Join ITS Tactical as Bryan takes a look at Lock-Kill, a way to permanently disable a household lock. Read our entire write-up with detailed photos here: bit.ly/OrrDvo
+Darthane well... Every body better listen up cause we have just found the most effective way to get it out. The only other way would be to get the Death Star to blow up the lock... That might not be to good for the planet though
Mc Panda Gamers Sometimes you need to make sure you have gotten the lock free, so really the deathstar could be your only solution, given you might not have a temporary gravity adjuster.
If the lock is disabled for the tenant, then the landlord is in the same situation. Both would need to use the same methods entry after the lock has been disabled. I see no practical advantage to this product.
+dog74586 If the properly locked-out tenant drills out the lock, then it's become breaking and entering plus criminal destruction of property. As long as the tenant had held a legitimate key and continued to properly occupy, the tenant wouldn't be clearly guilty of any crime just re-entering; putting physical means to block further access puts a stop to that part also.....
Lots of people have old keys floating around that don't fit any of their current locks. They could be repurposed to make some of these lockout keys for free.
More like 45 seconds but that's just being thorough, you could explain it in 5 seconds but I would rather him go in more detail in the video and just 45 seconds then sit there for 5 seconds then watch it 6 times just because I can.
Neos Neos Jab a stick in it. Or since we're destroying it why not just hit it with a center punch and a hammer? This product is total crap for a real landlord to use.
halnywiatr Nonsense. It can be used to prolong or prevent a break-in until you change your locks. Somebody will use it if they need it for whatever reason they have.
How breaking the key inside going to help a landlord? They'll need to destroy the lock in order to replace it. They might as well install a new lock, which they'll need to do anyway, and re-use the existing lock somewhere else. The only use for the key is to annoy someone you don't like.
Samuel Liebermann after the constable give my property owner right of possession in the conclusion of eviction ( texas law) i come out and rekey all locks to one key profile and provide 2 copied to land lord additional copies are 1.50 ea made on the spot for $25 so 20 for something that cant do what i do but cost about the same .....hell ..you can change deadbolt and keyed entry for that money from home depo lmao the more i think about it the sillier this idea is
Absolutely no legal reason for using one of these. If the tenant is legally evicted then you would just drill out the existing lock and install a new one. If the tenant is not legally evicted then doing this would be breaking the law and the tenant would prosecute you.
Some areas have horrible laws, though, that greatly favour the tenant in unfair ways. At times, you have tenants who aren't complying with something that they are required to, and going the legal route can be expensive and time consuming. That's when this comes in handy. Generally speaking, though, you're probably right.
He says it's impossible to remove without drilling the lock... not exactly true. A sufficiently thin triangle pick can actually remove it. It has to be ultra-thin to fit between the key and the lock itself, and resistant to bending to push each pin up over the lip... probably tungsten carbide, if they can make a piece of tungsten carbide that thin and precise.
First off this DOES NOT PERMANENTLY DISABLE the lock. We locksmiths would have no trouble removing this stupid product. We wouldn't have to drill the lock to remove this Secondly: The Eviction Process A landlord must file a lawsuit in order to evict a tenant. The landlord cannot make a tenant move by turning off the utilities. Also, a landlord may not evict a tenant by locking the tenant out, changing the locks or removing personal property from the rental unit.
But he can REMOVE a door for repair. If that repair happens to take a few days due to a holiday weekend, so be it. Now the deadbeat tenant has an "open door" policy.
my dad is a landlord and in his contract with the tenant, it states that if he wants to evict the tenant, he gives a 6 month warning, and if they don't move out, then he sues
the tenents are good people so I think they would move out. one is my grandmother, and the other is my dads secretary (although she has some mental stuff that makes her do some weird things) so I think they would move out with little fight
Or pay the bills and behave like a gentleman, and no landlord will do this to you. If you start demolishing the house you will only get in a lot more trouble.
+Richard van Pukkem And another thing you shitass little thief. I own more land than you do by a sight. I own enough land that you can get lost on a section of it. I don't have to rent. I rent houses myself and when it's time for them to leave I let them get their stuff like a real "gentleman" not some shitass slimy thief locking the door on them so I can pick through their belongings like a vulture later.
I have definitely removed one of these with a broken key extractor before! absolutely no damage to the lock. Sliding down the side of the key and lifting all the pins out of the groove solves this.
Holexification kids will go in through a window and open the door from the inside. Anything "tactical" is fucking junk sold to morons who live in a fantasy land.
Actually the point is to just insert the key and walk away, don't break it off right away. Now the contact info is still relevant and the locked out party is able to 'break' their half the key off and walk away with the note.
+Maxx Fordham oh wow! Here we are again! I feel sorry for these that get ur updates/notifications. Wish I could comment on original thread! You toy-loving creep. Go hug ur stuffed animal when your mother tucks you in. You look like you live wit ur mommy. Your a nutjob
+Christopher Payne, my *what* is a "nutjob" (just according to you, but not really)? And why is it that weak morons like you think bringing in unrelated subjects is a "good way" to make their lame points? I feel bad for anyone who is replied to by you.
I cannot think of a non-malicious use for this device. A landlord would be better served swapping out the lock cylinder (5 minutes with a cross-tip screwdriver). If, for legal or security reasons, the door could not be opened at that time, a doorknob overlock would be a better solution. Hotels with card-keys would simply re-issue a new key, cancelling the old one.
This is actually really really useful. Say someone broke into your house and stole your keys and you didn’t have time to change the locks. You could use this then as a temporary solution
So you buy this for however much, ruin the lock, and then have to hire a locksmith to eventually open the door. Seems cheaper to skip this thing and just pay a locksmith to rekey or replace the lock. Either way, a pissed-off tenant or whomever you're trying to keep out will get in if they want to badly enough. A 12 gauge will bypass this thing.
