The Roads to What Started the Civil War
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Not saying you should change your creative process but it might be good to have someone on your team supervise/edit these kinds of videos. While talking about South Carolina, you start saying Virginia, but then come back and start quoting Virginia’s documents later
Ugh! I just caught that. Didn't see it on the rewatch before publication.
Your Cool.
@@roadswithbeau have you ever heard of Ryan Dawson?
He’s also quite the civil war historian…. Look him up on the free side of the internet, as he’s banned in corporate media these days
@@roadswithbeau still very impressed by the quality and quantity of content that you and the team do make though! Just to be clear.
Beau I knew what you were saying.
I grew up in southwest Virginia. We hiked the battlefields and learned all about the noble struggle and the economic freedoms and the heroes of the South.
Then I moved to Albuquerque in 10th grade. And Mr Agere encouraged me to finish those sentences. "A state's right to do what? An economic system based on what?" And he handed me a copy of the founding documents of the Confederacy... which, wouldn't you know it, I was never exposed to in the Virginia education system.
Thank you, Mister Agere, you were a wonderful history teacher.
Love this comment. Having grown up in Alabama and then moving to Colorado. I understand. Colorado was by no means perfect( just ask the Mexican migrants and citizens) but at least all kinds of discussions were and are encouraged not to be suppressed .
I love the giving of credit to good teachers where it is due!
literally took a left turn at Albuquerque 😀
@@DrewDesign In the origin of that phrase left was the correct direction to have gone. Kinda sad that the ones that are factually correct are pretty exclusively viewed as left-wing when it shouldn't be partisan at all
@@denisesatt7044I just had the opposite. I moved from Colorado to Texas and seemed to be thrown into a time warp.
I’m a black man and I have always appreciated this channel. This gentleman is an honest man and all of his content shows that. He exemplifies a real American 🙏🏿❤️👊🏿
What is a real American?
Someone who wants freedom for all, believes in sharing the truth about our United States, and takes action to help others understand these truths and make us all better citizens.
@@IthacaDonexactly
@@blueshirtman8875 this guy right here.
What is slavery? Aren't people in worst shape under the oppressive socialist regime called bidenomics.
Nikki Haley should be listening in on this one.
In short order, this is how this history lesson needs to be taught. Thank you Beau!
This is what played for me after the clip of her blowing up her campaign
5th at the 5th Column. 🏆
If Haley watched this video she would stick her fingers in her ears and shout "la la la I can't hear you!".
Reposted to her FB page…
She doesn't want to anger her potential voters in the South? Although why that would anger them I don't even know.
"Those who do no learn from history are doomed to repeat it." "Those who suppress history intend to repeat it."
YES!!!!
The victor's write the history that is taught in school.
@@TheGuitarRebEXCEPT when it comes to the US CIVIL WAR. The former confederacy WROTE an alternate version to historical facts. THAT"S where the STATES RIGHTS argument came from, and MOST OF THOSE STATUES OF CSA Generals were erected by the ALL-WHITE Daughters of the Confederacy, long after the war was over.
"... the roughly 700 Confederate monuments in the United States tell a national story. Many of these commemorations of those on the losing side of the Civil War are a lot newer than one might think.
According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which maintains a list of these monuments, the memorials are spread over 31 states plus the District of Columbia-far exceeding the 11 Confederate states that seceded at the outset of the Civil War.
Most of these monuments did not go up immediately after the war’s end in 1865. During that time, commemorative markers of the Civil War tended to be memorials that mourned soldiers who had died, says Mark Elliott, a history professor at University of North Carolina, Greensboro.
The History of Confederate Monuments in the U.S. “Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.
In contrast to the earlier memorials that mourned dead soldiers, these monuments tended to glorify leaders of the Confederacy like General Robert E. Lee, former President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis and General “Thomas Stonewall” Jackson.
“All of those monuments were there to teach values to people,” Elliott says. “That’s why they put them in the city squares. That’s why they put them in front of state buildings.” Many earlier memorials had instead been placed in cemeteries.
The values these monuments stood for, he says, included a “glorification of the cause of the Civil War.”
White women were instrumental in raising funds to build these Confederate monuments. The United Daughters of the Confederacy, founded in the 1890s, was probably the most important and influential group, Elliott says.
In fact, the group was responsible for creating what is basically the Mount Rushmore of the Confederacy: a gigantic stone carving of Davis, Lee and Jackson in Stone Mountain, Georgia. Its production began in the 1910s, and it was completed in the 1960s.
By then, the construction of new Confederate monuments had begun to taper off, but the backlash to the Civil Rights Movement was spreading Confederate symbols in other ways: In 1956, Georgia redesigned its state flag to include the Confederate battle flag; and in 1962, South Carolina placed the flag atop its capitol building. In a 2016 report, the Southern Poverty Law Center said that the country’s more than 700 monuments were part of roughly 1,500 symbols of the Confederacy in public spaces."
Those who manipulate history for their own gain are a**holes.
NO. The Daughter's of the Confederacy wrote the history that is taught in most places.
Never has oppressor spread such a tale of victimhood or the loser of the war dominated the history.@@TheGuitarReb
As a Southern woman, born and raised in Alabama, I'm SO TIRED of my fellow citizens (majority Reps) whose delicate feelings are so hurt by the TRUTH: Our forefathers were on the wrong side. WE LOST. THANK GOD! My self esteem is not dependent on my "heritage".
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Well said!
They're snowflakes who want to Cancel the Truth. Every Republican accusation is actually a confession
But Surly,"The sins of the father" etc
Democrats started the first one and lost. Democrats wanna the second and will lose that one too.
As a history professor, I assigned these documents, often had them read aloud in class. Students were always shocked, SHOCKED, to discover it was all about slavery. They did not learn that in high school.
What do they think it was about? I am a foreigner but I read a lot of novels. I read North and South when I was in high school. In speech classes the Gettysburg address and I have a dream are always cited and they strongly hint at slavery (the proposition that all men are created equal and the rest strongly infer that there's fighting for that idea to be upheld). What do American students read? How can they not know?
I remember attending school in Alabama back in the early 60s and they always said the Civil War was caused by "Federal rights versus States rights". My father was in the military and when he was assigned overseas (between Vietnam tours), I would attend Department of Defense Dependent Schools and THERE I received an eye opening education: Alabama educators had been lying to me. They didn't dance around the issue, we got the truth - backed by the documents. Odd how DoDDS was a better school system than what existed in the US south back then. When we returned to the US (my father headed back to Vietnam) I found out I was three years ahead of my classmates in public schools in the US. It was an interesting experience. I have no idea what DoDDS is like today but back then it was a very good experience.
I learned that slavery was the cause of the Civil War in elementary school. Perhaps teachers in your school should have mentioned it before high school.
I learned about the states rights bs when I saw Gettysburg the movie.
In England the cotton mill workers refused to handle cotton picked by slaves and wrote a letter of support to Lincoln. Many mill workers were starving and destitute as a result but they stood fast with their anti-slavery stance. They certainly knew the civil war was all about slavery.
I’ve never met a person from the south who had been taught that the civil war was started over slavery. The reason is because ..the daughters of the confederacy immediately after the civil was lost, circled the wagons and created an alternative history. This was and is taught in every southern school. They even got it into the curriculum in many northern schools!
Why am I 72 years old but never knew these documents existed? I’ll be talking with my grandkids today and make sure they aren’t kept as ignorant of these docs as I was. Thank you Beau for catching me up on what I should have learned in gradeschool.
That's really great of you. He was referencing the Articles of Secession of various states, if that helps you know what to look for more specifically.
Best of luck, and thank you for trying to do better by them than others did by you!
I think she knows but does not want to upset her followers
Thank you for educating your young ones. From a Florida-educated 30 year old veteran who never heard a peep about the Statements of Reasons until I was an adult, thank you.
@@susanmiller8156 "she" Do you mean Nikki? Who removed the confederate flag from the capital of SC when she was governor?
@@quintrankid8045 Do you mean someone who barely did the absolute rock bottom bare minimum decades after the fact? The one who couldn't even answer this elementary school question with a shred of honesty or with an objectively true statement? That woman?
How did I go through 73 years as a citizen of this country without hearing these documents?? You have done a tremendous service to your fellow Americans. Kudos to you. You are profoundly appreciated ❤
I'm in my 60's and ... the same.
