The AMD Ryzen 7 8700G - 60 FPS Gaming Without a Graphics Card?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- As someone who has used AMD APUs for at least a decade, I've been looking forward to the day that they could keep up with or even outperform entry level discrete graphics cards. It seems that the Ryzen 7 8700G and Radeon 780M iGPU can do just that...
0:00 Introduction
1:20 My Ryzen 7 8700G Test Setup
2:01 Make Sure To Check For Motherboard Updates
2:20 RAM and Test Methodology
2:38 Can It Run Crysis?
3:22 Kingdom Come Deliverance
4:02 Spider-Man Remastered
4:50 Counter-Strike 2
5:20 Grand Theft Auto V
5:45 The Witcher 3
6:16 Forza Horizon 5
6:31 Battlefield V
7:08 Cyberpunk 2077
7:40 Red Dead Redemption 2
8:22 Fortnite
8:55 Cyberpunk w/ Ray Tracing
9:14 Overclocking the RAM and iGPU
9:45 Cyberpunk - Stock vs OC
10:06 Forza - Stock vs OC
10:26 RDR2 -Stock vs OC
10:58 GTA V - Stock vs OC
11:23 Final Thoughts
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I blink and now there's an 8000 series for Ryzen. Time goes by like crazy dawg.
Yeah it’s crazy
tell me about it! Im still using a ryzen 5 1600 that i got very early after it was released, and it dosent feel like iv had it that long lol. Just starting to really show its age in cyberpunk struggling to keep 60fps in the busy places. Not to mention starfield.....My rtx 2060 isnt much more powerful but when the cpu overtakes the gpu in utilization it feels rough. Luckily my b350 gaming f should handle a later gen Ryzen maybe a 5600x or something with just a bios update
My first experience with an APU was AMD's A8 6600K back in 2014. I was blown away at the time being able to play games without a dedicated GPU. Fast forward a decade later, and these APUs are absolutely mind-boggling with their performance!
Ikr? Crazy shit
8 means year so 2024 = 8000 series, 9000 will be 2025 year processors
These Ryzen APUs have been amazing and keep impressing the public generation after generation. I just wish that they are able to do something about the prices in the future since getting the best integrated graphics means spending a dime too much.
Yeah hopefully prices won’t take too long to come down
if this was like 200 that would be so nice
the 8600G is 100$ cheaper and only 10-15% worse.
If we go by 5600g, by the time ryzen 10000 come 8600g should be a great budget Apu for new commer or small built
More performance means more transistors. You can use em as efficienty as possible but that only gets you so far. More transistors means more chance of failure, more time, more money spent.
Most useful practical review of the 8700G I have seen. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
This is his strongest expertise!!! Everyone reviews the high end thoroughly, but this is the guy that knows the low end better than everyone else, especially since low spec left long ago
@@manuelhernandez2017 This new APU is great if someone wants to build a small (ITX or smaller) system that sips power, runs quiet, and has more than adequate power for frankly most home or office users that might also want to do some casual gaming. Give it adequate RAM (which any system needs anyway) and it is more than adequate for home video editing, photo editing/management, music work (system silence is golden for that), podcast recording - you name it. Sure, a lower price would be nice, but there is also a value to the simplicity of a system built around an 8700G. I build the occasional computer and help people with their system problems. If someone came to me wanting a "gets the job done without eating the desktop or electric bill" system, the toughest question might be "what's the coolest case to put this in?"
@@guildpilotone agreed
90w is even lower than have a 42 tv turned on, like pls can it run cyberpunk 2077
The OC performance boost may not seem too significant when looking at the fps but it's about 8% uplift which is really nice.
Add to that the fact that there was only a roughly 10% increase in clock speed it is really good.
@@activeentropyYou could get a massive performance improvement with a heavier overclock but then it would need a new cooler. I'd be pushing more than 4 GHz on my 3.5 GHz Ryzen 3 if the cooler wasn't so limiting. And at this point I'm better off just getting a new Ryzen 5.
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Holy crap, Crysis at 60fps!? I certainly did not expect that kind of punching power from this APU. Amazing, truly.
its been a year with 780m out man..
@q9mw2xz3j that might be so, but up until now I hadn't paid attention to iGPUs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@q9mw2xz3jyou are correct for mobile but not for desktop
In 3 years Crysis is gonna be 20 years old.
So you are more impressed this running over 60fps on a nearly 20 year old game, rather than it ran above 60 fps in Cyberpunk2077?
