tell me about it! Im still using a ryzen 5 1600 that i got very early after it was released, and it dosent feel like iv had it that long lol. Just starting to really show its age in cyberpunk struggling to keep 60fps in the busy places. Not to mention starfield.....My rtx 2060 isnt much more powerful but when the cpu overtakes the gpu in utilization it feels rough. Luckily my b350 gaming f should handle a later gen Ryzen maybe a 5600x or something with just a bios update
My first experience with an APU was AMD's A8 6600K back in 2014. I was blown away at the time being able to play games without a dedicated GPU. Fast forward a decade later, and these APUs are absolutely mind-boggling with their performance!
These Ryzen APUs have been amazing and keep impressing the public generation after generation. I just wish that they are able to do something about the prices in the future since getting the best integrated graphics means spending a dime too much.
More performance means more transistors. You can use em as efficienty as possible but that only gets you so far. More transistors means more chance of failure, more time, more money spent.
@@activeentropyYou could get a massive performance improvement with a heavier overclock but then it would need a new cooler. I'd be pushing more than 4 GHz on my 3.5 GHz Ryzen 3 if the cooler wasn't so limiting. And at this point I'm better off just getting a new Ryzen 5.
This is his strongest expertise!!! Everyone reviews the high end thoroughly, but this is the guy that knows the low end better than everyone else, especially since low spec left long ago
@@manuelhernandez2017 This new APU is great if someone wants to build a small (ITX or smaller) system that sips power, runs quiet, and has more than adequate power for frankly most home or office users that might also want to do some casual gaming. Give it adequate RAM (which any system needs anyway) and it is more than adequate for home video editing, photo editing/management, music work (system silence is golden for that), podcast recording - you name it. Sure, a lower price would be nice, but there is also a value to the simplicity of a system built around an 8700G. I build the occasional computer and help people with their system problems. If someone came to me wanting a "gets the job done without eating the desktop or electric bill" system, the toughest question might be "what's the coolest case to put this in?"
I love these APUs, and I always have a 2200G floating around in my workspace for testing, messing around on, etc., but it’s kind of a shame that AMD has shifted their marketing mentality for these APUs. It used to be that APUs were cost effective solutions for users that couldn’t really afford a dedicated GPU but now it’s shifted to being a higher end CPU for those chasing better performance for smaller form factor and itx builds which already incur a premium. You can see evidence of this in their current 8000 series stack. Look at how gimped the 8600G and 8500G are in comparison to the 8700G.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the 8000 series APUs. It’s not 2020 when APUs were for the poors, these things are now for people chasing SFF like myself. This thing has impressive work environment capabilities while also offering a positive leisure gaming experience. If you travel for work, or maybe want something you can bring to in-laws, all you need is this an a portable Usbc monitor. No hassle of removing a GPU for transport or dealing with a heavy, bulky, Micro ATX build. InWin offers some cases with very small built in Gold rated PSUs and they pair very well with an APU like this if anyone is interested.
The 3040 (official called 3050 6Gb) is there in Low Profile version and is faster? A low profile Micro ATX build doesn't have to be bulky and is more upgradeable than the miniPCcrap. And most important it delivers a lot more for the same money especially if you AM4 instead of the pricey AM5 platform.
Seems like a very niche market. There are great pre-built SFF PCs out there using mobile chips which makes more sense. And personally if I wanted a portable PC, I'd rather buy a laptop.
I really like that you included overclocking numbers! I think this is very helpful and honestly, anyone buying this for gaming would probably want to overclock the igpu and get any extra performance that they can.
APUs have come a long way. Still remember how disappointed I was with my 2400G when I bought it in 2018. Got myself a RX 570 as soon as I could and a 2700X in 2021 because I was not pleased at all with the APU. It sucked both in CPU and GPU performance and was a bottleneck even for the RX 570 which I actually have to this day. As always, great video!
APUs (especially 2200G/3200G) were meant to fill budget gaming for 720p mostly, same as these new ones. The only difference is price and alternatives. 2400G/3400G already had pricing issue at 150$ because an i3 and used rx570 were offering much better performance for same amount of money. In my opinion, APUs have degraded and have no real purpose. 5600G was a bad deal even during mining because an i3 (~100) and used rx570 (~150) were still a better choice and it is still a bad deal now. On top of it, all Zen4 CPUs have iGP for display out purposes which makes AM5 APUs even more pointless. Maximum price for gaming APU should be 150$ to make sense with this level of iGP performance, especially when we consider that CPU side is "crippled".
Thanks, from watching your videos I fixed the graphics issue on my desktop. All I did was take out the GeForce 710, blew off the dust, cleaned off the heatsink compound with IPA and applied fresh. Its like a new machine.I know its a rubbish board, but it does what I want, I-m not into gaming in any way!
With consoles being so expensive now $600 series x black edition and the $700 ps5 pro this could be an option for cheap gaming you can even run xbox game pass cloud gaming on this thing.
Seems like about five years ago I bought a new AMD K6 200MHz chip, only to have the K6-2's get released while UPS was bringing it to my house, and the value of the chip I had just bought dropped by half. Of course, that was more like 25 years ago, but then, I'm old.
