This efficiency report is most welcome. I got the Model Y standard range because it was $3000 cheaper than the long range and I do 95% of my charging at home with a Level 2 charger. My net cost is very low because I usually have surplus production from my home solar system). I average around 50 miles of driving per day. On road trips I like to stop around every 200 miles or so to stretch and take a restroom break (if you’re over 70 years old like me I’m sure you’ll understand), so the supercharger network perfectly meets my needs. Please forgive the humble brag 😂
I like long roadtrips on the weekend so I went with the long range. Otherwise the standard is perfect. I stop every couple hours for breaks too lol why hold it 😂
I just got my 2023 MYP, I use it everyday, I charge it in my garage and never really pay attention how efficient it is. I all I know is I never have to pull over gas station.
Isn’t that a great feeling? It’s been five years since I’ve used gas or paid for an oil change. Then when you get solar and realize you’re powering your car with the sun, it’s again another great feeling.
Got my MYP a few weeks ago and love it to bits, cant be happier!! Now i know its super efficient as well gives me an even bigger smile when im driving it!! Thanks Sam, keep up the good work my friend and all the best to your boys and your lovely wife
The reason 4 wheel drive cars are usually less efficient is because of all the extra transmission gear. A 4WD Tesla had 2 motors, so no additional transmission stuff. And the opportunity to better balance front/rear power. So better efficiency. The 4WD TM3 has 2 motors but the efficiency is less, but only because it’s optimized for power more than efficiency. And I looooove it!
Tesla is a few things away from being undeniably the best car for its money. 1. Improvements on the headlights and the wipers - headlights will probably get better with the Highlander and I secretly hope the wipers get fixed too; 2. Tesla REALLY NEEDS HEAD-UP DISPLAY. Those are inexpensive and give you everything you need as the most essential info. It's also a fix for the people complaining of "just 1 screen in the middle", "its safety hazard," and so on. 3. Vented seats - it's that simple. 4. Bring up the quality inspection. That's all you need to get Tesla on N1 without any dispute.
It's true, my Model Y Performance actually gets close to 4 miles per kilowatt. If I run A/C which is often in FL it goes up to 275W per mile. I drive moderately but not slow. This is in suburban driving with 2 minute stoplights. My gas VW Tiguan car struggles to get 20 mpg. Waiting to see what it does on freeway driving as I only have 1000 miles so far and haven't seen a super charger yet. I love 1 pedal driving!
Viking, I Love your content! Thanks. FYI the BTD Atto 3 regen brakes are not 1 pedal. It is a more conventional feel system. It starts when you let off the accelerator, and the first push on the brake pedal uses regen to slow down, then if you need to push the hold further down to come to a complete stop with little use of brake pads. You can see how much the regen is putting back into the batteries on the screen above the steering wheel. My Atto 3 is very efficient with energy. According to your chart, my efficiency is just under Tesla and better than the other brands. Thanks again.
He said the Atto 3 does not have 1 pedal driving. You need to rewatch the video around the 5.59 mark. I thought he sold his grey Atto 3 within a month of taking delivery to help fund his wife's cancer treatment? He hasn't done any videos of his Atto 3 experience as an owner like he said he would if he does indeed still own it, so I would say he is talking BS about owning an Ev.
Audi etron isn't based on MEB platform but the Q4 is. The comfort of the air suspension in an etron is worth the inefficient driving, never mind all the other nice aspects of an etron.
The Atto 3 uses extra regen when applying the brakes for braking before it engages the brakes. You can see this in the regen number on the heads up display when applying brake
we did a 24 hour test drive of a Y and were instantly sold on it- LOTS of room in there, more than I expected. haven't been in any other EV besides our Y so can't compare.
i tested ionic and kia for weeks, was sold on the tesla the second day, got a Y long range from berlin, excpected panel gaps etc but it's perfect, no issues. the efficiency and space and power and and and.... i love it so much. i charge it once a week, saturday or sunday depending on the sun. it even cost's significantly less than the others if you want 4 wheel drive.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl i got my LR Y aug 21, 20k miles on it now. Hard on tires...but so was my outback and other AWD vehicles. Elec cost is 1/5 what the outback cost in gas. rides a bit harsher than I'd like but many cars do these days. I work from home so the wife gets to drive it daily, I get maybe a drive every couple of weeks. My 'daily ride' is a van and I put less than 4k on it per year. I really want a cyber truck...waiting to see how it plays out.
You did let out the most important thing regarding the efficiancy: the mach-e shelby stripes! tht car is definitaly the most efficient with carbon mirror coverings :D
just a small comment: pressing the brake pedal doesnt direct means that you using the brakes (it first uses regen braking ) only if you press really hard that it uses the brakes. you can achieve same or even better results if youre just diving smoothdly
Use of the brake pedal can electronically activate more regen and then blend in friction brakes only when needed in addition to the regen braking. Ideally, you would use rolling resistance and aerodrag to provide most of your "braking" by coasting (slowing of your vehicle) engaging the regen as needed to slow faster than coasting can accomplish (by backing off further on the accel pedal or pushing on the brake pedal). Friction brakes are still available to be engaged electronically just by backing off the accel pedal (for single pedal driving) or pushing on the brake pedal (more "normal" 2-pedal driving). The point is that a single pedal can be used to provide/emulate electronically the same functionality of 2-pedal driving by incorporating a coast range on the accel pedal when backing off the accel pedal. I believe the above "coast" functionality is why Tesla is adding the lighter regen selection to try to provide for even greater optional efficiency. Electronic Emergency Braking may also eventually eliminate any need for the separate brake pedal altogether.
I have no problem with Tesla. It's interesting to note that the Edmunds comparison of the Model Y and Chevy Bolt EUV showed that Tesla's EPA #s were inflated, where the Bolt's were conservative, making the Bolt as efficient as the model Y. Over the past 1,000 kms in western Canada, my '23 Bolt EUV has averaged 13.0kw/100kms (4.77miles/kwh), and is getting more efficient as the weather gets warmer. The Teslas with heat pumps are WAY more efficient in the winter than the Bolt. The EPA number for my Bolt is 3.448276 mi/kWh (29 kWh/100mi)
My ioniq 6 gets between 3.3-5 miles/kw average depending on whether I'm going 65+ mph or under 65 mph. And that's with the 20in wheels! I'm planning on switching to 18in. Excited to see what I get then.
Cannot call the ioniq 6 (even not the 5) a SUV. The title is : Most efficient SUV. And the original ioniq (2016-2017) is even more efficient (and smaller) than the ioniq 6 and even better than model 3 (My ioniq 5 project 45 AWD has an average usage over 1,5 years driving, 2 winters and one summer, of 190 wh/km (304 wh/mile) This including pulling a trailer (750 kg max) for more than 10% of all km .) At 8:55 Sam tells that the 2019Y uses 250Wh /mile...In summer, driving 100 km/h (62 miles/H ) also I uses only 255 wh/mile (160 wh/km) on average with the ioniq 5....depending on wind even less than 250 wh/mile.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl There is no reason that in the mountains an EV uses more wh/mile than om highway...Contrary ...it should be less because in mountains we drive usually slower which means less drag. The energy you uses to climb will be regenerated when going down.
The Audi Etron is NOT an MEB platform car thats the Audi Q4 Etron. In Europe independent range tests show the Tesla Model Y at 3.8mls per kw/h and the Audi Q4 etron is 3.4mls per kw/h so it depends on who tests and getting the correct car compared.
i absolutely love my Y LR, but a pickup is not really comparable, you have to find out what you need/want. the Y has insane cargo space, it has everything i can think of really.
I adore my Tesla model Y, but I don’t need a car this big , Elon Musk hinted there is a smaller car in his plans, if it is a sedan model 3 I will skip it, if it is a smaller SUV I will trade my model Y for this smaller version of perfection
Yes that car will is to be made in the new Mexico factory. I think it will sell for about $US25 000. Expect to see the first one about June next year. I guess Corolla size one motor LFP battery 250 mile range.
I still say my Zoe is more efficient than all of those cars, (but not your skateboard), averaging more than 5 miles per kWh, after 2 years of driving it. It costs me about 1.5p per mile, or 1p per kilometre, on electricity costing 8.25p per kWh. But there are at least two car models which can obtain about 10 miles per kWh.
i have a tesla model 3 standard, my daughter in law has a vw id4pro, we both charge at home 110 volts. she gets 3 miles per hour and i get 5 miles per hour.
