, other than that advantage its an inferior product to the hmg. hmg workmanship is superior, durability is superior, weather resistance is superior, versatility is superior. hmg is a far better tent!!!
I agree! The Ultamid is the better choice for me, for the conditions I need it for. I will continue to use the Triplex but it has become less and less. I don't mind the small weight penalty for having the versatility and a storm proof shelter. I don't think I will ever need another tent. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for this video! These were the two tents that we were torn between. It's nice to seem a direct comparison.
Glad it helped. If you have any questions, please feel free. Thanks for watching!
These tents remind me of my very first tent, especially the triplex. The triplex is a throwback to the classic A frame tent(old is new again). That old relied on a pole in the middle of each doorway to help support the tent. One thing even back then was the dam pole right in the middle of the door. Was always a hassle getting in and out. I'm 6' 3" and getting my long legs out while exiting the tent was always a challenge.
I do concede that the weight savings are significant even going up against my current tent(Nemo Dagger3).
Great observation! I didn't think of it that way, but that is a perfect comparison. Having huge side doors on the Triplex does help maneuvering compared to the "end" entrance of A frame tents. The pole is still there and every once and a while it will remind me as I'm trying to exit half asleep. Thanks for watching!
I love my Ultamid 2 with full insert. I took it on my AT hike last year. Although it weighs a bit more and is quite bulky, the space and comfort were well worth it. Every night I spread out all my gear on one side as I slept on the other. This made nighttime and morning organization unbeatable. And the tent is bombproof. No condensation issues. No wind or rain issues.
It's a great tent and I agree with you, the bulk/weight is worth the space it provides. Glad to hear it made it on the AT! I have used this tent all winter in the North East and it has worked well. Bug season is back so I will be carrying the mesh insert again. I am going to add the half insert this season and give that a try. I like messing around with gear and trying new tents but I think I have found something that works for me year round so the other tents are being sold (keeping the Triplex). The Zpacks Plex tents are hard to beat for weight but I still gravitate towards the Ultamid. Thanks for watching!
Exactly.... i like to organize my gear and cook ( careefully with a windburner on a plate) out of bug range.... in some places eg NZ you can get clouds of sandflys that drive you nuts.
Full insert also allows stargazing when used alone on nonwet nights. And even having lunch under in places like Tasmania, where you can get 6 large marsh flies dive bombing you in almost all areas in summer....
Mmm thats a big plus for me. Had trouble staying still in tasmania in summer.
If one wants to use the trek poles on a side trip dayhike, one can replace them with a stick if there is.one . Thanks to their reinforced apex.
Fly + full insert + 12 pegs. Is 1281 grams. Still light for 1 person, 600g tents are a bit crampy for myself.
Also can use fly only in snow, allows alcoves to be dug etc.
@@ouhike2 I'm thinking of selling my two person tents to get a ultramid 2. Do you think it would comfortable fit two adults plus a dog? I'm 6' tall if that helps.
I like the idea is having one tent to cover all seasons and adding the insert during rain and bug seasons.
Jeff Ozimek The Ultamid 2 alone has plenty of room for two people plus a dog. Adding the insert reduces some floor space and it may feel a little tight depending on the size of the dog and the amount of gear. This tent does not have a vestibule and most of the gear is tucked in the corners inside the tent taking up some floor space. As long as your dog is a good sleeper, I can see a medium sized dog sleeping between two people at the foot end. Hope this helps?
@@jeffozimek2178 I went with the UM4 after comparing the 2v4 in bulk and weight for same purpose (wife and golden retriever). Worth it for us 100%.
Good honest and balanced review. I like them both also.
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Great video. I found this video basically because I am looking at the Duplex and Ultamid. I really like the Ultramid. It is super expensive, but, looks like an amazing tent. Thanks for the comparison, subscribed. ✌️
Thanks! Both are excellent tents. The Ultamid gives a little more versatility for my purpose and I seem to be using it more than any other tent I own. Thanks for watching!
