What's NEXT for these LAND RECOVERY Class 60's..? 60032/60048/60078 & 60093
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มิ.ย. 2024
- The extraction of the Class 60's acquired by Land Recovery from DB has commenced over the last 7 days.
The locos are being moved to a Land Recovery facility near Alsager. See 60048, 60032 and 60093 onsite with rails setup to accomodate further arrivals.
Next to join these three locos is 60078 which is on holiday in a Uttoxeter layby for the weekend. This loco looks to be in reasonable conditions from the external (other than smashed windows) - The engine, transmission, bogies etc will likely be a different story.
What's next for these Class 60 'Tugs'..?
Hope you enjoy the video! Thanks for watching.
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Thank for sharing this film
It's a sad sight, hopefully these last built in Britain locos will have a future.
Hope to see them running in the future
They seem to be keeping the class 60s on a low-loader on the A50 just outside Uttoxeter. I thought they might be going for scrap. I hope they are either preserved or sold to be given a second chance
Yep - Weekend park up at Uttoxeter before the yard opens on Monday morning 👍
Excellent video 👍
well filmed
For anyone curious these class 60’s are a few of 12 that have been purchased off DB Cargo by land recovery ltd/land recovery rail, an aggregates, haulage and on track plant supplier based in Crewe. Some of the 12 will hopefully return to running condition for use in land recovery’s plan to operate their own aggregate rail services, others in the batch look set to become spares donors.
It’s worth noting however the deal between DB and land recovery was concluded many months ago and land recovery have since been acquired by aggregate industries so whilst land recovery seem hopeful to continue growing their operations its unsure whether AI’s purse strings would constrict them to third party railfreight firms.
I heard these aren’t in good condition, there’s rumors of rebuilding them like the class 69 program
@andrewreynolds4949 I'm not sure if there are any unused EMD 12-710 engines left so... who knows where the engines will come from if they'll be re engined
@@Danse_Macabre_125 the EMD 710 series of engines are too tall by several inches to fit in the class 60 and word is it'll be a caterpillar engine similar to that found in the class 68.
@@HJDore Thought it was coupling 710 to the class 60 alternator was problem , having worked on class 60 and 66 for many years I thought the mirrlees was far taller engine than the 710
Wonder how they will get round using the much higher revving class 68 Cat engine anyway hope they get saved
@@nounoufriend1442 I presume they would replace the alternators as well, considering how long many of the examples have sat unused. Regardless I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be a 710 anyway, as much as I like them
I wonder if the height issue is with something like the mounting points, or with a larger radiator etc
Well covered Rob 👌
Thanks mate 👍
@@trainsplanes prepared the groundwork nice and level for the track. These ex DB Cargo locos are getting hidden everywhere!!!
Another lovely video well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on TH-cam bye for now Philip
Long term, but they intend to have their own fleet of locos hence the purchase of the 60's. They should be moved on(one by one) to Falcon Works,Loughborough in time. JG.
Let’s hope the plan plays out in reality 🤞🤞
My guess would be they are going to pull the blocks for power generators/pumps and scrap the rest.
Hopefully, they will all be restored and then put back into operation. If that's not possible, they can be restored for display purposes like they have done with 60081.
If the Wabtec AC44C6M is anything to go by (ex AC4400CW, C44-9W's repurposed with AC traction motors, new cab controllers etc), it is possible that EMD/Progress Rail could offer LR/AI a cheaper rebuild package that could see these Class 60's repurposed as another class of locomotive (possibly Class 71) so as long as the main frame isn't rotten and with the examinations and these being moved this far, I doubt it. These could well have a second life on the rails. Best to keep an eye on the progress of 60014 at Longport as if the CAT C-175 power unit fits and EMD controllers and AC traction motors etc would replace a lot of the old and quite obsolete equipment. Also this could provoke other owners of the Class 60 to follow suit with the EMD/Progress Rail repower/rebuild project such as GBRF and DC Rail. Maybe even DB Cargo with their 5 they've kept back. All eyes should be on the progress of 60014 here onwards as that will be the tell tale signs. Forget the EMD 710 as it will not fit - its too tall to go inside the Class 60 shell by 5 inches. This was what I was told a while back by someone that worked at EWS back in around 2007.
A class 71 still exists so it is unlikely to be given the class 71 identity.
Surprised about 710 being to tall as the Mirrlees is a very tall engine having climbed up them for many years doing tappets/ injector's , worked for BR , EWS , Db Cargo till retirement . Hope they get saved , the body shells are pretty good , they are monocoque construction with much of the strength on body rather than underframe . Fitting smaller Cat engine may require some ballasting as the Mirrlees is a heavy lump , body actually bows upwards with power unit removed
Class 89 is used for preserved diesels and electrics so if the preserved 71 ( or 89001) worked on the mainline they would use this number series.
@@richcatsinthewelder5232 Only 89001 is classified as a class 89, preserved mainline locomotives are only numbered in the 89xxx series just as DVTs are numbered in the 82xxx series but are not class 82. Otherwise Pacers would technically identify as Deltics. The only time a class was in any way reallocated after being associated with a locomotive is class 43 after becoming extinct as a NBL Warship and never actually carried, they were never numbered as 43xxx but HSTs seemed to skip class 42 which I presume is due to there being some remaining.
Well, I see one of the class 60s is going to be converted to steam power, which is a real surprising , but it seems like a lot of work to do it!
