Is AMD's New Ryzen 7000 iGPU Powerful Enough For Gaming? Still Need A GPU?
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Can the Ryzen 7 7700X play AAA Games without a graphics card? Let's Find Out.
In this video, we test out all new Ryzen 7000 RDNA iGPU packing only 2Cus and a clock up to 2200MHz I was very interested to see what kind of games these integrated graphics can handle. we paired the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X with 32GB of DDR5 running at 6400Mhz
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00:00 Introduction
00:17 Overview
00:58 Video Sponsor AD Spot
02:07 No Graphics Card PC Specs
03:38 Ryzen 7000 iGPU Benchmarks
04:58 Forza Horizon 5 Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
06:08 GTA5 Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
06:33 Skyrim Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
06:56 Art Of Rally Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
07:24 Injustice 2 Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
07:46 Witcher 3 Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
08:10 God Of War Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
08:30 Elden Ring Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
08:55 cyberpunk 2077 Ryzen 7 7700X iGPU
09:19 Final Thoughts
09:38 Cup Head
09:55 Dead Cells
10:10 Minecraft
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WHat else do you want to see running on these new Integrated graphics?
Would you be able to try running Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion? Also, I can't wait to see what AMD have in mind for AM5 APUs! The 6400MHz ram is gonna help give the iGPU all the speed it needs to put all the graphics out to the monitor. I think that was the issue with iGPUs using DDR4 ram. The speed of the ram just wasn't fast enough.
Check video codec, does it support h.264 encoding, av1 decoding?
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Can you mention the real resolution when you turn on FSR in reviews please? Is "720p FSR performance" actually 640x360 being scaled up 2.0x ?
I expect AMD to release '7000G' series APUs in the future. I think they are incorporating the 2CU Graphics to allow these chips to be used in office computers by OEMs. The fact that 2CUs can do this much though shows just how potent RDNA2 is.
That and also to counter Intel i7-i9 CPUs when users need a beefy CPU but don't want a discrete GPU
can't wait for the 7700g to come out, paired with very fast ddr5 ram i imagine it will make lower end cards like the 6500xt not really needed anymore.
That's that!
I dont think there will be a 7000G
Those would likely be 8000G
I'm glad that AMD added iGPUs on most of their CPUs. At least with this, someone can build a decent PC without the need for a graphics card, and then can add a graphics card a few months later.
Yea especially if someone was waiting on Radeon 7000 ;)
A huge benefit of this is troubleshooting as well. If for some reason your gpu isn't working properly you can still get video output from the cpu to try and fix it.
@@dampintellect True, at least you would know that the issue with your Graphics Card and not have to go through the trouble of taking it to a shop to see where the issue is.
This is exactly my situation right now :D i just built my pc and didnt got enough money left for a gpu so i have to wait until the start of next month. At least still going to be able to use my computer and play some low profile games for like a week until my gpu arrives.
I always wonder why AMD never did this for the launch of 1st gen Ryzen in the first place.
What nobody mentioned but actually is REALLY helpful: All Ryzen 7000 series iGPUs have AV1 en- & decoding. You can basically use the GPU to play and the inbuilt iGPU to perform the streaming.
you'd want to encode if you're streaming not decode
@@deneguil-1618 I know. It's just the features name... If it can decode, it can encode. Never saw a GPU or iGPU that couldn't handle both. But for the sake of understanding, I will correct my statement.
@@M3dicayne RTX 3000 series can decode AV1 but can't encode 😭
@@vividas Uff. That's a shame. Didn't knew that. Even better for the iGPU, hmm?
I been using iGPU that way since i7 2700k. Its nice they added this to the mainstream CPUs but I wish they put powerful one like they did with 6800u. I guess it's better to way for the 7700g.
To people wondering why this iGPU is weaker than 5600 G and 5700 G iGPU, its because it's only meant to be used as display output if your dedicated GPU has a problem. So many people are saying in the comments that they expected a lot more, but guys wait for the G series if you plan on iGPU gaming.