You can thank the syrupy Lost Cause mythology which buried any contrary facts deep or whitewashed them for over a century.
Maybe he should have mentioned the 4 states that made no mention at all of slavery in their succession documents.
Naaaaa... That would have ruined the video...
Exactly....cultural amnesia. Ask a modern high school aged German about WWII. They aren't even taught the full extent of the holocaust. Japanese aren't taught about Manchuria. It is imperative as a collective that we review the complete past or it will be repeated.
@@Jreb1865 😒
As a Black American, I must say "THANK YOU," Mr. Beau. You help make AMERICA BETTER. You won't stop the INTENTIONAL DENIAL, of THE RACIST ASPECTS of AMERICAN HISTORY, being spread, but your willingness to help challenge this insanity, is super admirable. Me & my Ancestors, say, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. Peace & Blessings Sir.
Amen to that, and I agree!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
As an American who happens to be black
@@tramainebass3371 WHAT??? "WE," were "BLACK," / "AFRICANS," long before "WE," were "AMERICAN." It was the "MELANIN," that got us through the SUNS "HOTTEST DAYS, MONTHS & YEARS," of BRUTAL, HARD WORK, SWEAT & TEARS. During those 250 years, of TERRORIST SUBJUGATION our FREE LABOR contributed to the BUILDING OF AMERICA, it didn't automatically, make us "AMERICAN." Our SURVIVAL SKILLS,, INTELLIGENCE, HARD WORK, FORTITUDE & DETERMINATION, to OVERCOME, that TERRIBLE SUBJUGATION is the ONLY REASON, "WE," are AMERICAN. We didn't just "HAPPEN TO BE BLACK." We were handpicked on AUCTION BLOCKS to "BUILD AMERICA," "BECAUSE" we were "BLACK." Just read the ARTICLES OF THE CONFEDERATES.
I wish more people in the South were like Beau --- this country would be in a lot better shape!
@@kerzytibok3211 I met a lot of people like my guy. However, what I have seen is that Americans who are white, who don’t have a racist bone in their body (figuratively speaking), are pressured into having conversations about what their ancestors have done. Mind you, most white people did not have slaves and (believe or not) were not all for the war. More importantly, why do blacks feel the need to make others feel guilty for things they (Americans who are black) can take ownership of and fix themselves? A lot of the so called needed conversations are based off of circular reasoning.
The tone of the guy who asked the question was very "Please just give an answer that's grounded in reality enough for me to feel okay voting for a Republican" and she still failed HARD.
Does Nikki get any credit for removing the Confederate flag from the capital of SC when she was governor?
@@quintrankid8045 Not nearly as much after this answer.
@@norman_james455; Yeah, she just flushed that credit. An old man once told me, "It only takes one aw f*** to wipe away a million atta-boys".
@@quintrankid8045 You know, you could spend your entire life feeding the homeless, bringing presents to orphans... but you get caught having sex with one goat and suddenly you're that "old goat f*cker." And Nikki never spent any time feeding the homeless or giving presents to orphans...
@@quintrankid8045 On a 0.0 to 4.0 scale: Removing the flag 1.5-bare minimum to pass
Her answer here: 0.0.
Gradep point average: Fail
I got into this debate a bunch with coworkers years ago, I had to PRINT THE ARTICLES out and show people to make them believe me. It was worth it.
Good job! 👍
Lucky you; when I show someone a direct T×××× quote I get "That's not what he meant."
I'm sure cognitive dissonance kicked in for a few of them lol
Anyone checked our the Daughter's of the Revolution 's articles? Wonder if any of those "signers" relatives and their women in politics? Wouldn't that be interesting to find out.
Similar on my end. I literally stood there and made the most adamant coworker read the cornerstone speech and he went "oh my God I had no idea. This changes a lot"
I’m a white man born in Mississippi in 59 and I applaud Beau making this video. He shows the truth of our history instead of the propaganda of racists trying to distort it. We must come together with our brothers of all colors and build our democracy together. God bless you, Beau. Keep up the good work.
Respect!!! ✊🏿✊🏽✊️✊🏻
A great song by Otis Redding.@@MamaTreNiner
@TheGuitarReb I'm impressed, not many know that fact!!!🏆
Well Aretha Franklin stole that song from "Big O" but he didn't mind at all.
Now listen Mama, I'm from that generation and I'm Lilly WHITE! Also a big fan of James Brown & the Famous Flames among many of the old R&B artist's.
I get so sick of this racist shit just because I wave my rebel flag and Great Grand Daddy was a Confederate. They were poor farmers and the 3 slaves they had all lived in the same house with my Great grand parents . There were 10 children and we didn't go to war until the Yankees hung the neighbor from a tree. I'm purely sick of all this war was about slavery. The North just wanted to divide us Southern people and put a boot on our necks. It's still going on today.@@MamaTreNiner
It's not a democracy y'all prove that with the last election it's a Republic under God get it Wright Dern
Almost every topic conservatives try to "debate" are undebatable.
Yep. That's why I don't usually waste the time or effort and either ignore all of them, or unleash a few expletives to brighten my own day up. But no one who chooses intentional ignorance to the point where it's like they're living in another universe gets any attention at all.
They inhabit an insane reality that doesn't exist.
Trying to rewrite history or just ignore it by not learning what happened and why. This is why we are flirting with having our own real life dictator. If you don't learn from the past YOU WILL repeat it.
They all know that to be a fact and if there’s a way to run away they’d blow by Usain Bolt likes he’s not the greatest sprinter to ever live!!
They love to smugly say "the United States is not a democracy" again, with no context, as if to say what? It's OK to have a totalitarian form of government? Slavery is cool? It's all innuendo because they think they're better and smarter and most of the time they have no idea what they're talking about. They just parrot the propaganda they are fed everywhere these days, including most of the ads on TH-cam.
I was young and now I am almost old and I never thought we would still be debating the cause of the civil war.
The nation was founded on racism and nothing has changed.
I was young once and thought that racism would die with the old racists. Now i’m old and still waiting.
Dude I am old and seeing this and shite like trump, flat earth and we didnt go to the moon get traction……
We gotta get the lead outta our water or something.
That's what kills me. There is absolutely no debate in the Civil War. The only people who pretend there are are people that I can and will immediately write the hell right off.
I'm personally both amazed and more than a little disgusted by how little has actually changed in my lifetime. When you start going back to the Civil War, or the Founding documents, or the truth behind American mythology, and realizing how little has actually changed starts deserving its own bottle of whiskey to make sightly more tolerable.
ODD .time line problem's ..... The Confederate constitution was 1861-2 .. War Started [shooting ] 1860 ..... 1863 Emancipation Proclamation ...hummm bit of problem
Dont forget annexation and genocide
When I was young I thought the Civil war was about slavery.
When I was little older I thought the Civil war was about complex social economic reasons.
Now I know all those complex social economic reasons where all about slavery.
Interesting take. As slavery was essential to the wealth of southern elites, the conflict between the north and the south would have inevitably included slavery, however that conflict may have been induced.
That was how the Civil War was taught to me on the West Coast.
In Elementary School, it was slavery.
In High School, it was to preserve the union and the reasons were more complex.
In College, it was slavery. The High School factors were linked to slavery.
@@MrSunrise- Induced by abolitionists who wanted people to be free? Is that the implication, or is the comment another attempt at saying it's not the South's fault for the war?
@@MrSunrise- the "best" thing is that shortly before the war really kicked off, the union actually offered the southern States a compromise to fully protect slavery in their states indefinitely. It just wouldn't be allowed to spread further
I am a 6th gen Texan, who's family fought for the south and fought in the Texas Rev. My only distant relative Sam Houston owned slaves (who he paid and educated). He did not want to be leave the Union and was impeached as governor for his stance. Still, most of my ancestors did not own slaves and yet fought. I am stunned as to why they risked their lives and family safety for a rich man's cognitive distortion of his "property". Keep telling this story and the cornerstone speech explains it so clearly. Thank you!!
I'm sure the politicians in the South used fear tactics to scare the population into believing that their world would crash if slavery was abolished. And, in fact, they were probably right -- the South couldn't compete without free labor.
Well if we look to the Nueces massacre we can see at some point the confederates had a draft, so some of your ancestors might not have had a choice or they could have ended up like those poor Germans in Texas.
