Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Movie - Is It Bad? (and Response to Arlo)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- ... Gotta go fast? Look, I respect opinions, and this isn't a full on response to Arlo, but I disagree with his review and how he went about it. Don't attack the creators though, that's the last thing you should do.
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To make it clear, this isn't a full on response to Arlo, I don't care if he has an opinion, I just don't like his review and how he went about it. I don't condone harassment or anything like that, but I do condone criticism.
Thank you, I hate people are giving hate on him just for having a different oppion , well I Argee he could have used different words or be more positive at the end of the day he don't needed harassment
It's not positivity or negativity that was my problem, it's that he didn't really pay attention to the film.
So it's less "He has an opinion I dislike" and more "His review is structurally flawed" then? Because that's something I personally feel is more important. Don't really care about what someone's opinion may be if it is based in misconceptions and poor explanations.
1:17 I am not going to say it but that was funny asf
That’s cool but can we talk about why didn’t sonic talk about 9/11?
I liked how the movie didn't try to redeem Dr. Eggman. He didn't have a sad backstory or he didn't try to justify his actions. He was just a cartoon villain and an agent of chaos. Jim Carrey was fun to watch.
what I liked is that he satyed "bad, chaotic and evil" all the way to the end.
He'd rather die than change.
They hinted to his backstory in part 1.
He told the dumb cop all about how he was an orphan that was bullied and built his robots to rule over and take out his enemies but he did this as an intimidation tactic, not for sympathy or justification.
It was literally "I was bullied, now I am the bully, because I do it better... I do everything better"
@@lunac24 with how the movie ended they might add more backstory but I don't think this will span 20 mins of feeling sorry for him it would be something the viewer would piece together
I wouldn't call him a cartoon villain, just a chaotic evil villain, a remorseless one.
Chaos you say.....hmmmm
I think its better than the first. Every actor nails their role, the humor is funny, and the story was pretty decent.
Kinda disagree but it was funny like really funny sometimes
@@hggpi two jokes i remember laughing at are the Clifford The Red Rampage Monster joke and the "Oh god its a dance off" line
@@easiestcc6451 i remember a lot of them but since i watched it on my native language i wont even try to translate cuz its kinda hard
"Sonic does not work with other humans"
Dr. Eggman: *Is literally a human*
exactly and that argument would seem dumber once Shadow is introduced cause Shadow's best friend was literally a human
And Sonic has worked with humans before. One example would be that professor in Sonic Unleashed. Not to mention that Sonic and Eggman has actually teamed up before in SA2 and Sonic Lost World (even though Eggman betrayed them at the end they still worked together.) And thats just in the games.
Even besides Robotnik, humans have been established in the games since Sonic Jam in 1997. Plus, the classic games took place in deserted environments anyway. It would be like saying humans have no place in Doom.
Dr. Eggman: is literally a human
Adventure 1: has humans but may not be that relevant
Adventure 2: the story has the humans have an important role for shadows back story and the president is a human as well.
Sonic jam cartoons: the cartoons have sonic living among the humans since the 90s.
Sonic X: it's based off the Adventure games, so why not have Sonic befriend a human as he and his friends got transported there?
Unleashed: humans are not the relevant, but it gives us something to relate to our own culture as each continent is based off real places.
Sonic works with humans and since he transported to the human world like Sonic X, it works. I made a comment about how it has always been this way and the responded with how having Sonic and humans be together wasn't the problem. Their real problem is how it's focused on the humans too much. Honestly though, I don't see it. There are less screentime on the humans, but they did do more in the movie like in the wedding and in the end where Maddie and Tom came to save sonic.
That's just his opinion. Plus sure Eggmans a human, but he's a cartoon human with a circle for a body and giant feet and mustache not a correctly proportioned more realistic human.
I didn’t think his review would cause such a stir. I thought the movie was great, the characters were spot on and I liked all the little references. If it was a “corporate checklist”, it would’ve ended up like resident evil and the halo show. Instead we got a fun movie which accurate characters and a passion for the games
Maybe because Sega is not in the buissness of making movies, it does not follow a “corporate checklist”
@@alf513 Paramount.
I think it wouldn't have blown up if he didn't react so poorly on twitter. It was embarrassing to see
That’s why better then what Capcom has been doing with Resident Evil or Microsoft with of course this god awful Halo Show. It’s better then those two combined and it’s actually at least fun to watch.
@@ultraoverloadx9333 i don't know about the resident evil show/movie but I do know that microsoft isn't involved with the dumpster fire that is the halo show,that was just the shit writer's fault
The whole “hUmAnS dOn’T bElOnG iN sOnIc” thing has never made sense to me. Like, you do realize that the main villain of the series, who’s in almost every game, is a HUMAN, right? It’d be way weirder if humans never showed up in the series outside of Eggman. And heck, Shadow’s whole story revolves around humans (oh look, it’s because that backstory ties into and expands Eggman’s lineage, how about that), and the Project Shadow storyline is widely considered one of the best in the series. It really ends up feeling like this is a point that only ever gets brought up by diehard classic Sonic fans who unironically repost the “rough transition to 3D” meme whenever a new game comes out. And people wonder why the games have such a hard time pleasing their fanbase…
lol, people been saying "overlander" not human lol
@@Mangakamen yeah, Imma just treat those people like how the majority of the fanbase treated the “two worlds” explanation.
@@Mangakamen We ain't in Archie anymore. Also I guess humans are Canon since that TailsTube video where he explains where both humans and animal people live on different land pieces.
@@Mangakamen Those are SATAM/Archie Sonic fan dumbs who refuse any other interpretation of the story. While I certainly enjoyed SATAM/Archie Sonic, I also greatly enjoyed Sonic Underground, the Adventure games, and Sonic Colours (though that was largely thanks to the Japanese audio with Gaia Memory announcer). AoSTH was too comedy focused for me, though it is full of meme material.
theres a difference between human real people and and a collection of humanoid features in an egg shape bruh
It's kinda ironic Arlo called this one Corporate and Ticking boxes when the first one was literally that.
This one actually felt like they wanted to write a sonic film that fans would like.
It's better and less generic, but still far from the ideal Sonic movie.
@@djdrizzy9139 the best sonic film is still the 90's ova
@@involvedhail1788 The intro to Unleashed would be perfect as a movie.
@@djdrizzy9139 And it's animated by Marza Animation Planet, who've done for the game series cutscenes, even the movies with Blur Studio who've done games of Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 cutscenes. Even Jeff Fowler (director) and Tim Miller are one of the animators of the games. The movies seem to be building the ground up of the Sonic Movie universe, and the third film from what Fowler said to be darker.
@@DanPlotMix really? You're surprised it's going to be darker? It's introducing Shadow and you're surprised it's going to be darker? 🤣 Space colony about to wipe out all life on the planet Earth? Child murder in an origin story? Of course its going to be darker
I saw Arlo tweet. He said about Knuckles' Gloves In the movie are bad because they're big, poofy and overstuffed. I was like, really? How Arlo dislike Movie Knuckles' Gloves that was 100% accurate to the game.
If anything, I really like that they made his gloves kinda "boxing gloves" realistic
It literally makes zero sense. What are we gonna do next, ridicule Tails for having a second tail.
@@narxmagee727 After that is probably bout Shadow and his jet shoes lol
That’s no different from people complaining about (Modern) Sonic’s pupils being green. It’s just such a trivial thing compared to everything else significant to the story and characters.
Why do people say the stupidest shit when attempting to criticize Sonic lol
Im glad someone else pointed out Tails looking at Sonic for a year is kinda creepy.
well hes 8 year old so its not that bad if he's awkward
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 that's why I said kinda
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It's a funny parallel when Sonic did it with Tom, more than a year to be exact in the first film.
But that's been kinda Tails' character since Adventure 1 or the cartoon, where he stalks and follows Sonic in the jungle. Same for Sonic X, even the minor change of painting Sonic's plane blue. It gets weird that Sonic adapts Tails in the AoStH as his brother when he was kinda of a baby.