It's good for people who want to build a mid range or high end gaming PC but plan to buy a discrete gpu much later, 5700 G might have better graphics but the processor part is weaker than 5600x or a 3700x but since 5600x doesn't have igpu so they have to use a placeholder gpu like gt 1030 or 710. Ryzen 7600x having a igpu eliminates that problem
@@vindicator879 5700g isn't slower than 5600x or 3700x
@@goregejones7248 Without looking it up I think they have half the L2 cache.
@@goregejones7248 the 5700G is slower than the 5600x in singlethread mate, it has half the L3 cache.
@@goregejones7248 5700G is closer to the 3700x than to the 5700x
I am very impressed with how well the igpu did. Can't wait to see what the 7600g does.
These are definitely not APUs and AMD made that point clear. This iGPU is just for basic video output which helps in troubleshooting and makes business PCs cheaper.
I hope amd makes high end apus later on, it would be nice to see powerful graphics on a desktop cpu, which would be great for small form factor pcs as it would have good performance without adding an entire graphics card into it, which wouldn’t be able to fit
@@Kazim28 Zen 4 is pretty power hungry but I wouldn't mind seeing Zen 3+ with RDNA3. It's not like Zen 3(+) is slow. We'll have to wait and see how Zen 4 mobile APUs perform.
My gosh guys if you are building a mini PC just get an mx550 or gtx1650 at least it whoops APUs ass in games
Many new handhelds (Mendocino) also have 2cu of rdna2. This video shows what similar performance those devices will get
@@Kazim28 they will, and they will probably do very well im assuming
I think it's really handy to have igp on board for trouble shooting. You can pull your graphics card and see if the board, cpu, power supply, memory all work.
This says a lot for RDNA2. Only 2 CUs and not totally terrible.
You still have bandwidth limitations to consider, we don't know how well the design will scale with more compute units.
@@SweBeach2023 Just look at 6800U with 12CUs
It performs as well as a 2000/3000 vega 8. Don't know if that's good or not considering it came out 3 years ago.
@@oo--7714 apu 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 has 6 to 12 CU.
This CPU only has 2 CU because it's not an apu it's meant to be build with an dGPU.
The Mobile 7000 series are the ones to actually watch out for since the 6000 series are confirmed to do great.
I cant Wait, RDNA3?
I'm sure there will be 7000G chips coming as well. AMD said they still plan on having the "APU" line even though they're all technically APUs
@@ETAPRIME with current rumors saying 12 CU for up to 2.6 - 3 GHz igpu clock for the HS series, it would be a beast.
@@jakestocker4854 Imagine an APU with 32MB 3DVcache. Give it 8 RDNA2-3 cores.
@@justinpatterson5291 right? That would be amazing. With the advancements AMD had made on APUs I could definitely see them going there eventually.
It's pretty much a whole market/niche that they dominate.
It's interesting how these chippies with just 2 compute units for graphics are still producing half the synthetic performance. A quarter the sand but half the performance looks very impressive from a technical point of view. I hope this means that the 8 (or more) CU APUs will be between 25 and 50% faster in graphics alone when compared with Vega 8.
well,That''s what happen with 6800H
The Steam Deck has 8 CU's, you can get an idea of how well an 8 CU APU performs by looking up Steam Deck performance figures. I own one myself, and i have been able to play and modern title verified to work with the Steam Deck.
Another really interesting tests. Thank you
I'm interested on how far you can overclock it. From other 6nm RDNA2 I imagine at least 3ghz should be possible, and as I imagine it isn't bottlenecked by memory, it would mean almost 50% boost in speed. I would also like to see how it runs on cheaper memory, like 5600MHz, and on linux, for both proton and emulators.
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God, that intro is sooooo chill. 🏆
Thanks ETA for making this video. I was pondering about installing two gpus in my new 7950x linux system to pass through a gpu to my VM's and now I see I won't have to. I can just use the built in igpu on the host for just basic desktop usage, damn Muta corrupted me on VM's and security.
Was waiting for this ❤️
Thanks the review!
Wish the motherboards and DDR5 didn't cost an arm and a leg.
