Trying OIL PAINTS on Minis for the FIRST Time
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Oil paints are a great medium for painting miniatures and making washes. But it's not the easiest or most intuitive process on the first try. Watch me stumble through my first failed attempt, and my second which went much better!
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First mistake was prolly buying studio paints (for students and studies, where you spent paint without care) instead of artist line. studio paints has less pigment in them, a bit more oil, and generally better to work impasto, not the qualities you would like for painting minis.
oh, also, white spirit, thinner for your alcohol based paints and oils would be useless to strip water based acrylic paints/inks
I highly recommend that you check out "James Wappel" here on TH-cam. He got videos where he discuss basics, pros/cons, techniques etc while you get to watch him (mostly real time) paint minis with oils. The videos are long but worth it.
dood... Gamblin 1980 oil paints... whole set 37ml tubes... Gamsol... all at Michaels, use a coupon... dont give up... do base coat in acrylics then accent over with oils (and typed just as you got to that part on the vid) lol
Abteilung 502 paints dry much faster than artist oils. They are formulated specifically for models. Less oils in the tube but still have a longer working time than acrylics for blending and filtering. It's an alternative if you're interested in researching them.
Also putting your artist oils on cardboard and letting it sit for awhile before using them will help soak the oils out of the paint. Modelers recommend this when using artist oils. You'll be amazed at the amount of oil that will soak into the cardboard.
@@KrullMaestaren this
"So, I don't know where to start." Marco Frisoni, here on youtube; is where you start. Edit: and there he is, mentioned at the end of your video. Lol
Totally agree. Marco is quality. The Grimdark Compendium also shows some great oil techniques.
Same thoughts for me! I was already typing the comment when he mentioned him.
Marco provides such quality tutorials for advanced painters and beginners alike.
Marco is good but your oil paint god is James Wappel
Renoir and Cézanne think they're so cool with their slow-drying oil paints, but I don't see them putting out a video every week
Death makes you lazy.
still waiting for their projects to dry I expect!
My wife just asked why I was watching a guy playing with broccoli. I can't unsee it now.
I thought the same thing. A broccoli ent.
@@m_d1905 He goes by the name Brent.
@@MonkeyJedi99 from Goobertown
Is your wife single by any chance?
@@CapitalNick Nah, she's married to some ugly dude
Nice tree broski. Those tubes of paint will be in your family for many generations.
Just paint bravely, amirite? ;)
😂
Today on Black Magic Craft:
We make mustard, brown sauce, and pea soup from a tube!
In a hundred years, people will still speak in hushed whispers about the oil-painted ent that is still drying
You're not that wrong. We know that some of the Renaissance oil paintings are still wet at the very deepest layers. They were painted so thick that the base layers are pretty much never going to dry. #arthistorian
Funny because it's true. But the student grade Wintons are a bit faster drying.
Yeah I came here to point this out.
Years. It takes literally years for oil to dry on the lowest layer closest to the surface of whatever you painted on. This is extended on surfaces that don't have any airflow coming in from the back. In other words, an oil painting on wood panel will take longer to dry than oil on canvas (which on its back is exposed to the environment). And even canvas has been known to be wet for 80+ years. I can't imagine how long it takes for a surface like styrene or resin.
I misread that for "dying" instead of "drying", still funny :D
This video pretty much shows why I am always amazed by anyone who attempts to use oils to paint their minis. The amount of patience involved is incredible.
Properly thinned they dry overnight. My first oil painted minis took about three weeks to dry till I got the consistency correct.
You can speed up the drying time with a light box, UV speeds up oils drying time. Markus has a video
When I read the title I was like “oh god, this is gonna go well...”
Check James Wappel's channel and his Twitch - the struggle when transitioning to oil colours is normal but once you understand how to layer the paints and to work with thinner it's a whole new world.
This is the way to go. Wappel is THE MASTER on oil paints with miniatures.
I agree. If you're really interested check him out, and he is always willing to help if you have questions about anything. Tons of videos from start to finish on using paints.
As someone who took a semester of oil painting. One tip i can give is, dawn dish soap is awesome for cleaning the paint! It’ll even get it out of clothes if you’re fast enough!
For anyone looking to watch more oil painting stuff James Wappel does magical things with them and makes it looks effortless!
Experimentation, experimentation, experimentation. Trial and Error, this is what I love about the hobby. Again and again trying new things is always fun and challenging at times with results to learn from and appreciate.
