@@nickkammer5863 I have a 23 Canyon, with the 2.7, gas. I love it so far. Still very low mileage, under 6k. For me it’s perfect because I basically never tow, but I constantly use the bed so I do need a truck. If you have a family it might be worth considering the full size, but I make it work with my family ( no car seats) hope this helps let me know if you have any more questions
@@nickkammer5863it only comes in gas with turbo you can get the L3B being the highest output variant for this motor. Canyons come Standard with this motor Colorado’s are standard in Zr2 and Z71 i believe but yeah only turbo Gas last gen was Diesel.
It's pretty sad because I used to have an se-410 Callaway Edition in the GMC Canyon and the Chevy Colorado. And their two-door long bed pickup truck in the Chevy Colorado was the number one Fleet Sales truck for construction. Yes those customers will be buying Nissan's now or Ford Rangers
It won't blow up... it will de-rate power to 50% or 50 mph so the customer came limp back to the dealer and get violently assaulted while being assured when the parts come off of backorder you can apply for a line of credit to pay for repairs.
So when we were told there was a supply shortage due to the Pandemic that was a lie. They were manufacturing a smaller engine in a more expensive vehicle to get manufacturing rebates from the Biden administration.
@@johnrodriquez1912 almost all mid size trucks are shit rn Tacoma has had recalls failing transmissions , frontier and it's eletrical gremlins ,bronco and it's ecoboom engine dropping valves and blowing up head gaskets,ford ranger is expensive af ,this one is the only one where it looks good and reliability is liveable,could still be improved on reliability tho and it's infotainment glitches
@@jeremyclarkson-69chevys been killing it with the last gen duramax 3.0L/2.7L engines. I was bummed when they stopped the diesel 2.7 line but this new turbo max has been pretty great. Haven’t heard much bad about it since it’s release aside from some oil consumption, which isn’t abnormal. I’m not keen of all the AFM cylinder deactivation nonsense, but the overall quality and durability of the motor is what interests me. Seems they didn’t cheap out on the internals. Colorado won midsize truck of the year recently for a reason. Looks a lot nicer than the ugly designs Nissan and Toyota have been making as well
@@_N4VE_ I quite like the L3B found in the Colorado independent shops have opened and overviewed the motor ,they claimed it's built like a diesel,it's a good motor it seems and it has been used in the Silverado for what 5 years now ,no major issues I think it had some issues with the turbo waste gate and timing chain stretch those were ironed out by Chevy tho I think just do your oil changes and you'll most likely be fine ,for the buck I think it's the best in the market right now
@@jeremyclarkson-69 really considering putting myself in a debt for a new Colorado Trail Boss with the Turbomax, but not sure if i’ll regret it. from what i’ve gathered so far the motor seems reliable at least for the first 100k. Have yet to see some real high mileage reviews. Most people trade in their vehicles before that point so it’s hard to say how it’d be. I usually stick to old school vehicles that I can wrench myself, but been wanting to try out a “modern” vehicle for once. But not sure how these new technology motors will stand the test of time like the old days. There’s a reason old motors like the 22r/2rz/2jz last well into 200k
i bought a 24 sierra crew cab in 4 wheel drive 2.7 turbo sold a 2013 z71 5.3 the 2.7 feels like a beast of an engine compared to the 5.3 love my 2.7 great choice
I'm still enjoying my 3.7 naturally-aspirated five-cylinder engine from 2011. It has more horsepower than the base engine in this 2023 Colorado. No cylinder deactivation, no turbo, no auto-start/stop, and it has plenty of long-lasting durability.
Sometimes it's good to keep those older trucks alive, if they work, why trade up. I recently purchased a 99 silverado (GMT 800) 2500 with a 6.0L V8, extended cab with an 8 foot bed. Has 320k km and mechanically sound. I want a new Tacoma or Canyon, but I paid $2000 for this truck, do I want to make payments for the next 6 years? Or is it worth it just to get a new truck?
@Wojtek Swiezak I agree. My 2011 Chevy Colorado cost me $26,000 brand new. The dealer actually had taken $4,000 off the MSRP. The new Chevy Colorado cost about $45,000, then you have to consider excise tax and everything else. My truck is running great, the only problem is rust on the frame. But I'm having that taken care of by NH Oil Undercoating rust converter and Oil treatments.
I drove and pulled with the 5 straight. This 2.7 has a ton more torque. And you feel every bit of it. In towing tourqe wins over hp. If top speed is what ya want then go for hp.
