Tamiya Bruiser vs HG P407: Similarity’s and Differences
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2019
- A brief video showing the differences between the Tamiya Bruiser and the HG P407 pickup truck...not an enormous amount of detail, but a decent amount.
I hope you learn something! - ตลก
great video! i have an old mountaineer which i hardly use but after watching this i feel inspired to get back into it. thanks! i see we drink the same beer, cheers!!
cool video man. I always had the love for rc. I too getting back and now into the crawling. Always though is a cool hobby to stay busy.
I remember lusting after the original Bruiser when it first came out in the ‘80s. They were expensive kits even when they were brand new! I remember thinking, “who in their right mind would pay that much?!!” Needless to say, I’ve spent literally THOUSANDS in RC kits since then. 🙄
Same here, and I still won't pay that much for one... Bought the HG and have been working on some improvements. Check out my Instagram, ccflgearhead.
@@ccflgearhead -Is the HG basically the same thing? Same as Mike I've always wanted one and sill do. But I don't want to pay over 700.00 for one which is the cheapest I've seen.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 yep it's nearly the same in all respects. I've had it for a little over a year now. Bought a few Bruiser parts for it because HG didn't sell them. Its generally a trail truck out of the box, but I've modded the suspension to net about 4" of flex to make it more of a rock crawler and trail truck. The 3 speed trans is a bit finicky with the shifting servo indexing, but mine stays mostly in low gear and I've pinned the axles to lock them. Pins are supplied with it. I picked mine up for $200, from Banggood, USA warehouse, I wouldn't order from the chinese warehouse, some things I ordered never arrived... also some parts from the Trailfinder II fit. I used their soft leaf springs and tall shock towers. The electronics are decent, still running all the stock gear. I've been working on painting and detailing it now. See my Instagram page "ccflgearhead" if you'd like more info, there is a video on my Instagram TV sub page with suspension mod details. Let me know if you've got any questions.
@@ccflgearhead - Thanks. I was so close to buying a re released bruiser yesterday. I still want one. But I'm going to be honest I think if I buy one I probably wouldn't end up driving it. I think I would be afraid to wreck the body. I heard Tamiya USA has done sale where they are 500.00 including shipping.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 yeah for that price, I'd feel the same way, or if you did run it, you wouldn't use it to it's full potential. Heck for $600US I got a 5th scale SCT Rovan, new... get the $200 HG and enjoy the experience. You can get a Bruiser sticker kit and make a clone
I have the same charger,when yours went off for full charge made me look at mine lol
15:11 "I know this isn't a perfect video..." - my dude, it totally is a perfect video. Love your work, your trucks are rad and this video was awesome. Thanks for going to the effort :)
Awesome video! Love the scale Toyotas! And your Real Projects! Keep up the Great work! I love Toyota 4x 4"s
Super cool !! I like that black one. Appreciate you sharing I watch for more
Nice collection. That toyota reminds me of the one in back to the future original. As a kid i loved how that truck looked in the movie.
Omg I love you 83 toy. Just found your channel so I hope there is some videos on that 83 Toy
Needless to say that you are the perfect judge for this Rc. When you said it probably came out from the same mold or factory. I believe it is true. Thanks. I just ordered one from Amazon. Subscribe 😎
Thanks for making the video ...
Great review!!!!
Everyone bashes the chrome bed sleeper. I love that!
Great video, thankyou
I ordered a HiLux roll bar and it will fit, it aligns with 2 of the holes already there from the extended cab piece, you have to drill 2 more.
56 yrs young I have 2 bruisers and a hgp 407 and have been trading out parts like the rearends and transmission love the 3spd for what it is worth having been buying 2 more hgp 407 one is for parts
I was glad you got off topic, I would rather have a real Toyota Tacoma SR5 4X4 access cab. 😀
Wondering with the same price of HG P407 i should build a truck with standard scx10 frame kit brushed 550 motor budget transmitter with chinese made 25kg servo but with LC40 killer body. Which one is better?
