ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Today I continue my journey with BTS by reacting to Chapter 4 from the Rise of Bangtan. Directly after this stream, I'll be moving to Twitch to stream reactions to dance practices and some other fun surprises / jimgameslive
With the momentum of winning several Best New Artist Awards, Bangtan returns, ready to show their chops. But does that ferocity equate acceptance? Does that intensity equate success?
In Chapter 4, we take a deeper look at the way Koreans view the genre of K-Pop and how those inherent thoughts hinder the way people within their own country perceive Bangtan.
🎞Jim's Discord: / discord
🎞Jim's Twitch: / jimgameslive
🎞Jim's Patreon: www.patreon.co....
#BTS
![POLYCAT - ข้อความรูปยิ้ม [Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lBhIgPGCgbI/mqdefault.jpg)
Suga Always gives Something Back at his Birthdays to this day
Yeah, and then there are those "fans" who are selling these gifts to get $$.
From what Bang PD said, most of the rigorous practices and dieting and the rules that BTS follows are self-imposed. He gave them a lot of freedom, knowing that they were smart and ambitious enough to do whatever it took to present their best to the world. They have talked a lot about how they feel a sense of responsibility to their fans and that they want to live lives that don't betray their original character. No one has to enforce standards on these 7 men, because they are living up to their own high standards.
Yeah I remember when Jimin did that harsh diet in 2016, and how he generally practiced way too much for his body, he later told us how the managers kept advising him he should take more rests and not go on such extreme diets but it was Jimin's choice to still do so
@@noniLaus aww
Not so long ago, Bang Shi Hyuk had an interview and described his trainee system as a school. Trainees can sign up for which classes they wanna take, they get to do projects together and present, and they get access to the recording studios. Just like BTS did (more in more detail now) a new set of trainees at Bighit (or HYBE as a whole) are vlogging their days as trainees. It´s nice to see.
Bang PD started Bighit cause he was angry at the way things were in the industry. Bighit wasn´t perfect, they had some yikes moments but learned from those trials to create a better environment for their trainees.
As long as the company keeps the values they set from the beginning, they will have my respect.
Yep Bang PD was so much better than most of the other companies. Trainees do not end up with a huge bill at the end that they have to work off (for dance classes, singing classes etc) as the company writes all the training off as R& D, meaning the idols start making money from the beginning.
Plus the guys (after debut) did not have any ‘no dating clause’ or phones confiscated etc. They were allowed to grow, learn & make (minor) mistakes
@@tracybrunner863 right
100% agree
I remember watching a korean react to BTS videos and he kept saying "Are they allowed to eat that? Wow, they are allowed to eat that?" which made me so sad. The way SM runs things has really put a label on the WHOLE industry now.
Oh which channel was that?
Frfr I need answers
Omg yes..also remember that time when Wendy from SM was scared to eat an ice cream because the staff was glaring at her...
Interesting fact about BTS, all 7 members have graduated college with their bachelors degrees and are now pursuing their master's degrees. Jungkook is still pursuing his bachelor's degree right now.
The best thing about this documentary is... It shows in one, scene what k-pop industry expect their idols to be and how different BTS are from those expectation.
Namjoon said "It's hard to act happy when they are sad" and next few clips are BTS openly talking about missing their families, being sad, Hobi weeping... BTS never for once fake their emotions, all their vulnerability is out on display for everyone to see and that is exactly why people connect with BTS in such deeper level.
BH is not a perfect lebel, but they are so much better than every lebel, especially from the Big 3 lebel.
True. That’s one of the reason why fans keep saying BTS is different from other idol groups and that’s why big hit is different from other companies. The video shows they might come from the idol industry but they are different.
BTS are no longer required by their agency to diet. Whenever they do diet, it is something they enforce on their own. It's like "Ok, I have a mv shooting coming up, and I wanna look good, and this is what I have to do to look good."
I don't think they ever had a requirement to diet. From my understanding, Mr.Bang and the managers didn't ask BTS to do things like that, and would even ask members that overdid their self-imposed dieting and training requirements to rest and/or eat.
they never were. Bighit never followed those SM rules to begin with which is why BTS was able to prosper.
‘Warms my heart, but breaks my heart at the same time.’ Welcome to this Bangtan life.
