It did it for like 10+ minutes though while Picard and crew hot their shit together enough to actually save the day. It ate those photons for breakfast
@@xyeahtony1 Thousands of Starfleet officers and crew have likely perished in their defense of Space Dock. I hope their sacrifices managed to save President Chekov and other dignitaries who escaped back to Earth on secure pods, as hinted in the introductory scene. One missing scene from the finale is a memorial honoring all who perished during this assault, which most likely numbered 10 to 15 times more than the Battle of Wolf 359 casualties (11,000 according to Captain Shaw).
Anyone remember the PC game Starfleet Academy? Every now and then, when I was flying one of the ships, I'd turn and attack Spacedock, just to see if I could do any damage. I couldn't.
@@anakinflair the number one best example of a federation starbase in combat is Star trek armada 3, it's a mod for sins of a solar empire and basically what you see in this episode is what the spacedocks in that game do when they are engaged by fleets, they don't quite last hours on end but they hold their ground for a long time and tend to take ships down with them.
Space dock is a freaking fortress.Taking fire for hours from 200+ ships, firing back and hitting more than just a few. Oh and all of this while holding Earth planetary shields. Impressive
For a station that has been in many conflicts, been damaged, nearly destroyed, and rebuilt. ESD is a Fortress Station. Having weapon and defenses you would never find on a starship. All because they are too powerful and the core of a station is gigantic and powerful.
For comparison, the original tos Constitution Class Enterprise had enough power in its phasers to glass a continent in a few hours with continuous sustained fire. That's with the old phaser tech. All of these new federation ships with multiple up to date phaser arrays on the ventral and dorsal sides of their hull. That's a frightening amount of fire power that station is tanking
I usually make fun of Spacedock, since it had barely any defensive weapons. But the shield generators that thing has have got to be skyscrapers in scale, to be able to take on 200+ ships....for an extended period. Maybe next time they'll actually mount proper defenses in, around, and on Spacedocks so this kind of massed bombardment can be responded to properly.
I'm glad that they actually showed Spacedock as the force to be reckoned with that it is, especially since there have been some Trek tube theories that questioned it's importance.
Lets be real, after Earth getting attacked basically in every second Star Trek movie and in every Star Trek Series at least once, including two Borg Cubes and one Dominion attack if I remember correctly......there is no way they wouldnt fortify space dock and earth in general to the absolute most. Not the first time Star Fleet basically lost their navy and had nothing left to defend earth, its most valuable member planet However Space Dock couldnt take it all day and was actually destroyed by the fleet here in the end, but the guys in charge of the static station defenses surely took a lot of star fleet ships with them to the grave as we can see several blow up in the few shoots we get here alone. I can imagine a station defense guy on spac dock getting mocked all his life by his star fleet weapons officer friends on the star ships because he never would fire at anything and was useless. They sure went out kicking here, especially considering we can assume the transporter tech of the borg was also installed on Space Dock transporters by the changelings and that there was a massive slaughter happening on space dock.
@@noobster4779 the fact that the borg and changelings knew Spacedock was going to be a massive obstacle in their way. they probably had changelings sabotaging systems internally before the attack as well.
Matalas did us Trekkies a solid. He managed to make an entire season for the fans. Was it packed full of memberberries? Yes but that was part of what made it so great. It made us remember TNG and showed respect for the characters. After how horrible Trek has been since 2009 I never would have imagined I'd be cheering out loud as the original cast of TNG pulled the Enterprise D out of a space dock heading out to litterally save the galaxy one more time.
@@kelvinicio and before that people complained about Next Gen. People complained about every series for some idiotic reason or another, whether it be because of darker tones, more combat, female captains, no enterprise or the series disrupting their headcanon, someone had something to cry about.
Just noticed. Spacedock is actually returning fire and destroys a couple of ships during this scene. It isn't just sat there turtling up. Its actively defending itself. Theres an early moment where it cripples a Sovereign as well. You see it lurch off out of control after a massive torpedo hit. It did DS9 proud.
People forget space dock is like ×10 the size of DS9, it's also been 3 decades since Operation Return, and not to be synical about it, but Earth is way more important of a military hard point than Bajor was. Star Fleet can't be accused of always making good tactical decisions, but even they know reinforce a central point like earth to hell and back.
DS9 is also just a converted Cardy mining station. Spacedock is a continent sized behemoth that would be kept up to date with the most powerful tech Starfleet has. That fleet was needed to break through her defences or they would have failed.
Don't forget how powerful the station Deep Space 9 was and that was a fraction of the size of this station which also has enough power to house the planetary shields.
Deep Space 9 was actually built by the Cardassians as its primary military base off Bajor. It was formerly named Terok Nor. But yes, its Cardassian defenses were very powerful and since they took over Starfleet and the Bajoran militia must've upgraded its defense system multiple times, given how important the station was during the Dominion War.
@@LGranthamsHeir The cardassians really shouldn’t get that much credit. Cardassian technology was inferior to Federation, Klingon and Romulan tech. Lastly they stripped it of all defenses and weaponry when they left. It was a big point of DS9’s earlier seasons that it was on the frontier with nothing but runabouts to defend them for awhile. That’s why it was such a surprise to the audience and the Klingon fleet when DS9 showed it’s fangs for the first time. Same when the Dominion attacked they expected to walk over DS9’s shields but the Federation adapted to their weaponry better since the Odyssey was destroyed.
@@stephenvargas5806 not sure if Cardassian technology was inferior to klingon tech. it think they were losing the war against the klingons just because of the sheer quantitiy of ships the klingons threw at them. apart from a few modern ships klingon military was still stuck 100y in the past and even with the cardassians loosing colonies and planets they conquered and also a lot of ressources they where able to hold themselve against the federation in the border wars.
If you want to see how fantasy mirrors reality watch this episode. Actually, the whole season. “Eliminate the unassimilated.” That could very easily be eliminate the unvaccinated. The enemy tries to tie everything in together so they can track your every movement. Watch the season and see how the Borg and the Changelings are a mirror to today’s liberal left. You want to see a good comparison to abortion? Watch Voyager season five episode 2 “Drone”. They have a moral dilemma on whether or not to abort an unborn Borg Drone. They decided it would be morally wrong. They decided to give life a chance. Fantasy mirrors reality
Ds9 was an old cardassian processing station it wasn't even a military facility. considering how damn powerful the Cardassian Weapon Platforms where and i assume still are its a real shame we don't see something similar defending earth in addition to ESD,
You either secure the asset or you destroy the asset. She was right. Except for a few in deep space and Enterprise D. They were all that remained of Starfleet. It was their job to defend all of Earth. What I would have liked, but was obvious. Is that Space Dock tried to coordinate their fire and say thank you. Yes, their sensors would have picked that up. So they knew they had at least one help. It would have added to the emotion of the scene.
@@raven4k998 If ESD had blown up like the Death Star there is no way in hell that it could have been replaced in only one year. Starfleet engineers are good but there are limits, they aren't all Scotty or Geordi. The station was "mission killed," disabled but not destroyed (obviously) so there actually was something the engineers could stick back together with Bajoran chewing gum and space duct tape. 😄
@@robertf3479 na six months tops cause starfleet is way way more competent then the imperials yes I am serious if the imperials can do it starfleet can do it in half the time plus starfleet has replicators the imperials do not simple🤣
I can't stop thinking about the aftermath of this whole mess. An entire generation of young Starfleet officers all with PTSD of being a Borg drone and involved in attacking/killing their superior/colleague/friend/family. I think Picard would be more valuable as a counselor from now on given his personal experience in the matter.
My big problem is that Starfleet has been "taken over" by so many different enemies in the past 20 years. It's insane how it keeps happening. But then we wouldn't have this lol
Yeah, every officer/starfleet staff on active duty and 'older than human-equivalent 25' is dead and the only active starfleet officers left were _the ones who killed them_ . And they all now have LocutusBorg ptsd. Plus the damage to.....a lot.....of Starfleet top tier ships and the loss (I'm assuming, or at least near total destruction of Spacedock and earth defences. The borg didn't exactly win but they didn't exactly lose, either.
@@keyboardt8276 You'd want the guy who was responsible for a devastating attack on Starfleet, again!, to be anywhere near the cleanup and recovery efforts? 😄
@@Tao_Tology i bet we never hear from it again, already at the end of the episode the losses are ignored. I think this episode will have zero consequences...
This is some of the best Star Trek I have seen over the last 45 years. It was just wonderful to see these characters have one last adventure. It was amazing to see Jeri Ryan take command. It's just wonderful. Thank you so much for posting this.
Absolutely agree my fellow Trekkie, I was hooked from episode 1 but episodes 9 and 10 are some of the best Trek iv ever watched. Let’s not forget about the soundtrack Iv been listening to it since it was released ❤ LLAP
ESD = freaking fortress that is withstanding barrages of photon torpedoes for hours. 1 torpedo = + 64 megaton. Every second we hundreds of torpedoes flying towards that station. That thing is tanking. Love to see that ESD is firing phasers non stop including torpedoes. The guy that did the visuals deserves a medal. (and Terry M. !)
