Symptoms and Diagnosis of a Bad Evap Vent Valve Solenoid - List of Codes Included
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- In this video I will go over the symptoms of a bad Evap ( Evaporative Emission) Vent Valve / Solenoid, and also how it works plus how you can easily diagnose it without a scanner. Plus here is a list of codes that could be as a result of a bad Evap vent solenoid and cause you to have a check engine light:
P0440 - General Fault in the Evap System
P0446 - Evap System Vent Control Circuit Malfunction
P0447 - Evap System Vent Valve / Solenoid Circuit Open
P0448 - Evap System Vent Valve / Solenoid Circuit Shorted
P0449 - Evap System Vent Valve / Solenoid Circuit Malfunction
P0455 - Evap System Large Leak Detected
P0456 - Evap System Small Leak Detected
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Swearing or no swearing ,you still one of the best reviewers on youtube.Nicely explained so most of us can understand.Keep up the work,most of us are extremely grateful and appreciate it.
Clear illustrations. Detailed explanation. Good vid quality. No distraction. No noise. No shaking camera. Excellent. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for your comment, glad to hear you see the work that goes into these videos. cheers
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I agree great Video... I learned so much in my time of KIA ordeals
If anyone is having trouble pumping gas in this model car, you definitely want to check the filter tube vent. This is located driver's side rear wheel well. You will have to remove the wheel to get access to the plastic shroud in the wheel well. The filter tube vent is located behind there. You'd be surprised how much road debris actually gets trapped up in there despite it being covered. When I cleaned mine, I removed a dustpan sized pile of dirt and sand. In my case, cleaning that filler vent did the trick allowing me to pump gas, and not have to do the "flip the gas nozzle upsidedown" trick in order to pump gas. 3 years since and still pumping gas fine. Just a quick tip no one really talks about. 😉
My code says that my "Evap canister purge vent" is blocked. Do you know how I would fix that?
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Search TH-cam with the year make and model of your car, and evap canister vent valve/solenoid.
On a 2001-2006 Hyundai Elantra that valve/solenoid is located in the charcoal canister housing located left rear...under the bumper and behind the left rear wheel. Open the housing, disconnect the hoses, and check for charcoal or any other blockages in the valve and in the hoses connected to it.
Might possibly be your valve is stuck closed and unable to open and close as needed. If that's the case, a replacement would be needed and is fairly simple and inexpensive.
Sorry, if that's not the info you're seeking. Good starting point at least.
Good luck.
Love this guy's videos, great quality and legitimate explanations and breakdowns. I've talked to other "professional" mechanics that can't give a clear breakdown on issues. You have helped me turn into a pretty competent DIY mechanic for myself, family and friends
The best video of a mechanic swearing and explaing how things are done. Amazing tutorial!
Your approach is so effective that for every problem, like no one else, you make a schematic to explain it’s principle of working. 👍🏻
Cussing while working on an evap system is required for a good repair!
Cussing is a necessity!
@@pothead503 That's right, Dammit!
Remove evap system, substitute vehicle.
Routine maintenance is optional.
Cold beer helps the job go smoother.
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Very helpful video. I am a tool & die maker in the automotive sector. When I asked this error code to be explained, I was told things that made no sense. The more clarification I asked, the more I realized I was being sent down a rabbit hole of being ripped off at a Ford dealership. Can't stand these repair sales folk who think they can sell a story to anyone and everyone will believe them. Thank you for the enlightenment.
half the time the service advisors have no clue of a cars systems and how hey work exactly
@@reweydewy Verbally, when it comes to large leak, they tell me their guessing which part, as they've replaced them one by one. Now that I want a state waiver from any more evap bills, in writing, it says "Customer is refusing general diagnostics." ?!?
Exactly prepared for 2 cat converter buys
And loss of cars cat converter
I've watched 15 or 20 videos concerning EVAP System problems (PO447) yours is the only one that helped. Great illustration, great description, and good videotaping. Thank you!
This is the best explanation of the EVAP system I've seen.
