Why Weird Tactics Work
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2021
- I get a lot of people that will come into the stream for the first time, see my tactic, and ask why I go asymmetrical. I would like to say I do not always use an asymmetrical tactic on Football Manager. I just happened to use one this year. I also have now made a video about why these are the best tactics so I can refer people to it and stop explaining the finer tactical points surrounding the imbalance within a tactic to exploit your opponent’s tactic. Not in a game-breaking way, you used to be able to ACTUALLY break the game. A good tactic is not ‘breaking the game’ so leave me alone.
I actually really enjoy getting into those nuanced things in Football Manager on stream so maybe I should take this video back and force you to come to watch me say it over and over again. It really is a good time. Anyways, hopefully, you will be more comfortable unbalancing your tactic a little (or a lot) to try to make the best use of those new shiny wonderkids you have. The FM gods dictate the best players for you to sign, getting comfortable using them all in their best positions is a tactical art that this video should help you with.
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As a semi professional football coach, youd be surprised with how some of these points make up the foundations of squad building in the real world. Positions are not so important in the modern game, its more about principles of play and management of space. Would love to see Football Manager implement the ability to change your shape in and out of possession to really make these kinds of tactics represent the way they are played in real life. Just because you have a wide striker does not mean he cant drop into a wide area to create a block out of possession.
Top stuff Zealand and Sports Interactive!
Hopefully SI include an “out of possession formation” in FM22. Always dreamt of being a professional coach, glad to know I’m actually learning things by playing FM
@@zebra7578 in possession and out of possession position are controlled by the roles you give them
We used to have wiball and woball instructions in the olden days :(
@@kylecarson4878 yeah I recently learnt that, just feel like out of possession formations would make the whole tactics part of the game easier to understand
Thanks for your comments !
I regret that too : players on FM are SOOOOO rigid with the tactics
That made us, coaches, true masters of the game, but that's not realistic
For example, City love to have a wingback to join the centerback during possession. Maybe I'm stupid, but I cannot made that on FM
Or more complex things, like "when create a high press or not ?" Yes we could choose but it's nothing near of what real pressing on tactics is
More basically, I tried so hard to create a tactics where players Switch position, like Paulinho and Messi at Barcelona, but again I cant
The intro felt a little too personal to all of us
I feel dumb now because I have two good wingers and a good striker so I play symmetrical 4-3-3 I didn't realise I was an idiot haha
The intro was aimed at me specifically
I got fucking scared
I’ve found Asymmetrical defensive weaknesses can be covered by having a player who otherwise has no defensive duties (ie the left sided striker) stick closely to the overlapping opponent fullback by adding the instructions “mark tighter” and “mark specific player”. It closes that hole completely, although it does tire that player out faster
“The players aren’t stupid.” Most of my players have “poor intelligence”.
Shoutout to that one monster complete wingback regen I had, so good that I don't even need a winger on that flank. Instantly asymmetric.
I'll never find a left back as great as you, Ito! 27 assists a season, never below 20 for half a decade.
Dude, an ace left back? You won the wonderkid lottery
Wow
Sounds like Borna Barišić reincarnated
In real life, this was Dani Alves at Barcelona, hehe.
Messi's reincarnation as a free floating false nine who nominally starts at the right wing, was basically because Alves could run the whole flank for both defense and offense.
Today, I guess the only player with a similar level of stamina and work rate is N'Golo Kante
@@wilsonkok4754 achraf hakimi is very close
I like having 2 centre-backs, 2 wings backs (further forward not just as a wing back role), 1 DM, 2 Wingers, 1 attacking mid and 1 striker and then the extra person either as a centre-mid or an extra attacking mid or an extra striker. It's a weird formation but it seems to usually work well.
Yeah I go for this too. I think it works well because when your backs are in wb position they are further in out of position as well so it is better for gegenpress which is overpowered on this version. I really like gegenpress but I hate that I can gegenpress with almost any team. It just works.
@@reganbrannigan3006 and the DM as a DLP on defend so you can take advantage of 5 at the forward 👀
Isn’t that only 9 outfield players?
I mean who would've figured that a more attacking variant of what's effectively a 4-2-3-1 would work lmao
Well using 2 strikers and a cm or attacking mid makes your tactic very much like the "WM or sistema" largely used in Italy but also by the Ungarian National team that won the Olympics in the '50s
The craziest tactic and achievement I have ever performed in FM, was in FM12. I played a 6-4-0 with FC Porto, but only in Champions League after the group stage, both home and away.
Lucho Gonzalez was scoring clinical goals in counter-attacks and Maicon was scoring ridiculous free kicks. I won with this tactic, in the first year and without repeating any game! It was crazy! Hamburg, then Man United, then (I can't remember) and in the final FC Barcelona winning 2 to 1.