Kinda like I am stunned so many simple minded people can fall for Trump's Con on them and America! Like the can't recognize the liar of all liars, a malignant narcissist, a adulterer and woman abuser/ shamer, a grifter compromised by a foreign enemy. Yes, I am amazed too, but not when it comes to Republicans. They have been filled with hate forever!
This is fascinating. I'm intrigued that you know this about your family. Thank you for sharing. More of these stories need to be lifted up to provide a fuller picture.
@@johnchristianson515Never heard of those massacres. About to do some research. Thank you.
I LOVE when the southern states talk about 'oppression' while simultaneously justifying the enslavement of people.
Sadly, I'm in Pennsylvania, and far too often hear adults, men in my demographic, claim they are being oppressed, being held down, and THEIR rights are being taken away so "those others" can get more rights then they themselves ever had, and that "they" are the ones who fought for the rights and freedom in this country.
Consider this.... the Confederacy claims that it was about states' rights.
Then, we can go with the US Constitution. Take a look at Article 4, section 2. I'll do a copy paste.
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
Who was this "Person"? Why did this person need to "escape"?
Then, look at the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793. (I always have to look up dates. )
SEC. 3. And be it also enacted, That when a person held to labor in any of the United States, or in either of the Territories on the Northwest or South of the river Ohio, under the laws thereof, shall escape into any other part of the said States or Territory, the person to whom such labor or service may be due, his agent or attorney, is hereby empowered to seize or arrest such fugitive from labor... There's more...Remember, there were free states up there in the North and the territories were not quite codified. see Dred Scott case.
Then, we have another Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Because of course it was for "state's rights" right? (lots and lots of sarcasm)
Oh.. and look up "personal liberty laws". I copy and pasted.. I'm so nice.
"In the context of slavery in the United States, the personal liberty laws were laws passed by several U.S. states in the North to counter the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850. Different laws did this in different ways, including allowing jury trials for escaped slaves and forbidding state authorities from cooperating in their capture and return. States with personal liberty laws included Connecticut, Massachusetts, Michigan, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Vermont."
Do we see parallels in modern courts (say the Taney court - dredd scott decision with the Roberts court- hand waves at all the rulings that strip people of their rights)? do we see the same dance where conservatives have no problem imposing federal bans if they can't get state bans? Republicans are the confederates and ... they shouldn't be allowed in the US. They shouldn't be considered Americans. they should be considered traitors. Enemies. They can cry and wave a white flag because I'm mean. I don't really care.
Kinda like 'Land of the Free' using portraits of slavers as US National currency.
Some people just don’t do irony.
It’s a lot the same mentality as their current arguments about oppression- they are mad they have less freedom to restrict the freedom of others. They can’t oppress minority groups, and somehow that makes THEM less free.
Hey Nikki...slavery is bad and wrong...there I said it. And I'll stand by that , period. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Ty for this
New Hampshire, the Live Free or Die state ❤
@sherribarman915 I'm in my 50s...hoped we'd be better humans by now. But I raised a good one... who partnered up with another good one, having a couple more good humans...so still hopeful. On a long enough timeline, we will get there. Blessings in t his new year to you.
GA here. Although I always believed that the Civil War was begun over slavery, this is the first time I've heard the content of the Confederacy founding documents (primary evidence). Worse that I could ever have believed. They should be read in every history and political science class.
@@StopWhining491 Pick a Confederate state, read its Secession documents, and be amazed at just how blatant every single one of them were. Black people weren't really fully people as far as they were concerned, so they didn't try to hide or pretty anything up.
Beau, when you said, "The fact that this is still a disussion is because we don't teach history properly." This is spot on and exactly right! Slavery was the thread that ran through all this other stuff ... slavery WAS the economy.
No. Slavery was not the entire economy, even in the South.
A few discrete areas were plantation agriculture dominant like Louisiana sugar area, lower Alabama ("black belt"), the emerging "Delta" of Mississippi and coastal South Carolina.
@willbass2869 still denying? The secession statements will correct your limited knowledge
@@powerpace1 those politicians spoke for those self same plantation owners.....duh!
Exactly
When Louisiana succeeded from the Union, it went from being 1of the richest states to one of the poorest...and it never recovered. Could say the same about Mississippi
As a child of the South and one of heritage where my Great Grandmother’s father owned slaves and she often told me as a child that the war stripped our family of wealth for its future generations. I find it difficult to believe that others in the world could ever claim it was not about slavery. The energy of resentment and feeling cheated still exists underneath it all. So when many people of the south hear Make America Great Again, it resonates far deeper than they themselves even realize. Energy is never destroyed, it only changes form. I am in my 70s now and have fought my entire life to escape this energy of stigma and to teach my children that the heritage of any generation lies within. Create a heritage of love acceptance and compassion and all other things they seek will follow. ❤
Well said. Thank you for taking the time to post.
Ironic that she once governed the state that was the very first to secede (on Christmas Eve), and failed to articulate even the most basic insights of their reasoning, including that the prevailing view was that slavery was justified under the Christian religion, and thus those who viewed slavery as being immoral were opposed to Christianity itself.
States Rights is a code phrase for property owners rights and always has been
Anyone who has ever read their declaration of secession and tried to pretend there was ever anything more deserves worse than It could write out in a TH-cam comment. It takes an almost magical amount of delusion to pretend the Civil War was ever about anything different.
🎯🎯 "right to keep and hold Another Human as a Slave to whims.."
The confederates were sure very much in the wrong as to their theological justifications for slavery, along with any other argument they tried to pose. I'm reminded of the many Christian abolitionist movements of that time, who were a bit more aware and accurate as to what was being said in the Bible, and the context it was written in.
As a non-Christian who has nevertheless read the bible, I have some sympathy for this confusion. After all, the Old Testament at least is full of exhortations to massacre and enslave the various tribes inhabiting the ''Promised Land''. If I were religious, I too might conclude that ''God wanted it that way''. Since I refuse to believe that the Creator of Everything would be so petty as to favour one group of people over another, the only other explanation is that the bible was written by a bunch of murderers, rapists and slave-owners, who excused their actions by claiming that God told them to do it.
@@kayew5492 When it comes to the conquests of Canaan, only a few cities were completely destroyed, which lines up with archaeological records. The whole land and all of it's people were not depopulated. The Israelites certainly didn't rape the Canaanites. I am curious if you went to a theologian or biblical scholar after you read the Bible to get a sense of it. There's a lot of hyperbole and cultural context in there that our modern day perceptions might not quite get right.
Even though I was taught that slavery was the reason for the civil war, this was still educational. Hearing the words from the primary documents made me freeze in disgust for the whole video. It's also deeply, deeply disturbing that so many people, especially politicians, deny these facts today.
Yeah, same. Hearing that this was actually *WRITTEN DOWN* in their founding documents....like, wth was wrong with people??? Who thought that was okay and a good idea??? Smh.
@danniballecter7936 re: "what yhe hell is wrong with people?" Capitalism. Capitalism demands endless profit. Line goes up. You know who is really easy to profit off of? Workers you don't have to pay.
My high school in Orange County CALIFORNIA (around 1979-80) taught us that the Civil War was about states rights . Slavery was just useful Northern propaganda, according to our teacher.
Point taken! As my father stressed to me over and over, read, read, read ! History is fascinating and requires you to question, think and seek answers. Old school studying still works.
@@MrM-hl1vpit was about money. All wars start with needing money or just selfish dogs. Always money goods
In 1976, the Bicentennial, I had to do a class project on the founding of this country. I was in 5th grade. It was assigned in September of '75 and due in April of '76. Lots of trips to the library for research. The following year we researched the Civil War. We had to read through those documents in the library. It was devastating to see that written down. It was there for all to see. Our assignment was brutal because our teacher wanted us to write from both points of view. Very few of us were able to. She passed all of us because we all learned what we were supposed to. The only reason for the Civil War was slavery.
And all the “other” reasons stemmed directly from it - and were not separate reasons. (Eg, so called states rights, economic reasons, etc…)
@@dino0228 I hate to say this but those problems did not stem from slavery. Those issues existed from the very founding of our country. That's how taxes came to be. The "states rights" phrase was created by the UDoC and forced into school textbooks. Over 20 years after the civil war. The United Daughters of the Confederacy's mission to was mask the South's actual role in the war and novelize their defeat. All of those military bases named after confederates and statues came from them. Stone Mountain Georgia I believe was the real last hurrah for them. Vice President Spiro Agnew even commemorated that mountain. A twisted version of Mt. Rushmore.