Bro Tails is like 8, he's not a predator lmao.
I really felt the heart this movie had for the sonic series, so much so I couldn't help but smile throughout the whole showing. I took my little siblings (were all sonic fans) so maybe that helped, but I can't really wrap my head around how Arlo came out of the movie with that reaction🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Because if you aren't a hardcore Sonic fan, this movie is just ok. It's better than the first one, but on a list of animated movies it would still be in the bottom 50%.
And if you can't enjoy the movie without being a fan, then it's not a good movie.
@@JackOfen my sister’s not a fan of the Sonic games and still had a pretty good time with the movie, so I still don’t really understand where that criticism is coming from.
@@JackOfen I'm a hardcore sonic fan. And personally I think in terms of plot, characters and action scene. The sequel would be better recommended to watch than a repeated "human character meets a cartoon character and must go on a road trip plot."
@@wolfenden9805 Yes, absolutely. The Sequel is much better than the first movie. Maybe you could call it the best vidoe game movie. But, when it comes to animated movies or just movies in general it's only ok.
If anything else, it probably should be celebrated that the 2nd Sonic film achieved something unheard of: A good video game movie sequel.
The best examples of VG Sequels would be Armageddon, the Tomb Raider one, and the unholy Resident Evil sequels (that kept trying to reboot themselves within its own context it seems) and those ranged from less than ideal to… “why?”. But it is shocking to see that they not only had a plan for Sonic 2, but it was executed to not only be just as good as the original, but to exceed it.
Mortal Kombat Annihilation and Silent Hill Revelation were huge stinkers…so yeah, this movie certainly got the better end of the stuck in terms of videogame movie sequels lol.
I think that's the most jarring aspect of the films, unlike video game films prior Sonic and it's sequel aren't "so bad it's good" or "extremely over the top and ridiculous" like the Super Mario Bros, Street Fighter, or Resident Evil movies.
They do a fine job of executing some of the more outlandish concepts of the source material into a fun story. It isn't amazing but it's not really bad or egregious either, they're decent films.
You mean the sequel being better then the original movie
@@PancakemonsterFO4 at the bare minimum, just as good.
Also, I think it's a bit ridiculous when people try to shame movie formulas... like... they're helpful okay, the movie wouldn't be out right now if they didn't follow a somewhat strict formula that guarantees wide appeal, which guarantees ticket sales, which guarantee budgets for future movies... Formulas are good, it's when there's nothing else than the formula that people should have issue with.
Right and that's also acting like Sonic games didn't already follow a formula 🤣 in that respect I was kind of fine with the cheesy writing because the games have always been kinda cheesy. You could see the plot twist in S&K and SA 2 coming from a ways off, I don't think Sonic Adventure even had a plot twist 😂
Also hate to break it to everyone who bitches about movies for being to quote formulaic since no matter how you write a movie now it's going to have something from an already existing movie or movies literally everything has already been done so no matter how good or bad of a movie you wirte its going to be quote formulaic
People actually think that only “triggered sonic fans” didn’t like Arlo’s review/rant. When a video like that is filled with so many inaccuracies, it deserves to be called out. And yes, everyone is allowed to have different opinions, but if you make such blatant mistakes expect criticism.
like what criticisms?
@@user-fy1nq3nf1q where someone says things they didnt like
@@tonitomson7682 like what?
@@user-fy1nq3nf1q movies animation or youtubers they dont like
basically cosmonaut's jojo video
Honestly as someone who still liked the first movie, I found the sequel highly enjoyable and is probably the most fun I’ve ever had with a videogame movie. It doesn’t take itself remotely seriously and is all the better for it, is super (Sonic) fun and entertaining, is able to add more elements and callbacks to the games, and best out of all, seeing Team Sonic interacting with eachother on the big screen is a true delight. In fact, I’m considering seeing the movie again sometime soon.
What Arlo needs to understand and that his response video doesn’t even fully address is that people didn’t havd an issue with his opinion, but the way he *presented* said opinion. His video was less of a review (despite the title originally just saying “Sonic 2 Review” before being changed to be far more condescending) and more of a messy, unfocused and unscripted rant filled with generalizations and contradictions. And if you’re gonna put out an unpopular opinion on something that’s generally well-received from a massive fanbase, that’s probably the worst way to go about it.
I’m not trying to tell him how to make his content nor condone the hate/harassment he got, but I feel like if he made a clear/concise scripted video like with his previous videos reviewing things, then he would’ve gotten WAY less pushback. Since I saw even plenty of peeps who are a fan of him state that his OG Sonic 2 video wasn’t good. But I say all this as someone who doesn’t regularly watch his content and is just an observer, so whatevs.
Exactly! People are bashing Sonic fans for being angry over Arlo's opinion, but in reality people are mad at how he said those opinions.
I agree. Arlo's video was horribly constructed (in that it wasn't really constructed, but rather he just threw a bunch of girders and cinder blocks in a pile), and I would have rather he actually organized his thoughts and discussed the film in a much more constructive format. Just as an example, I'm not particularly fond of the way the modern Mario Kart games are designed (I'm planning on starting a video game review series soon), but I'm not going to repeat what Arlo did and instead actually write a script explaining why I feel the way I do while also pointing out the things that I legitimately do like about the series.
" It doesn’t take itself remotely seriously" we must've been watching a completely different film, because it did have serious moments
@@prufan There are serious moments, but what I meant is that the film overall doesn’t take itself too seriously.
He just needs to understand game reviews and movie reviews are different
I actually doubt Arlo has seen multiple bad movies, especially the souless ones. I've seen *TONS* of genuinely awful movies and Sonic 2 is far from terrible or souless, the filmakers and director actually care about Sonic
He needs to rewatch literally every other video game movie. They all make Sonic 2 look like "Citizen Kane."
Judging from his reaction to "Sonic the Hedgehog 2", it feels like Arlo only likes movies that are overly artsy like "2001: A Space Odyssey". However, I think I recall him also liking the movie, "Pokemon: Detective Pikachu", so apparently he does like simpler movies... Actually, I'm not entirely sure I can really read this guy. Maybe he just has a genuine hatred for Sonic.
@@jakescartoons6045 to be fair he’s more of a Nintendo guy than a Sega guy so he definitely is less familiar with Sonic
@@rico4376 probably, but Sonic has been on Nintendo consoles, and accepted by most Nintendo fans for 2 decades now.
Of course, there are a few, that still won't forgive Sega for the 16-bit wars. ("Genesis does what Nintendon't") A friend of mine still refuses to play Sega games, due to his brand loyalty to Nintendo.
Though, Arlo has been pretty critical and negative about Nintendo lately too. So I don't really see much brand loyalty from him honestly.
I almost expect him to pull a, "I'm done with Nintendo, I'm buying a Playstation!" announcement any day now.
@@beauwalker9820 Not many of recent Sonic Nintendo games have been good. It's probably why he doesn't like them
Thank you! I see a lot of people saying how Sonic fans are mad about Arlo's opinion, when in reality more people are mad at Arlo's questionable points!
To be honest, I'm not mad at all, I just got a kickass movie. The only thing that bothered me personally, was his conviction that he can speak on behalf of a fanbase he's clearly not a part of. Any Sonic fan knows about the variety and disparity among the fanbase, so no one can speak for all.
@@surgeeo1406 I think claiming he spoke for most Sonic fans, (when his knowledge of the Sonic franchise is limited to a few old and a few new games) and claiming most Sonic fans would agree with him is where he went wrong.
There was even apparently an old video some people pointed out where Arlo said he's not much of a Sonic fan, so him suddenly claiming he is, feels disingenuous, and like a Kevin Smith "I'm a He-Man fan/I'm not a He-Man fan" situation.
I think things like that are what most people are upset at him for, not merely disliking the movie like some claim.