I don't think that I will be able to top this, ever!
"He's actually been outside in the last 3 days! He remembers to shave, shower, AND brush his teeth!"
I have never in my life felt so personally attacked...
"we're playing a 4-4-2, it just looks really dumb!" *LMAO*
One coach I had told me once "Everything is a 4-4-2 if you try hard enough". And dammit, he was so right. Modern football is almost entirely based on creative freedom of player movement and making overloads through being in positions "you shouldn't be in", just as Zealand said.
Fox in the box retired? Shame. Great FM content
that first minute was absolutely brilliant
I stumbled across my asymmetrical tactic due to a suspension and after a few adjustments to the player roles and individual instructions, haven't lost in the league for 3 years. I must be a fm genius and not lucky hehe. Definitely not lucky
This video has been very helpful. Thank you Z!
another awesome video good job, easily the best fm youtuber. you taught me the game
This is my favourite of all your intros yet 😂
Thank you Zee for all of the knowledge
That intro was great really boosted my self-esteem being an asymmetric tactic user myself
Super educational for me, thanks Z.
Zealand have a giant head like a baby. But his voice and his videos makes my toillet moment greaters. Thanks man!
The thing with asymetrical is the deffensive shape, you should always press high, cannot sit deep
Have you tried the STCL as an AMCL Shadow Striker? I have found that if you do that, the CMattack will sit a little deeper on defense because of the Shadow Striker's area of influence will push him back. Worth a try to clean up SOME of the defensive imbalance on the left.
This intro made my day. 😭😭
Due to your personality, these videos have re watch ability. Definitely my comfort TH-camr
Hi Zealand, first of all, keep up the great work!❤️I'm also just wondering if we can expect anymore episodes for your podcast called Armchair History?
Scheduled recording next week
Usually i just create two systems, one where i can overload down the wings and another up the middle... even though both systems will have the same core defense... its keeps the AI guessing and it allows me to rotate any way i want
I've been playing asymmetrical formations since FM18. It is a major key for smaller clubs with low rep. and low budget to rely on available players who are much better than others in the team and win games against stronger teams.
I often make asymmetrical formations to cover for weak points (especially in defense), I could play with one winger and a DM little more to the side to cover for a slow CB or FB on Attack/AUTO.
Katsikis literally translates to goat. What an appropriate name for a defensive midfielder
You described me until the Ultimate Team part. Theres no way i van afford that stuff.
the first tactic was used in "managerzone" game a loong time ago. The tactic image brought back memories :p
You have great ideas for vids my guy
0:27 As someone still living in lockdown, I feel personally attacked xD
10/10 intro😂😂🔥
Please make a vid on what to do between scouting and signing players. How do I organize shortlists? How do i track players that i’m not ready to sign but might in the future? How do i make sure when i sign someone that im not gonna get a report the next week of a better option in the same position?
Hey Zealand i am from Greece love your videos , just wanted to say Katsikis comes from the word katsiki = κατσίκη which means goat in greek so in your save you already know who is the real future goat by a mile
I play a 4 1 2 2 1 with a pep style having a deep nr 6 and wing backs 2 invertet wingers where 1 of them is further forward while the other one is in the midfield. One central midfielder, a slightly left shadowstriker and a false 9. It creates so many chances from midfielders its great fun
Yeees! Noticed it in my Sheriff Tiraspol safe: we are playing a 5-2-3, with inverted wingbacks, 2 playmaker und 2 inverted striker as winger... so dominante!!
I had a new asymmetrical tactic based on watching the streams and it was quite good for a while because I had 3 players too close to one another in the midfield
This guy should manage the USA. One day zee one day 👍👍
i played this game from cm 01/02 to fm17, as i am a setup and forget kind of guy, i really dont like to tweak my tacticks from game to game and during the game (i know i dont have the manager material :D). so after fm13, it becomes harder for me to keep up my set up and forget playstyle. and now i miss the old fm games more and more since i cant find either the time or will to try out the new games.
Never had much luck with asymmetric tactics. I put out my best 11 but always felt they were underachieving
Love your intros! But man, that hurts! Ok? 😂😂
Bad Zeeland.
He did not mention that your footing can alter your asymmetrical tactics.
*IT IS NOT* all about offense. *Gets the ruler*
Depending on the handedness of your formation you will get different results.
The footing of your opponent will determine the dominate side, and cause them to attack more in that area.
If you move "counter" to the flow of their attack lane, you shift your asymmetry to offensive flow.
They attack right, you attack left, neither offensive unit intersect.
If you move "against" the flow of their attack lane, you shift your asymmetry to defensive flow.
They attack right, and you attack right. Your attack flows through their attack.
This is similar to martial arts concepts.
You want to "oppose force with force" in some occasions, and prevent the action from initiating.