@@OrcaBoat3 the dollar literally lost 50% of it's buying power in that time however. So $26,000 in 2011 IS $45,000 today. Things didn't get more expensive, your dollar lost it's shit because the government prints money like madmen...
I have a 2016 Colorado Z71 crew cab and so far it’s been a reliable daily driver. I bought it new and it’s paid off. It still works and looks great. I have the V6 and with only 89k miles on the odometer it’s still got plenty of life left in it. The v6 should have been left as an option.
I have a 2016 canyon 3.6 with 101K on the clock. Solid truck runs like the day I got it 8 years ago. Actually better after I had the dealer do the ECM TCM update reflash. Idk if you guys had that done but it cured any shifting issues I had. However I'm not bothered by the turbo 4 at all. All that low end torque is really nice if you ever drove one. The short bed is a problem for me though. That sucks no xcab option.
My son has this engine in his Silverado. I thought it would be a dog with a 4 banger, but was pleasantly surprised when I drove it. It pulls pretty hard. He has 70K trouble free, so far. I just picked up a new ZR2 Colorado...same engine. Love this truck. Ive always been a V8 truck guy, but Im sold on this 2.7 turbo. Ive stopped trying to explain that to the V6 or V8 die-hards. If you dont understand it, go git yerself a V8 if it makes ya happy. Not my job to explain it to them. 😂😅😂
I agree, that's why I just decided to order a GMC Canyon and pay a little extra so I could get this engine as standard on the GMC. I hope I won't be disappointed. I will let ya know once my 2wd 2023 Elevation gets delivered.
@@johnwhitneykokalis9990 thank you for that. Currently have a 22 ZR2 but I’m thinking about switching out for the new Canyon. I want the AT4X but not available yet I believe
@@johnwhitneykokalis9990 i sm leaning towards trading my daughter of 2023 tacoma trd off road truck in on a 2923 gmc elevation or the better gmc at4x it just at4 4x4 truck. My Tacoma gets horrible fuel economy driving in in northeast Tennessee on our hilly terrain highways in the tri cities by kingsport and johnson city areas at base of the cherokee national forest.
There are Way Too Many Parts to THIS Engine, if i Were to EVER Buy One, i Would Trade it in 1 Day BEFORE Warranty Expires. -- i Would Do THIS b/c Once Warranty Expires, it's Going to Cost a Fortune to Have it Repaired Regardless of the Repair Needed.
That's good, I'm at 35,000 kms and the oil cooler needs to be replaced. I tow an RV occasionally but otherwise it's been a daily driver. I'm somewhat concerned about longevity.
We hear people bad mouthing engines all the time. It really does not matter on what company makes it, or whether it's a 4,6, or 8 cylinder. What almost all people go by is the oil life monitor. Modern day engines need more frequent oil changes. Especially the turbo engines. Doing that will eliminate a lot of the horror stories you here about.
@@chrisb9478 That’s true. My daughter has a 2016 Surburban and the trans went out on it with around 150,000 miles. It rides and drives wonderful but it has had its issues but the cylinder deactivation has worked great so far and now it’s pushing 200,000.
Same thing can be said about all the brands. GM just gets all the attention because of the 8 speed which is fixed by now, and I would know because I have a 2019 sierra with 172000 miles with no problems, At all on anything on that truck. But it's still a looser truck because Consumer Report says so. The new Colorado and Canyon look 10 times better inside and out compared to all the competition out there if you were to be honest.
Thanks for getting more specific than I have seen elsewhere, about exactly how the base engine is "de-contented". The lack of piston-squirters and the weak-sauce transmission explain the lower towing rating, and the missing foam explains why people have observed that the base engine sounds "coarser". We know the price difference, once we see fuel efficiency we'll have the whole picture.
@@MrJEEPJT As a Chevy guy, I hate it, but have to agree, and I think that is the same for a lot of manufacturers today. It is all built to be more expensive to the consumer, break down and require more costly repairs than ever before
I like the idea that they pump coolant through the turbo to help keep it at a much lower temperature taking some of the stress off the oil but I’m sure it’s still a good idea to let it idle for two minutes before shutting it off
So, I have a 2013 Cruze, I bought it in 2018, and now in 2023, I have 75000 miles on it. I just had the water pump replaced under a "special" warranty, that was extended just for that part to 100000 miles. The thermostat/housing was cracked, the water outlet was leaking, as well as the oil cooler. The last 3 items I did myself, and the cruze has oil as well as coolant lines that run to it. to change the oil cooler, you have to remove the exhaust manifold/turbo assembly, and my turbo was cracked in 2 places internally. That is what I fear with all these new small turbo engines, especially from chevrolet is that they are priced premium, yet built with sub par parts
Water cooled turbos don't really suffer from the same heat soak spike that occurs with air/oil cooled only setups, so idle time really isn't needed. If it makes you feel better though, go ahead. Can't hurt.