Glad you like the video, thanks for commenting.
code p0621
Dammit, when will the Czech's build an OBDC scanner protocol proxy device that continuously sends a reset to the car's computer while at the same time sends a "We're cool here, nothing to see" output to the DMV's connection? Because sending perfectly running and SAFE cars to the crusher due to yearly DMV crucifixion is killing us.
Your smart. Thank you for your contribution
@@johnsaccoccio7373 I'm fairly close to that (perfectly running and safe, sent to the crusher) myself. Dealer and mechanics can't resolve P0455, for the past 2 years. I don't understand the necessity of having the system open for purging. Closed fuel system with one-way inlet of air to avoid vacuum, would seem to do the job.
This 10 min was more entertaining and informative Than season 4 of fast n loud . I swing from your knowledgeable sak brother Thanks
You are seriously the hero of the day. This just saved my butt completely. After checking the wiring and replacing the solenoid With no luck of getting rid of the code, i watched your video. Unhooked everything and dropped the Evap canister blew air into it to see if it was clogged. Seemed fine. Traced the hoses back only to find dirt packed completely in the outside vent. Looked like the vent cover may have been reinstalled upside down by someone so it was able to fill up like a cup. Anyways thank you so much ! Blessings
Awesome I have to check my system when I put gas in my car an O2 Kia Optima V6 it keeps popping off you guys are the best
You did a really good job explaining this. I was struggling to understand the vent solenoid until now.
cursing part was funny too
I know this is old, but thank you. Been looking at this, everyone talks about replacing the various parts, but no one shows a simple schematic of how the system works. Best info I've found in several hours of searching.
Amazing!!! THank you! We live in good times with guys like you and TH-cam to teach us!
Real nice explanation of the evap system. Now I know where to start testing for my code error. THANKS !!
Your my favorite teacher of auto mechanics. Thank you!
Well done, very well done. My dad was called Maestro by all his friends when fixing their cars in our garage drinking bear. I can say that your friends and myself can and should call you Maestro. You explain the process very well thanks for the info.
Very informative. I found it easy to understand, with common-sense explanations. Got my car fixed myself when the garage guy couldn't! Thank you!
Was looking forever for the in depth explanation of why my car wasn't taking gas. Thank you for the info. Greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this video! I had a P0442 code and was doing all kinds of research trying to diagnose it. Your video helped me understand the evap system better and I was eventually able determine it was the vent valve. Apparently I backed into something and damaged it. Anyways, I replaced the valve (and some other evap components) and yesterday I passed smog :D Again, thanks for this video and the great info you provided!
Your humor is very funny but it is also perfectly portioned. Keep that balance.
$400 new oem canister on 95 maxima
this guy is great ,out of most videos i have watched , he is the only one that explains everything where i can understand , thank you ,
Thank you. Great video. I have not been able to find a really good explanation of the EVAP system anywhere until now. I'm a subscriber for life. You just saved me a ton of money and time.
Many thanks. Very instructive and clear. Nicely done!
Awesome detailed video! Exactly what I needed....I like the way you draw out diagrams and make them simple enough a simpleton like myself can comprehend...I had code P0449 and followed your instructions...I bench tested it with my power probe and get 12v on hot side and 0v green light negative on control side, however I don't get an audible click whatsoever when I supply 12+ v through my probe..I also used my bi- directional scan tool to help troubleshoot and test, still no click! I'm gonna buy a new vent solenoid.... thank you.
This video made more sense to me then all the mechanics I have spoken to regarding my Evap issue
Very good and concise explanation of the EVAP system. I was able to diagnose a bad vent solenoid and was back on the road shortly after. Thank you!
We've been in producing for decades, have to say my friend you did a fantastic job of presentation and explanation. I went looking specifically on how test a solenoid on an evap canister, look what I found. Thanks! Great vid.
Love your drawings, always spot on for the video. Your explanations of systems and symptoms are always complete and informative without running long and droning on.
Glad to hear you like the quality of the video's, I've gotten better at presentation and editing over the years. It is alot more work on my end but the final result is better for the consumer. cheers
Great job on the explanation !!! I've had this problem for awhile now and I feel more competent about knowing what's going on thanks for this video.