If he has s right a criticize the movie, people should have a right to criticize his review, as long as they don't dogpile nor harass him.
one of the criticisms Arlo made that kinda bothers me a little, and he wasn’t the only one to say this, is that the first and second movie should be geared towards fans other than the audience and children who rarely knows who the dude is. sure there can be a movie that can direct to that formula, however many video game movies or movie “adaptions” have failed to do that multiple times, Assassins Creed, World of Warcraft, Uncharted, Tomb Raider (which literally does the same thing as the game itself but instead of playing you’re watching) The Mario Bros., and many others have completely failed on to explaining the simplest things of the video games, Sonic the hedgehog movie 1 actually almost started off with him running away from Dr. Robotnik, already to a quick action scene, buuuuut Sonic gives an actual backstory to who he was, how he came to be and why some of the things happening to him exist, and sure it may not be the type of Sonic we fans know and love but we can get why Paramount did it and how it was better than what most other video game movies do, and look at the sequel now! we finally have some new lore, backstory and half of the movie explained the events before, i’m not saying that a character like Tails needs a Batman story that takes half of the movie, or every little thing that needs to be explained, as MangaKamen said, “pay attention to those minor details.” it’s mostly just common sense
The movie critic Filmento brought up a point is that video game adaptations should not be 1 to 1 with the game that they are based on because what’s the point of seeing that said movie when you can just play the game that it’s based and probably have a better time
@@rico4376 It's why Welcome to Raccoon City failed to please Resident Evil fans. There was a clear love for the source material... but it stuck so hard to telling the basic story of the first two games that it eneded up failing as an adaptation when really just doing the first game would have been fine since that entry's plot is pretty bare that can (and did) go a bunch of different ways creatively speaking. Instead we got a movie where Ada is somehow not involved in the plot of the second entry like she is in Canon, no Barry Burton, and a Jill Valentine who has actually met and interacted with a Leon Kennedy.
I agree, plus "show don't tell" is oftentimes a better trope then constantly over-explaining things, or constantly having exposition in between the action scenes.
That's a problem with most modern action movies.
I agree, the dance-off scene was wonderful and I can’t bring bring myself to hate it.
Indeed, I got a kick just out of seeing those sick Russian dances. Lol
@@SemiJuggaloNumber2 Me Too
"Wait, you actually think the dance off is fun?"
"I do. And I'm tired of pretending it's not."
And it foreshadow the holograms used in the finally.
It was a fun way to have Sonic help Tails get a bit more out of his shell. Plus we got the adorable payoff of Sonic giving Tails a blanket & Tails using his tails to keep Sonic warm.
I absolutely loved the Sonic movies. To be honest, I didn't bother giving Arlo a click due to his opinion.
My ONLY beef with these movies is that they definitely need more music from the games. I honestly think they could have elevated the scenes ten fold.
Yeah legit. I was waiting for “Be Cool, Be Wild, Be Groovy!” to show up during the snowboarding scene. Was a missed opportunity there.
Lack of game music probably has to do with licensing issues with both Sega of Japan and Michael Jackson's estate.
@@wakkaseta8351 Sega of japan wont give a damn if you asked. They even hired fans to make mania so why would they be against game music? Miachel jackson only applies to sonic 3 music, and even then only select tracks from sonic 3.
YES
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Pretty sure it was Sega of America who hired Whitehead and Co. while Sega of Japan just dictated mandates to them. Actual mandates I mean, not "mandates" like the ones Ian Flynn claimed to cover for turning Archie Sonic into his own personal fanfic the way Penders had done with the Echidnas.
Personally, I saw Knuckles's portrayal in the film as similar to characters like Starfire or Rook Blonko (a trained warrior &/or someone who takes things seriously, who is pushed out of their comfort zone as they struggle with a world and customs that are completely foreign to them)
When Knuckles said “I am having the fun!” At the end my mind instantly jumped to starfire lmao
arlo admited he hasnt played anything past sonic 2 game and that he "dosent like the direction the sries took" oof yeh that explains alot
b r u h
he's a nostalgia youtuber. Not surprising considering he only plays Nintendo basically.
@@YightLagami kinda unfair, I'm a huge retro gamer, and Nintendo fan, but I still like Sega/Sonic, and the movie.
And honestly, Arlo's Nintendo videos lately have been usually quite negative, so he doesn't even have much brand loyalty to Nintendo either.
Arlo clearly hasn't seen a film that actually disrespects a franchise like the bayverse and DBE.
i think it’s way better then the first one i’m not saying it ms a masterpiece but i still think it’s pretty good and one of the best video game movies
I must defend dumbknuckles in the sonic boom show. While it is wildly out if character comparred to the original characterization, compared to his more recent outings, he actually had a consistent character. And you can't tell me that dumb knuckles wasn't/isn't entertaining. If so, i can see where you are coming from, took me a while to warm up to him,but also: shame on you sir, shame.
I would also say in Sonic Boom, all the characters were exaggerations, flanderizing certain aspects. Sonic was a cocky egomaniac, Amy was a nag, etc. For knuckles, it was his dimness that got cranked up to being full on stupid.
i actually find dumb knux charming but I do prefer original knux personality
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 and that is absolutely fine. Original Knuckles is amazing but the beauty is that both can coexist.
@@shadowofthenorthstar989 no argument there. Though they fucked him quite hard after adventure/shadow
I don't mind Boom Knuckles because Boom is obviously a different continuity, so they can do whatever they can if it works for that continuity.
Honestly, I just came from his rant jus to be sure I knew what he said before this video addressed any of it, and a lot of what Arlo said came across as him not actually paying attention to the movie or a place of bias. Like, he sounded like he hated the movie because of what he wanted it to be, not because of what it was. Like if someone played The Godfather video game before seeing the movie, than saw the movie and hated it because they were expecting a movie with GTA action or something along those lines. If maybe the same scenario with the Scarface movie and game. I know this is an extreme example because both movies are classics, meanwhile the games are GTA clones for the most part, but I'd still say that the point stands. His rant was almost entirely subjective, he wanted a very particular kind of sonic movie, with no human characters besides Eggman/Robotnik, and hated that our real world was the setting. Which is a fair reason to dislike it , but he presented the idea that Sonic is always worse when given any real world elements, regardless of whether it's in the games or movies. He very much made it seem as though he has no love for anything Sonic post Sega Genesis, with the exception of the games that had little to no basis in our reality, like Sonic Colors, and that's why he hates these movies. Because they incorporate stuff from all over the Sonic mythos, rather than just the parts he likes. I saw someone else call him a Sonic Genwunner, and that description seems very appropriate to me. His whole video gave the impression that he went into this movie and was checked out from the instant it started because he just wanted his favorite parts of his favorite Sonic games adapted, and not the rest of it.
I was honestly having a hard time watching the video, because I really wasn’t into the bad faith shtick. It’s fine for him to rant about things he doesn’t like, but the issue is acting like the things he didn’t like is an overall negative when it’s… kind of just a “him” issue. He literally walked into the movie theater expecting to hate it and then (surprise) hated it. I’m glad he at least corrected it and said it was more of a rant, but in general I’m just too conked out with “negativity for the sake of being negative” nonsense. It’s the main reason I AVOID rants nowadays.
@@Trecherousbeast Rants tend to be extremely subjective and oftentimes inaccurate. If fanboying is the positive extreme reaction to something that somebody enjoys, ranting is the exact opposite. So why the hell would I, an internet user that wants a well written, objective review(which Arlo has provided more or less in the past, even though I find that some of them can be quite drawn out) that accurately surmises what the movie sets out to do, want to hear a near hour-long rambling MESS of a "breakdown" that is filled with contradictions inaccuracies, and simplicity bias from a person I don't even know in real life? How is this useful to me? How is this useful to anyone? And who the hell cares aside from yourself and your personal circle?
I used to like Arlo, but when I saw his video, I couldn't believe he saw the same movie I did. he has a very bad take on the movie, not just because I disagree with his opinions, but because his opinions are based on falsehoods and remembering things incorrectly.