11:40 if you noticed, they always seem like pouring their hearts out in their vlogs. They talk about how they feel at the moment, what disappoints them, what's making them feel sad - all this honesty and vulnerability that they've been showing since debut is what always endears them to armys. They bravely and freely show all their weakness and flaws as opposed to the persona that the kpop industry wants idols to show the public. But they've been honest and transparent since the beginning. 8 years and they never changed a bit.
BH choreographer was strict with BTS's dance practices back in the days. But now if you see behind the scene shooting of their performances... you can see even now in 2021, when their choreographer is not around BTS keep doing it until every 7 member is satisfied with their whole and individual parts... one time someone was half a second early for one single move and they re record the whole thing... they would say "it's the last take", then "it's the last last take", "it's final take", "it's the last final take"... they keep going until it is closest to perfection.
Lol I can’t wait to check them out!
@@JimGames Yes, all members are perfectioness when it comes to their performances! The latest 3Js (J-Hope, Jimin & JungKook) filming of their 1 minute video of Butter Remix feat: Megan Thee Stallion really shows how hard they work in getting it perfect. Even though the Director thought it was good, the guys reviewed the takes and wasn't satisfy it wasn't perfect, they kept on doing it over and over! Crazy funny ... crazy hard working!
yep yep. Look at the 3J's recent dance practice to Megan's rap ft. Like perfectionists all.
Please understand BTS is different from other Kpop groups and BigHit is different from other idol music companies. These first few episodes can be misleading because it makes you think BTS management follows these guidelines the other idol members from other companies are talking about, but BTS and BigHit don’t do those things. Notice how when it is said idols don’t have a lot of creative freedom, you see Namjoon and Yoongi writing lyrics, or when it says idols have phone bans or something, you see the BTS members on their phones, or how when idols say they aren’t allowed to go outside the dorm, you see Yoongi walking around freely. It can be a confusing thing for new ARMY to make note of, but PLEASE notice these differences. It is vital to how BigHit runs differently, and therefore why BTS is so different from other idol groups from the very start.
And it's part of the reason that SM via some of their artists and fan groups attacked BTS so fiercely. Even when SM allowed minimal creative freedom by a select few, like Jonghyun of SHINee, the company believed in complete control of their artists. Big Hit's philosophy was dangerous and if it succeeded could change the expectation of future musicians, similar to when the Hollywood studios lost control. Even the way the fandom is decentralized is completely different. In the past a company would select the president of a fan club who would then "guide" the club members in the way the company wanted. That's how the Exo fans were encouraged to attack BTS and ARMY. SM played the Exo-Ls like a violin. Even though the two groups like and respect each other, the company had an agenda that meant doing whatever it could to block Big Hit. SM represents various industry professionals, not just musical groups, that the company used as well. So when BH bypassed the traditional variety show path they were not just working free of individual biases against them but also a concerted effort by the larger companies to use those professionals signed to their agencies to stop BH. Ironically this only led to BTS creating an extremely close bond among the members who increased their determination amid the adversity.. It also resulted in BH creating the Weverse platform that more and more artists outside of BH are joining.
So did this continue when it became HYBE
@@bulletproofajimae391 yes
@Bulletproof Ajimae Wow! Thank you for the history lesson! I learned so much, and it gave me a whole new perspective on the reason BigHit decided to go independent on the variety show aspect! Do you know of any specific shows that worked with SM closely? And yes, I’ve heard of those “leaders” of the fandom that took directive from the company and passed it to the rest of the fandom!! They used to be called Masters right? I’ve been trying to find old traces of them online and such so I can see what people were talking about but I can’t find much of them. Where did you find these masters? Like, how and what platform did they use to connect to the rest of the fandom, do you know?
@@loralarson551 yes,Big Hit Music is independent label thats why BTS and TXT are free for making own music and own lyrics😊
BTS was almost a different group. When Big Hit was forming a hip hop group Bangtan boys or should be called Bangtan In 2010 the group consisted of 7 members just like now . But the members were different. it consisted of RM, Suga, J-Hope, i11evn, HunChul, Kidoh, and Supreme Boi,. When Big Hit decided to change the group from a hip hop group the an idol group the only ones who stayed were RM, SUGA AND J-HOPE, Supreme Boi stayed at Big Hit as a producer and songwriter.
