The Beta Maps of Pokemon Gold and Silver PART 2 | Pokemon Cut Content
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2022
- In 1998, Pokemon Gold and Silver development started over by replacing the full map of Japan with Johto and Kanto. Even so, the locations were still very different from the final games. Today we explore these Beta Maps of Johto.
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Makes me wish we could get a reboot of Johto that adds more to the towns, routes, add back scrapped locations, etc, and puts back the Japanese cultural stuff.
They already rebooted Johto once.
@@DawnLynnCat Sprite updates aren’t reboots. I’m talking like how modern games have larger cities and 3D environments. Reboots are different from sprite updates. By reboot I mean like a reimagined Johto and not just better graphics and some new features slapped over it like HeartGold and Soul Silver were pretty much.
@@DumuziTheOriginalGod It added new routes and a Safari Zone.
@@DawnLynnCat Which isn’t much based on what I’m saying. What I am wishing for is a major reboot and not just the small things HGSS did. Not to mention HGSS is a DS game, which is very old now so it isn’t really relevant. Also FRLG didn’t prevent Gamefreak from making Let’s Go so there is that. Although by reboot I mean modern games like Legends Arceus level of hugeness but with obviously more towns and modern things.
I believe a better way to express that is "reimagined" as it doesn't have to follow the original games design but only its story, thus we could get massive locations.
0:38 This is actually a common misconception. While Iwata did give GameFreak a compression tool, it didn't actually save space--in fact, it cost a little bit of space. What it actually did was speed up the decompression to make battles start faster. In fact, he gave them what was basically the same compression algorithm he used on the Gameboy Kirby game (LZ-19).
The reason they were able to fit Kanto is because they were working with larger ROMs--1MB for Gold/Silver vs 500kb for Red/Blue (Crystal is 2MB).
If you're interested in learning more, I go into great detail in a reddit post including a spreadsheet comparing the two compression algorithms. Can't post the link here, but I'd be happy to share with you!
It's most likely that Lugia was not implemented in these early builds, hence the absence of the normal Burned Tower and Whirl Islands. It's very well documented that Lugia was created by the lead writer of the anime/movies to serve solely as the main legendary of "Pokemon 2000/The Power of One." It didn't get added to the game until the late stages because Lugia wasn't even created by Game Freak.
Ok
Indeed, I have spoken about it further in previous videos too if you wanna check out Part 2 of my Cut Pokemon of Gen 2 video.
I wish we got a version of Johto with these cut beta areas.
Fuck yeah
@@sorasong9708 I wish we get a version of your momma when she was young
If you enjoy this video please give it a thumbs up! Part 3 should be coming soon to wrap the Beta Map series of Gold and Silver
UPDATE NOTES:
- Route 37, Route 39, and Route 40 maps are accidently swapped
Route 39 as well at 14:37
@@SuperGoker64 Thanks. Updated the notes.
This was a day late.
Route 26 is swapped as well.
@@ExeTheEnhanced Unless it really isn't.
Oh man I love Johto because of the towers and Japanese architecture, but I would have loved it even more if it had some of those extra towers and Japanese style houses, especially the original Cherrygrove TT
I imagine if this game was made in modern day, we'd see it with more Japanese architecture since they do actually make the regions now look like where they are rather than the neutral looks they went with back then.
@@TheObsessiveGamer Yeah for sure! HGSS had a bit of that for sure, but I would definitely love to see Johto depicted more like actually being in Gion (Kyoto), Nara, etc.
Was not disappointed, so nostalgic watching this kind of stuff
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Very interesting stuff. I would love if they maintained the Japanese style of some houses, it would have put more personality to the game itself IMO. The original idea to cover all Japan regions was VERY ambitious by that time, but nowadays I would love to have a reboot of Gold and Silver like that, maintaining all the best of the 3 versions of development + the new regions (including Hoenn and Sinnoh).
I would hope if we do get a game like "Legends" for Johto that it would be alot like that especially.
Lugia was created in late 1998 exclusively for the second Pokemon movie so it is likely it was not Silver's mascot at that point hence no whirl islands. I theorize that Silver's original mascot was one of the legendary dogs we saw in the 97 build.