+sghost128 no brainer's job, then the land lord has to break the door coz there is no magic key to open it....what a fucking reviewer and that stupid key maker
+sghost128 These people don't know what they're talking about. Products like this aren't intended for pranks or landlords. They are used mainly by military and law enforcement as an access denial mechanism when specific areas need to be locked down fast during an emergency.
+Ben Aguilar Exactly. Even in a lock changing to keep a tenant out type of situation, you could have one of these handy to immediately disable the lock. Then you can get it changed at your leisure.
Ok, so its a vandalism tool since any "landlord" would probably be able to re-core any lock they have. Also, its just binding on pin 4. Maybe a "key extractor" won't get it out, but any thin lock pick will, just push pin 4 up and out she comes. How about this: Superglue. that is all.
+htomerif In some/most states, self-help evictions are not lawful, meaning the tenant would be within his rights to kick down the door and the landlord would have "dirty hands" in the eyes of the court. (Aka, the judge will view the dispute as one between two law-ignoring idiots, rather than a "good guy" and a "bad guy".) It looks like this might be a police/military tool. It is totally pointless if you have more than 5 minutes to kill the lock. And even as a military tool, a door lock can not be any stronger than the weakest point on the door. This maybe possibly might be used by the police, but it looks more like a vandalism tool.
blkgardner Well, I can tell you from personal experience that pretty much every military door lock has gone over to the keys with the milled channel on the side, so this key wouldn't fit. As far as padlocks go, well.. everyone has universal padlock removal pliers anyway :P I think law enforcement has actual lockable (somewhat expensive) insertable tools. So yeah, this seems to be just a vandalism tool. Specifically a tool for mentally challenged vandals that somehow have a lot of expendable cash.
+Ta Baron Oh great. Now everyone is going to want to buy locks that are "Lock-Kill" proof so the JDs in their neighborhood won't lock them out of their house! Great way to kill Kwikset and Schlage's business-- though since none of those locks are bump-key proof, maybe it's just as well that they stop making those crappy locks altogether.
I can bypass this easy enough. A broken key extractor is very thin and has a flat edge. Push that edge against the pins and push then all the up. Now nothing is holding the kill-key in. You may need a second broken key extractor to gram the kill-key if the bow has been snapped off. This is basically 30 second job.
I'm not convinced one of those tools, like a key-extractor or something pretty similar wouldn't work. If it's thin enough you should be able to insert it in parallel with the key and lift the pins up one at a time as you pull out the key.
What about a strong magnet over the pins? Would that do the same thing as flipping the lock over and letting gravity release the key, or are the pins non magnetic?
I think that key, not SURE , but let us ZOOM in a bit and take another CLOSE FUCKING look. I think....see that little line, you know that silver line. Let's get another key here to SHOW YOU THAT LINE...that is the LINE that makes sure the key breaks. I mean holy shit dude...seriously, we GET IT!!
Absolutely. Fortunately for the user of this item (don't want to call it a "product" since anyone who knows how to use a file can make one), most people have no real knowledge of how locks work.
What about sliding a thin horizontally flat pin on top of the key? Or perhaps a good whiff of compressed air can lift the pins whilst retracting they key?
I am curious, but I have a suspicion, that although you couldn't get it out with an extractor, you could likely get it out with an extractor AND a bypass knife or something similarily thin
+Michael Parker yup, or even a small file will do it. You can get a set of jeweler files for like 10 bucks, and you can use em for all sorts of other stuff too. so for the original price of $20, you can have 25 of these and a very handy set of files
nope dont think i like it only makes it harder for landlord to get back in to change the locks so just change the lock or inject the lock with glue if its a quick lock out and secure and save 20 bucks
Blaine Bugaski Yep, it is humorous the website promotes this $10 thing as saving the landlord $20 - $50. When in actuality it is adding more to the price, you need to pay for a new lock as this one is destroyed and now you can not even access the property. Wow you save the 2 min needed to change a lock right then, but it costs you a lot more time and money in the long run.
+MrNateSPF I think its more about giving tenants a big fuck you, by possibly making them waste their time trying to get through it gingerly. If the tenants destroy property to get in, it is their money to pay. A landlord would want to change the lock on the back door and key kill the front door, until everything is taking care of. It almost seems as if it is a tool to possibly entice tenants into destroying property, to lose their deposit. The landlord would have to change the locks anyway after evictions. Dangling an eviction notice from one of these would defiantly feel like a kick in the balls if it happened to me xD It would be incredibly useful in condos, where the landlord and tenant both have their own entrances into a property.
Do you think landlords change locks after people move out or are evicted? Most likely not. The same landlords that paint everything, including the vent covers and wood trim. I can't blame them either. I would want to save as much money as possible too.
Blaine Bugaski Many do have several sets of locks. Remember just because they are taking the locks out does not mean they need to be thrown away, rather they can be used the next time a lock switch is needed.
Well those extractors should be key shaped and the full height of the lock so it pushes the pins up and releases the key. Then either use a tool or a magnet or something to get the key out.
I could see this being useful if you own a business with a back door and one of your former employees has a copy of the key to that particular door. Or another use could be for something you never want opened again. Like a building that is scheduled to be demolished. The broken off key would mean it can't be opened with the correct key, or picked. Most alternative entry methods would leave obvious evidence.
What's the difference between this and a Key + File? Could you just make an extra deep cut in the first groove and create the same thing? Even if you wanted to make an easy to snap break off point and the shoulder of the key, you could still file one in.
SO once the land lord has disabled the lock, how does the landlord access the property? Also, I think you could extract it if you lift each pin in succession or use a pick with a diamond or 45* end to allow the pins to ramp up over the straight cut.