When nearing the max limit of DDR5 memory speed, these iGPUs can be properly utilized. If only AMD had the cheaper options using 780M/760M instead of 740M so their price could be more competitive with dedicated. Maybe if they could make these iGPUs chiplet like the 610M it could be possible to see them in cheaper options.
I can't believe it, an APU that can in fact answer the classic gaming question, "but can it run Crysis?". Technology! Fun to just think of how far tech has gone. Honestly, generally impressive performance across the board for what it is.
Please add more fighting games in your test. Like tekken 8 and SF6. We are a big fighters community and we love so much your channel. Please do it for us.
so happy when you upload + your videos must be good, it's the only pc content my girlfriend you watch. She refers to you as the 'minecraft laptop' guy lol
Maybe as info you can get more fps if you set a higher dedicated portion of your RAM as dedicated VRAM for the igpu in Bios, should definitly deal with all kinds of small hiccups in games. Makes most games more stable, and pulls up the 1% lows
@psi4262 I would recommend to set at least 8gb RAM dedicated to the integrated GPU, but more is better for more demanding games... But I think 8 or 12 GB is a very save bet. Should bring up the 1% lows and also some higher average FPS. Also ram speed matters a lot for igpu gaming.
@@dualpapayas i was thinking of getting 8700g.. i want am5 cpu in that range, what would be the best buy can you recommend me .. main usage is music production and little bit of gaming too
Impressive chip, but I'm having a hard time finding a use case for it, considering it needs an expensive AM5 motherboard and high speed DDR5 RAM to shine. It's now possible to build a tiny SFF system in a teeny tiny 4 litre case with a discrete RTX 4060 low profile graphics card + a cheap AM4 or Intel CPU which would blow this APU away in gaming performance at any resolution, offer more features and cost about the same.
It's best for work/school/travel use case in a MFF case for someone who doesn't play heavy games. For the motherboard it doesn't even need pci-e gen 5 one and a basic B650 with 2 ram slots is enough and the best. Pretty sure some mboard manufacturers will make cheaper AM5 mboards with pci-e gen 4 only, just like they did with AM4. And yes in heavy games it can't compare with a dgpu, but for multitasking and cpu power beats them all 4 and 6 core cpus, and btw do you really need 100+ fps for casual gaming where 60 is enough!
The fact that this runs faster than my old RX 560 2gb is insane to me. I could barely even scratch 40 fps on Battlefield V and this thing plays it like a dream.
The question with APUs getting powerful, is if it have better latency in competitive games compared to using GPU... Though looking at these framerate numbers in CS2, it doesn't seem to be at that level yet.
I am so glad that AMD finally made a new generation APU with RDNA3. I'm really tempted to save up and build a tiny ITX system with a PicoPSU to replace my current ITX 5600+3060 Ti system. It's only a living room casual system so size is definitely a factor in the system build.
I've recommended a couple build options for some friends, the 8700G is $100 US cheaper than the other one, has a better upgrade path, but you have to put up with low graphics settings if you want decent frame rates until you add a GPU, and the other doesn't have as much of an upgrade path, but can do 1440p high settings at 60+ fps in almost any game. It's just a matter of do you want it all now, or can you wait.
i know this is old but you can replace the thermal paste on the die with liquid metal the cpu is not soldered i have done this on mine as its in a sff case and the temps dropped around 15c under load for me. this might get you some more performance out of it with out hitting thermal limits
It looks like this APU is constantly power limited by 87W and it makes the GPU clock fluctuating all over the place, I wonder if performance would be a bit higher if the power limit was higher.
It's not. AM5 goes all the way up to 170W with a PPT of 230. As long as you can keep the chip cool and stable, its wattage won't be an issue.@@Droon_Jadhav
recently just upgraded to 4600G from 3200G, i only play e sports game mostly and maan the jump in perfomance is crazy! 6c/12t with vega APU, cant imagine running with 8000 series, must be Crazzzzzzzzy
The fact that you can get 60 fps even on low/med settings in games like the witcher 3 on an apu is amazing. Gamers on a very tight budget have pretty decent options now.
This is a game changer. Now Intel will be forced to improve the iGPU in their lineups so this is only going to get better now.. Also I just had a thought 💭 I'm wondering what if they start making DDR 5 memory as double sided ram but 1 side is system ram and the other side is GDDR 6 Vram specifically for APU systems so you can have actual graphics ram and not the slower system ram and it would also not allocate the system ram meaning you don't need a 32gb kit a 16gb X 8gb kit would be perfect 16gb system and 8gb Vram on 2 sticks and would not take up any more space than the normal ram would..
@@muktakumari2381 its OEM only so we'd have to wait until some of them slip on the chinese ebay market or they become available in prebuilts to get one
I wonder if and when AMD will be able to get 3D V-Cache working with their iGPUs, or an L4 cache like with Iris. I can't be the only person who doesn't understand why AMD hasn't put the 780M with a lower-spec CPU either.