You were the better for it. That's why we study history. To learn to do better.
@@jeffeastwood1051'so called states rights' is what they said. They are saying the excuses that some people have used to somehow downplay slavery in relation to the Civil War. Indeed States Rights were a thing from the start of the country until now. But the 'so called states rights' is a red herring and dog whistle as well when used by people to create a debate to thereby pander to whites. It's a scheme to whittle away at the progress of non-whites. It's worked wonderfully in brainwashing millions.
Man. I saw the beard. Heard the accent. And fell into the trap and pre judged how this would likely go.
I was wrong. You are a national treasure my friend.
Haley really passed the test of being a Confederate sympathizer without actually saying the words "I am a Confederate sympathizer".
... or just another pandering grifter that will say whatever it takes.
It's not just her. You got marj screaming state rights and we need a seperate the states.
@@murfmurf313 Oh that's definitely a part of it. But I don't believe in letting grifters slither out of their scam.
@@elmersglue6259 Well Marj isn't all there. And she has said some absurd things in the past. But Haley who is running for President should "know better" (not a high bar, i know). So it's rather concerning and pathetic to hear her basically give the game away here.
Why is Haley trying so hard to be a Daughter of the Confederacy?
I'm a history buff, and this surprised me. Not the role of slavery, but the blatant language in the founding documents. Thanks for this episode!
I remember the first time I read them in a junior level history course IN COLLEGE. I knew slavery was *a* cause of the war. I never knew it had been so clearly laid out as THE cause by the confederates themselves.
The thing is, the people who supported slavery were REALLY into it. They genuinely believed it was good, right, necessary, and the result of following the laws of nature. They didn't shy away from talking about it. They clung to it for good reason - it was the basis of not just the entire economy, but the social structure as well. Banning slavery was a massive threat to their wealth, way of life, and worldview. That's why they were willing to die to keep it.
@@pendlera2959 The elite had a lot of reasons to believe - it was directly in their interest. What was the motivation of the regular people, the soldiers? The first is just self-interest. The latter is just depressing. You can recognize it in the worst aspects of today's politics.
@@carlkaufman2429you could always made a poor soldier feel better by pointing at the field slaves and reminding him he could be the one in their place. But tell him he's better by the Grace of God and he'll throw his life away for the cause. Pretty scary stuff
@@aazhie "you could always made a poor soldier feel better by pointing at the field slaves and reminding him he could be the one in their place. But tell him he's better by the Grace of God and he'll throw his life away for the cause."
I agree with that. Reading it illuminated the issue from another perspective: Instead of slavery, maybe the main cause of the Civil War was religion.
Beau , I’m an Australian with a passing interest in US history.
Even with my limited knowledge on the civil law, I read the “Cornerstone Speech” many years ago along with much of the States declarations you have just mentioned.
With respect, too many Americans have chosen ignorance as a career path.
Willful ignorance = stupidity
@@akiram6609 I would say that willful ignorance = evil. "Stupidity" is too kind. There is evil intent in the willful nature.
While I generally agree with you, I think it is also important to note that the education system in many areas of the United States is EXTREMELY poor. Both in financial support as well as actual quality. Many of the ignorant aren't actually willfully ignorant. They are trapped in a cycle of low information education systems that focus on social indoctrination around the edges, and it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle. We must break this cycle by attempting outreach whenever and however possible (like this TH-cam channel for example). Making information equitable and accessible is how you change destructive cultural paradigms.
Only closet bigots from the South who maintain their convenient truth about African-Americans and proudly fly the Confederate flag (even the confederate flag’s designer stated blatantly what it stood for). “As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race…
As a national emblem, it (the Confederate flag) is significant of our higher cause, the cause of the superior race."
F that!
Retired teacher here, and yes, the confederate founding papers and primary sources should be taught.
I am a native of the Commonwealth of Virginia, who learned much of this in high school 50 years ago. I learned a lot more in my first year of college. The reason we have this issue is that we DO NOT teach enough American History.
Thank you for this post, Beau. I'm saving it to share with anyone who denies slavery was the cause of that terrible war, and who believe the statues of traitors should be left in place.
In the south it was intentionally taught this way. States rights. States rights. I was this old minus about 4 years when someone online said which states rights? Why didn’t they support the states rights of the states that refused to return slaves? Another person said, follow the money. Bam. Then someone said look at the articles of cessation. I didn’t even know they existed. Yep, paragraph 3 after some preamble stuff, they got right to it. Then said God gave them the right to own the neighbors. I have to say, Georgia really got to the point, Texas was a little slower about it. Get on school boards and textbook review boards. It’s been bad and they want to make it worse. 45 had multiple cabinet members that “mispoke” Holocaust denial tropes. How did they get away with calling those misspeaks? Now she’s denying our own homegrown Holocaust.
Or maybe we don't teach enough history BECAUSE we have this issue?
@@UkeCan1 That's it. There it is. It doesn't fit the Lost Cause Narrative and the romanticization of antebellum south... so.... Throw it out! It's about Heritage, It's about States Rights! It's about Non-Interference! It's about... and yeah... start asking which ones, and then point them to the exact words... and blam... the stuttering and stammering and the mental gymnastics they try to do... ugh.
The Daughters of the Confederacy did a lot of damage...misplaced pride did the rest. Add in a dash of good ol' fashioned racism (and the legacy therein) and you've got every reason to falsify your own history...and maybe even believe that narrative yourself.
@UkeCan1 Just the way DeSantis cannot handle people learning real facts, except it was happening long before he was ever born.
Nikki’s main doners seem to be very interested in indentured servants and such. She is so anti worker it’s terrifying to me that she is even considered a viable candidate.
Sadly that is why she is a viable candidate. She is a well funded corporate tool. I found it laughable that she mentioned capitalism and freedom in her answer while ignoring an institution was based on no freedom for a certain group. Capitalism and greed is one of the root cause of slavery but here she is dressing it up prettily while ignoring its ugly history. It's sort like her she is dressed up to look pretty but underneath it she is empty opportunist and puppet for corporations. The choice of puppet is mild there is another ugly term I could use to describe her
I grew up in the South and heard the states' rights and taxation arguments and other claims that the "war between the states" was not about slavery. It astonishes me how eagerly and willingly my own friends and family members lied to me and to themselves.
I think as we get further from major political identifiers with "The South" such as the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's, there will be less of an association/loyalty to the South as a whole.
The thing I don’t get about southerners is how eager they are to make this their personality, heritage, culture, etc. They could say yeah this happened 150 years ago, it doesn’t define me or my family, and go from there, but instead they make that their identity and therefore have to defend the indefensible
@@Lucretia916 Weird... I've never heard anyone from the present day South defend slavery in any way. That's just ludicrous... Obviously, wherever you're from there's nothing to be proud of, and thus must denigrate others because of it.
@@Jreb1865 I’ve actually encountered some of that but what I meant was them defending the confederacy and their cause in the civil war. I’m not from anywhere I should be proud of and neither is any American :)
The he big reason people weren’t thought this was the Daughters of the confederacy making sure they White washed the history.
The Bigger reason is that we still have an outsourced Slave economy today. People trapped into spending over half of their income for simple shelter. The serf then later slave economy is the basis of our capitalist economy where rich get richer from the labor of the working class that has less and less spending and political power. The current conservative capitalist know this and see it as a threat to their current way of life just as the slaveholding southerners did. The KKK and segregation laws were so that poor whites and blacks wouldn’t be able to get together to take power away from them.
Beau, you are objectively one of the top ten voices of truth and reason on TH-cam. Thank you for all you give!
Well done Beau! As a foreigner, I knew it was about slavery but not the details. It always amazes me that US citizens know less about their own country than the rest of the world does. This needs to be shown everywhere
#NotAllUSCitizens in fact not even a majority. slavery as the cause of the civil war is a well known fact for most Americans. Although there is a shockingly large percentage that would subscribe to this what we would call "lost cause" mythology. Mostly centered in the southern states and in questionable subreddits.
It was not "North and South"
It was Democrat states and Republican States.