It answers one final question. Why did the Borg just not send another cube at earth? Well... now we know. Starfleet took out a cube at the height of the Borgs power a few decades before with a minor fleet. Spacedock clearly never had anything to worry about.
Those photon torpedo yields are actually noncanon believe it or not. If we take the current yields as we've seen so far, such as The Die is Cast, Perpetual Infinity, Wolf Inside, Children of Mars, each of those shots are actually in the mid gigaton range, around 500 gigatons to be exact
Photorps might have a theoretical max of 64 Megatons, but there are a few potential problems: 1) if the photorp is not aiming the detonation, then at most half that damage will hit towards the target (based on 'Q Who' where photorps fired cause dsome damage to the Ent-D) 2) not all detonation products are dangerous (charged pions can decay after a couple hundred meters, so if the photorp is forced to detonate early this will remove 70% of the warhead's damage) 3) DS9 Tech Manual puts a photorp at 74% efficiency (a large explosion can cause matter to pass through antimatter without reacting due to the relative speed and that atoms are primarily empty space, as proven by Rutherford in his 1911 Gold Foil experiment) So a photon might be 32 MT just from being a spherical detonation, at longer ranges that 32 MT becomes 10 MT, and the DS9 Tech Manual drops that to ~7.5 MT. Most of the flash from a photorp hitting shields might be the casing being energized and hitting the shields. But the fleet size like this plus constant firepower is very impressive, along with ESD taking the firepower and returning it. Wish the fleet had been maneuvering as well to protect ships with weakened shields, rather than just forming a wall of battle and opening fire.
@@toddkes5890 those torpedo values are noncanon as it comes from a technical manual. All sources that are not from the show are considered noncanon. The times we can get decent torpedo calcs are from the episodes where they are used against a planet so that we can measure shockwave and fireball sizes. Most of these range between hundreds of megatons to a few petatons max. Let's not also forget they're variable yield weapons, but the fact is the Borg wanted the Federation destroyed. Therefore, we can conclude higher end yields were used against Earth in this scene.
2:48 Raffi: "There's a Federation ship which is not a Borg ship! Galaxy Class, registration NCC-1701-D" Seven: "ENTERPRISE!!" All Trekkers: "IT"S THE ENTERPRISE!!"
@@LGranthamsHeir Precisely what I thought 🤣 Even with that Pakled Voice 😂 "Oh no, it's another Enterprise"... Gosh that was an awesome moment in Lower Decks. Not to mention the cameo of Titan's captain at the time. 🤣
In that initial opening shot amongst the hoards of photon torpedoes being fired at Spacedock, its really nice that you can see a number of Quantum torpedoes also being fired by some of the ships!
@@marks47Yes is confirmed it will be decommissioned due one rescue operation known Mofette Gambit have compromised her critical systems. And she have been 15 years in service until the Frontier Day. Is stated in the Star Trek Logs.
Love the ensign giving the old “the dog ate my homework” style excuse for not completing his flight training…too funny 😂😂 and in any case, Ryback was also “just a cook”…
What do you mean by "knows"? He said, that he had flight lessons, but didn't finish, which makes him in this particular situation qualified enough to be their pilot, as 7 puts it "you're a pilot? You're our pilot, on your station". Yes, he's a cook, as he said, but he did some other things, so 7 uses that. They need a pilot, a cook with some flight experiences is better, than nothing.
Seven is the Executive Officer of the Titan-A, it's her JOB to know the important details about her crew. Some XOs are very good with that minutia, Seven is very, very good. Titan has a cook? WTF are replicators used for then?
@@robertf3479 I don't really think that's how it works. In this particular episode, the cook had to mention specifically that he's a cook, so 7 certainly didn't KNOW and he also had to mention his flying lessons. Again 7 had no idea about him. She just used the situation to her advantage. That's a sign of a good captain, but doesn't really speak of her as the first officer aboard the Titan. The first officer, or "number one" as they call it in Star Trek, isn't really required to be familiar with every crew member aboard their ship. 7 got a cook and a pilot in one package, that was fortunate. But that's all about it, she had no idea beforehand. Otherwise she wouldn't require to "interrogate" him.
Yeah yeah, Picard and the D saved the day of course, but Spacedock gets my MVP vote. Holy shit it was tanking the hell out of the entire fleet firing on it and popping Sovereigns like balloon animals. What a beast
You have most of your Admirals and tactical and science people along with starship repair and parts in one place, you want planetary-scale power supplies. I liked that.
I feel the same way. There was sort of a let down when everyone from the Enterprise D saved the day...but your more current technology versed officers in present day Starfleet were completely helpless. I was hoping to see the Enterprise-D tip the scales not be the down right single deciding major factor of saving the Federation yet again. Maybe that's why the "Burn" will happen, because after the Enterprise-G, the Federation is doomed?
@@wintercat2605 My issue with that is that is just strategically foolish. That's why we have so many US and allied bases spread out. I'm not sure why the writers didn't translate that over to Starfleet in the future.
It is still lucky that the Transphasic Torpedoes is not being used by any starships or bye bye Spacedock or maybe the spacedock has amor plating like the voyager
@@penjongsalcedo6289 I read somewhere (don't remember where) that transphasic torpedoes were only made available to the Enterprise E during Borg missions, and to ESG as a last resort. Same thing with ablative hull armor I think.
@@gavcarl Well I thought Sisko because he helped design the Defiant to fight the Borg, but O'Brien works too (lower decks had a joke about him being regarded in the future as the most important officer in Starfleet- maybe this is why).
@@antonbrakhage490 Are they Borg ships? I thought all the ships were Borg controlled Federation fleet, they still are firing regular red phasers and photon torpedoes at the Space Dock, not the green Borg beams. So while it's the Borg, who attacks the Space Dock, they are still using the Federation weaponry against it.
Ablative hull armor, transphasic, quantum and photon torpedoes, shield generators dozens of ships tall, dozens if not hundreds of phaser banks...I knew ESG was powerful but to hold up against all of Starfleet for hours (and knock out dozens of ships in the process) is incredible.
Ds9 was a Cardassian outpost which was upgraded to a Starbase status by Starfleet. It ended up with 5000 photon torpedoes and a full arsenal of weapons and shields.... and while DS9 was capable, its shields still didn't last as long as the ones on Spacedock (but then again, Spacedock is equipped with planetary type shields, and probably a LOT more weapons than DS9, so there's that)
The word from the Cook cadet is really moving , he is really afraid . But Seven of Nine is a great Commander and gives a powerfull speech , you are a pilot 😢😢😢 .
Don't listen to seven's first officer, she is stupid. There are ships right now in the navy in active service who are older than the enterprise d's entire lifetime. Not to mention she just saw 7 years of actual service before being destroyed and rebuilt some 30 years later.
To call it "ancient" is a bit hyperbolic. The US Navy has aircraft carriers and submarines which are in service for 40 years or more. At least the stardrive section of the restored Ent-D was probably upgraded over the years as part of the USS Syracuse, before it was decommissioned. The saucer section was heavily damaged so Geordi had to replace a lot of hardware, which he probably took from other recently decommissioned starships, primarily Galaxy class. Regarding weapons at least the photon torpedoes were likely not of the same generation as the ones used decades ago, since those would no longer be in production, but rather of a newer generation.
Earth Space Dock (ESD) is the most powerful single space based platform in the entirety of not just the Federation, but the Romulan Star Empire, Klingon Empire, Cardassian Union, and the Dominion. We see in these brief scenes that Spacedock was hitting hard enough to knock out multiple ships at once, including Sovereign Class starships, who even at this point in the Timeline, are still absolute Units of defensive capability. Remember in First Contact the Enterprise-E was tanking Borg weapons fire without breaking a sweat, weapons fire that was slicing up Steamrunners and Akiras. In terms of raw firepower, the fleet hitting spacedock was outputting enough to completely destroy an entire planet with each volley. We know this as we learn in DS9 that 20 Romulan and Cardassian ships destroyed almost half an entire planet, not just the surface, half the mass of the planet, with a single volley of distruptor and torpedo fire. In idea circumstances, Spacedock was never intended to fight such a large fleet alone, and as such, would have been effectively invulnerable, for no enemy but perhaps the Borg could have gotten enough firepower onto it for long enough to penetrate it's shields.
Taking out 2 Sovereign Classes, 1 Akira Class and 1 Inquiry Class in the span of 3 seconds is very impressive indeed, I really like what they are doing with this scene, Probert Station, Or the new ESD has a very peacefull looking exterior and to see it holding not only its own but dishing out some very serious firepower is absolutely amazing. Also, ESD Must have been at this for hours while also running Earth's Planetary Shield's and a "Civil War" on ESD itself because i'll bet that the young officers on ESD were not immune to the Borg signal. Considering the above it is even more amazing.