@chaliegub Just a general observation about rapidly developing battery tech. Have current EV car designers put any thought into upgrading existing batteries to much longer range/lighter /low cost batteries in the future ? Surely such an ability would be a very positive selling trait for current vehicles. Many buyers would take the EV plunge if they did not have the perception that their EV vehicles were going to be range obsolete quite quickly. Some questions arising. Would structural batteries make this difficult? Can battery management hardware/software cope with the changes needed? Longer term would this be disruptive or enhancing for EV uptake?
As a Tesla shareholder (450 so far) & loving nice cars, I can say I wish the model Y would have the same passenger interior width, quality, materials & finish. The front seats in the model Y are too narrow; the backseat seating and back support look and feel like a US entry market car from the early 00s. Just look at the fold-down armrest in the back and compare that to the one in a Volvo XC60 or Xpeng G9. And the luggage cover and all the luggage stored in the model Y, what happens to it if the car is involved in a higher, multi-impact car crash, especially if it rolls or spins? I haven’t even seen anchor points for a luggage separator net or metal bar/grid-style separator. And then there is the ride comfort, still being my No. 1 problem with the Model Y, and yes, even after the recent suspension/damper upgrades. And yes, I have driven both the MY and, a couple of weeks ago, the Q8 etron 50 which has the same TCO as a model Y, ID4, etc. on a 36-month company car lease (operational lease).
Road use tax has to come from somewhere to maintain the roads. I pay $140/year EV tax for road use in my registration . Road use tax per gallon is about $0.36/gallon. If the average driver travels 12k miles per year, the amount you pay is about equal to a vehicle that gets 30 mpg. All in all, it is pretty fair.
It’s not fair. Weight/mile tax is fair, if we really want to pay for use. But why pay for use? Use taxes are regressive. Let’s all chip in for a public good with a progressive tax that slides with our ability to pay, and use it to fund roads and public transportation. Fuel taxes are doing their jobs: making us squabble over the wrong problem.
I think the road tax is fair and reasonable. Every state has to come up with how they will handle. Definitely not ridiculous. May be too high or low, but talk facts, in any argument. No one likes taxes but we want roads and bridges maintained
@@stevetaylorftw when you cannot collect a "fuel" tax on an EV do they just get a free lunch? EV's use the same roads. Fuel taxes are supposed to be used for road projects and maintenance. If you base an equivalent or close to tax for an EV it is just fair. Weight/mile would be too hard to enforce. Fuel taxes somewhat take that into account inherently as a heavier vehicle is generally going to be less fuel efficient and will require more gallons through the year. EV's are generally way more efficient than their ICE counterparts, but if you go by the laws of averages, it breaks out to being pretty fair. The average driver travels 12,000-13,000 per year in a vehicle. Take that average of 12,000 and the CAFE standard of 28 mpg and you get about 429 gallons. Each states gas tax varies, however in my state it is $.36/g. 429 gal. x $0.36=$154.
The I Pace is still an excellent vehicle with a bit of catching up to do in batteries and charging. Jaguar is putting so much of their R&D money into Formula E racing and are going very well. Keep an eye out for their next generation.🤔
I have no problem with Tesla. It's interesting to note that the Edmunds comparison of the Model Y and Chevy Bolt EUV showed that Tesla's EPA #s were inflated, where the Bolt's were conservative, making the Bolt as efficient as the model Y.
It's shocking to see how miss informed many are still about Tesla and how this Media rampage against tesla damages our progress and lifestyle. There is no car out there for the same price with same options, space, efficiency, charging speed and more than a Tesla Y. I don't feel sorry for people who buy a subpar EV for more money, it's on them.
I’ve driven every car. Every EV available in US and I just bought a ioniq 5. It’s really efficient. I get on avg around 3.6-4.2 miles per kw. (With mixed use of city and highway) I have the awd version. Didn’t want M3 or MY. I am waiting on cybertruck. Elon has to give us updated specs and pricing.
I don't think Ev owners lose any sleep, Cris, with their non Tesla Ev purchase. So long as they are happy with their purchase is all that really matters.
Aptera if it is ever to be is 10 miles per kwh. But you would need two of them to transport 4 people; so $55k to buy 2 so 5 miles per kwh is still better than 4 but the extra investment and two times everything does not make sense.
The RWD model Y is actually more efficient at 167wh/km vs 172 for the Long range AWD And the kona electric is listed as 157wh/km on ev database Doesn't change my mind about getting a model Y RWD though
It's still in the suv class Either way the statement that the AWD Y is most efficient is straight up false even in their own lineup with the RWD Y being more efficient
I´m driving a MY now for about half a year. In winter I needed 20.2 kWh/100 km average with many short distances of about 3 km only (= heating as a main consumer) and several (German) Autobahn - trips of 200 km each with 125 - 130 km/hr. Non-Tesla rims with winter tires. Then I changed the wheels, now 19" standard (aero-) wheels with summer tires and on a 350 km trip on overland roads (67 km/hr average, max. speed 100 km/hr) I had 13.2 kWh/100km consumption. Looking forward to my next Autobahn trips in warmer weather and with summer tires! 🙂
That 350km trip of yours seems similar to the trip to our cabin and back (190km each way, typical average speed about the same as yours). In our Model S we're hard pressed to get much lower than 180Wh/km; in the Ampera-e I've managed about 130-135Wh/km one way in favourable conditions. That the far larger MY reaches that sort of consumption is pretty good!
One up from the electric skateboard is a Nissan Leaf in which I achieve a 4.7 miles/ KWh (reduced post winter) by modifying my driving approach. There is a reason we are shifting to EV's and efficiency and longevity should be more important measures. EV's should be built to last 20 years not 10.
IFTA - I worked on a small part of International Fuel Tax Agreement scheme/project. Originally/mostly for over the road tax collection by miles driven per 'state'/etc. I would be willing to bet similar tax scheme will be what is done for ICE vehicles. Tax per mile is probably the future. And each road you drive on gets some of the tax you pay. So, if a town get driven THROUGH, a LOT... they might need and get more road repair tax dollars/funding. kind of make sense.
What makes you think the brake pedal doesn't use regen? I'm 99% sure my outlander does. It has a charge/discharge indicator and it swings to charge when the brake is lightly pressed. It obviously uses the pads when pressed hard, coming to a stop or when the SOC is %100.
All we really need is somewhere between the E-skateboard and a small family car, but what "we" actually buy is a massive SUV with 7 seats and enough headroom for our egos.
just watched a news article about a person that bought a volvo EV to commute 110km each way and the advertised range was a lot less than real world driving can't understand why they would buy an EV from a 2nd rate manufacturer and not a Tesla
Either lack of knowledge or real cult like behavior. FUDsters accuse people like me of being in the Tesla cult. I just want the safest and best value electric vehicle and that's a Tesla. Not my fault no other manufacturer is serious about EVs and offers a compelling product.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 I've got the claimed mileage from all models hyundai I drove (in summer driving including usage of airco when needed) with ca 100 km/h fdriving (which is the maximum allowed speed in my country). When I have perfect conditions I'll use even less than the wltp rabge for those cars. It's not only tesla who gave a real estimated range (when driving normal). In winter ALL cars, not only EV's do use a lot more energy for driving. With zero to 5 degrees I reach up to 85% of the wltp range (365 km) including using the heatpump with bad wet weather...with the same temperature but dry I'll reach 380 -390 km.
@@reiniernn9071 My Model 3 users alot less than the rated kWh/km in the summer, but alot more in the winter. It averages out to the rating. My Model 3 is a 2018 so I don't have a heat pump :(
Sam, when you hit the brakes on your old Atto 3 you weren't invoking the friction brakes. One pedal driving isn't more *efficient*, allowing a car to coast is the most efficient way to travel, in terms of km per kWh consumed. Tesla's engineers are definitely over achieving in this space.
Once electricity becomes the mandated fuel, watch the price go up. Just like with gas and diesel, efficiency will become the biggest factor determining the cost per mile. Electric is cheap now but I remember when gas was 24 cents a gallon. $1 per kWH could be a thing in ten years. It’s already 40 cents in Southern California at peak hours.
The sun's going to be around a long time. And it shines everywhere on the earth that people live in large numbers. There is no nuclear reactor that man is going to build that will come anywhere close to its size and power. We don't need nuclear energy, we have had it in the sky from before we evolved.