Democrats owned slaves. Republicans freed them.
Was thinking the same thing, am from the UK and as soon as I read the title I was like "over slavery wasn't it?"
Most Americans absolutely know the MAIN cause of the civil war was the right to own other humans. It's just in certain states, (guess which ones?) have and are continuing to try to white wash that true history.
It's not always that Americans don't know their history, sometimes Americans refuse to acknowledge their history. Additionally, there are always people who actively try and re-write history, hence the glorifying Confederate Statues erected after the war.
Another takeaway is that the Confederacy made it clear that they believed slavery was justified by slaveholders' economic interests.
There has been a recurring claim amongst my older family friends that the Union was fighting a war for the rich manufacturers in the North.
I always argued the opposite, that the Confederacy was fighting a war to preserve the wealth and power of the elite, the southern aristocry, who monopolized wealth and political power in the southern US.
Prior to the Civil War Mississippi was one of if not the richest state in the Union.
The 'rich manufacturers in the North' at least paid the people who worked for them.
@@SynchroScore Whose cotton did they buy?
@@anamericaninamericavotesbluethe cotton mostly went to Britain. Think of The South as a variant of those Caribbean Islands that fed the British economy with raw materials.
@@francesconicoletti2547 yes but the North bought their cotton from the South and sold their mfg. goods back to the South.
I'm 67 years old, a product of the Chicago Public Schools, and we learned this in 5th grade. How this is still even a question is beyond me.
It really isn't. Full stop. There's just a certain, very predictable political sideshow that likes to pretend that debates can change reality. That if you debate really well under a false premise or assumption, that premise or assumption magically becomes true.
I started reading the Articles of Secession on my own more than 20 years ago. I was raised in a state with a great education system at the time, so there was never any debate as far as I was concerned period. But reading those documents told me exactly how ignorant those clowns really are, how much actual history they choose to ignore for their preferred myths. And life is too short to waste it in the company of people like that IMO. So I started writing those folks right off, and life has only gotten sweeter ever since.
At 68, and a product of Maryland public ed, I couldn't agree more with your "How?"
Many of the people educated after us, were being taught during the 'no student left behind' eras. History became a side subject, like civics and geography. Everything mainly centered around reading, math, science levels to pass those tests. Everything else became secondary to those tests, including (especially) teaching students critical thinking skills.
You've got me beat by a year, I'm 67 and learned that slavery was the root cause of the US Civil War in grade 6 - oh yeah, I'm Canadian and grew up in in a remote town of fewer than 50,000 people.
Because there has been a deliberate effort to roll back the gains of the Civil Rights era.
Thank you for this - and for relying on the primary sources and stating the case so succinctly. There are so many false debates in our society today, but few are more persistent and damaging than the myth that "the Civil War was not about slavery."
God, I wish this was mandatory teaching in high school. Thanks Beau.
It was with AOP. Guy's just being a high horse rider.
Need to start from preschool
Tell a friend
This episode should be required viewing for all students K-12 and in every university. There's no excuse for Americans being so ignorant of their own history. Thanks, Beau!
The number of people that would melt down over this being done makes me cackle gleefully... especially since most of them are most likely the ones busy calling other people snowflakes for simply trying to normalize being decent to other humans.
Someday, I hope!
So many are WILLFULLY ignorant about this, but it's still not a majority.
@@greymane_gaming3435
Those prancing jello bowls put PragurU up in the real actual curriculum.
They have no mercy from me on what should or should not be taught.
They have a sad one seed rattle on their shoulders, and those dry gourds need watering.
Agreed. But some school districts are going with "educational" materials from Praeger U.
Slavery is still going on LEGALLY within your prison systems. That needs to be brought out into your public dialogue. This is especially serious since there's a disproportionate amount of African Americans incarcerated (often without hope for minor --even false charges) to spend the rest of their lives in these revenue-producing mills.
It's being extended to forced pregnancy for women and girls.
@@cindytripp Freedom-loving America is driving itself backward into some kind of willing serfdom under tyranny. Elections matter. Vote BLUE all the way until this crisis is averted.
Those are just the unlucky slaves who don’t get a say in day to day life. The rest of us are slaves to the system with a little freedom to enjoy materials
This discussion has and is still being had.
That's because the confederates won
Thanks for sharing Beau. Being a person of color I have heard colleagues in the south try and rationalize the Civil War to be about “states rights “ and sovereignty. This misrepresentation has been passed down to them for generations by their white southern ancestors. The churches in America also looked the other way and used religion to suppress and justify immoral behavior and laws. They would hold to this mystique of southern nostalgia without ever acknowledging the original sin of this country and the lingering effects upon American to this day. History teachers in K-12 during the late 70’s and 80’s would skip over explaining and discussing the Civil War for what it was. Thank God I had parents who made sure I truly understood and nurtured my curiosity about American history. My history teachers never once mentioned that Black Union soldiers occupied towns in the counties I grew up in and near. History whitewashed. I could go to the US Post Offices in my home town and see pictures black slaves during harvest in the antebellum south with overseers and plantation owner looking on. Many white southerners don’t want to acknowledge that their ancestors were on the wrong side of history and God’s Word. I would often ask them to imagine role reversal and them conversations end. The south’s “lost cause” narrative was meant to rewrite history. The Daughters of the Confederacy spent the first 50 years after the civil war influencing school books and erecting “false” historical markers around the nation, glorifying those who rebelled and were treasonous.
"states rights" to own slaves
@@Mugdorna that is exactly what they wanted to continue doing but hide behind Christianity and their self righteousness to justify it. They themselves were the descendants of people oppressed in Europe and they export it to the Americas. Their ultimate goal was to leave the Union to avoid paying taxes on the spoils of slavery and slave trade. The planter class the exploits all of the poor and low educated people to believe that it was also in their best interest when in actuality slavery hurt poor whites. It kept wages low. (Does this sound like today’s GOP and MAGA?)
@@Mugdornaand that’s why their was a civil war and the confederates lost. Any attempt to re-enslave negros in America will be cause for another civil war whether that’s mandated by state, federal, or other laws. You use policy and the penal system to enslave negros now; however, there is a God. And, you will pay for every evil evil vile deed and treatment against The Most High’s people.
"White people can't take the heat." In the metaphorical sense, many can't.
Love it when you bring "receipts". I homeschooled my child in Florida, and at one homeschool conference they were teaching that the civil war was NOT about slavery. So. Wow.
Yes, and if you think about, it's impossible to understand why a moral nation would not want to claim the moral high ground and say that the war was fought to end slavery. Instead there's this morally bankrupt argument that the war was about states rights, as if that is something to be proud of, a more worthy fight than the moral one of not enslaving human beings.
@@Gwen3344 I love reading all these comments...just had to stop on yours. Just in case you never get to read my earlier comment..or go into any kind of depth on the matter. It is really difficult to escape the ideas fed through generations, to look "moral". Going through the whole school system in England you are taught american history, your war is nothing special in Brit schools. The North was more for industrialisation with machinery and the banking systems to finance this, than the South with its mass indusrtry based on slavery. So yes, your North wanted to end slavery, to SUBSTITUTE free human labour with machinery made or imported by the North and hereby impose a modern era flourishing in Europe (in England since about 1815) with millions and millions to be reaped by the Northern businessess for timber, building, road construction, steel, agriculture, cattle.....the South preferred their free labour from slaves....so yes, the right for the states to do as they pleased. The excuse was slavery, the reason.....business....there is nothing moral about a nation, which upon ending the war, established an apartheid system....."one drop"..."jim crow"...never-ending fight for civil rights....any of this sound familiar to you? The reality of the situation speaks louder than any "moral" high ground.
@@dng267 You should not dismiss Englands history of slavery and Colonialism no claim for moral high ground either.
That s there way of whitewashing the truth. By keeping the truth our of schools
@@Gwen3344 Yeah its pretty weird, especially when this faction is usually pretty shameless about lying for a political edge. Im surprised more neo-confederates arent like 'bruh we wuz totally trying to fight to free duh slaves from duh northern left' or something.
