On my second Chieftain . Just got a 2023 Dark Horse Icon.....LOVE it. Actually the clutch is different than the 2020. It is a slipper and the clutch pull at the lever is a ONE finger operation!
Very nice! Indian Motorcycle updated all of the clutches on the 2023 heavyweights, but I haven't had one out on the roadways just yet. Interesting to hear it has changed the feel that much. Thanks for sharing and being a viewer! Ride safe. 😌
After 7 new Harley’s I broke down and went with a Indian challenger is all I can say it’s like ridding a crotch rocket with bags lots of power handles like a champ and no updating engine or stereo all around a sound bike no buyers remorse!!!
We let the bikes speak for themselves on test rides, usually. Sometimes the HD guys can be a little hesitant in the showroom, but I usually let them know if they REALLY don't want to switch to Indian, they better not ride one. 😉😂
I have a 2021 springfield DH. I love it. I'm going to be doing the stage 2 cam kit with throttle body and injectors this coming summer. About 1460 for cost and labor, not too bad.
I’m new to motorcycles and I’m deciding on a batwing fairing bike. I wish the dark horse was offered in a gloss black and had stretched bags. Just my 2 cents. Of course i have a HD dealership in my home town but have to drive 100 miles to get to an Indian dealer. I’m an OTR trucker and planning on seeing what changes are made before i pull the trigger. New subscriber.
Indian is starting to offer more gloss paint color schemes on the dark horse trim. Gloss black isn’t available yet, but it might be one day. With HD releasing some new updates to their baggers, I’m sure Indian will follow that up with their own updates and changes to continue pushing the industry forward. Indian has only been back for a little under 10 years now, and the aftermarket support for the stretched look is starting to show up more and more. Safe travels amigo, thank you for all you truckers do. Whatever bike you end up on, have fun with it and ride safe! Thanks for subbing. 😎
Excellent review Omni Man! I prefer Indian over Harley. Personal preference. Maybe when I’m constantly wearing slippers😉 soonish. Great to see the weather getting there in time 🤙
It has improved since the first generation of Indian motorcycles with the old controls from 2014 - 2017.5. Any models from 2017.5 - 2021 have improved hand controls, and the infotainment system being switched to Ride-Command is a substantial leap from the old LCD radio offerings. The 2021 - 2023 models have improvements to the antennae location as well as integrated battery tenders into the dashes. Aside from those small details, I think HD still has better fit and finish overall. If I had to rank HD and Indian's fit and finish on a letter grade scale, I'd give them an A- (90-92%) and Indian would have a B+ (87-89%). Something about the Indian MC line up still has a slightly "hollow" feel if that makes sense, but the ride quality is an absolute A+. HD's ride quality could improve, but their bikes feel very complete and precise for the fit and finish side. Best thing you can do is sit on both and fidget around with the controls and infotainment systems, then ride them! Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Hey man, just came across your channel because I’m looking at potentially a 2019 Chieftain Dark Horse. What’s the comparison between this 2020 and the 2019?
Hey Syko, thanks for watching! As far as I know, there are no technical differences between the two model years. I can't say that with 100% certainty though. Lucky for us, Indian Motorcycle has a model archive where you can pull up both spec sheets side by side to compare them. 😄 Links below. 👍 2019 Model: www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/2019/chieftain/chieftain-dark-horse/chieftain-dark-horse-white-smoke-2019-indian/ 2020 Model: www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/2020/bagger/chieftain-dark-horse/chieftain-dark-horse-titanium-smoke-2020-indian/
I find simplicity is my cup of tea... the more gadgets means more problems. So, locking saddlebags does nothing for me. Some reviews say the adjustable windshield wobbles in the wind. My big question is the engine and its reliability. My buddy's Indian bagger has electrical demons and suffers from fuel vapor lock. Is the stock suspension better than the stock HD suspension, which is just so so? I have read negative reviews on Indian warranty and support. I like my Street Glide, which in my opinion is their best looking machine.