Arlos content recently is honestly annoying and desperate
People like Arlo, I feel, are indeed important as someone who can criticize the things that are genuinely flawed to major and minor degrees when no one else seems to either be interested in doing so or perhaps too afraid to do so. That being said, I do think he often gets a little to overzealous with his pessimism which ends up taking away any real criticisms he might have. I obviously don't condone any harassment but I do think he needs to be told when it's taken too far and just unreasonable. I find it even more baffling when he's not much of a fan of something yet still criticizes it as if he is which is exactly what went wrong with his Sonic movie review. The bias is just too strong and feels almost made up at points in order to justify a longer review. I felt somewhat similarly about LS Mark's review though I fully respect his take while with Arlo I'm at a loss on why I should respect his review in particular given how he did it. Sonic 2 wasn't perfect but it's been awhile since I've watched a movie where I truly could feel the fun the people had while making it. It's wacky and adventurous yet never feels like it crosses the line of just awful noise to keep kids occupied like with Illumination movies. As an adult and an old time Sonic fan, the movie was good and fun. There are times where Arlo though, just feels like he's bordering on anti-fun with some of his takes which is really weird because his opinions regarding things Paper Mario or Pokemon usually hit the right marks that feel like they're more than just his bias being the main mouthpiece of his criticism
I haven't watched Arlo's review (because I'm not going to watch a nearly hour long rant about why he didn't enjoy something I did), but, from what I understand, the difference between his and Mark's reviews is that Mark actually took the time to think about the movie. Not trying to insult Arlo or anything, but he uploaded a 50 minute, unscripted rant the day the movie came out, while Mark took the time to write out a script and edit it before he shared his review. And while I think some of Mark's criticisms came from misunderstanding, and that he probably should have taken more time, or perhaps given the movie a rewatch to more thoroughly analyze it, before uploading a review, I don't think that would have changed much, because a few of his criticisms were valid, and others, he admitted, came down to personal opinion. And, at the end of the day, he was part of the target audience and did claim to enjoy the movie despite its flaws. Unlike Arlo who, like you said, claimed to be a part of the target audience even though he wasn't, and reviewed it as if he was.
@@katagon if you don’t want to lose brain cells don’t watch it lol
@@apathy2454 as a huge sonic fan myself and someone who watched most of the video a lot of his criticism were valid, the movie took too long to pick up, the dance scene was rather dumb and just a filler stolen straight from the first movie, there are a few plot holes like how the army knew sonic would be in Hawaii and why they did the whole set up when they coulda just gone to his house in the first place. I love the movie but at the same time I completely agree with Arlos criticism
@@antoniogoralski2930 as the above video pointed out, going back home would solve nothing seeing as how both GUN and Robotnik knew where Sonic lived. The dance scene while similar silly humor didn't rely on bullet time like the first movie, and actually did have differences. There was no dance off in the first movie, Sonic outsmarting a bar brawl is not the same thing.
I also kinda disagree it took forever for things to pick up as within the first 20 minutes, Robotnik returns, Sonic meets Tails and Knhckles, and they're pretty much already on their adventure.
As for GUN, they didn't know Sonic would be in Hawaii, but they DID know Sonic was affiliated with the human family and understood if they kept tabs and followed them, eventually Sonic would turn up, and they were hunting him, because they were tired of Sonic's "nice job breaking it, hero" moments as shown earlier in the movie.
No offense, but ask yourself, do you seriously agree with everything Arlo says, or do you just do it, because you feel sorry for him?
I feel like some of Arlo's criticisms were weird too, like how he made a big deal about Tails hitting Knuckles with a car for some reason. The man can have an opiinion but that seems like a really odd thing to focus on and I personally don't even think it's out-of-character
corporate checklist? What kind of movie was this Arlo guy watching? XD I actually was surprised how well they implimented all sonic related stuff into the movie.
The biggest complain my brother and I had was that the movie was a bit too silly at times but overall we still had a blast and certainly looking forward the next one.
If he wants to talk about corporate checklist he should go watch any of the other movies that came out this year other than sonic or most modern-day TV shows that scream about diversity and inclusion
@@thetruestar6348 yeah, the Sonic movies had diversity, and the two main human leads on the good guy side were an interracial couple, (makes it ironic some haters tried to call the first movie "rasist" before the movie even came out) but it was handled naturally, didn't draw attention to it, nor try to exploit them for political commentary like most movies do now, or anything. Which is how they should handle diversity, because in real life people don't normally draw attention to things like that.
Agent Stone's apparent "admiration" for his boss might of been a bit overplayed in the sequel though, like it came off as a Mr. Burns/Smithers thing sometimes. It was so subtle though, (aside from the coffee gag) that it didn't really feel like representing anything.
I’m still a big fan of Arlo. His video wasn’t very great but that won’t stop me from liking his content
That's perfectly fine, I'm not saying you have to stop liking him.
@@Mangakamen yea I know. Love your content too! Keep up the work bro
Nah, I'm gonna go jump in a hole lol
@@Mangakamen Don't forget a rope on the way down!
@@Mangakamen NOOOO!!!
While I know people are happy for the new character coming for the third movie, I can’t help but want Metal Sonic be the new threat.
Same. I am happy for the new character coming but I feel like it's a bit too soon for their introduction. Maybe they want to introduce them into the 3rd movie already incase something happens and they can't make more? Not sure but still excited.
I'm hoping that they'll go the route of having Eggman survive and create Metal Sonic for a full group of villains that Sonic Team has to contend with.
He could still show up. We weren't given a teaser for Knuckles in 1, yet we got both him and Tails, so who knows. We could get Metal AND Amy next movie. Heck, maybe even Rouge.
@@kevin13cabello the ultimate weapon vs the ultimate lifeform would be cool.
@@ilikethecokev2 endless possibilities you might say
I like Arlo, but this was a baaaaad take of his, so criticism going his way was inevitable. The hate mongers after him can STFU, but concise critique like this is a-okay.
There were some issues with the movie, but overall the pros definitely outweighed the cons, and I liked the movie.
Sonic movie 2 felt like an actual good videogame movie, it has writers that understand these characters and makes sure they play off one another while giving some good world building. If it was some checklist then these movies wouldn't even had made it this far without getting absolutely destroyed like the first trailer of sonic 1.
I dont know how you can't like a movie like this that is just fun, exciting, adventure, great characters and great action.
@Kc Link
Aesthetics is everything in media. And if Arlo felt the aesthetics of the film were corporately formulaic, than I don't think there's much that can change that.
It was way better than the first one. I literally couldn’t finish the first one it was so slow.
How ironic
That has to be the most gouging insult for a Sonic movie.
@@icycrusader1947 lol I see what I did there now but it was unintentional haha
PROJECT S@DDOH
I can kinda understand why, since the first movie is both a basic origin story and the midpoint in particular drags due to just being a buddy road trip. Whereas the sequel just keeps going and going due to have more characters and plot elements.
Arlo's review was just bad, he obviously isn't a fan of Sonic or he REALLY did not pay attention.
Arlo's response video genuinely annoyed me in how he responded to the criticism surrounding his video. I understand that it's just his opinion surrounding the movie and that he shouldn't be harassed for a movie he didn't like, but he didn't really respond to the actual criticisms of his video regarding his points toward the movie, which are either flat out false or that this is more of a problem with him and not the movie.
Granted I still enjoys his content, but this is his biggest L.
he wasn't harassed, people too often throw that word around
I loved this movie. More than the original, because it felt more like a Sonic adventure. It wasn't perfect (the wedding scene was totally unnecessary and most of the humor was basic farts or references), but it was enjoyable. 7.5/10
As for Arlo, I ain't touching that drama
Yh same I rated it 7.5 defo a big improvement
The wedding subplot is fine, IMO. The bride going on a war path was pretty funny
@@MegaPokefan97 I found it hilarious.