@@R1ckj333this is possibly one of the best trek defensive feats we've ever seen. It shows how Starfleet truly is a force to be reckoned with peaceful intentions. No wonder they take the Superman route and never use their full potential (as we see in both Mirror and Confederation universes)
@@homelessend8557 It takes a lot to rouse the UFP, but when that poor sod does... he better be praying to whatever deity his species believes in that they make it out the other side. Humans are as unhinged as a horny Vulcan and as savage as those who killed the Klingon gods.
@@homelessend8557 I always like the point out that whenever someone fought against Starfleet, they were fighting against at best science and exploration ships refitted for combat, while the enemy had true warships. Every time, the Feds held their own. The first time Starfleet fielded a purpose-built warship, they packed the firepower and durability of a heavy cruiser into the frame and maneuverability of a Bird of Prey and called it an "escort". What's more, these "escorts" were designed to be mass produced, fielded in large numbers in an almost Klingon fashion. Starfleet could have conquered the galaxy. They chose not to.
3:51 This is why Starfleet gave Seven the most wanted station in Starfleet... the Center Chair of the Enterprise. She learned from Janeway & Picard all the right lessons.
The Borg control the ship. They should have really shut the turbo lifts down. Maybe throw some force fields up on that deck with unsanctioned movements. A force field or locked doors for the bridge would have been very helpful lol
Literally. I have been hating the Star Wars lasers that is so prevalent in most modern Trek rn. Even in this season they seem to have forgot about the phasers. THEN YES. Loved it.
At 3:53 is the moment that 7 really does become a captain. They'll make it official later, but at that point when she rally's everyone even though there is probably no way they think that they can win, that's when she becomes a Star Fleet Captain. Hope to see more of her as captain of the Enterprise.
ST has a history of capable females. Forget Helen Ripley, Sarah Connor, or Xena for a moment. TOS never had female captains or admirals, commodores, but there was little shortage of capable females.
When the bridge crew wavers at the thought of going up agaisn't the fleet, the look Faffi give 7 at 03:47 is the 'you got this' look. The speach is her channeling Janeway leading to the breath she takes at 04:26 is such a great piece of acting, in that one breath it shows what Captain Shaw meant by her being brave. In all of her battles during her time on voyager she never showed her emotions, now she has something really meaningful to fight for.
It's so good too see a female character again, that is strong, without screaming like a child, or demeaning others to get there. She was pure bad-a, and you could feel it.
"I thought... I thought I could... one day inspire people to follow me, even if it's dangerous. The way that you do." How much things changed from episode 1 to episode 10
How is just seeing "NCC-1701-D" on the tactical display as who is engaging the Borg so damn powerful. She has a transponder, she knows who she is and what she's there for.
Many aboard Spacedock and on the planet who saw the transponder ID were probably thinking "WTF?" But those who know the history of that ship and the fact that she was maneuvering to engage the Cube which should have been spotted by this time, "NCC-1701-D" should have given them some hope in an otherwise hopeless situation even if they didn't know Picard and his core crew were in command.
@@JessicaAriadne In both SciFi and in real life when things appeared darkest there was an Enterprise bringing hope with her and sometimes a world of hurt to the "bad guys." Just ask the Imperial Japanese Navy. Worf - "Perhaps today IS a good day to die! Helmsman - "There's another starship coming in. Sir! It's the Enterprise!"
@@JessicaAriadne Shortly after the 9/11 attacks the first strikes against the al Qaeda strongholds that were supposed to be out of reach in Afghanistan came from the deck of USS Enterprise (CVN 65) operating in the Arabian Sea. She showed the world just what true naval power could do. For most of her career, when faced with military threats one of the first things American Presidents would want to know was "Where is the Enterprise?"
Thanks for the review ❤I definitely feel this was a love letter to TNG fans. I personally loved the ending to the season. The final scene of our friends together was magic. Worf was a highlight his humor was just fantastic. His scenes with Raffi were great and the scene in the finale together was touching.
Anyone who’s played Star Trek Online and went through the Iconian War storyline’s final act “Midnight” know that E.S.D. is the pinnacle of Starfleets’ tech, it withstood fire from the entirety of the Iconian fleet AND survived, keep in mind the Iconians wiped nearly everything.
in the span of a few seconds (the clip), spacedock destroyed 5 ships. what a freaking powerhouse! with hundreds maybe thousands firing upon it? i wonder what the grand total was before the crew of the USS Enterprise D took down the cube?
turbolift doors close 0:42 turbolift doors open 0:50 the two officers flanking Seven have traded places missing scene inside the turbolift: "hey, wanna switch spots?"
To be fair, after the explosion, you can see it is pretty much 80% intact still, so they probably just recovered it from the orbit it was in around thr planet after the fight and dragged it back into place and got it's engines and orbital stabilisers back online.
"I am only a cook!" HAHAHA! Pearl Harbor anyone? I really do not know the spacedock handled so much of ships firing at it.....amazing defense shielding .
I think some of the old timers seeing 1701-D engaging a Borg cube on the display might have felt for the first time that they might actually have a shot.
Really goes to show how serious the Federation has become about Earth's defenses after nearly being wiped out by the Borg three times. The sheer power of that fully armed and operational battle station cannot be understated.
The primary base for the Federation and Starfleet. Borg Incursions. Dominion War. A number of Klingon Wars. Yep. If you need 90% of starfleet to do it. After the 'defense first' mindset. To even take it out. ESD did its job.
I wish it had been one of the other crewmen who had mentioned this, Raffi knows Picard and his crew's history, "The D is an ancient wreck!", completely forgetting that its been nursed back to health by a Commordore who was at one time the best engineer in the fleet (Miles Obrien is obviously onboard Space dock performing sheild and transporting miricles) The D is also being commanded by the best Borg killers in the sector (Im assuming Janeway is on the Voyager A in the Delta Quadrant looking for Chakoty)
I don't think anyone was aware that the Enterprise D had been rebuilt by Geordi aside from his daughters since he wanted it to be a surprise. That's why she said "what's left of that thing is ancient." But you're right about her forgetting that ship had the original borg killing crew on it.
I relate to the cook I was in Black Hawk over enemy territory when we took small arms fire the M60 gunner took piece of ricochet from a round in the neck and he told me to jump on the gun mount and lay down straffing fire because he saw a guy when an RPG. I informed the Cheif that I'm just a diesel tech and he's like you know how to shoot don't you so I laid down all glorious hell from that M60 don't know if I got any body but maybe it baught us some time to clear the area we called it in and let the Apaches clean up.
At least we get to see ESD fighting back with at least as much fury as DS9 when it had to defend it's self. Best NEW TREK battles I've seen yet. At least they did that right.
I really, REALLY like how powerful E.S.D. is, because it makes SO MUCH SENSE. The Federation uses matter/antimatter reactions to power their ships, and only 3 tonnes of antimatter would power the entire (current) Earth for a whole year, so warp drives must be incredibly powerful--but, like all vehicles, the majority of that power goes into propulsion, and since the square-cube law means that doubling a ship's dimensions cubes its mass, eventually you'll hit a practical limit for how big a ship can be because its warp core output would conceivably also have to be cubed to be able to move all that mass, and eventually you'd have a ship that was all warp core and nothing else. But E.S.D. doesn't have to go anywhere. Since you don't have to lug it from star system to star system, there's no limit to the size of its warp core, and NONE of that immense power has to go to propulsion; it can all go to the planetary shields and weapons. So one E.S.D. standing up to hundreds of ships? 100% believable, and incredible to watch to boot! It wasn't just the characters and the Enterprise-D; the logic of the storytelling also felt very, VERY TNG in this season, and I loved it!
@@mastere6115 It appeared to be relying purely on shields for most of the battle though. But tbf armor would only have protected the spacedock and not Earth, so it wouldn't have been much use in this case.
It's because the Borg had already begun adapting to the armor, as detailed by both the staff and data banks of the Voyager, so Starfleet appears to have opted not to waste their time on a solution the Borg have already adapted to. Alongside that, their ships are already so OP by this time that they were basically flying weapons platforms with undeniably superior offensive and defensive systems than their neighbor's dedicated warships, and performing exploration better than anyone else's science vessels, so it would've been a pointless use of resources with nobody able to compete
The active ships were; there are likely many more in mothball storage in case of war. We saw larger fleets during the Dominion War but that was wartime, and many of the ships we saw were Excelsiors and Mirandas, likely pulled from mothballs with minimum crews. The 200 or so ships here are probably what Starfleet keeps on active duty fully crewed, plus likely some are still watching the borders.
@@xyeahtony1 I know. But Starfleet is the largest organisation in the entire alpha quadrant (Romulans are out of the game, Cardassians were demilitarised and the Klingons lost almost everything during the Dominion war). Despite what they stated, what was shown was not all of Starfleet. Hell, look at the first two seasons. Likely due to money concerns having to animate them all.