Thanks for the video. Mine is a 2007 Sub with only 74 miles. Check engine light turned on with OBD code P0446 (Evaporative Emission System Vent Control Circuit 1/1. I've replaced the gas cap, vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire and the Emissions Vapor Canister Purge Valve Solenoid EVAP Vent ( I don't think it's necessary but I did it anyway). Cleared it and the check engine light is gone but after driving 93 miles, the I/M is still not ready with a combo drive of city and fwy. Drove it for another mile and after 6 cycles, when I ran the OBD at 94 miles to see if it's I/M ready, unfortunately I see the same "pending" P0446 code despite driving it up to 110 miles hoping it will clear on it's own. So I decided to erase the pending code/OBD and did the same thing again. Drove it up to 92 miles without check engine, still not I/M ready and at 94 miles later it's still not ready and the "pending" p0446 code is back. Replaced the vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire again just in case I have a bad part, but unfortunately pending P0446 code is back. I'm hesitating on replacing the vapor vent/big box like cause I don't have issue filling up gas and no gas odor around the area too. Could it be the fuel tank pressure solenoid? I hope not... cause I know this is pretty common on the 2006 but not on the 2007. I'd appreciate yours or anyone's.
This video was very helpful. I been having problems with my Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 09' I thought it was my spark plugs and cord's and spark wires. So I changed them and the problem got bad. So I drop my gas tank and changed the fuel pump and still was acting bad. So I read up on it and now I probably know it's a bad purge valve. But I'm glad I changed everything myself and I'm learning as I go along in life.
Tanks also have pressure sensors that the PCM uses to determine how much vaccum pressure the tank needs, in order to know what signals to send to the purge valve and the vent solenoid. The gas caps is also vented to let in fresh air to the tank upon vaccum pull from the PCM. Caps determine open or closed based on vaccum and gas pressures and vary based on tank pressures.
Very informative, well detailed and I really like how everything was drawn out.
9/10 would do it again...
Much Love
I had to watch his video a couple times just to understand how the system works and by the way thanks for the tips keep up the good work
That voltage on the Ground side is called Bias Voltage. It is a common technique in circuit design to detect if there is a problem with a sensor circuit.
Potentially telling you the sensor / evap vent is bad right?
@@cloutkingupnext4721 possibly. If the bias voltage isn't at the expected level it could indicate a problem with the solenoid, but it could (also) mean there is a problem with the wiring. e.g. a damaged/corroded wire. Don't fall into the trap of automatically assuming the device on the circuit is the problem.
Awesome video/information. Thanks very much!
Thank you for this video, I've seen others but this explains the evap system the best. Now I understand my P0440 code dilemma!!
concise and clear statement about how the evap system operations and how it works. Thank you.
Another great informative and entertaining video from you. Keep your videos coming
will do, thanks for watching and commenting, cheers.
love all your videos!! being a women who is tired of machanics taking advantage of women !! you are on my top 5 machanics i go to when i have a problem. I enjoy all the videos i have watched !! Thank you so much!!
The illustration was good, perfect for explaining the system. Thank you!
Your very detailed description, helped me troubleshoot and repair my Nissan Titan in minutes. My bad vent solenoid was always stuck closed. Giving me a ODB code P1444, and a check engine light. Thanks for the informative video!
Thanks I learned a lot from your video first time Ive watched itI believe I’m going to subscribe once again thanks keep up the good work
Great tutorial. It gave me an idea for further troubleshooting since I have a pesky P0440 and P0446 issue. I will check for ground continuity and partial solenoid closure/leak since I've verified power is supplied and the solenoid "clicks" when bench tested.
First video I see somebody taking the time to describe evap systems on Hyundai..Excellent !
This was the most helpful thong ever to understand what might be happening to my car. Thank you so much!
I pured your language .you did a good job explaining how the system works thank you .
Thanks for the complete explanation of this relatively complex system.
Thanks for the great explanation of the evap system. Very clear and concise!
Great video. I have a evap code on right now. This really helps and the explanation behind what to do is fantastic. Thanks for explaining the whole set up and how it works. Also shared the video.
Man !!! This is great example and explanation it’s like watching Sesame Street, for grown men.