Probably has been answered, but the motor is a RS 750SH
I like your attention to detail between both trucks. I totally have your mentality towards the HG P407. Indeed, it is cheap enough to modify in any way you want!! I bought the kit version. Do you have any mods in mind? The front steering servo is a cool mod and I also did the 12mm hex conversion. Cool video man.
Nice trucks hoss!
Just got my first bruiser $330 on eBay and super clean... so clean I can’t really justify running it- May get one of these clones. Gotta figure they will get sued by Tamiya soon. Thanks for the vid!
I have a bid on a original Bruiser. I've always wanted one. Was going to buy a re release until the shipping added 180.00.
Love it when someone is really into their hobby, I can feel your excitement.
I'm starting on FPV drones but I saw this truck and the Hummer on Banggood, I'm thinking on getting them.
(Careful with the wife, Women tend to destroy our dreams and hobbies, don't let it happen to you)
Mine agrees, and she like to play sometimes. She is very good and tolerant. This is real love! :)
...and if you do remove the cab extension for the roll bar, you need the Bruiser/Hilux rear window.
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what country made both R/C trucks
Let me give you some background to help explain some things. Both trucks have lic plate Bruiser because Tamiya is selling this truck as they are with many of their old line (Super champ now called fighting buggy). So they are not going to sue themselves over Tamiya copyright! Why not brand it as Tamiya you ask? Because Bang-good and Alibaba & AliExspress wont sell a brand name ie look up watch bands for G shock, they have no brand in pictures but when they arrive at your home they still say G shock on the band because it is G shock making money at a lower price and yep I sell G Shock wrist bands. Lol
However Toyota is not onboard this time & so Tamiya can’t run the name or any other grill branding.
Both trucks ARE made in same factory on same assembly line by Tamiya on west Ring rd Jiangsu China. Same place Tamiya has been since 1978.
The transmission was a bad design from the start so they redesigned it. Wish they would update steering. Lol
How do I know this information you ask? Because I went to China to a Pinball factory, a CNC factory and Tamiya factory for my personal eBay parts company in 2018 for two weeks to see what parts I could get my hands on. Hope that helps.
Cool i think I'll get one
I love the clone..... A fraction of the price an the ability to create something create! I get mines in kit form so i can build it properly.
RC4WD makes some nice black rubber mirrors, interior door panels, steel nerf bars and some other goodies.
they are thief, look at their prices. Never again. Last was TF2
@@tiziano316 I agree, they are pricey, but if you're willing to pay, it's there for the taking.
it is a 540 motor I have an original 1985 did a restore on it polished every thing I also have the original radio that was used to shift the transmission back then the truck sold for almost 500.00 in 1985
So is it worth it to get the clone then? I have a CC01 and I am falling in love with it, but I can't justify the high price of a real bruiser. And a separate question, Between the Bruiser and the Hi-Lift hilux, which in your opinion is better?
Hola. Yo tengo la bruiser original, el relanzamiento y la hight lift, y la verdad cada una es impresionante, es muy dificil de decidirte
Y estoy pemsando en conseguir el clone beuiser ya solo me falta ese para tener toda la linea
Is this P407 fully compatible with Tamiya Bruiser? i mean, if for example you can replace the front grill of tamiya (toyota logo on the plastic) in order to replace the front grill of P407 without logo? Same if you put the body of the original on p407 and the opposite, does it matches? Sorry for my english, i am italian. 4:45 i think on the tamiya Bruiser tires are hard because they are much older.
I don't have my original 1985 58519 Bruiser anymore, but the bodies should be interchangeable. The HG-P is based on the 2012 re release RN36 model.
There are some differences between the 58519 and the RN36 models: 750 vs 540 motor, some transmission gears are different, and how the C-hubs are captured.
First thing I'd do with a HG-P is swap in some higher quality bearings, especially in the axles. Relocate the steering servo and swap in some better tires. I'm using the Tamiya Bruiser plastic three piece rims.