... and my old 2018 Hyundai Ioniq EV does 5.5 - 6 miles/kWh in the summer and 4.2 in the winter... I'm waiting patiently to buy a newer EV with the same or better efficiency AND the ability to tow a trailer but I think I will have to wait for years
I like teslas and agree they're probably overall the best available, but, I do agree they're a little generic in looks. Every model does look very much like every other. And the interiors are not interesting at all. I can't buy a car where all control is via the screen. I have an Atto 3 and I really appreciate the physical buttons. Also I don't want a car with a white or cream interior and the black is not interesting at all. I'm not a fan of brand aggression so I love my BYD but also like and appreciate many other brands. I will definitely consider a Tesla in the future when they offer slightly more premium options.
To sell a vehicle in the US manufacturers are required to have 3 mirrors. Sides and inside. However you can have them removed or modified if your state permits it. The manufacturer can put the required 3, but design it to be removed easily. Asking for new legislation on a federal level is just not going to happen, not any time soon. Even states have more pressing matters to deal with than legislating car mirrors.
@@williamgrunzweig571 I’m in Europe, I was thinking of the EU Regs, but yes, same here as in North America. It’s why I said it’s about time the regs caught up with technology.
I don't care directly about EV efficiency. When it costs just $6000 to fuel a very inefficient BEV (Lightning) driven without any concern for efficiency over 100,000 miles - I think this position makes sense. And even though I don't particularly care about range either (230 miles) - if I did I'd say I'm making terrible use of my 100 kwh battery pack.
I would have thought that the equivalent Model 3 would be more efficient given the 3 is lower and lighter than the Y, as reflected in performance figures.
weight is not much of a thing in ev's as it used to be for ice cars. first you have regen which equals out the weight significantly in terms of efficiency, second the weight is at the very bottom, which is a huge bonus, if that weight would be as high as a combustion engine used to be it would be a nightmare. plus the weight is now distribuited perfectly, an egnineers dream has come true in that regard. so, less weight is still better but it is far from what it used to mean in cars.
The lower the car has nothing to do with drag. The TESLA SEMI has a better drag coefficient as the Bugatti Chiron. The shape of how the car moves through the air and displaces it is the better measurement.
Not a complete comparing..... A lower car has less frontal surface. And with that less drag than the same model car which is higher. But it is not the only parameter which counts for the drag. CW is also important (shape of the car). And speed can change the CW value, CW is not constant as many people think, has something to do with the airflow around the car and at what point the airflow leaves the surface....the faster you drive the earlier the flow leaves the surface (with the same model)
Just a note, Audi E-Tron and VW Id4 does not use the same platform, unless you are talking about E-Tron Q4. And in this case talking about bad efficiency of the Audi, I think you're not. ;)
Meanwhile, Tesla just _raised_ the prices of the Model Y Standard and Long range here in Denmark by about $1500. Now there's only a $2000 difference up to the Performance. That's about the cost of a set of 21" rims.
Hi Sam - I agree what is the real measure of a new car these days? We should stop measuring cars in the old 'fuel type' (including Kila wasps or 0-100 times) petrol head languages, and create some more realistic measure to compare apples with apples, or fruit for you. For example - went to the launch of the new Fiat 500e in Adelaide tonight. Well guess what, while its blah blah blah so called average cycle score is about 290- 300kms, its actual city score (including regenerative braking) is over 400km ~ 418 to be precise. So how do you score a car designed for city driving (stop start traffic), with a car designed for B roads or worse autobahns? Yes good question i hear you say. That's right people will bag the little 500e for all sorts of antiquated reasons, but you are right, its way more 'efficient' in its element than the big heavy cars with much bigger battery's - that do look good on paper or the open road. So don't believe these so called ''efficiency scores" before you decide what you want the car for - i.e. most of the time. If its city driving, and lets face it the majority of people around the world live in big cities, then throw out these so called average 'road scores' for real 'use case' efficiency scores... For your consideration...
Weight of any EV or hybrids is not the most important factor for energy usage in city. Yes , it takes more energy for accelerating....but when we must brake we get a lot of that energy back in the battery (up to 75-80%) Assuming that the regeneration really works fine as in my ioniq 5. For any ICE it is (accelerating uses petrol, braking is generating heat) And remember...a longer car has on average a lower CW ...lower air resistance as light short cars. (Model 3, ioniq and ioniq 6 vs fiat 500E) And even when someone uses the car often in the city...one trip outside the city is often more mileage than all short trips together in the city. Only for a second car I assume it's usefull to view the city usage as most important.
@@reiniernn9071 Yes, exactly my point. My wife and I have our Tesla - Model 3 (RWD) arriving on Saturday as our primary car. The Fiat 500e would be used as the city car. FYI - The 500e wont be sold in Australia until Sep 23, so we have to wait until then to test drive it - then decide. As Sam frequently says - all these non Tesla / BYD manufacturers are only making so called small batches - so even if we test drive and order in Sep 23, we might not get one until Xmas.
Was it not you who said Tesla designs were in need of updating?That CATL batteries were a superior design, the price point and performance levels of these Chinese products were superior, was the impression I was left with I mean they are in 3rd place in China correct?
After watching this Tesla stock jumped from $159 to $160, Viking you are single handedly driving Tesla stock values to new heights, The Fan Boys want to see $750, you can do it.
The id4 is bad, but the E-Tron is horrendous. My Model 3 is much better performing, but it has the same efficiency my our smaller and less well performing BMW i3. Pretty amazing.
Mercedes EV’s are so inefficient it’s going to massively affect your high speed charging because they need a huge battery to get the range above 300 miles. So you will have to put 50%-70% more electricity in when your at the halfway way point of a 500 mile drive.
My Ioniq 38 (like other Ioniq 38s) regularly gets between 5.5 and 6.5 miles per kWh. This is common knowledge. So why is Tesla so amazing? Are you not aware of this fact?
The biggest risk for the EV ist the greed of the charging Station owners. In Europe its way to expensive If you dont have your own charging Station... In charged Yesterday 250 km for 35€.... At suc... That ist insane. At non tesla i would have paied 40€...
a leaf is not an suv should have 291wh/mile on highway, Y should have 267wh/mile on highway i dont know about this miles stuff my Y LR uses 160wh/km and i live in the mountains.
Rivian recommends daily charge limit of 80% right? I wish e v's would be more accurate when touting range. Rivian should note average range at recommended daily charge limit. Tesla too 😂 saying my 21 m3 lr gets 348 Miles is an average lie.
all this numbers are somewhat flawed, it depends how its calculated, is heating cooling included or is it just for the moving the car, how are losses calculated, do you really empty an ev to see the range ever? no there are iron fosfate batteries in the cheapest version, those can charge to 100% all the time, but this all changes nothing really at the end of the day. all ev's are efficient compared to ice cars, even a e-tron :D
@John Smith I'm with you. In my cars case it'd be more realistic to have sold it with a 300 average usable miles. As you said dead of winter road trip range is closer to 220. Definitely challenging.
04:36 I had to stop the video there because I'd just spat my drink all over my desk. This is BS. The Original Audi Etron had awful range and was not based on the MEB platform. The Audi Q4 Etron (also shown in the same frame) is a completely different vehicle. It is based on the MEB platform and compares with the ID4. Don't mislead your viewers.
Q4 and Q5 are based on MEB. "e-tron" as a term is a bit too generic now, as they've used it on all their BEVs. Some are based on the ICE-based MLB and MQB platforms (Q8, Q2L, ...)
It's hard to really compare the efficiency of an EV to an ICE car because that depends less on the efficiency of the EV but the efficiency of the generator. If we try to take an average diesel or petrol generator then a gallon of fuel makes 12 kwh and so the Model Y is 48 mpg. The more basic models of the Y can get to equivalent of 55 mpg - on the level of the much smaller Prius but with a sacrifice of some range. It's off course very good for an SUV vehicle but not something that crazy. The other big EVs look very bad if they indeed do less then 3 miles per kwh, they will go below 40 mpg in this calculation so no much better then some modern hybrid SUVs. Still, vehicles like the basic Ora Good Cat can get up to 63 mpg in this calculation, that's probably because the model Y is so heavy relative to something like the cat. Note that published MPGe doesn't take generation inefficiency but only wall to wheel so this mpg calculation is more realistic if most of the power comes from fossil fuels power plants.
"The average diesel or petrol generator".... how many power plants would this apply to? Never mind taking grid mix into account? It's a rather meaningless calculation and an artificial comparison - you're basically trying to portray BEVs as hybrids...