I repainted my 40k starter set half a dozen times before getting more models later down the line. Wasted so much on testors paint.
@@antigrav6004 That's something I should start doing, just have one dedicated model for testing.
Shout out to Marco Frisoni, he changed my painting life
Heeeelloooo guuuyys!
I LOVE Marco’s videos! He does such a good job explaining how to use other mediums for miniature painting. I was so excited to hear you give him a shout out! He needs more love! I’m also quite enjoying your new inspirational experiments! Keep up the awesomeness!
I swapped to using oils exclusively a while back, and it's something that slowly went from 'this is absolute rubbish' to 'this is the best way to paint things'. A large positive is that you can easily find what pigments are in paints, so color mixing is ezpz.
Edit: Add Venetian red and a titanium white to your collection, and you'll have basically anything you'd want to mix basic skin tones (and also the entire palette I used for painting up a ton of goblins).
How different is the techniques from painting traditionally with oils versus painting a mini. From a traditional standpoint, the video was very cringeworthy, lol...though I give him a ton of credit for just jumping into it. I would think for minis, you really have to thin down the oils to a watery consistency to work well with layering and all?
Amen brother
@@mattheweble5550 You don't do layering like you would with acrylics, except if you need to reinforce highlights due to colors getting washed out (and this is only something you'll bother with if you're doing NMM).
You do want to thin the oil paint down more than one would for painting on a canvas, but the trick is more to have very little paint on the brush.
I'll reference something I did recently, as far as process goes, since I've found James Wappel's approach to be generally good for using oils:
Goblin stabba - 0. Prime white, 1. Wash the sucker in a burnt umber/ivory black mix to get the deepest shadows, 2. Wipe off the excess with a sponge so that it only remains in the recesses, 3. Hit the areas with their midtone color (using very little paint on the brush, 4. Hit highlights/areas with color variation with the appropriate tones, blending if necessary (only needed on the cloth areas, where the gradients take up more room), 5. Go back a couple days later to reinforce highlights on the NMM sword and add edge highlights.
@@grady.flanary Ok...so in a sense...it's painting alla prima with really thinned down paints. Do you use any mediums to quicken the curing process on minis?
@@mattheweble5550 I don't bother with it. I'm thinning them down relatively heavily with spirits to begin with (compared to traditional oil painting), so that's making them dry a touch faster. I also like them being semi-workable for longer, since I put NMM on everything, so I like being able to blend the pure-/off-white highlights in slightly, since they get easily muddied if you put them on when doing the rest of it. (Quick edit: I also like them being workable longer so I can adjust blends if I look at the figure the next day or so and think something needs to be touched up, but I just want to use a dry blending brush instead of reactivating the paint/adding more)
Dmitry Feschenko (th-cam.com/video/mMFMFJQla6Y/w-d-xo.html) advocates using additives like that, as I recall, but he's also using thicker paint and focused far more on display painting, so the importance of having smooth blends you'd get from using mediums is more present.
Please do a video comparison of your home-made wash VS oil wash VS manufactured washes
Having just started building terrain I do a lot of "experiments " up until my latest project everything I've built has been done with "trash" and construction scraps. Ive learned a lot from you and other TH-cam channels and have made leaps and bounds in my abilities.
I enjoy the experiments as much as the actual crafting.
I paint with oils and acrylics on canvas, and I have some tips that might help!
- As a lot of people are stating, oils take forever (weeks) to dry, especially on a nonabsorbent surface. Great for blending, not so great for something you'll be picking up.
- You can put oils over acrylic- something that'd speed up your process is doing your base coats in acrylic. The acrylic has to be completely dry, and you CAN'T put acrylic over oils because the acrylic will eventually just crack and flake off.
- Liquin is the thinner I use to do washes in oils on canvas. It's got all kinds of health hazards like flammability and skin irritation if you get it on you, but my washes dry within a few hours. I've used linseed oil and solvent free fluid to thin my oils, but liquin is by far my favorite because it dries much more quickly.
What if you seal the oils, can you put acrylic on top of them?
Yeah. Just make sure you let it sit long enough to cure before varnishing. On a canvas painting that can take months, but the curing time depends on a tonne of things, but mostly how thick the paint is and most of the time it's pretty thin when used for mini painting. So if you give it a week before you varnish you should be good to go.