I agree but seeing how I actually really liked the humans in this (as I hated the sister in the first movie) and most of the jokes were funny to me with only a few stinkers, I'd give it an 8 outta 10
@@SaanWukong I Give It 4 Out Of 5 Star
Criticism: valid
Opinions: valid
Harassment: invalid
People are allowed to have different views and to share them. Regardless of the view so long as it doesn't hurt people then it's alright for it to be different.
Open discourse is the best discourse. The fact that this movie can have bad views and good views means it hit good and bad notes. To dismiss problems is to dismiss possible improvements. Since we all want the best product at the end of the day.
This has to be the greatest Sonic Movie 2 review on this website, honestly I thought I was insane for genuinely loving this film without being harassed by people.
I really enjoyed this movie. Makes me sad that Arlo didn't get the dance part of the film. As they needed a place to sleep for the night from the blizzard and it created a fun bonding moment with Sonic and tails. I though it was a super cute part of the film.
Well said
Not gonna lie, this whole situation has made me lose a bit of respect for Arlo.
I don't think it's that big a deal, but this is definitely his biggest L.
I mean it was a bad take but I hardly call it something worth losing genuine respect over.
@@TheDJman248 It's more of Arlo's reaction to the criticism by just getting of Twitter and blocking anyone who criticized him and the entirety of his "response" video. As well as renaming his Sonic Movie 2 review video. He shouldn't have gotten so much shit for not liking the movie and there were SOME assholes, but he should've listened to some of the criticism instead of being a big baby about it.
I was kinda already put off his videos for awhile now, as he seems overly negative lately, and pretty much just as the same hot takes as most other "everything sux" reviewers online. (It's like everyone wants to be the AVGN, not realizing he was a parody, and not a legit reviewer.)
Like in his "Nintendo characters that should be retired" video he said the Koopalings and Andross (Starfox) should go away forever, despite the fact those characters were retired for literally decades, with fans actually missing them, and only came back recently. Neither character/s are as overplayed as he said, (the Koopalings seem regulated mostly to the NewSMB series, while Andross was replaced by other lamer villains for years) so he has some odd takes on things.
@@beauwalker9820 Same. I want him to get better. I think his mental health is really getting to him. And as someone coming out of their own funk, it's hard to watch someone else go through the same motions and have it not impact me.
We Need The Original Sonic Design to Fight the New Sonic Design
Finally, someone defends the dance off scene 😍
I don't like it, but it's just like Kamen said. It was needed or else they would be on a ever worse situation.
I never thought I’d hear a Bruno Mars (& Mark Ronson, don’t forget about him) song in anything Sonic related but, here we are and I’m happy for it.
It was silly and a cliche' in family movies, but entertaining and foreshadowed some of Tails' inventions. It also helped Sonic and Tails bond as hero/sidekick and as brothers in a way.
Well again, the movie is more geared toward Sonic fans both young & old so if you're a fan then chances are you'd enjoy it. If not then it's really hit or miss.
I dont know i never was into sonic ( ok saw sonic x or whatever it was called on TV when i was a child but thats thats about it) and tbh i did enjoy both movies a lot sure they arent deep but they are super fun to watch and tbh thats all i really would want from a sonic movie
The movie went down the way I figured it would. In a mostly good way for once from the trailers alone
The other humans would be mostly superfluous (Even as a strawman id say just to say the movie “Is not perfect it has flaws……” so if anyone complained about them, the lovers of the movie wouldn’t care)
The main draw was gonna be Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Eggman doing stuff
The plot would be simple because Sonic and co are all being invested in very easily thanks to the legacies
And the action would be intense because there’s not that much to worry about reality wise besides what’s happening right now in the moments
God, you really weren't lying when you said 10 minutes
The movie wasn’t perfect, but I still had fun watching it with friends. A lot of Arlo’s criticisms made no sense to me, and still confuse me. Should he have gotten as much shit for it as he did? No. But should he have made a more concise and structured video instead of a long, sloppy rant? Yes. I know he said that he wanted to put out his genuine raw feelings after seeing it out there, and that’s his right, but he also should have expected it to be a poorer video than usual, and been ready for the criticism that followed. A lot of what I saw was valid and just pointing out inconsistencies and the like. And the ones that were more hateful should automatically be ignored cause they aren’t trying to help anyways.
It was a solid movie, I liked how the first one played with Sonic and Lord Donut's friendship. But the second one shines thanks to Tails and Knuckles (and also because the most we get from humans is the Hawaii Marriage, and that felt like a dollar store bin Adam Sandler romantic comedy).
Spoilers:
Can't wait what Shadow brings to the table
Hey, I really liked this, you made some cool points. I especially liked the one that Sonic might not want to go Flash in some situations where he's trying to reason with people rather than freak them out even more than his looks do. Also, it isn't clear if he can do it at all times, you know, that lightning thing wasn't even whithin his control in the first movie, so maybe it's the same with the bullet time thing...
Also, thank you for not focusing too much on Arlo's... "review," you shouldn't put more effort into it than he did. He's lacking a good bit of self-awareness I think... I hope he chills down, you know.
I'm fine for Humans to exist in Sonic media, but they should not overshadow Sonic & Friends. Besides Robotnik. He's crucial to be involved in the plot.
I think the reason alot of Sonic fans dislike Human characters in Sonic Media...Stems from Sonic X. Chris Thorndyke (and to a lesser extent his family) dominated that show and Sonic & Friends felt like secondary characters in their own show. Even Sonic got his role downplayed to being the Deus Ex Machine hero who shows up when Chris (and Sonic's friends, who spend more time with Chris than Sonic) need to be saved. For most of the show, you're not following Sonic, you're following Chris.
Then you have those other Live-Action movies which have the title character buddy up with a Human/s, and often feel overshadowed or like they are fighting for focus with the human characters. The Smurfs, Garfield, Tom & Jerry, Alvin & The Chipmunks, Detective Pikachu, and worst of all, the Micheal Bay Transformers movies.
Sonic The Hedgehog did it alright, Sonic The Hedgehog 2 did it alot better.
Agreed.
(Though I don’t think Detective Pikachu did it badly. Yeah it focuses on a human, but so did the game it was based off of.)
@@joegreen3802 Detective Pikachu was a good movie, but besides Pikachu, all the other important characters are Humans.
Mewtwo is barely in the movie and is more of a plot device/mcguffin than his own character.
Plus I saw the plot twist with Pikachu coming a mile away. Technically it's the mind of the dad in Pikachu's body.
@@PlanetZoidstar Yeah, it was kind of based on the game. Mewtwo was barely in that as well if I remember correctly.
I think you summed it up perfectly, why so many Sonic fans are anti-human. Still the Sonic movies did a better job of handling humans NOT overshadowing the main non-human characters for once.
Though, "Detective Pikachu" is kinda a bad example as human characters were always important in the Pokemon games and anime. Humans technically were the main characters in Pokemon.
Chris is a great character. He did not dominate the show, he had 4 episodes where he was the main focus and Sonic got the most screen time an episode. Don't lie to further an agenda.
"Sonic doesn't work with humans"
Sonic movie 1999, Sonic X, Maria, and everyone on the ark: "Am I a joke to you?"
When I was little, I thought humans in sonic were weird, I like Sonic Underground and stories with sonic that rarely ever had humans. Let me repeat: When I was young. As an adult, humans in Sonic absolutely make sense. I still don't like Sonic X, and I still prefer just the mutant animal cast, but at least I can acknowledge that humans have literally always been in Sonic. That's like saying, the entire Sonic universe is wrong, because this movie is far from the only Sonic thing with humans. Not to mention Eggman? Hello?? Dang, I don't understand people sometimes.
They aren't mutant animals. They are just fictional race of people.
@@bunsmasterbunny dempends on the contunity
I was blown away by sonic 2 and I can’t wait for the third one
I don’t get why people wouldn’t like it I mean it hits all the notes perfectly
Honestly that whole “corporate checklist” junk just sounds like what those second rate journalists on rotten tomatoes would say about it
Before I say anything about Arlo, I would like to say I don't condone any harassment of him. If you are doing so, please stop. What he said is still his opinion on a movie and should be respected as such. That being said, I do still think criticism on the video is warranted especially with stuff that is blatantly wrong or disregards elements taken from the source material or context given by the movie. Arlo's video is riddled with this stuff and while some of his points are sound, critique should be levied where necessary.