I was a locksmith for 20 yrs. This is a tool that will make it very costly for the property own. You have a trip call plus drill cost and then you have the new lock cost and the keying every other lock on the property to match new keys. Most locksmiths will tell you to just call them and let them go out and do a lockout if it is a business and in most states if it is residential you have to go through the eviction process that the law mandates. Using an item like this will most likely be x however many outside doors there are. So as a professional I would never recommend this product at all.
100% not effective what so ever. all yo have to do is slide a pick, key extractor or shim that is thin enough into the lock, push the pins up to the top and with pliers or another key extractor pull the broken key out
I was thinking something along the lines of a set of feeler gages and tin snips to get the Thickest feeler gauge that will fit in there to Same with as the key
the only purpose i see for this Lock Kill key is as an act of vandalism. if you're a Landlord and you go through legal channels and get your judgement, the Police will show up with the Court Documents stating it's Illegal to enter the property and at that point, you can Legally re-pin the locks. any Landlord who uses this tool on it's tenants without the judgement, will be in jeopardy of turning the courts against them should the tenant file a claim in court not to mention, now the Landlord has to get the lock replaced since the broken off key can't be extracted. on top of that, there are usually more than one door entry points to a residence so you're going to disable them all? they can't get in and now, neither can you as the Owner of your own property. what i can see happening here is the tenant who's either behind in rent or mad at the Landlord, breaks the door and jamb to re-gain entry. now the Landlord has another issue to fix in addition to the lock... and that's only IF the tenant feels bad about not having the money and not going off and damaging a whole lot more inside. if you want to lock a tenant out, pick the lock, re-pin and leave them a note saying you'll let them in when the rent is paid... but even that's not legal in most states. i don't see any real purpose in this key other than malicious. sorry.
an anti fur trade friend used Glaziers sharps which are like headless carpet tacks, when they were protesting at fashion stores. hit one of them into a lock the only way out is with a drill, super glue can be dissolved and the tooth picks removed fairly easily
Wouldn't it be possible to insert a strip next to the piece that lifts the tumblers and then extract both as one unit? Kind of like a shim for handcuffs.
Maxx Fordham Just a list of tools needed to disable a household lock. In more detail: 1. Nail a little bit too big to fit easily in the keyway. 2. Hammer heavy enough to drive the nail deep into the lock. Optional: small bolt cutters to cut the head off the nail.
Yep, it was, Jim Fortune, but still, just saying 2 words by themselves didn't mean anything, which is why it was good that you added the needed detail. Right? I hope you at least appreciate the compliment I gave you about this.
Doesn't Schlage & Kwikset make a Construction insert that goes to the back of the cylinder that basically does the same thing? Both can be removed with an extractor!
If I'm the landlord and do this, how do I I get back in? I kept the tenant out, but kept myself out, too. I'll need to replace the lock eventually anyway, why not just do it now instead of later?
you realize landlords have to CHANGE OUT ALL THE LOCKS when a tenant is evicted but keeps the keys, right? so the locks are trash anyways.... thats the fucking point
If they're not broken, they can be sold. Ebay, Amazon, Craigslist, etc. But I think this product has a legitimate purpose. Keeping former tenants out in between lock changes is one. Preventing a lock from being pickable is another. This is an easy and fast way to convert a back or side door so that it can't be unlocked from the outside, so that the visible front door is the only way in. Still, $20 is ridiculous when the existing key can be converted to a trap key with a file. This is marketed to the ignorant who can't be bothered to learn how a key works.
And what stops the landlord from going to a locksmith and having the entire set of locks rekeyed? It's less expensive than a new lockset, which would have to be rekeyed anyway if the landlord uses a mastering system. The locks are not trash just because someone has a key... Would you throw away your car if the mechanic didn't give your key back?
Aren’t you going to have to just change the lock anyway if that thing gets stuck in the lock I mean this seems pointless to me. If I own a rental home and I break this thing off inside the lock how am I gonna get in? Can’t I just change the lock?
+gary nugent where are you gonna find a file that's gonna fit into a small key hole ? it has to be ridiculously small and if you somehow managed to fit a "mini file" into that tiny space, it wouldn't be practical at all.
This is one of the dumbest "inventions" I've seen. If one would even consider doing this why not just take the key that fits the lock and break it off? Just put jb weld in the damn lock. I just don't get this. Have they ever made a sale??
Can you not fit a thin piece of metal up into the lock? Because I'm willing to bet that I can push all the pins up and over that 90 degree cut, just like picking the lock except backwards and probably easier.
Wow does he think we have no knowledge of anything? The way he explains every single very simple thing like we have lived in a padded cell all our lives is infuriating, reminds me of american cable tv documentaries. It really is a stupid product anyway as all the comments below say, and way overpriced for what it does, since changing the locks would be a much better solution since you will have to anyway, and if you are half decent at DIY can do it yourself and then you have a lock you can use another time.
All you need is a little steel drill and drill the key through. Depending on the lock there might be enough gap for this still extractor to get into lift the pins. I would also try bumping on the core while pulling the key out after each bump.
Most people dont know how to get a broken key out anyway. Why not use a cut key that is a different bitting, break it off, the plug won't turn, but the key can still be removed with an extractor. But the, there is a way using a thin shim the can be used to reach beside this lock-kill key and lift the affected pin stack. It can be done. And it can save a lock especially if it is an expensive lock. You dont want to use tooth picks or super glue or anything that will ruin the lock. All you want to do is temporarily prevent access until you change the lock or repin it.
There's a pinning method that traps the previous key ie the one the tenant ex-lover etc. has. Also a core extractor would be preferable to a drill after using that suicide key
This would've been so useful. We once had tenants and they didn't pay rent, but we couldn't just change the locks (that's illegal in Colombia) or anything really, but I'm sure this would've come in handy.