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impressive! if with just 2 graphics engines you can do that, imagine when the most powerful APUS will be released?It will displace many input video cards!😱
Thank you for your effort ❤️
Great to see you tested this, it was one of the things I was really looking forward to.
Too bad you didn't have a 2200G or 2400G, would have loved to see a versus against AMD's first Ryzen APUs. From what I can tell, the measly little 128 RDNA2 stream processors in these chips are roughly equal to the 2200G (and the UHD Intel ones in their modern CPUs... when their druvers work) and faster than their old entry level 3000G and such ones. Overall not to bad, considering what it is.
BTW looks like for desktop (AM5), we'll have to wait for Q3 2023 for a direct succesor to 5700G and the likes. By the looks of it, it will be Phoenix Point/RDNA3/Zen4 based, so skipping Rembrandt.
The thumbnail is great! 👍
These igpus are located in the io die so they very small . (And it's 6nm not 5) APUs are monolithic and big portion of the die is dedicated to the gpu
Thanks ETA. havent seen one of your videos for a while since I stopped doing Raspberry pi builds. This is exactly what I wanted to know. Im planning on getting a ryzen 7k build, but waiting until the gpu prices stabilize and wanted to know if I could still play a few of my games. Looks like im going to be fine. I mostly run android emulators.
this is the vid i was waiting for
RDNA2 APU's are going to be monsters man this is only 2CU should tune with Hydra and see the results
It's great that you included other scores for comparison!
Those who use GPU-Passthrough sure will love these new CPUs also.
It's the reason I went with the 5600G over the 5600X actually.
amd is in good hands ngl
Why? Is that because you save more power like that?
@@KOSMANIA11 Rather not but there are plenty of Linux users who no longer want Windows to run natively on their PCs.
Plus KVM/Xen can fake TPM2.0 towards Windows 11, so even if the hardware officially does not support Windows 11, it will run fine inside the KVM.
I actually like the sponsored ad here. Thanks.
I was looking for this review and couldn't find any from other tech reviewers.
Impressive performance for only 2CUs, about twice the performance per CU as previous AMD IGPs. I wasn't expecting anything to be playable.
An RDNA2 APU might just be the core of my next build. Really impressive performance here for just 2 CU’s.
just wait for a ryzen with RDNA3 igpu that's coming soon
I have to applaud AMD for adding this tiny GPU in there. Sure the performance isn't admirable in modern games, but there are A LOT of indie games and older games that would run great on it. I'm thinking Source or Unreal Engine 3-based games like TF2, L4D2, Dota, Batman Arkham City, Enslaved, Dishonored, Bioshock-series etc. AND of course the massive amount of great indie games that are out there. If I didn't have a GPU or was waiting to buy one, this would definitely do it for me to enjoy gaming while waiting. :)
Lot of people dont realize that mendocino handhelds, are 2cu rdna2, exactly like 7000 series desktop chips. This shows what kind of performance those handhelds could get.
Overall an interesting video. Really interesting how well 2x RDNA2 cores work.
That 5700G Night Raid score looks a little low.
I have a benchmark run on my stock 5600G (no longer own) from Dec 2022 using 2x16GB DR Micron E-Die 3200MT/s C16 @XMP timings getting 16812.
With a little CPU/iGPU OC, mild memory OC to 3266 on different (worse) 4x8GB SR SK-Hynix A or M Die (won't even POST at 3333 no matter what voltage I use) with semi-tuned timings I was able to get 18199.
nice test. it works !
wow this is great that they added this to all their GPU's.
I think one benefit of this is that you can dedicate your dedicated graphics card to a virtual machine without having to have to dedicated graphics cards or going headless on your main os. For example this would be useful for someone using Linux who wants to be able to run video games on a Windows VM.
Oh this also helps by allowing the video ports on the motherboard to be used
Hi ETA! I hope you're having a great day. I know it isn't as much your thing, but I'm mostly wondering how the encoder/ decoder is for something like Plex, or if it makes any difference for game streaming since the real gpu doesn't have to encode the stream.
