TRESPASS or ACCEPTABLE Foot Crossing Use? LOCO WORKINGS at Water Orton with D1015 & 69009 24/06/24
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- The spotters using the foot cross between Water Orton and Coleshill Parkway got the attention of a few drivers today with the use of their horns - Is this acceptable use of a foot crossing? Put what you think in the comments section..
See a mix of loco workings passing through Water Orton including 69009 and D1015 returning back to Kidderminster SVR from the weekends gala activities at Keighley & Worth Valley Railway.
Hope you enjoy the video - Thanks for watching.
#locomotives #locos #D1015 #69009 #trespass #fgootcrossing #crossing #lineside #waterorton
Hello, Speaking as a former Train Driver I find the utter crass stupidity of those numb-nuts on the foot crossing totally unacceptable. The footage needs to be urgently passed on to the BTP before one of them gets killed and a Driver gets traumatised. They need to be made to understand that they DO NOT pratt about on or near the railway lines! 😡
Well put, as ex p way we used to get to help clear up the remains of stupid people
@jaybee1921 whether they think it was OK or not, they were lineside. When you drive trains it doesn't matter if they're on or near that crossing, you see them as on or near the line which puts the wind up you. I know this from 23 years of driving trains. Yes it was amazing to see that class 52 western but view it from a suitable place.
That behaviour can spoil it for everyone else.
Camera+tripod just inside the fence line is one thing. People should be off the Permanent Way and behind the fence when trains pass.
Putting anything in my property without my consent still trespass, regardless being human or object. Simple as that.
What on earth are those clowns doing. They are putting themselves and passengers in danger not to mention train crew. They are giving trainspotting a bad name. Keep off the permanent way!!!
Trainspotting ends when stupidity starts. So different things do not mix and even less be classed as one.
It’s a public right-of-way, so as long as they stay on it it’s not trespassing. But it’s still a safety hazard
A crossing is not to stay or stand, is to CROSS when its safe to do as the name suggests. Hope it helps.
@@spiritofcantaolisboa-p8871 Yes. It's still not trespassing, and it's still a stupid idea to stand around on the tracks
It's a crossing , not a stage for demonstrating Darwin's theories
No longer there but we used a foot crossing over the Birmingham/Coventry on the way to & from School.
There used to be, maybe still is a foot crossing across multiple lines south of Doncaster Station.
30 years + in the railway industry as a front line worker tells me these 2 are definitely 💯% trespassers - i'd even go further and say they could be flagged as potential suicide risks. They should have been flagged to either Network Rail or the local British Transport Police
I regularly use that crossing at Water Orton but appreciate the danger, I would never hang around by the line & never cross if a train is approaching
Idiotic behaviour. Perhaps you should send the footage to the BTP?
On a more positive note, the 69 & 52 make a great pairing, cast number plates and all.
Trespass. In an age where people are getting more stupid, this is becoming more of a problem. Makes me really angry, they have no thoughts whatsoever for the drivers or the people that clean up after such unfortunate accidents.
Maybe people are getting more stupid because they're never required to actually think for themselves?
I have to ask, how do you know where each train is going?? Especially the freight tubs
Traksy.
Misuse of crossing definitely. Does it necessarily constitute trespassing?
Great video - like.
foot crossing is ok aslong as they arnt on the track itself when trains are passing
Foot crossing is to CROSS not to stand, and the latter is the issue.
Yeah , then they get involved and look the wrong way .
the fact they kept walking back and forth across the active lines is not good, we used to have foot crossings near portobello junction (Wolverhampton) and it was where me and my mate used to spot trains, we used to sit on the fence and not move back and forth you think adults would know better then I did aged 12
1:55 why can’t that man just get off the track and stop walking back and forth around the track he’s gonna get himself killed if he doesn’t get off
They are inside the boundary fence and what is on known as “on or near the lone” - I’d hazard a guess as not for the purpose of work etc so that’s trespass.
This is the problem with some elements of the community where they believe they can go wherever they want whenever they want with a disregard for their safety and then moan about it when they get told off or injured etc.
just don’t do it in the first place
Nope. Thats just trespass.
This is worrying and stupid behaviour. I have no problem with people who have such hobbies but safety must come first. Stay off the permanent way and stay safe, with such a great zoom and camera they have there is no need to put themselves in such danger or encourage others to do the same. It is these actions that will get these crossings closed for use. Drivers have to report these incidents to the signaller so it will get noted and logged. There is a reason people have to have personal track safety and wear high vis... people get misted.