Taking average us grid mix we can get real CO2 grams per mile as proxy to using fossil fuels. A 54 mpg Prius gets 164 grams. An average US energy mix will get 98 grams per mile for model Y assuming no transmission and charging losses (40% gas, 20% coal and the rest renewble+nuclear). With losses it's arond 120 grams per mile or 74 mpg. If it's an average Chinese mix (63% coal,3% gas and the rest non carbon) we will get 206 grams per mile after losses or 43 mpg. No building costs added and all data by IAEA. In a moderately green country the model Y is somewhat better then hybrids. In a very polluting country like China it has much worse effective mpg. It's truly zero emissions infinite mpg only in Norway with it's abundant hydro power
the model y long range only gets 280 miles from 330 advertised so i dont know which efficiency hes talking about. the new standard 4680 gets 220/240 from 280 advertised all driving less than 70pmh at highway. saw several tests of those. its ok to like tesla just dont be a fanboy. it probably is most efficient in the usa but there are several EV in china that are more efficient.
Viking....this is weird, my Bolt gets 4.5 miles per kWh!!??! More efficient than the model Y. Doesn't make a lot of sense but it is very consistent. Weird.
I think you will find Evan that it's selective Ev comparisons that Tesla or whoever compared the Tesla to the other Evs in the list, to paint the Tesla model in a glowing light. Perhaps hopefully someone one day with compare all available Evs sold globally with each other to give a more accurate efficiency test and then we can compare all those sold in our relevant countries against each other.
I agree with you that of the EVs Tesla is the best and most efficient; but they won't be the cheapest. If you are willing to accept subsidies a tesla can be one of the cheapest in their class - Now - but not likely in the future. So far Tesla hasn't shown in interst in Sodium; while BYD has with their Seagull sodium based at $12,000 but a fully functional design; not just a golf cart. Still as long as Lithium is the best available Hybrids will probably be the best overall. Best at cutting CO2, best at range, best on weight. Certainly if new high density batteries come to the mainstream they could change all that; but right now probably the Prius is the most efficient vehicle overall. I would advise you to widen your Electric Viking umbrella to include all efficient vehicles. What if there is a hydrogen breakthrough like some of your Assie Universities claim they have found? Do you want to be out of business if Electric cars take a back seat? Ethanol vehicles are probably the most green - they don't use any fossil fuel; while you potentially could do it with solar cells too - you must live in a sunny climate; have the world doesn't.
Reminds me of a story a co-worker told me a long time ago about a shopper who'd forgotten to get some canned beans, so the checkout clerk sent a stock boy to fetch some. Their price kind of shocked the customer, though. "Seventy cents a can! If I'd gone to Fazam's (points through window to the prominent "Beans : 50¢ /can" sign at the competing grocery across the street), they'd only be fifty!". "Yeah?" the checker shot back, "well, when *we're* out of stock, beans are only a quarter a can."
@@davidbeppler3032 Cybertruck is back ordered at least 4 years, You can't order the Model 3 long range because back ordres are at least 6 months out. I looked at ordering the least popular standard range model 3 and proposed delivery was a month.
People forgot the most important point: SAFETY. You & your Love one LIFES's more import than any thing. ?! Which Car have better SAFETY rating in the World? Only #one TESLA.
The highest ANCAP safety rating here in Australia is 5 stars, so if your vehicle here is rated at 5 stars, it's very safe. My non Tesla is, too, like so many vehicle brands and models, including Tesla, so to say Tesla is the only safest car brand globally is just Tesla fan person BS.
In Canada, my Model 3 costs less to insure than a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. There's something wrong with your insurance companies in Denmark. If they cite the repair cost as the main culprit, they are full of BS. Repair cost is NOTHING next to liability. Tesla's are safer than ICE vehicles in every possible way. What's the worst that can happen for insurance if they need to replace your car? Buy a new Tesla? Big deal. Would they rather pay MILLIONS in liability claims? The fact is Tesla reduces liability claims with its active and passive safety features therefore insurance should be lower. The only reason insurance would be more on a Tesla is if that insurance company has a personal vendetta against Tesla or is in bed with Dealerships/Big oil.
Also think how much less it costs in legal fees when a Tesla collects accurate and irrefutable evidence for every collision. Dump your insurance company. There must be a better deal.🤔
I’ve come from Porsche to Tesla and I do miss having a car that is unique Tesla needs more interior choices and colours yes they might not be able to pump out more at the factory but if you charge more for options then you can afford to make less and less is better for resale
Their is a wrap for the dash board , helps a lot , but the model y is really great as no horrible fuel and no more petrol stations if u charge at home with solar
This efficiency report is most welcome. I got the Model Y standard range because it was $3000 cheaper than the long range and I do 95% of my charging at home with a Level 2 charger. My net cost is very low because I usually have surplus production from my home solar system). I average around 50 miles of driving per day. On road trips I like to stop around every 200 miles or so to stretch and take a restroom break (if you’re over 70 years old like me I’m sure you’ll understand), so the supercharger network perfectly meets my needs. Please forgive the humble brag 😂
I like long roadtrips on the weekend so I went with the long range. Otherwise the standard is perfect. I stop every couple hours for breaks too lol why hold it 😂
I just got my 2023 MYP, I use it everyday, I charge it in my garage and never really pay attention how efficient it is. I all I know is I never have to pull over gas station.
Isn’t that a great feeling? It’s been five years since I’ve used gas or paid for an oil change. Then when you get solar and realize you’re powering your car with the sun, it’s again another great feeling.
I drive my Y RWD regularly to my daughter's house about 45 miles away. Journey is 90% motorway at 70mph and I still get over 4 miles per kwh!
Got my MYP a few weeks ago and love it to bits, cant be happier!! Now i know its super efficient as well gives me an even bigger smile when im driving it!! Thanks Sam, keep up the good work my friend and all the best to your boys and your lovely wife
The reason 4 wheel drive cars are usually less efficient is because of all the extra transmission gear. A 4WD Tesla had 2 motors, so no additional transmission stuff. And the opportunity to better balance front/rear power. So better efficiency. The 4WD TM3 has 2 motors but the efficiency is less, but only because it’s optimized for power more than efficiency. And I looooove it!
Both axles DO have fixed-ratio reduction gears, though, so there will still be extra frictional losses in the 4WD configuration.
@@levenkay4468 true, but a lot less friction than a full fledge drive shaft.
Tesla is a few things away from being undeniably the best car for its money.
1. Improvements on the headlights and the wipers - headlights will probably get better with the Highlander and I secretly hope the wipers get fixed too;
2. Tesla REALLY NEEDS HEAD-UP DISPLAY. Those are inexpensive and give you everything you need as the most essential info. It's also a fix for the people complaining of "just 1 screen in the middle", "its safety hazard," and so on.
3. Vented seats - it's that simple.
4. Bring up the quality inspection.
That's all you need to get Tesla on N1 without any dispute.
It's true, my Model Y Performance actually gets close to 4 miles per kilowatt. If I run A/C which is often in FL it goes up to 275W per mile. I drive moderately but not slow. This is in suburban driving with 2 minute stoplights. My gas VW Tiguan car struggles to get 20 mpg. Waiting to see what it does on freeway driving as I only have 1000 miles so far and haven't seen a super charger yet. I love 1 pedal driving!
👍 looking at my efficiency for my 23 YLr for the last two days it’s just short of 5 mi/kwhr. Incredible.
Viking, I Love your content! Thanks. FYI the BTD Atto 3 regen brakes are not 1 pedal. It is a more conventional feel system. It starts when you let off the accelerator, and the first push on the brake pedal uses regen to slow down, then if you need to push the hold further down to come to a complete stop with little use of brake pads. You can see how much the regen is putting back into the batteries on the screen above the steering wheel. My Atto 3 is very efficient with energy. According to your chart, my efficiency is just under Tesla and better than the other brands. Thanks again.
Correct, I believe Atto 3 uses Bosch IPB blended braking module
He said the Atto 3 does not have 1 pedal driving. You need to rewatch the video around the 5.59 mark.
I thought he sold his grey Atto 3 within a month of taking delivery to help fund his wife's cancer treatment?
He hasn't done any videos of his Atto 3 experience as an owner like he said he would if he does indeed still own it, so I would say he is talking BS about owning an Ev.