Surprisingly this iGPU more stable than my old Vega 8 on Ryzen 3 2200G.
And yeah, different core and threads on processor, 4C4T vs 8C16T.
Works better than I expected
Man honestly the performance was great, I’ve used Vega and intel integrated graphics both and I can say this is the best I’ve ever seen from integrated graphics. I went discrete and never looked back lol.
Man I can't wait to see Dragon Range and Pheonix Point APUs those are going to be insane.
Basic graphics for troubleshooting, but not gaming friendly. If they go "G" series on those 7k series, it might be a good option.
As it is, a dedicated GPU is a must.
Can't wait for dragon range and phoenix for you to test . Will there be a desktop cpu equivalent release?
I wonder how much more headroom it has, have you tried curve optimiser + overclock?
You may be able to increase the vram in the bios which could help a bit with 1080p. I was able to do it on the beelink ser5 5600h with the gaming setting brings it from 512mb to 4gb. With 32gb system memory it should work just fine. I get that it's a limited igpu but I think it would be worth testing.
This is excelent for GPU passthrough
Thanks for the video this is exactly the Ryzen 7000 I plan to do a SFF build in Velka 3 , 11013 is not the best but ill take it compared to what we could get a few years ago if it emulates well then take my money. One thing could you test the USB 4/eGPU support thats the last thing I'm yet to see out there yet
Actually not too bad, I had an RX 570 4GB with my 3800X and 3D Mark was in the mid to high 4000s. I replaced it recently with an RX 6700 XT which jumped me to around the mid 12000s.
in your future bench marks like this can you do some RTS games like Supreme Commander or Zero-k. these games aren't that graphics intensive but they love good CPUs
This is actually great. I have the money for a full PC build but can't afford any GPU. At least I can still surf the web and watch videos while saving up for a 4070
So for playing with old games and emulation it works really well. That's good enough for me ☺️
Considering it doesn't have a proper drive, it runs way better than i expected.
I don't understand why nearly every ETA Prime video has a thumbnail and then it gets swapped. It's so confusing.
I see you have your three slots open ready for the 4090 good man
This is great for people building AMD-based office machines too. Before, youd have to buy something like an Nvidia 1030 or RX 550 to get low end graphics output without external power. Or get a Ryzen G series, which was usually based on previous gen architecture. And while the G series iGPUs were great, this lets you focus on that CPU for productivity and office use.
What are the colour output options in W11? RGB 10/12 bit /60/120hz? thanks
God of War at 720p FSR (probably 540 or 480 upscaled) in low settings between 20-30fps. This feels like my experience with Crossout back in 2019 with my NVS 2100M (basically double bandwidth Geforce 210). Still had fun though, who'd have thought that DX10.1 hardware can still game.
What's your opinion about comparing the steam deck's first party dock with the already available 3rd party docks? Do you have plans to do so?
any chance u could do a full emulation test on these curious as i cant get barely anything to run well on 5600x in rpcs3 or at least not the games i wanna play
Your TH-cam channel logo is similar to the Microsoft account robot icon that I use for my account.
Really, really curious to see a 7200G and a 7400G
I think we'll see 7x00H and miniPCs based on it first.
Dude, this is amazing for only 2CU
This is totally neat, but since I'm broke I'll keep running my HP 800 G2 with an RX6400. (Which runs all older PC games and emulators).🙂
Great for my htpc build
Wow .... Way kool !!!
This makes me wonder though if they had put 6CU would it have been enough for 1080p gaming ? RDNA2 still seems capable
I think the iGPU probably will be used as a support processor when using AMD FSR with AMD graphic cards..in the future when AMD made it available via software updates..since AMD themselves said it wasn’t meant to be used for gaming by itself..
