Why Does No One Want To Manage Bayern Munich?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2024
- For the first time in twelve years, Bayern Munich haven't won the Bundesliga title, but the problems don't end there for the Bavarians.
Over three months since announcing Thomas Tuchel's departure, as the season draws to a close, Bayern are still no closer to finding a replacement, having been rejected by the likes of Xabi Alonso, Unai Emery, and Erik ten Hag.
In this video, HITC Sevens takes a look at why no one seems to want to manage Bayern Munich, the unique complexities that come with managing the club, and the internal reorganisation that has taken place at the Allianz Arena in recent years.
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If we're being honest, it was Uli Hoeneß who just cant ever shut up that made the U-Turn with Tuchel impossible.
Bayern seems like Man Utd with all the ex-players chiming in about how they did it better in their day - except the ex Utd players are in the media and the ex Bayern players are in the boardroom (and the media).
No. Tuchel is known to be quite stubborn. That would have been a humiliation to him. Well, he could have taken a significant pay rise to deal with it, but I'm quite sure that even this pay rise wouldn't have convinced him.
I dont believe it was just 1 comment it was many other factors and they coundn't come to agreement, Uli is not just a Bayern but Bundesliga legend, financially helping other clubs when facing financial problems and was played a big factor in their 2020 sextuple
@@Doublefatcheesehis past doesn’t negate the damage he’s doing now.
You are wrong. He wanted a longer contract and more possibilitys in transfers. Both was rejected because the club just wanted to wait one year for an in their eyes “better“ trainer@@fairphoneuser9009
I'm kinda happy about "sacking culture" hitting the big clubs hard right now
Its so funny because Bayern München has made fun of the Hamburger SV for SOOOO long for EXACTLY that, a sacking culture beyond repair.
@@LiftandCoa meanwhile Bayern wins the league and plays UCL regularly while Hamburg is relishing in the 2. Liga....
yep, it's refreshing to see. I like football more this way.
@@LiftandCoa thing is, bayern is too big and rich to fail, well at least in the bundesliga, they could let a complete amateur do the job and they'd still do just fine.
they have that every couple of seasons where everyone is like "finally the downfall of the lederhosen" and 1 or 2 seasons later they go back to dominating the league, win the pokal and possibly even conquer the CL
@@km-js7ws They definitely won't fall off that hard, true, but maybe they will treat their managers more properly now. I still am a bit upset about how they've treated Julian Nagelsmann
I'm going to apply to Bayern. I'm sure they will be impressed with my Football Manager credentials
“Heard you took Hanwell Town into the Prem. You’ve got the job lad.”
🤣🤣
I messed up my interview by calling him Jens Mustermann instead of Oliver Kahn😉
Will Still vibes
Yeah show them you can win the champions league with sunderland on fifa
The downfall began when Bayern sacked Nagelsmann, who was brought to form a new era and then after that Kahn and Salihamidzic. And of course not to forget Hoeneß, he is still too involved.
Well, Hoeneß built the ultimate dominance of Bayern.
@@fairphoneuser9009yeah and I'm thankful for that. But he really should take some steps back.
so basically you havent been paying attention how this has been coming for years now
@@fairphoneuser9009 Sometime old people have to remind that their time is ending now and let's younger people take charge instead that you had lot of examples beforehand how gerontocracy ruin anything they build and collapse later on due to the fact that they failed to transition to the future and burn thing by their own hand.
@@fairphoneuser9009 Perez at Madrid built two great eras, and is now in a third one, and even he is preparing to step back eventually and putting the safeguards in place so that the right people are waiting in the wings to take over
Tuchel telling them to bugger off is hilarious
"You Couldn't Live with Your Own Failure, Where Did that Bring You? Back to Me.
But im saying No."
- Thomas Tuchel, probably
and good on him, lol. It's as if your gf broke up with you then begged to have you back but only because she can't do better.
@@maciejbala477 haha, I hope he was not polite about it too
It wasn't like that. Tuchel asked for an extension of his contract which Bayern didn't want to do. Understandably
@@maxmustermann9908 Yeah, who needs a Thomas Tuchel for two more years when alternatives such as Peter Neururer are around. 🤣
Harry Kane picked the worst possible season to sign for Bayern i mean they won the Bundesliga title every before he signed for them among other silverware and then in his first season they end up completely empty handed you really couldn't make up how hilarious that is
More like being a black comedy, though Spurs aren't faring much better lol
He stopped Neverkusen's curse by his own one!
Tbf we really should not have won it last year as well
@@fairphoneuser9009 I don't think Harry Kane's 36 Bundesliga goals contributed to not-winning the bundesliga ! !
@@lws7394 It's his curse that contributed to it! It even defeated the curse of Neverkusen!
If you're not a Bayern Fan, this is honestly such a breath of fresh air for the Bundesliga. I know Leverkusen seem like the favourites to win next season as well, but if they start losing a few matches there are now 4-5 Teams that could win next season. Before that the only question was, who gets second after Bayern
Even as a Bayern Fan (which I am not) you should welcome Leverkusen. The Result of 10+ years of underperforming competition that did not punish mistakes is showing in the current debacle.😅
This is reminding me of the "great reset" that happened in Serie A after Juventus stopped winning. I'm hoping something similar happens in the Bundesliga.
Ppl say I'm a sick individual for enjoying Bayern's downfall. In that case, get me to the nearest intensive care unit!
@@princeprettyAs a real fan you should never be for another team
@@DerVincenzo 0 iq comment. Bundesliga was so so boring to watch for a decade. Now the league is actually interesting again and may spark new interest.