Prior to 8th grade, my education had been that the civil war was about slavery. I was shocked that my 8th grade history teacher told our class that the civil war was not about slavery but about states' rights. One of our biggest challenges is education folks- find out what our children are being taught. Find out the agenda of those running for school board. Another shock for me in 2022 was to learn that Ginni Thomas had donated money to a candidate running for one of the school boards in my district... in California! He tried to squirm out of that question, and another candidate totally evaded it by saying that he didn't remember- it's public information. This ideology creep is happening right under our noses, people!
It was about whether some states had the right to impose their laws on other states. For example, whether slave-holding states had the right to demand that other states return people who had escaped in to a place where slavery was not legal. It's true that part of it was about whether some states had the power to impose their will on others. Just not in the way that white supremacist scumbags would like to think.
Democrat states wanted the right to slaves.
Republican states took that right from them.
Wow who would have thought that Thomas was involved in pushing nonsense
@jakemf1 That wasn't really the astonishing part. It is the concerted coordination in addition to the funding that could potentially infiltrate and radicalize the education our future thinkers and leaders receive. It's a difficult task for busy, working parents to dig into school politics, and stealthy right-wing activists can easily present a benign surface level agenda. Before you know it, you have teachers telling your children that the civil war was about state rights as well as other problematic "lessons". If you're curious to learn more about the situation, look up Mark Woolway and his two other running partners in the Acalanes School District.
When will America grow up and come to terms with the fact that slavery went on for hundreds of years.
Most white families have benefited financially from their ancestors who owned slaves.
Let's face the facts. America was built on the backs of slaves.
Just own it, and stop pretending that white people are superior to blacks. It's all bullshit!
I don't have to imagine this mind set, I believe we are witnessing first hand the return of it from one of our leading political parties and their chosen leader.
It's like being asked what led to the US getting into WWII and not mentioning Pearl Harbor.
Now explain the clause in the 13th ammendment about how the convicted can be used for slave labor.
We never ended slavery. We ended owning slaves privately... unless you own a prison.
As an Australian with an interest in the US civil war, (and who works every day in the hot Aussie desert), I clicked on your thumbnail thinking, “Let’s see what this guy has to say”, expecting one thing. You taught me two. Thank you sir.
As am American with abolitionists ancestors who founded the movement, and had ancestors wounded in the war, I too had an expectation and was “schooled” on my expectations.
If you have an interest in, Adrian Brettle from the UK , authored “Collosal Ambitions”. He list the documents, speeches, and long term plans to expand slavery into the Caribbean, Mexico, and South America
Also an Australian I look at America as where Madness lives! Stupidity is taught to school, and I watch you show for the truth!The whole truth!And nothing but the truth!Trying to educate Americans that they are being Brainwashed by the Rightwing extremists propaganda ,Lies and promises.
@@silverstar4289thanks for that reference ❤
My history teacher in jr high ( thanks Mr. Peacock you're appreciated) taught us that we should read the Ordinances of Succession, if we needed to know this answer. He was a pretty huge start to my BS in English/History. Yes sir it's not really even a discussion, it's a denial of the truths that made this country who it is. Every state that joined the South in their sickness actually stated each time it was about slavery.
I learned that in junior high But lived up north that is the difference
TY! As a History masters (focus...US Civil War) this "debate" drives me nuts.. 😡 The willful ignorance of "slavery defenders" is bat-s**t crazy...
The re-writing of US history has been a concentrated focus of "The Daughters of the Confederacy"...
Fact....
(Edited spelling...)
I'm 30 years old and was raised in Arizona's educational system. We at least agreed that slavery was the issue and it nearly tore our union apart for good.
It almost tore our country apart for _bad._ 🤓
(Annoying moment over)
One way to view it was a fistfight between two types of capitalist exploitation.
Of course, not being property is way better.
But we still had a lot of brutality towards workers after the Civil War.
The convict leasing system took over the old slave states. You might want to learn about that if you don't know.
Because it's bad.
Edit: It's also relevant to our current carceral system.
@@davidjones6389 "I met Germans that were never taught about the holocaust." That's pretty surprising. I watch a few German YTers and they all know about it. Ah, I did a quick search that says teaching about it wasn't compulsory untild 92. So maybe that's it.
This is the difference between education in the South (note the capital) and the rest of the US. I grew up in Missouri, and was taught that the Civil War was always about slavery, and the other causes were always secondary to continuing to keep slaves (MO was a slave-holding state because of the MO Compromise, which allowed MO and the Arkansas Territory to enter the Union as the last slave-holding states from the Louisiana Purchase lands). For my final years of high school, we moved to Oklahoma, and I was absolutely shocked that my _US History teacher_ (who also just happened to be the school's baseball coach, imagine that) was constantly pushing the narrative that it was only because of State's Rights, and slavery wasn't mentioned at all. The difference between what's taught in Southern classrooms is the reason this "debate" continues, and will continue until schools are no longer politicized by the party that controls most Southern states into indoctrinating children so they'll be "good little Christians and Conservatives." If there has ever been a reason to federalize the school system, this kind of teaching is it.
@@quintrankid8045 yeah, they tried hushing it down in the beginning. There is a pretty good movie about the delayed prosecutions of the people involved, although I forgot it's name, and I'm pretty sure it was in German.
I think it took place in the 60s, so it's quite possible that a German who was a young adult in the 80s didn't have to learn about it.
I worked in Germany in 07 and one of my young colleagues told me that now it was REALLY prevalent in the materials
@zacharygirgenti3790 This is really gratifying to hear, because I am 55 years old, born and raised in Phoenix, and when I was in high school it was very much "Well, slavery was a PART of it, but it was really a more fundamental discussion of states' rights." If memory serves that was also what we had to say on the test to get that question marked correct.
I'm very glad and relieved to hear that's changed.
I'm 74, and as a child in Pennsylvania, I was told in school that the Civil War was about slavery.
NY here, learned the same, but never touched on the individual states' declaration documents.
Yup, Pennsylvanian here, and also learned the same. I was actually shocked the first time I found out that is not what everyone is taught.
Grew up in Gettysburg. We learned that the cause was slavery in school, but the current school board is trying to change that.
Also, the number of idiots I heard spout Lost Cause mythology while growing up there was horrifying.
Thank you for being real my friend. It takes not only a smart person, but a brave one, to tell the truth about the history of this nation.
I’m a Connecticut yankee, we were taught these documents in public school here. I was always surprised at the states rights argument I heard from southerners later in life, even more surprised to learn that their racism was religiously based ( according to them ) and therefore they considered civil rights were an insult and a slap in the face to their religion. Finally I am stunned that in 2023 their all out war against “CRT” in schools is to try to bring the curriculum of their private religious schools apply to public schools. They can try but you can’t censor the truth.
Beau, I cannot thank you enough for this. I grew up in South Carolina and the Civil War is taught as "States Rights vs Federal Overreach." I remember having to watch "Gone With the Wind" as an insight into enslavement. When I read some of the Articles of Secessioin, I was floored that the States of the Confederacy were so forward about SLAVERY being the reason they wanted to form a new country. It was so disappointing, but not surprising, to see former Governor Haley perpetuate the myth. I encourage her to do more reading so that she is better informed. Thanks again!
Both sides of my family are southern. My Dad said that he had a difficult time believing that the US Civil War's primary casus belli was slavery, until he read the Confederate re-write of the Declaration of Independence, which says "all white men are created equal".
Nikki Haley KNOWS the history--no doubt about it. What we saw, is her trying to revise and rewrite it. She's trying to play both sides of the fence--keeping her racist supporters, AND courting the centrist voters of the nation.
And let's be honest about what event boosted Haley to a national profile and put her in position to run for president.
I don't think, at this point, educating the lawmakers will solve the issue. They know, they just decide to spread a lie because it profits them.
I was raised in Alabama, where it's the "lost cause"...
As a Black person raised in the South, I encounter a Confederate monument on the courthouse lawn almost daily. This video adds new perspective to the phrase "It's not hate, it's heritage."
Sometimes heritage is just hate with a pedigree.
@@jussiklemetti3709well said.
It's both: it's a heritage of hate, and also a heritage of fear. Even if they never mention Nat Turner, they fear his sort of rebellion.
Well said @@rileymclaughlin4831
@@jussiklemetti3709 well said
Wow! The first video I ever see of Beau and it's a doozy. Thank you for telling the truth. As an African American in the South, I was having this conversation with White friends and co-workers for years and it would just go in circles. When I learned about these documents about a decade ago, I found them to be a conversation stopper. I've challenged many a friend to pull out their smartphone on the spot and Google the documents. No one ever has.