Seeing what an absolute beast Earth Spacedock is, now I'm wondering where it was when the Borg attacked Earth in "The Best of Both Worlds" and "First Contact."
You think if at 0:22 they weren’t being constantly given the order to fire, they would just sit there picking there noses like derp derp what do we do now?
@@liamloxley1222 That means Spacedock is considerably more powerful than your standard Borg cube. Not sure if that makes a lot of sense. Oh well, nitpicking I suppose.
@@blppt Not necessarily. The Enterprise (Soverign class) showed up pretty much last minute to fight the Borg Cube in First Contact (the only cannon time they have fought). The cube had been battered by fleet after fleet of Starfleets most powerful weapons and ships. Then the Enterprise shows up with Picard, who knew exactly where to target. Plus the entire reason the Borg got on to the Enterprise was because their shields got taken down by the Borg even after such a short fight. Spacedock was crewed by Starfleet and was repelling the fleet for what could have been around an hour. They knew the weaknesses and strengths of that class. They also don't seem to have been making any maneuvers so it was pretty much a station v station battle here. The Sovereign was easily one of the most powerful ship classes in the Alpha Quadrant (and beyond) but to take a constant barrage from a Starfleet station (see DS9, weaker than Spacedock) is too much. I'm a geek lol.
@@blppt This is like 30 something years of advances for Starfleet after fighting the Borg numerous times, Voyager coming home with future weapons that were developed to fight future Borg and popping present day borg cubes in one shot. Also after the most devastating war the Federation has ever seen with the Dominion. So it stands to reason Starfleet could have weapons that have advanced enough to this point.
That ship maybe ancient Raffi, but she's got teeth and can bust moves better then a Ballerina can and plus in the right hands she take on an entire fleet..
As I recall, the Galaxy Class does ten torpedos max per volley with almost instant reload. That and the phasers could have punched out the Shrike at first meeting.
What I find unusual about this scene is that Raffi didn't pick on NCC 1701D showing up on the screen as being Picard considering he has a history serving with him in the past.
People commenting on how impressed they are with spacedock. Anyone who's played Starfleet Academy has known for decades that space dock is almost indestructible 😂
The funny thing is that the spacedock is clearly shown destroying several borg controlled ships. Theres a decent chance the spacedock would have won without help. It just needed to shoot things faster
Just goes to show - up against 200 state of the art starships, and Space Dock was still capable of swatting several down. If any power in the galaxy moved against Earth directly with less then 50 ships, they'd be toasted. Guess the Federation learned a lot from that Breen attack.
It's not the same Spacedock, the old one is the Fleet Museum - this was mentioned when the Titan originally arrived at the museum. New Spacedock is presumably much bigger and more heavily armed.
@@evanboll4651 That is pretty much what I said, though I didn't specify any retro-fitting. It makes sense retro-fitting would have taken place, some areas refitted to the style of different classic eras, whilst others are modded for behind the scenes work, restoration, etc.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 I just figured through the decades it was upgraded but I guess I missed that part. It does seem a little odd that Starfleet would spend the resources towing the old space dock light years away when they could just refit the old one but I may be wrong.
@@scoobydoo5439 the problem is, Starfleet have been progressively making bigger and bigger ships, and well frankly, the old spaceport is so small in comparison to this spacedock that a refit might aswell just be a brand new build with how much bigger and how much more would need to be changed and added. So, why not take the old one as a reminder and keepsake for all that it had gone through and make a brand spanking new one that is considerably bigger and more tanky
Spacedock: "I can do this all day."
Alas spacedock could not do it all day sadly.
It did it for like 10+ minutes though while Picard and crew hot their shit together enough to actually save the day. It ate those photons for breakfast
@@zachmunch4807 I think it probably took that bombardment for hours
@@xyeahtony1 Thousands of Starfleet officers and crew have likely perished in their defense of Space Dock. I hope their sacrifices managed to save President Chekov and other dignitaries who escaped back to Earth on secure pods, as hinted in the introductory scene. One missing scene from the finale is a memorial honoring all who perished during this assault, which most likely numbered 10 to 15 times more than the Battle of Wolf 359 casualties (11,000 according to Captain Shaw).
@@keyboardt8276 ESD be like I didn't hear no bell
Id like to image after about an hour of that assult someone on the Spacedock would scream out "OH MY GOD! SHIELDS ARE DOWN TO 90%!"
"Oh, wait. 99 %. I must be out of shape."
After a few hours “…sure, take your time USS Titan…we can handle 1000 hits per second (sarcasm)…”
Anyone remember the PC game Starfleet Academy? Every now and then, when I was flying one of the ships, I'd turn and attack Spacedock, just to see if I could do any damage. I couldn't.
@@anakinflair did Spacedock return fire or just sat there and did nothing
@@anakinflair the number one best example of a federation starbase in combat is Star trek armada 3, it's a mod for sins of a solar empire and basically what you see in this episode is what the spacedocks in that game do when they are engaged by fleets, they don't quite last hours on end but they hold their ground for a long time and tend to take ships down with them.
Space dock is a freaking fortress.Taking fire for hours from 200+ ships, firing back and hitting more than just a few. Oh and all of this while holding Earth planetary shields.
Impressive
For a station that has been in many conflicts, been damaged, nearly destroyed, and rebuilt. ESD is a Fortress Station. Having weapon and defenses you would never find on a starship. All because they are too powerful and the core of a station is gigantic and powerful.
She knocked out a Sovereign in that opening bit.
better than Borg cube
For comparison, the original tos Constitution Class Enterprise had enough power in its phasers to glass a continent in a few hours with continuous sustained fire. That's with the old phaser tech. All of these new federation ships with multiple up to date phaser arrays on the ventral and dorsal sides of their hull. That's a frightening amount of fire power that station is tanking
I usually make fun of Spacedock, since it had barely any defensive weapons. But the shield generators that thing has have got to be skyscrapers in scale, to be able to take on 200+ ships....for an extended period.
Maybe next time they'll actually mount proper defenses in, around, and on Spacedocks so this kind of massed bombardment can be responded to properly.
I'm glad that they actually showed Spacedock as the force to be reckoned with that it is, especially since there have been some Trek tube theories that questioned it's importance.
Lets be real, after Earth getting attacked basically in every second Star Trek movie and in every Star Trek Series at least once, including two Borg Cubes and one Dominion attack if I remember correctly......there is no way they wouldnt fortify space dock and earth in general to the absolute most.
Not the first time Star Fleet basically lost their navy and had nothing left to defend earth, its most valuable member planet
However Space Dock couldnt take it all day and was actually destroyed by the fleet here in the end, but the guys in charge of the static station defenses surely took a lot of star fleet ships with them to the grave as we can see several blow up in the few shoots we get here alone.
I can imagine a station defense guy on spac dock getting mocked all his life by his star fleet weapons officer friends on the star ships because he never would fire at anything and was useless. They sure went out kicking here, especially considering we can assume the transporter tech of the borg was also installed on Space Dock transporters by the changelings and that there was a massive slaughter happening on space dock.
They probably beefed the fuck out of it after the Breen tore shit up back in the war
@@noobster4779 They would have beefed it up like they did with DS9. Regenerative shielding, Ablative armour, rapid fire quantum torpedoes.
@@noobster4779
the fact that the borg and changelings knew Spacedock was going to be a massive obstacle in their way. they probably had changelings sabotaging systems internally before the attack as well.
What force to be reckoned with? It's barely firing back and what shots I can see are completely missing.
Man, it is so strange to see Trekkies actually enjoying and discussing the show. Its feels like I'm back in the 90's and damn it feels good.
Matalas did us Trekkies a solid. He managed to make an entire season for the fans. Was it packed full of memberberries? Yes but that was part of what made it so great. It made us remember TNG and showed respect for the characters. After how horrible Trek has been since 2009 I never would have imagined I'd be cheering out loud as the original cast of TNG pulled the Enterprise D out of a space dock heading out to litterally save the galaxy one more time.
Credit to Terry Matalas.
In the 90's people were already complaining in altnet and trekbbs about how DS9 wasn't real Trek. lmao
@@kelvinicio and before that people complained about Next Gen.
People complained about every series for some idiotic reason or another, whether it be because of darker tones, more combat, female captains, no enterprise or the series disrupting their headcanon, someone had something to cry about.
The 90s were the golden days of Star Trek!!!!
Just noticed. Spacedock is actually returning fire and destroys a couple of ships during this scene. It isn't just sat there turtling up. Its actively defending itself.
Theres an early moment where it cripples a Sovereign as well. You see it lurch off out of control after a massive torpedo hit. It did DS9 proud.
People forget space dock is like ×10 the size of DS9, it's also been 3 decades since Operation Return, and not to be synical about it, but Earth is way more important of a military hard point than Bajor was. Star Fleet can't be accused of always making good tactical decisions, but even they know reinforce a central point like earth to hell and back.