You are THE GUY for reviewing parts like these. No one else's review came close to you brother. THANK you for this one!!
Freaking monster of a cpu. I'm pretty impressed.
Awesome video man been watching since the og days keep it up
I really like that you included overclocking numbers! I think this is very helpful and honestly, anyone buying this for gaming would probably want to overclock the igpu and get any extra performance that they can.
I love these APUs, and I always have a 2200G floating around in my workspace for testing, messing around on, etc., but it’s kind of a shame that AMD has shifted their marketing mentality for these APUs. It used to be that APUs were cost effective solutions for users that couldn’t really afford a dedicated GPU but now it’s shifted to being a higher end CPU for those chasing better performance for smaller form factor and itx builds which already incur a premium. You can see evidence of this in their current 8000 series stack. Look at how gimped the 8600G and 8500G are in comparison to the 8700G.
True... If the 8500 got a 780m it would be insane.
it's gonna get better if these apus are successful. changes are always made from the top end of the budget, everywhere.
8600g is pretty close to 8700g for much cheaper
Keep up the great work you have been one of my fav tech tubers for years!
Thank you!
The performance of this integrated graphics is ridiculous! I am genuinely impressed
Please see 1 year worth of 780m performance.
Awesome content as always :-)
Huge gains with the OC. IAO really came in clutch
so happy when you upload + your videos must be good, it's the only pc content my girlfriend you watch. She refers to you as the 'minecraft laptop' guy lol
So much power. I love this
Always prefered the 'x600' model apus overclocked, my first was a8 5600k, great fun to tweak and thats where the value was if you could get near the top model. Great review btw.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the 8000 series APUs.
It’s not 2020 when APUs were for the poors, these things are now for people chasing SFF like myself.
This thing has impressive work environment capabilities while also offering a positive leisure gaming experience.
If you travel for work, or maybe want something you can bring to in-laws, all you need is this an a portable Usbc monitor. No hassle of removing a GPU for transport or dealing with a heavy, bulky, Micro ATX build.
InWin offers some cases with very small built in Gold rated PSUs and they pair very well with an APU like this if anyone is interested.
Yeah would make a great start to a SFF PC!
The 3040 (official called 3050 6Gb) is there in Low Profile version and is faster? A low profile Micro ATX build doesn't have to be bulky and is more upgradeable than the miniPCcrap. And most important it delivers a lot more for the same money especially if you AM4 instead of the pricey AM5 platform.
Seems like a very niche market. There are great pre-built SFF PCs out there using mobile chips which makes more sense. And personally if I wanted a portable PC, I'd rather buy a laptop.
@@THU31 With the 8700G and a DDR5/AM5 build being as expensive as it is... a laptop with a 780M or 3050 won't be much more expensive neither.
Deskmini x600 is a good am5 barebone pc with external power supply, hopefully release sometime this year.
Please add more fighting games in your test. Like tekken 8 and SF6.
We are a big fighters community and we love so much your channel. Please do it for us.
Thanks, from watching your videos I fixed the graphics issue on my desktop. All I did was take out the GeForce 710, blew off the dust, cleaned off the heatsink compound with IPA and applied fresh. Its like a new machine.I know its a rubbish board, but it does what I want, I-m not into gaming in any way!
Hey Steve, did you go into the BIOS and change the allocated memory for VRAM to 8 GB? If not, that might explain the odd stuttering in RDR2.
I remember my A4-5000m, 720p low but I´ve played Crysis 3 and Battlefield IV @ 30fps with that 45W APU.
The urge to build a mini/SFF PC is growing stronger day by day, despite having less than $100 to my name, lol
Get older one ;-) i bought some older with n3150 ^^
I think things a heating up on all fronts and it’s exciting. These iGPUs could make a great sff build for the power conscious nerds
APUs have come a long way. Still remember how disappointed I was with my 2400G when I bought it in 2018. Got myself a RX 570 as soon as I could and a 2700X in 2021 because I was not pleased at all with the APU. It sucked both in CPU and GPU performance and was a bottleneck even for the RX 570 which I actually have to this day. As always, great video!
APUs (especially 2200G/3200G) were meant to fill budget gaming for 720p mostly, same as these new ones. The only difference is price and alternatives.
2400G/3400G already had pricing issue at 150$ because an i3 and used rx570 were offering much better performance for same amount of money.
In my opinion, APUs have degraded and have no real purpose. 5600G was a bad deal even during mining because an i3 (~100) and used rx570 (~150) were still a better choice and it is still a bad deal now. On top of it, all Zen4 CPUs have iGP for display out purposes which makes AM5 APUs even more pointless.