Ok, so this makes this a lot more capable than I expected. I can't say I would buy one personally, but it would make a heck of a console replacement PC. I may be behind the curve a generation or 2 (sometimes more) when it comes to PCs personally, I tend to get mid-range to high end depending on what is available. I went from an used Intel i5 3570K to an used AMD Ryzen 5 1600X in 2019. I now have a brand new AMD Ryzen 5600X I bought as the price dropped to $156.00. This has become, yet again, an interesting time in computing. And it is nice to see APUs come as far as they have and being taken more seriously. However, I rather not have both a CPU and GPU that are limiting each other's potential while being further limited by sharing system RAM. That is one thing where the consoles do have the advantage, just sharing faster graphics RAM between the CPU and GPU, but lacking the GPU horsepower to fully take advantage.
This is a decent CPU for productivity, with gaming capability as a bonus. A great solution for a small Mini-ITX system that's primarily going to be used for work.
The 780m in the 8700g should be around 1650/1060 6GB levels of performance, the 2060 is considereably faster. I'd be intrigued if you found some benchmarks that showed this, as 2060 levels of performance would be quite remarkable!
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Nope, it is sightly worse at all than 580 8gb with high clocks
Honestly it would be nice for this to be cheaper, but considering it is the best igpu money can buy..its pretty good. For example, people still regularly buy smart phones north of $1000 just to scoll Facebook and watch TH-cam. Something to consider for sure.
@@revialle5434 "Those people" don't build PCs. They buy $3500 macs and buy consoles for gaming thinking God of War Ragnarök is the greatest game ever made. I know because I've met them.
Always prefered the 'x600' model apus overclocked, my first was a8 5600k, great fun to tweak and thats where the value was if you could get near the top model. Great review btw.
This APU should only ever be tested and used with the supplied cooler, it makes no sense to purchase a separate cooler at this price point. I understand that the AIO used was sent but an accurate setup would have been to only use the supplied cooler.
Would it be possible to run these games at PS4 equivalent settings and framerrates to understand if for example the 8600G can match a PS4 GPU wise? I'd like to see how much IQ can be pushed on these chips when locking at 1080p 30 fps in AAA games.
Getting this chip probably tomorrow, using the 780M while saving up for a future 5070 or 5080 super :) Any pointers to OC the G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5? I've got some tighter subtimings already.
I gamed past 7 years on a laptop with Ryzen 2500u and 8gh ram; cost me about 300$ back in 2017. Slightly disappointed the the x500 series of CPUs didn't get major iGPU upgrades.
just a quick note that the ram oc would of been desynced from the memory controller reducing performance instead of increasing it, though with the Igpu clock increase it seems to not care. if you ran 6400 1:1 with the easy Ryzen 7000 timings from buildzoid you'd see a much bigger performance uplift for not a whole lot of work. NOTE: its only usable with Hynix A die memory chips.
Would you ever consider looking at budget gaming laptops? I just got a HP Victus with an RTX 4060, i5 13500 with 16gb RAM (upgradeable) for 700 dollars from my local Target, a Wal-Mart like store in America. I am able to run games like Read Dead 2 in 4K ultra with DLSS in Quality at perfect 60 frames and my device isn't even an inch thick. The thermals also never reach over 70c even during max load and I think it would be an awesome little showcase for your channel and fit right into budget builds if you can find one as I have. I am finding mobile GPUs to be more impressive than desktops when it comes to pricing now a days and the performance you can get for them.
That's very good performance from iGPU! But Cyberpunk with RT at 30FPS? I wouldn't put my money on it and here is surprise. Just wondering, how it would compare to RTX 2060 as even Quake 2 RTX gave this card a sweat... Great video
Why is the IHS so weird looking on these new AMD CPUs...? Also that iGPU is insane. I know userbenchmark isn't entirely reliable but on there the 780M falls somewhere between the 1050ti and 1060 which were fairly capable GPUs a few years ago for casual gaming. Who knows where these fancy APUs might be in a few more years.
Finally, proper RAM! THANK YOU! Retest 8500G 2x8 6000 cl36 vs 2x16 CL34 6400? Would be good content. If you need any help with ram overclocking feel free to reach me, just reply in the comments. When you go beyond 6400Mhz the motherboard will switch the memory controller to 2:1 mode, it lowers performance. With manual overclock you can go arround 7600 stable.
They should've gave the 8600G the 780m as well, would have been perfect, i really don't understand the point of this APU, it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers or something.
1) "They should've gave the 8600G the 780m" If the 6core got the full 780m graphics pretty much nobody would buy the 8700g because people buy mostly for the iGPU and not the extra 2 cores, its an upsell thing the industry does because they're not a charity. 2) "it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers" So like all the OEM's using the 7940hs... 7840hs... 7840s and 7640hs APU's (with this same Phoenix die) for about a year now to build mini PC's?
This thing in a Beelink or Minisforum Mini-PC would be most excellent. GPU-wise you've got something that is probably on par in most respects with a 6500 XT or a GTX 1660 directly on the CPU die itself, which are both more than good enough for casual gaming.