Also, be aware that the threaded metal seems more prone to strip. And the quality of hardware seems to be different too.
@@blkft - So is the 2012 re release the same as the original Bruiser? And is this clone essentially the same truck? I've always wanted one and was considering buying the 2012 re release unless I could get a original one cheap which I doubt.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606 The HG clone is basically the 2012 re release. The driveshafts on the clones are pretty much spaghetti noodles that need swapping. But I'd do the same with the Tamiya Bruiser shafts too. I used some stock Axial take offs I had laying around.
The three tiny gears in the clone trans are made of pot metal and break easily(?). Mine hadn't yet but the 2012 model has plastic ones that are designed to break too. There are some brass ones (kurbdan?) that occasionally pop up on Ebay. Upgrade to higher quality sealed bearings in the axles, I went ahead and did the trans too. I bought mine thru Avidrc.com. Pick up some .3 and .5 shims from Tamiya to tighten up any slack too. I also purchased some front axle spacers from a TH-camr off Shapeways. Brings the front axle to the same width as the rear, more scale. Again, all the above I'd do and done with the 2012 model too.
The 2012 model differs from the older 58519 series in that the trans of the older unit used a 750 size motor. With the 2012 and the clone you can swap in a high turn 05/540 (35-55T?) crawler motor with no modifications. Also, the 2012 Tamiya hop up clutch kit doesn't work without modifications. But look at it this way, it the trans blows just swap/mod in a aftermarket clone Axial unit (single or 2spd?).
And that's what's nice about the clone is you can hack on it and not feel guilty, heck,,, buy two for spare parts. 😁
Overall, like the original or 2012, it's a nice scale medium duty truck with leafs. Can it compete with a Axial or Traxxas? Nope, but it's cool to have and run. I might make mine into a truggy type crawler.
Oh, the tires are like hockey pucks (hard!), but so were my 2012 and original 58 series.
On the clone I picked up a set of 2.2 Tamiya Bruiser 3 piece plastic beadlocks and used some takeoff tires from my CR01.
@@kummakummakummakummakummac8606
Also on the clones, take a lighter and heat up the cap head screws before removing them. Some have a type of loctite and some don't, if you buy the kit version over the rtr it's a mute point(?).
Also, the radio that comes with the clone is not that bad. Altho, I pulled mine and been running it in a Vac U Tow boat (third channel barge release). Been working fine on the water for atleast two years do far.
1:01 a coors magically appears
RC VOODOO we all have to stay hydrated!! 🤣
@@GunsGearsBeers yes we do 👍
RC VOODOO haha thank you for watching and for the awesome comment!!
0:59 Tada!
The real Toyota Front hubs were pink? I don't remember that, but my memory sucks.
Where can I find a 02 3rd gen 4 runner body & Nissan's 720 pickup in 1/10 scale model
howedy ya'll , this is the only 4Runner body I’m aware of.
store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-1985-Toyota-4Runner-Hard-Body-Complete-Set_p_7220.html
Highly unlikely the bodies are made from the same molds. Since the Toyota was removed from the grille and tailgate, complete new molds would have been made. With scanning technology today, it would be very easy for someone to remodel the body and create new molds. Nice comparison. Makes me want to buy one, because when I was young I could never afford the Tamiya.
The "Toyota"-logo in the grille and the "Hilux 4WD" lettering on the sides of the cab have been eliminated in the Re-Release RN36 (#58519) from Tamiya and been replaced by stickers. So the body front of the HG-P 407 could be easily made from the same molds or a copy of them. Only the original bed has kept the molded in TOYOTA lettering. But I believe you are right mentioning the scanning technology.
It's pronounced: "Tah-*ME*-yah" not _ta-may-a_
Thanks for sharing anyway. 👌🏼
Yeah, he pronounces axial wrong too.
Yup, with the stress falling on the 2nd syllable.
16:11 The camera fails to focus on you. It just can't get its eyes off that black Hilux in the background.