Block a punch with your forearm bone, or elbow. "Hard Style"
(if you have a tall, strong, tough midfielder ready to press and tackle, for example)
In other times, you want to "work the circle", and redirect the incoming force away from vital areas.
Grab & Pull on the wrist of someone as they throw the punch at your face. "Soft Style"
(forcing a throw in, or intercepting a pass by an agile and quick defender, for example)
By not balancing your tactical style on both sides, you emphasize the shift towards the "Hard" and "Soft" philosophy "sideways" and not just "yourside/myside" for your tactic.
If you give them space to move without immediate opposition, you are using soft asymmetrical style.
If you confront them immediately within their zone of control, you are using hard asymmetrical style.
So choose wisely, and pay attention to your players feet. They need to align with your enemies footing to be hard style.
I actually found 4-2-4 on low tempo (2FB 2BWD 2BBM 2W 2AF) very useful as I had too many games and very good attackers and few good midfielders. In my wolves save Declan Rice (Model Citizen BBM) asked to leave his team so I bought him around 36M and the 1st year of 4-2-4 won PRM, reached final CL, won FA cup. The rest is history.
you mean BPD not BWD, you might've mixed it up with BWM
I discovered formation with one winger and two strikers by accident while playing in AC Milan, where I wasn't very satisfied with the wingers (basically played only Leao who turned out to be absolute beast) so I tested it like that and it worked great
Playing with milan rn, had to ditch the idea of using wingers and basically prayed my 2nd place finish on the 442 diamond
Haha love the Philander guy, one of the best South African bowlers of the past 10 years in cricket was named philander
I felt attacked with that opening
My most successful formation ever in fm has been a 4231 but with the left winger as a shadow striker that just ran everywhere. I had a big target man up top who ran in behind drawing the defence and then he had the vision to play it back to the shadow striker. Man got 20 goals a season from cam
I use a similar formation but mine is 4-1-3-2 idk why but it always works for me
I like that you used asymmetrical to create overloads, but I used mine in almost the opposite way 😅😂 to give players vacant space ahead of them to exploit, and to maximise the amount of diagonal, line-splitting passes available 😂
Striker playing left side? (4-2-3-1)
10 plays right side, easier to thread diagonal through balls behind the defence than vertical ones, and if he runs forward then he is occupying a different dangerous space than the striker, giving another option and stretching the defence.
Then the more progressive CM is left side, giving him room ahead to push into, or a midfield-splitting pass to the right-sided 10.
Then the DM right side for similar reasons.
In this the left winger does start further forward and close to the left striker though, so I guess that would be the overload part 🤔
The front-3 dynamics remind me of Tottenham's front-4 trio of Son, Kane, and Kulusevski.
played this set up almost similair except that i had 2 controling midfielders and a nr 10.. same reason as you. had 2 great strikers en 1 good winger. won me the CL as ajax
Heads up, after pouring a bottle of water over yourself when celebrating the league with a catJAM be careful of that power button whilst cleaning up Z
I had to start using asymmetrical because none of my forwards performed well as an inside forward and I wanted someone trying to push the team forward. Never going back
I won the Bundesliga with a weird asymmetrical tactic with Frankfurt in fm19 🤣 ,I played without a LB and 2 strikers , always won most matches with at least a 3 goal margin.
Hey man, what are your thoughts on fm22 are you hyped for the release?
The goal net and frame bend into a Z shape when the ball hits the net lmao
EPISODIC babeeey
I am offended but impressed with how accurately you just described me xD
"he smiling throught the pain".
One of the first chosen ones
I always try to contextualize my "weird" primary tactic as not actually asymmetrical, just a standard common formation that maximizes your player's abilities. I see your tactic and see a 4-3-3. My formation is fairly similar to yours at ODFC, except one of my team's best players is only GREAT as a CAM, and I have two right side players that are a very solid, speedy inverted winger, and an absolute poacher of a wide target/raumdeuter. I also move my left side back into wingback position, both because the right side overload means he's the only player on the whole team responsible for that attaching part of the pitch, and because one of my wonderkid subs can play that spot, but not fullback. But I still consider it a 4-3-3, or even a 4-3-1-2
I have to admit that I have an immense dislike to assymetrical anythings, so I keep avoiding doing those tactics as much as I can. I have started to dabble with this in my last 2 saves though, playing a 4141 with FC Saarbrücken where I put one of the wide midfielders into an advanced midfield position, because I had problems getting my offense to work. I'm still trying to go back to a 4231 all the time though, only that my wide defenders getting overrun all the time in this tactic (they are just not that good, tbh). The other save being Doncaster Rovers that I just started as what will probably be my last FM21 save, where I am using a 4222 wide with direct counters. There I might change my 2CM setup with James Coppinger as DLP into a CM-DM setup with Madger Gomez as a Regista (that guy has played some devastating long passes already creating all kinds of havoc within the opponents offense and I love to see the opponent's defense being brought completely out of change by those long balls). Still, looking at a tactics board with an assymetrical tactic makes me immediately try and put the chess pieces back to where thery belong.