I ordered a Colorado LT 4x4 with the L3B - HO. I Can't Wait !!! I didn't want to pay the ZR2 price so I got a lower trim level with all the power. We test drove a 4x4 Ranger and compared it to the 4x4 Colorado. The Colorado won "Hands Down" ! The hard part is waiting three months for the build and delivery.
I'd rather have the standard suspension anyways. The ZR2 is a lot of weight, a lot less capacity, a lot worse mileage, and a lot more strain on the components.
lots of things in common with the Toyota 2.5 liter Dynamic Force engine. Such as the electric water pump, variable oil pump. I like the Toyota engine better though because it does not have the 2 cylinder deactivation thing and also Toyota's port and direct injection fuel system to keep the valves clean.
yea not having port injection paired with GDI and AfM is a deal breaker for me (the AFM thing baffles me& its been crap since 2008)! toyota knows if they’re going to build motors with longevity those 2 things are a must ! the 3.5 dynamic force & the 2.5 both got it right & im assuming the new 2.4 that will be in new 4runner & taco will share the same tech
@@csinalabama ya a 2 cylinder turbo what could go wrong🤦♂️they designed the whole valve train around AFM & the camshafts are custom ground in house by GM for quality control….i ASSume it’s because its very finicky & unreliable otherwise….way too much going on in the valve train for engine to be reliable long term ! when they ran the 2.7 through a torcher test they said nothing about running it in AFM mode
Aren't these things designed to run hotter... can understand the port injection concern in a non-turbo, just unsure if the same issue on a hotter running turbo where the carbon is more likely to be burned. Also, not liking AFM because... it might save gas when going downhill? Do you really think it's active in normal driving? No. This is all 'feelings' based, would need some numbers to understand the complaints. Kinda reminds me of what people said about the Ford 2.7L when it was new.
@@toddwerther188 Really two separate issues. GDI engines get carbon buildup on the valves unless port injected fuel cleans it off. It happens less with a high quality synthetic oil that is regularly changed. AFM engines activate when the engine is at speed and cruising. The AFM system causes lifter failure and oil consumption. There are lots of videos on GM's AFM problems. If you want to think the problem is solved, that is up to you. The issue of turbo engines getting hotter is a real concern. The oil breaks down faster in a turbo engine and should be changed no later than 5k miles. Turbo engines need better heat management than non-turbos, so do your homework on heat management before you buy a particular company's engines. For example, look at all the problems with head gaskets on small Ford turbo engines.
I have zero confidence in the longevity of little engines with turbos. Unless it says "Toyota" or "Honda" on the cam covers. If you sell the car after 4-6 years, you might dodge the bullet headed your way. Keep it any longer, and you will be spending lots of money.
Probably going to have the same issue with intake valves as for due to the direct injection not have fuel pass by the intake valve keeping it clean. Looks very complex and long term reliability is questionable.
yeah I'm a little worried about GDI as well i honestly wish they keep the 3.0l diesel or put the 2.8l diesel in their way better gas mileage id say since its smaller then the Silverado it would be even better on fuel id say about 33 city and 38 highway id still feel like the 2.8l would need a little bit more power but one more benefit diesels tend to last longer then gas engines just another reason but they dropped them for some reason and I don't know why honestly cause the turbo 4 banger might get more power but it gets a terrible 19 city and 23 on the highway and it has AFM I wish gm would at least leave the 4 bangers out of but I guess not this is all what's stopping me from getting the canyon
27 pounds of boost hitting with good 93 gas or E85, on a GM or aftermarket performance tune to keep it up in the boost, timing and shift points would wake these way up. There is such a lag coming out of the hole from the throttle response (not turbo lag) ,and a couple flat spots in the acceleration. They pull way too hard then fall off like the engineers pulled boost or timing to be able to live with 87 octane.