Maximum price for gaming APU should be 150$ to make sense with this level of iGP performance, especially when we consider that CPU side is "crippled".
Incredible cpu, very happy that AMD keeps making these apu. It will get more and more impressive in the next generations.
that's impressive, stays nice and cool too. That would be great for a itx gaming pc.
Excellent video as always! I wonder how well this APU would run Microsoft Flight Simulator?
I reckon it could handle low settings with close to 30. Might have to try it out!
I am so glad that AMD finally made a new generation APU with RDNA3. I'm really tempted to save up and build a tiny ITX system with a PicoPSU to replace my current ITX 5600+3060 Ti system. It's only a living room casual system so size is definitely a factor in the system build.
Won't it be better to use a mini-size computer with AMD Ryzen 9?
definitely gonna chuck one of these in a deskmini x600. would be a good tvPC build :)
Seems like about five years ago I bought a new AMD K6 200MHz chip, only to have the K6-2's get released while UPS was bringing it to my house, and the value of the chip I had just bought dropped by half. Of course, that was more like 25 years ago, but then, I'm old.
It’s going to be a tempting option as long as GPU prices are what they are.
Holy these results are amazing. 170+ FPS in cs2? I got i7-9750H and GTX 1650 laptop and it perform horribly, barely got 140fps. Nice review!
That's very good performance from iGPU! But Cyberpunk with RT at 30FPS? I wouldn't put my money on it and here is surprise. Just wondering, how it would compare to RTX 2060 as even Quake 2 RTX gave this card a sweat... Great video
When nearing the max limit of DDR5 memory speed, these iGPUs can be properly utilized.
If only AMD had the cheaper options using 780M/760M instead of 740M so their price could be more competitive with dedicated. Maybe if they could make these iGPUs chiplet like the 610M it could be possible to see them in cheaper options.
That's impressive
recently just upgraded to 4600G from 3200G, i only play e sports game mostly and maan the jump in perfomance is crazy! 6c/12t with vega APU, cant imagine running with 8000 series, must be Crazzzzzzzzy
How did you get the 8700G Core Clocks to display in Afterburner? I've tried updates and everything but still doesn't work?
This is a decent CPU for productivity, with gaming capability as a bonus. A great solution for a small Mini-ITX system that's primarily going to be used for work.
This will be a welcome addition to the next laptops generation, for having some gaming without going crazy on spending.
The funny thing is i have an New AMD A4 Still in his Box and Sealed.. As well other CPUs i Collect them when ever i find it for a bargain Price. The most are New and in Sealed Pack.
Thank you again for that Great Video.
the funny thing indeed
Seriously impressive gpu performance the next four years will make low end GPUs irralevent for the most part.
Might have to think about this for my next build. In the meantime, I'll be saving up for a GPU to slap in it.
once the price drops to a decent level, I'll start building with the AM5 Platform.... it looks promising!
Is the Vram overlay during RDR2 footage glitched? 7:49
Yes seems to always be with APUs, at least when I’m testing them 😂
Seeing an iGPU outdo my previous GPU is crazy
Do they fixed low precents in 8000 ?
This is insane
Have you found a use for the AI cores? I feel that should AMD utilise those dedicated cores for upscaling and frame gen. Could make the iGPU amazing.
whats the software that youre using for see all the clocks and temps?
Would you ever consider looking at budget gaming laptops? I just got a HP Victus with an RTX 4060, i5 13500 with 16gb RAM (upgradeable) for 700 dollars from my local Target, a Wal-Mart like store in America. I am able to run games like Read Dead 2 in 4K ultra with DLSS in Quality at perfect 60 frames and my device isn't even an inch thick. The thermals also never reach over 70c even during max load and I think it would be an awesome little showcase for your channel and fit right into budget builds if you can find one as I have. I am finding mobile GPUs to be more impressive than desktops when it comes to pricing now a days and the performance you can get for them.
The way it's set up, the AiO is blowing hot air into the case, or am I missing something?
I've recommended a couple build options for some friends, the 8700G is $100 US cheaper than the other one, has a better upgrade path, but you have to put up with low graphics settings if you want decent frame rates until you add a GPU, and the other doesn't have as much of an upgrade path, but can do 1440p high settings at 60+ fps in almost any game. It's just a matter of do you want it all now, or can you wait.