Audi etron isn't based on MEB platform but the Q4 is. The comfort of the air suspension in an etron is worth the inefficient driving, never mind all the other nice aspects of an etron.
The Atto 3 uses extra regen when applying the brakes for braking before it engages the brakes. You can see this in the regen number on the heads up display when applying brake
we did a 24 hour test drive of a Y and were instantly sold on it- LOTS of room in there, more than I expected.
haven't been in any other EV besides our Y so can't compare.
i tested ionic and kia for weeks, was sold on the tesla the second day, got a Y long range from berlin, excpected panel gaps etc but it's perfect, no issues. the efficiency and space and power and and and.... i love it so much.
i charge it once a week, saturday or sunday depending on the sun.
it even cost's significantly less than the others if you want 4 wheel drive.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl i got my LR Y aug 21, 20k miles on it now. Hard on tires...but so was my outback and other AWD vehicles.
Elec cost is 1/5 what the outback cost in gas.
rides a bit harsher than I'd like but many cars do these days.
I work from home so the wife gets to drive it daily, I get maybe a drive every couple of weeks.
My 'daily ride' is a van and I put less than 4k on it per year.
I really want a cyber truck...waiting to see how it plays out.
You did let out the most important thing regarding the efficiancy: the mach-e shelby stripes! tht car is definitaly the most efficient with carbon mirror coverings :D
facepalm!
It's got ELS! Expensive Lightweight Shit!
just a small comment: pressing the brake pedal doesnt direct means that you using the brakes (it first uses regen braking ) only if you press really hard that it uses the brakes.
you can achieve same or even better results if youre just diving smoothdly
Yes, and also using one pedal driving you may still be applying the brakes, depending on the implementation.
😮Not far from 150k subs now. Keep up the good work!😊
Use of the brake pedal can electronically activate more regen and then blend in friction brakes only when needed in addition to the regen braking. Ideally, you would use rolling resistance and aerodrag to provide most of your "braking" by coasting (slowing of your vehicle) engaging the regen as needed to slow faster than coasting can accomplish (by backing off further on the accel pedal or pushing on the brake pedal). Friction brakes are still available to be engaged electronically just by backing off the accel pedal (for single pedal driving) or pushing on the brake pedal (more "normal" 2-pedal driving). The point is that a single pedal can be used to provide/emulate electronically the same functionality of 2-pedal driving by incorporating a coast range on the accel pedal when backing off the accel pedal. I believe the above "coast" functionality is why Tesla is adding the lighter regen selection to try to provide for even greater optional efficiency. Electronic Emergency Braking may also eventually eliminate any need for the separate brake pedal altogether.
I have no problem with Tesla. It's interesting to note that the Edmunds comparison of the Model Y and Chevy Bolt EUV showed that Tesla's EPA #s were inflated, where the Bolt's were conservative, making the Bolt as efficient as the model Y.
Over the past 1,000 kms in western Canada, my '23 Bolt EUV has averaged 13.0kw/100kms (4.77miles/kwh), and is getting more efficient as the weather gets warmer. The Teslas with heat pumps are WAY more efficient in the winter than the Bolt. The EPA number for my Bolt is 3.448276 mi/kWh (29 kWh/100mi)
My ioniq 6 gets between 3.3-5 miles/kw average depending on whether I'm going 65+ mph or under 65 mph. And that's with the 20in wheels! I'm planning on switching to 18in. Excited to see what I get then.
Cannot call the ioniq 6 (even not the 5) a SUV. The title is : Most efficient SUV.
And the original ioniq (2016-2017) is even more efficient (and smaller) than the ioniq 6 and even better than model 3
(My ioniq 5 project 45 AWD has an average usage over 1,5 years driving, 2 winters and one summer, of 190 wh/km (304 wh/mile) This including pulling a trailer (750 kg max) for more than 10% of all km .)
At 8:55 Sam tells that the 2019Y uses 250Wh /mile...In summer, driving 100 km/h (62 miles/H ) also I uses only 255 wh/mile (160 wh/km) on average with the ioniq 5....depending on wind even less than 250 wh/mile.
Ioniq 5 is definitely a crossover suv. I get 3.6-4.2. I have awd sel trim. So I got 19” wheels I believe. I don’t drive it heavy footed. Just normal.
@@reiniernn9071 my model y lr has an average of 160 wh/km, and i drive in the mountains all the time
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl There is no reason that in the mountains an EV uses more wh/mile than om highway...Contrary ...it should be less because in mountains we drive usually slower which means less drag.
The energy you uses to climb will be regenerated when going down.
The Audi Etron is NOT an MEB platform car thats the Audi Q4 Etron.
In Europe independent range tests show the Tesla Model Y at 3.8mls per kw/h and the Audi Q4 etron is 3.4mls per kw/h so it depends on who tests and getting the correct car compared.
Currently debating between the Rivian R1S which I love. Or settle for a MUCH cheaper Tesla model Y
i absolutely love my Y LR, but a pickup is not really comparable, you have to find out what you need/want.
the Y has insane cargo space, it has everything i can think of really.
I adore my Tesla model Y, but I don’t need a car this big , Elon Musk hinted there is a smaller car in his plans, if it is a sedan model 3 I will skip it, if it is a smaller SUV I will trade my model Y for this smaller version of perfection
Yes that car will is to be made in the new Mexico factory. I think it will sell for about $US25 000. Expect to see the first one about June next year. I guess Corolla size one motor LFP battery 250 mile range.
I still say my Zoe is more efficient than all of those cars, (but not your skateboard), averaging more than 5 miles per kWh, after 2 years of driving it. It costs me about 1.5p per mile, or 1p per kilometre, on electricity costing 8.25p per kWh. But there are at least two car models which can obtain about 10 miles per kWh.
i have a tesla model 3 standard, my daughter in law has a vw id4pro, we both charge at home 110 volts. she gets 3 miles per hour and i get 5 miles per hour.
The more power per mile, the longer it takes to recharge that car at a power limited charging station. This is an important factor on a road trip.
@chaliegub
Just a general observation about rapidly developing battery tech. Have current EV car designers put any thought into upgrading existing batteries to much longer range/lighter /low cost batteries in the future ? Surely such an ability would be a very positive selling trait for current vehicles.
Many buyers would take the EV plunge if they did not have the perception that their EV vehicles were going to be range obsolete quite quickly.
Some questions arising. Would structural batteries make this difficult? Can battery management hardware/software cope with the changes needed? Longer term would this be disruptive or enhancing for EV uptake?
As a Tesla shareholder (450 so far) & loving nice cars, I can say I wish the model Y would have the same passenger interior width, quality, materials & finish.
The front seats in the model Y are too narrow; the backseat seating and back support look and feel like a US entry market car from the early 00s.
Just look at the fold-down armrest in the back and compare that to the one in a Volvo XC60 or Xpeng G9.
And the luggage cover and all the luggage stored in the model Y, what happens to it if the car is involved in a higher, multi-impact car crash, especially if it rolls or spins?
I haven’t even seen anchor points for a luggage separator net or metal bar/grid-style separator.
And then there is the ride comfort, still being my No. 1 problem with the Model Y, and yes, even after the recent suspension/damper upgrades.
And yes, I have driven both the MY and, a couple of weeks ago, the Q8 etron 50 which has the same TCO as a model Y, ID4, etc. on a 36-month company car lease (operational lease).
The Viking is on point 👌
Road use tax has to come from somewhere to maintain the roads. I pay $140/year EV tax for road use in my registration . Road use tax per gallon is about $0.36/gallon. If the average driver travels 12k miles per year, the amount you pay is about equal to a vehicle that gets 30 mpg. All in all, it is pretty fair.
It’s not fair. Weight/mile tax is fair, if we really want to pay for use. But why pay for use? Use taxes are regressive. Let’s all chip in for a public good with a progressive tax that slides with our ability to pay, and use it to fund roads and public transportation.
Fuel taxes are doing their jobs: making us squabble over the wrong problem.
Your math is wrong. The average driver only pays about $25/year in road tax.
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@@davidbeppler3032 12,000 miles per year (average driver) @ 30 mpg is 400 gallons. 400 gallons x $0.36/g (state gas tax) is $144.
I think the road tax is fair and reasonable. Every state has to come up with how they will handle.
Definitely not ridiculous. May be too high or low, but talk facts, in any argument.