This was an excellent review! I just finished a simple backpacking trip in Yosemite NP and I was using my MSR Hubba 1P tent that I purchased way back in 2012. I'm much older now (70) and I've concluded that trying to enter and exit a 36" opening on my hands and knees is no fun and increasingly difficult. Then I spotted the ULTAMID 2 and noticed the pyramid shape with a tall opening, something that I can enter by just stooping a bit. I'm not thrilled with the price and heavier weight, but for the reasons just mentioned I think the roominess and tall entry will greatly improve my enjoyment of backpacking. I also really want DCF material rather than nylon.
Thank you! I love Yosemite and haven't been there in a long time. The Ultamid is easier to get in and out of especially without an insert. Certain conditions require the insert (bugs, wet etc..) but if you can use it without the insert .... I think you'd be very happy with the livability and function. The single insert does leave one side of the tent open and gives more headroom in that area. If you have any other questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer. Thanks for Watching!
@@ouhike2 Terrific, thanks so much. I think I prefer a full insert rather than a single insert, otherwise I'd feel like I was back in my Hubba 1 person tent. I'd really like to try it without an insert using just a DCF groundsheet, but only late in the season when mosquitos are less of a problem.
Thanks for sharing. I also have HMG Ultamid 2 and a Zpacks Duplex (as well as the Notch that you have seen in my Lapland series). I only have the half insert for the HMG Ultamid. It was nice to see the full insert in action. I have the RUTA LOCURA 600 Carbon Fiber Tent pole and it works out well for me. I'll have to look at your other video on the trekking pole mod. I just subscribed so that I can follow your adventures😀.
Brian, Thanks for the comment. My Ultamid has only been out twice :) but its third trip is next weekend. I am getting the RL pole but their suggestion was the 710 because this will be used all winter long (HMG marketed the Ultamid as 4 season so time will tell). Do you feel the 600 series pole can withstand snow load and 30-40mph winds or would you opt for the 710? I live in Upstate NY and it seems to me from watching your videos, we have similar weather. Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 My Ultamid 2 is also a new edition also. I have only owned it since May this year. I've only used it on 5 hikes so far and experimented with the HMG pole straps and the RUTA LOCURA 600 Carbon Fiber Tent pole. I can't say how it preforms in winter yet but I'm going to test it out in the coming season. I purchased the 600 series because that is what the European webshop (not HMG) listed as the one required for my shelter.
@@BrianOutdoors I will look forward to any feedback on that pole in winter conditions. After all, it is lighter that the 710. I need my trekking poles (snowshoeing) while using the tent as basecamp in the winter so I have to purchase the pole soon.
@@ouhike2 I think that I'm taking my Duplex on the next hike but then I'll be pitching the Ultamid after that. So I'm looking forward to using it through the winter. Will be interesting. I'll try to share what I learn.
Love the HMG stuff but they’re fundamentally insane for charging another $400 to get a floor/window system for the tent.
I agree! The prices are out of control! My Ultamid 2 with both options of double insert and single insert combined with my SW 4400 pack cost more than my first car(that doesn't even sound right). This is quality "Made In USA" gear and I prefer buying from USA manufacturers.
Seven I can’t even imagine what this tent would cost there. Are there any manufacturers there making anything similar to this tent?
@Seven I agree with you and the pyramid is the way to go.
@Seven Wow! That is steep! I think I would pass on that too and look for something cheaper.
@Seven I wonder why Dyneema isn't used in more tents there. I absolutely love the stuff and don't have any complaints. I will have to look up Bonfus (I've never heard of them but I am curious) Thanks for watching!
Really great review ty
Thanks for watching!
Can you provide update on how these are performing for you? Have you tried using the Ultamid without the insert? I plan to use mine without inserts. Thus 18 oz. use a bug net and Polycryo ground cloth.