Great videos keep making videos thank you
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I’m having these exact symptoms on my 2013 Ford Fusion and I’ve already purchased a replacement vapor canister vent valve but I didn’t fully understand how it worked/how it would give me these symptoms! But thanks to your video and diagram, you have given me all the information I need to fix my issue! Great job sir!!!
That happened to my aunt's '05 Sedona. She took it to a mechanic down the road and he said it needed a new cam, lifters and a head job. I put my code reader on it and she told him to hold off and replace the solenoid. he did and it's still running great.Thanks for making this video...!!!
That has to be the worse diagnosis of a bad vent solenoid that mechanic did on your aunt's Sedona..lol
Guess he had a boat payment due.
Hope she found a good mechanic! This doesn't sound like one!
Very cool advice. Thank You for this information. My car got rear-ended and the code identifies this as the issue. So I guess when the car hit me, it damaged this component.
Quality videos with a mature teacher. A1
One of the best videos on the subject. I had a lot of questions about the vent valve solenoid. You provided a lot of good information for me thank you.
Wow....various garage guys have been throwing vocabulary at me for a week now. I'm not a helpless girl when it comes to cars but the whole thing was getting on my nerves. THIS was an AWESOME explanation. We'll be able to get the car to pass inspection now that we know what to look for and replace/repair. THX!
That's a really good explanation, Thanks, I think you could add that on start up the computer puts ground to the vent solenoid and closes it so a leak test is done on the fuel system. Vacuum is pulled by the engine and if the tank has a leak (loose cap, cracked hose or leaky or non closing vent solenoid) a code is set and check engine light comes on. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks again.
THANK YOU BRO !!!! GREAT INFO / EXPLAINED PERFECTLY FOR DUMB AceSS LIKE ME, ME KEEP DOIN WHAT YOU DO !!!
You are the KING of Mechanics! Simply Amazing !
I had 3 codes, I fixed two, and this one is the one that is giving me problems, but I will use my test light to see if I get any voltage. Thanks for the info. Very helpful.
Thank you SOOOO much for this video!!! I've been trying to find a vacuum leak for almost 18 months and I couldn't and every shop I took it took said their wasn't one bit I knew from the rough idle there had to be a leak.. And finally it's found!! Thank you so so much... My car never threw a code bc the electric solenoid was working fine, but the diaphragm on the other side wasn't holding a vacuum and there for gave me a vacuum leak.. I really hope this video helps others like it did me... Thank you again - Ive learned a lot watching ur videos...
William penrose where did you find it at
My engine stalls occasionally (diesel 220cdi merc) and then recovers within secs whilst driving or may die if ticking over...could a blockage in the evap system cause this?
@@Infinitpossibilities take the purge valve off, carefully; then get a $13 pressure/vacuum gauge from harbor frieght store, and connect Vacuum/pressure gauge line to canister purge solenoid/valve's "air output side" hole, then blow air into (or try to suck vacuum air) the Vacuum side hole of the purge valve. If the Vacuum gauge needle moves while you are blowing air into the purge valve, then your Purge Canister Valve/Solenoid is Leaking. If you get Free Shipping (go Amazon). If no free shipping, probably best to go to DIY friendly AutoZone and also Register on their website to get Free access to their Professional Repair Manuals (they recently purchased national auto repair manual company).
Great video!! Just an FYI... There will sometimes be a slight charge on the ground side of a circuit. This is called a " static charge". When you touch your test light, or anything conductive, to it..
It's called a " static discharge".
thx for the video. definitely the most descriptive one covering p0446
Awesome job with the explanation and demonstration. Thanks for doing this.
For the gas cap small vacuum leak, you can replace your gas cap with an OEM one and still not solve the problem if your filler pipe lip is corroded. It must be smooth or you are going to spend a lot of money on gas caps.
Thank you for the overview of how this is _supposed_ to work.
Are gas vapors so prolific that they needed to create this horrific overly complicated EVAP system? I understand one-way valve letting air in for gas burnt so it doesn't create a vacuum. I don't understand the reason for a purge out of air, which looks to be where the complexity comes in, in system design, maintenance and repair.