Is This A Bot?
@@TRG_R17 No, this is actually a human being.....I know that sounds like the least human thing to say but still.
KAMEN
you should have seen the ratio man... this is arguably one of arlo's most disliked videos!
it was like... 10k before youtube thanos snapped it out of existance man!
Let's be honest. It's not easy to have a differentiated opinion on this movie, right?
It's easier if you actually, ya know, pay attention to the movie and make cohesive points :)
@@Mangakamen you literally stereotyped shadow as "guns" and "edginess" and also refrence the sonic adventure games, wich from what you said about shadow, makes it clear that haven't played them, cause if you did you'd know about shadows character.
I fully admit, I might be misunderstanding this. But when I hear 'Corporate Checklist' all I can think of is someone saying 'Tropes are bad'.
I'll say this, the dance off in Sonic 2 made more sense than the Porky rap in Space Jam 2.
I Loved this one, BUT I do agree/understand some of the points Arlo makes,. It really comes down to wheter or not you liked the first one, its kinda like the Venom movies if you like the goofy nature of the first one you'll most likely enjoy the second one
Thanks for the video!
I'm old (40s), and I played Sonic (1, 2, and others) and to be completely honest never really liked the games, I was always more of an FPS guy. But I liked the character. Watched some of the cartoons and thought there was potential. Then came the first movie, which was way better than I expected, I really liked Sonic. Then, I loved the second movie even more. After thinking about it, I think what clinched it for me was the people that interact with Sonic, specifically Tom and Maddie. In most movies where there are fantasy characters interacting in the real world, most if not all adults are just stereotypical distrustful morons, and plenty of times it is the children that first befriends this fantasy characters. Not this time; fist we have Tom, which is full of doubts at the start, but eventually gets to know and befriends a lonely Sonic that craves to communicate, and by the end there's a very much earned friendship between Tom and Sonic that immediately expands to his very smart, loving, and amazing wife Maddie. The end of the first movie with the three of them on Sonic's new room was the real climax. Sonic has a real family and the Wachowski's now have a son they never expected to need or love so much. On the second movie, that love expands to the point where there is growing pains, but at the same time, there are lessons learned by Sonic and his character arc is even more resonant. The addition of Tails and Knuckles help in Sonic’s development of course, and they are amazing characters I can’t wait to see grow and develop, but there’s also growth with Tom and Maddie becoming more mature parental figures, without degrading into stupid, grotesque or lame preaching adults. They love Sonic more than ever, they trust him, too but also worry about him being lonely, knowing they can’t be with him always; but at the same time, they also proved that they will never abandon him, even if that means dying with or for him.
That's when I realized: It’s the human connection that made me like the movies and Sonic so much. This is what they Sonic movies have nailed better than any other similar movies before it. Yes, the wedding scene could’ve been better edited but was still good and helped emphasize that Sonic trusts Tom and Maddie with his life. For me, the ending on the battle were they all hug is the emotional high point, perhaps only second to when Sonic calls Tom, dad. I believe the connection of Sonic with Tom and Maddie is the center and heart is the Sonic movies. Maybe this doesn't work for everyone, nor for people that knew Sonic from the games, but in the movies, the trio are now essential. If they take care, develop, and mature this relationship in the sequels, Sonic’s future as an extremely successful franchise will be all but guaranteed.
well said
I'll add to that with something I've said elsewhere. The reasons why people responded well to the Sonic movies are twofold: The first is that most other kids franchise adaptations make earth a place the heroes visit on their big screen outing. NOT SONIC. It's made very clear that for all intents and purposes very early on that Earth. Is. HIS. HOME. Not a place he visits. HIS HOME. That immediately gives Sonic a much better reason to protect earth than he's the hero and that's what he does. The second reason is that this is the first time in the franchise where Sonic actually having a family is the biggest focus. You could make the argument in the games that he has a family made up of friends, but the movies don't hide it: the Wachowski's are his family. And Maddie even lampshades it in the second movie with 'Let's go get our kid.' That's not to say Sonic doesn't have family in other media, he very much does, but they weren't given much of a focus outside of the backstory for why his homeworld went to shit whereas Tom and Maddie get a lot of focus and are probably among the best developed human characters you see in these types of movies. Also: I LOVE that Tom and Maddie are a team that actually COMMUNICATE with each other. Especially since that would be a very healthy thing to show someone like Sonic (And by extension, the kids in the audience) what a health relationship looks like.
@@tcrpgfan ALL you said, completely agree!
@@jhpadilla I'm excited for Amy being intro'd to be honest. Mainly because I know, just KNOW, the writers are going to have FUN with Tom and Maddie needling Sonic over Amy's crush on him like parents will do.
@@tcrpgfan I hope we get more sequels. The family dynamics can only get better and better.
Personally I loved how the movie went and tails manages to be his best self in this film
Considering Arlo complained about Nintendo not releasing games so he can have content (literally like a week or two after Nintendo released a game) and basically wants a Nintendo game every month, while also saying he doesn't want developers to be crunched (and all at the start of lockdowns)... not surprised Arlo contracts himself constantly still.
He could do Newsweek
Fun Fact: Originally Knuckles was about to have a Jamaican accent but they went with the one that's in the film.
I kinda want to see that now.
aren't you confusing it with the game?
Sonic fans are always super salty, I didn't think his review would be so controversial. I've played Sonic games since I was a kid on the Genesis, and the adventure games were a highlight of my childhood. I thought these movies were just okay. Not terrible, nothing great. Just alright. I liked the movie more than Arlo did but I actually agreed with him on almost every point he brought up. I think Sonic fans put up with a little too much sometimes and spend more time defending bad to mediocre products instead of advocating for better products
... You mean like how they complained about the model of Sonic and actually got it changed?
Yeah, they don't do anything to advocate for better products.
Arlo didn't make any points though, his complains are super generic and apply to every movie of that kind. It'd be less disengenuous of him to just say he doesn't like family adventure movies.
Also, don't ever try to sum up a fanbase as "Sonic fans are blank," it's disrespectful to generalize a global, thirty-year old fandom with literally every kind of people in it.
So Sonic Fans Wasn't The Reason They Change Sonic Design?
Sonic fans are the reason the design was changed also a lot of fans didn't care for Sonic 06 or Sonic Forces. So there not defending bad to mediocre products at all.
Yeah, I was disappointed in the way Arlo handled his review. I usually like his stuff, but this is one of the things that I didn't agree with some of the things he said about this movie. There were some things that he got wrong and like you pointed out, didn't pay attention to certain details.
I actually enjoyed this movie a lot more than the first movie. Sure, the human segments kinda lasted a bit too long, but thankfully the movie mainly focuses on Sonic and friends. I had a lot of fun with this movie. I'm also looking forward to seeing the 3rd film once it comes out!
I honestly think Arlo just shouldn't cover Sonic content. He doesn't seem to have a deep understanding of how the series works. I remember seeing his Mania review a few years back and he complained about how the gameplay is with like the slopes, the momentum, and stuff. Coming from people that know the series, these aren't issues at all. I really should just stick to being a nintendo guy.
As a long time Sonic fan the second movie gave me everything I could have wanted for a sequel and I really enjoyed it, not sure whether to say its better than the first but I am glad we got two successful video games movies which does everything I wanted to see done right. Sure the movies aren't perfect but I will happily take what we have over what could have been, and not just on about the original Sonic Movie design but the movie doesn't have the traditional video game movie checklist which made movies like this in the past not as enjoyable for myself.
I don’t understand all of the Arlo hate he had some VERY valid points about the plot, plot holes, pacing, as a sonic fan alot of his points were some of the same gripes I had with the movie myself and this could have definitely improved both pacing wise and plot wise
Honestly, it doesn't matter if you agree with his points, and saying you're a sonic fan doesn't matter either.