’ve owned a 2001 Suzuki katana, a 2009 gsxr 750, a Honda grom which I still own and i currently own a 2019 scout bobber. Im thinking of adding a new chieftain dark horse or Springfield dark horse to my collection. Only thing that sucks is my dealer here barely has stuff In stock cause I’m in a small town. Im 5’5 and weight about 140-145 pounds you think I’ll have issues being able to back the chieftain or Springfield out of a parking spot ?
That’s a heck of a rotation of motorcycles - nice! You’ll definitely face some challenges being on the shorter side, but it can be done. I’ve seen riders at that height do it. Get in the saddle of one to find out for yourself, and keep in mind there is a lowering link available for the Chieftain on Vic Bagger’s website if you want a little bit lower saddle. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
Unfortunately it is not coming to the states in 2023, for the first half at least. 450SS and Ibex 800 are slated to arrive in Spring, so unless CFMOTO USA announces some new machines before June, I don’t think we’ll get them for this years line up. Maybe 2024, but also maybe not. I really don’t know 😬
Honest question, what can I do to help you expand your channel? Like I know no one here is in a rush to do it over the other motovloggers and reviewers. But I'm genuinely interested in seeing if I can help. I'm not exactly well off. But like me you love the hobby and you bring some energy to this sphere that hasn't been here in some time. Also, you're definitely gonna kill it when the CFMOTO 450SS and IBEX ship out. Just incentivize viewers to sub during that time with some other content
Hey Tyrant, I can’t put into words how much I appreciate your comment. The best thing you can do for my channel is just share the content in places where you think it belongs. I occasionally post on Reddit, Facebook, TikTok, and other various platforms when I think my videos will fit, but it’s met with limited traction normally. YT has been my go to because I know that if I put the effort into the videos, people like you will recognize that and the viewers will follow. You can link my videos in comment sections on other creators channels if you feel others would be interested, and of course sending the videos to your contact lists can be incredibly helpful as well. When the Ibex and the 450SS land, I have a feeling my channel will see some significant gains from those videos - maybe not immediately, but over time. Thank you for your kind words and your continued support. Ride safe, amigo. 😎
@@347mav3 Well, I meant the whole front plastic fairing. It's as big as fridge. Possibly bigger...
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So the guy that doesn’t show his face is going to determine if this bike is good enough for me or not. Even though he doesn’t know my age if I’ve been riding before, what bikes have or have not had this is the guy that’s going to decide for me if I should buy this Indian motorcycle or not priceless .Excellent let me watch this video.😂
Face or no face, I believe I am qualified enough to provide insight and facts about the motorcycle that help prospective buyers determine who it may or not be for. Your riding experience is a personal metric that only you can truly measure and that varies from rider to rider. Ultimately it's up to the viewers to decide if it appeals to them, you included. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👍
Wait what?! The "chevy vs ford vs dodge" has been a constant rivalry for decades. Fans all compare models against each other. The "Harley vs Indian" rivalry started in 1999 and is stronger than ever today!
@@NicePantsLance Harley became Indian's competition in 1903 when HD started 2 years after Indian in 1901. I personally never compared them. Apart from both making V twins, they are differently designed engines, frames, technology and Indian owners do not have the Harley Kool-aid Cult mentality. BTW.... Mopar or no car. Lol✌️
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So the guy that doesn’t show his face is going to determine if this bike is good enough for me or not. Excellent let me watch this video.
This bike will pull you along with no problem. With your height situation, you might want to consider an extended-reach seat or have an upholstery shop shave some foam out of the OEM seat. Thanks for watching!
They appear to be ASR floorboards by Ciro that have been converted to a set of highway pegs. They’re about $150 online from the quick research I’ve done. Hope this helps!
@@0Oo..oO0 With all due respect, I don’t think you’re quite understanding what the throttle maps do. It’s a system that allows you to ‘ride’ your motorcycle more aggressively when you want to, while also giving you the ability to dial it back when conditions are varied, or even not ideal, like when it rains and you don’t need a snappy throttle that has immediate responsiveness. If you want to ‘ride’ this Chieftain normal, just put it in standard mode. It’s the same as a standard cable throttle without throttle modes.