No one likes taxes but we want roads and bridges maintained
@@stevetaylorftw when you cannot collect a "fuel" tax on an EV do they just get a free lunch? EV's use the same roads. Fuel taxes are supposed to be used for road projects and maintenance. If you base an equivalent or close to tax for an EV it is just fair. Weight/mile would be too hard to enforce. Fuel taxes somewhat take that into account inherently as a heavier vehicle is generally going to be less fuel efficient and will require more gallons through the year. EV's are generally way more efficient than their ICE counterparts, but if you go by the laws of averages, it breaks out to being pretty fair. The average driver travels 12,000-13,000 per year in a vehicle. Take that average of 12,000 and the CAFE standard of 28 mpg and you get about 429 gallons. Each states gas tax varies, however in my state it is $.36/g. 429 gal. x $0.36=$154.
Jaguar made a fantastic first attempt five or six years ago with the ipace. And have done absolutely nothing with it since beyond trim mods.
The I Pace is still an excellent vehicle with a bit of catching up to do in batteries and charging. Jaguar is putting so much of their R&D money into Formula E racing and are going very well. Keep an eye out for their next generation.🤔
I have no problem with Tesla. It's interesting to note that the Edmunds comparison of the Model Y and Chevy Bolt EUV showed that Tesla's EPA #s were inflated, where the Bolt's were conservative, making the Bolt as efficient as the model Y.
It's shocking to see how miss informed many are still about Tesla and how this Media rampage against tesla damages our progress and lifestyle. There is no car out there for the same price with same options, space, efficiency, charging speed and more than a Tesla Y. I don't feel sorry for people who buy a subpar EV for more money, it's on them.
Don't worry...was the same shit when the first commercially really viable mobile phones came out. It's always the same shit.
@@Uygsoerk I have to admit, I didn't want a cell phone when they first came out. I held out for a while.
A lot of it is anti-Musk. They hate what he’s done with Twitter.
I’ve driven every car. Every EV available in US and I just bought a ioniq 5. It’s really efficient. I get on avg around 3.6-4.2 miles per kw. (With mixed use of city and highway) I have the awd version. Didn’t want M3 or MY. I am waiting on cybertruck. Elon has to give us updated specs and pricing.
I don't think Ev owners lose any sleep, Cris, with their non Tesla Ev purchase. So long as they are happy with their purchase is all that really matters.
My model Y cost me 3 cents a mile. It’s amazing
For your info, Audi e-tron is not on the MEB platform, just Audi Q4 e-tron.
Seating the other 3 passengers must be tricky on that board though Viking ?
he has a point tho, a car is always expensive, an e-bike etc is dirt cheap to run
Many reviewers call the E-tron, the FAT e-tron. I can achieve 13km per kwh on a regular bases in my Model-3 LR. This is a very efficient vehicle.
Aptera if it is ever to be is 10 miles per kwh. But you would need two of them to transport 4 people; so $55k to buy 2 so 5 miles per kwh is still better than 4 but the extra investment and two times everything does not make sense.
The RWD model Y is actually more efficient at 167wh/km vs 172 for the Long range AWD
And the kona electric is listed as 157wh/km on ev database
Doesn't change my mind about getting a model Y RWD though
The Kona Electric is a small car compared to a Tesla Y
It's still in the suv class
Either way the statement that the AWD Y is most efficient is straight up false even in their own lineup with the RWD Y being more efficient
I´m driving a MY now for about half a year. In winter I needed 20.2 kWh/100 km average with many short distances of about 3 km only (= heating as a main consumer) and several (German) Autobahn - trips of 200 km each with 125 - 130 km/hr. Non-Tesla rims with winter tires.
Then I changed the wheels, now 19" standard (aero-) wheels with summer tires and on a 350 km trip on overland roads (67 km/hr average, max. speed 100 km/hr) I had 13.2 kWh/100km consumption. Looking forward to my next Autobahn trips in warmer weather and with summer tires! 🙂
That 350km trip of yours seems similar to the trip to our cabin and back (190km each way, typical average speed about the same as yours). In our Model S we're hard pressed to get much lower than 180Wh/km; in the Ampera-e I've managed about 130-135Wh/km one way in favourable conditions. That the far larger MY reaches that sort of consumption is pretty good!
The ID4 over the M3? I would never buy a VW, no matter what model. Diesel Gate is enough of a reason for me!!! Did You Forget????
How about a review of your electric skateboard as alternative Transportaion? What brand is the "Tesla" of boards?
😂🤣
One up from the electric skateboard is a Nissan Leaf in which I achieve a 4.7 miles/ KWh (reduced post winter) by modifying my driving approach. There is a reason we are shifting to EV's and efficiency and longevity should be more important measures. EV's should be built to last 20 years not 10.
IFTA - I worked on a small part of International Fuel Tax Agreement scheme/project. Originally/mostly for over the road tax collection by miles driven per 'state'/etc. I would be willing to bet similar tax scheme will be what is done for ICE vehicles. Tax per mile is probably the future. And each road you drive on gets some of the tax you pay. So, if a town get driven THROUGH, a LOT... they might need and get more road repair tax dollars/funding. kind of make sense.
What makes you think the brake pedal doesn't use regen? I'm 99% sure my outlander does. It has a charge/discharge indicator and it swings to charge when the brake is lightly pressed.
It obviously uses the pads when pressed hard, coming to a stop or when the SOC is %100.
All we really need is somewhere between the E-skateboard and a small family car, but what "we" actually buy is a massive SUV with 7 seats and enough headroom for our egos.
just watched a news article about a person that bought a volvo EV to commute 110km each way and the advertised range was a lot less than real world driving can't understand why they would buy an EV from a 2nd rate manufacturer and not a Tesla
Either lack of knowledge or real cult like behavior.
FUDsters accuse people like me of being in the Tesla cult. I just want the safest and best value electric vehicle and that's a Tesla.
Not my fault no other manufacturer is serious about EVs and offers a compelling product.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 I've got the claimed mileage from all models hyundai I drove (in summer driving including usage of airco when needed) with ca 100 km/h fdriving (which is the maximum allowed speed in my country). When I have perfect conditions I'll use even less than the wltp rabge for those cars.
It's not only tesla who gave a real estimated range (when driving normal).
In winter ALL cars, not only EV's do use a lot more energy for driving. With zero to 5 degrees I reach up to 85% of the wltp range (365 km) including using the heatpump with bad wet weather...with the same temperature but dry I'll reach 380 -390 km.
@@reiniernn9071 My Model 3 users alot less than the rated kWh/km in the summer, but alot more in the winter. It averages out to the rating.
My Model 3 is a 2018 so I don't have a heat pump :(
not cult to buy the best product to do the jobIMHO@@themonsterunderyourbed9408
But... does your skateboard have air bags?
Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023, and year 2024 + 2025 😎
Sam, when you hit the brakes on your old Atto 3 you weren't invoking the friction brakes. One pedal driving isn't more *efficient*, allowing a car to coast is the most efficient way to travel, in terms of km per kWh consumed.
Tesla's engineers are definitely over achieving in this space.
Once electricity becomes the mandated fuel, watch the price go up. Just like with gas and diesel, efficiency will become the biggest factor determining the cost per mile. Electric is cheap now but I remember when gas was 24 cents a gallon. $1 per kWH could be a thing in ten years. It’s already 40 cents in Southern California at peak hours.
Probably the solution will be to have more of solar and wind as producers of electricity then that will help keep the price low
The sun's going to be around a long time. And it shines everywhere on the earth that people live in large numbers.
There is no nuclear reactor that man is going to build that will come anywhere close to its size and power. We don't need nuclear energy, we have had it in the sky from before we evolved.
... and my old 2018 Hyundai Ioniq EV does 5.5 - 6 miles/kWh in the summer and 4.2 in the winter...
I'm waiting patiently to buy a newer EV with the same or better efficiency AND the ability to tow a trailer but I think I will have to wait for years
Affordable Tesla Jeep EV would be nice for winter (up north)
I like teslas and agree they're probably overall the best available, but, I do agree they're a little generic in looks. Every model does look very much like every other. And the interiors are not interesting at all. I can't buy a car where all control is via the screen. I have an Atto 3 and I really appreciate the physical buttons. Also I don't want a car with a white or cream interior and the black is not interesting at all. I'm not a fan of brand aggression so I love my BYD but also like and appreciate many other brands. I will definitely consider a Tesla in the future when they offer slightly more premium options.
it's about time that legislation caught up with technology & permitted cameras & LCD displays in cab to replace the need for wing mirrors.