@@alexandercross9081 still wondering why there is always only one ship in distance if earth gets attacked 😀
DS9 is also just a converted Cardy mining station.
Spacedock is a continent sized behemoth that would be kept up to date with the most powerful tech Starfleet has.
That fleet was needed to break through her defences or they would have failed.
From what I can tell, spacedock cripples two sovereigns and a sagan. Might be more, though.
Its like playing Stellaris and having a Citadel guarding your home system, those things are amazing
Don't forget how powerful the station Deep Space 9 was and that was a fraction of the size of this station which also has enough power to house the planetary shields.
Deep Space 9 was actually built by the Cardassians as its primary military base off Bajor. It was formerly named Terok Nor. But yes, its Cardassian defenses were very powerful and since they took over Starfleet and the Bajoran militia must've upgraded its defense system multiple times, given how important the station was during the Dominion War.
@@LGranthamsHeir The cardassians really shouldn’t get that much credit. Cardassian technology was inferior to Federation, Klingon and Romulan tech. Lastly they stripped it of all defenses and weaponry when they left. It was a big point of DS9’s earlier seasons that it was on the frontier with nothing but runabouts to defend them for awhile. That’s why it was such a surprise to the audience and the Klingon fleet when DS9 showed it’s fangs for the first time. Same when the Dominion attacked they expected to walk over DS9’s shields but the Federation adapted to their weaponry better since the Odyssey was destroyed.
@@stephenvargas5806 not sure if Cardassian technology was inferior to klingon tech. it think they were losing the war against the klingons just because of the sheer quantitiy of ships the klingons threw at them. apart from a few modern ships klingon military was still stuck 100y in the past and even with the cardassians loosing colonies and planets they conquered and also a lot of ressources they where able to hold themselve against the federation in the border wars.
If you want to see how fantasy mirrors reality watch this episode. Actually, the whole season. “Eliminate the unassimilated.” That could very easily be eliminate the unvaccinated. The enemy tries to tie everything in together so they can track your every movement. Watch the season and see how the Borg and the Changelings are a mirror to today’s liberal left. You want to see a good comparison to abortion? Watch Voyager season five episode 2 “Drone”. They have a moral dilemma on whether or not to abort an unborn Borg Drone. They decided it would be morally wrong. They decided to give life a chance.
Fantasy mirrors reality
Ds9 was an old cardassian processing station it wasn't even a military facility. considering how damn powerful the Cardassian Weapon Platforms where and i assume still are its a real shame we don't see something similar defending earth in addition to ESD,
Absolutely love that Seven orders the doors to be sealed, so many shows never think about these things
it would have been better if the station blew like the death star instead of rolling over for the borg like it did just saying🤣🤣🤣
You either secure the asset or you destroy the asset.
She was right. Except for a few in deep space and Enterprise D. They were all that remained of Starfleet.
It was their job to defend all of Earth.
What I would have liked, but was obvious. Is that Space Dock tried to coordinate their fire and say thank you. Yes, their sensors would have picked that up. So they knew they had at least one help. It would have added to the emotion of the scene.
@@raven4k998 If ESD had blown up like the Death Star there is no way in hell that it could have been replaced in only one year. Starfleet engineers are good but there are limits, they aren't all Scotty or Geordi.
The station was "mission killed," disabled but not destroyed (obviously) so there actually was something the engineers could stick back together with Bajoran chewing gum and space duct tape. 😄
@@robertf3479 na six months tops cause starfleet is way way more competent then the imperials yes I am serious if the imperials can do it starfleet can do it in half the time plus starfleet has replicators the imperials do not simple🤣
Personally think that she should have had forcefields set up around the transporter pad as an extra barrier for the young crew to find a way out of.
I can't stop thinking about the aftermath of this whole mess. An entire generation of young Starfleet officers all with PTSD of being a Borg drone and involved in attacking/killing their superior/colleague/friend/family. I think Picard would be more valuable as a counselor from now on given his personal experience in the matter.
My big problem is that Starfleet has been "taken over" by so many different enemies in the past 20 years. It's insane how it keeps happening. But then we wouldn't have this lol
We should have a counselor Picard series
Yeah, every officer/starfleet staff on active duty and 'older than human-equivalent 25' is dead and the only active starfleet officers left were _the ones who killed them_ .
And they all now have LocutusBorg ptsd.
Plus the damage to.....a lot.....of Starfleet top tier ships and the loss (I'm assuming, or at least near total destruction of Spacedock and earth defences.
The borg didn't exactly win but they didn't exactly lose, either.
@@keyboardt8276 You'd want the guy who was responsible for a devastating attack on Starfleet, again!, to be anywhere near the cleanup and recovery efforts? 😄
@@Tao_Tology i bet we never hear from it again, already at the end of the episode the losses are ignored. I think this episode will have zero consequences...
This is some of the best Star Trek I have seen over the last 45 years. It was just wonderful to see these characters have one last adventure. It was amazing to see Jeri Ryan take command. It's just wonderful. Thank you so much for posting this.
Absolutely agree my fellow Trekkie, I was hooked from episode 1 but episodes 9 and 10 are some of the best Trek iv ever watched. Let’s not forget about the soundtrack Iv been listening to it since it was released ❤ LLAP
ESD = freaking fortress that is withstanding barrages of photon torpedoes for hours. 1 torpedo = + 64 megaton. Every second we hundreds of torpedoes flying towards that station. That thing is tanking. Love to see that ESD is firing phasers non stop including torpedoes. The guy that did the visuals deserves a medal. (and Terry M. !)
It answers one final question.
Why did the Borg just not send another cube at earth?
Well... now we know. Starfleet took out a cube at the height of the Borgs power a few decades before with a minor fleet.
Spacedock clearly never had anything to worry about.
Also, the Borg are going practically extinct at this point. The super cube at Jupiter may be all that is left. Even it was only 36% operational.
Those photon torpedo yields are actually noncanon believe it or not. If we take the current yields as we've seen so far, such as The Die is Cast, Perpetual Infinity, Wolf Inside, Children of Mars, each of those shots are actually in the mid gigaton range, around 500 gigatons to be exact
Photorps might have a theoretical max of 64 Megatons, but there are a few potential problems:
1) if the photorp is not aiming the detonation, then at most half that damage will hit towards the target (based on 'Q Who' where photorps fired cause dsome damage to the Ent-D)
2) not all detonation products are dangerous (charged pions can decay after a couple hundred meters, so if the photorp is forced to detonate early this will remove 70% of the warhead's damage)
3) DS9 Tech Manual puts a photorp at 74% efficiency (a large explosion can cause matter to pass through antimatter without reacting due to the relative speed and that atoms are primarily empty space, as proven by Rutherford in his 1911 Gold Foil experiment)
So a photon might be 32 MT just from being a spherical detonation, at longer ranges that 32 MT becomes 10 MT, and the DS9 Tech Manual drops that to ~7.5 MT.
Most of the flash from a photorp hitting shields might be the casing being energized and hitting the shields.
But the fleet size like this plus constant firepower is very impressive, along with ESD taking the firepower and returning it. Wish the fleet had been maneuvering as well to protect ships with weakened shields, rather than just forming a wall of battle and opening fire.
@@toddkes5890 those torpedo values are noncanon as it comes from a technical manual. All sources that are not from the show are considered noncanon.
The times we can get decent torpedo calcs are from the episodes where they are used against a planet so that we can measure shockwave and fireball sizes. Most of these range between hundreds of megatons to a few petatons max.
Let's not also forget they're variable yield weapons, but the fact is the Borg wanted the Federation destroyed. Therefore, we can conclude higher end yields were used against Earth in this scene.
2:48 Raffi: "There's a Federation ship which is not a Borg ship! Galaxy Class, registration NCC-1701-D"
Seven: "ENTERPRISE!!"
All Trekkers: "IT"S THE ENTERPRISE!!"
@@Altixis Pakled Captain on the Titan: "IT"S ANOTHER ENTERPRISE!!"
What if The Enterprise J came 😂 its as big as the spacedock
@@LGranthamsHeir Precisely what I thought 🤣 Even with that Pakled Voice 😂
"Oh no, it's another Enterprise"...
Gosh that was an awesome moment in Lower Decks. Not to mention the cameo of Titan's captain at the time. 🤣
ww2 enterprise fans as well (the reason the name enterprise was chosen for the show was the ww2 ship that was a beast )
Seven channeled her inner Kathryn with that speech ..... she's good 😎
Yeah, I definitely get some "What would Janeway do" vibes from Seven in that moment.
Considering it was the Titan vs the fleet I'd say inner Sisko.
In that initial opening shot amongst the hoards of photon torpedoes being fired at Spacedock, its really nice that you can see a number of Quantum torpedoes also being fired by some of the ships!
Yep - fired from the correct location on the ship too. The attention to detail is stunning!