Jungkook’s high school was a special high school for idols. (It has since closed down) This way teachers and classes could take into account when students had to be absent for album promotions and tailor homework packages to be sent with them, be flexible about when tests could be taken etc. Jungkook made some friends from other idol groups in high school that he is still close to today.
Actually SOPA is still up and running, their website has lots of up to date notices including one from 3 days ago congratulating the successful 2022 applicants. It was ‘Korea Arts High School’ the one that Jimin and Tae went to that was closed down in 2019, and Hamlin nearly closed this year because of a lack of freshman, people petitioned and not sure if it was because of that or not but it stayed open.
As for their crazy schedules and restrictions etc, for me it sort of mirrors the way their entire youth was feeling through schooling too - just instead of cram school they go to practice and instead of essays they gotta write lyrics etc. In a way they were able to continue to feel some of the youths trials and they considered themselves lucky that they got to dance on stage when their peers had to worry over exams. I think BTS got so big because they tried to relate to their audience, while the other bands were too busy trying to be idolised by their audience.
Also as others have said, these guys are workaholics and forced it on themselves to practice so much usually lol the company told them to take a vacation one time a few years back half of them decided to work and write during that break and after a month decided they couldn't stand being on vacation anymore then started working full time again and even wrote a song about not being able to calm their minds and relax xD
You were asking how their classmates react to them. Well when BTS was in school they were not popular yet. That school JK attended were full of idols or trainees. Nobody will take a 2nd look at someone from a small company such as BigHit. Most Koreans hate or were apathetic towards BTS at the start. Parents especially, because BTS are asking kids to stand up and "rebel". BTS' rise is primarily from its external fanbase and truly exploded only from 2017. Even today many Koreans don't give a hoot about BTS, some are persistently wishing or plotting for their downfall. I've met many Koreans in my country who simply dismiss them. And this is such a shame because BTS has done so much for their country. Yes they receive hate and racism from western entities but the prejudice they receive on their home ground is the most painful. To the Korean-ARMYs who stood against this dark wave in Korea, especially those who has supported BTS right from the start, before BTS got big, they have my biggest admiration. BTS schedule is insane. From the time they joined BigHit they only get one day off a month until 2019 where they were given 2 months off but cut it short by one month to shoot their travel reality show Bon Voyage. SM is the same as YG and other kpop labels. They are a part of the toxic kpop industry which churn out idols factory-like. Only BigHit is different and BTS grew organically outside of the industry or the media (which was controlled by the big companies).
KQ Entertainment (handling Ateez) kinda reminds me of BigHit in their earlier days. I am really happy to see more companies giving more freedom to their artists. And Psy's Pnation is also bringing out their new boy group soon and so far things are going pretty great
@@sinthia4499 It's nice that other companies are being more flexible towards idols, but the main reason kpop is called a "base less-factory like- lifeless- puppet controlled" industry is thanks to the Big 3. It's such a shame that the ones who have the influence and most power promote such toxic and unhealthy practices :(
@@sinthia4499 some parts of the Industry are indeed changing, definitely influenced by BTS and BigHit.
@@sariel8406 like yes who is gonna deny if Wooyong from Ateez isn't the biggest ARMY himself lol
ARMY will never forget the day when other fandoms and 26 COMPANIES join together, only to down play BTS! Disrespecting in their home town after all that BTS have done to their country... I cant get it! :')
Bang PD did so many things differently to other agencies. Most trainees end up with a bill at the end that they have to pay back but Big Hit doesn’t do that, they write off the expenses for dance classes, singing classes etc through accounting in R & D, meaning the idols start to make money from the beginning. Also the guys did not have as many clauses in their contracts (no dating, phones confiscated etc), especially after debut. I love that they were allowed to grow & learn etc and not be ‘ordered’ to do things.
The guys sacrificed a lot to follow this path, they acknowledge that but wouldn’t change it for the rewards it has now brought.
I think some people may have thought the ex-trainee was Supreme Boi (who ended up being a Big Hit producer) & he has said some questionable things but the guy in this video is still friends with the guys & has stated multiple times- ‘how you see the guys in videos is what they are really like, they do not change their behaviour just because the camera is rolling’. This has been stated by many artist they know them, including Psy, Jesse, Jackson Wang(Got 7) & Amber (the idol that talked about skin beaching).