This could actually be useful. However on a euro cylinder it would prevent egress. The East German STAZI had a similar device that was reversible, which was used while inside an apartment, to block the key working from the outside while they did whatever spy stuff they were up to. A built-in lever lifted the trapping pin clear for removal.
The only practical use of this product is being a dick to random neighbors.
+childofnewlight rofl
+childofnewlight APRIL FOOLS! *troll face*
+childofnewlight Then again, you could just use superglue.
+Lauri3000 Why do that when you could waste money on and irreparably damage the lock with this?
+childofnewlight 😂
GET ON WITH IT HOLY SHIT
I know this was so frustrating to watch and didn't even use the stupid thing. Dull dull dull.
+gary nugent i know, right
+x2eXu50x Right. How many times do we need to see and be told about that shear line on the effing key?
John Doe
Over 9000 ... times
+Oridecon Bling-Bling 9001 usually works for me.. I'm pretty thick headed
Can't you turn the house upside down to get it out?
Nah there is still springs pushing on the pins so if there was no springs then yes, turning the house upside down is probably the most efficient way
+Mc Panda Gamers So then you turn the house upside down and increase gravity!
+Darthane well... Every body better listen up cause we have just found the most effective way to get it out. The only other way would be to get the Death Star to blow up the lock... That might not be to good for the planet though
Mc Panda Gamers Sometimes you need to make sure you have gotten the lock free, so really the deathstar could be your only solution, given you might not have a temporary gravity adjuster.
+Ed Junior No, but an arrogant tenant will just break one of your windows and go in anyway. Now you need a new window
If the lock is disabled for the tenant, then the landlord is in the same situation. Both would need to use the same methods entry after the lock has been disabled. I see no practical advantage to this product.
+SuperCal let's just hope that tenant doesn't have a coreless drill.
It's too easy to break into a house, whether you're honest or not.
+dog74586 If the properly locked-out tenant drills out the lock, then it's become breaking and entering plus criminal destruction of property. As long as the tenant had held a legitimate key and continued to properly occupy, the tenant wouldn't be clearly guilty of any crime just re-entering; putting physical means to block further access puts a stop to that part also.....
+SuperCal Indeed.. You will end up with a disabled lock and a smashed $500 window, from the tenant who needed his stuff.
Martin lol now that i think about you are right, the tenant wouldn't drill the lock but rather go straight to the brick.
Wow!!! $10? I could make one for $1 with an uncut key and a file.
Lots of people have old keys floating around that don't fit any of their current locks. They could be repurposed to make some of these lockout keys for free.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I'm like "Whats so special about it?".
+Luca Stronks excatly what i would do
+Luca Stronks thanks for the idea you two :D
+Scott C superglue.
That tool is about as useful as aluminum foil toilet paper
+Jimbo Slice No it doesn't. It doesn't absorb. Unless it's for government thought enhancing brainwaves, so make a hat out of it.
aluminum toilet foil
If you go camping and take a shit during a thunder storm..... Wipe your ass with aluminum foil? Even a bear wouldn't do that!
Yes you are right there
"tool"
I can't tell if you're talking about the key or the guy in the video.
. . . . . 5 minutes talk for 5 seconds content !
Lol
More like 45 seconds but that's just being thorough, you could explain it in 5 seconds but I would rather him go in more detail in the video and just 45 seconds then sit there for 5 seconds then watch it 6 times just because I can.
Had to dislike
He didn't even shear it...what did the company want their 45c blank back?!
I know... He went on like a GD broad.
Buy 50, lock all your neighbors out of their houses. Haha, best prank ever. Everyone would laugh.
+Jose Díaz
Or you can sneak up to the local school and break this off on all the outside locks. You'll be a real hero to a bunch of elementary kids!
+OsirisX238 Good idea, i have nothing else to do with my time
+OsirisX238 I'm in elementary. Please do this!
+Jose Díaz 50X $10 ea.... that's an expensive laugh
+Jayden Thompson (DarkHaunts) I guess that is why your on a 13+ site.
$20 for a crap keyblank you can get for 30 cents and just cut it with a file. nice.
Knife and hammer
THEsourman00 that's what I was thinking
ThatFlyGuy this guy, I like how he thinks
you could just stick some JB weld in the lock too.
Krankie V super glue is cheaper :)
Neos Neos Jab a stick in it. Or since we're destroying it why not just hit it with a center punch and a hammer? This product is total crap for a real landlord to use.
JudgmentDay78
Yeah, huh, especially at the $9 price that someone else mentioned.
No, *****. Look at the website. Normally $12, they're on sale right now for $9: a waste of money either way.
beat me to it
The problem is this thing will prevent EVERYONE including the landlord from opening the lock. Fantastic invention huh?
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Its a good prank if you hate your neighbor thoe...
Wouldn't stop me
Solution looking for a problem.
halnywiatr Nonsense. It can be used to prolong or prevent a break-in until you change your locks. Somebody will use it if they need it for whatever reason they have.
How breaking the key inside going to help a landlord? They'll need to destroy the lock in order to replace it. They might as well install a new lock, which they'll need to do anyway, and re-use the existing lock somewhere else.
The only use for the key is to annoy someone you don't like.
Samuel Liebermann after the constable give my property owner right of possession in the conclusion of eviction ( texas law) i come out and rekey all locks to one key profile and provide 2 copied to land lord additional copies are 1.50 ea made on the spot for $25 so 20 for something that cant do what i do but cost about the same .....hell ..you can change deadbolt and keyed entry for that money from home depo lmao the more i think about it the sillier this idea is
Definitely useless for any legal use.
They can remove the pin cover and just take the key out,the only problem is they have to Break in first having to pay for that as well!
You can remove the broken key without drilling or breaking the lock.