"Enterprise D? That thing is ancient"
I cried a little when she said that 😢😂
Well even the E was ancient by that point lol 😂 since F was just retiring too 😢
@@Arfarf69 They didn't say the F was retiring
@@marks47Yes is confirmed it will be decommissioned due one rescue operation known Mofette Gambit have compromised her critical systems. And she have been 15 years in service until the Frontier Day. Is stated in the Star Trek Logs.
But she is still a beast...
Love the ensign giving the old “the dog ate my homework” style excuse for not completing his flight training…too funny 😂😂 and in any case, Ryback was also “just a cook”…
He's wholesome. I want more of him.
I like how 7 knows about her crew members, even the cook, such a great character.
What do you mean by "knows"? He said, that he had flight lessons, but didn't finish, which makes him in this particular situation qualified enough to be their pilot, as 7 puts it "you're a pilot? You're our pilot, on your station". Yes, he's a cook, as he said, but he did some other things, so 7 uses that. They need a pilot, a cook with some flight experiences is better, than nothing.
Seven is the Executive Officer of the Titan-A, it's her JOB to know the important details about her crew. Some XOs are very good with that minutia, Seven is very, very good.
Titan has a cook? WTF are replicators used for then?
@@robertf3479 I don't really think that's how it works. In this particular episode, the cook had to mention specifically that he's a cook, so 7 certainly didn't KNOW and he also had to mention his flying lessons. Again 7 had no idea about him. She just used the situation to her advantage. That's a sign of a good captain, but doesn't really speak of her as the first officer aboard the Titan. The first officer, or "number one" as they call it in Star Trek, isn't really required to be familiar with every crew member aboard their ship. 7 got a cook and a pilot in one package, that was fortunate. But that's all about it, she had no idea beforehand. Otherwise she wouldn't require to "interrogate" him.
"If we get through this, you can go back to making sandwiches if you want to. NOW FLY! "
Spacedock is like some MMO boss with infinite hitpoints, you just have to keep plinking away at it.
So Yiazmat from FF12
Yeah yeah, Picard and the D saved the day of course, but Spacedock gets my MVP vote. Holy shit it was tanking the hell out of the entire fleet firing on it and popping Sovereigns like balloon animals. What a beast
You have most of your Admirals and tactical and science people along with starship repair and parts in one place, you want planetary-scale power supplies. I liked that.
I feel the same way. There was sort of a let down when everyone from the Enterprise D saved the day...but your more current technology versed officers in present day Starfleet were completely helpless. I was hoping to see the Enterprise-D tip the scales not be the down right single deciding major factor of saving the Federation yet again. Maybe that's why the "Burn" will happen, because after the Enterprise-G, the Federation is doomed?
@@wintercat2605 My issue with that is that is just strategically foolish. That's why we have so many US and allied bases spread out. I'm not sure why the writers didn't translate that over to Starfleet in the future.
It is still lucky that the Transphasic Torpedoes is not being used by any starships or bye bye Spacedock or maybe the spacedock has amor plating like the voyager
@@penjongsalcedo6289 I read somewhere (don't remember where) that transphasic torpedoes were only made available to the Enterprise E during Borg missions, and to ESG as a last resort. Same thing with ablative hull armor I think.
Damn , space dock must have that borg shielding Janeway brought back .
Hats off to Space Dock's lead designer.
Did they say who the designer was? Because let's be real, if its messing up Borg ships like that, it must have been designed by Sisko.
@@antonbrakhage490 Sisko? O'Brien you mean, with a little help from Grand Nagus Rom.
@@gavcarl Well, he IS the most important man in Starfleet history
@@gavcarl Well I thought Sisko because he helped design the Defiant to fight the Borg, but O'Brien works too (lower decks had a joke about him being regarded in the future as the most important officer in Starfleet- maybe this is why).
@@antonbrakhage490 Are they Borg ships? I thought all the ships were Borg controlled Federation fleet, they still are firing regular red phasers and photon torpedoes at the Space Dock, not the green Borg beams. So while it's the Borg, who attacks the Space Dock, they are still using the Federation weaponry against it.
Seven pulled a Janeway with that speech. 😀
2:00 I'm sure Seven must have thought about her old friend from "Voyager" Neelix when she encouraged the cook to do his job
Good catch, i didn’t think of that 😮
@@jasonbias638 If she had made reference to him. Would have died in beautifully.
This was half-assed reference to Neelix.
"Ma'am, I'm just a Cook!"
Seven: "Lunch is OVER! Man your station!"😊❤😊
So was Ryback, and he pulled off a miracle.
"This moment, here and now, we are all that's left of starfleet". You can almost hear Captain Janeway in her voice.
“See! I was RIGHT not to trust those things!” - Lt. Barclay, probably
Ablative hull armor, transphasic, quantum and photon torpedoes, shield generators dozens of ships tall, dozens if not hundreds of phaser banks...I knew ESG was powerful but to hold up against all of Starfleet for hours (and knock out dozens of ships in the process) is incredible.
Ds9 was a Cardassian outpost which was upgraded to a Starbase status by Starfleet. It ended up with 5000 photon torpedoes and a full arsenal of weapons and shields.... and while DS9 was capable, its shields still didn't last as long as the ones on Spacedock (but then again, Spacedock is equipped with planetary type shields, and probably a LOT more weapons than DS9, so there's that)
The word from the Cook cadet is really moving , he is really afraid . But Seven of Nine is a great Commander and gives a powerfull speech , you are a pilot 😢😢😢 .
And he will do an hell of piloting! I bet he went back to finish pilot training after this. You got this.
Yeah that was some Kirk level captain-ing.
She knows never to under estimate a ship's cook from her Voyager days. You wouldn't think a hernia would still be an issue in the 25th century though.
nice that Ro considered him an essential part of the skeleton crew. Replicators must have been down.
The deli line was so dumb, though. Make an effort to make the aliens a little alien, please.
A big tribute to space dock for defending earth!
Ancient, but never obsolete. It was great to see the return of this legendary ship. Hopefully not that the last time
the USS Galactica. the last battlestar in the fleet after the rest has been taken down by a hack.
Don't listen to seven's first officer, she is stupid. There are ships right now in the navy in active service who are older than the enterprise d's entire lifetime. Not to mention she just saw 7 years of actual service before being destroyed and rebuilt some 30 years later.
She may be ancient, but the grand lady of the fleet has more than enough fight in her. This is why the Enterprise D is the ship of a generation.
To call it "ancient" is a bit hyperbolic. The US Navy has aircraft carriers and submarines which are in service for 40 years or more. At least the stardrive section of the restored Ent-D was probably upgraded over the years as part of the USS Syracuse, before it was decommissioned. The saucer section was heavily damaged so Geordi had to replace a lot of hardware, which he probably took from other recently decommissioned starships, primarily Galaxy class. Regarding weapons at least the photon torpedoes were likely not of the same generation as the ones used decades ago, since those would no longer be in production, but rather of a newer generation.
0:09 (bottom left) and 0:12 (right side) Space Dock bodies two Sovereigns with a single phaser and torpedo hit. Those weapons are no joke.
Earth Space Dock (ESD) is the most powerful single space based platform in the entirety of not just the Federation, but the Romulan Star Empire, Klingon Empire, Cardassian Union, and the Dominion.
We see in these brief scenes that Spacedock was hitting hard enough to knock out multiple ships at once, including Sovereign Class starships, who even at this point in the Timeline, are still absolute Units of defensive capability. Remember in First Contact the Enterprise-E was tanking Borg weapons fire without breaking a sweat, weapons fire that was slicing up Steamrunners and Akiras.
In terms of raw firepower, the fleet hitting spacedock was outputting enough to completely destroy an entire planet with each volley. We know this as we learn in DS9 that 20 Romulan and Cardassian ships destroyed almost half an entire planet, not just the surface, half the mass of the planet, with a single volley of distruptor and torpedo fire.
In idea circumstances, Spacedock was never intended to fight such a large fleet alone, and as such, would have been effectively invulnerable, for no enemy but perhaps the Borg could have gotten enough firepower onto it for long enough to penetrate it's shields.
Taking out 2 Sovereign Classes, 1 Akira Class and 1 Inquiry Class in the span of 3 seconds is very impressive indeed, I really like what they are doing with this scene, Probert Station, Or the new ESD has a very peacefull looking exterior and to see it holding not only its own but dishing out some very serious firepower is absolutely amazing.
Also, ESD Must have been at this for hours while also running Earth's Planetary Shield's and a "Civil War" on ESD itself because i'll bet that the young officers on ESD were not immune to the Borg signal.
Considering the above it is even more amazing.
@@R1ckj333this is possibly one of the best trek defensive feats we've ever seen. It shows how Starfleet truly is a force to be reckoned with peaceful intentions. No wonder they take the Superman route and never use their full potential (as we see in both Mirror and Confederation universes)
@@homelessend8557 It takes a lot to rouse the UFP, but when that poor sod does... he better be praying to whatever deity his species believes in that they make it out the other side.