Hey! You think you could put overwatch 2 in some of your benchmarks? It's free to play
It's funny to see this kind of "not meant for gaming" iGPU to performe like this, i remember playing Batman Arkham Origins 720p30 on intel HD 4600 iGPU and back then i was amazed that it can actualy run this game, and now you can even play Forza Horizon 5 on this little AMD iGPU
even when you factor in that it's not designed for gaming, it's still good that the CPUs have an igpu, considering the shortage we had to deal with for the last two years lol
Even if it's not for gaming, man! It runs pretty well. Amd impresses me everytime
So 4CU's of RDNA2 DDR5 will beat everything the 5700G with DDR4 can throw. Quite impressive for DDR5.
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I have this CPU, and I'm wondering what this iGPU is equivalent to for an Nvidia Geforce card.
That is cool that AMD has added iGPU's to all their chips.
You can get a windows key online for under 5$ elsewhere
Would the iGPU be good enough to run on a Philipps 49" 5k screen (for office tasks)?
Those desktop CPUs only have a token iGPU in it. I am hoping for the new mobile variants.
Did you try overcloking? i heard it can reach 3Ghz whiout too much issue. Anyway, its not only the 2CUs, it also has minimal L2 cache compared to the Steam Deck or Rembrandt APUs. Im petty sure this is only intended in order to have full USB C spec on the motherboard.
Did you download adrenaline to run games on the cpu ?
Surprising performance honestly given it's only two CUs. I'd say around GT 730 tier? Though it's looking a bit weaker than Intel's current IGPUs.
Yea, I'd be happy if my computer had this kind of performance 😆
But I'll probably wait for some more chips to show up (Raptor lake, Zen4 3D, Zen4 APUs and stuff) and maybe I'll even get enough money by that time to upgrade 😄
More like a RX550.
Wow that's crazy just 2 cu and j can already run games dam just shows the power of rdna 2 such low power . IPC definitely improved per watt there's amazing . Now we need a 11 cu version and a 8 cu versions in a 6core APU just watch will be best seller on budget.
hey man i'm building a pc without a gpu for now imma save a lil for a good one , my cpu gon be 7600x will the igpu work out the box when turn the pc on first time to install windows?
Now do 12 CUs by reducing featur set of the client IO die (PCIE 3.0, USB 3.1, limited storage etc)
It's still beast reminds with 2 CUs only. If only AMD Video encoder as good as Intel Xe / NVENC, I think it would be absolute horrific killer to Intel and NVIDIA.
and I am just here waiting for an AMD APU with the latest RDNA... crossing my fingers... to eternity? hahaha
Damn, I'm honestly suprised the fire strike one is similar to my 3500u, but the intel i3 1215u one is double the performance. (mendiceno laptops will probably be worse considering computers run at such a higher wattage)
The Mendicino chips really aren't meant for gaming. Honestly a bit sad ngl. Even the best case scenarios look quite grim.
What about using software render on a 7950x for emulation? Can It work?
Skyrim 1080p was impressive
Probably just for debugging and diagnosis without the need of dGPU. Definitely perfect for me.
How better would the Ryzen 9 7950X Raphael fare in comparison to the 7700X you showed here?
Thanks for the video it was a nice distraction from the day's BS. It was very cool to hear that the new processors from AMD are becoming future proof. I thought my 5600 was good for ten years. Can you stick a RX 580 in a test to see if the GPU bottlenecks? Those cards are super cheap at the moment. Thanks.
I would like to see Linux testing on that PC.
I hope they will release at least 8700G next year or after. 5700G is so insanely good even now.
Would a 7600 be able to run 2x 4k @ 60HZ for just basic computer tasks? Maybe excel and some youtube?
How does the Ryzen 7 GPUs compare to the Athlon 3000G? That GPU plays older games pretty well at 720p and even 1080p on fast DDR4 RAM.
I love my 7700X. My 1080 Ti finally has room to breathe. I'm hoping to see a 7800X3D-G or some sort of "high end" APU.
Please...
One of the reasons why I wasn't impressed with the 5600G and 5700G is that it really hampers the CPU performance vs the non-g variant because of having half the cache. And cache is what gaming is about. I never even thought about having a 3D version of the APU to get all that cache back and on a full cpu to boot. Good call. I hope it happens. They'd probably charge $800+ for it though. lol