When you go through 8-10 good coaches in five years, at this point you should start thinking that maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't them
@@MonTube2006 I guess you love irony even more than I do...
the problem is they signed the wrong Harry. Harry Maguire isn't in the team.
yeah and all the teams seem to be doing it. Like they think there's so many great coaches always going to be available. Look at Chelsea for example, a turntable of coaches like Bayern. There really is only so many great managers in the world but they seem to take them for granted and think they grow on trees. I personally like Tuchel from what I've seen of him. Even Chelsea should have kept him.
FIve words that tells why nobody would want to manage Bayern Munchen: Uli Hoeneß, Karl-Heinz Rummenige
This man, this man gets it.
The men that made the club giants they are
Rummenigger
No, the two names are Manuel Neuer and Thomas Müller.
@@pritapp788 yeah right, the problem was the goalkeeper who was playing alone against real Madrid and the player who was on the bench . Real were way better team that night
Bayern didn't remember that Tuchel actually resigned from PSG (rather than being sacked) because he couldn't take the internal politics any more. As you pointed out Alfie, he is a lot of things but a diplomat he is not. It worked at Chelsea because there weren't the many layers of management and he was able to more or less call the shots. Until, of course, he inevitably pissed off the new owners and they binned him.
He didnt even had time to piss off the new owners?
He was inofficially out the very moment Bohley took reign, they just gave him the few days or weeks until the Potter contract was ready.
Even if I agree with you on Tuchel's temper, I wonder where you got the information of his resignation at PSG because it's not what I remembered soo I checked on internet and all my french sources told me he got fired as well. Pardonne my English I'm french
@@Saihttam_ Yes, you're right. I got mixed up with Unai Emery who did leave at the end of his contract and didn't want to stay at PSG. Tuchel was sacked.
Tuchel is a decent coach. He has the talents to turn anyone to win.
But yeah, internal politics are ugly. It ruined him.
Tuchel does not take responsibility. Always it is the players' faults if anything has gone wrong. Not surprising, that he neither connected with the team, nor developed the team successfully.
That Nagelsman sacking will haunt the club for years. A rash decision that completely backfired.
It was the most stupid decision I have ever seen Bayern take, and Bayern's management prior to that had been astute.
ancelotti sacking was worse
The Club thought that sacking a Guy who won all Games in the UCL to that Point in the season and been 1st in the Bundesliga is not gonna have a negative impact upon the Atmosphere? Fair enough lol.
It's a bold strategy Cotton
I mean he still barley won the League only because bottlemund were too bad. And it would’ve ended against City in every scenario
Well as stated in the video, Bayern is just a special breed with a lot of internal and external bullshit and politics that need to be micromanaged. It's not only about winning trophies, it's about how you win them and how you please the senior squad players and all the different board members. Nagelsmann was first in the Bundesliga, but he lost it the game before he was sacked, and the bosses thought he wasn't winning convincingly enough. Tuchel was available at the time and they took the chance. Obviously, that now both then leaders Kahn and Brazzo and Tuchel have been sacked since as well is hilarious.
The players and leaders were convinced that Carlo Ancelotti, of all people, was tactically inadebt. CARLO ANCELOTTI, the guy who made Berlusconi Milan, Abrahmovic Chelsea, Qatar PSG and Perez Real Madrid, twice, work. Tells you everything you need to know.
To answer the question:
Uli Hoeneß
Goodbye
Senior management and players at Bayern thought ancelotti was tactically inept…….that pretty much says it all 🤦🏽♂️
Management and players? Yes.
But the worst offenders are *the fans* because they brought it up in the first place and i will not grow tired to remind them of that.
Yup, the same guy that won the league title in all the major leagues in Europe, and Champions Leagues to boot!
@@LiftandCoano, the fans didn't get him sacked. The players did. I clearly remember Müller complaining the training sessions were not as intense as those of Pep, as though this was sufficient reason for sacking. That same Müller who is now gassed after playing 5 minutes against Ancelotti's Real! The bigmouth should apologise to Ancelotti seriously. and learn to use his brain instead of undermining managers.
@@pritapp788 He said it because Ancelotti apparently used lighter training methods to prolong the careers of players like ribery and robben
@@pritapp788You are kind of a bin aren't ya. Muller won a champions league and world cup after saying that.
Sounds like that Man Utd aren't the only club that has a toxic working environment
Hopefully not for long
Mate, you should see Barca. The club is a clown show right now 👀
yeah, I think that's partially why they just stick with ten Hag and hope he comes good. If they sack him, they don't think they'd necessarily get better. The expectation is that they would, because they suck now and they didn't the seasons before. But that won't necessarily be the case.
@@siphemanana2551lol as a Barça fan off the pitch , sh3t has been happening
@@maciejbala477 that's been the case for years since ferguson called it quits. 2 of their sacked managers reached a combined 3 european finals since leaving the club and yet the fans and the media still want the p45 carousel going
Alonso's rejection was the most telling. He actually knows the club from the inside so he'll be all too aware of the insane player power held by members of the squad, particularly Neuer and Muller who s*** the bed whenever they don't like the chosen manager (Ancelotti, Kovac). Those same two players wanted Tuchel to stay after he oversaw a catastrophic season!
Bayern is a bit like Real. You cant really build anything there. You get all the blame if you lose and not much credit if you win. There is nowhere to really go after those places and they really do little to enhance your legacy as a coach. In Madrid especially you seldom see guys go on to have amazing managerial careers after they leave. Managers don't really leave on the best of terms and come out worse than when they went in. Me personally I'd much rather take the reigns at an Arsenal or a Liverpool. There you get more control, you can build your own team and when you win something it will be much more appreciated. Save the Bayern and Real jobs for you last hurrah
At least Real have one major rival to give you pause.
