This Dungeon Was a DISASTER | Zero to 3K Challenge #4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- Today is the 4th episode where we embark on a new challenge. To achieve 3000 raider.io score with purely pugs, no friends, no guildies, limited gold and disconnected to my main Raider.io account. This is the 0 to 3k Challenge and I hope you enjoy!
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The healer in the Everbloom key is just crying to cry. Yes, you should pay attention to their mana before boss pulls, but he should def tell you he needs mana. "Any healer would have walked by now." Okay, you're such a brave soul for sticking this out after ONE bad pull. Don't let the party members belittle you. You apologized and carried on. Nothing you could have done would have made their feelings towards you any different. Yeah, you shouldn't do bigger pulls or double pulls if your healer is already struggling to keep up and it's Bursting week, but the DPS should stop pressing their buttons to prevent Bursting from stacking. It's a constant issue.
I do agree there is fault at both sides. Going to learn from it and get back to the grind!
Everyone’s got an ego. Healers and Tanks are usually the worst. No one likes to admit they’re wrong or will admit they could do better. I would love to say pug healers like that are rare, but they’re not. They are not super common either. Watching your vids, it’s really tiny things that need to be worked on. I still do mega pulls not remembering it’s bursting or sanguine or bolstering and I wipe the party. Just something I have to work on. You’ve been doing great.
Hey! A tank player here! You've done great in Everbloom; don't listen to anyone. I was constantly anxious about my routes and runs before I got around 3200 and switched to DPS. I run dungeons as DPS, and seeing what other tanks do, I thought, "Well, I'm really not that bad compared to this guy." Knowing the route is really important, but the most important thing is to time the key, and you did it!
If you want a small piece of advice about the Everbloom, then in your route, try to avoid pulling Abominations and Berserkers as much as you can (you can't skip all of them, but you can skip some). Abominations are really hard for your healer, and Berserkers can one-shot on higher keys (maybe pull one at a time if you have to).
Great job! Enjoying your videos!
I appreciate the kind words man!
Its kind of funny seeing how the people doing low keys are way more toxic than the people doing actually challenging keys. Very rarely have I ever seen toxic people in top 0,1% keys. If we fail the key 99% of the time, people say "unluck, thanks for trying" and move on. Enjoying the series a lot!
So true, I rarely run into toxic groups when I do push keys on my main
You're doing great man don't let that healer bring you down. I main heals (almost to 3k for the first time!) and will always speak up if I need mana and never assume tanks see that I need it. Also DPS should be aware of how evenly they're killing mobs during bursting weeks bc they have more control over bursting then tank or healers.
Enjoying the series and will keep watching!
FYI, when the key is over let it go. Don’t whisper, don’t try to justify yourself or explain things. That dungeon is over and you just need to take what you’ve learned into the next.
It’s hard. You can feel like you need their approval but at the end of the day you need to just let things go.
Especially if you play tank or heal, this is the best advice for everyone pugging. Don’t start discussions with salty people, it’s not worth the time.
Looking back a few days after you are totally right. I was hoping I could try to save a future player from the same fate but lots of players won't change even when you explain it to them
@@newmenn it's a good thought and very kind of you, but their being cranky could be everything from an off-day for them to it just being their personality.
It's hard but you have to try and not take all criticism personally. You're doing good work on your channel and in game.
I, and I think everyone else that commented, really appreciates your positivity. You'll just burn yourself out and get frustrated trying to fight with people that are essentially strangers on the internet.
amazing vid brother , always looking forward for these , great content
Thanks my man!
Being a tank is sometimes super frustrating especially when people blame you (or the healer) for their own fuckups. There's nothing you can do really and there is nothing gained by arguing during the key.
I agree on Everbloom being the hardest dungeon this season in terms of % but there's a simple solution that I found using MDT: make sure to have at least 74% before the second boss. This way you can pull everything around the third boss and be fine. If you are a bit higher on %, you can pull exactly as many of those assistan mobs as you need to get perfect score since they give around 1% each.
It’s the healers responsibility to manage mana. Every healer class manages mana differently. Shaman should have just said “mana” in chat before the boss. However, if you’re chain pulling and don’t give them the opportunity to heal up from the last pull and type something in chat before pulling again, then it’s definitely your fault. Especially on a bursting week you need to pause between pulls and assess where the healer is at
When I pug I usually pull the abomination patrols by themselves on fortified, when I play with my usual people we just skip them, but they seem to always get bodypulled in pugs. The damage from 1 abomination + bursting from flowers is pretty lethal, I would try to not pull that together.
Also as someone else mentioned, you can use freedom to get rid of the stack from the flowers, that'll help with the massive damage you are taking in the trash pulls.
When you have big CDs you can double pull on bursting, if you spec into spell warding you can ward the healer and use lay on hands on another weak partymember while bubbling yourself. That way healer only needs to deal with 2 bursting guys, and if they use CDs they will be peachy.
Also, this healer is pretty rude for someone that is not exactly great at CD management himself, and about his route comment, knowing "the route" isn't that straight forward, people bodypull and all sorts of things happen, especially in evebloom where there is so much trash.