Humans are as unhinged as a horny Vulcan and as savage as those who killed the Klingon gods.
@@homelessend8557 I always like the point out that whenever someone fought against Starfleet, they were fighting against at best science and exploration ships refitted for combat, while the enemy had true warships. Every time, the Feds held their own. The first time Starfleet fielded a purpose-built warship, they packed the firepower and durability of a heavy cruiser into the frame and maneuverability of a Bird of Prey and called it an "escort". What's more, these "escorts" were designed to be mass produced, fielded in large numbers in an almost Klingon fashion.
Starfleet could have conquered the galaxy. They chose not to.
@@Dafeaz You're referring to the Defiant-class ships, aren't you?
“Sometimes, one ship can make all the difference…”
3:51 This is why Starfleet gave Seven the most wanted station in Starfleet... the Center Chair of the Enterprise. She learned from Janeway & Picard all the right lessons.
The Borg control the ship. They should have really shut the turbo lifts down. Maybe throw some force fields up on that deck with unsanctioned movements. A force field or locked doors for the bridge would have been very helpful lol
"Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair" -James T. Kirk
All that Phaser Fire looks amasing on screen.
Literally. I have been hating the Star Wars lasers that is so prevalent in most modern Trek rn. Even in this season they seem to have forgot about the phasers. THEN YES. Loved it.
but still DS9 did it better in the 90ties
At 3:53 is the moment that 7 really does become a captain. They'll make it official later, but at that point when she rally's everyone even though there is probably no way they think that they can win, that's when she becomes a Star Fleet Captain. Hope to see more of her as captain of the Enterprise.
ST has a history of capable females. Forget Helen Ripley, Sarah Connor, or Xena for a moment. TOS never had female captains or admirals, commodores, but there was little shortage of capable females.
Spacedock is that MMO tank with every buff in the game, soloing every mob in the zone...
When the bridge crew wavers at the thought of going up agaisn't the fleet, the look Faffi give 7 at 03:47 is the 'you got this' look. The speach is her channeling Janeway leading to the breath she takes at 04:26 is such a great piece of acting, in that one breath it shows what Captain Shaw meant by her being brave. In all of her battles during her time on voyager she never showed her emotions, now she has something really meaningful to fight for.
It's so good too see a female character again, that is strong, without screaming like a child, or demeaning others to get there. She was pure bad-a, and you could feel it.
"I thought... I thought I could... one day inspire people to follow me, even if it's dangerous. The way that you do."
How much things changed from episode 1 to episode 10
I just want to call out how much of a BEAST is that SpaceDock. Tanking all that damage, with no external healers. LOL
How is just seeing "NCC-1701-D" on the tactical display as who is engaging the Borg so damn powerful. She has a transponder, she knows who she is and what she's there for.
Many aboard Spacedock and on the planet who saw the transponder ID were probably thinking "WTF?" But those who know the history of that ship and the fact that she was maneuvering to engage the Cube which should have been spotted by this time, "NCC-1701-D" should have given them some hope in an otherwise hopeless situation even if they didn't know Picard and his core crew were in command.
@@robertf3479 When you see that ship registry show up in your hour of need, there is always hope.
@@JessicaAriadne In both SciFi and in real life when things appeared darkest there was an Enterprise bringing hope with her and sometimes a world of hurt to the "bad guys." Just ask the Imperial Japanese Navy.
Worf - "Perhaps today IS a good day to die!
Helmsman - "There's another starship coming in. Sir! It's the Enterprise!"
@@robertf3479 The way Worf stood up as soon as he heard that. He knew the battle would soon be over. No need to ram.
@@JessicaAriadne Shortly after the 9/11 attacks the first strikes against the al Qaeda strongholds that were supposed to be out of reach in Afghanistan came from the deck of USS Enterprise (CVN 65) operating in the Arabian Sea. She showed the world just what true naval power could do.
For most of her career, when faced with military threats one of the first things American Presidents would want to know was "Where is the Enterprise?"
As much as a 30+ loved ST-TNG, I find this the most heartening, as a 65+ now. This bodes well for any future ST Legacy.
Yeah, if they keep Kurtzman out of it. But sadly, they just gave him a big fat contract. Expect more STD in the future.
3:46 I loved the "ok, Seven, it's time for a speech and make it good" moment
Spacedock is insanely badass! They need four of em surrounding earth!
Damn spacedock, you badass
Spacedock put up a heck of a fight, but honestly they were fighting off the fleet AND the young trying to take down the Station
... just like the new generation in real life!!!
Thanks for the review ❤I definitely feel this was a love letter to TNG fans. I personally loved the ending to the season. The final scene of our friends together was magic. Worf was a highlight his humor was just fantastic. His scenes with Raffi were great and the scene in the finale together was touching.
I'm amazed they remembered the Prefix code thing. haven't heard mention of that since Wrath of Khan!
They mentioned the prefix code thing several times during TNG's run.
Anyone who’s played Star Trek Online and went through the Iconian War storyline’s final act “Midnight” know that E.S.D. is the pinnacle of Starfleets’ tech, it withstood fire from the entirety of the Iconian fleet AND survived, keep in mind the Iconians wiped nearly everything.
Manufacturer of Spacedock's ablative armor is going to get one hell of a review
7’s first official battle speech as captain. Love it!!!
in the span of a few seconds (the clip), spacedock destroyed 5 ships.
what a freaking powerhouse! with hundreds maybe thousands firing upon it?
i wonder what the grand total was before the crew of the USS Enterprise D took down the cube?
"To your station!" Oof 😍
Did everyone notice the beep tone on the prefix code scramble is similar to Reliant shield code when she being trolled by Enterprise?
“Maam , im just a cook” 😂
@VHTesla exactly!!
@VHTesla i love the Under Siege Movies.
Imagine if they had two. They'd never get through two shields at that rate.
turbolift doors close 0:42
turbolift doors open 0:50 the two officers flanking Seven have traded places
missing scene inside the turbolift: "hey, wanna switch spots?"
Good idea I'm left handed
I'll be a deleted scene on the Blu ray
Janeway would be proud of 7.
Surprised they were able to get spacedock fully repaired in only a year
To be fair, after the explosion, you can see it is pretty much 80% intact still, so they probably just recovered it from the orbit it was in around thr planet after the fight and dragged it back into place and got it's engines and orbital stabilisers back online.
The "one year later" was the Fleet Museum, not spacedock.
Spacedock likely didn't need a year for repairs ... probably only a few weeks.
"I am only a cook!" HAHAHA! Pearl Harbor anyone? I really do not know the spacedock handled so much of ships firing at it.....amazing defense shielding .
Seven has just met Neelix version 2!' Also, hopefully they keep that cloaking device. It's pretty cool.
Neelix on the other hand would do everything in his power to help saved the day as well.
The assimilated crew destroyed the cloak so there’s that. I wish they hadn’t.
The assimilated crew destroyed it.
Also, I would just like to say that with Romulus's destruction, the Treaty shoulda become Null and Void.
Spacedock the unconquerable
I think some of the old timers seeing 1701-D engaging a Borg cube on the display might have felt for the first time that they might actually have a shot.
The whole space dock space battle scene reminded me of an Eve Online or Star Wars Empire At War space battle
As a current EVE Player i can support this statement!
A Star Trek scene worthy of an EVE-Online battle.
Just needed some random Ferengi looting the wrecks while everyone was focused on the primary
After i picked up my jaw from the floor this was precisely what i was thinking, And: Now thats a Siege Fleet!
Really goes to show how serious the Federation has become about Earth's defenses after nearly being wiped out by the Borg three times. The sheer power of that fully armed and operational battle station cannot be understated.
The primary base for the Federation and Starfleet.
Borg Incursions.
Dominion War.
A number of Klingon Wars.
Yep. If you need 90% of starfleet to do it. After the 'defense first' mindset. To even take it out. ESD did its job.
I wish it had been one of the other crewmen who had mentioned this, Raffi knows Picard and his crew's history, "The D is an ancient wreck!", completely forgetting that its been nursed back to health by a Commordore who was at one time the best engineer in the fleet (Miles Obrien is obviously onboard Space dock performing sheild and transporting miricles)
The D is also being commanded by the best Borg killers in the sector (Im assuming Janeway is on the Voyager A in the Delta Quadrant looking for Chakoty)
I don't think anyone was aware that the Enterprise D had been rebuilt by Geordi aside from his daughters since he wanted it to be a surprise. That's why she said "what's left of that thing is ancient." But you're right about her forgetting that ship had the original borg killing crew on it.