Honestly can't imagine being a fan of a club like Bayern, Madrid or City. How boring it must be to just....win. All the time. No drama, no jeopardy, no what-ifs... Bayern fans currently experiencing what it's like to be a football fan and not a Bayern fan. Bit like Man Utd fans since Ferguson retired. Welcome to the real world.
@@ry_jayy There's no comparison, City are just about to possibly get four titles in a row, and it's been a TIGHT battle, with the knowledge that one tiny slip would end it, it was the same case for 21-22, unbelievably fine margins.
Since Guardiola's arrival, they've lost two titles, and of their potential 6 title wins under him, this season would be the third time where it was potentially won by a single point
Bayern have had two very narrow races, but they would only divvie up parts of a 12-title streak where otherwise they would walk the title by a minimum of ten points,
The Bundesliga title has been by a MASSIVE distance the most boring title race in Europe for over a decade, thank god that streak is finally over.
@@Omnipotentmonkey Since 1953 Real have finished outside the Top 2 just 18 times and outside the Top 3 just 11 times {In 71 years!}.
In that same period Barca have finished outside the Top 2 24 times and outside the Top 3 13 times.
La Liga may have two huge teams but that makes the league as a whole all the worse because for anyone else to win BOTH those teams must have what constitutes to them a bad season!
And what constitutes to a bad season for Real or Barcelona is 3rd place, heck 2nd is rarely good enough for Real!
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For context Bayern didn't even make it to the Bundesliga till 1965 and have finished outside the Top 3 11 times since.
Their dominance of the last 29 years where they only finished outside the Top 3 once {4th in 2007} does not compare with the dual dominance of Real and Barca in La Liga!
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For additional context Liverpool were relegated in 53 and spent the next 8 seasons in the second division {now The Championship}. Since returning to the Top Flight in 62 Liverpool have finished outside the Top 3 26 times! {it's 34 with those 8 seasons in the second tier}.
Manchester United have finished outside the Top 3 {including a relegation in 74 - They went straight back up the next season} 33 times since 1953!
@@franohmsford7548 Except we're talking about the modern era of football, not ancient history,
with that, a team besides Real and Barcelona has won the title TWICE in the last 10 years...
Do you know how far back you need to go to accumulate TWO other Bundesliga winners that have won the Bundesliga TWICE?
1993.. to get Bremen's two titles that were 15 YEARS apart.
pre-1963 German Football is an entirely different landscape, it's POINTLESS to compare it to the Bundesliga era, Bayern came into the Bundesliga two years into its inception, and have won it 32 times in 61 years.
There's.... NO,... COMPARISON.
Bayern take risks with coaches. They've fired Ancelotti after one loss to PSG in Paris. There were not going to give chances, you either succeed, or you are out. It was successful, but now there are out of choices. Also, who in their right mind would coach Bayern after they sacked Ancelotti. And sure, he doesn't even care about tactics, he told (while in Bayern) one journalist, that they are making football too complicated. But his approach works, Ancelotti is one of the most successful coaches of all times.
Rumour has it that even Big Sam turned the job down, which is something he's never done before. He even done a bit of guttering for me once after he lost his job at Newcastle. Top bloke👍
de zerbie left exactly 8 hours after this video came out. coincidence? i think not.
As a Bayern fan i can say there are too many cooks in the kitchen. Too many people with too much say too much red tape nobody can't make a decision without being vetoed by someone else. As much as i love Uli he needs to have less say
Great video as always just one small addendum to the Ralf Rangnick story. He was allegedly very, very close to signing for Bayern. He was offered a salary that was reportedly at least four times as high as what the Austrian federation is able to pay him currently. There were reports that he had gained all of the concecions he had asked for when negotiating with the Bayern higher ups, which would have included giving him an unprecedented amount of power for any Bayern München coach. Basically, all the "hard" factors were looking like they could convince Ralf Rangnick to leave Austria. BUT this is where the ÖFB played the few cards theyhad just right. They kept on reiterating how much he and his work are appreciated here. They spoke to him and said things like "oh btw if there is anything we can do to enable you to work better/more comfortably, let us know and we will do it". And lastly, several players reportedly called Ralf Rangnick directly and said how much they enjoyed playing under him in our national team and how happy they'd be if he stayed. Basically, they all behaved essentially anti-Austrian. Us Austrians are normally grumpy and sarcastic and have a short fuse, especially with Germans (Piefke as we call them). For Ralf Rangnick we threw all of this overboard and showed the genuine appreciation and dare I even say love we have for him and his work. I'm so glad that it worked and I'm so looking forward to the Euros and hopefully to finally seeing Austria competing in a World Cup again in 2026.
Also, small nitpick about the double pivot: As it currently stands, Aleksandar Pavlovic works very well in the role as a real holding six as does Konrad Laimer, who, especially in the Champions League games, showed brilliant defensive performances and has shown that he can do much more than just playing as a classical box to box 8. Goretzka, despite recently finding his form again, is the clear loser in this situation and Kimmich has (FINALLY) been put back as right back where he belongs. Playing Kimmich in the center is not sustainable, because all he does is slow the game down to a crawl and then chip balls into the box.
Great analysis and agree with all. Interesting about why Rangnick turned Bayern down from the Austrian perspective. Of all names mentioned he would have been my clear favorite coming in and turning things around properly. But for him it's probably for the best at this time. Maybe once KHR and Hoeness finally steps back there is freedom for Rangnick or someone similar to come in and do their thing.
They should just give it to Thomas Muller. He'll just undermine whoever they end up giving it to and act like he is the manager.
He was one of the players actually backing tuchel, him undermining coaches is also one of the social media narratives that don't really make sense
Well he definetly undermined kovac. And ancelotti also got undermined although not by müller.
