Rim vs Disc Brakes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Rim brakes versus disc brakes - which one is best?! Both are awesome and get the job done, but for trials riding, it's tough to beat rim brakes with ground rims. The flex in the spokes makes just enough of a difference when it comes to precision - and if you were really stacking them up against each other, you would also consider the danger of bending rotors when riding super technical terrain on your trials bikes. The newer bikes actually come with a built-in guard over the rear brake rotor!
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I’ve been wondering why trials riders use rim brakes now it’s answered thanks!
That’s why! 🙌
Danny Mac uses disc and he’s one of the best in the world inspired bikes all mainly use disc I think it depends on the person tbh
Competition trials riders utilize rim brakes quite a bit - Danny, Fabio, etc are all street trials riders. Same foundation, though!
@@SuperRiderTV Václav Kolář is 8 x trials world champion and he uses disc brakes.
He’s a way better rider than me, that’s why 😉
Oh..i now know the reason i cant do these stunts
It was that simple! 😉😂
You can on an FS MTB with really good pedals, high POE hub and plenty of practice.
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Haha 😂
@@SuperRiderTV You're a genius
I run V-brakes with a 7005 aluminum booster and 90a polyurethane pads, I used to run a cross hatch style grind but i switched to a straight grind done exactly as per the Ali Clarkson tutorial video, made a massive difference, they are now the most powerful brakes I've ridden, no more arm pump (now i just gas out from lack of fitness haha). Thanks for the content man, love your channel!
Awesome! I haven’t seen that one from Ali, I’m going to have to check it out! Thanks for watching! 👊
this is a great explanation of the two ! "scuffing" your rims is a trick few people know of. it eats up pads but a new pad is 2 dollars and replaced in 1 minute.
I take an angle grinder to my rims - makes a big difference for the back wheel moves that I like to do!
Me over here vibing with both, the rear has rim, front has disc lol
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I too have two different brake. The front is rim brake the back is my legs, since the front doesn't like to brake most of the times 😂
@@thebulgarianbudgie 😂😂😂😂
He has more control over his bike than I do over my life
Facts bro I could never😂😂
I've noticed this as well but most slop is due to disc brake pads moving since they're not an exact fit. Never noticeable when riding normally but noticeable when doing trials or trackstands.
So spot on!
I use rim brakes cus it's what the bike had when I bought it with my first paycheck and am currently somewhat broke :D
I hate my disc brake now because the idiot who serviced it ruined it. it squeaks so loud everytime i brake. it's embarrassing in traffic.
@@BMWS1000RRR How was it ruined? Is the disc bent? Are the callipers loose? Have you tried tightening it? Maybe looking up videos online one how to take care of particular issues could help?
@@lidge1994 yeah, Idk much about disc brakes. It's my first bike.
I went in with a loose chain issue. he pulled my wheel back and tightened it. then the brake pads started rubbing to the disc. so he adjusted the brake pads.. since then it's been squealing like a pig. very loud.
@@BMWS1000RRR nothing wrong with disc its comon for disc brake to do that noise
@@marinkotinko3544nu uh it's a sign of something wearing down
I’ve been riding trials recently and just never questioned the use of rim brakes, thanks for the explanation and sick riding
True, it all depends what discipline you do. Not all bike needs too much brake power.
For sure - all kinds of options to deliver different styles of stopping!
I learned something new today. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome, stoked to hear it!
Damn i didn't know rim brakes could have that stopping power
Magura HS-33s…basically magic! 🙌
The tour de france used rim brakes for decades without issues, so they are good enough.
There's pros and cons to both, but I prefer rim for ease of maintenance and weight saving.
Disc can be a pain to fix, with bent rotors, contaminated rotors/pads, bubbles in hydraulic system, pads not moving evenly, but they are great when they work.
rim brakes have been used to stop 400 lb tandem teams on mountain descents for decades
Think of why people use bigger rotors.. now imagine that rotor is the size of your wheel
@@fentonbalfus4908youre the only person ive ever seen bring that up.
I love this kind of technical information, even though I have not* ridden for a time. Good stuff!
Thank you!