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868:
This prohibits passage upon or across any railway line except for the purpose of crossing the line at an authorised point. A person commits an offence by so doing after having once received warning by the railway company, their servants or agents, to desist. Up to £200 fine.
You sound like a railwayman (or was) by some words you use (PTS/Permanent way). Only people with railway knowledge would usually know:)😅
@@soulman3590 I currently work in the railway industry. I do not like to see this stupidity I get to read too many reports of injury or death. It affects so many people in a multitude of ways who have to step in when it goes wrong and live with what they have to witness.
@mightynosebleed7476 I know, I've seen it all because I was a driver for 23 years. Just called it a day recently as I didn't want to work anymore. Gave up a good, secure, well paid job but I always say, if you can afford to retire then do it as we're only here once. You in control?
@@soulman3590 Fair play matey sure retire when you can I am a fan. I am person in charge on shift, driver, shunter and maintenance. I spend most of my day making sure everyone on site goes home at the end of shift for another day being out on the ground around live lines and multiple crossings in all weathers. Nothing comes or goes without my permission and the risk is always managed but my god its so high Joe public just have no idea the risks are always out of the park. I just don't want children copying this behaviour or any kind of railway tresspass after seeing such videos.
@@soulman3590 I am unfortunatly unable to disclose that information. I watch these videos because I end up in quite a few of them but it is of course just accidental inclusion people are not trying to actively film me. I do not have a problem with people taking pictures, films or drone footage from a SAFE public area providing they are not breaking the law, quite often I wave at spotters or the public.
Rough area around there
Da fuq were they doing? Taking fuxing selfies? "And here I am on a foot crossing somewhere on the outskirts of Birmingham." That'll bring in millions of views on Tick Tock
* spell check always changes 'selfies' to 'selfish'. I find that rather amusing
No, not acceptable loitering on the foot crossing like that, they need to stand well back from the rails and do their filming and stay there between workings.
It a foot crossing I Think
I'm not the one standing at the edge of the trackside the idiots where
Absolutely stupid people who don't listen to go near a railway line especially if it a busy line from both directions for frieght and passengers train as well keep up the amazing work
He looks old enough to know better
Nice footage! Not the best of things to do
So tired of Health and Safety snowflakes trying to make the world 100% risk-free.
In Europe many stations have pedestrian access across the tracks that would make UK Jobsworths' hair stand on end.
Foot crossings are just that for crossing the line on a public right of way. They are not for hanging around on. Any filming should be confind to the public side of the fence. This behaviour could result in the closure of the crossing causing inconvenience to those with a legitimate reason to use the footpath
Darwin award candidates!
OK, anyone who follows my channel will know im a regular at all Water Orton locations and also am ex BR with track awareness. I was also there myself for an hour filming while awaiting the LE's but you dont see me in your video because i dont wander around on the crossing but remain in a place of safety. When I arrived, these two 'photographers' where on the fast line footbridge. They came over to me and were indeed wandering around as seen in video which was indeed unecessary. Please note, although i was there (check out my last upload) you never saw THREE people trackside.
I never cause drivers any concern and we always have a friendly wave and/or a toot. Im placing this fact on record as i dont wish to be associated with this behaviour. It might be of some irony to note that the one in white hat is a retired former DB driver and both were on a day visit from the North and thankfully not regulars in this area.
Water Orton is naturally a popular location for many of us and long may it be so for those of us who don't look for bad publicity or to cause concern to drivers. Some who are known personally are quite happy to see us enjoying our interest.... hopefully they appreciate we are not all as irresponsible.
Regards, Brian.👍
I agree with this, while I may not be in the water orton area, i always make sure I am a safe distance away from the track while filming at crossings
@@Transportationspotting Thankyou, it has to be admitted that although we are all 'guilty' of using these crossings we are actually trespassing. They are as others have said for the purpose of crossing the tracks in a safe manner to maintain a public right of way. We have to accept we have no right to remain between the boundaries. The BTP/NR & Drivers however appreciate we are in the main causing no harm and can often inform them of any criminal or anti social behaviour which I've also done in the past (emergency numbers should be in our phones). Sadly, its where large groups of us gather that causes concern for drivers. I prefer to be anti social and on my own but there's far too many of us to expect that. Anyway, thanks for highlighting this and let's hope it hits home.
@@Transportationspottingsame!