I'm just doing the same thing I just bought an original Tamiya Bruiser that's been deliberately weathered and trail marked and then I just ordered a brand new clone and I'm waiting for the clone show up because I don't wanna mess up the original but I think I'm going to end up wheeling the original because the clone is gonna be too perfect to bash.
I'm so confused!!!!!🤯🤷♂️🤦♂️
6:35 The Tamiya Bruiser has a silver can 540 in it.
The original Bruiser (#58048) from the 80's has a 750 motor, the Re-Release (RN36, #58519) of this millennium has a 540 motor, as well as the old Toyota Hilux (#58028)and the Blazing Blazer (#58029) had. And as other viewers have already stated, the HG-P 407 should be compared with the #58519, where it has been copied from.
Original Tamiya Bruiser all the way….nothing like the real thing!! 👍🏾
Yo twngo el originao, el clone no lo tengo pero lo quiero conaeguir porque la vdd. Se ve practicamente el mismo, claro en su forma, minimos cambios en el body, pero mas que nada tenerlo como piezas de repuesto son mucho mas baratas eso lo hace muy atractivo el clone.
The HG-P407, I believe is based more on the Tamiya re release RN36 rather than the original 58519 Bruiser. There are diffetences in the axles and the transmission between the two.
I had a original 58519 and a Blazin Blazer, even those were different. When I purchased a HG-P407 I thoight, "Dang this thing feels lighter and cheap-ish". Until I was able to compare it to a RN36 Re Re and noticed the similarities.
I like the HG-P as it allows me to mod it out and not feel guilty,,,, or broke. The threaded cast metal on the HG seems to be more prone to stripping, no biggie though. Not sure if the RN36 Re Re is the same. Overall it's not a bad truck as long as you know its limitations.
Oh yeah, when I sold my 58519 it must've had a million miles (rattly) and atleast 10 layers of paint.
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Hello
540 brushed motor.HG P407 is a clone of the 2012 Rere Bruiser not the 85 original Bruiser.
King Hulk yes you are totally right, I was comparing against the 1985 version and should have mentioned that the HG P407 is the replica of the re-release Bruiser, thank you for the comment!
@@GunsGearsBeers From what I have heard, the copy is better than the Tamiya re-release!
You worked at a hobby store yet you cant pronounce axial or tamiya properly. Sad smdh
Tamiya tah me ya
Axial axe E ul
It is a copy of the repo from not long ago not the 80s one.
Still kicking myself in the ass for selling my bruiser.
Sorry but I get sick of the Chinese knocking off other people's intellectual property. I wouldn't buy one on principle. Mind you, I still have my 85 Bruiser which has been used a handful of times, mainly indoors.
HGs are cheap because their R&D cost was ZERO and the materials are cheap. Soon the servo, parts, esc ... etc would fall apart, you’d end up spending a lot fixing them.
_HGs are cheap because their R&D cost was ZERO_ Not only that, but Tamiya has to actually pay Toyota for legal use of their vehicle's likeness, whereas HG are unburdened by such licensing costs. (Yeah, good luck enforcing *those* in China). That saving is reflected on the price tag. Moreover, if the legit Bruiser is still manufactured in Japan, as opposed to outsourced to a cheaper labor market, then you're also paying for that incomparably costlier Japanese labor.
Legality aside, however, while the 407, the 409, and the 417 are clones, HG is *not* your typical Chinese knock-off company. They make some of the highest quality original RCs. Their military vehicles (e.g. the P408 Humvee) are unparalleled in their category, price range, and value. This is a clone, but it's a very solid, high-quality reproduction.
Hg body is much better than tamiya. You can dettach the ugly cab
In fairness to the blue Bruiser here being compared to, the HG-407 is the clone of Tamiya's much improved re-release of the Bruiser, not this original one from the 80s.
So are we going to just ignore that his license plate in the background has the mark of the devil? I’m not coming back.
K S ha that’s just an old license plate from an old vehicle of mine, I’ve never even noticed the numbers
You're serious?
Dude. say it out loud. TA-ME-YA. not TA-MY-YA.