I am glad you are watching these. I enjoy watching new ARMY, or soon to be ARMY, learn about their beginnings. They did such a phenomenal job creating this series. Look forward to the rest.
when i became a fan i thought a lot about the sacrifice they made to do what they do. and i have always felt that army is so strong because we want to make the sacrifices they made at least a little bit worth it. there is only so much we can do as a fan
J-hope said something once like: I sacrificed my youth for BTS. There is a lot of BTS dance practice videos out on youtube where you get to hear the song but also get to see the full choreo for the songs with things we don't get to see in the MV's. I recommend that you watch them . Just write BTS Dance practice and you will get up videos of most of their songs. I love watching them as I love their dancing and want to see all of it. I can recommend you to start with BTS - Danger dance practice.
SUGA's rap is just fire
"im just gonna be me"
that's what the song Idol is about - why I love that song so much. It's basically the conclusion of a decade long struggle with categories and stereotypes "call me whatever you want, I'm myself and I love myself" powerful message
21:53 that's why I have so much respect for BigHit/Hybe every company that wanted to be successful followed Lee Soo-Man's philosophy but the one small company that didn't and chose to focus on raw talent and personalities was the one to create the most successful artists in the world. BigHit used to be more strict in their earlier days, when they were super small and just starting out (it only makes sense, you wouldn't want to start out your career by not having restrictions for yourself to keep yourself in check) but as the years went on BigHit has given BTS the most freedom any group could ever have. They can go where they like, they don't need to keep strict diets (even though some do likely to keep their bodies fresh since their work is so labor intensive or are just in general "health nuts"), they can date, they can write songs about whatever they want, they have all kinds of musical freedom that artists that follow LSM's "rules" can't have.
I also want to point out that any bad stereotypes you've seen about the K-pop industry is most likely because of Lee Soo-Man.
You’ve got to keep in mind that when Jimin says he is an adult he is only 19. In Korea Everyone’s age changes on January 1st to the age that they will turn that year. So even though Jimin is legally an adult in Korea (20 years old) his 20th birthday will not be until October, 10 months later.
he was 18 not 19 in that clip.
18 international age, 19 korean age.
In my country you are an adult at 18 and above what are you talking about?
Don't forget to VOTE for BTS @ the American Music Awards!
The creator of this series Aneesa has had many hurdles to hump through to get these on TH-cam without being blocked. So the performances are cut up so to keep any one of the broadcasters to claim and block.
If you love their dancing you need to check out their dance practices. I would suggest when you are reacting to their videos you also react to the dance practice in the same reaction.
Just me here watching this and an BTS ad appeared 😭😭
I can't complain of this ad 🤩
My Universe performance at the AMAs🥰🥺💜
I have always liked you, but now…. Mad respect and love for you ! The fact that you won’t play the tracks they deleted is beyond admirable. That shows great integrity. Most channels would love to get their hands on those songs and scream it from the mountain tops that they have them, just for the views! You are a true ARMY.💜💜💜
SUGA IS A KITTY CAT WHO BECOMES A LION WHEN HE RAPS....SWAAAGGG!!!!hehehe
JK went to a Performance Art school, there are many Idols ans Trainees and I think when they got more popular in 2015 He Took Photos with classmates. But those schools have a Lot of Kids Like himbfrom big and smal companys
There's Cypher PT 4.there's Ddang, there's UGH... Man, you'll have fun
The two songs that I think represent Namjoon's "search for self" are definitely "Persona " & "Do you"(that one is from his solo work.)
SO GOOD.💜
That 'guy' who was too dark is the gorgeous, talented and amazingly awesome Amber Liu! Love love love her! Check out her group stuff as a member of f(x), or her solo work too
Sorry about that. I truly meant no disrespect. I'll be sure to check her out. Thank you for the clarification.
@@JimGames oh, no.. Didn't mean it in a nasty way at all. Any attention for Amber is good attention. She is such a character and is genuinely awesome. Worth checking out. She has a YT channel too
They have dance practices if you want to see them all dance in just one shot without the cutting from member to member
I’m bisexual and came out in the very early 70’s. Beside the cry of “Gay and Proud”, we also said “ We are everywhere!”
for me kpop idols are not artist , untill they put some efforts in their art. they are just idols who work hard on singing , rapping and dancing. if you don't make your music or even involve in your song making process you are just a singer who sings what is given to you. i think that is what attracted me more towards bts. just in 8 years in industry and all 3 rappers have more than 100 songs under their credit either as producer, writer, composer. it shows the growth, also of 4 vocalist who keep working on songs and learning the song making process. because when someone ask them about their album and songs they actually give back the answer. and its not wrong to say that after bts sucess now many kpop agencies are giving their idols the freedom to work on music . i am not saying before bts no one was allowed to be artistic but after bts many idols are learning making process and trying to make their style of music.