I have disc brakes now. It's my first mountain bike with disc brakes. But all the previous bikes I had were always rim brakes that were either cantilever or V brakes. I had to watch a how to video to learn how to adjust the disc brakes on the bike I have now because they are new to me since I've been so used to rim brakes.
You also get much better leverage using rim brakes. Think rotor diameter vs rim diameter. Huge difference!
Spot on! 💯
You also don't get the hydraulic pressure of disc brakes. There is no denying that disc brakes are more powerful and offer more modulation.
I’m an enduro racer (not really good but eh) and I run 4pot disc hydraulics, shimano levers with strong Calipers and it’s amaIng
I’ve always wanted to know this about trials riders. Thanks.
You found the right channel! :)
Wow, never thought of that. It makes total sense.
Good info 👍
Thanks!
Never gave it any thought but that makes perfect sense
Not the first time I heard that, it makes sense .
I never knew that nor have I really looked @ trials bikes. I do mountain bike & now even road bikes has discs. Fun fact!
Sweet! Road bikes with discs felt like a much overdue development 🙌
I also used to be a trials rider. I even was third place in the German cup (I have no idea how it’s called) I recently sold my trial bike and I’m kinda missing it even though I didn’t have fun riding anymore. Now I’m trying to become a professional enduro rider
Man you saved us a lot of money!
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I ride a road (Masi Gran Corsa) and a Raleigh C30 hybrid. They are both rim brake bikes, and they are going to stay that way. The Raleigh seems to have the option to fit a disc brake on the front wheel, but I'm pretty convinced I don't need the extra braking power in muddy situations because that is almost never happened to me. I avoid mud IF there is mud on the road (never happened). When off-road, I have gotten muddy a couple of times, and that's when I realized the reason for discs. I only ride off-road every once in a while, and I avoid the mud. I can certainly see why discs on mountain bikes, and would think it's probably foolishness to have rim brakes, for someone like me (someone who never competes like this man).
Hmm, it would be cool to run an experiment, make some rigid alloy cut wheels and run one set with rim brakes, one set disc brakes and do the same experiment with the spoked wheels, I want to see what the ultimate setup would be
I'm an absolute noobie to bikes so I'm looking to make my first bike purchase here soon and I was asking around for recommendations for a good beginner bikes. I had mentioned that I don't really have any must haves except that I must buy a bike with disk brakes. Everyone asked why it was a must have. Like, dude, they're better in basically every way lmao
Right on - what bike brand are you looking at for your first bike?
@@SuperRiderTV I like the Trek Marlin 4. It's a good entry and even though I need a bike for commuting, commuting on the roads here requires a bit more of an aggressive bike lol
Disc are better in rain, but rim brakes work as well and are lighter and cheaper
@@tesmith47 I don't trust them. Too many opportunities for failure
Interesting detail, nvr thought of this. Ty for sharing …
Thanks for watching!
@@SuperRiderTV same here. I also noticed my slight 1 millimeter move
Someone also mentioned the disc brake pads moving in the caliper - so we’re getting something from that, too
@@SuperRiderTV also suspension movement if it's a cheap model
True!
Wow that rim grinding is genius
It also makes sense to use rim brakes in this setting because you're using the brakes to stop the wheel entirely and not necessarily to slow down. The disc has advantage over rim with regard to wear and tear as rim brakes on regular aluminium rims will eat the rim structure and lead to failure.
Huh. Never gave it a thought. But it makes perfect sense.
I ran Magura rim brakes for over twenty years. Got a new bike with disc brakes and can't stand them.
It’s tough to make the swap for sure, such a different feel!
I jad hs33s like 15 years ago .. wow still same breaks even though the sport moved so much further
Same brakes! Crazy, right?
Agreed
In my opinion disk brakes are better than rim brakes, but thee only dilemma Im having on mine’s is Im running both disk and rim brakes on my mountain bike (Genesis V2100, 7-Speed, Full Suspension)
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Rim for road, disk for dirt
It’s not only the flex, it also has to do with the diameter of the disk/rotor
True!
Yep, mathematically it is impossible to generate the same stoping power due to the difference in leverage caused by the difference in diameters, disc brakes are just stay cleaner and are easier to maintain hence their usage on almost all modern bikes.