@@mkronos02 Tuchel, yes. But he screwed over Ancelotti and Nagelsmann.
@@saltmerchant749they literally rave about him . Nagelsmann literally picks him for the national team
That is fake news BS . He is cool with most of the managers
What are they doing bro, Thomas Muller is free
He has no management experience and probably still wants to play for a few more years, although I agree he could potentially make a good manager in the future (although I also suspect that he may just want to retire and ride horses too, who knows)
@@BloodRider1914 It makes the most sense even if the main benefit would be: if you give Muller the job, at least he's no longer plotting against the manager and trying to make himself useful for a change. For that same reason Neuer ought to be his assistant.
@@pritapp788 what a clown 🤡
I don’t think it’s fair to characterise Liverpool’s managerial search as troublesome and without professionalism or efficiency, they interviewed people who showed up well in the data and concluded Slot was the best candidate, pretty unremarkable really. It was everyone else outside the club who made a big fan fair of it.
Good video. Minor quibble with the comparison between Bayern and Liverpool. Liverpool’s vacancy was not of their own making; whilst Liverpool’s number one choice was obvious, when Xabi didn’t come Liverpool simply made their plans discreetly. All the noise was from without, either with press speculation or managers (directly or indirectly) making their willingness to take the job public.
Ultimately, we all have a pretty good idea of which managers were approached by Bayern and rejected them; Liverpool made a plan and executed it.
Not to mention that Liverpool identified Arne Slot as a serious contender for Klopp's successor very early on in the recruitment process, even before Xabi Alonso ruled himself out. It was basically almost a two-horse race between Slot and Alonso, Alonso dropping out (although coming as a huge blow to Liverpool fans as he was their ideal candidate) actually did Michael Edwards a favour as it allowed them to go all in on Slot. Ruben Amorim was considered but rejected by Liverpool and Liverpool were actually annoyed with the rumours that Amorim was selected.
Liverpool had a good idea of who they wanted and followed the data, whether that data will translate into results is another matter and we shall see what happens. Liverpool's process was a lot smoother than Bayern's.
Its not that no one wants to manage the club, its that there are no good coaches available right now. Yes, they screwed it up with Tuchel. This shows that there should be a switch in approach with coaches in general, not only with Bayern. Coaches are sacked way too quick nowadays while the leadership is often full of incompetency.
great video. And the fact it was made by and English guy made it even better, I always find amusing the way native English speakers often manage to botch every single word that's not in English hahahaha "Javi Alonso" and "Thomas Tuckel" got me a case of the giggles
As a Bayern supporter, this last year, back to the firing of Nagelsmann, has been embarrassing.
That final image was unexpectedly genius 😂
Simple answer: because as a coach at fcb, you literally have no power whatsoever. Yet everybody above you expects from you to win. If you try to get involved into scouting as coach, you're out. You speak up against uli or khr, you're out, you lose the team, you're instantly out ... who wants to enslave themselves if you can have it like Xabi literally managing the club together without any strict hierachy
Alonso doesnt want to do it because he built a team and he wants to see that team make it. He is not Mr Pep who people consider goat. Great goat apent millions and always takes the best club. He never took a non top 5 club in the world to coach. Always has best players. Well Alonso has ballz and he wants a challenge, not pep, he has million trophies but he always had established teams
bro tried to praise Alonso and ended up shit talkin pep for no reason, damn bruh talk about rent free
@@poppyharlow4448 Must be a Madrid fan - can't handle the fact that Pep outsmarts their team and if it were not for KDB - Pep would've got away this year as well - A serial winner hated by someone just because they have defeated their club several times
@@therelaxlead676 yeah exactly (I'm far from a city fan too I support Kaiserslautern) people blame pep's success on money far too easily, if money's all it took PSG and Chelsea should be powerfucking their way to UCL finals on the regular but one's a flop in Europe and the other's a flop period, Pep's a damn good manager and people just refuse to give him credit, but then when asked if they'd like to have him as manager, they'd foam at the mouth lmao
@@poppyharlow4448 not to forget Manchester United as well
Stating a fact doesnt Make me Madrid fan @@therelaxlead676
Bayern sacking Tuchel for not winning the Bundesliga AND Champions League in his first season.
The Bayern board have played too much FIFA Career Mode.
Would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Naglesmann got the call from Bayern to:
1) apologize for not backing him the first time.
2) ask him if he wants to coach again.
3) tell him that 5his time he completely runs the show.
4) apologizes again for firing him out of the blue while the team was in 1st by a large margin.
[sacks him end next season for failing to win the Champions League AND Bundesliga]
[repeat]
He had just lost first place to Dortmund when he got sacked. He was doing great in the Champions League and in the DFB Pokal, but the whole "sporting reason" for sacking him was because Bayern had just dropped out of top spot after having a huge lead at Christmas
@@papamuller that has extremely little to do with my comment. I was correcting the original comment because he claimed nagelsmann got fired "out of the blue while the team was in first by a large margin."
German media is harsh than ever especially at Munchen. The pressure is insane and they have no patience for anyone
Thank you for this brilliant analysis. As a German-speaking Swiss citizen, I have followed the Bundesliga and Bayern München for more than 50 years, though I have never been a fan of any German team until 2024, when Leverkusen played really spectacular football. It is surprising how good your analysis is, (for an English lad - not meant condescendingly, though) so: 👍👌👏!
Might be the biggest backhanded compliment he’ll ever get so there’s that
@@mattkhanna Yes, he deserves all the praise for his brilliant analysis of what is going on in football - all over the world, no less. And you only realize how good he is when you should know more than he does.