SUGA is one of tbe fastest rappers in the world. His "tongue technology" is LEGENDARY!
illeven, the former BigHit trainee was one of several rappers who were in the original line up for BTS, but they had left for various reasons but mostly they didn't want to be in an idol group. (BTS was originally going to be a hip-hop group.) RM, Suga and Jhope were the only ones who remained. Some of the original mbers knew RM from his underground rap days, and some of them had a hand in talking trash about RM after leaving the group.
The members who left formed their own "group" called RockBottom, including BTS producer Supreme Boi.
RM and SUGA dealt with an identity crisis when they were young, being criticized for being in an idol group, many of their songs touch on this and how they overcame the opinions of others and their founder Bang Sihyuk helped them a lot.
yep..that is why I also love watching all their choreography practices in Bangtan TV channel
I never expected my age to make me an adult. I expected that being married or pregnant would do that magic. Mostly because my two older female cousins were treated as adults when they turned 16 and became pregnant and were then quickly married off. Needless to say, neither marriage lasted but the children did. Imagine my dismay when I married at 18 and no member of my extended family considered me adult! That marriage didn’t last either, but I had chosen wisely and we maintained a close and loving friendship until his death a few years ago. The fact that he then married my closest friend (since we were eight) and that I have always been a cherished member of his entire family (he was the eldest of seven children - lots of family), cemented our bond. Also, we had no children, but their only son is my beloved god son who also loves me from the bottom of his heart.
I agree the industry goes too far I mean... from a mental health point of view that can crush people. It is never a good idea to pressure people too much. It IS defintely going too far. I know BIG HIT is better than the rest but I still think there is room for improvements even in BIG HIT
I think you misunderstood this whole part lol. This part is actually showing how the idol industry really is and how BTS defied that process really by writing and participating in so much of the music that they have released. I think it helped so much that the rapper of BTS had background in the underground hiphop scene.
I love your reactions! I always miss the live premiere so thank you for posting this after. I appreciate your reactions! I actually didn't watch the Rise of Bangtan series (but seen the clips of it in other videos). I prefer to watch this series with you so thank you for doing this.
JK attended Seoul School of performing arts Highschool. There were a lot of idols who had graduated from there.
The school came under fire for exploration of its students, making them sing at private events and get cozy with attendees of these events. The principal of the school from that time is no longer there but he didn't go easily.
BTS fame was escalating during that time so I don't think JK had a lot of in person learning.
thank yuo so much for giving BTS a chance most people dont and just assume they are "just another boyband for hormonal teenage girls"
We actually agree with you. A lot of the rules I’m kpop are bs. I think army are aware for the most part and we are always pushing back. But weirdly a lot of fans of kpop seem very into it…
As I've said, I'm 30 years old, and I think in those 30 years the longest I've not heard my father's voice is a few days. Even when I travel, I am on the phone or whatsapp with him. When J-Hope was breaking down because of his dad's well-wishes I have no clue how long it may have been since he heard his father's voice, but I felt that. These idols do have to go without contact with parents and I cannot imagine it.
Man I love watching this series with you, I actually haven't watched it and I always wait to catch your lives on twitch or set reminders for them, you're just so well spoken and I love your insights on things. It's like watching with a friend. Wish my own friends were as receptive and open minded as you that I could share stuff like this with them. But anyway I'm glad you're on this journey, I love your reactions! 💜
What you are saying about freedom for trainees may sound ideal but for the entertainment companies, they are spending a lot of money, time and effort to find and train these young people. It's also a test to see if they can handle the high pressure. It's a highly competitive field where more groups fail than succeed.
Hey Jim,..i can't see your livestream,..but im so happy that i can still see it the next morning! Thanks again💜💜
BTS has MVs with stories but their earlier MVs have dance versions where they only dance.
And then again, they also have dance practice videos so that's awesome, too.
Kpop is seen as like the equivalent to Disney channel. So it’s not taken seriously by Koreans.