So if that's on-Chip Graphics, it takes the Ram as VRam, right? It would be interesting to know how the system does with 'just' 16gb of Ram, as this would limit wither VRam or normal system Ram quite considerably. Or am I missing something here?
The fact you can play AAA games, with decent settings and fps, with just a CPU is wild. Imagine what will be possible in 5 years time.
Does the mounting position affect the performance of the cpu ?
Ok, so this makes this a lot more capable than I expected. I can't say I would buy one personally, but it would make a heck of a console replacement PC. I may be behind the curve a generation or 2 (sometimes more) when it comes to PCs personally, I tend to get mid-range to high end depending on what is available. I went from an used Intel i5 3570K to an used AMD Ryzen 5 1600X in 2019. I now have a brand new AMD Ryzen 5600X I bought as the price dropped to $156.00. This has become, yet again, an interesting time in computing. And it is nice to see APUs come as far as they have and being taken more seriously. However, I rather not have both a CPU and GPU that are limiting each other's potential while being further limited by sharing system RAM. That is one thing where the consoles do have the advantage, just sharing faster graphics RAM between the CPU and GPU, but lacking the GPU horsepower to fully take advantage.
What dGPU goes well with the 8700G considering it only uses 8 PCIE lane?
I have one. How can you recommend the NPU and a A620 to get cheaper.......you can't overclock the A series. To get best performance you have to must be B650 minimum and 6400 mhz RAM
Seems perfect for mini builds
What GPU would you consider this APU able to replace , where is the cutoff ? thanks for another great video
For one, it makes the RX 6400/ GTX 1650 completely obsolete, as well as equivalent older cards (e.g. GTX 780 TI, GTX 1060, RX 480, RX 570, R9 390)
The question with APUs getting powerful, is if it have better latency in competitive games compared to using GPU... Though looking at these framerate numbers in CS2, it doesn't seem to be at that level yet.
just a quick note that the ram oc would of been desynced from the memory controller reducing performance instead of increasing it, though with the Igpu clock increase it seems to not care. if you ran 6400 1:1 with the easy Ryzen 7000 timings from buildzoid you'd see a much bigger performance uplift for not a whole lot of work. NOTE: its only usable with Hynix A die memory chips.
before and after overclocking, what about the wattage increase ?
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Do these iGPU get better with drivers?
Would it be possible to run these games at PS4 equivalent settings and framerrates to understand if for example the 8600G can match a PS4 GPU wise?
I'd like to see how much IQ can be pushed on these chips when locking at 1080p 30 fps in AAA games.
Match a PS4 GPU? LMAO. Brother, these match the PS5. They completely obliterate a PS4.
Impressive performance
why the change in look of the heatspreader?
How much ram does it use for vram?
The memory timing is a better option before increasing clocks as you will see more of an improvement. I was confused as to why at 7800 I was getting worse score than 6400 and barely better than 6000 when I tried faster RAM on mine. Turns out it as down to timings more than speed, which I know sounds odd after the DDR3 and 4 APUs but it seems it is the case. Mind you a bit of both works nicely, and I have now managed to get mine running quite nicely at 8200 with some tighter timings and got the boost I expected to see.
If its Samsung ram, you could try the 6400 pre-set for it in the bios and then ramp up the clocks, as that's what I did with my 6000 kit and I managed to hit 7000 with a bit of a voltage increase, the max default restricted one of 1.425 or 1.435 or whatever it was was to play it safe. On hynix kit mind you I had to do a bit more manual tweaking and so became friends with the clr cmos and USB settings save option :D
Could you make a video on AIO mounting. I feel like your setup with this could cause premature failure with the top of the rad and pump appraring to be close to level.
Ive only installed one so dont take this as a you messed up thing. I genuinely want to know the best positions for those things lol
I gamed past 7 years on a laptop with Ryzen 2500u and 8gh ram; cost me about 300$ back in 2017. Slightly disappointed the the x500 series of CPUs didn't get major iGPU upgrades.
is AMD going to do Hybrid graphics again ? You should do a review on hybrid graphics :) Like tell us which motherbaords support it and how the play games with it on and off. And test which grpahics cards work. Seems like lots of them don't I have GF8200A with NVIDIA 8200 can hybrid with 8000's cards and 9800's cards and the 250, 280 GTX i think as well.
How about an APU review throughout the years review?
can you do power consumption too??
A very impressive APU
If you wanted to do a SFF build, this chip would be perfect. I would kill to have a small desktop with this sorta power that I could just take to a friends house and stuff.