Could you make a video on AIO mounting. I feel like your setup with this could cause premature failure with the top of the rad and pump appraring to be close to level. Ive only installed one so dont take this as a you messed up thing. I genuinely want to know the best positions for those things lol
The memory timing is a better option before increasing clocks as you will see more of an improvement. I was confused as to why at 7800 I was getting worse score than 6400 and barely better than 6000 when I tried faster RAM on mine. Turns out it as down to timings more than speed, which I know sounds odd after the DDR3 and 4 APUs but it seems it is the case. Mind you a bit of both works nicely, and I have now managed to get mine running quite nicely at 8200 with some tighter timings and got the boost I expected to see. If its Samsung ram, you could try the 6400 pre-set for it in the bios and then ramp up the clocks, as that's what I did with my 6000 kit and I managed to hit 7000 with a bit of a voltage increase, the max default restricted one of 1.425 or 1.435 or whatever it was was to play it safe. On hynix kit mind you I had to do a bit more manual tweaking and so became friends with the clr cmos and USB settings save option :D
is AMD going to do Hybrid graphics again ? You should do a review on hybrid graphics :) Like tell us which motherbaords support it and how the play games with it on and off. And test which grpahics cards work. Seems like lots of them don't I have GF8200A with NVIDIA 8200 can hybrid with 8000's cards and 9800's cards and the 250, 280 GTX i think as well.
This little bugger is amazing, but it is hard to convince myself to sell to a friend who isn't tech savvy, as I would hate to tell them they have to go through and flip a lot of settings to get good performance.
Eta prime a TH-cam channel overclocked the integrated igpu Radeon m780 with MSI b 650 itx and 7400mhz ddr5, and the results are crazy you could play with 1080 high preset and 1440p too. 🎉😮
The funny thing is i have an New AMD A4 Still in his Box and Sealed.. As well other CPUs i Collect them when ever i find it for a bargain Price. The most are New and in Sealed Pack. Thank you again for that Great Video.
I blink and now there's an 8000 series for Ryzen. Time goes by like crazy dawg.
Yeah it’s crazy
tell me about it! Im still using a ryzen 5 1600 that i got very early after it was released, and it dosent feel like iv had it that long lol. Just starting to really show its age in cyberpunk struggling to keep 60fps in the busy places. Not to mention starfield.....My rtx 2060 isnt much more powerful but when the cpu overtakes the gpu in utilization it feels rough. Luckily my b350 gaming f should handle a later gen Ryzen maybe a 5600x or something with just a bios update
My first experience with an APU was AMD's A8 6600K back in 2014. I was blown away at the time being able to play games without a dedicated GPU. Fast forward a decade later, and these APUs are absolutely mind-boggling with their performance!
Ikr? Crazy shit
8 means year so 2024 = 8000 series, 9000 will be 2025 year processors
These Ryzen APUs have been amazing and keep impressing the public generation after generation. I just wish that they are able to do something about the prices in the future since getting the best integrated graphics means spending a dime too much.
Yeah hopefully prices won’t take too long to come down
if this was like 200 that would be so nice
the 8600G is 100$ cheaper and only 10-15% worse.
If we go by 5600g, by the time ryzen 10000 come 8600g should be a great budget Apu for new commer or small built
More performance means more transistors. You can use em as efficienty as possible but that only gets you so far. More transistors means more chance of failure, more time, more money spent.
The OC performance boost may not seem too significant when looking at the fps but it's about 8% uplift which is really nice.
Add to that the fact that there was only a roughly 10% increase in clock speed it is really good.
@@activeentropyYou could get a massive performance improvement with a heavier overclock but then it would need a new cooler. I'd be pushing more than 4 GHz on my 3.5 GHz Ryzen 3 if the cooler wasn't so limiting. And at this point I'm better off just getting a new Ryzen 5.
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You are THE GUY for reviewing parts like these. No one else's review came close to you brother. THANK you for this one!!
Most useful practical review of the 8700G I have seen. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
This is his strongest expertise!!! Everyone reviews the high end thoroughly, but this is the guy that knows the low end better than everyone else, especially since low spec left long ago
@@manuelhernandez2017 This new APU is great if someone wants to build a small (ITX or smaller) system that sips power, runs quiet, and has more than adequate power for frankly most home or office users that might also want to do some casual gaming. Give it adequate RAM (which any system needs anyway) and it is more than adequate for home video editing, photo editing/management, music work (system silence is golden for that), podcast recording - you name it. Sure, a lower price would be nice, but there is also a value to the simplicity of a system built around an 8700G. I build the occasional computer and help people with their system problems. If someone came to me wanting a "gets the job done without eating the desktop or electric bill" system, the toughest question might be "what's the coolest case to put this in?"
@@guildpilotone agreed
90w is even lower than have a 42 tv turned on, like pls can it run cyberpunk 2077
Freaking monster of a cpu. I'm pretty impressed.
Holy crap, Crysis at 60fps!? I certainly did not expect that kind of punching power from this APU. Amazing, truly.
its been a year with 780m out man..
@q9mw2xz3j that might be so, but up until now I hadn't paid attention to iGPUs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@q9mw2xz3jyou are correct for mobile but not for desktop
In 3 years Crysis is gonna be 20 years old.
So you are more impressed this running over 60fps on a nearly 20 year old game, rather than it ran above 60 fps in Cyberpunk2077?
The performance of this integrated graphics is ridiculous! I am genuinely impressed
Please see 1 year worth of 780m performance.
I love these APUs, and I always have a 2200G floating around in my workspace for testing, messing around on, etc., but it’s kind of a shame that AMD has shifted their marketing mentality for these APUs. It used to be that APUs were cost effective solutions for users that couldn’t really afford a dedicated GPU but now it’s shifted to being a higher end CPU for those chasing better performance for smaller form factor and itx builds which already incur a premium. You can see evidence of this in their current 8000 series stack. Look at how gimped the 8600G and 8500G are in comparison to the 8700G.