That's unfortunate
@@JimGames yeah just a few Kpop artists are "loved" by the general public, usually girlgroups. As for boygroups right now it's only BTS, but in general there were like up to 5-10 I think at most 💀 they prefer indie, trot, ballad and hip-hop artists, they don't really listen to idol music with a few exceptions like BTS, BlackPink, Twice and some one hit wonders
I love namjoon so so much.
Oh yes he's off to school and Jin the oldest was still at university studying Theatre and Drama as he was going to be an actor.
Hmmm bighit/hybe seem better than other companies but you never really know what's going on behind the scenes. But what matters to me is the fact that BTS renewed their contracts with them as the biggest group in the world, and I trust them to make decisions that are in their own best interests.
And BTS are also shareholders of HYBE now
J hopes breakdown was not about his dad’s approval. It was his birthday, and he hadn’t seen his family for a year. They sent him a video and it made him cry because he was so happy. And he missed them. The wishes his dad was sending him are typical wishes that people say to one another.
Its amazing that their early music was even better than Dynamite, Butter, Boy With Luv 💜
I read somewhere that Bighit said the most important rule is, no scandals. You don’t embarrass the company, or yourselves.
LOVE THE WAY YOU ARE REACTING. GREAT JOB. YOU FILL MY DAY.
Thank you for the reaction. Just a quick note, the person that commented about her skin being too dark is not a guy as you said at 22:10. Her name is Amber Liu, a female rapper and singer.
😔 whoops.
Like all your reactions I enjoyed this one. J Hope breaking down makes my heart break for him every time I see it. From the beginning BTS have been open and honest about their feelings and emotions. They come from such an authentic place, yet another reason l’m ARMY. Nothing fake about our boys! I’m excited to see your reaction to American Hustle Life, LOL. Some parts are cringy, but it was definitely educational. Oh, and there are 4 Cyphers. The 4th one is more mature in its response, but my favorite is #3 because Suga goes OFF. Can’t wait for you to react! Keep up the great work!
I actually haven't watched these series by my own, but I'm enjoying watching them with you.
And yeah, before bts, idols are expected tbe pristine,, but in their earlier albums, bts sometimes swears in their songs lol (in cyphers, bc..well they were cyphers directed at their haters)
So far, there are 4 cyphers in total. But there are other rapline unit songs too.
Trivia: Namjoon's resolve of not categorising himself into idol vs rapper vs artist - is embodied in his song "Do You" from his solo mixtape "RM",, and later revisited in BTS' 2018 title track "Idol".
Just sthg to keep in the back of your mind as you go along the album timeline/ series.
I am enjoying your reactions so much. Thank you, If I may, I'd like to recommend an old RM song that could maybe help you to understand what he was feeling at that time, how this identity conflict was tearing him apart. It's called 'Too much' - a very honest and raw track. I love listening to it in winter.
I AGREE THAT mr lee from SM started it all the kpop recipe but along the way it really became more of a negative than positive. the IDOLS ARE SO TALENTED. I read somewhere about the HIERARCHY.in HALLYU..its a good thing that visionaries like Bang PD of bighit, PSY of PNATION giving their artists freedom in making their music heard...there are still rules....but atleast they are respected as ARTISTS
There's cypher pt 4 there's ugh,tear,ddaeng etc can't wait for you to react to their songs, the rapliners and also their solo songs you won't be disappointed💜
I am so glad you are doing this and reacting to their music in sequence as well. I am loving taking this journey with you. Thank you.
i dont know how many times I watched this documentary because of some reactioner . But you're the one I always waiting..Thanks for a great and genuine reaction Jim.