Both tents perform perfect for my needs. My two favorite tents of all time and they both function in their own way. If you watch my winter videos, I do not use either insert with my Ultamid. I prefer no insert in the winter and as light as the insert is ... one less thin to carry. When bug season rolls around it becomes a different story. I don't leave home without the insert. Also, upstate NY is wet and muddy. The insert provides a floor and helps protect the gear. If you have specific performance questions, please let me know. For my needs, I can't think of any other tents I need. Thanks for watching!
Have you pitched the HMG on rock? Wondering how viable that tent is when dirt isn’t available. I’m concerned that a shelter like that couldn’t be held up entirely by placing rocks on top of stakes to hold them in place.
I have not pitched this tent on all rock. Here in the northeast its mostly dirt and large rock areas are few. Maybe sometime this summer I can locate a spot to test that scenario. Thanks for watching!
OUHIKE2 - thanks! I’ll reach out to HMG and get their thoughts.
Very nice review. Thanks!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
I just received my Ultamid 2. Can you please tell me how you store your tent when you aren't using it ? Thanks.
Hi! Thanks for watching and I don't do anything special with it. I make sure its clean and dry after every use and store it in the stuff sack it came with.
Very good review. Unfortunately I am in France and the HMG tent is definitely overpriced here. I hope they ll open a shop or will have a reseller in the future🤷🏻♂️
It is an expensive tent and I can only imagine what the price ends up being in other countries. For me it does have more pluses than my other tents and I find I’m gravitating to using it most of the time. I probably will be doing another review soon and focus just on this tent. There are a few things I don’t like and may be deal breakers for some (no vestibule when using double insert for example) but nothing that bothers me personally.
If you were to guess which one of these tents would have the most available air flow in a 90+ degree summer storm? I was looking at both of these tents to replace my current tent when this happens.
That's a tough one because where I live 90 degrees never happens when its time to set up camp. If we are comparing apples to apples and using the insert on the Ultamid, I would pick the Triplex for a 90 degree rain storm. I feel that having the vestibules, allows the tent to be pitched higher and in turn allowing more air flow through the tent. The fly on the Ultamid cannot be set higher than the bathtub floor or rain will get in for sure. This does keep air from flowing directly through the tent. If the Ultamid is set up without the insert then air flow would not be hampered (this is all personal preference). The doors on the Ultamid cannot be left open even in a light rain or the inside will get wet. I prefer the versatility of the Ultamid but I can see advantages with the Triplex. This is just my opinion and I have only used the Ultamid twice. Please take my info with a grain of salt as I really would like a full year with the Ultamid before I offer many opinions. Hope this helped and thanks for watching.
Have you tried the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li?
No I have not tried the Tarptent Double Rainbow but see a lot of good reviews about it.
Great review. I must have missed it..which pole do you use?
I use the Ruta Locura carbon fiber pole that is available on HMG or direct from Ruta Locura. I will use trekking poles from time to time also. Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 thank you for the reply. I could have sworn it was a black diamond trekking pole. Thank you for the videos
You are correct! For this video I did use two Alpine Carbon Cork BD trekking poles. I don’t hike with them all the time so the Ruta Locura is my other option.
Great video - thanks for sharing 😊🌲
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After using both tents for a longer period of time can you tell us which tent is better in rainy and windy weather ?
To be fair, I have not had the triplex in anything more than a mediocre storm at best. I love the Ultamid for windy wet weather and that is my tent of choice. I love the triplex for summer months when more airflow is needed. That may answer part of your question being it is easier to get a cross breeze through the tent. Most months in upstate NY, I grab the ultamid. Thanks for watching!
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Exactly what I bought. The Ultamid is the better tent for the extremes. The condensation is less than Zpacks due to the vents in the beak. There is a better constant air flow on the walls. Also the duplex/triplex cannot be fully closed, as the doors have no full zipper. If you go mountains or coast lines, extreme weather, the Ultamid is the better protective structure. I still think I may buy the single person inner for the Ultamid later on as well....another option others don't have. I wish HMG would not have ditched the top vent closures.....