True... If the 8500 got a 780m it would be insane.
it's gonna get better if these apus are successful. changes are always made from the top end of the budget, everywhere.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the 8000 series APUs.
It’s not 2020 when APUs were for the poors, these things are now for people chasing SFF like myself.
This thing has impressive work environment capabilities while also offering a positive leisure gaming experience.
If you travel for work, or maybe want something you can bring to in-laws, all you need is this an a portable Usbc monitor. No hassle of removing a GPU for transport or dealing with a heavy, bulky, Micro ATX build.
InWin offers some cases with very small built in Gold rated PSUs and they pair very well with an APU like this if anyone is interested.
Yeah would make a great start to a SFF PC!
The 3040 (official called 3050 6Gb) is there in Low Profile version and is faster? A low profile Micro ATX build doesn't have to be bulky and is more upgradeable than the miniPCcrap. And most important it delivers a lot more for the same money especially if you AM4 instead of the pricey AM5 platform.
Seems like a very niche market. There are great pre-built SFF PCs out there using mobile chips which makes more sense. And personally if I wanted a portable PC, I'd rather buy a laptop.
@@THU31 With the 8700G and a DDR5/AM5 build being as expensive as it is... a laptop with a 780M or 3050 won't be much more expensive neither.
Deskmini x600 is a good am5 barebone pc with external power supply, hopefully release sometime this year.
I really like that you included overclocking numbers! I think this is very helpful and honestly, anyone buying this for gaming would probably want to overclock the igpu and get any extra performance that they can.
Huge gains with the OC. IAO really came in clutch
APUs have come a long way. Still remember how disappointed I was with my 2400G when I bought it in 2018. Got myself a RX 570 as soon as I could and a 2700X in 2021 because I was not pleased at all with the APU. It sucked both in CPU and GPU performance and was a bottleneck even for the RX 570 which I actually have to this day. As always, great video!
APUs (especially 2200G/3200G) were meant to fill budget gaming for 720p mostly, same as these new ones. The only difference is price and alternatives.
2400G/3400G already had pricing issue at 150$ because an i3 and used rx570 were offering much better performance for same amount of money.
In my opinion, APUs have degraded and have no real purpose. 5600G was a bad deal even during mining because an i3 (~100) and used rx570 (~150) were still a better choice and it is still a bad deal now. On top of it, all Zen4 CPUs have iGP for display out purposes which makes AM5 APUs even more pointless.
Maximum price for gaming APU should be 150$ to make sense with this level of iGP performance, especially when we consider that CPU side is "crippled".
Is the Vram overlay during RDR2 footage glitched? 7:49
Yes seems to always be with APUs, at least when I’m testing them 😂
I remember my A4-5000m, 720p low but I´ve played Crysis 3 and Battlefield IV @ 30fps with that 45W APU.
The fact you can play AAA games, with decent settings and fps, with just a CPU is wild. Imagine what will be possible in 5 years time.
Thanks, from watching your videos I fixed the graphics issue on my desktop. All I did was take out the GeForce 710, blew off the dust, cleaned off the heatsink compound with IPA and applied fresh. Its like a new machine.I know its a rubbish board, but it does what I want, I-m not into gaming in any way!
Seeing an iGPU outdo my previous GPU is crazy
Awesome video man been watching since the og days keep it up
Keep up the great work you have been one of my fav tech tubers for years!
Thank you!
With consoles being so expensive now $600 series x black edition and the $700 ps5 pro this could be an option for cheap gaming you can even run xbox game pass cloud gaming on this thing.
With gamepass and steam boom
Seems like about five years ago I bought a new AMD K6 200MHz chip, only to have the K6-2's get released while UPS was bringing it to my house, and the value of the chip I had just bought dropped by half. Of course, that was more like 25 years ago, but then, I'm old.
Compare it with the budget card rx 6400 in ray tracing
This
Hey Steve, did you go into the BIOS and change the allocated memory for VRAM to 8 GB? If not, that might explain the odd stuttering in RDR2.
When nearing the max limit of DDR5 memory speed, these iGPUs can be properly utilized.
If only AMD had the cheaper options using 780M/760M instead of 740M so their price could be more competitive with dedicated. Maybe if they could make these iGPUs chiplet like the 610M it could be possible to see them in cheaper options.
I can't believe it, an APU that can in fact answer the classic gaming question, "but can it run Crysis?". Technology! Fun to just think of how far tech has gone.
Honestly, generally impressive performance across the board for what it is.
@@Blackfatrat it's mostly funny for the meme
before and after overclocking, what about the wattage increase ?
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Please add more fighting games in your test. Like tekken 8 and SF6.
We are a big fighters community and we love so much your channel. Please do it for us.
so happy when you upload + your videos must be good, it's the only pc content my girlfriend you watch. She refers to you as the 'minecraft laptop' guy lol
Maybe as info you can get more fps if you set a higher dedicated portion of your RAM as dedicated VRAM for the igpu in Bios, should definitly deal with all kinds of small hiccups in games. Makes most games more stable, and pulls up the 1% lows
Can we do that really.. how much mb can we use it as a vram?