(Not that disc brakes are bad, it's just that rim brakes are more powerful all things being equal)
My rim brakes on my 2018 Trek Emonda Stop on a dime with a nice controlled nose wheelie every time 😊
Thanks bro for sharing
I have both, gotta say I love the simplicity of my v brakes
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Magura hidraulic rim system and cleaner bar for the wheel edge.
Never heard these points very interesting!
Thanks!
I can change my bikes to disk brakes but I like how things are original. Haven’t seen a disk brake bike that catches my attention yet
Wow fantastic explanation
Rim brakes for life. Accurate. Stronger. Simpler. Lighter.
Yes!!! 💯
Dont they evetually wear out your rims? But then again probably still more lasting than changing disc pads every so often
It’s not too deep of a grind, more than anything you’re just roughing up the surface
Thanks for the info
Oh, no, not another Disk vs rim brake video! 😁
Thanks man, good info 👍👍👍
Thank you!
Rim Brakes Rule. Discs end up being a pain in the a## over time, no matter what they are on. Except maybe on a display bike that is never ridden.
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Rim rakes on my gravel bike, just because the stock rims my bike came with sucked and they turned into 8 after a slight bump on the road
That make sense
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That’s a lot of information I just learned today.
True
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“which breaks you got?” Well on my bike the front wheel has a disc brake but the back wheel has a standard rim break or a V-break, kind of weird
I ran a setup like that for a long time, worked great!
I have always thought that in theory the rim brakes would have more mechanical advantage since the brakes grab way further out compared to disc brakes.
In this case that theory doesn't apply because the stopping force is based on the friction generated rather than a force applied. Basically, the energy of the rotating wheel is being converted, rather than an external force opposing it.
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@@Crowfist Yes, I have realized my error. I will allow my comment to stand as a monument to the stupidity of my past self and let it serve as a reminder to always continue striving for knowledge.
smart. I used course sand paper on my old sky way mags. stop on a dime every time.
Works like a charm!
The reflex in the spoke is present no matter where you brake. Regardless of where the brakes are mounted the spokes which connect the rim to the hub are going to have the same “flex”.
It feels quite a bit different when you’re hopping on the back wheel. Pad rock from the disc caliper could play a factor in that, too.
I still believe that the flex is still there even while breaking at the rim. The flex will carry from the rim through the spokes to the hub/axle.
Pad rock in the disc caliper also contributes to the movement - so it’s not just the spokes that are flexing.
Are those TNN pads? I used to ride trials yearsssss ago, but those pads instantly caught my eye.
Makes total sense. I can't believe this guy is that in tune with his equipment. Incredible!
Still, Danny McCaskill uses disc brakes ok.
Agreed - Danny could probably ride anything! 💯
Interesting. Good to know.
This used to be an unknown unknown for me, now a known known.
Cheers.
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Have both
KOXX Red Sky stock bike with TryAll disc brakes. There is no provision for for brakes that were stolen from the Smithsonian. Besides, shopping at the Smithsonian is a felony!
Most trials riders will make their own pads because the ones that you can find on bikes at Walmart or Target because they would be destroyed in minutes by the grind on the rim
True! I run the TNN pads on my rims and they work great!
Loving the Tnn Lgm pads. ☺️
Hehe rim brakes are more responsive my mountain bike isn't outdated!!
I'll take any that work
That's crazy. The cycling industry has been pushing disc brakes for so long. Definitely not "stiff" at all loll
There's advantages to both systems. Disc brakes are definitely oversold. Rim brakes are stiffer and can be stronger as they have better leverage towards the outside of the wheel
Gotta use the fork brace though with hs33s.... super strong braking
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I like the disk brake
Im a big fan of racing,even if the rim brakes are more effective,i dont want to experience strong g-forces whe going 50+ km/h on a bike(even if the g-force where weak,im just lazy to fight g-force XD)
I have a MTB and I am planning to remove the gears as I am tired to get it repaired again and again, secondly I am planning to remove disk and install V-brakes
Technically rim brakes are disc brakes! 👍
The rim is the disc.. 😉
Rim brakes to scare the neighbours, they squeak like a banshee but stopped means stopped. Discs are better for modulation and flowy street moves. You definitely feel a touch of flex, it’s subtle but can be spooky in critical moves. They’re also quiet so Joe Public doesn’t get so quickly upset when you’re sessioning a feature in town. For comp I like disc front & rim back.