Not only did he have a lot of points that were bad, how he structured his video was horrible. And there were times where it seemed like he didn't even pay attention to the movie.
Even if you have some good points, that doesn't matter if you have just as equal or more bad points. It'd be like telling someone to eat some food in front of them, but just to ignore the burnt crispy spots.
His Video Still Bad Though
I feel like Arlo's response video was honestly somewhat worse than the review, with him doubling down on his mistakes, trying to deflect any criticism in a somewhat condescending tone and trying to act like the victim because people called him out on his mistakes. No offense to Arlo, but it wasn't a good look for him...
Okay since we know there's going to be a third film that revolves around shadow what other characters you think is going to make appearance in the third one Amy Rose or rouge the bat
Rogue is basically a guarantee if it follows SA2’s plot, but I wouldn’t mind if it added Amy as well. My ideal scenario would be to have them both be GUN agents, and to have Amy as a junior agent who works under Rogue and looks up to her. But we’ll just hafta wait and see.
Amy is the one to put Shadow into clarity of what Maria really said to him.
Rouge the Bat. As much as I like Amy, Rouge is just a better candidate. She's a rival to Knuckles, a friend to Shadow, and has her own interests that are independent to other characters. Amy is nice, but her fangirl obsession with Sonic would be redundant because Tails already took that position. They would have to drastically change Amy to make her fit, and if they're going to do that they might as well just use Rouge
My most likely picks are Rouge, Amy, or Metal Sonic. Rouge is probably the most likely since 3 is likely gonna be an adaptation of SA2, but I could also see Amy or Metal happening because it's Movie 3... might as well have 3 hedgehogs.
@@icantstopsparkling7450 what if they make Amy the IDW version, she's really not that obsessive in that one.
Oh neat, he decided to shrivel into a corn cob after people rightly called out him being a dunderhead.
Some might say people overreacted, probably true. However he chose to do that unscripted, he chose to not peer review it, and he chose to upload it
I still haven't gotten around to seeing this movie, and I really need to. The ending bit was spoiled to me, and honestly I already kinda guessed what it was gonna be. These movies are trying to be a good mix between source material and it's own thing, and I think that's fine, and it's definitely working for it.
Unfortunately for people within Arlo's smaller community, we have seen a slippery slope developing over the last year or so. It's obvious that mental stress is taking a toll on him, and a lot of his newer stuff is more negative.
I have no strong feelings on Sonic 2, and even I though criticizing fans of the movie was in bad taste.
I hope he gets better.
I honestly just wish Arlo would stop making videos on things just cuz they're popular cuz hes spoken about how he doesnt like sonic and other things like pokemon multiple multiple times yet still reviews them and still says he didnt like them for reasons that actual fans of those things like them.
Ditto, tbh.
What was he expecting, anyway?
Speaking as someone who's a pretty amateur youtuber I can't completly understand why someone would go out of their way to review something they know their not gonna like.
If someone requested it on your patreon or if your reviewing every game in a series then I could understand but for me I feel it would be harder to make a good video if it's something I'm not obligated to do for whatever reason. It'd also just be less fun tbh
@Mamodokod Did he say he doesn't like Sonic and Pokémon before?
@@TheMalikp1 yeah, especially pokemon, hes talked about how he doesnt like pokemon often enough
seriously how much do I have to pay Arlo to never talk about Pokémon again? I dont think theres a single video (aside from snap) about Pokémon that I didnt hate.
I only had one nagging complaint for the Sonic 2 movie, but I’ll place it below a spoiler line just in case.
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How the movie handled the past accounts of the Owls vs the Echidnas was inconsistent. They battled each other until both sides were wiped out, seeming to see each other as a threat over the possession of the Master Emerald. But at the end of the movie, Tails says something akin to “two great tribes worked together to defend the universe from this power getting in the wrong hands.” Which like … no, that’s not what you’ve been saying this entire movie. Where did that shift in perception come from? Sonic empathizing with Knuckles about losing everything has nothing to do with whether the Owls and Echidnas were enemies or companions.
It feels like this might have been a longer script and key moments that connect these opposing perceptions was cut. Or maybe the script was different originally but not all details were smoothed out in revisions. Either way, that inconsistency is still eating my brain after seeing the movie yesterday. Though, to be clear, I still had a blast with this film. When I saw the trailer revealing that Knuckles would be in the film, voiced by Idris Elba no less, I knew I was in for some fun. And I wasn’t disappointed!
There's both a novelisation & tie-in comic that might address this. I say might because I don't know, haven't read either yet lol
I personally did really like the film. I'm not gonna hold it on a pedestal as the "greatest video game film of all time" since it only really has 2 competitors (one of which being the previous movie) but it was overall a great time. I really liked the characters, the interactions the action. The only real flaws are the comedy being very hit or miss and the B plot dragging a bit too hard for me. Other than that though, I am a very pleased Sonic fan and can't wait for movie 3.
I saw Sonic 2 twice in theaters and it was awesome
Bruh how did you manage to spoil yakuza 0 for me in a sonic review, I wasnt expecting that. Otherwise good video👍
I didn't
@@Mangakamen in the video it showed a scene where it looks like one of the characters is betraying kiryu, idc but I just thought it was funny.
How would you even know it's a spoiler?
So what your saying is that Arlo would be great at cinema sins.
I mean why not? lol
5:03
and that makes me sad. I loved your commentaries. Nothing wrong with you doing this other stuff, but I always felt you were pretty good at explaining your reasons for the videos you tackled. Hell, its thanks to you that I like watching commentaries and how I got into liking people like Doodletones, Ponder Sprocket and many others.
I understand
I’m in the minority here- but the worst part of the movie by far for me was the soundtrack. Moreso- the lack of one.
Sonic games always have his knack of having really catchy tunes, yet the tracks picked out for the movie imply a more serious tone. Which is okay- but just wish this movie had a little more campiness to it
We need live and learn in the next movie.
@@MangakamenThis aged so well
I do think that while the first movie wasn't as interesting in terms of plot, said simplicity let it be a bit more effective in writing. Nothing felt rushed there.
Sonic 2 doesn't have that same conciseness, but hot chilli dogs I don't care.
Sonic and Tails were a fun and adorable duo, Knuckles was both intimidating and amusing, Jim Car- I mean, Eggman was as kooky as ever.
That ending fight had me grinning like Joker. Even more with the mid-credits scene.
Finally, someone who doesn’t complain about the whole wedding situation
It is impressive how much sonic stuff they put in, despite having very little to go by, besides terrible quality games. So better than most adaptation.
the games used to be good, until 2010
Thank you for reminding us that [YAKUZA IS A SERIOUS CRIME DRAMA]
I personally liked the movie…
But that’s just the thing, ‘I’. However to somebody like Arlo, the movie was not their cup of tea. I respect either opinions (I don’t respect people attacking each other over a movie).
I also found Sonic 2 to be a fun time core characters were great and the ending had me smiling, but dear lord that bridezilla plotline can burn in hell
Again, I love how everyone is talking about Arlo's review of this film, and yet NO ONE is talking about LS Mark's review of it. Which in my opinion is way worse.
Eh, LS Mark was actually pretty fair to the film and said that even if he found the film personally disappointing he still enjoyed it. It’s just that he made an obviously clickbait-y thumbnail meant to generate negative attention where I take the most issue with.
@@amirgarcia547 IMO I disagree. His take on the film was somewhat more negative to me than most reviews. And on top of that his criticisms were made in bad faith. Like how he criticized the characters (Mainly Tails & Knuckles) for being useless and being given nothing to do. That's just not true if you've actually seen the movie.
THANKYOU!
S'ok to have your opinion(even if its factually wrong) but than your opinion can be scrutinize too. So dont cry on Twitter about it.
I honestly loved this movie!