@psi4262 I would recommend to set at least 8gb RAM dedicated to the integrated GPU, but more is better for more demanding games... But I think 8 or 12 GB is a very save bet. Should bring up the 1% lows and also some higher average FPS. Also ram speed matters a lot for igpu gaming.
@@dualpapayas i was thinking of getting 8700g.. i want am5 cpu in that range, what would be the best buy can you recommend me .. main usage is music production and little bit of gaming too
Impressive chip, but I'm having a hard time finding a use case for it, considering it needs an expensive AM5 motherboard and high speed DDR5 RAM to shine.
It's now possible to build a tiny SFF system in a teeny tiny 4 litre case with a discrete RTX 4060 low profile graphics card + a cheap AM4 or Intel CPU which would blow this APU away in gaming performance at any resolution, offer more features and cost about the same.
It's best for work/school/travel use case in a MFF case for someone who doesn't play heavy games. For the motherboard it doesn't even need pci-e gen 5 one and a basic B650 with 2 ram slots is enough and the best. Pretty sure some mboard manufacturers will make cheaper AM5 mboards with pci-e gen 4 only, just like they did with AM4. And yes in heavy games it can't compare with a dgpu, but for multitasking and cpu power beats them all 4 and 6 core cpus, and btw do you really need 100+ fps for casual gaming where 60 is enough!
@@jordan-mn6yy as better as you do it your self!
Holy these results are amazing. 170+ FPS in cs2? I got i7-9750H and GTX 1650 laptop and it perform horribly, barely got 140fps. Nice review!
The fact that this runs faster than my old RX 560 2gb is insane to me. I could barely even scratch 40 fps on Battlefield V and this thing plays it like a dream.
The question with APUs getting powerful, is if it have better latency in competitive games compared to using GPU... Though looking at these framerate numbers in CS2, it doesn't seem to be at that level yet.
I am so glad that AMD finally made a new generation APU with RDNA3. I'm really tempted to save up and build a tiny ITX system with a PicoPSU to replace my current ITX 5600+3060 Ti system. It's only a living room casual system so size is definitely a factor in the system build.
I've recommended a couple build options for some friends, the 8700G is $100 US cheaper than the other one, has a better upgrade path, but you have to put up with low graphics settings if you want decent frame rates until you add a GPU, and the other doesn't have as much of an upgrade path, but can do 1440p high settings at 60+ fps in almost any game. It's just a matter of do you want it all now, or can you wait.
i know this is old but you can replace the thermal paste on the die with liquid metal the cpu is not soldered i have done this on mine as its in a sff case and the temps dropped around 15c under load for me. this might get you some more performance out of it with out hitting thermal limits
It looks like this APU is constantly power limited by 87W and it makes the GPU clock fluctuating all over the place, I wonder if performance would be a bit higher if the power limit was higher.
Yes if he unlocks the tdp power to 100w in bios it will get quite a boost.
@@Lennox032 Sounds risky tho 💀
It's not. AM5 goes all the way up to 170W with a PPT of 230. As long as you can keep the chip cool and stable, its wattage won't be an issue.@@Droon_Jadhav
recently just upgraded to 4600G from 3200G, i only play e sports game mostly and maan the jump in perfomance is crazy! 6c/12t with vega APU, cant imagine running with 8000 series, must be Crazzzzzzzzy
The fact that you can get 60 fps even on low/med settings in games like the witcher 3 on an apu is amazing. Gamers on a very tight budget have pretty decent options now.
For the money this costs you can humilliate it in performance.
My favorite part of RGinHD benchmarks is watching Steve calmly talk about GTA V's results while committing terrorism.
This is a game changer. Now Intel will be forced to improve the iGPU in their lineups so this is only going to get better now..
Also I just had a thought 💭 I'm wondering what if they start making DDR 5 memory as double sided ram but 1 side is system ram and the other side is GDDR 6 Vram specifically for APU systems so you can have actual graphics ram and not the slower system ram and it would also not allocate the system ram meaning you don't need a 32gb kit a 16gb X 8gb kit would be perfect 16gb system and 8gb Vram on 2 sticks and would not take up any more space than the normal ram would..
interesting shower thought 💭
It’s going to be a tempting option as long as GPU prices are what they are.
FINALLY A decent iGPU. I LOVE AMD!!!!
3:57 - Nice aiming, pity the NPC in the background. Wrong place, wrong time!
This will be a welcome addition to the next laptops generation, for having some gaming without going crazy on spending.
integrated GPU is a spare, in case your main GPU dies and you need the PC to buy using the web
I think things a heating up on all fronts and it’s exciting. These iGPUs could make a great sff build for the power conscious nerds
Incredible cpu, very happy that AMD keeps making these apu. It will get more and more impressive in the next generations.
The gpu in this cpu is great, its a money saver
Review the 8600g.well i dont need these because i play just chess on my laptop , but just want to know more about ,im just interested in pc hardware!
Will do soon hopefully!
Is there any updates on ryzen 3 8300g is it released , i find it more tempting.
@@muktakumari2381 its OEM only so we'd have to wait until some of them slip on the chinese ebay market or they become available in prebuilts to get one
@@muktakumari2381Why is that more tempting? I think for that price a 5600G is a better deal.