@@Omni_Moto one of the best things about ride modes is easily the fact that it can makes riding safer or more exciting. On the CFmoto line, I've been using the eco mode more like a rain mode. Less punchy and smoother acceleration. My buddies Duke is the same way. Ride modes can be a pain sometimes with too many options. But they're not a bad thing.
@@Omni_Moto Thank you for the response. I actually am quite familiar with the concept. Two bikes ago, I had a 2018 Yamaha R1. It is equipped with Yamaha's "YRC" (Yamaha Ride Control) system, which allows riders to choose from several different ride modes that adjust the bike's throttle response, traction control, and other settings to suit different riding conditions. Here are the available ride modes on the Yamaha R1: Standard mode: This is the default ride mode for the Yamaha R1. It provides a balanced and responsive ride that is well-suited to a variety of riding conditions. A mode: This mode is designed for aggressive sport riding and racing. It provides maximum throttle response and reduced traction control intervention, allowing riders to push the limits of the bike's performance. B mode: This mode is designed for more relaxed riding conditions, such as touring or commuting. It provides reduced throttle response and increased traction control intervention, which can help improve fuel economy and reduce rider fatigue. User mode: This mode allows riders to customize their own settings for throttle response, traction control, and other features, and save them for easy access later. This can be especially helpful for riders who have specific preferences or riding styles. In addition to these ride modes, the Yamaha R1 also features a "Lift Control System" that can help prevent wheelies during hard acceleration, as well as a "Slide Control System" that can help prevent rear-wheel slides during hard braking or cornering. However, in real life ... there are many trade-offs: Reduced engagement: Some riders feel that electronic riding modes can reduce the level of engagement and skill required to ride a motorcycle. When the bike is doing some of the work for the rider, it can make the experience feel less interactive and engaging. Limited customization: While electronic riding modes can offer a degree of customization, they may not allow for as much fine-tuning as a rider could achieve through traditional mechanical adjustments. This can be frustrating for riders who are looking for a highly customized riding experience. Risk of complacency: If riders become too reliant on electronic riding modes to manage their bike's performance, they may become complacent and fail to develop their own skills and techniques for handling different riding conditions. Overall, the rider experience with electronic riding modes can be quite positive, as they can improve comfort, performance, and confidence. However, they may also reduce the level of engagement and customization that some riders prefer, and could lead to a sense of complacency if riders become too reliant on them. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and the type of riding experience that each individual rider is looking for. I see it as modern training wheels. It can get started in your motorcycle journey, but it does lessen the riding experience, to me.
Hey Jake, sorry to hear you don't enjoy them. Respectfully, I do like to create content the way I see it in my head, so I can't promise the videos in the future won't have the same edits. I appreciate your feedback though. Ride safe. Thanks.
The audio was rubbish you kept cutting in and out. Those back rests make any bike look like shit ..I hate them! Other than that you did alright son..luvlee jubilee.
On my second Chieftain . Just got a 2023 Dark Horse Icon.....LOVE it. Actually the clutch is different than the 2020. It is a slipper and the clutch pull at the lever is a ONE finger operation!
Very nice! Indian Motorcycle updated all of the clutches on the 2023 heavyweights, but I haven't had one out on the roadways just yet. Interesting to hear it has changed the feel that much. Thanks for sharing and being a viewer! Ride safe. 😌
After 7 new Harley’s I broke down and went with a Indian challenger is all I can say it’s like ridding a crotch rocket with bags lots of power handles like a champ and no updating engine or stereo all around a sound bike no buyers remorse!!!
On my 2nd Indian. Currently on a 2019 RM coming from a 2017 Springfield. Beautiful, powerful and dependable is all I can say.
We let the bikes speak for themselves on test rides, usually. Sometimes the HD guys can be a little hesitant in the showroom, but I usually let them know if they REALLY don't want to switch to Indian, they better not ride one. 😉😂
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better 👍
I have a 2021 springfield DH. I love it. I'm going to be doing the stage 2 cam kit with throttle body and injectors this coming summer. About 1460 for cost and labor, not too bad.