BTS have an ongoing reality show right now called "In The Soop" (In The Forest), it's just BTS having a vacation, normally they have a week vacation like the one on Bon Voyage or the last season of In The Soop, but this season they only have 4 days due to their tight schedule.. in "In The Soop", their company basically spoils them providing them anything they want to do (sports & toys) and whatever they want to eat/cook (they deserve it tho, they've been working hard nonstop and BTS and ARMY call "In The Soop" as healing), when they eat, they don't hold back, it also makes you hungry watching them eat, for real... they only go on diet when they decided to do so.. like Jungkook on their Butter music video, he said he only drink water for 5 days before shooting the MV, i bet no one told him to do that, or RM during their photoshoot for Butter and Permission to Dance, he said he was only eating salad to look good for the photoshoot... we also love to see them eat cause they always feed each other, it's so wholesome
BTS don't have a *bit* more freedom, they have a *lot* more freedom. Even at the beginning they weren't controlled as much as the other companies control their trainees, but now in 2021 they have even more freedom. Full creative freedom for their albums and their solo works, they can release solo songs whenever they want to however they want to (they decide if they want it on spotify or just soundcloud/youtube, etc). They are never forced to diet, it's a personal decision if they do now. But also if you watch run BTS, bon voyage, in the soop etc you will see that they eat a lot of whatever food they want (junk food included), it isn't controlled or monitored or anything. They just decide what's best for them. They don't have dating bans, they just don't date publicly (mostly because of crazy fans and for their own privacy and safety), etc. They're vulnerable with us, sing and talk about their flaws and fears, they have the freedom to be honest and not perfect unlike the other companies showed in this series. Obviously BIghit isn't perfect, no company can be, but BTS are in a very good situation compared to a lot of other artists, they have a lot of freedom 😊
SM, in my personal opinion, is the epitome of what I don’t like about kpop. Very few artists have any creative freedom, and those have been there for many many years. Big Hit really value the artist contribution and seem to have this attitude that they want to train artists, give them what they need to thrive.
Thank you for your reactions Jim💜 always so authentic and on point! I truly enjoy this journey so much! Looking forward to more videos from you💜🤗
I love the BTS so much💜💜💜
Bighit entertainment is different
Bighits success proved that freedoms the best route,and newer companies are following suite. PSY has his own label, P-NATION, and they are known to treat their idols well. KQ entertainments another great company. DR music treats idols well too, and they debuted the first black and Latina idols. They are about to debut an Indian girl too( she’s told to have great potential). SM is on the decline( they got so much issues,racism,cultural appropriation, fked up trainee system). JYP is changing for the positive. YGs done for once black pink leaves.
can't wait for you to see cypher 4...it's my favorite. It's so funky and catchy. I just love it.
Hi i am an ARMY from Portugal and i am loving to watch you becoming armt to. Cant waith for chapter 5....👍
Please keep in mind when you hear the horrible stories of kpop companies that is NOT Bighit or BTS. They have never been forced to diet, they haven’t had plastic surgery, they haven’t been told they can’t date etc. Bighit worked hard to differentiate themselves from all those companies. That’s why I don’t like this series you’re watching. It may confuse you into thinking BTS is part of that when they’re not. Their company treats them like royalty. They work hard but get treated extremely well and now after the IPO they own part of the company. BangPD gave them a portion of his personal shares worth millions to each member.
Actually the comparisons are quite obvious. The only way anyone would miss that is if they are not paying attention at all to what they're watching.
@@EvieKng to people who don’t know about the kpop industry it’s not obvious at all. Especially when he sounds like sometimes he believes BTS is being treated like other groups are. He certainly doesn’t sound confident that he can tell their treatment apart.
Cypher part 3 and 4 are the best ones :)
Thank you James , so excited to watch this with you!
Love love love your reactions on these documentaries, Jim ❤️ Keep going!
That guy B free went to jail last year and when he got out this year he wanted to grab some McDonald’s just to see the BTS meal commercial everywhere 😭😭, he got so mad and went on insta but the fans attacked him again
Hey Jim..since you are already exploring their music..when you are done with this series..do check out 3 official docu series- burn the stage, bring the soul & break the silence.. Also, aren't you doing deleted and Bonus content?
I will. Thanks for the tip! Yes, I'm doing the deleted scenes. So far, I'm enjoying them as much as the original episodes.
I11even underground rapper and part of daenamhyup underground rap group
Korean celebrities aren't called "idols" for nothing. Since they are put on this sort of a pedestal of fame, they have to be perfect in every aspect. Koreans also understand that those are the ones that a lot of people will be looking up to. Especially the younger fans of these celebrities, so idols need to be these perfect role models.
I so enjoy seeing you learn and react to their journey! You are thoughtful and open-minded and compassionate, which is wonderful to see. Keep it up, the next episodes get even better!
That guy I11Even - a problematic rapper. He was accepted to train at Big Hit because he was a member of the underground rap group that RM used to perform together prior to joining Big Hit. He was RM's friend. After he left Big Hit, he got involved in crime and was jailed.