Absolutely no legal reason for using one of these. If the tenant is legally evicted then you would just drill out the existing lock and install a new one. If the tenant is not legally evicted then doing this would be breaking the law and the tenant would prosecute you.
Yup!
Some areas have horrible laws, though, that greatly favour the tenant in unfair ways. At times, you have tenants who aren't complying with something that they are required to, and going the legal route can be expensive and time consuming. That's when this comes in handy. Generally speaking, though, you're probably right.
You can make these cuts on any key with a dremel.
+Green Silver Yeah, or a file.
+Green Silver Or simply punch of you "killer key",...
You didn't break it off!
+starrychloe You never wanna break it off after sticking it in :)
+TheFoodnipple That's what she said.
+Scott C +TheFoodnipple LFMAO SO WRONG!!!
+Scott C ha lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Break It off! Break It off! Break It Off!!!
So as the landlord I use this... Then how do I get in later???
This just prevents someone getting in before you have the chance to have a locksmith change the locks altogether. (watch the video carefully haha)
***** if your paying hundreds to get a lock changed - you need a new locksmith! Haha :)
Pretty sure it's against the law to do this as a landlord
He says it's impossible to remove without drilling the lock... not exactly true. A sufficiently thin triangle pick can actually remove it. It has to be ultra-thin to fit between the key and the lock itself, and resistant to bending to push each pin up over the lip... probably tungsten carbide, if they can make a piece of tungsten carbide that thin and precise.
Queen Of Cards its more for tenants already evicted
First off this DOES NOT PERMANENTLY DISABLE the lock. We locksmiths would have no trouble removing this stupid product. We wouldn't have to drill the lock to remove this
Secondly: The Eviction Process
A landlord must file a lawsuit in order to evict a tenant. The landlord cannot make a tenant move by turning off the utilities. Also, a landlord may not evict a tenant by locking the tenant out, changing the locks or removing personal property from the rental unit.
But he can REMOVE a door for repair. If that repair happens to take a few days due to a holiday weekend, so be it. Now the deadbeat tenant has an "open door" policy.
Agreed. As a locksmith, this can be easily removed with no damage to the lock whatsoever.
my dad is a landlord and in his contract with the tenant, it states that if he wants to evict the tenant, he gives a 6 month warning, and if they don't move out, then he sues
the tenents are good people so I think they would move out. one is my grandmother, and the other is my dads secretary (although she has some mental stuff that makes her do some weird things) so I think they would move out with little fight
A side shim running along side the stuck key seems to be the easy removal option. That's what I immediately thought of seeing it.
If a landlord did this to me they'd be buying a new door.
+Adam Bodford Or window.
Scott C No, definitely a door. Just for spite. Glad I don't rent anymore.
Or pay the bills and behave like a gentleman, and no landlord will do this to you. If you start demolishing the house you will only get in a lot more trouble.
+Richard van Pukkem And another thing you shitass little thief. I own more land than you do by a sight. I own enough land that you can get lost on a section of it. I don't have to rent. I rent houses myself and when it's time for them to leave I let them get their stuff like a real "gentleman" not some shitass slimy thief locking the door on them so I can pick through their belongings like a vulture later.
So much aggresion
I have definitely removed one of these with a broken key extractor before! absolutely no damage to the lock. Sliding down the side of the key and lifting all the pins out of the groove solves this.
20 bucks for that thing? Why not just hand file a 90 into one of the valleys on an existing key? Seems a bit of a ripoff to me.
Pice is their so kids don't abuse it, if you legitimately want to stop someone getting into your property, you would happily pay $20.
Holexification kids will go in through a window and open the door from the inside. Anything "tactical" is fucking junk sold to morons who live in a fantasy land.
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but they're red!
You'll have to call a locksmith after using a backcut key blank anyhow, if you don't know how to drill a lock.
Actually the point is to just insert the key and walk away, don't break it off right away. Now the contact info is still relevant and the locked out party is able to 'break' their half the key off and walk away with the note.
Woah! A useful reply. Thanks!
Thats what I was assuming as well, either way they aren't getting it out.
roadhuntingfreak
Not *really* break?
+Maxx Fordham oh wow! Here we are again! I feel sorry for these that get ur updates/notifications. Wish I could comment on original thread! You toy-loving creep. Go hug ur stuffed animal when your mother tucks you in. You look like you live wit ur mommy. Your a nutjob
+Christopher Payne, my *what* is a "nutjob" (just according to you, but not really)?
And why is it that weak morons like you think bringing in unrelated subjects is a "good way" to make their lame points?
I feel bad for anyone who is replied to by you.
I cannot think of a non-malicious use for this device.
A landlord would be better served swapping out the lock cylinder (5 minutes with a cross-tip screwdriver). If, for legal or security reasons, the door could not be opened at that time, a doorknob overlock would be a better solution.
Hotels with card-keys would simply re-issue a new key, cancelling the old one.
This is actually really really useful. Say someone broke into your house and stole your keys and you didn’t have time to change the locks. You could use this then as a temporary solution
Could you explain óne more time why the key is stuck at the end? Slowly and specific please.
So you buy this for however much, ruin the lock, and then have to hire a locksmith to eventually open the door. Seems cheaper to skip this thing and just pay a locksmith to rekey or replace the lock.
Either way, a pissed-off tenant or whomever you're trying to keep out will get in if they want to badly enough. A 12 gauge will bypass this thing.
This is possibly the stupidest product I have ever seen.
Want to keep a tenant out of a house? Change the locks.
It's more of a prank key
That's a really mean and shitty prank.
+sghost128 no brainer's job, then the land lord has to break the door coz there is no magic key to open it....what a fucking reviewer and that stupid key maker
+sghost128 These people don't know what they're talking about. Products like this aren't intended for pranks or landlords. They are used mainly by military and law enforcement as an access denial mechanism when specific areas need to be locked down fast during an emergency.