Also the greatest thing about the Sonic movie is the Sega logo!....WE FINALLY SAW KAZUMA KIRYU ON THE BIG SCREEN
The problem with Arlo I've gotten over time is I feel he's just devolved into a shill channel except for things he could give a rats ass about.
I think you should take some time to watch his second on the subject about the subject. It is a lot shorter than his initial review and he addresses on how he went about his review. He also addressees his own though process on how he went about it and while he still stands by his video, he does reflect on a number of aspects from his own thoughts to the backlash he received and if he could have gone about it differently. I think there are some things you might agree on when he comes to his own self reflections.
I say this because I feel like a number of people are looking at this on the outside looking in and just seeing a guy talk a lot of shit and just leaving at that. To be clear, I don't agree with how he went about his review either. Nobody is above criticisms and I truly believe that. While I think your criticisms were fair, I do think that certain aspects of your video rubbed me the wrong way when it comes to Arlo himself. It kinda felt like you were just so eager to dunk on him like a lot of the other nasty reviewers you've covered in the past. Not accusing you of it, but that I perceived it that way. That could be just me and I can only speak for myself.
"I think there are some things you might agree on when he comes to his own self reflections."
Nope.
" I do think that certain aspects of your video rubbed me the wrong way when it comes to Arlo himself. It kinda felt like you were just so eager to dunk on him like a lot of the other nasty reviewers you've covered in the past. Not accusing you of it, but that I perceived it that way. That could be just me and I can only speak for myself"
It's called... Joking around. If you think that was dunking around or how mean I can be, that is really unfair to assume. These were tame as all hell.
@@Mangakamen So assuming you watched the second video, you don't agree with his reflection that he made some mistakes about how went about his video?
Secondly, It was just my own observations that I felt. Nothing about my opinion is delved in fact, as what can be joking around to you might be fair, to someone else can be taken as a slight. I am not accusing you of being malicious or anything and I am not trying to say that. I am only saying that it made me feel off. It was only my interpretation of the video's jokes. And even if you were, I'm not saying you can't be that way either. It is your video.
I thought my takes was lukewarm at best.
If you want my actual thoughts, his secondary video had a guilt tripping feel to it.
Secondly, I never said anything to infer your takes were over that - You can't infer malice, especially when it's pretty clear that these are harmless jokes.
@@Mangakamen I mean fair enough. At least you watched it. I get how you can see it that way, and while personally I didn't view it with that way, it isn't like his video changed my mind on his take. Even his first video on sonic 1 was a pretty hot take, so I am not going to act like his video on sonic 2 was surprising.
I think it is the way I try to explain my points that invites misinterpretations. That has nothing to do with this, I am just putting that out there. If it sounds like I am putting words into your mouth, I'm not trying to. My point was that it came out to me that you were dunking on him a bit hard and that was only how I saw it, not how you actually did so. Inferring from your words, they were just friendly enough jokes. That wasn't to say that you weren't. Your criticisms are valid. I only wish to express how I saw it.
I do hope that you aren't taking this conversation the wrong way like an attack on your character. I've been a fan for some time, so I'll continue to watch your videos.
@@Yuki_Of_Snow Why You Typing So Much?
Does anyone wants Jon Bernthal to voice movie Shadow the Hedgehog. Cause it make perfect sense.
Either him or Keanu Reeves would be perfect.
i heard someone say they want Adam Driver.
I defend the bar scene in the film as well. Mainly because it was kind of a major bro moment for Sonic and Tails, how Sonic tries to boost up his confidence and builds up the friendship between the two. It is a bit predictable and cliché that they would use Uptown Funk of all songs, when, like many fans complain about with both movies, they could’ve just used any other Sonic track from the previous games, but it was still a fun moment nonetheless.
It also helps with Tails’ character, since he was inspired by Sonic to join him on his adventure, and Sonic helps make him braver by the end of the film when the two of them, along with Knuckles, team up to stop Robotnik.
I agree. Many people that critique this movie often point out nitpicks that don’t make or destroy the movie. It’s like you can’t make a good movie without someone being all, “beh it doesn’t make sense to me because dancing, they’re going to really strange place, and it’s just this character doing this and that, and I didn’t like it.” The wedding plot was hardly ever talked about until the third act and it became the best part of the film by the third act. Sonic doing a dance-off instead of getting the map does not make it a flaw when it works and the dancing worked, it was a lot of fun and it was funny. What I care about is story and characters. It was a great story that worked with memorable characters, whose relationships made sense. Hell, I like how it treated itself like a video game, because this literally is a video game movie. I say if you want to make a video game movie, actually make it feel like you’re watching a video game being played on the big screen.
Personally, I had fun watching it and I don’t even play Sonic.
Went to see this with my friends & we had a blast. Of course there were things thrown in for kids but it didn't take us out of the movie mainly because it had that special charm that makes it so endearing.
All I can say is, as long as you enjoyed yourself in throughout the movie, most of the time; then I'd think it's a good movie. Sometimes, I do find myself trying to put logic into movies, that really isn't a need for(thank you Cinema Sins...), and that ends up making me think the movie is poorly done. Honestly, sometimes you just have to turn off your brain and just enjoy a movie, it wasn't perfect, I didn't care for the B plot, or the dance battle, I feel they could've done something different, but that's just me.
I also do agree with Arlo on the inconsistency of the Sonic's powers/speed. Like, at the first confrontation with Eggman/Knuckles, just a few minutes ago we watch Sonic clean the entire house within seconds, so why is Sonic riding in the police car with Tails, when he could easily just get out, and taking Tails with him, outrun Knuckles? Why couldn't Sonic take the map from the people in the cabin, when we know he could get it in a blink of an eye? (I know you mentioned they needed a place to stay that's warm and to stay in for the night, but why not just use one of the Rings to portal out of that situation, after they get the map, and come back another time, or something? I don't know.) And he does it again, for dodging the barrage of lasers and missiles from the robots in their next confrontation. So, when we get to the part where Eggman is about to steal the Master Emerald...and stops to monologue, Sonic could've EASILY taken it, or pushed Eggman away from it(we could argue that Sonic was tired from his fight with Knuckles, but still, he didn't look THAT tired to just do a quick run only a couple meters away). It's just, seeing it happen on and off, just really ate at me throughout the movie, because it was relevant for the low stakes moments, but never for the high stakes.
I know, I know, movie gotta movie, and if things worked out logically, movie would be over in only about 30 minutes; right? It's just stuff like that will always bother me, when you KNOW what the character is capable of, especially with the stakes as high as they were. Just my thoughts on it all though, I did enjoy the movie, for the most part, and would recommend it to fans of the games, but still some flaws, and minor nitpicks that bugged me. I'm sad they couldn't give us an remixed version of Death Egg Robot theme too; missed opportunity. Either way, I'll still see the third movie as well, and see if we'll get an introduction to Rogue as well(I mean, we got to have her, she's essential to the original plot, as well as GUN).
His Twitter page was a warzone. I just straight up muted him and unsubbed to his channel after his followers had nothing but "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ARLO HE'S RIGHT!" replies bombarded at me. I started out with being civil but it's like they wanted to see my bad side. And you hit the nail on the head with your response to it btw. Used to love the early days of Arlo when his "review copy" reviews were informative and now to see him take such a nosedive sounding so whiny, complaining about a movie beginning to end, and for 50 goddamn minutes, why couldn't he have just made it a ten minute video? Well whatever. His fans claim it's a "baby movie" but it was his idea to go see said "baby movie".
50 minute video gets Arlo more money then a 10 minute one. I'm tired of his followers saying the Sonic fans are harassing him. He is not being harassed he's being called out for stating lies about how the film makers no nothing about Sonic and not paying attention to the film.
@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon Oh right, gotta get that money goin' for his Raycons and whatnot. I wish I cared but since TH-cam likes to pick away at low subscribed channels and remove monetization out of nowhere I'll be leaving here soon anyway.
Sonic 2 will never be one of the greatest films of all time.
But it is - without the doubt - the greatest videogame movie right now .