I relate to the cook I was in Black Hawk over enemy territory when we took small arms fire the M60 gunner took piece of ricochet from a round in the neck and he told me to jump on the gun mount and lay down straffing fire because he saw a guy when an RPG. I informed the Cheif that I'm just a diesel tech and he's like you know how to shoot don't you so I laid down all glorious hell from that M60 don't know if I got any body but maybe it baught us some time to clear the area we called it in and let the Apaches clean up.
At least we get to see ESD fighting back with at least as much fury as DS9 when it had to defend it's self. Best NEW TREK battles I've seen yet. At least they did that right.
I really, REALLY like how powerful E.S.D. is, because it makes SO MUCH SENSE. The Federation uses matter/antimatter reactions to power their ships, and only 3 tonnes of antimatter would power the entire (current) Earth for a whole year, so warp drives must be incredibly powerful--but, like all vehicles, the majority of that power goes into propulsion, and since the square-cube law means that doubling a ship's dimensions cubes its mass, eventually you'll hit a practical limit for how big a ship can be because its warp core output would conceivably also have to be cubed to be able to move all that mass, and eventually you'd have a ship that was all warp core and nothing else.
But E.S.D. doesn't have to go anywhere. Since you don't have to lug it from star system to star system, there's no limit to the size of its warp core, and NONE of that immense power has to go to propulsion; it can all go to the planetary shields and weapons. So one E.S.D. standing up to hundreds of ships? 100% believable, and incredible to watch to boot!
It wasn't just the characters and the Enterprise-D; the logic of the storytelling also felt very, VERY TNG in this season, and I loved it!
The spacedock is a real tank.
"Line them up and I'll bury em all!" - Spacedock
I wanted to see Enterprise-E, Defiant, and Voyager vs the Borg cube battle...
Wouldn't be fair since Voyager carries transphasic torpedoes and ablative armour, voyager alone could have destroyed the cube.
... 1:45 "Transporting field to phasers, we invented some kind of portable beam-me-up, for survive."
3:36 The SFX of "Shields" from Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock. XD
chef's kiss
Space Dock Tanking the Fleet: 😎
Spacedock is built like a Porsche 911. Brutally overlooked and tough as hell. And she looks gooooood doing it.
I would have thought star fleet would have reversed engineered the Ablative generator armor tech from Voyager series that armor was amazing
They probably did, could be why Spacedock lasted so long
That technology was from the future so it was probably confiscated by either Section 31 or Temporal Investigations
@@mastere6115 It appeared to be relying purely on shields for most of the battle though. But tbf armor would only have protected the spacedock and not Earth, so it wouldn't have been much use in this case.
Its a good thing that those starships that firing the EarthSpacedockStation is not using Transphasic Torpedoes or its Byebye 😁
It's because the Borg had already begun adapting to the armor, as detailed by both the staff and data banks of the Voyager, so Starfleet appears to have opted not to waste their time on a solution the Borg have already adapted to. Alongside that, their ships are already so OP by this time that they were basically flying weapons platforms with undeniably superior offensive and defensive systems than their neighbor's dedicated warships, and performing exploration better than anyone else's science vessels, so it would've been a pointless use of resources with nobody able to compete
Sure the paint didn't come until later, but this is when the Titan became the Enterprise-G.
Playing Star Trek Armada showed me that fucking with just a regular Starbase is something you shouldn't try without at least a dozen vessels.
Particularly Borg Nexus bases...(shudders in horror).
Has anyone noticed that the formation of all the Starfleet ships are in a DNA position.
Spacedock put up a hella fight. If it wasn’t fighting every single ship in starfleet it probably could withstand any attack
That couldn't be their ENTIRE fleet. There's around 50 of them lol
@@borgCube100 maybe 200 ships, but I agree with the gist of what you said
@@borgCube100 it was literally mentioned a million times throughout the season “the entire fleet is gathering for frontier day”
The active ships were; there are likely many more in mothball storage in case of war. We saw larger fleets during the Dominion War but that was wartime, and many of the ships we saw were Excelsiors and Mirandas, likely pulled from mothballs with minimum crews. The 200 or so ships here are probably what Starfleet keeps on active duty fully crewed, plus likely some are still watching the borders.
@@xyeahtony1 I know. But Starfleet is the largest organisation in the entire alpha quadrant (Romulans are out of the game, Cardassians were demilitarised and the Klingons lost almost everything during the Dominion war).
Despite what they stated, what was shown was not all of Starfleet. Hell, look at the first two seasons. Likely due to money concerns having to animate them all.
Seeing what an absolute beast Earth Spacedock is, now I'm wondering where it was when the Borg attacked Earth in "The Best of Both Worlds" and "First Contact."
You think if at 0:22 they weren’t being constantly given the order to fire, they would just sit there picking there noses like derp derp what do we do now?
I did get it why in this scene space dock so tought , but in lower deck being taken down by 3 fecking little texas classes
Don’t forget the incident with the Texas class ships happened years before, this only proves they learned their lesson and toughen up the space docks.
As you look to your right at 0:17 next to the Titan A you can see an enterprise E class starship
Sovereign class.
@@liamloxley1222 That means Spacedock is considerably more powerful than your standard Borg cube. Not sure if that makes a lot of sense.
Oh well, nitpicking I suppose.
@@blppt Not necessarily.
The Enterprise (Soverign class) showed up pretty much last minute to fight the Borg Cube in First Contact (the only cannon time they have fought). The cube had been battered by fleet after fleet of Starfleets most powerful weapons and ships. Then the Enterprise shows up with Picard, who knew exactly where to target. Plus the entire reason the Borg got on to the Enterprise was because their shields got taken down by the Borg even after such a short fight.
Spacedock was crewed by Starfleet and was repelling the fleet for what could have been around an hour. They knew the weaknesses and strengths of that class. They also don't seem to have been making any maneuvers so it was pretty much a station v station battle here. The Sovereign was easily one of the most powerful ship classes in the Alpha Quadrant (and beyond) but to take a constant barrage from a Starfleet station (see DS9, weaker than Spacedock) is too much.
I'm a geek lol.
@@liamloxley1222 If that was the case, where was Spacedock after Wolf 359? The Enterprise-D was alone in saving Earth at that point.
@@blppt This is like 30 something years of advances for Starfleet after fighting the Borg numerous times, Voyager coming home with future weapons that were developed to fight future Borg and popping present day borg cubes in one shot. Also after the most devastating war the Federation has ever seen with the Dominion. So it stands to reason Starfleet could have weapons that have advanced enough to this point.
Seven says "You got this!" Amazing Captain Moment!
That ship maybe ancient Raffi, but she's got teeth and can bust moves better then a Ballerina can and plus in the right hands she take on an entire fleet..
As I recall, the Galaxy Class does ten torpedos max per volley with almost instant reload. That and the phasers could have punched out the Shrike at first meeting.
What I find unusual about this scene is that Raffi didn't pick on NCC 1701D showing up on the screen as being Picard considering he has a history serving with him in the past.
Seeing this I feel with the poor Spacedock...💥💥💥🤕😵
It will be criminal if Jeri Ryan doesn't get to captain the next Trek series.
Talk about a good leader
Shaw is right about Seven, although a maverick, she is very brave
People commenting on how impressed they are with spacedock.
Anyone who's played Starfleet Academy has known for decades that space dock is almost indestructible 😂
"I am just a cook."
Where have I heard that before?
The funny thing is that the spacedock is clearly shown destroying several borg controlled ships. Theres a decent chance the spacedock would have won without help. It just needed to shoot things faster
Provided they aren’t also dealing with an internal war between the young and the old.
How you can have a yellow alert in spacedock.
Just goes to show - up against 200 state of the art starships, and Space Dock was still capable of swatting several down. If any power in the galaxy moved against Earth directly with less then 50 ships, they'd be toasted. Guess the Federation learned a lot from that Breen attack.
That space dock has held up well for being over a hundred years old but look out for that alien whale probe 😵💫😵💫
It's not the same Spacedock, the old one is the Fleet Museum - this was mentioned when the Titan originally arrived at the museum. New Spacedock is presumably much bigger and more heavily armed.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 I thought the old one had been retrofitted into the museum?
@@evanboll4651 That is pretty much what I said, though I didn't specify any retro-fitting. It makes sense retro-fitting would have taken place, some areas refitted to the style of different classic eras, whilst others are modded for behind the scenes work, restoration, etc.
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I just figured through the decades it was upgraded but I guess I missed that part.
It does seem a little odd that Starfleet would spend the resources towing the old space dock light years away when they could just refit the old one but I may be wrong.
@@scoobydoo5439 the problem is, Starfleet have been progressively making bigger and bigger ships, and well frankly, the old spaceport is so small in comparison to this spacedock that a refit might aswell just be a brand new build with how much bigger and how much more would need to be changed and added. So, why not take the old one as a reminder and keepsake for all that it had gone through and make a brand spanking new one that is considerably bigger and more tanky
Seven has a cool crew with the Flying cook and the Trill Doctor + a LaForge and Raffi. Time for an Enterprise - G show staring Captain Seven of Nine!