Will be interesting to see some of the sleeper builds this ends up in
what case is that??
This is a game changer. Now Intel will be forced to improve the iGPU in their lineups so this is only going to get better now..
Also I just had a thought 💭 I'm wondering what if they start making DDR 5 memory as double sided ram but 1 side is system ram and the other side is GDDR 6 Vram specifically for APU systems so you can have actual graphics ram and not the slower system ram and it would also not allocate the system ram meaning you don't need a 32gb kit a 16gb X 8gb kit would be perfect 16gb system and 8gb Vram on 2 sticks and would not take up any more space than the normal ram would..
interesting shower thought 💭
Hi! can you share your pc build with 8700g? Thank you.
Cool video. Please test 8600g too. Thx!
Will do!
@@RandomGaminginHD Could you focus there on the difference between 8600G and 8700G? The 8700G is quite expensive but the 8600G has a much smaller GPU integrated.
The fact that you can get 60 fps even on low/med settings in games like the witcher 3 on an apu is amazing. Gamers on a very tight budget have pretty decent options now.
For the money this costs you can humilliate it in performance.
can you compare this with ryzen 7 7840u / z1 extreme apu?
Right 👍
Seeing stuff like this always makes me wonder what kind of gaming power we'll be carrying in our pockets in the next couple years.
Finally, proper RAM! THANK YOU! Retest 8500G 2x8 6000 cl36 vs 2x16 CL34 6400? Would be good content. If you need any help with ram overclocking feel free to reach me, just reply in the comments. When you go beyond 6400Mhz the motherboard will switch the memory controller to 2:1 mode, it lowers performance. With manual overclock you can go arround 7600 stable.
you could make a video comparing this with a similarly costing best cpu + gpu combo and see what happens
Im wondering how to encoder is for streaming. Might make a good dedicated streaming PC.
Eta prime a TH-cam channel overclocked the integrated igpu Radeon m780 with MSI b 650 itx and 7400mhz ddr5, and the results are crazy you could play with 1080 high preset and 1440p too. 🎉😮
This thing in a Beelink or Minisforum Mini-PC would be most excellent. GPU-wise you've got something that is probably on par in most respects with a 6500 XT or a GTX 1660 directly on the CPU die itself, which are both more than good enough for casual gaming.
What? 1660 destroys this apu
Compare it with the budget card rx 6400 in ray tracing
This
Son I am IMPRESSED
now lets wait for the 880m
I need more benchmarking on this GPU, like Elden Ring and stuff, but hot damn if this kinda performance get cheaper and even better next generation, it's gonna take over the lower tier buget GPU market, like it is a 150% higher performance from 5700G
Btw a question : Can you overclock DDR5 memory as easy on the cheaper AM5 mainboards or only on the more expensive ones? (this one you are using is above 400 euros?) I think the extra powerusage /heat coming of OC DDR5 will limit it in small MiniPC's anyway because certain youtubers turned back to slower DDR5 with the 8700G for smaller builds.
Hello! Idk if this is relevant to your question. But for me I'm using Asus B650A-CSM(low to mid tier mobo) paired it with XPG LANCER BLADE RGB DDR5 6000MHz 32GB CL30. I manage to OC it to 6400 Mhz stable. I feel like 6800Mhz will only be accessible in high tier motherboards or so.
@@shincloud4609 6400 is what I expect to work on all mainboards and a b650 is not the cheapest chipset, but yeah I think so too. But for the 7000 series it didn't seem to profit from better than 6400 Mhz so then it was not an issue. But in benchmarks the 8700G at least does scale with DDR5 with speeds above 6400Mhz, but still I haven't seen reviewers reviewer seen using anything above 6400 Mhz in small systems.
@@erikkarsies4851 Indeed! I am currently waiting for tech reviewers to test the performance of CPUs with a clock speed of 6800mhz and higher. This is because I am interested in building a mini PC without a discrete graphics card. However, it seems like some tech reviewers are avoiding testing the Ryzen 8000 series APU, possibly because they are disappointed with the PCIE lanes and the MSRP. I hope that AMD will introduce a new APU that can better meet the needs of consumers and keep up with future developments. Because lets be frank, budget discrete gpu right now is not even worth it for price to performance ratio. Much more economical to use the APU for wattage and save desk space. AMD just need to introduce a refresh one APU or lower the msrp of these 8000 series APUs
The gpu in this cpu is great, its a money saver
Stacked cache?
X3d apu would be crazy