I just test drove this , pulled in and traded my busa for the chieftain dark horse lol wow what a bike - genx
I’m new to motorcycles and I’m deciding on a batwing fairing bike. I wish the dark horse was offered in a gloss black and had stretched bags. Just my 2 cents. Of course i have a HD dealership in my home town but have to drive 100 miles to get to an Indian dealer. I’m an OTR trucker and planning on seeing what changes are made before i pull the trigger. New subscriber.
Indian is starting to offer more gloss paint color schemes on the dark horse trim. Gloss black isn’t available yet, but it might be one day. With HD releasing some new updates to their baggers, I’m sure Indian will follow that up with their own updates and changes to continue pushing the industry forward. Indian has only been back for a little under 10 years now, and the aftermarket support for the stretched look is starting to show up more and more. Safe travels amigo, thank you for all you truckers do. Whatever bike you end up on, have fun with it and ride safe! Thanks for subbing. 😎
Excellent review Omni Man! I prefer Indian over Harley. Personal preference. Maybe when I’m constantly wearing slippers😉 soonish. Great to see the weather getting there in time 🤙
Thanks, Steve! Things are looking up here. I've got some great content lined up with some of the trade-ins we've been getting lately. Stay tuned!
How is the fit and finish now compared to HD? I know it used to not be good but has it gotten better or can it still be improved?
It has improved since the first generation of Indian motorcycles with the old controls from 2014 - 2017.5.
Any models from 2017.5 - 2021 have improved hand controls, and the infotainment system being switched to Ride-Command is a substantial leap from the old LCD radio offerings.
The 2021 - 2023 models have improvements to the antennae location as well as integrated battery tenders into the dashes.
Aside from those small details, I think HD still has better fit and finish overall.
If I had to rank HD and Indian's fit and finish on a letter grade scale, I'd give them an A- (90-92%) and Indian would have a B+ (87-89%).
Something about the Indian MC line up still has a slightly "hollow" feel if that makes sense, but the ride quality is an absolute A+. HD's ride quality could improve, but their bikes feel very complete and precise for the fit and finish side.
Best thing you can do is sit on both and fidget around with the controls and infotainment systems, then ride them!
Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
@@Omni_Moto very well said. Thank you.
Hey man, just came across your channel because I’m looking at potentially a 2019 Chieftain Dark Horse. What’s the comparison between this 2020 and the 2019?
Hey Syko, thanks for watching! As far as I know, there are no technical differences between the two model years. I can't say that with 100% certainty though.
Lucky for us, Indian Motorcycle has a model archive where you can pull up both spec sheets side by side to compare them. 😄 Links below. 👍
2019 Model: www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/2019/chieftain/chieftain-dark-horse/chieftain-dark-horse-white-smoke-2019-indian/
2020 Model: www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/2020/bagger/chieftain-dark-horse/chieftain-dark-horse-titanium-smoke-2020-indian/
Nice job👍
Would like to see the Standard Springfield if you could give that one a run. Beauty in the classic 👌
I find simplicity is my cup of tea... the more gadgets means more problems. So, locking saddlebags does nothing for me. Some reviews say the adjustable windshield wobbles in the wind. My big question is the engine and its reliability. My buddy's Indian bagger has electrical demons and suffers from fuel vapor lock. Is the stock suspension better than the stock HD suspension, which is just so so? I have read negative reviews on Indian warranty and support. I like my Street Glide, which in my opinion is their best looking machine.
They're awesome bikes someday I'll have one 109R will have to be the one for now
Thanks for the review and stating your bias. Memes were dank. Earned a sub.
Dank you 💚
I like the humour in your videos, you got a new sub 😊😊
Thank you ❤
’ve owned a 2001 Suzuki katana, a 2009 gsxr 750, a Honda grom which I still own and i currently own a 2019 scout bobber. Im thinking of adding a new chieftain dark horse or Springfield dark horse to my collection. Only thing that sucks is my dealer here barely has stuff In stock cause I’m in a small town.
Im 5’5 and weight about 140-145 pounds you think I’ll have issues being able to back the chieftain or Springfield out of a parking spot ?
That’s a heck of a rotation of motorcycles - nice!