YEEEEAH!!
I came here to mention liquin!
I use so much of it (canvas painting, not minis... YET) and it is a [Crippled] Godsend.
36" diagonal paintings, done in a few days!
@@power_SERG Exactly what Jay said.
Because of this you should store the painting somewhere where dust won't accumulate - and fuse itself- on the painting.
My college prof talked about how it took MONTHS for one of his to dry completely because he used that really thick, globby style of painting that probably has a name that I can't remember.
Be careful with owning too much oil... Merica likes that stuff alot
Did someone say oil...😏
You know it takes 14 days to dry..lol
@Black Magic Craft,
Thank you so much for being such an inspiration for me. Today, I bought my first mini painting supplies, and I just want you to know that you have really inspired so many people to start this amazing hobby. Thank you for being so cool!
There's a Bob Ross, oil painting, and happy little trees joke in here somewhere....
Probably also something with "smells like grass" and trees
I haven’t painted with oil paint in like 12 years. I was like 😈 when you talked about letting the first one dry lol
I love that you just went for it. Even if it didn't work out quite the way you planned. I'm glad I got to watch with fascination and a little sympathy as you tried this out.
Holy crap you those tubes will last you forever! Also definitely Check out James Wappel’s videos on oil painting miniatures.
this s why i love the channel, i don't really research much myself just jump into things
Way better, I advise you to check James Wappel. He is the best reference for painting with oils. Great video.
I love these vids where you just try out new things in a process that is not a perfect designed "how to". This is totally my perspective to go through new subjects. Very nice :)
What I usually use oils for is a gung wash. It works best on larger flatter surfaces with panel lines and areas for the wash to collect. Take un-thinned oil and slap it on thick over a surface. Then take a lint free cloth and wipe it off. It will leave panel lines and other areas with a nice dirty look. Don't use too dark of oil over to light a surface because it can give a coffee stain appearance.
I smiled heavily. I watched Marcos videos and took a diffrent approach. I painted some models from The Drowned Earth with Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black and White. I put a zenithal prime on and then my satisfaction increased exponetialy :)
I put one color in and pushed the others from the shadows or the edge into it. My minis looking like the characters from "No one left to fight" and i love it.
Windsor & Newton makes a product called Liquin. Mix it with your oil paint and it will dry overnight at the latest.
I've searched for a channel about black magic and found a good video with a very talented man! 👏👍🌳💚🌱
I just started D&D and I’m about to start painting my first D&D figure. I have so many oil paints I’ll be able to make my figures pop do nicely
One of the ways to use oils is to try the "Grisaille" method. It's easy and you are pretty much doing it now: base coat black, darker grey, lighter grey and a white drybrush (less and less pressure each time) and then the thin glazes of oils!! Viola.... you are a master painter just like the Dutch Masters
Look into Abteilung 502 oil paint. They’re specifically designed for miniature and have a MUCH faster drying time.
I paint the minis with acrylic and only use oils and thinner for the when I want that grimly grimdark look.
I did my first experimenting with Oil Paints on a 1:8 Scale Ecto-1 model doing a thinned down black that I wiped off on the chrome trim (makes it look more like real metal). Two weeks later it still wasn't completely dry.
I watched hours of painting tutorials before I started painting my 40k army, and no amount of instructional videos could compare to the knowledge I gained from a single brush stroke. Nice to see that rule applies to even pros, such as yourself.
You're a kinesthetic learner 😄 Thanks for being so real and informative 😀
Thanks for this video and the links. I live in an area that doesn't really have acrylic paints but dozens of places have oil paints so this is great for me
Great video for anyone thinking about starting with oils. It's warts and all !!
Me: "Cool new BMC video! It's not even Thursday yet!"
10 seconds later: ...wait.
Welcome to the oil painting party BMC! I discovered this a few months ago and I’m thrilled with it. Glad to see you passing this on to your crowd!
Love Marco's videos. Fun watching this too
Nice dude! you could make a drying box if you wanted to go all in with oils, but using the acrylic base as you did is probably the way to go. Glad you enjoyed using them as much as i did my first time, gotta say the flexibility and the amount of control they provide are amazing.
The fact that oil paints have a long dry time make them ideal for blending. Try using it on a magic orb where the colors go into each other. It's really fun to paint with. I am happy for u it's a extra tool in your skillfull hands.