Agreed - Not sure that plan will come to fruition myself.
@@trainsplaneshow exactly are they going to do that?! Be easier just to build a big Garratt, surely?
@@richardharrold9736 The plan is to fit a hydrogen fired boiler and four steam turbines driving the existing generator. Seems like a crazy plan to me seeing as you can run a diesel engine perfectly well on hydrogen! JCB do it.
@@marionbloom1218 yeah, and hydrogen is a stupid idea too, given the pressure it has to be stored at. So, you have to have the armoured hydrogen bottles, and water tanks, and a steam boiler, to drive turbines, to drive an electric generator, to turn electric motors... waaayyy too much complexity! And then you'd presumably have to fit in condensers to recycle exhaust steam from the turbines, and oil-water separators... and if you're going hydrogen, why not go fuel cell?
@@richardharrold9736 Yes of course condensers will be a major size and weight as the water must be reused, and given the space limitations the condenser temperature will not be that low, which is the main factor on cycle efficiency for such a "Rankine cycle" power unit - so cycle efficiency will not be great. I've worked on power stations for many years, and the best Rankine cycle steam turbine power stations (eg Drax, Lynemouth) achieve ~44% fuel efficiency but with MASSIVE condensers and cooling towers, whereas a modern diesel engine can deliver almost the same efficiency with no boiler or condensers.
There are multiple other problems with a steam turbine. One is that its efficiency drops off drastically at part load. Not a problem on a power station that runs flat out continuously, but you don't need full output continuously on a loco, after starting the train most of the time it's using low and variable power. I guess that's why they will use 4 turbines, but having only 4 notches on the power control is pretty crude. Whereas diesels are still reasonably efficient at part load, across a continuous range. Secondly, the rate at which you can change the load - with a diesel its response is instant, with a steam cycle it takes time to build up the heat flow and the steam flow and indeed to reduce it. With a diesel, you just close the throttle. You can't do that with a steam cycle unless you are prepared to dump the excess steam until the steam generation rate runs down. So overall, the idea is doomed before it starts, but I will watch it with interest!
Don't forget steam turbine locos have been tried before in the UK and Scandinavia, but the poor part-load efficiency and high coal consumption killed them.
I don't think you'd get enough power out of fuel cells within the size of the loco. You can use them to run a multiple unit, for sure, but not if you want 2500+ horsepower for a Class 5 loco. But no problem with a diesel engine running on hydrogen.
I don't think hydrogen is at all a daft idea, because you can make it out of renewable power when there is an excess on the grid (windy nights), and wind power is now the cheapest on the grid. The storage bottles, though heavy compared to a fuel tank, are not that much of a problem on an RA8 loco; you could even put them in a tender, at a pinch. But moving from internal combustion (Diesel) back to external combustion (Rankine) is a retrograde step for a mobile power unit. You will notice that ALL new large merchant ships (even the biggest container ships) now use diesel engines, none use steam turbines any more because Diesel is just superior in so many ways for mobile applications. Only large power stations still use steam, because (i) you have space for the huge condensers and (ii) they run at full power continuously.
Marion
As we are still using the old 37's anything is possible! Scrap unlikely if you're moving them by road this far.
Class 37s are very successful design that's why .
The class 37's (RA5, 90mph) were the proverbial 'go anywhere, do anything' locomotive in much the same way as the Stanier Black Five was.
Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the 60's (RA8, 60mph) which were designed with a specific use case in mind.
@@alistairscott137 Have good route availably but plenty of issues even a slightly heavy shunt bends nose end , were plenty about like that in their day , great loco provided you don't have to repair or drive them
I saw 60093 being transported through Alsager yesterday in the direction of Crewe, I did wonder why it wasn’t just driven down the A500 if it was going to Crewe rather than down B roads and through villages. It didn’t make a lot of sense if it was going to the scrap place in Sandbach either.
It would need to cross a level crossing from the Crewe side with OLE so it’s not possible for height reasons. 👍
@@trainsplanes Do you mean the level crossing at Radway? I forgot there is a Land Recovery site just past there, is that where it was going?
@@deepsubmicronmusicYes - That’s the one 👍
spare parts ?
Fantastic Video I Wonder What’s Happening To Them
Time will tell 🤞
Thanks for the short presentation. What is the location?
60078 was seen at Uttoxeter - The others at Radway Green. 👍
@@trainsplanes 60032 was there last weekend, I got a photo
DB should never have been given any contract to operate over our network.
We broke our state railway up to allow private tenders only to be then be operated by a part German state owned company.
Their finest hour was to let millions of pounds worth of motive power to simply rot and rust away over years of neglect.
We could do with them in Sweden to drag electric trains due to so many problems with the OHLE. and passengers having to be bussed.
Those don’t look to be in very good condition (but still better than a handful of locomotives I’ve seen…)
Why the truck stop?
There’s no access on the weekends.. It’s easier to leave it in that designated lay-by rather than taking it back to Reid’s yard in Stoke.
Hopefully an Overhaul?
A full repower is more likely
@@andrewreynolds4949 yeah I jsut figured out about that stupid plan. How dare they try remove the fantastic mirlees lump and replace it with a re-engineered kettle for the 21st century
Where they off two. ? Class 57 chad vara is at Arlington on hold part of LSL colours new owner they have done 3 h s t sets a four going three ⭐️🦺👌
Do you ever read your own comment before posting or are you just illiterate ?
Going threw
They aren’t pretty!