...and they never will. Why? Because truth hurts.
I am a lifelong resident of Texas. I had a history teacher who said slavery was "about 25%" the reason for the Civil War, and "States' Rights" was the bulk of it. At the time of course I didn't think much of it, I was a kid after all, and this guy was otherwise one of the best, most engaging teachers I ever had. It's horrible to think about that. Because he pushed that narrative, I have to question everything about that class that I enjoyed so much I remember it and him 30 years later.
The right of states to enslave people and exploit the life out of them. I'm sure that's what he meant!
He was right. He meant States' rights to perpetuate slavery.
No difference there!
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence agreed. it's not a contradiction. slavery was the particular moral issue, but whether there would be a strong centralized power that could dictate to the states was the governmental/political principle. imho people trying to ''gotcha'' someone they don't like by saying it's the one but not the other are just engaging in self-righteous posturing. if you try to focus only on the broader constitutional question of state vs fed, then you're stupidly ignoring the moral question that triggered the war. on the other hand, if you're saying it was just slavery and not about whether people wanted powerful state governments in an alliance overseen by a weak federal administration with little authority - that's also wrong. it's wrong to pretend that the south wasn't motivated primarily by an interest in slavery, but the north was primarily concerned with federal authority.
Born and raised in Texas and was never taught about the civil war. They didnt talk about it at all.
@@bambooblinds Except the Southern states were very supportive of a strong federal government when they wanted to enforce the fugitive slave act. So like today they support a strong governement as long it supports their point of view.
I went to a confederate museum in Alabama and read some of the documents they had on display !!! I learned something I was never told about in school or from any of the people who tout the confederate veiw .
I came across a treaty that floored me , the treaty was with Brittain as the confederate states needed aid from England to fight the union so they 3ntered into an agreement that if the confederate states won the civil war that the confederate states would once again become colonies of the British empire!!! In the treaty it spelled out that Brittain had made slavery illegal but the confederate states would be allowed to continue to practice slavery for 100 yrs after becoming a colony again !!! So yes the whole goal of the confederate states was to continue to have slavery and they were willing to give up their free states rights of self determination !!!!
No one had ever taught me this in school nor did the people pushing the pro confederate narrative ever tell me about this fact !!! When I brought it up to these people they denied it adamantly, but when I showed them a photo of the documents, they still denied it !!! This fact was never told to these people as it would undermine their whole argument about states rights !!! Can you do a roads with beau on this subject ?
What a document to witness! Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting!
Wow. I'll have to look that up. And yes, if true that should definitely be taught in schools. Thanks!
Do you remember what the treaty was called? I can't seem to find anything about this online.
Do you have any more information on this? I'm trying to find it but I'm coming up empty-handed, and I'd REALLY love to be able to reference this in future discussions with people claiming the Civil War was about "states rights" or "independence". Thanks!
Edit: At the very least can you provide the name of the museum?
I was a Republican. Please, for the love of all that is true and Holy, #VoteBlue. I am.
Thank you.
Glad you found your way out. Out of curiosity, what inspired the departure?
As a Republican will you actually vote against your own party?
@@DavidLindes Commonsense. The drift into totalitarianism that we always said we were against then embraced. But also the lopsided economic policies that were, in retrospect, enabled the move towards fascism. Trump is a modern Nazi and belongs in prison. I am a Patriot , not a Nazi erg I will vote for Joe Biden with a clear conscience that at least I tried to prevent the takeover.
@@Dzztzt I imagine anyone who values their country more than their party will do similar. That's hardly unique to just them.
Which seems pretty easy, since the entire party is hot garbage.
Thank you, Beau. I am another 60+ citizen who, as far as I recall, wasn't taught this. I shall remember it always. Keep it up - you are an island of truth and sanity in this crazy world. I have watched your videos since 2020 and appreciate and learn from every message.
"Wasn't taught"? How about "never learned"? Put the responsibility where it belongs.
@@jamesmcinnis208Lighten up at least this old dog was willing to learn something.
@@bigart9488 Yeah, how to blame his parents for his shortcomings, which you apparently support.
@@jamesmcinnis208 Even if OP learned it on his own earlier, it wouldn't change that it wasn't taught in school. American Civil War should be in the curriculum in US and it should not be glossing over the reasons.
Blaming parents is your uncharitable interpretation.
@andruloni And you know it wasn't taught in school because OP said (or implied) so? Because everyone remembers everything they're taught in school, right? I've got a trigonometry problem for you to solve, in that case. Maybe it was taught in school and not emphasized strongly enough. That way, we can still blame the parents and teachers. Is that more charitable? Whatever it takes to shirk responsibility for one's own ignorance.
I was a history minor in College and have read history my whole life yet had never heard of these. That’s messed up. Thanks for finally fixing what our education system failed to teach.
Just like Florida wants to teach nonsense about black history. Vote blue to make sure our children have rights. Vote blue to save women's rights to choose.
I don't know how I could get through the day without listening to you.
I can't believe this is still a thing.
South Carolinas declaration should be required along with the constitution.
THANK YOU Beau for your research & insight. As a person of The African Diaspora, you revealing these facts are vital for setting the record STRAIGHT! Much respect to You. 💪💪💪
Beau, you are carpet bombing the tinsel that holds Pretendyville together.
Good job,sir.
Checkmate, Lincolnites!
... if you know, you know.
It becomes so tiresome to argue with willful ignorance. Thank you Beau for saying what needs be said, with receipts. Thank you for giving us the words we can use to maybe straighten out someone willing to listen...
Beau, such a good topic. My Dad was born and raised in Laurel Ms. When he left to fight in WWW2 and came back it’s a journey through the years with finally deciding my brother and I would be raised “up north”. We did spend three years in Louisiana and Tennessee.
We talked about the Civil War often with my Dad preaching States’ Rights. So often that my brother would say “Save your Confederate money. The South will raise again”
A few years ago I saw a book titled The Free State of Jones” by Virginia Bynum. I was shocked to learn that the Southern Baptist Convention had colluded over the years to find just where it says in the Bible that slavery is ok because black people needed supervision since they weren’t really human. The church split with one, the SBC, pro slavery. A second denomination left SBC and formed a new church called The Primitive Baptists. PB held that it was totally clear that black people were actually people and never subjected to slavery again.
To this day those States find more and more ways to keep black peoples beholden to whites (usually white Men). This whole thing is and always was truly inhumane.
Beau and Heather Cox Richardson are two of my favorite sources of information because of details like this. Thanks Beau.
Here here. They both have been my staple for many years. + ProPublica & some other niche reliables.
Canadian here. Thank you for the detailed History lesson. When I was in school many decades ago we primarily study the History of the British Empire. When it came to American History it was the Revolution, War of 1812, and the Civil war to free the slaves.
My daughter was taught at a Canadian university just a year ago, in her US history class, that slavery was not the cause of the Civil War. This garbage is seeping into our education systems as well.
To my fellow Canadians: Yes, we were taught about the British Empire and about the U.S. But we were NOT taught about the REAL history of Canada! Until a few years ago that was whitewashed and skimmed over. HOW this land was taken and what was done to try and eradicate (genocide) the original inhabitants was not only omitted, but lied about. My point is: while discussing the reality of U.S. and world history, let’s not pretend that ours was any better. It wasn’t. And btw, see what you can learn about what life in the Maritimes was really like for the slaves that escaped through the Underground Railroad. The info is out there, if you look.
I like to learn, I love your teaching style and I always finish your videos better off. Thank you. You are appreciated.
My friend just told me to close my mouth (dumbfounded). You are a good man Beau and we benefit from your love of facts and the clarity with which you share your knowledge. Thank you.
Happy trails.
I am looking forward to the full evolution of Beau going from 5-minute videos on the main channel to full-on deep dives on the roads channel, to eventually end at 4 hour long video essays
Perhaps a Master Class on American History
I'll definitely be here for that.
Deep international politics dives. 😊
Yes please. 🎉
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Beau, don’t be surprised. After all, we’ve got a person on SCOTUS who needed help defining the First Amendment.
We also have a SCOTUS justice who was unable to define what a woman.