@@ygrbooks As a northern neighbor of yours I can only agree. My only critique is that Alfie overlooks the fact that being able to speak german is mandatory for the job at Bayern which is why I believe that de Zerbi and Emery were never truly considered for the job by the Bayern board.
Bayern would only make an exception for someone of the caliber of a Guardiola Ancelotti or Zidane but even then with the expectation that they would be able to speak german at a basic level by august.
@@ygrbooks dude knows about the third tier of football in Colombia, I’m sure the bundesliga isn’t out of his realm of comprehension, “even for an English lad”
Bayern Munich's problem can easily be chalked up to very few reasons.
1. The board, especially Uli Hoeneß, who cannot keep his mouth shut in public shortly before the important Champions League game and badmouths the current coach.
In addition, Thomas Tuchel had already made it clear last season what he needed to lead the team to the title this season. He basically only got Harry Kane from the board and what about the rest?
2. The lack of feeling of being a cohesive team. There were so many catwalk models in the team who always cared more about their own shine than taking a step back for the sake of the team, and that often fell on their feet.
Only now, after everything is too late, are they mourning Thomas Tuchel and slowly becoming a real team.
1a. Now let's get back to the board, who are currently hoping for Jürgen Klopp rather than giving Thomas Tuchel the chance to rebuild the team feeling from the ground up, which has slowly started to bear fruit in the last few weeks.
3. The injury concerns that have plagued FC Bayern Munich throughout the season and the overall squad is currently too thin. We would once again need a team doctor like Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt, as he existed back then. Today the medical department is no longer what it used to be.
These are the reasons why things are going the way they are at FC Bayern Munich and, of course, everything that is being communicated to the public from the Bayern ranks.
And that and the way the coaches have been treated lately are the reasons why no coach wants to go to FC Bayern Munich.
you obviously know more about Bayern than I ever will. Do you think Klopp would go there? He said he'd never manage another club in England. Has he ever said he wouldn't manage another German club or that he'd never want the Bayern job?
@@mauddib1761
So I've never heard that he wouldn't do a coaching job in Germany and I don't believe it either. However, he would be stupid to start as a coach at Bayern. Not because it's not a world-class club, but what's going on in the club's boardroom at the moment, especially with what Uli Hoeneß has done in public and when you consider that Thomas Tuchel would have been willing to continue in the job, but for longer than just another season and that was the main reason why the negotiations with Thomas Tuchel also failed, then that reflects very badly on the club. If Jürgen Klopp were to sign there, he would be more than just tired of life. As I said, the problem at Bayern is the top management and Uli Hoeneß in particular.
Anyone who goes there as a new coach must be able to clean up the club and the board and break up the power relations on the board, otherwise they'll be out by the end of next season at the latest, and that's exactly the reason why everyone has rejected him sooner or later. Neither Thomas Tuchel nor Max Eberl nor Christoph Freund can do anything about it. It's more to do with the board members or chairmen who are higher up and with what is publicised from within the ranks of Bayern itself.
So no, I don't think Jürgen Klopp will go to Bayern, rather to another German club.
Entertaining video once again. Hope y'all have a great weekend! Greetings from Köln :)
They should have never sacked Nagelsmann, such hubris to think they could just replace a young visionary manager with a snap of fingers
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 634)
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
Yh, you've been asking for while now still 😅
You can do it 🥇
Too short of a list to lick from though. Wont be a great list.
Easyyyyy! Let me give you the top five! Any German who played for Arsenal!
Ozil
Lehman
Per mertisuker (sure I butchered his last name)
Kai
Leno
Serge
Mustafi (voted by palace fans)
Bumping this for the dedication
Bayern have been poorly run for years, interfering with transfer policy etc.
Should have lost the Bundesliga last year but the rest of the league was still so gaslit that they fumbled it.
It's taken an outsider in Alonso, a winner, to change the loser mindset of one of the other 17 clubs.
Hopefully this marks a renaissance in club and international German football because both have been killed by the past decade of faux morality.
There is truth to this
There are really no rivalries in the bundesliga they all just collectively hate one team and that is Leipzig because they are owned by a energy drink company
It was just a league full of cucks
It is a great shame that Harry Kane has never won a championship with his team.
Kane is an underrated football player.
Or any(!) trophy!
Its incredibly funny tho. I have nothing aginst Kane but I rooted against Bayern in every competition just for the memes
literally no one has ever said Kane is underrated. ever.
Spurs are just shit 🤣
Kane isn’t underrated at all. I don’t think anyone will argue that he isn’t one of the best no. 9’s in the world.
That's okay because England are winning the Euros
How about a remarkable rise of Bologna video?
You mean 7 times serie a champion bologna? It the decline and lack of money for other teams bit like villa this in prem a midtable team qualifying for cl
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
It's all because of Bernat and we know it
As a German Bayern supporter I can say that this was (as ever) a well researched and balanced video about the situation. It could‘ve gone a bit more in depth into the complicated leadership structure and some of the senior figures like Höneß making silly comments about Tuchel in the media - but I agree with 99% of what has been said. I would’ve liked to see Tuchel stay at the club - but the board seems to continue its strategy of cutting cost and then blaming the manager…
So it turns out Bayern decided to do the funniest thing ever with the man shown at 23:55.
Good luck to Vincent, he's going to need it.
World class football insight, writing, and delivery. Prolific pace of video production.
Not only it's a toxic environment to work - it's also dead boring to (have to) win the league every year... Never understood how for so many years, everybody they wanted, they actually got. 🤷♂️
Boring uno, you act like there isn’t immense presence to deliver at the club you are always 3 loses away from potential chaos from the media. Let’s also not forget it’s one of the biggest clubs in the world that’s why the get the best managers. Not rocked sciences.