Meh. That's just another opportunity for greedy manufacturers to implement planned obsolescence.
Sideview mirrors should't change.
What, like the Honda E already has?
To sell a vehicle in the US manufacturers are required to have 3 mirrors. Sides and inside. However you can have them removed or modified if your state permits it. The manufacturer can put the required 3, but design it to be removed easily. Asking for new legislation on a federal level is just not going to happen, not any time soon. Even states have more pressing matters to deal with than legislating car mirrors.
@@williamgrunzweig571 I’m in Europe, I was thinking of the EU Regs, but yes, same here as in North America. It’s why I said it’s about time the regs caught up with technology.
I don't care directly about EV efficiency.
When it costs just $6000 to fuel a very inefficient BEV (Lightning) driven without any concern for efficiency over 100,000 miles - I think this position makes sense.
And even though I don't particularly care about range either (230 miles) - if I did I'd say I'm making terrible use of my 100 kwh battery pack.
My tesla M3 LR is 4.8miles/kwh the sMe as the lucid air
What is a Lucid Air? Lmao
I wonder how this milage compairs to Model 3 491km range
Viking the Model Y is not bigger than the ID4 Interior wise the ID4 is has more space.
I would have thought that the equivalent Model 3 would be more efficient given the 3 is lower and lighter than the Y, as reflected in performance figures.
I mean the title of the video and comparison in question is for electric SUVs which the Model 3 is not ;)
It’s not an SUV.
Yes, the M3 is more efficient.
@@thestonksmarket1897 Good point! I read straight past that 🙄
weight is not much of a thing in ev's as it used to be for ice cars.
first you have regen which equals out the weight significantly in terms of efficiency,
second the weight is at the very bottom, which is a huge bonus, if that weight would be as high as a combustion engine used to be it would be a nightmare.
plus the weight is now distribuited perfectly, an egnineers dream has come true in that regard.
so, less weight is still better but it is far from what it used to mean in cars.
Efficiency equals range in the drive cycle requirement to gauge it
The lower the car has nothing to do with drag. The TESLA SEMI has a better drag coefficient as the Bugatti Chiron. The shape of how the car moves through the air and displaces it is the better measurement.
The lower the car, the lower the drag UNDER the car. So yes... lower affects drag
Not a complete comparing..... A lower car has less frontal surface. And with that less drag than the same model car which is higher.
But it is not the only parameter which counts for the drag. CW is also important (shape of the car). And speed can change the CW value, CW is not constant as many people think, has something to do with the airflow around the car and at what point the airflow leaves the surface....the faster you drive the earlier the flow leaves the surface (with the same model)
@@johnb7430 no. Explain the TESLA Semi having better drag coefficient than a Bugatti.
@GET2222 and if it was 5mm off the pavement, it would be even lower.
Take a couple fluid dynamics classes and repost
@@johnb7430 semi and Bugatti… go!
Just a note, Audi E-Tron and VW Id4 does not use the same platform, unless you are talking about E-Tron Q4. And in this case talking about bad efficiency of the Audi, I think you're not. ;)
Electric skateboards are the modern kamikaze conveyances: huge risk of death.
Weight is more detrimental than aerodynamic drag. You accelerate and brake the mass all the time. Recuperate only a fraction of braking energy,
Not so much in electric vehicles because of regenerate in breaking. Stop start traffic is much more efficient for EVs thanICE.🤔
Still happy with my (old?) Kia Niro EV 2019. 40k miles: overall avg 4.2 miles per kWh. 😂
Great content. Love both our Y’s. 1 from ❤Cali 1 From Texas 🐎 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 for your wife. Hang in there. Been there my friend✌🏻❤️
04:26 - that’s an Audi Q4 not an E-Tron
Meanwhile, Tesla just _raised_ the prices of the Model Y Standard and Long range here in Denmark by about $1500. Now there's only a $2000 difference up to the Performance. That's about the cost of a set of 21" rims.
What "outside organizations"? And by whom are they getting paid?
My 2020 Leaf does 4 miles K/H
When I bought my Tesla, it was still considered a niche product but now it’s just like a Corolla
hardly
The Y feels like a Beetle moment to me. I’m digging the price cuts! Let’s go!
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 yes. Model Y is much less expensive.
@@davidbeppler3032 The Model Y is literally twice as expensive as the corolla.
@@stevetaylorftw GEN3 "affordable" car will be the next "beetle".
Hi Sam - I agree what is the real measure of a new car these days? We should stop measuring cars in the old 'fuel type' (including Kila wasps or 0-100 times) petrol head languages, and create some more realistic measure to compare apples with apples, or fruit for you. For example - went to the launch of the new Fiat 500e in Adelaide tonight. Well guess what, while its blah blah blah so called average cycle score is about 290- 300kms, its actual city score (including regenerative braking) is over 400km ~ 418 to be precise. So how do you score a car designed for city driving (stop start traffic), with a car designed for B roads or worse autobahns? Yes good question i hear you say. That's right people will bag the little 500e for all sorts of antiquated reasons, but you are right, its way more 'efficient' in its element than the big heavy cars with much bigger battery's - that do look good on paper or the open road. So don't believe these so called ''efficiency scores" before you decide what you want the car for - i.e. most of the time. If its city driving, and lets face it the majority of people around the world live in big cities, then throw out these so called average 'road scores' for real 'use case' efficiency scores... For your consideration...
Weight of any EV or hybrids is not the most important factor for energy usage in city. Yes , it takes more energy for accelerating....but when we must brake we get a lot of that energy back in the battery (up to 75-80%) Assuming that the regeneration really works fine as in my ioniq 5.
For any ICE it is (accelerating uses petrol, braking is generating heat)
And remember...a longer car has on average a lower CW ...lower air resistance as light short cars. (Model 3, ioniq and ioniq 6 vs fiat 500E)
And even when someone uses the car often in the city...one trip outside the city is often more mileage than all short trips together in the city. Only for a second car I assume it's usefull to view the city usage as most important.
@@reiniernn9071 Yes, exactly my point. My wife and I have our Tesla - Model 3 (RWD) arriving on Saturday as our primary car. The Fiat 500e would be used as the city car. FYI - The 500e wont be sold in Australia until Sep 23, so we have to wait until then to test drive it - then decide. As Sam frequently says - all these non Tesla / BYD manufacturers are only making so called small batches - so even if we test drive and order in Sep 23, we might not get one until Xmas.
Was it not you who said Tesla designs were in need of updating?That CATL batteries were a superior design, the price point and performance levels of these Chinese products were superior, was the impression I was left with I mean they are in 3rd place in China correct?
After watching this Tesla stock jumped from $159 to $160, Viking you are single handedly driving Tesla stock values to new heights, The Fan Boys want to see $750, you can do it.
Tesla Vicking fighting hard for that market cap.
The id4 is bad, but the E-Tron is horrendous. My Model 3 is much better performing, but it has the same efficiency my our smaller and less well performing BMW i3. Pretty amazing.
Mercedes EV’s are so inefficient it’s going to massively affect your high speed charging because they need a huge battery to get the range above 300 miles. So you will have to put 50%-70% more electricity in when your at the halfway way point of a 500 mile drive.
Looks like your skateboard is the Exway Wave, correct?
Do they only have wheels on one end?🤔
@@malcolmrickarby2313 of course not, he's taken them out for some reason
My hyundai ioniq did 4.5 m/kwh.
my Y long range has 160wh/km average
i tried to find some covnersion but i gave up, hehe
ELON NEEDS 2 Commercials 1) safest cars 2) efficiency… 5 second slots… it’s ridiculous he doesn’t promote at all
My Ioniq 38 (like other Ioniq 38s) regularly gets between 5.5 and 6.5 miles per kWh. This is common knowledge. So why is Tesla so amazing? Are you not aware of this fact?
That's why your ionic 38 and other Evs sold didn't make the list so they can fudge the results.
The biggest risk for the EV ist the greed of the charging Station owners. In Europe its way to expensive If you dont have your own charging Station... In charged Yesterday 250 km for 35€.... At suc... That ist insane. At non tesla i would have paied 40€...
My Nissan Leaf from 2015 averages 4.5 miles for every kw/h.
Not in winter!
I had a LEAF, and it was a pile of crap, then a Volt, then a Tesla. The Tesla is amazing.