+Ben Aguilar Exactly. Even in a lock changing to keep a tenant out type of situation, you could have one of these handy to immediately disable the lock. Then you can get it changed at your leisure.
I nominate this as "The Most Useless Product Ever."
Ok, so its a vandalism tool since any "landlord" would probably be able to re-core any lock they have.
Also, its just binding on pin 4. Maybe a "key extractor" won't get it out, but any thin lock pick will, just push pin 4 up and out she comes.
How about this: Superglue. that is all.
+htomerif In some/most states, self-help evictions are not lawful, meaning the tenant would be within his rights to kick down the door and the landlord would have "dirty hands" in the eyes of the court. (Aka, the judge will view the dispute as one between two law-ignoring idiots, rather than a "good guy" and a "bad guy".)
It looks like this might be a police/military tool. It is totally pointless if you have more than 5 minutes to kill the lock. And even as a military tool, a door lock can not be any stronger than the weakest point on the door. This maybe possibly might be used by the police, but it looks more like a vandalism tool.
blkgardner Well, I can tell you from personal experience that pretty much every military door lock has gone over to the keys with the milled channel on the side, so this key wouldn't fit. As far as padlocks go, well.. everyone has universal padlock removal pliers anyway :P
I think law enforcement has actual lockable (somewhat expensive) insertable tools.
So yeah, this seems to be just a vandalism tool. Specifically a tool for mentally challenged vandals that somehow have a lot of expendable cash.
Lol... $20 ... Ridiculous. Just quickly use a file on the original key.
I'm definitely buying this. It's so practical and useful.
You could defeat this by putting a shim alongside the lock-kill and pushing up on all the pins while extracting the lock-kill.
could also fill lock with super glue...
I make dozens of these with blank keys and a file and go door to door ruining people's property.
lol
+Ta Baron Oh great. Now everyone is going to want to buy locks that are "Lock-Kill" proof so the JDs in their neighborhood won't lock them out of their house! Great way to kill Kwikset and Schlage's business-- though since none of those locks are bump-key proof, maybe it's just as well that they stop making those crappy locks altogether.
+Ta Baron Fucking commies...
You just admited to a crime, you know that right?
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Awesome product! Thanks for reviewing this absolutely not malicious device!
Dose it work on the newer style Smart key locks from Kwikset. That is pretty much all they are making now days.
I could see someone get this key make about all the copies you need to lock out an entire apartment complex just as a prank.
I can bypass this easy enough. A broken key extractor is very thin and has a flat edge. Push that edge against the pins and push then all the up. Now nothing is holding the kill-key in. You may need a second broken key extractor to gram the kill-key if the bow has been snapped off.
This is basically 30 second job.
Make a vid!
Send me the kill-key and I will.
I was thinking/wondering the same thing.
you probably can fit a paper clip to push the pin up
A paper clip is too fat. A broken key extractor is about the same thickness as a business card. Maybe even thinner.
I'm not convinced one of those tools, like a key-extractor or something pretty similar wouldn't work. If it's thin enough you should be able to insert it in parallel with the key and lift the pins up one at a time as you pull out the key.
What about a strong magnet over the pins? Would that do the same thing as flipping the lock over and letting gravity release the key, or are the pins non magnetic?
I think that key, not SURE , but let us ZOOM in a bit and take another CLOSE FUCKING look. I think....see that little line, you know that silver line. Let's get another key here to SHOW YOU THAT LINE...that is the LINE that makes sure the key breaks.
I mean holy shit dude...seriously, we GET IT!!
Thin shim, lift up pins, pull out 'Lock-Kill', done.
Absolutely. Fortunately for the user of this item (don't want to call it a "product" since anyone who knows how to use a file can make one), most people have no real knowledge of how locks work.
Nic Neufeld
fair and true coment
What about sliding a thin horizontally flat pin on top of the key? Or perhaps a good whiff of compressed air can lift the pins whilst retracting they key?
I am curious, but I have a suspicion, that although you couldn't
get it out with an extractor, you could likely get it out with an extractor AND a bypass knife or something similarily thin
$10 you can buy 25 key blanks and spend like a minute with a Dremel on them.
+Michael Parker yup, or even a small file will do it. You can get a set of jeweler files for like 10 bucks, and you can use em for all sorts of other stuff too. so for the original price of $20, you can have 25 of these and a very handy set of files
Buy the blanks and they will cut those for no extra cost,ddddooooyyyy!
Remove door, turn it upside down, remove key.
no doesn't work. it works on his because he has no springs installed
+milano007100 ah, i obviously have no clue how locks operate. oops
Joe Armijo well no one knows everything when born, you will learn things faster then you think
Your profile pic makes this 10x funnier
c4 on door, door opens
I can already imagine all the "pranks" with this
if your stuck a combo lock decoder next to the brocken key could you pull it out
nope dont think i like it only makes it harder for landlord to get back in to change the locks so just change the lock or inject the lock with glue if its a quick lock out and secure and save 20 bucks
How will the property owner or landlord get in? So you destroy a lock, then you destroy the door and jamb later?
Blaine Bugaski Yep, it is humorous the website promotes this $10 thing as saving the landlord $20 - $50. When in actuality it is adding more to the price, you need to pay for a new lock as this one is destroyed and now you can not even access the property. Wow you save the 2 min needed to change a lock right then, but it costs you a lot more time and money in the long run.
Wonder what their sales rate is for this crap.
+MrNateSPF I think its more about giving tenants a big fuck you, by possibly making them waste their time trying to get through it gingerly. If the tenants destroy property to get in, it is their money to pay. A landlord would want to change the lock on the back door and key kill the front door, until everything is taking care of. It almost seems as if it is a tool to possibly entice tenants into destroying property, to lose their deposit. The landlord would have to change the locks anyway after evictions.