You’ll definitely face some challenges being on the shorter side, but it can be done. I’ve seen riders at that height do it.
Get in the saddle of one to find out for yourself, and keep in mind there is a lowering link available for the Chieftain on Vic Bagger’s website if you want a little bit lower saddle. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
Btw, any luck getting your hands on a CFMoto 650 GT?
Unfortunately it is not coming to the states in 2023, for the first half at least. 450SS and Ibex 800 are slated to arrive in Spring, so unless CFMOTO USA announces some new machines before June, I don’t think we’ll get them for this years line up.
Maybe 2024, but also maybe not. I really don’t know 😬
Honest question, what can I do to help you expand your channel? Like I know no one here is in a rush to do it over the other motovloggers and reviewers. But I'm genuinely interested in seeing if I can help. I'm not exactly well off. But like me you love the hobby and you bring some energy to this sphere that hasn't been here in some time. Also, you're definitely gonna kill it when the CFMOTO 450SS and IBEX ship out. Just incentivize viewers to sub during that time with some other content
Hey Tyrant, I can’t put into words how much I appreciate your comment. The best thing you can do for my channel is just share the content in places where you think it belongs. I occasionally post on Reddit, Facebook, TikTok, and other various platforms when I think my videos will fit, but it’s met with limited traction normally. YT has been my go to because I know that if I put the effort into the videos, people like you will recognize that and the viewers will follow.
You can link my videos in comment sections on other creators channels if you feel others would be interested, and of course sending the videos to your contact lists can be incredibly helpful as well.
When the Ibex and the 450SS land, I have a feeling my channel will see some significant gains from those videos - maybe not immediately, but over time.
Thank you for your kind words and your continued support. Ride safe, amigo. 😎
Not really a fan of these huge windshields aesthetics wise, but I assume they're great for touring.
Sometimes we must sacrifice fashion for function, and these big windshields are the epitome of that. Definitely not for everybody!
The Indian windshield is adjustable so you can make a big shield small. But, if you ride much you'll see the benefit of a larger shield.
@@347mav3 Well, I meant the whole front plastic fairing. It's as big as fridge. Possibly bigger...
So the guy that doesn’t show his face is going to determine if this bike is good enough for me or not. Even though he doesn’t know my age if I’ve been riding before, what bikes have or have not had this is the guy that’s going to decide for me if I should buy this Indian motorcycle or not priceless .Excellent let me watch this video.😂
Face or no face, I believe I am qualified enough to provide insight and facts about the motorcycle that help prospective buyers determine who it may or not be for. Your riding experience is a personal metric that only you can truly measure and that varies from rider to rider. Ultimately it's up to the viewers to decide if it appeals to them, you included. Thanks for watching and ride safe. 👍
Good video. But why do you keep bringing up Harley? Honda doesn't bring up Yamaha, Dodge doesn't bring up Ford etc.
Wait what?! The "chevy vs ford vs dodge" has been a constant rivalry for decades. Fans all compare models against each other.
The "Harley vs Indian" rivalry started in 1999 and is stronger than ever today!
@@NicePantsLance Harley became Indian's competition in 1903 when HD started 2 years after Indian in 1901.
I personally never compared them. Apart from both making V twins, they are differently designed engines, frames, technology and Indian owners do not have the Harley Kool-aid Cult mentality.
BTW.... Mopar or no car. Lol✌️
So the guy that doesn’t show his face is going to determine if this bike is good enough for me or not. Excellent let me watch this video.
In 6’4 300+ is this a good for me?
This bike will pull you along with no problem. With your height situation, you might want to consider an extended-reach seat or have an upholstery shop shave some foam out of the OEM seat.
Thanks for watching!
What exhaust is on this ?
It's been a while since filming this video, but I want to say they were either Freedom or Rinehart slip-ons.
Is this ride still in stock?
It is still available. If you're interested, you can email me at omnimoto1@gmail.com and we can get in touch. Thanks for watching!
What highway pegs are those?
They appear to be ASR floorboards by Ciro that have been converted to a set of highway pegs. They’re about $150 online from the quick research I’ve done. Hope this helps!