It's utterly stupid. Common sense isn't very common these days unfortunately. When will people realise that railways aren't a playground 🤬
Very stupid risking life to get close ups of Motive power ,Just stupid,Amazing motive power ,But as for the idiots trespassing ,This could lead to tragedy as for those drivers trying to do their job and end up hitting someone or killed themselves doesn't bare thinking about .
Whilst this is obviously a public foot crossing, it doesn't give anyone the right to stand I the middle of the railway line!
Unacceptable actions in my opinion!
hi, another case of the general public thinking they can do what they like on the railway, these sort of people will spoil it for others when the railway authorities get tough
They were not general public but photographers .... see my recent comment for more info.
Whilst I get it, why was it acceptable years ago with tens of them in the same position, now it’s very frownd upon? People are more stupid or are we believed to be in the wrong?
It’s never acceptable!
brilliant video mate! that guy or whatever they want to be called is 100 percent tresspassing and the police should give them a visit.
on a crossing? really? the one guy standing n the middle looking about is stupidity but tresspass , i think not
@@nickedwards2904Trespass. 100%. If I see them, I’ll be stopping and reporting them. Their faces will be captured on the front facing camera & the rear one too.
I don’t think it’s strictly trespass as it’s part of a public right of way however it is dangerous behaviour given the proximity to the line and the continuous walking out onto the line etc so misuse for sure
Looking at this footage, you can understand why Network rail are trying to get rid of this sort of crossing, and level road crossings
Maybe the long lens makes it look worse that it actually is?
@@andrewhotston983 big lens show the reality that many wont accept until the day of tragedy seen right in front of their eys.
I occasionally train spot on a level crossing in Sutton Park but you always stay a safe distance away like @SYKAROST.
If you stood in the bit between to tracks and two HSTs where passing you between you would you survive
Not at 70MPH !
So dangerous😮
I would sincerely hope that someone has used GSM-R to warn signallers and maybe get them some attention , seriously that is unfair to working crews and the travelling public.🤬🤬
certainly gives spotters a bad name
Definately trespass/misuse of foot crossing. Nice shot of loco move to Kiddy. Water Orton is still a great place for freight. I wish Network Rail would stop vegetation growing out of masonary.
Nice O.B. As time allows will be watching it and others in full on my big screen T.V:
People like that give people with a true interest in the railway a bad name.
They need reporting.
That is not true. People with a true interest in the railways take safety as a true matter. Unfortunatly a considerable number os "wannabes" class themselves as true enthusiasts when they have no idea what is that about for pure ignorance of the rules. That is sad.
"You give love a bad name" 🤩😆
What’s worrying is that some stupids think using a foot crossing is trespassing .
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868 prohibits "passage upon or across any railway line except for the purpose of crossing the line at an authorised point."
Since they are clearly not using the crossing **for the purpose of crossing the line**, they are trespassing
4:48 I caught these two locos at stoke works junction
The stupidity of people must never be under estimated, a foot crossing is used to cross , if you're going to face with your back to traffic there's a good chance that the largest part of you found will be your rib cage , your entrails will be scattered , wound round the axles , the skull will be peeled of flesh after being bounced about under the loco and rake . General mess and fairly funky smell . The driver will need help for quite a while . And all for a picture . How can anyone be called a rail fan when they're stupid enough to ignore simple rules .
If they are using the foot crossing to actually cross, and there is a public right of way, they are within the law. But just standing on the crossing like that, I think BTP could make a case for trespass. As others have said, clowns like these get the hobby a bad name.
Definitely looking for a Darwin award! Looks like a footpath crossing so not trespass but if you were one of the drivers it's impossible to stop even if you wanted. You have your heart in your mouth and and probably look away to one side just in case the worst happens. They are probably spotters and so know the ropes but you blow for them and can only hope!
Better education around railways maybe but all youngsters need to be aware of the dangers as in the case of an accident with several hundred tons of train they are the ones who will come off worst.
Numskulls giving the rest of us a bad name.
If it's a public footpath or byway then how's it trespass? They are within their rights to be on it even if it's for spotting
They aren't crossing. Naughty boys
In my opinion, it is fine but it should be done so you are away from the permanent way when a train passes, like stand and record by all means but stand back a bit from the track (to a safe distance for the speed of the train) when you do.
I would count what they are doing here as dangerous trespassing though
I am leaning towards Trespass, but what if they had high vis clothing and raised an arm to acknowledge the driver? Would that be classed as acceptable? Be gentle I have just taken up steam train spotting in my retirement.