Cool story bro
I play an asymmetrical 5-2-2-1 with a libero, complete wingbacks, a shadow striker and advanced playmaker at right wing, won the ucl 2 years in a row 2 years after coming up from the championship.
Well, guess your advice wasn't that bad. Swapped a 4-2-3-1 into an 4-1-4-1 asymmetrical AMR, AMCL and DMCL before going in a Cup game as OL against Nantes, against a club I never could win up to this point. Well, guess who knocked em out. Btw because of that, I'm in the final of the cup.
Thanks Zealand.
I felt called out by the intro
the fact I related to the the first option person so much really upsets me :'(
what an intro :')
I honestly feel attacked with that intro 😂
The first guy hit me so hard lmao
He said that asymmetric man remembers to shave, while bearded.
Inspiring
Asymmetrical tactics are surprisingly the best kind of tactics in the game and we should try winning trophies with it.
"Hes got four wonderkids in his starting lineup from Columbia. And one from... Uzbekistan" 😂😂
ههههههه ماشاء الله مدرب ممتاز وتكتيك خارق 😂😂😂😂😂
Is Zealand tactic available for download to try out?
Any chance we could download this tactic?
Are you using any player instructions for your asymmetrical tactic?
Hi Zealand can you share your tactic and instruction
Can’t play with an asymmetrical formation because it’s asymmetrical and it really irritates me
Did anyone ever submit this to the fm tactic tester?
Just letting you know that you pronounced "Katsikis" almost perfectly.
11:40 is literally me
I used to dislike Asymethricals a lot, because they were game engine breaking back in FM16 or 17 days. Or maybe even before that ? Not sure.
Nowadays they seem to be "fixed", even thou I've noticed a couple of plays while doing asymethical changes to my team mid-game. Like droping one of your IFs behind the striker, slightly to the side, and making him Shadow Striker. All of a sudden, the opposition's central backs gets glued to my striker, leaving the SS a nice wide channel to exploit. And if your striker is brave, strong and tall enough, flick on balls become deadly. I do need to note that I have a WB (A) on that flank and likely MEZ or CAR on the same side of central midfield. But for all I care, I could just tick a "stay wider" on a B2B midfielder and it'll be just as good. Match engine - still not perfect.
But I would like to know more about tactical differences between playing versus the AI and playing versus actual player managers (ie - multiplayer games). Does seems like stuff like KNAP tactics wouldn't work in multiplayer games. Noticed completely different set of set plays in the streamer showdows as well.
not asymmetric but i got a dirty 3-2-2-3-0 rocking at the minute. 3 CB / 2WB / 2DM / 3ACM loool i just won the uruguayan 2nd div and got a nice squad ready for next season.
why did fox in the box retire?
Oh shit the first guy is me
Zealand, thoughts on future versions of fm enabling users to select both attacking formation and defensive formation? something chelsea does irl for example: 3-4-1-2 offset to right in attack and 5-2-3 in defense most times. I get that this can be achieved atm with player instructions and formational intricacies. Something worth pondering however.
I have never felt so destroyed before.
inverted full backs
I couldn’t use asymmetrical formation no way it sends my ocd into a spin.
I’ll just have to make do with being sacked by Christmas lol
I play 3-4-2-2, 3 center banks, two midfielders, 2 wingers playing from the wide midfield, 2 Attacking midfielders and 2 strikers. I don't even know how tf it works i just know i won la liga with 170 goals scored and 10 conceded.
3+4+2+2+The GK=12. Umm...😂
That's 11 players
so you're playing without a GK? :D
@@west2720 can you do that?
Or do you mean 2-4-2-2?
I mean irl coaches play 2 wingers on the same side to bully a weak fullback. I rmb Mourinho did it vs Liverpool against TAA when he was at Man utd.
Its funny that you can not pronounce Keurulainen propely, but that Oyiriwoth comes so easy for you. :)
i tried to get man utd relegated so put all there youth player in the wrong places i had defenders up front and finished 5th
“i have this twitch save” he says nonchalantly before proceeding to brag about oriental dragon, again, for 20 minutes
If describing the save is bragging then lads we are CRUSHING IT
I am from Uzbekistan 😎
I just won the World Cup with the US!!!
Foxinthebox retired? He was posting more during the pandemic
i feel attacked ...
@Richard Duinmaijer are you here? Is this content okay for you? :D
DM’s name : Katsikis translates in Greek as goat (the animal, not CR7).