What I do to keep from doing % mistakes as a tank is, before the season starts, I go into MDT, and I check the breakpoints for each area, then I put them on a little note, so if I ever forget, I can quickly check if I need to pull more before entering said area (as things tend to get bodypulled in pugs, you might want to skip something you usually pull and so on)
In everbloom you need 73% before going up to the mage boss.
In Doti: Rise you need 92.54% before going to the area before the last boss.
In Waycrest you need 88.9% before you enter the lowest level of the basement.
In Throne you need 82.33% before entering the final gauntlet. (not that important to remember)
In Doti:fall you need 41.33% before leaving the circular area towards third boss, 12.33% before leaving first boss room.
In Blackrook you want 79.49% before running up the stairs towards the second to last boss
Atal'Dazar depends completely on your route, so check your own.
In Darkheart you want 78.39% before jumping down into the log towards last boss.
With this information on a piece of paper, or a second screen or in your mind, you'll always be confident when you can move on, it takes 2 minutes to check all 8 dungeons before setting out on your journey for the season but it really helps your confidence as a tank.
Keep in mind that you can remove a lot of damage from the flowers with hand of freedom.
The real problem with that EB key was not the healer but the hunter.
If the hunter damage had been higher then the healer would have had more mana and things would have felt a lot smoother.
Honestly my impression is they made you a punching bag because they couldn’t call their own out on their BS.
Agreed!
Thanks man, I appreciate the encourage big time. I learned about this in the 2nd or 3rd episode and completely forgot about it during this run so I totally could have done that. Thanks for the reminder!
I started to tank, something like 3 weeks ago with a prot pal too and my principal fear is exactly what you described in your everbloom... I just hate toxic people in keys whether in +5 or in +25. It's just a game and people should just relax, unless it's an obvious full trolling.
Today with my prot I'm around 2K8 io, with the majority of my keys in 18 and some between 20 and 24 and I always try to be positive in my keys. If people make mistakes, it's not a problem, it even happens to the bests and I try to explain to them what they could have done better (and above all, I would like people to react the way with me).
I totally recognize myself in your videos so good luck and keep going on !
You did good, routing is hard sometimes and being told things by a duo que can be tough. They weren't in the right for doing what they did and if anything it helps to share rather than put people down. Keep up the great work and don't let this discourage you!
Thanks dude!
Cant wait for next Part. Thx to you i started to play pali tank ❤ 😊
Happy to hear that!
This is why I'm terrified of doing M+
3200 prot pally here, the pants are good if you haven't reached your haste cap then you play shadowflame on bracers, if you are at your haste cap (42-45%) you can play shadowflame on gloves too. Keep pushing your doing good.
Hey~ Great job doing this series~ ❤ I used to main tank and when I was pugging on other roles I would feel disrespectful to tell tank that his plan was not the optimal imo, although I never had the courage to tell him that he did not so well after the key either 😑 Some tanks would be offended to be told "we need %" .. You did really great and thank you for the content.
Decided i was gonna learn to tank on my warrior because of you, and my first run i just feel giga broken, barely take damage at all and crazy damage
Feels really good
Lets goo!
In throne I'd not kite the dogs as much as you did, like you mentioned you have multiple ways to deal with the bleeds and the dogs staying together so they die fast is a lot better for time than them spreading out and running away, LOSing your caster(s) and just generally being alive longer.
a cool thing in darkheart if you have an evoker is that you can rescue skip the double bears as well, and then only 1 person in the group needs to invis skip! (someone gets on 3person mount, 2 ppl jump on, evoker rescues the person that mounted = 4ppl through)
Everbloom i'll try to not repeat to much of what was said in other comments but I'd say keep an eye on the healers mana, bc just as much as he can't expect you to play perfectly, you can't expect him to either.
Skipping as many abom's as possible makes the dungeon 10x easier as well tbh, so that's something to look at.
Good job in cleansing the poison dot they put on you, a lot of ppl don't do that and it hurts like a mf lmao
Double pulling is fine on fortified bursting, if the healer is a bit worse it might be rough sure but before the second abom patrol was pulled there was nothing really wrong with the pull.
About the rise key, idk the timeline of the entire key but as you mentioned he was undergeared so he fell behind in healing, a corroding volley went through and idk how many more went through after that so that's for sure something to look out for. Specially in fort weeks or in any high key since they really slap!
Outside of that I'd say that pugging isn't really as much about relying on your teammates to tell you about the route, help with the stops, affixes etc when doing lower keys. When they help, or are blasters or give advice that's fantastic! But most people going into these keys are going to be either on autopilot, fully casual, boosted, not paying attention, or used to getting carried through keys. There are the occasional players that do those keylevels that really try and learn etc ofc but they are vastly outnumbered by people that just are there to get it over with or just want the score and dont see any fault in their own play so they blame the healer or tank or lowest dps^^
Being as prepared as possible, knowing which mobs have what abilities, setting focus target on one, targetting another and AoE stopping/stunning a third mob in a bigger pull is usually something that makes pulls easier in general, since you just took out 3 important interrupts the people that are there for their own reasons and aren't paying attention or maybe don't even know about these kicks.