@@abdullahyussuf8084 the league has been terribly boring for a decade. And yes, as soon as you lose even one game, your job is on the line. Not the kind of challenge I consider worth the trouble. And obviously, managers out there have finally understood that no matter how much money you get - which you will get elsewhere as well - you can't win a lot of prestige but lose a lot of it at that club. 🤷
@@rudigerkipferl4479 that is pretty much at every topjob. Hence why it's a topjob if you fail at city, barca and real you think you won't lose prestige? Come on now.
@@rudigerkipferl4479 Well a simple question - How much Bundesliga do you follow ?
Your statement stinks of a person who actually doesn't watch the Bundesliga regularly . Well whoever has watched the Bundesliga knows that every match is jampacked with fun and thunder but only if you want to see it . For example - I love to see Mainz play anyone even though they are inches away from playoffs - same with Bremen - actually the Bundesliga is a treat to watch for a fan but only if you love football - if you're a big fan from not the same continent and only there because of the fandom of club and not for sake of football in first place then the Bundesliga is boring for you .
And let me just shove in a fact - Both Premier League and Bundesliga have had clubs which have won 6 out of the last 7 titles , the two juggernauts being Manchester City Football club and Bayern Munchen ( Bayern Munich )
Will be interested to see your take on this
And regarding title race being interesting in the Premier league , Bayern frickin WON the Bundesliga last year on GOAL DIFFERENCE , yes you heard it right and faces serious competition in domestic cups but ofcourse for someone who doesn't watch the Bundesliga - shitting on a league just because they have a regular winner is FANCY .
First watch a whole season of Bundesliga and then call it boring , you stink of someone who supports the likes of top-10 revenue generating clubs ( for sure ) . The Bundesliga is a treat for someone who loves football , always was and hopefully always will be .
@@therelaxlead676 Can't follow all of your ramblings but I follow the Bundesliga since 1980. Much of what you say used to be right before Champions League money made the title race null and void and Bayern winning more often than not with ten points or more for the last decade. So it's more accurate to say the title race has been terribly boring for a decade, I'll give you that. Yes, the last season was different, as was this one, of course, but the years before were a drag - the battle for relegation can only keep interest in a league for so long if there's no battle at the top. And I'm far too careful to hope for an ongoing change as money talks and the usual way of operations in the Bundesliga - since the 80s - is Bayern buying every key player they can get from the rising clubs like Leverkusen of Stuttgart. Like in the past Del Haye, Labbadia, Elber, Lucio, Klose, Gomez, Lewandowski, Götze, Upamecano... You name them. It's going to happen again. So as for competition and tradition, until 2022 the second Bundesliga was more exciting to follow. Would be great if things changed in the Bundesliga and there was more Mainz and Bremen and battle for the title but for reasons mentioned I doubt it.
De Zebri is leaving Brighton the same morning this video came out.
I think he watched the video and decided he was the man for the job.
Great video, one of the best! 👏👏👏
All you do is put out banger videos. One of my favorite channels on TH-cam
Hoeness is a problem, sure, but many clubs are finding difficulties with top players throwing their weight around. It becomes difficult when there is so much money around. Club management doesn’t want to upset their expensive assets, and coaches are caught in brutal squeeze plays in several leagues.
It feels so bad to see my beloved club in this situation. The reckless board shouldn't have betrayed Julian. The board made a mistake, and we fans are now paying for it. Come back stronger, my love ❤
Very insightful, thank you.
Tuchel knows if he stay at Bayern he won't stay for long if they manage to get someone they want. Just like what happened to Nagelsmann. After he confirmed this point, he denied Bayern.
i'll take the job! i won the champions league with a 4. league club just 5 years after taking over in my last football manager 2024 game!
We need a similar video about Barcelona and their management issues
Thomas Muller is the manager we need but that’s a long way out lol
At least a decade
very well put !
15:45 not decorated elsewhere? Lattek won all European titles with three different clubs. Hitzfeld won the Champions League with Bayern and Dortmund was „world club coach of the year“ twice. And Beckenbauer who famously won the World Cup as player and coach.
At this point, Muller's gonna retire and try to fix bayern as manager
I really like the points made at the conclusion
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Alfie, you're brilliant. Thank you for your excellent videos 🐯
Lmao he’s a woke🤡
Because their last manager who was in charge for 3 years was Pep Guardiola. About 8 years ago.
Regarding Ralf Rangnick: the main reason in my opinion is that Rangnick usually only takes jobs where he has complete freedom regarding the signings, the playing philosophy and so on. Bayern has a "VP of sports" and and a sporting director. So he would have been "just" the manager. He was just playing mind games to strengthen his position in the Austrian football federation.
I don't think he was only playing mind games. Allegedly Rangnick had had all of his demands approved by FC Bayern and was seriously contemplating the move, which is not surprising given that he reportedly was offered a salary that was four times higher than what the Austrian federations is able to currently pay him. I truly believe, that what ended up convincing Ralf rangick to stay in Austria is how deeply he is valued and appreciated, dare I even say loved here. Some players have come forward and said that they had called Rangnick during the time of his negotiations with Bayern and told him that they'd like to continue working with him. Maybe I'm being a bit overly romantic but I think that level of appreciation convinced Rangnick to stay in the end.
@@thejulinks All his demands? So he lowered his standards for Bayern?
@@fairphoneuser9009 Demands as in control over upcoming signings, bringing over his own staff inf favour of those who are already at the club, allegedly also a three year contract to discourage Bayern from firing him the minute Alonso or Klopp are available... those are some extreme concessions that would have given Rangnick way more power than any coach before him at Bayern.
@@thejulinks So the VP of sports and the sporting director would have been virtually jobless while being paid?