I'm surprised there were so few caves! And no ice area. I'm glad it was changed. I really liked how the walkway to Mr. Pokemon's house looked.
The 1998 version of Route 32 Map does kinda look like an unfinished version of Hoenn's Route 110.
Oh damn I didn't even notice yet picked the 110 coincidentially lol
Thank you for this series! It's always fun seeing cut content from games.
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I think they cut and toned down the other Japanese structures not for worldwide appeal but to make Ecruteak more unique. After all, Ecruteak is VERY Japanese, it's kind of its whole thing. If every other town had those elements to them then Ecruteak becomes less distinct and therefore less memorable. So they toned down the building exteriors to still give a hint of traditional Japanese buildings (certain interiors, like those in Azalea, are also rather traditional in the Japanese architecture, further discrediting the theory they were removing Japanese elements for overseas) while still leaving the more distinctive architecture to Ecruteak to give it some more identity.
After all, there isn't that much traditional architecture in our real world Japan's big cities, either lol. It's pretty modern and western-oriented. They could still have used some traditional architecture for rural villages, though.
But I agree with your theory about Ecruteak. It's design is fascinating precisely because it's unique in the game.
We could have had some crazy adventures in this version. Still do agree that cutting down to a region probably improved the game
Your content is always entertaining and this video was totally worth the wait!
Fuck and thank you
I love this stuff. Another fantastic video, ObsessiveGamer
How the heck did I miss this being posted?! Gotta get cozy with my popcorn for this!
Thanks for displaying these in an easy to digest manner. :)
Awesome analysis. I love your reasoning behind GF's changes between final and bets.
Finally part 2, going to enjoy this
I really enjoyed this video. Didnt want it to end.
Well we got a Part 3 coming :D
Yes, my favorite TH-camr is back with more Pokemon goodness!
Nice videos! Your accent is super cute!! Love the annunciation and vocabulary used. Makes all of your content even more enjoyable!!!😍🔥👌🏽
I have to agree that it was a huge misstep to modernize the maps for International audiences. The distinctively japanese-styled houses would have given this game a more authentic athmosphere compared to the modernized Kanto in the latter half of the game and would have ingrained this region even more into the memory of its players. I can only imagine what fascinating lore they would have added to those places since "Ecruteak City" was also the place with the most "lore" in the final game.
But that is Pokémon in a nutshell: A lot of missed opportunities.
Iwata was responsible for increasing performance in battles via a new compression algorithm. He had nothing to do with adding Kanto to the game. That was achieved by switching to a bigger ROM size.
This video sustains my intense autistic interest in Pokémon cut content, thank you sir, this is very thorough
And i'll plan to keep making more!
This was really cool, couldn't watch it live because I had a lot of stuff to do, but I really wanted to. Still, awesome! I loved it!
Yeah I wanted to watch it live too, because I have nothing better to do in life and it's so important to be the first who sees the video!
@@timurkral3781 I really was looking forward to this video for a couple days, as this is one of my fav pokemon-related subjects. So, yeah? Watching movies or videos or playing games you're looking forward to is important if it makes you happy. I was planning to sit and calmly watch this and my boiler failed and I had an awful, stressful afternoon instead of sitting and watching a video I was looking forward, the only free day I get all week long.
Literally the only important things in life are the ones that make you happy so I feel your reply is uncalled for, but I hope you had a better Sunday than mine, and that you enjoyed the video as much as I did.
@@RoseBleueDuRosierSec Always can catch next one I say or even just wait after when it is officially not live to watch. Nothing wrong with either options
@@TheObsessiveGamer Looking forward to your next videos
@@RoseBleueDuRosierSec better start looking backwards
The Haunted House is in a similar location to where Giovani's Hideout /Cave was in HGSS.
Back at it again, I see! 👀
This was beautiful.
After looking into some maps....some of V2 got in HG/SS, like R46. I've seen one more...but can't remember now. Interesting that they looked at what they've made 10 years prior and out it into the remakes.
Oh, yeah, the second one is the route South of Ekruteak (sorry idk how to write it).
14:42 that olivine lighthouse's design is killing me lmao idk why it looks so funny
Great video, thanks!
Thanks!
great video!
I get this feeling that maybe Lugia's tower was that one at the lake of rage instead of being in a town.