It is a matter of stereotypes of beauty. But companies are not as critical of appearance as Korean fans themselves, who can criticize weight gain, long hair, skin color, tattoos, piercings, etc. They are the most critical and cruel even with their own idols
Thank you Jim, I'm enjoying this journey with you. I live in a different time zone so I hope you enjoy connecting with the Armys in Twitch 😊. Looking forward to the next chapter with you.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I heard that in the clip where RM sat down with those rapper he used to perform with(27:40), that they were talking down about RM before came into the room. I haven’t seen the full video, only piece and read some comments about it so if anyone knows more, please feel free to share below!
I don't remember exactly what they said but I do remember I didn't like what they said. They looked down on him just bc he was too toughful and compared that to being like 'a little girl'. The video should still be here or in dailymotion as 4 things show...
@@luciaas4174 Thank you, I’ll have to look for it
Rewatching this chapter again for the 2nd time before you start chapter 7 ♡💜
I'd honestly take a lot of army's comments about how Hybe is "completely different from these other companies" with a grain of salt. It's true that they seem to be better and they give their artists more freedom but they're not this perfect company that they're often painted as.
Like with the whole subject of dieting for example, there are some clips from 2013 where Jin talked about how Bang PD kept telling him that he's gained weight (and he was very skinny at the time) and in another clip he said that one of their managers called him a pig whenever he ate. That stuff obviously affected him. And I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg and that a lot went and still goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Some fans really seem to care more about idealizing and preserving the company image than about the actual wellbeing of BTS and the other artists under Hybe.
JK went to a arts performance school. was not a normal high school.
I love this series but yeah some parts can be misleading esp for non koreans or non kpop fans. Because there's no captions explaining the transitions from clips of interviews from other kpop artists to clips of bts, one would think Big Hit and the boys are also into the problematic situations of the industry. Particularly that scene when an idol was saying that the extreme restrictions could hinder an idol's creativity and then shifts to JHope talking about not being inspired to write anything. Bang PD and Big Hit never followed the formula of Lee Sooman and in fact gave the boys creative freedom from the start.
Re pristine scandal-free dols.. used to be so but not 100% the case nowadays. There're idols who made comebacks after having a previous controversy or left their groups as a result then made a solo debut.
Re education, not all idols go on to college (knew of some who chose not to & didn't get any flak for it) while some go for online degrees which are more flexible with their working schedules.
Having been a 2nd gen K-pop listener myself, it's true that Kpop back in the day was more known for catchy melodies and performances (lyrics were shallow mostly) and an idol group involved in their music production like BB is an anomaly. There're more such groups in 3rd Gen aside from BTS but still a minority than standard. Nowadays (4th gen), there're Kpop companies incorporating music production training for their trainees (based on a producer interview). I believe BTS has provided some of the impetus for it bec they have presented a case study of building up a highly loyal & dedicated fanbase resonating with the personal messages & stories in their music (wishing to incorporate some of BTS success factors otherwise why start only now rather than back in 3rd Gen)
Now you won’t find a K pop fan defend the industry however it’s not far off from other music industries especially in the US. Not every label follows the standard that SM does, they have their own way of doing things. Of course there are awful incidents of these labels mistreating their artists. So yes there is similarities to other music industries but one the biggest differences in Kpop is that there is a trainee system.
Very true!! Have you checked out bbygang’s TH-cam channel? He talks about this perfectly!
@@Jaguar470 yes I do! I had just finished reading an article he wrote on his website that went into more depth and breakdown of his most recent live where he was reacting to a twitch streamer, when I wrote this comment so it was fresh on my mind
Omg wait until persona
I love hearing your perspective on these videos, they are so much like mine💜
I always look forward to your reactions to this series.
i love your reaction!! They are my therapy literally
Jim, you should try reacting to some video essays from Elliot Sang's channel, (I'll edit this comment with some) they're really informative and maybe it will give you a new light on these matters:
"You're wrong about K-pop: a video essay" - th-cam.com/video/bn0gmu_m-os/w-d-xo.html
"The media is wrong about k-pop" - th-cam.com/video/vxj9rogBPi0/w-d-xo.html
"K-pop vs orientalism: no more than a machine" - th-cam.com/video/Gj3wQvJZHzc/w-d-xo.html
"BTS vs K-pop: a video essay" - th-cam.com/video/rBsZhHPA7t8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for your reaction 💜.