A 4 cylinder turbo, with cylinder deactivation ? I have had a very successful, 40 years career with forced induction, sounds like to me the drinking water from Flint has found its way into the Powertrain Engineering Dept. at G.M.
I'm in the market and this is the way it is going, not by market demand but by demand of the W.E.F. and the traitors in D.C. With that said the Toyota is also going to a 4 turbo and is $10,000 more? What are your thoughts on those of us needing reliability and utility in our trucks? I drive an 07 Frontier I bought new, 150,000 later still running good, but it won't be long. I'm a remodeling contractor and tow a trailer 3-4 times a week. Thanks
this is all nice and cool, but I would rather have a 3.5 v6 naturally aspirated, that will last a lot longer than a turbo charged or supercharged engine. I will take longevity over a couple miles per gallon anyday
GM ran that engine pretty hard in their durability testing with little to no wear. You can make anything robust with enough money. GM did drop their inline six project which confused me. One head and set of cams, no balance shafts, easy to turbo and electrify. I also like V6 and it makes sense for FWD due to short length. But a truck can have a long hood.
@michaelgood1791 some of the strongest engines ever made have aluminum blocks. Some of the strongest engines ever made have turbo chargers. What in the actual hell are you saying😂
Just go the 2024 WT with the Turbomax engine and towing package. Coming from a VW golf. Lol. The torque delivery is extremely different in the Colorado from what I’m used to. The power band is pretty evenly distributed on this engine/transmission set up. I don’t feel the pull very much of the turbo, but I’m at 75 on the highway before I realize it. So far so good on the Colorado! It’s the best looking Colorado in a decade, inside and out. A very capable truck.
Seems like a pretty nice setup, definitely a nice break down you did there thank you. I want to see what Toyota's setup is going to be on the Tacoma maybe not the most torque is the best idea cuz 20-27 lb of boost that's quite a bit, makes me concerned about heat soaking the turbo 🤷 Toyota uses air-water intercooler instead. I'll b looking forward to what's going on in midsize 🛻💨 segment
The electric waterpump is designed for excellent heat exchange as its centered to cool around the turbo first. I doubt that will be a problem! This is a promising design. It uses some Diesel durability, so added bonus to buyers working the engine hard.
@@jemtec1 The “AFM” or cylinder deactivation on a “4” cylinder design🧐🧐 Nope deal breaker at least if it was always “4” cylinder operation I Would say ok. Rest assured Whatever Toyota brings to market be it a turbo version of their very stout “2.7” 4 banger will be far better…
@@gnd111 I’m not knowledgeable on the 2.4 4 cylinder engine … is it a new design ?? Does it have the industrial grade internal components of the 2.7 4 cylinder??? The HVAC company I work for services 3 dealerships most of the technicians in the service department have Tacomas or Tundras all of them give complimentary remarks on the 2.7
What one needs to know is the defective 8 speed transmission carries over. Forget it. Don't let the next gen talk fool you. Hell, don't take my word for it, consider this: 2023 Chevy Colorado Chief Engineer, Nick Katcherian, told GM Authority Executive Editor, Alex Luft, when asked if the eight-speed was all-new from the ground up. “We learned a lot from the first-gen eight-speed on this truck, we’ve taken all those learnings and added more componentry, and really tried to move the eight-speed to a position where we could be proud of. We know what the customers have been complaining about on the current generation and we fixed everything that we could within reason,” Katcherian added. That means, GM couldn't fix ALL of the issues but they are happy to sell a mediocre product to you. GM - what a company.
Based off the math of 50% more cylinders it would be 4.05L and in the 455 HP 645 TQ neighborhood. They would never build it that powerful but it sure would be awesome if they did. 2JZ slayer
@@brinleynicholson4588 considering they would have to be some revisions in the bore and stroke to get it somewhere in the 3.0-3.6 range and put the hp and torque somewhere in Stellantis 3.0 power range. I would think it could be a strout and reliable engine
This exact engine has already been in production for several years with literally hundreds of thousands in larger/heavier half ton trucks…they aren’t bending rods.
Hmm... GDI, turbocharging, cylinder deactivation and GM's 8L trans... This should be a safe bet outside of your powertrain warranty. Yep, nothing to worry about.
@@docholliday6285 thanks Doc, my 1 adult owned garage kept Matrix was a perfect example. The entire underneath was in worse shape than the Titanic, at only 60,000 miles.