I agree and the Ultamid is quickly becoming my tent of choice. I think I will buy the single insert also, a slight weight savings and just another option. This tents versatility is GREAT! I can see where the lack of vent closures may be an issue but I have found (MSR Hubba Hubba) tents without any top venting in cool/cold weather makes for more wet. At least they left the vents there.
Great review, thank you!
Do you think Zpacks would be roomy enough for two people + their packs inside, even if one person is as tall as 6'5?
Cheers,
Chris
Chris Nigul 6’5” might be pushing it but I would go with the triplex for sure because even with two people you can sleep at a slight angle which gives tall people a little extra room. Yes, packs fit in the triplex with two people on 25” wide sleeping pads. The triplex is the most room you will ever get in a tent at that weight. Hope this helped. Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 Thank you, Sir!
You would not win that much in length with Ultamid?
Chris Nigul No, I feel the Ultamid 2 w/insert would not fit 6’5” comfortably. You would be touching the bug netting on the insert. Primarily because of the pole in the center which requires sleeping fairly straight. Without the insert it would be no problem as there is more room. Also, I feel the room in the triplex is more comfortable for two with gear. There has to be some reviews of taller people who own zpacks tents? I don’t want to steer you wrong as these are very expensive purchases.
I’m also 5’11 but use a 78” quilt in the winter. Your feet looked close to the mesh on the HMG. Any issues so far with a wet foot box?
I only use the mesh insert in warmer weather when bugs are an issue. My sleeping bag does come in contact with the mesh insert but does not collect moisture from the main tent. The distance between the insert and the tent is enough to prevent any contact (as long as I'm centered and not sliding in either direction). Condensation only builds on the main tent body and in winter it usually turns into a thin layer of frost that is easily brushed off before packing the tent. Warm muggy summer nights the doors are left open and I pitched the tent higher to encourage as much air flow as possible. Hope this answered your question ... Thanks for watching!
@@ouhike2 - thanks. I've been looking at both these tents for a while. We are currently using the Copper Spur HV UL3 - weighing in at 70 ounces with the ground sheet. After adding stakes to the weight of the HMG, the Ultamid would save us about 25 ounces, which is significant, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to spend $1,140 for 25 ounces. The triplex seems to make more sense from a weight savings and cost perspective, but lacks the versatility and other features you mentioned...I guess this is why we are still carrying the Big Agnes.
@@BacktotheOutdoors Gear is so subjective and its easy to get sucked in to saving weight when its not the most practical avenue to take. I have never used a Copper Spur HV UL3 and cannot comment but the reviews are amazing and speak volumes. I like Dyneema gear! Not only does it save weight its the advantages for what I use it for that shines. The Triplex does make more sense for weight savings and I will continue to use it for warm weather and when big storms are not in the forecast. I lean on the HMG because, like you said, its versatility is what sets it apart. This tent works year round and with the option of single or double insert ... no insert for winter ... For me, this tent works and I don't know if I would spend $1,140 to save 25oz unless I was doing long trails ... I like comfort and don't mind carrying a little extra if it works. Thanks for watching!
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the pole in the way in the center of the ultimate is a deal breaker tor me.
I agree, it can be a little bit of a nuisance. I really don’t mind it for the weight and stability of the design. For me, it checks a lot of boxes for certain weather conditions. Thanks for watching!
zpacks advantage is weight, other than that advantage its an inferior product to the hmg. hmg workmanship is superior, durability is superior, weather resistance is superior, versatility is superior. hmg is a far better tent!!!
I agree! The Ultamid is the better choice for me, for the conditions I need it for. I will continue to use the Triplex but it has become less and less. I don't mind the small weight penalty for having the versatility and a storm proof shelter. I don't think I will ever need another tent. Thanks for watching!