@@quintrankid8045 And one who thinks that all judicial decisions should be guided by the literal text of statutes and the Constitution (except where the 2nd Amendment is concerned) but who thinks that financial disclosure forms are too confusing.
Beau, I love what you do. You are a national educational treasure. All my best to you and your family.
I'm just your regular, everyday average joe and after Listening and Paying Attention to what you said at the very outset of this video I would have NEVER GUESSED what you were about to read.
You're a Good man.
You are Straight Forward and DEFINETLY NOT a bs artist in what has unfortunately become a County full of them.
I applaud you reading and bringing attention to what most of us WOULDN'T have otherwise heard.
Now in my mid-sixties from the Midwest I was taught in history class that it was about state’s rights. Last summer my wife and I visited Lee’s birthplace of Stratford Hall for a festival. When I climbed the stairs and walked through the door of the main house it hit me like a ton of bricks. What I was taught was utter BULLSH!T. No other historical mansion could hold a candle to this stone castle. Lee saying that he would not raise his sword against his home state was BULLSH!T. It was about protecting the Lee family fortune accumulated on the backs of slaves!
Exactly. And the simpletons who did most of they fighting and dying for the Confederacy were themselves kept in ass backward poverty by the system of slavery. They died stupidly for the "great cause" and lived in backwardness for another century after.
My wife's family tree has "Lees from Arlington", black of course.
They were making a lot of money from free labor. They couldn’t fathom allowing their “slaves” go free.
This ^^^^^
Thank you. As a Northern child in the 1950s and '60s I was clearly taught that the Civil War was about slavery. But I never knew about these documents till about 5 years ago! Yes, teach the primary documents!
When I heard "Bonnie Blue Flag", here on You Tube, I commented something like "Quite the revisionist anthem!" and got lots of replies. It was mostly from people wanting to correct me, to let me that it was written during the uprising. They didn't seem to understand it didn't have to be 100 years after the event to be considered such. If it reframes events to make their side look better, it's revisionist.
Thanks, Beau. Right there, in our own historical DOCUMENTS.
Heard a rumor that some news person asked Biden the same question yesterday. He simply said "It's about slavery". Interesting the difference between the two politicians.
My high-school US history taught us well. He used "the states right to what?" method. Mr. Murphey was an awesome teacher and humanitarian. He also made us watch footage from the Vietnam War. He knew how to make an impact.
Bless him. Too little actual history is now taught in high school. I dare say, too much sports.
Always remember how a MAGA "patriot" like Ted Nugent crapped his pants so that he could dodge the Vietnam Draft
I must admit I have not yet read those documents. But my immediate reaction was I sat right up and started to smile.
I wholeheartedly agree on teaching the reality of history, rather than the myths that can only lead us to make the same mistakes over and over. I'm sorry, but I want to get off this ride now. It just makes me sad.
The various Articles of Secession immediately spell out that slavery was their first, last, and often only given reason for seceding and declaring war against the US. I've been trying to get people to read them for years, so people could go into every "state's rights" arguments firing booth barrels right out of the gate.
I'm glad Beau did this, but I still suddenly want a drink.
@@RevShifty : _"but I still suddenly want a drink"_ I can relate to that. lols
Hope you're day is going really well.😊
Great report Beau , I love your videos because
You don’t cut corners you speak the truth!! Thank you Beau and God bless !! 👏👏👏👏❤️🙏🙋🏻🌈🌈
The best summary of this "argument" I've ever heard:
"The Civil War was about states' rights!"
"Yeah? States' rights to do what?"
To property.
Its alo more complicated
The industrial revolution wqsslabor intensive.
The north could not afford slaves
Slavery was an immense business
The business's of labor
A slave was worth millions especially is he was educated
The field hand was expensive aswell
But still like I said it was complicated
One day you own ten thousand slaves. The next day. States get together to take all your wealth. Instead of pati you for the labor and avoiding a war.
One Maga lady from Pennsylvania told me that the Civil War was fought over cotton taxes to England. She also said Rick Scott wants to save Social Security
Great job Beau! 👍🏿 I'm convinced they know the truth they're just so dedicated to the lies and their own bigotry to admit it.
Exactly, they know the truth but attempt to recreate historical facts. Not surprising, this is a nation built on lies and deception.
I highly recommend the book Year of Meteors by Douglas Egerton. It details the 1860 Presidential campaign between Lincoln & Douglas, and includes a lot of excerpts of editorials, letters, & other documents from southern figures. They clearly show how central the issue of slavery was to their plan for the future of the US, and then the Confederacy. Undeniable.
Undeniable ? you realize that you are talking about a country where thousands of people attempted to overthrow the government - in front of the whole world live - and they constantly deny it - say it was a peaceful tour of the capital
In the few years in which I participated in Civil War reenacting, these conversations arose fairly often. I would have given much to have known about these resources, but I had no clue. I suspect the conversations would have been quite a bit shorter. There is no counter-argument.
I also did Civil War reenacting. I cited those documents. I was ignored.
Pick a confederate state, read their Articles of Secession, and be amazed by how little argument there really ever was. It blows my damned mind that some people try so hard to pretend it was ever about anything else.
I quit doing the reenacting stuff(including period music) because it was becoming a support group for "lost-causers" and most "owners" treated their slaves well types.
@@donhuber9131 us too. We both are Museum Educators/Living Historians specialising in slavery history of the 18th and 19th Century South Carolina Lowcountry. Mostly 18th Century (my husband is the cooper at Middleton Place. I'm freelance).
At first, it was an enjoyable hobby, living history. But that was before the USA's nervous breakdown, which I found largely coincided with the election of Obama. I used to enjoy playing "Dixie" on a period minstrel banjo replica, and mentioning the irony of Dan Emmett being a northern abolitionist. Couldn't do it any more when it was once again becoming requested as an "anthem"...and that was before seeing the battle flag in the capitol on the 6th. I appreciate your understanding. (p.s. I live in the "Little Dixie" area of central MO, one county over from where Josh Hawley is from.)@@parkerbrown-nesbit1747
I was taught the civil war was about a combination of states rights and slavery just happened to be a part of that. I didn't realize it was that blunt. The way my school taught it made it seem very complicated.
Thank you.
States rights is proof that they actually used dog whistle terms - even in the 1860s
How could the Civil War have even happened in the first place if slavery wasn’t a thing.
The two parts of the United States had two fundamentally different views as to whether or not humans could hold other humans as property. There is absolutely no way that something that was so completely morally, socially, economically, religiously, and legally opposed develop completely different from each other to point that a conflict at some point wouldn’t be inevitable.
If slavery wasn’t a thing, there wouldn’t have been Southern and Northern parts to America. There would have just been America.
Agreed. To be fair and in full disclosure though, I would require the inclusion that most of the people in the Northern states were still full on racists and bigots. Slavery was over the top, but they definitely weren't rushing for equality for everyone. Racism was still something the southerners and northerners could agree on, mostly.
When people try to put it forward as a "sudden rift" I remind them of all the states that had to join in pairs - one slave state and one free state - because otherwise the Senate wouldn't be 50/50 on the issue. That goes allll the way back and proves without a doubt that the issue of slavery existed since the founding of the nation.
Beau, you are 100% right. Its in the documents. Plain as day.
These documents should be shown in History class when discussing this point in American history. I had no idea they even existed. How was this never mentioned when I was in school? Hearing you read them had such an impact on me. Thank you for making this video.
Well it for sure will never be shown to kids down here in Florida. :(
Unfortunately, real history in this regard is actively being written off as CRT bullcrap from conservative circles! They want to keep us ignorant. It's really sad that a lot of Americans don't know history.
Thank the daughters of the confedracyfor that. It was not that they were forgotten but that they were denied and covered up.
I remember reading these documents in high school. I also remember trying to talk to my neighbors who went to different schools about them and being surprised that they didn't read them when learning about the Civil War.
Great topic, well presented, and a thank you to you and your team! The destruction of public education is the greatest loss to our country. The NAACP said it best " A mind is a terrible thing to waste"
Brilliant, Beau, brilliant! Some critical issues are really that simple and clear.
They were really like "We're making a separate country now because more slaves more money", huh
Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
Regarding the language in these documents, has anyone heard the great pumpkin and the rest of MAGA?
Thank you, Beau. Positive thoughts for you and those close to you.
This is why history - ALL of it - needs to be taught in school
Thank you for the truths you teach.