Dangling an eviction notice from one of these would defiantly feel like a kick in the balls if it happened to me xD
It would be incredibly useful in condos, where the landlord and tenant both have their own entrances into a property.
Do you think landlords change locks after people move out or are evicted? Most likely not. The same landlords that paint everything, including the vent covers and wood trim. I can't blame them either. I would want to save as much money as possible too.
Blaine Bugaski
Many do have several sets of locks. Remember just because they are taking the locks out does not mean they need to be thrown away, rather they can be used the next time a lock switch is needed.
This reminds me. I think I've got a broken key in my pickup door. If I could get it out easily enough with a key extractor, I would be happy to try.
Well those extractors should be key shaped and the full height of the lock so it pushes the pins up and releases the key. Then either use a tool or a magnet or something to get the key out.
I could see this being useful if you own a business with a back door and one of your former employees has a copy of the key to that particular door.
Or another use could be for something you never want opened again. Like a building that is scheduled to be demolished. The broken off key would mean it can't be opened with the correct key, or picked. Most alternative entry methods would leave obvious evidence.
A house for demolition is literally the oly time something like this would be useful. even then, they can just screw the door shut.
easily removed with a thin lock pick by pushing the the pins up.
What's the difference between this and a Key + File? Could you just make an extra deep cut in the first groove and create the same thing?
Even if you wanted to make an easy to snap break off point and the shoulder of the key, you could still file one in.
SO once the land lord has disabled the lock, how does the landlord access the property? Also, I think you could extract it if you lift each pin in succession or use a pick with a diamond or 45* end to allow the pins to ramp up over the straight cut.
I was a locksmith for 20 yrs. This is a tool that will make it very costly for the property own. You have a trip call plus drill cost and then you have the new lock cost and the keying every other lock on the property to match new keys. Most locksmiths will tell you to just call them and let them go out and do a lockout if it is a business and in most states if it is residential you have to go through the eviction process that the law mandates. Using an item like this will most likely be x however many outside doors there are. So as a professional I would never recommend this product at all.
100% not effective what so ever. all yo have to do is slide a pick, key extractor or shim that is thin enough into the lock, push the pins up to the top and with pliers or another key extractor pull the broken key out
That's what I was thinking. I imagine it'd have to be thinner than usual tho
I was thinking something along the lines of a set of feeler gages and tin snips to get the Thickest feeler gauge that will fit in there to Same with as the key
Would the lock on the opposite side of the door work after this has been done. With the actual key for the lock I mean.
Could you use this to disable the lock while in the unlocked position? In other words, make it such that the lock is now unlockable?
the only purpose i see for this Lock Kill key is as an act of vandalism. if you're a Landlord and you go through legal channels and get your judgement, the Police will show up with the Court Documents stating it's Illegal to enter the property and at that point, you can Legally re-pin the locks. any Landlord who uses this tool on it's tenants without the judgement, will be in jeopardy of turning the courts against them should the tenant file a claim in court not to mention, now the Landlord has to get the lock replaced since the broken off key can't be extracted. on top of that, there are usually more than one door entry points to a residence so you're going to disable them all? they can't get in and now, neither can you as the Owner of your own property.
what i can see happening here is the tenant who's either behind in rent or mad at the Landlord, breaks the door and jamb to re-gain entry. now the Landlord has another issue to fix in addition to the lock... and that's only IF the tenant feels bad about not having the money and not going off and damaging a whole lot more inside.
if you want to lock a tenant out, pick the lock, re-pin and leave them a note saying you'll let them in when the rent is paid... but even that's not legal in most states.
i don't see any real purpose in this key other than malicious. sorry.
Best lock kill ever is tooth picks and super glue. Jam both into lock and I guarantee no one is getting it out.
an anti fur trade friend used Glaziers sharps which are like headless carpet tacks, when they were protesting at fashion stores. hit one of them into a lock the only way out is with a drill, super glue can be dissolved and the tooth picks removed fairly easily
C .Wright Thats not protesting. Thats destruction of private property?
C .Wright Where can I get some? I have so much private property I want to destroy... So little time.
+joblessalex If you're a vandal this method could be a lot quicker-- just stuff the key in and run.
Syncopator But vandals are poor....
Wouldn't it be possible to insert a strip next to the piece that lifts the tumblers and then extract both as one unit? Kind of like a shim for handcuffs.
Can you still turn the dead bolt from inside with this stick in the key side?
so how do you flip the lock to remove the key when its bolted to the door that is locking everyone out...
+Icebirdg34 :D how do you remove the lock when you are locked out?
+StrongManMattt kill it with fire
+StrongManMattt actual locks have spring loaded pins. Flipping the lock would do nothing.
Nail. Hammer.
Jim Fortune
What about them?
Maxx Fordham Just a list of tools needed to disable a household lock.
In more detail:
1. Nail a little bit too big to fit easily in the keyway.
2. Hammer heavy enough to drive the nail deep into the lock.
Optional: small bolt cutters to cut the head off the nail.
Oh, good, Jim Fortune, you actually said something that made sense this time, instead of just a list of words with no context to them. Thank you.
Maxx Fordham The context was a video showing a great new tool for disabling household locks.
Yep, it was, Jim Fortune, but still, just saying 2 words by themselves didn't mean anything, which is why it was good that you added the needed detail. Right?
I hope you at least appreciate the compliment I gave you about this.
Can you disable the lock in the UNLOCKED position as well?
Doesn't Schlage & Kwikset make a Construction insert that goes to the back of the cylinder that basically does the same thing? Both can be removed with an extractor!