Awesome content as always :-)
I wonder if and when AMD will be able to get 3D V-Cache working with their iGPUs, or an L4 cache like with Iris. I can't be the only person who doesn't understand why AMD hasn't put the 780M with a lower-spec CPU either.
Ok, so this makes this a lot more capable than I expected. I can't say I would buy one personally, but it would make a heck of a console replacement PC. I may be behind the curve a generation or 2 (sometimes more) when it comes to PCs personally, I tend to get mid-range to high end depending on what is available. I went from an used Intel i5 3570K to an used AMD Ryzen 5 1600X in 2019. I now have a brand new AMD Ryzen 5600X I bought as the price dropped to $156.00. This has become, yet again, an interesting time in computing. And it is nice to see APUs come as far as they have and being taken more seriously. However, I rather not have both a CPU and GPU that are limiting each other's potential while being further limited by sharing system RAM. That is one thing where the consoles do have the advantage, just sharing faster graphics RAM between the CPU and GPU, but lacking the GPU horsepower to fully take advantage.
Might have to think about this for my next build. In the meantime, I'll be saving up for a GPU to slap in it.
Do they fixed low precents in 8000 ?
once the price drops to a decent level, I'll start building with the AM5 Platform.... it looks promising!
This is a decent CPU for productivity, with gaming capability as a bonus. A great solution for a small Mini-ITX system that's primarily going to be used for work.
Really impressive to be honest. Seems like it would beat a 1660ti or maybe even a rtx 2060.
Great video
Thanks!
Its just a little weaker than my i5 9400f and rtx 2060 super. So id say you are right
The 780m in the 8700g should be around 1650/1060 6GB levels of performance, the 2060 is considereably faster. I'd be intrigued if you found some benchmarks that showed this, as 2060 levels of performance would be quite remarkable!
Nope, it is sightly worse at all than 580 8gb with high clocks
@@thedandyp In the reviews I read so far it was most of the time a bit slower than a 6400 and and I think the 1650 was ahead all the time.
Honestly it would be nice for this to be cheaper, but considering it is the best igpu money can buy..its pretty good. For example, people still regularly buy smart phones north of $1000 just to scoll Facebook and watch TH-cam. Something to consider for sure.
Those people then also build 2000$+ gaming rigs too
I'm just excited to see some progress with igpu to be honest, it will be cheaper in time.
@@Coffeeenjoyer31 Yeah, hopefully we'll see decent price cuts after the launch of 9000 series processors
@@revialle5434 "Those people" don't build PCs. They buy $3500 macs and buy consoles for gaming thinking God of War Ragnarök is the greatest game ever made. I know because I've met them.
Always prefered the 'x600' model apus overclocked, my first was a8 5600k, great fun to tweak and thats where the value was if you could get near the top model. Great review btw.
This APU should only ever be tested and used with the supplied cooler, it makes no sense to purchase a separate cooler at this price point. I understand that the AIO used was sent but an accurate setup would have been to only use the supplied cooler.
This is the cpu line that will use chatgpt in game with NPC, I highly recommend it.
Would it be possible to run these games at PS4 equivalent settings and framerrates to understand if for example the 8600G can match a PS4 GPU wise?
I'd like to see how much IQ can be pushed on these chips when locking at 1080p 30 fps in AAA games.
Match a PS4 GPU? LMAO. Brother, these match the PS5. They completely obliterate a PS4.
Currently binging your videos while my 2080 Super is at my local CeX for a "warranty test"
I cant go this long without my PC 😭
CeX, lol, 50 cent GPU there too now ?
Getting this chip probably tomorrow, using the 780M while saving up for a future 5070 or 5080 super :) Any pointers to OC the G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5? I've got some tighter subtimings already.
So much power. I love this
I gamed past 7 years on a laptop with Ryzen 2500u and 8gh ram; cost me about 300$ back in 2017. Slightly disappointed the the x500 series of CPUs didn't get major iGPU upgrades.
just a quick note that the ram oc would of been desynced from the memory controller reducing performance instead of increasing it, though with the Igpu clock increase it seems to not care. if you ran 6400 1:1 with the easy Ryzen 7000 timings from buildzoid you'd see a much bigger performance uplift for not a whole lot of work. NOTE: its only usable with Hynix A die memory chips.
Would you ever consider looking at budget gaming laptops? I just got a HP Victus with an RTX 4060, i5 13500 with 16gb RAM (upgradeable) for 700 dollars from my local Target, a Wal-Mart like store in America. I am able to run games like Read Dead 2 in 4K ultra with DLSS in Quality at perfect 60 frames and my device isn't even an inch thick. The thermals also never reach over 70c even during max load and I think it would be an awesome little showcase for your channel and fit right into budget builds if you can find one as I have. I am finding mobile GPUs to be more impressive than desktops when it comes to pricing now a days and the performance you can get for them.
I keep being slightly unimpressed by this compared to my laptop's Vega 8...
Then I remember it's doing that at 1080p.
still waiting for Vega !
definitely gonna chuck one of these in a deskmini x600. would be a good tvPC build :)
That's very good performance from iGPU! But Cyberpunk with RT at 30FPS? I wouldn't put my money on it and here is surprise. Just wondering, how it would compare to RTX 2060 as even Quake 2 RTX gave this card a sweat... Great video
Why is the IHS so weird looking on these new AMD CPUs...?