Great job so far! keep working on the not turning your back thing and standing more in consecration as well, it's gotten a lot better:)
my friend, blessing of freedom removes the flower debuff for future reference. If you have high stacks press that and it will remove your movement snare + debuff.
You can jump off after the final boss and it’ll kill you and return you to the start. Great series man
Dude... I actually just facepalmed. How the hell did I not think of that xD
To be fair about the healer mana issue, resto shamans really never need mana. They have so much passive mana restoration.
can i ask what you use for your heltbar?
Shadowed Unit Frames
This video shows precisely why tanks are rare. Either you make good, or make couple small mistakes and everyone shits on you.
The sad truth but we will push on since the reward will only be better if we can push through the struggles
What addon you use that says when taunt in raid
dbm or a weakaura
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Seems like that entire Everbloom group was toxic as fuck and just a general look into the pug experience. You’re right in saying that a lot of people in pugs have probably done these dungeons as another class, and are just learning. Being at +18 alone is already a minority and think they’re doing high level keys when it’s just high-end alt gearing. Glad to see you’re learning how to talk to these toxic people, and sadly trying to reason with them or explain yourself will always fall on deaf ears
taunt during the cataclysm jaws cast
Thanks!
Re routing. Just get a small WeakAura for the breakpoints. I made my own that just tells me things like "73% before second boss" in EB. I know I'm low before I get too far. My routes often have wiggle room for people who aren't paying attention to not go too far over count.
Waittt, this sounds awesome. Is this Weak Aura public?
Healer was definitely to aggressive don't be to hard on yourself you did fine healer shouldn't be that low on mana there tbh 😅
You are too kind, thanks man!
Man that healer is just toxic af, I am a pugging tank as well, and it happens. Just don't seat about it, toxic people gonna be toxic, nothing you can do about it. Just grow your ignore list and move on :)
mythic plus is a group event, your group is responsible for everything in that key. and youre trying to do a 3k run when a majority of the decent players are added and in groups and youre left with the pugs. i main healer, it is 100% on me to let the tank know when ineed mana, dispel, keep the group healthy and slap damage to aid the party, its on the tank to keep agro, and its on the dps to interupt and do dam. theres alot more to it but those are the basics, as soon as you have one of those not do their job it will deteriorate. youll get some shit groups, youll get some good groups, learn from both runs and youll be a better player. and ignore what random idiots say in the chat window. chances are they're the same clowns that wont play with anything that's not FOTM and youll likely never see them again.
No as a healer I wouldn't of left..Myself I hate bursting and rather have bolstering..😅😅😅But no I never say anything in group other then affix to dispell..
Yeah they scape gated you so they didn't have to flame their friend
The fact that he knew what yall should have been doing and didn't say anything is all you need to know about how toxic he is. I talk my shit sometimes but usually only if someone who is completely wrong is trying to argue back and tell me I am wrong. If someone says my bad or that something is an accident and they are clearly trying to learn I dont see the reason to go on flaming them lol
I agree, 100%
Bro just dont mind crying healers what do 10k dps in eb lol, just go next. Also at first boss its literally NO healing, just afk boss. Also for percentage u need is 73% be4 going to 3 boss area.
And u can calculate some of this percentage checks in MDT: like 73% in EB be4 3rd boss area, 88.9% in WM before going to lady and lord area, 78.4% in DHT before last boss gauntlet (or 72.5% with extra bats pull) , etc
Thanks for the tips, definitely worth keeping in mind so I can hit %
You're trying to argue with someone that doesn't want to talk. The guy just wants to blame someone.
As an advice, everbloom is one of the hardest to get the % right. You gotta figure a route that works for you and stick to it.
MDT can help you figure a route out, that gets you to 100%, but the best thing is to play the dungeon more.
I agree, luckily I have played for long enough to not let it bug me once the key is done. I hope other players don't get too discouraged if they continue to act that way
Unfortunately that is the state of the game now a days. It's all around toxic so many elitists that act all kinds of crazy ignorant when you don't play like a freaking MDI champ. I main prot pally in DF and man I'll tell you there is always at least one in almost every group
people getting this mad is the whole reason why I don't do group stuff
Can I get your plater import? Its really good
Thanks! It should be in the description of the UI video on my channel
The toxicity of players combined with never knowing the capabilities of the team so I can judge whether I can pull bigger or need to go smaller is why I don't pug tank Mythic+. More often than not it seems you just can't make the group happy. I just don't have the patience for that crap anymore.
I totally see where you are coming from. I am considering ways to see if I could setup some chill but still challenging keys for players like you that just want to have a good time
this is why wow elites needs to be banned from wow
I think you dont need to explain yourself to anyone lol , these guys werej ust toxic. Stand to yourself
There's no need to dedicate half of your video to one slightly toxic group lol, the rest was good
Fair point, I did want to give myself and the rest of the group a fair explanation though so that the viewers could see the full picture before agreeing with one side or the other. Thanks for the feedback!
Healer was not toxic
Why do you think that?
imagine being a tryhard on a +19 lolz :D