@@ConstanceCox that wasn't really my point. The Nissan Leaf is just more efficient on the metric of watt hours per mile.
a leaf is not an suv
should have 291wh/mile on highway, Y should have 267wh/mile on highway
i dont know about this miles stuff my Y LR uses 160wh/km and i live in the mountains.
The lower the miles/kwh the more it costs you to run the vehicle
Sam, your electric vehicle reminds me of the Toyota electric SUVs. The wheels have fallen off.🤣😂
Rivian recommends daily charge limit of 80% right? I wish e v's would be more accurate when touting range. Rivian should note average range at recommended daily charge limit. Tesla too 😂 saying my 21 m3 lr gets 348 Miles is an average lie.
all this numbers are somewhat flawed, it depends how its calculated, is heating cooling included or is it just for the moving the car, how are losses calculated, do you really empty an ev to see the range ever? no
there are iron fosfate batteries in the cheapest version, those can charge to 100% all the time, but this all changes nothing really at the end of the day. all ev's are efficient compared to ice cars, even a e-tron :D
@John Smith I'm with you. In my cars case it'd be more realistic to have sold it with a 300 average usable miles.
As you said dead of winter road trip range is closer to 220. Definitely challenging.
04:36 I had to stop the video there because I'd just spat my drink all over my desk. This is BS. The Original Audi Etron had awful range and was not based on the MEB platform. The Audi Q4 Etron (also shown in the same frame) is a completely different vehicle. It is based on the MEB platform and compares with the ID4. Don't mislead your viewers.
98% less? So 2% of the price of the model Y? Funny mathematics...
No , it’s a skateboard 🛹.
I don’t think the Audi E-tron uses MEB
Q4 and Q5 are based on MEB. "e-tron" as a term is a bit too generic now, as they've used it on all their BEVs. Some are based on the ICE-based MLB and MQB platforms (Q8, Q2L, ...)
"etron" means turd in French. Extremely appropriate.
It's hard to really compare the efficiency of an EV to an ICE car because that depends less on the efficiency of the EV but the efficiency of the generator. If we try to take an average diesel or petrol generator then a gallon of fuel makes 12 kwh and so the Model Y is 48 mpg. The more basic models of the Y can get to equivalent of 55 mpg - on the level of the much smaller Prius but with a sacrifice of some range.
It's off course very good for an SUV vehicle but not something that crazy. The other big EVs look very bad if they indeed do less then 3 miles per kwh, they will go below 40 mpg in this calculation so no much better then some modern hybrid SUVs.
Still, vehicles like the basic Ora Good Cat can get up to 63 mpg in this calculation, that's probably because the model Y is so heavy relative to something like the cat.
Note that published MPGe doesn't take generation inefficiency but only wall to wheel so this mpg calculation is more realistic if most of the power comes from fossil fuels power plants.
My 9 years old Model S in doing 130 mpg equivalent on a regular basis,
"The average diesel or petrol generator".... how many power plants would this apply to? Never mind taking grid mix into account? It's a rather meaningless calculation and an artificial comparison - you're basically trying to portray BEVs as hybrids...
Taking average us grid mix we can get real CO2 grams per mile as proxy to using fossil fuels. A 54 mpg Prius gets 164 grams. An average US energy mix will get 98 grams per mile for model Y assuming no transmission and charging losses (40% gas, 20% coal and the rest renewble+nuclear). With losses it's arond 120 grams per mile or 74 mpg.
If it's an average Chinese mix (63% coal,3% gas and the rest non carbon) we will get 206 grams per mile after losses or 43 mpg.
No building costs added and all data by IAEA. In a moderately green country the model Y is somewhat better then hybrids. In a very polluting country like China it has much worse effective mpg. It's truly zero emissions infinite mpg only in Norway with it's abundant hydro power
the model y long range only gets 280 miles from 330 advertised so i dont know which efficiency hes talking about. the new standard 4680 gets 220/240 from 280 advertised all driving less than 70pmh at highway. saw several tests of those. its ok to like tesla just dont be a fanboy. it probably is most efficient in the usa but there are several EV in china that are more efficient.
And! My 2 year manufacturer's service just cost me $101
Safety check and top up wiper fluid?
@@malcolmrickarby2313 yep.
I had already replaced tyres so no rotation needed.
Viking....this is weird, my Bolt gets 4.5 miles per kWh!!??! More efficient than the model Y. Doesn't make a lot of sense but it is very consistent. Weird.
I think you will find Evan that it's selective Ev comparisons that Tesla or whoever compared the Tesla to the other Evs in the list, to paint the Tesla model in a glowing light.
Perhaps hopefully someone one day with compare all available Evs sold globally with each other to give a more accurate efficiency test and then we can compare all those sold in our relevant countries against each other.
I agree with you that of the EVs Tesla is the best and most efficient; but they won't be the cheapest. If you are willing to accept subsidies a tesla can be one of the cheapest in their class - Now - but not likely in the future. So far Tesla hasn't shown in interst in Sodium; while BYD has with their Seagull sodium based at $12,000 but a fully functional design; not just a golf cart. Still as long as Lithium is the best available Hybrids will probably be the best overall. Best at cutting CO2, best at range, best on weight. Certainly if new high density batteries come to the mainstream they could change all that; but right now probably the Prius is the most efficient vehicle overall. I would advise you to widen your Electric Viking umbrella to include all efficient vehicles. What if there is a hydrogen breakthrough like some of your Assie Universities claim they have found? Do you want to be out of business if Electric cars take a back seat? Ethanol vehicles are probably the most green - they don't use any fossil fuel; while you potentially could do it with solar cells too - you must live in a sunny climate; have the world doesn't.
Unless they find a way to collect Hydrogen for free, they will never be better.
Reminds me of a story a co-worker told me a long time ago about a shopper who'd forgotten to get some canned beans, so the checkout clerk sent a stock boy to fetch some. Their price kind of shocked the customer, though. "Seventy cents a can! If I'd gone to Fazam's (points through window to the prominent "Beans : 50¢ /can" sign at the competing grocery across the street), they'd only be fifty!". "Yeah?" the checker shot back, "well, when *we're* out of stock, beans are only a quarter a can."
@@levenkay4468 So are you referring to the price of Tesla's with their long back orders?
@@litestuffllc7249 What back orders? 2 weeks?
@@davidbeppler3032 Cybertruck is back ordered at least 4 years, You can't order the Model 3 long range because back ordres are at least 6 months out. I looked at ordering the least popular standard range model 3 and proposed delivery was a month.
People forgot the most important point: SAFETY.
You & your Love one LIFES's more import than any thing. ?!
Which Car have better SAFETY rating in the World? Only #one TESLA.
The highest ANCAP safety rating here in Australia is 5 stars, so if your vehicle here is rated at 5 stars, it's very safe. My non Tesla is, too, like so many vehicle brands and models, including Tesla, so to say Tesla is the only safest car brand globally is just Tesla fan person BS.
Bicycle , I bet
Remember. Electric tax per km is coming. So EV will but much more expenses. Still little cheaper than petrol but huge gap close
But when it comes to insurance Tesla, at least in Lithuania, costs 5 times more than similar competitors both EV and ICE
In Canada, my Model 3 costs less to insure than a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. There's something wrong with your insurance companies in Denmark. If they cite the repair cost as the main culprit, they are full of BS. Repair cost is NOTHING next to liability. Tesla's are safer than ICE vehicles in every possible way.
What's the worst that can happen for insurance if they need to replace your car? Buy a new Tesla? Big deal. Would they rather pay MILLIONS in liability claims?
The fact is Tesla reduces liability claims with its active and passive safety features therefore insurance should be lower.
The only reason insurance would be more on a Tesla is if that insurance company has a personal vendetta against Tesla or is in bed with Dealerships/Big oil.
Also think how much less it costs in legal fees when a Tesla collects accurate and irrefutable evidence for every collision. Dump your insurance company. There must be a better deal.🤔
Don't think Tesla makes an electric skateboard (yet!)
I’ve come from Porsche to Tesla and I do miss having a car that is unique Tesla needs more interior choices and colours yes they might not be able to pump out more at the factory but if you charge more for options then you can afford to make less and less is better for resale
Their is a wrap for the dash board , helps a lot , but the model y is really great as no horrible fuel and no more petrol stations if u charge at home with solar
they have to stop making gas shitters now, sorry for language Sam, Upvoted!!!!!!
Tesla need to shout out there efficiencies, and not take all the critism without responding.
They have no PR or marketing department. They let the build quality speak for itself
a car company that makes rockets...enough said