Also that iGPU is insane. I know userbenchmark isn't entirely reliable but on there the 780M falls somewhere between the 1050ti and 1060 which were fairly capable GPUs a few years ago for casual gaming. Who knows where these fancy APUs might be in a few more years.
Overclocking igpu is not so strong as ram OC. better use 7200mh ddr5 than oc igpu
What GPU would you consider this APU able to replace , where is the cutoff ? thanks for another great video
For one, it makes the RX 6400/ GTX 1650 completely obsolete, as well as equivalent older cards (e.g. GTX 780 TI, GTX 1060, RX 480, RX 570, R9 390)
that's impressive, stays nice and cool too. That would be great for a itx gaming pc.
Have you found a use for the AI cores? I feel that should AMD utilise those dedicated cores for upscaling and frame gen. Could make the iGPU amazing.
Won't it be better to use a mini-size computer with AMD Ryzen 9?
How about an APU review throughout the years review?
The way it's set up, the AiO is blowing hot air into the case, or am I missing something?
Finally, proper RAM! THANK YOU! Retest 8500G 2x8 6000 cl36 vs 2x16 CL34 6400? Would be good content. If you need any help with ram overclocking feel free to reach me, just reply in the comments. When you go beyond 6400Mhz the motherboard will switch the memory controller to 2:1 mode, it lowers performance. With manual overclock you can go arround 7600 stable.
They should've gave the 8600G the 780m as well, would have been perfect, i really don't understand the point of this APU, it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers or something.
1) "They should've gave the 8600G the 780m"
If the 6core got the full 780m graphics pretty much nobody would buy the 8700g because people buy mostly for the iGPU and not the extra 2 cores, its an upsell thing the industry does because they're not a charity.
2) "it should have been an OEM thing for mini PC makers"
So like all the OEM's using the 7940hs... 7840hs... 7840s and 7640hs APU's (with this same Phoenix die) for about a year now to build mini PC's?
This thing in a Beelink or Minisforum Mini-PC would be most excellent. GPU-wise you've got something that is probably on par in most respects with a 6500 XT or a GTX 1660 directly on the CPU die itself, which are both more than good enough for casual gaming.
What? 1660 destroys this apu
exactly what cpu gpu combo you could find for 309 bucks ? a 7600 and then a used 1650 ?
Could you make a video on AIO mounting. I feel like your setup with this could cause premature failure with the top of the rad and pump appraring to be close to level.
Ive only installed one so dont take this as a you messed up thing. I genuinely want to know the best positions for those things lol
Excellent video as always! I wonder how well this APU would run Microsoft Flight Simulator?
I reckon it could handle low settings with close to 30. Might have to try it out!
The fact it can somewhat impressively do raytracing is wild to me
Seeing stuff like this always makes me wonder what kind of gaming power we'll be carrying in our pockets in the next couple years.
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Im wondering how to encoder is for streaming. Might make a good dedicated streaming PC.
Excellent video! Has anyone here used this APU with minecraft shaders? I'd be curious to find out how well various shaderpacks run on this hardware
whats the software that youre using for see all the clocks and temps?
The overcloking results give good results... imagine if you could overclock the 780M by 30-50%... with lets say DDR5 8800... that would be amazing.
The memory timing is a better option before increasing clocks as you will see more of an improvement. I was confused as to why at 7800 I was getting worse score than 6400 and barely better than 6000 when I tried faster RAM on mine. Turns out it as down to timings more than speed, which I know sounds odd after the DDR3 and 4 APUs but it seems it is the case. Mind you a bit of both works nicely, and I have now managed to get mine running quite nicely at 8200 with some tighter timings and got the boost I expected to see.
If its Samsung ram, you could try the 6400 pre-set for it in the bios and then ramp up the clocks, as that's what I did with my 6000 kit and I managed to hit 7000 with a bit of a voltage increase, the max default restricted one of 1.425 or 1.435 or whatever it was was to play it safe. On hynix kit mind you I had to do a bit more manual tweaking and so became friends with the clr cmos and USB settings save option :D
is AMD going to do Hybrid graphics again ? You should do a review on hybrid graphics :) Like tell us which motherbaords support it and how the play games with it on and off. And test which grpahics cards work. Seems like lots of them don't I have GF8200A with NVIDIA 8200 can hybrid with 8000's cards and 9800's cards and the 250, 280 GTX i think as well.
This little bugger is amazing, but it is hard to convince myself to sell to a friend who isn't tech savvy, as I would hate to tell them they have to go through and flip a lot of settings to get good performance.
Still waiting for an APU to stop trying to catching up and perform, instead of being a stop gap card till upgrade.
Eta prime a TH-cam channel overclocked the integrated igpu Radeon m780 with MSI b 650 itx and 7400mhz ddr5, and the results are crazy you could play with 1080 high preset and 1440p too. 🎉😮
The funny thing is i have an New AMD A4 Still in his Box and Sealed.. As well other CPUs i Collect them when ever i find it for a bargain Price. The most are New and in Sealed Pack.
Thank you again for that Great Video.
the funny thing indeed