ITS Tactical A lock with no tumbler springs? Great. But in any case, this could easily be shimmed.
+Spoif I suppose that might be the point, a decent locksmith can probably extract the key without destroying the lock or the door.
9 bucks for one of these? Damn, or I could just buy a key blank, and dremel the same style cut and bend it to break it
If I'm the landlord and do this, how do I I get back in? I kept the tenant out, but kept myself out, too. I'll need to replace the lock eventually anyway, why not just do it now instead of later?
the amount of trolling u could do with this shit is insaaaaaane
too much talking boring video
There are ZERO legitimate uses for this product. No owner would ever use this on their own door. This is a vandalism device.
you realize landlords have to CHANGE OUT ALL THE LOCKS when a tenant is evicted but keeps the keys, right? so the locks are trash anyways.... thats the fucking point
If they're not broken, they can be sold. Ebay, Amazon, Craigslist, etc. But I think this product has a legitimate purpose. Keeping former tenants out in between lock changes is one. Preventing a lock from being pickable is another. This is an easy and fast way to convert a back or side door so that it can't be unlocked from the outside, so that the visible front door is the only way in. Still, $20 is ridiculous when the existing key can be converted to a trap key with a file. This is marketed to the ignorant who can't be bothered to learn how a key works.
And what stops the landlord from going to a locksmith and having the entire set of locks rekeyed? It's less expensive than a new lockset, which would have to be rekeyed anyway if the landlord uses a mastering system.
The locks are not trash just because someone has a key... Would you throw away your car if the mechanic didn't give your key back?
Different agency's & military use these during warrants & searches.
I doubt that. It would be unnecessary, it would expose the agency to liability as vandals, and violate the rights of the homeowner.
you can use one Lock-kill in other locks too?
You could actually pick the lock around the lock kill key, push the pins and pull it out.
cool story, you really think this'll keep me out?
over priced garbage
Aren’t you going to have to just change the lock anyway if that thing gets stuck in the lock I mean this seems pointless to me. If I own a rental home and I break this thing off inside the lock how am I gonna get in? Can’t I just change the lock?
So how would one open the door once the lock kill has been broken off inside the lock without completely destroying a $40-$60 Schlage dead bolt?
It's aluminum. Making it easy to grind away, with a simple mini file. Not a good tool at all. It's practically useless.
+Spinoblood21 how would you file that off?? seriously?
+Mercer Frey easily, use a file its soft aluminium.
+gary nugent where are you gonna find a file that's gonna fit into a small key hole ? it has to be ridiculously small and if you somehow managed to fit a "mini file" into that tiny space, it wouldn't be practical at all.
+Mercer Frey They are discussing making their own. Hard to tell because of context, but one should just assume so and get on with life.
***** With a small file
This is one of the dumbest "inventions" I've seen. If one would even consider doing this why not just take the key that fits the lock and break it off? Just put jb weld in the damn lock. I just don't get this. Have they ever made a sale??
its tactical bought 2;)
+Patrick M that answers my question at least.
because if you break off a key that fits someone can spin the lock mechanism and get in you absolute fucking spastic.
+Angus Evans That's why you would file the key down so it doesn't work anymore.
Can you not fit a thin piece of metal up into the lock? Because I'm willing to bet that I can push all the pins up and over that 90 degree cut, just like picking the lock except backwards and probably easier.
Can you just blast the keyhole with compressed air and pull the Lock-Kill? I assume the compressed air would lift the pins.
holy shit please stop reviewing things, for humanities survival stop...
+Kyle Dunstan next video: Bottle opener review -> video length = 10 hours.
Wow does he think we have no knowledge of anything? The way he explains every single very simple thing like we have lived in a padded cell all our lives is infuriating, reminds me of american cable tv documentaries.
It really is a stupid product anyway as all the comments below say, and way overpriced for what it does, since changing the locks would be a much better solution since you will have to anyway, and if you are half decent at DIY can do it yourself and then you have a lock you can use another time.
nice explanation of the "lock keel"
Kwikset (and Weiser) smartkeys which use the 66 blank as seen above don't have typical pins, which I'm pretty sure would not catch it
That being said you could just rekey the lock if it's a smartkey because it only takes seconds.
What are the practical reasons I would want one of these?
All you need is a little steel drill and drill the key through.
Depending on the lock there might be enough gap for this still extractor to get into lift the pins.
I would also try bumping on the core while pulling the key out after each bump.
I don't get it. If I want to keep my tenant out, wouldn't I just change the lock. Wouldn't using this key keep me out as well?
So ...how do you get back in if you do the all the doors ?
Most people dont know how to get a broken key out anyway. Why not use a cut key that is a different bitting, break it off, the plug won't turn, but the key can still be removed with an extractor. But the, there is a way using a thin shim the can be used to reach beside this lock-kill key and lift the affected pin stack. It can be done. And it can save a lock especially if it is an expensive lock. You dont want to use tooth picks or super glue or anything that will ruin the lock. All you want to do is temporarily prevent access until you change the lock or repin it.
There's a pinning method that traps the previous key ie the one the tenant ex-lover etc. has. Also a core extractor would be preferable to a drill after using that suicide key
This would've been so useful. We once had tenants and they didn't pay rent, but we couldn't just change the locks (that's illegal in Colombia) or anything really, but I'm sure this would've come in handy.
Interesting thanks.
But they'd still need to unlock it to achieve removing the key, but how so from a double dead bolt type lock?
This could actually be useful. However on a euro cylinder it would prevent egress.
The East German STAZI had a similar device that was reversible, which was used while inside an apartment, to block the key working from the outside while they did whatever spy stuff they were up to. A built-in lever lifted the trapping pin clear for removal.
does it permanently disable it or does it permanently enable the lock??
Put this in my neighbors door, best prank ever.