No! They’ve got no right hanging about on the crossing. It’s for ‘crossing’ (the clue is in the name) not hanging about on!
Far too close to the track
Great Video Lots Off Great Workings There Also People Need To Stop Trespassing On The Railways There Known As Idiots
it was a crossing so not trespass, dont agree with standing on it looking about as you should clear it as quickly as you can but its certainly not trespass
@@nickedwards2904it is a crossing that allows the public to pass over private land, in this case very dangerous private land. It’s not an invitation to pull up a chair and have a picnic to photograph trains! Please explain what this is if not trespassing? To be inside the railway boundary fence and 3m or less from the line you need to have a personal track safety certificate, be wearing Hi Vis and no doubt a good reason to be there (ie Working). Just because it is a crossing does not make this area a public place to play. I hope the BTP were called.
@cd66061 it's a crossing so not trespass but as I said a word should be had about hanging about in the middle of it . this is exactly the same as I just stated so hopefully u understand this time around
What a pair of prats
Definitely trespassing looks like no gates or signs to walk across hope you sent this to btp
Not very sensible but it is presumably a public footpath. Are there any specific laws relating footpaths over railways? If Railtrack see it as a problem they should put in a bridge. Having said that railtrack have put in metal gates and platforms on one crossing that I use (earlswood lakes) where it used to just be boards to stop you tripping on the rails and there is no apparent gain. It has been done with modular 'scaffolding' and could maybe be extended to a bridge structure but for now is money wasted. If there were wheelchair access it would make sense but your have to climb up the embankment so there isn't.
How many times did your video show them filming one train on the far line with their back to traffic that could have been approaching on the near line? With the sound of the passing train would they have heard a warning? There's a reason why the gate line at these crossings denotes what is and isn't the place of safety.
I'd like to think drivers were reporting the presence inside the railway boundary as their train passed to the signaller. Text 61016 from yourself would be an option for future reference - 'if something doesn't look right - SiSiSo'd.
They must've misheard the term "foot crossing" as "stand there like a couple of idiots crossing." Easy mistake.
It’s a crossing for pedestrians, if it wasn’t safe presumably it wouldn’t be there, looking at the vid their appears to be good sighting distance in both directions. Perfectly safe if used properly.
They should go and stand on Water Orton Station 🙄 it's free ... crossings are not for train spotting! They are crossings end of.
Yeah footcrossings are NOT the same as platforms or bridges. Not an acceptable place to spectate trains from.
Was that Class 70 hauling 4-wheeled wagons?
That a foot crossing I live near by the area
Excellent video as always 👍
Do you have any information on who those people are?
Trespass. I use foot crossings for photos myself but I don't stand on the blasted permanent way.
Hang on. Did they cross with the 69 only yards away? Darwin candidates.....
They were trespassing!!! No excuses whatsoever!
I'm not sure how they could have been trespassing as a foot crosssing is in place. In any event, trespassing is a civil offence, in which the Police won't intervene. That said, the two people concerned are acting like idiots, so the BTP may with to investigate since they have jurisdiction over rail lines.
@@TheAshkgray sorry matey tresspass on rail network is illegal and therefore a criminal offence of which also carries a fine of £1000. It is not the same a tresspass on private property which is a a civil matter.
Section 16 Railway Regulation Act 1840:
It is an offence to wilfully trespass on any railway or premises connected therewith and to refuse to leave when asked to do so by any officer or agent of the railway company. 'Wilfulness' can be proved by the refusal to leave. The offence is punishable by a fine of up to £1000 and up to 51 weeks imprisonment if the fine is unpaid.
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868:
This prohibits passage upon or across any railway line except for the purpose of crossing the line at an authorised point. A person commits an offence by so doing after having once received warning by the railway company, their servants or agents, to desist. Up to £200 fine.
Section 55 British Transport Commission Act 1949:
This penalises trespass on railway lines or property in dangerous proximity to such lines or electrical apparatus. Evidence is required of a notice exhibited at the station nearest the place of offence providing a clear public warning not to trespass on a railway. Punishable by a fine.
55(1) any person, who shall trespass upon any of the lines of railway or sidings or in any tunnel or upon any railway embankment cutting or similar work now or hereafter belonging or leased to or worked by any of the Boards or who shall trespass upon any other lands of any of the Boards in dangerous proximity to any such lines of railway or other works or to any electrical apparatus used for or in connection with the working of the railway shall be guilty of an offence.