@@fairphoneuser9009 basically, yeah. They would realistically do their jobs as in looking for players that might fight the team and then run those names by Rangnick before pursuing them. They'd also obivously need to take Rangnick's inout very seriously. Keep in mind that Freund and Rangnick had worked together in the past, and Eberl has also on occasions in the past spoken highly of Rangnick.
I dont know why people keep saying De Zerbi, they never wanted De Zerbi
Why would anyone want his volatile management style at a top club? He is so overrated its ridiculous
They wanted De Zerbi.
They still think about him.
He was never the first choice option but was constantly on the short list.
De Zerbi is an Italian Brendan Rodgers.
You got it wrong about Liverpool's pursuit for Klopp's successor. It wasn't really troublesome at all for Liverpool.
Klopp chose to leave on his own accord and told the club that he planned to leave in November (January was the public announcement), so Liverpool had a head start to find his replacement. They did months of research and scouting to find the ideal candidate and Arne Slot was actually identified as a serious contender fairly early on in the process, along with Xabi Alonso and Ruben Amorim. Slot wasn't their 4th, 5th or 6th choice as is the case with Bayern in their pursuit, Slot was a serious frontrunner for Liverpool fairly early on.
Out of all of the contenders, Xabi Alonso was the only one that turned Liverpool down, the rest were turned down by Liverpool themselves. Amorim was rejected by Liverpool over Amorim's instance on sticking to a back 3 rather than adapt to Liverpool's preferred back 4 and a different long-term vision to what Liverpool wanted.
Even if Xabi Alonso had been up for it, he would not have been given it on a silver plate, it would have been a close race between him and Slot. That's how serious of a contender Arne Slot was for Liverpool. With Amorim, Liverpool were even annoyed when Portuguese media started rumours that Amorim had agreed to a deal when he hadn't and Liverpool were angry as they feared it would have put Slot or other candidates off. Amorim didn't fit what Liverpool wanted so he was not considered.
Whether Liverpool have got it right with Arne Slot and if the data translates to results, we will find out by the end of the next season (Slot may be a success or not). But Liverpool's pursuit for a new manager was far from chaotic, Liverpool knew what they doing and had a clear plan and a clear back-up plan. That is not the case for Bayern Munich at all, Tuchel's departure was their own making and their toxic culture has been exposed and this has only put managers off from becoming manager.
Sacking Nagelsmann was a callous move from Munich. Of course as a Dortmund and Stuttgart fan this should have been a good news but man Munich is a mess this season. In a way I don't want them to completely disintegrate, though, that would be horrific for German football.
Great timing as De Zerbi announces he's leaving Brighton!
He's already announced that he's not going to Bayern.
Congratulations Alfie for 600k subscribers 🎉
Let's just say this, anywhere a group of old retired men who spend their time golfing and attend an occasional meeting are in charge, things usually become like this. Not just football.
I'm telling you it's the Harry kane curse silverware seems to swerve him for some reason 😂still world class though
You can take man away from spurs but you can't take the spurs away from the man
That man is seriously cursed. Send him to PSG and they would finish second
@@BlueflagAlpha while also breaking the scoring record lol
Martin Demichelis would be an interesting choice
As a Bayern fan, this has been a long time coming.
Saying that it started with the sacking of Nagelsmann isn't correct. It started with the appointment of Pep Guardiola. Pep eroded much of the club culture and even underminded the club in the transfer market, when City made it clear they wanted him.
Höneß and Rüminegge are obsessed with Pep, getting him really boosted their egos. In came the idea of trying to buy flashy expensice overrated premier league signings, and out was the longterm planning, and the smart business that got them to where they are. (Im not talking about Harry Kane btw).
Bayern are the best run club in the world, with 50+1 they are a people's club, with a bond closer to their supporters than no English club could ever be. It's why i became a fan.
All good things come to an end, but if 2-3 years of a clearout is needed, its worth it. Höneß is old and senial, directing from the lakehouse. It wont get better until he's finally actually retired.
In the end, Bayern at their worst are better than Arsenal at their best.
The 2013 and 2020 treble winning Bayern seems to be quintessential Bayern, fast and direct.
Guardiola did change the footballing direction in that respect (I'm not so sure about the club).
I'm not as optimistic about Bayern's future. I think they're going through a gradual decline. I don't think they'll become Man Utd, but they won't be their 2013 or 2020 selves either for some time.
Who from the PL did Bayern try to buy under Pep?
I am a Bayern fan too and I completely agree with your comment.
@toomuchinformation it was more that Bayern started hunting for transfers in the Premier League, wasting time and resources, all the while the best players in the world are coming from the Bundesliga, their own backyard.
There's no reason that Bayern shouldn't have a world class youth team, but they seem to ignore that in favor of big name signings for the first team.
Good video. Thanks.
i love the narrating on this channel :D
The is this great,super underrated manager at Benfica called Roger Schmidt, he would be the perfect fit for this job Bayern should totally take him
Nice one m8. You can keep him
@@mihailstratan343And who do you realistically suggest then because bayern have already been turned down by 5 people
If I remember correctly, he managed Bayer Leverkusen in the mid 2010s, after Sascha Lewandowski and Sami Hyppia.
He just rejected them as well.😭😂
@@ironcrusader728 promote someone from within, like Barcelona did after Rijkaard failed to win the league.
Bro said sanity like it’s a new player “Sanetti”😅😂
Sacking Nagelsmann and still keeping (and paying) the senior players like Muller, Neuer, and Choupo-Moting who should have been sold SEASONS BACK btw, are the two biggest mistakes the Bayern management has ever made. And I love that this is now hitting them and their fans like a planet sized brick.