Saying our moms are fat is the best way to get subscribers. Lol.
This trend will continue.
Can you review a Indian ftr
I kind of did once. It was a little sloppy, but it’s a short review on my thoughts with the FTR. th-cam.com/video/_gQiDRsjR48/w-d-xo.html
You remind me of therussianbadger but on a bike 😂
Didn’t know who that was. 🤔
Checked their channel. 😳
Compliment accepted. 🥰
Thank you for watching. 😎
This bad ass
👎to rider modes
What don’t you like about them?
@@Omni_Moto I like to 'ride' my motorcycle. If I wanted a computer to decide for me, I'd buy a Tesla.
@@0Oo..oO0 With all due respect, I don’t think you’re quite understanding what the throttle maps do.
It’s a system that allows you to ‘ride’ your motorcycle more aggressively when you want to, while also giving you the ability to dial it back when conditions are varied, or even not ideal, like when it rains and you don’t need a snappy throttle that has immediate responsiveness.
If you want to ‘ride’ this Chieftain normal, just put it in standard mode. It’s the same as a standard cable throttle without throttle modes.
@@Omni_Moto one of the best things about ride modes is easily the fact that it can makes riding safer or more exciting. On the CFmoto line, I've been using the eco mode more like a rain mode. Less punchy and smoother acceleration. My buddies Duke is the same way. Ride modes can be a pain sometimes with too many options. But they're not a bad thing.
@@Omni_Moto Thank you for the response. I actually am quite familiar with the concept. Two bikes ago, I had a 2018 Yamaha R1.
It is equipped with Yamaha's "YRC" (Yamaha Ride Control) system, which allows riders to choose from several different ride modes that adjust the bike's throttle response, traction control, and other settings to suit different riding conditions. Here are the available ride modes on the Yamaha R1:
Standard mode: This is the default ride mode for the Yamaha R1. It provides a balanced and responsive ride that is well-suited to a variety of riding conditions.
A mode: This mode is designed for aggressive sport riding and racing. It provides maximum throttle response and reduced traction control intervention, allowing riders to push the limits of the bike's performance.
B mode: This mode is designed for more relaxed riding conditions, such as touring or commuting. It provides reduced throttle response and increased traction control intervention, which can help improve fuel economy and reduce rider fatigue.
User mode: This mode allows riders to customize their own settings for throttle response, traction control, and other features, and save them for easy access later. This can be especially helpful for riders who have specific preferences or riding styles.
In addition to these ride modes, the Yamaha R1 also features a "Lift Control System" that can help prevent wheelies during hard acceleration, as well as a "Slide Control System" that can help prevent rear-wheel slides during hard braking or cornering.
However, in real life ... there are many trade-offs:
Reduced engagement: Some riders feel that electronic riding modes can reduce the level of engagement and skill required to ride a motorcycle. When the bike is doing some of the work for the rider, it can make the experience feel less interactive and engaging.
Limited customization: While electronic riding modes can offer a degree of customization, they may not allow for as much fine-tuning as a rider could achieve through traditional mechanical adjustments. This can be frustrating for riders who are looking for a highly customized riding experience.
Risk of complacency: If riders become too reliant on electronic riding modes to manage their bike's performance, they may become complacent and fail to develop their own skills and techniques for handling different riding conditions.
Overall, the rider experience with electronic riding modes can be quite positive, as they can improve comfort, performance, and confidence.
However, they may also reduce the level of engagement and customization that some riders prefer, and could lead to a sense of complacency if riders become too reliant on them. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and the type of riding experience that each individual rider is looking for.
I see it as modern training wheels. It can get started in your motorcycle journey, but it does lessen the riding experience, to me.
Do better without all the added “funny”little clips in the video
Hey Jake, sorry to hear you don't enjoy them. Respectfully, I do like to create content the way I see it in my head, so I can't promise the videos in the future won't have the same edits. I appreciate your feedback though. Ride safe. Thanks.
The audio was rubbish you kept cutting in and out. Those back rests make any bike look like shit ..I hate them! Other than that you did alright son..luvlee jubilee.
Thanks for the feedback.