So Many memories, so Many good times.
Fascinating
May itwata rip he was a good man
He really did so much for Nintendo and gaming as a whole
I love how the people in charge felt that their first drafts were too Japanese for the greater public. What's hilarious is that the NPC's were more Asian looking for the Korean and Japanese versions lol
Underrated channel.
A big thanks there :)
I do prefer the final map, but I wish they would've kept all the Japanese architecture. It looked nice.
Amazing
The "wasn't enough room" rumor about Kanto is false. The compression algorithm cost more ROM space than it saved.
Not as false as you think. Every game needs compression normally to fit a cart. Problem was the GameFreaks compressor wasn't good enough, so Iwata made a better one that can compress even if the compressor itself was larger, it still compressed at a better rate to make it doable.
@@TheObsessiveGamer the entire normal game we know as Gen 2 fit onto a normal cart without the compression algorithm.
@@threehead99 It used the compression algorithm that Iwata. made to make that work, otherwise it would be unnessessary
@@TheObsessiveGamer that's my entire point. Rom hackers have shown, and even interviews with employees have said, that the compression algorithm was unnecessary to fit kanto into the final game.
@@threehead99 and can I see a source for that? Cause as I understand the compression algo from directly their interview which I linked in the description of this video states how important it was. Plus as I understand it was made so that it can read compression at a faster rate and thus overall compress better
I didnt know that it was Japan!
Yep! If you watch Part 1 you can see how closely it especially mimics Japan
I did.
Map Dev: *makes route*
Lead Dev: make it more complex
Map Dev: *revises route*
Lead Dev: GO BACK
But this 05/06/98 is a playable rom or only files obtained in some odd way?
At 20:33 Beta and Final are swapped I think
Weird fact. I actually had a deja vu dream where there was a town in lake of rage as a kid I never got over with. This demo alone actually proves I was right xD i remember the lake it was surrounded by houses
Idk why I remember it as a dream coz I never played the demo
Another weird fact is that the demo Hoppip was in a pc emulated game of GS as a child. Idk where the pc now tho...,
It was very weird.
The text had weird english.
Foe DUDE appeared! (Means Geodude)
I couldn't put anymore letters in more than 5-6 so they tried to shove everything in 5 letters too.
Do you have any plans to do more cut zelda content?
Yep. Just on a bit of a break now after doing it for so long. Should be back with Wind Waker Cut Content sooner or later
Any idea on the source for the very first piece of artwork?
What artwork you mean specifically?
@@TheObsessiveGamer almost looked like an add beautiful art of lugia tyranitar etc
@@giligan1004 ohh that. It was from a big poster that also features Ho-oh at the top too. One of the few official poster sized art of the game
0:08
Since this was originally all over Japan, doesn’t that mean we kinda have areas of what would become Hoen and Sinnoh?
12:48 i think you got the 2 maps the wrong way around.
the map on the left is the map used in the final game.
Yep, I made a note of that within the pinned comment. Thanks for bringing it up.
also that house on the far left of Goldenrod city, was added back into the games.... just in heart gold and soul silver, which served as a place to play sports based mini games with your pokemon, called the triathlon.
the mini games includes jumping, hurdles and sprints etc.
I wish they left the Japanese Castle in the game. :(
Yes 👍❤️
This is gonna be good..too bad the new games don't have cool cut content like the old gamez
Hard to have cut content when they release the beta version and patch it as they go.
And mystery to them as well
I felt Sword and Shield still had some neat Cut Content when I did that video on it and saw how different its maps once looked, but overall I agree the older games had a lot more
They're still good anyway.
20:33 you mixed these up
anyone else STRONGLY prefer the cut version of Gen 2? these designs are amazing, and we got an overly simplified and color coded layout of towns lol
18:55 Green Hill -Zone- Town
then they tried to go for a big world but they were limited on what the gameboy could do... now they almost have no limitations but we have eight cities with three houses each. small routes with three trainers. almost nothing to exlpore... really shows what garbage shield and sword are... they're not even trying anymore.
You should have had this video ready yesterday when I turned 30.
Sorry I tried my best lol just needed a little more time in the oven
@@TheObsessiveGamer I suppose better late than never.
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