Really good overview of the EVAP system that's easy to follow and diagnose the potential problems that may occur. Also enjoyed the "Blues Brothers" cursing session!
Best video! Please do more videos of EVERYTHING you know about cars so I can understand things that I didn't even understand that I didn't understand! Great explanation with regular speech. A+
Let me add to this video that the testing of the selenoid cables is very important. I spent almost 1000 dollars trying to fix a P0401 code on my Tacoma almost 3 years ago only to find out yesterday that a cable connection was the problem. Wiggle very gentle in different positions while testing it.
Hey that was a good freaking explanation , o shit I cursed , ah damit !!
Best video ever and great illustrations! I always learn a lot from these videos. The Mrs. on the other hand: well you put her to sleep. She knows what time it is when she hears "Hey do it yourselfers!" If she is really having a hard time sleeping I will watch your AC video. That one really knocks her out!
I enjoy your videos... had issues with my XC90... a hose just came lose but not completely... u would have saved me a load off time it your video was made a year ago... thanks again for your informative videos
Changed them all, it's my charcoal canister, and it is on top the tank.
Part over 100 bucks on an 04 grand prix, what a load of crap
Like you guys never swear!!! C'mon,,, that was hilarious
yup pretty funny I thought as well.
I don't swear since I had a radical encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ
Just changed Vapor purge solenoid P0456 2006 Grand Cherokee 3.7l....took 1 min and smoothed out my idle. saved me $200, Thanks.
Fastest 200 I ever made. Better to be in my hand than than the dealers cash machine.
Thank you for the simplified diagram and explaining the areas of possible failures.
Nice technical drawings...seriously. You should write technical/informational booklets. (I hope your mom isn't watching your videos.) : )
The subtitles picked up the profanity fine but missed a lot of the rest. Pretty funny.
lol
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thank you for this great video that help me to fix my evap problem.
Good job! Most thorough explanation of the evap system I've seen. I can stop looking now.
Could you do a video on how an EGR system works?
P.s. I found the swearing quite funny tbh 😂😂😂
I have an older video on the EGR system, check it out in my channel. Let me know if its good or not, maybe I'll do a redo of it. cheers
thanks guys not sorry bout da cussing lol😅😅
Aaron Frazier Hey I got a P0496 code on my 2007 Cadillac CTS. Says System Flow during non-purge.
@@user-eu4lz3zp7b Purge solenoid is bad. Or there's a leak between the solenoid and the intake manifold.
Yep that was the best explanation of the evap system I have seen. Only problem I see is the drawing specifically the hoses going in/out of the canister(the vapors would not be cleaned).
The vent hose should either go from one end to the other (from top almost all the way to bottom)or have a physical barrier going almost all the way to the other end of canister(from the top almost all the way to bottom) separating it from the other two hoses forcing the vapors to go thru the charcoal and then thru vent)
The hoses for the purge and tank should be going just to the top into the canister (same chamber/not going thru the charcoal).
The way you drew it - all hoses are in the same chamber and nothing would be cleaned.
Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you. I bought a project car and no nothing a bought mechanics. This is so helpful and I’m a fan!
3:51 LMAO!
" Do you ever have a problem putting gas in your car? Roll up your windows and eat at taco bell.
Asking for a bad day!
This is the best explanation I’ve seen and I’ve watched 12 videos on this topic
very illustrative explanation !! it really help me out !! Congratulations
Pretty awesome and darn good. Rock on. Profanity don't suit you tho....
3:50, the pcm is always a b**ch
Thank you man. Best class ever on this subject. You the man!
Hey! watch that language
I can't thats just how I am.
Super nice job with the diagram and explanation!
I've watched several videos on this subject - got the dreaded check engine light, cleared it and it came right back. Your video explained the subject very well. Thank you. Now could you come on over and test mine for me? Ha! Thanks for being clear and providing a easy to understand illustration. Peace!
Excellent. The general code of p0440 makes me think of a wild chase for a fix but we must begin somewhere. Its not the 5 gas caps that each mechanic has replaced. lol Thank you so much.
This is the best explanation for EVAP. Thank you very much.