10:20 actually Bulgarian team Ludogorets you did a documentary on is in a pretty similar situation to Bayern domestically :D
I'm still undefeated in EAFC24. Just throwing that out there @BayernMunchen
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Well one of the big issues is Oli Hoeneß. Bro is chatting sooo much shit and still has a lot of influence at the club. He is reportedly impossible to work with and always yaps to the media about EVERYTHING that bothers him personally. No manager wants to work with the board and management as they are now and I can totally understand them
I can tell you, Bayern München's struggles are the icing on the delicious cake this season has been so far. And I know, a defeated Bayerrn is a dangerous Bayern, so I'm sure they'll come back at us with a vengeance. But the ridiculousness of the current situation is totally worth it. Yep, it's Schadenfreude.
I think a Stockport County vid would be another great vid to add to your already great video collection
shouldve never been in this Tuchel situation to begin with. Nagelsmann should still be the manager. Also made another horrible decision by alienating almost all of their American fan base by partnering with LAFC.
There are two names that appear in Bayern forums. Marco Rose and Louis van Gaal. The latter would be a solution for just one year and then they might try to get Alonso or Klopp.
There is no way Klopp would go to Bayern. The only thing left for him would be the Nationalmannschaft. Plus he would not want to take the bullsh1t of Hoeneß
Even after leaving Dortmund, Klopp kept laughing at Bayern whenever they were on the receiving end of misfortune. There's no way in hell that guy would ever end up there, lol.
@@segafreak2000 Well bayern is the best place for him though in all regards - Germany , Money and Squad - not to mention the ability to fish German markets to the core and indirectly dictate the way the German National team plays and Ottmar Hittzfeld has been a Dortmund Manager and Bayern Manager as well ( won the UCL with both ) so in the end people change their minds and the factor of money and power is always there so we never know
Ajax just asked Van Gaal, but he said he does not want to be a full-time manager anymore.
Rose sounds like a more realistic idea.
@@princepretty I tend to agree. And it would be a shame if he went to Bayern because I do actually like him. But people said the same thing about Neuer and he ended up joining Bayern and some Dortmund fans even said the same thing about Götze and Hummels. So you never know. But I personally thin so too. He will not go to Bayern.
One of your Best Videos brother.
yeah? you watched a 28 min video in 2 mins?
Stop trying to farm likes loser
You genuinely don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Liverpool. Alonso was never in contention for manger, contrary to National press reports, it was long known by local press that Alonso had already made it clear he wasn't going to move, neither was De Zerbi ever a serious target, again that was press talk. They did pursue Ruben Amorim but his club suddenly doubled the compensation so Liverpool rightly walked away. It was only then they went after Slot who was on the list of targets drawn up. As for Bayern, they maybe successful in the Mickey Mousesliga but they wouldn't finish in the top 4 in the EPL because they're unused to real competition.
Alosno was considered but Liverpool had prepared for the event of him not going. Slot was actually already a serious contender by the time Alonso announced that he staying at Leverkusen, Liverpool were just keeping their options open.
As for Ruben Amorim, the money and compensation was not the deciding factor, it was differences in tactics and long-term vision for the club that resulted in Liverpool turning him down. Amorim swears by his use of a back three formation, whereas Liverpool's squad and the youth system are built around a back four formation and Ruben Amorim was unwilling to change from that and such a change would require a lot of retraining of the entire Liverpool team and they function. Liverpool deemed that was too big of a risk and so turned him down.
There's a documentary from a few years back about Toni Kroos, Prime or Netflix, can't remember. Bayern almost seemed cult-like. I wouldn't want to work there either. 🤣
Hoeneb and rumminege are the main reason, publicly bash coaches while they're still in charge and coaches at bayern have very limited control over the club decisions
He's called Hoeneß, that's a sharp s not a b.
If your kayboard does not have the "ß" and you don'T want to paste it from somewhere, just use a double "s", so Hoeness.
Cause they won 11 straight league championships and still sacked managers
Thank you, Alfie 😊
Will bring up Brighton's injuries as an excuse but not Man United's Injuries, classic English bias when it comes to United 😂🤣
Alfie is a woke gen z 🤡👍
Tbh you can say the same about Man United. I don’t get it though, I’d die to see the natural beauty of Old Trafford Falls ☔️☔️☔️☔️
We've not made an offer to any managers so I have absolutely no idea what you're on about
Old Trafford falls? 😂😂😂
@@jhaych It’s similar in the sense that Man Utd isn’t the sort of job that would bring managers racing to Old Trafford, even if it’s one of the biggest jobs in the world in regards to prestige and fan expectations historically.
Vids about Bayern kid rent free😂😂😂
If it falls down thy can play rent free in ya head 😂🤡
What on Earth is going on at Portland Timbers FC? Phil Neville is horrific
Hi,
I’ve left it late, but I’ve commented before on videos & I’d love to see this a yearly thing, I’m more interested in premiership, but other divisions would be cool too.
Video idea.
Imagine a final game of season top half vrs bottom half.
1 player from each team, goalkeepers can be the exception.
I think it's quite obvious.. they have am erm 'certain player' they recently signed on their cards who is simply allergic to trophies that will ensure that no matter how many goals he scores, trophies will simply be too cursed to come...
Maybe they are not stable when it comes to managers the last 3 years! They just sack managers when things go south, instead of wroking with them to get out of that situation!!
As always, brilliant content. Bologna might be worth a video unless I have missed it…
19:51 Stuttgart were now 2nd after Bayern Munich's 2-4 loss over Hoffenheim, while Bayer Leverkusen won the league unbeaten (even though they had 1 point less than the 2012-13 Bayern's winning team and also equalled Arsenal's points during the Invincibles in 2003-04 season). For the first time since 2010/11 season, Bayern didn't finish Top 2 in Bundesliga.