Take and old wooden box with a lid, line it with aluminum foil and install a light bulb (60 watt) it helps with drying time in-between coats I use to use oils decades ago and it helped
You inspired me to start crafting for my DnD group. Got some pillars made, and was up till 2am last night making like 300 bricks for some ruined modular walls. Love the videos man, thanks.
Good idea to check the materials safety sheets for oil paint colors even if you're familiar with them for water/acrylic paints because some bad stuff is oil soluble and can be super bad if you accidentally breathe or eat it.
Thankfully I’m not a paint eater/brush licker so I don’t have to fight that urge while working with oils.
I use a food dehydrator to heat my oil painted models overnight and they dry/cure within about 8-10 hours. I use those same line of paints.
I painted a self portrait with a palette knife and oils in 2014, it's still drying.
I don't know how it would work for mini's but when I am working with with my oil paints and I need to work on an additional layer of paint, I will sometimes put my painting in the oven at the lowest setting for around an hour or two, checking it every 15 mins just to keep an eye on it. Also if you leave it in longer with a thicker layer of paint you can get an interesting cracking texture, if you want that sort of texture on your painting, but again that is when I am working with canvases and I don't know how they would work with resin minis
Those are very good student grade paints. They will last decades. I have some from the 80s that I still use along with my professional grade oil paints.
You are braver man than I Gunga Din! Nice job, thanks for experimenting and demonstrating how to bravely step up and give-it-a-go. Have a great day!
I painted a Blood Bowl team of lizardmen. It puches your eye out, colors are so vibrant. It took ages to dry.
It’s been a fascinating journey watching you grow your skill set Jeremy! You inspire me every week. Thank you!
My medium of choice is Testor oils. They're fairly inexpensive and easy to work with, since they're specifically formulated for plastic models.
You are so very brave! Oil paints terrify me 😂 P.S. that moving time lapse shot was lovely 💯
I'm attempting some of the oil wash techniques used on tanks, it didn't start well that I bought a thinner that wasn't for proper oil paints...
They make quick drying medium for oils. Mix that in with some mineral spirits and it'll dry enough over night.
A little detail. Check the Rune stone video on Twitch from James Wappel on his Wappelicious channel. His make up sponge technique is the greatest. He has a great suggestion on a starter kit.
I'm glad the living Broccoli Man had a happy ending! Fun vid as always. :D
my first ever model paint was oils, since i started with revell (my dad likes revell)
That finished treeman looks great. The basing really adds extra pop to his appearance. The best thing about oil washes is that, those tube that would last 10 life times; will now last 100 lifetimes :D
Me as soon as you pulled out the massive tubes: "That is SOOO much paint." 😳
If you don't want to wait several weeks/months for the paint dry, I'd recommend getting some Liquin. It dries within a day or two. Also, Gamsol is great alternative to linseed oil or other mineral spirits.
I lived around oil paints for a good part of my life, there are "quick dry" additives like Walnut Alkyd that speed things up and so using a medium before the oil paint helps a lot like acrylic paint. this work in normal canvas don't know the effect on miniatures. The additived can be a bit harsh on the brushes
Welcome to the world of oils! They are amazing and make blending so nice. There are oil accelerants that you can mix into your paints that take dry times from 24ish hours to 12ish hours.
4 year degree from expensive art school talking: (explained in mini painting terms) First, paint thinner (turpentine) is used to clean your brush, not as the paint medium (what you thin the paints with). With Acrylic water is your cleaner and your medium. For this, you want to be using a fast drying oil medium like Liquin to get your paint to the consistency you want (aka thin). Then use the turp rinse your brush. The only real harmful chemical to breath in is the terp. Get a small Silicoil Brush cleaning jar. Fill it to the coil (half full-ish) and it will last you for a real long time. After your done for the session wash out your brush with some brush soap. Also, don't mix your oil painting brushes with your acrylic brushes. Once they are used for oil, I wouldn't use them for acrylic again. Turp residue will breakdown the paint.
Liquin will dry in less than 24 hours, BTW.
Hey, so, My favorite mini painting streamer Eenie mini on twitch paints quite often w/ oil paint. she's really good at interacting w/ the chat and answers questions about it. She has a bunch of first hand experience. The problem is she just moved so it may be a few weeks until she pops back on streaming. Anyway, thought you might like a resource
I LOVE when you do these 3D print focused videos man. Well, I love anything you do to be perfectly honest, but I'm really into the printing hobby right now! You got me into this 3d printing thing, now I own 4 of them, 2 resin and 2 FDM lol.