Spot on! I run discs for my Twitch livestreams so I don’t blow out everyone’s ears while they’re watching - but when it’s just me, I’m back on my ground rims and maguras!
@@SuperRiderTV that’s one pro for discs I’d never have considered!😂
It’s a very specific use case! 😉
I’m on a full suspension 29er and do lots of street, and that little flex help with wheelies so I have a little room for error
Right on - if it works, definitely keep it up!
Yup... rim brakes won't warp out the hoop and crazy dh stops.. just torqes out the spokes...
That really explains the advantage of rim brakes.
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Well ran into this video again now 3 months later and I used to have discs but my bike was stolen 31.08.2022 3 days ago from writing this comment, made all kinds of announcements to different platforms and feeling pretty low about it since I was just thinking if I should go biking again before snow comes but seems like I won't. Some people just have the perfect timing to ruin someone else's time.
I’m so sorry to hear this 😔
@@SuperRiderTV it especially sucks since right now money doesn't allow me to get even a cheaper bike with the barebones I'd need to go out to the woods to have some fun. Recently life has been like Facebook stock just slowly working its way down to inevitable death.
Darn, I wasn't aware of that!
Old enough to have grown up with rim brakes but now use disk.
I liked V brakes a lot and while disk generally perform better, especially in the wet, they can be extremely finicky to get perfect whereas rim brakes are very easy to set up and know it's perfect.
There is almost some magic or luck 8nvilved with hydraulic disk brakes between the air in the lines, like any tiny bit, or pads that may have gotten a bit of contamination or compound I find some brakes working incredibly good, others work good but not the eye popping grab of others.
I just find them frustrating because you can rebleed but you never really know if all the air is gone. Maybe it is all gone but it's the pad but again, even sanded they can be an issue.
LOL, maybe I just suck at it not having a ton of experience but honestly not the hugest fan. Oh, and why is it that if you give them a quick spray with water they suddenly perform amazing?
Too many variables that I cannot easily rule out to get them working perfect. That and every brand has a different procedure despite being the same basic system. Ugh.
Rant over.
supercar owners would love rim brakes cause it would maximize the brake size
It’s like running a 622mm disc!
Right
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Fascinating!
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I heard another difference. Like no brake is perfect. And if you have your rim brake slipped for 1 mm it's gonna be about 1 mm or a rim move. But if your disc brake does so you need to adjust the distance to a rim and it's gonna be much more.
I have 2 sets of rim Magura and I couldn't force them to work well. So disc ones is much easier for me to install.
That's only for hydraulic rim brakes. Cable rim brakes can be toed in
Lots of long-distance touring cyclists like rim brakes for the ease of maintenance and availability of parts in far-flung regions that don’t have much recreational bike culture.
I've always wondered why trials bikes were rim brakes....now I know. Thank you sir
Awesome! Thanks!
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What do disc breaks have over rim breaks? Clearly breaking at the rim has loads more leverage.
Hydraulic pressure. This gives more power and better modulation. If it didn't, downhill racers would use rim brakes.
I'd say cooling and better for all terrain and weather. Rim brakes in the wet and mud are far worse than discs.
Also don't have the effect of slightly warped wheels (it happens when you hit stuff) affecting how much grip the brakepads have.
Well there you go
And knowing is half the battle 🙌
Interesting 👌
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One big reason I still use rim brakes on my roadbike I'll set it up with a MTB V-BRAKE PADS FOR STOPPING POWER - #ARIELORIDES
Disk brakes on a fat tire ebike. Heavy bike carrying me plus my travel kit.
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Discs on all my bikes. Downhill, enduro, hard tail xc and 20" trials all have discs.
Why? Because it is the best for the first 3 bikes I mentioned and the fourth one was equipped with discs when I bought it used with no mounting for rim brakes so why even think about it when it isn't an option?
Noise vs quiet. Now for me, my tolerance for noise is zero.
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Wouldn't rim brakes have far greater mechanical advantage by being so close to the tire? Or does that not matter