Mix a little liquin oil painting medium with your oils and they will dry faster. Most quality oil paints have linseed oil in them. Have fun!
I'm a beginning painter, I think I'm getting pretty good. But I only JUST found out about oils, and watched a video previously before this. When he put on the first coat of oil, and I saw the thickness, I laughed out loud like an old oil pro, lol.
Just sold me on dipping into oils for washes. Thanks!
Hello,as always a cool video,with oil paints I have at the beginning
problems with the drying time, but try thinning with lighter fluid, it dries much faster.
greetings from Vienna
Chris
Dude! James Wappel’s videos are your friend. He’s the god of oil on minis. Watch him!
When are you going to paint your happy little trees? Beat the devil out of your paintbrush?
He was a master of oil on oil painting, after all . . . .
An ent was such a fitting test piece.
This video was a rollercoaster! I highly recommend Gamblin's line of products for future :) W+N is great too tho!
Congratulations, BMC, with your new hobby: To paint solely with earth tones oil paint on canvas :]
Good effort & lessons learned!
Loved this video, seeing you making the mistake tought me what to do and what not to do. Thank you for the great content friend
Thanks! I will give it a try, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I rarely us oil paint, weathering etc. But since I grew up in the 70’s oils and enamels are not held in fond memories. So aptilung (sorry for spelling not great) do make some great paints, great for weathering, down side takes about 7 days to fully dry.
Watching this and hearing that you'll try entirely using oils... I can see where this will go. Haven't watched much yet, but I am predicting that your idea of oil paint then oil wash will not work, as the basecoat will take forever to dry. Always basecoat with acrylics, then use oils for either washes or blends, in my opinion. Also, I primarily use thick paint, as I find it easier to manipulate, but that is opinion, and not really guidance.
Oil paints smell soooooo good
MARCO FRISONI. YES!
This was a great video. It’s fun to see you experimenting with unconventional mediums like this. I wonder if it might be worth checking out water-mixable oil paint. It sounds crazy and I’ve been meaning to try them, but apparently they work very much like normal oils, but without the toxic thinners and if you water them down, they can supposedly dry much more quickly than traditional oils.
That intro is exactly how I feel just getting into miniature painting.
Alkyd medium to thin your paints and mineral spirits for cleaning your brushes. Though I suppose you are using synthetic brushes so I’d suggest dish soap and water for cleaning the brushes as mineral spirits are harsh on synthetics.
I love your videos man. AMD I have to say you are a lot braver than me regarding oil paints.
You actually pronounced it right! Terra verde means green land!
Winsor and Newton paints are based on linseed oil. Thus the organic smell.
Get yourself some Liquin (speeds dry time) and some make up removal sponges. Works for removal.
I'm pretty sure half of these paints are made with ground-up dirt, so I'm not surprised it smells like grass haha. Oils look like fun, but I don't want to deal with mineral spirit fumes, could you make a quick addendum video using water-mixable oils for recess shading and pinwashing?
Thanks for making this video, it was great!
Not sure if you're going to see this comment, but when dealing with oil paints, there is a solid Bob Ross mantra.
A thin paint will always stick to a thicker paint. your base coat should be thicker than your next coats, using this method you should be able to build out a base, and then drop down the next accent color without lifting the base coat and muddying your paints.
I'm sure after a month you've had plenty of practice, but always work from thick to thin, that allows you to keep building on a wet canvas (or in this case Miniature.)
Hearing him say he learns by doing reminds me of Jazza when he says he is a kenetic learner
It took me three minis to get this technique kind of right, just keep on experimenting, it will all come together
Check out the Blanchitsu tutorials, that style really makes the oil shine! 😂😐
painting with oils on canvas is something I will never turn back on. I am watching this 3 minutes in, so perhaps its addressed but; when applied to a canvas, oil paints can take literally months to dry fully. is that the case here too? though I can imagine they are a gem to blend with.
i switch to oils a few months ago, and now i m only paint my minis with oils, and i thing i dont go back to acrilics soon 😅
Great job on your bilious broccoli boi!
just be prepared to wait weeks for the paint to dry and you'll be happy with em :)
it actually dries in like a day