Robert Slegers More like active trouble. Actually, I sort of like the way they have done it. Much better than relying on oil pressure and Chinese valve lifters. If there is any quality in the parts it might be reliable.
Wondering if carbon buildup on the back of the valves might become an issue on account of the direct port injection. Otherwise, looks like a strong, light engine. Interesting that they charge you $395 to "uncork" the rest of the torque, lol. Probably takes a 5 minute firmware update.
Here's is what my mechanic told me. Carbon actually absorbs gas and with lower your mpg on an old school set-up then hardens making it impossible to burn off if not treated. We all know how a DI system works. Dump in Seafoam every oil change and it will keep you running and help remove it. How, since no fuel hits the valve? It does what the bottle say. Lubricates the surrounding areas and with vapor from Top Tier gas will clean it up.
The vapor of top tier gas will clean what; the surrounding areas? How about the carbon built up on the out side top of the admission (intake) valves? Heard it gets pretty bad carbon built up over there.
Check out the video from the guys at TFL when they interview the engineer about the design of the engine, lots of good info directly from the engineer. I believe he answered this question and if I recall correctly, that build up of carbon that has been seen on some other engines with DFI, has to do with how the crank case ventilation is designed.
I have a 2018 LT Colorado and has the 3.6 L engine. During the summer it gets close to 28 mpg. Now I am very disappointed that this engine is being done away with in the Colorado. The 2.7 turbo engine gets worst fuel mileage than the V6 3.6 L engine. I think that can be a mistake because many like me really like this engine. I do hope that in 2024 GM decides to also use the 3.6 L engine again. The mileage on the 2.7 tubo is less than the 3.6 engine and fuel costs are high.
Hope it works out BUT I will bet it does not pull as well as my 2017 Diesel and will not get nearly the mileage I get. GM never advertised the small Duramax. It is a great combination.
I'm just curious what these little giants actually do for fuel economy in the real world while towing. If not significantly better than one of the V8s (in the full-size trucks) I really don't see any advantage. I realize we're talking about the smaller trucks here but I also know you can get the 2.7 in the full-size trucks.
It's important to note that this is not a full size truck but also, most people rarely drive around with anything in their truck. They just buy the truck for the look. If you plan on actually using your truck for truck things, a bigger engine would be a better choice, the down side would be lower fuel economy all the time.
@@frotobaggins7169 As I stated, I am aware of that. And yeah, most people probably do that. My '19 Silverado has 38K miles on it though and roughly 1/3 of those are towing. Hence my question. I suspect that, like the Ford Ecoboost, this turboed engine will suck fuel at a high rate when towing.
I have a 2.7 in the Silverado and I’ve never got below 19 mpg. That is a crew cab 4 wheel drive. I can tell you towing the same trailer I got the same fuel economy as my 2018 with the 5.3. That truck is a double cab 2 wheel drive.the 2.7 gets way better fuel economy especially in city or mixed driving. Highway it averages about the same as my V8 truck. It is also a heck of a lot more fuel efficient than my 2020 ranger.
Can someone please explain how a 40lb ft and 7 psi increase on HO doesn’t also result in increased HP?! I mean it’s a math equation… if the engine run at 20 psi makes 310hp and 390lb ft of tq, how does the same engine make only 310 HP while increasing to 430 lb ft?
Most likely turbo is maxed out. On old Dodge Daytona's with a 2.5 litre turbo engine that came with a tiny Mitsubishi TEO4 turbo and when you bumped up the boost the same thing happened.
Because the torque is spread at lower RPM, not higher RPM to increase peak horsepower. Horsepower is just function of torque and RPM. You can increase horsepower and torque at any RPM outside of peak horsepower RPM, which can inflate your peak torque figure yet still maintaining your peak horsepower figure.
My guess is the ECU maps between the two calibrations are basically the same at ~5k RPM where you'd make peak HP, and the bigger difference is in the lower RPM range around 2500 or 3k on the HO map and they've calibrated the wastegate to stay closed and build more boost there versus the "plus" map. So your 7 PSI difference between the two is probably in that 3k RPM range for the peak TQ difference, and otherwise have identical timing and boost mapping at 5k and making the same peak HP.
@@zbassr2106 I would think so. Find a good truck forum they will be able to help you with all kinds of questions. Let me know if the tow/haul button works. Only thing is you will have to do it every time you get in the truck
has a 2023 canyon at4, when on a road trip,, from calif, to idaho, montana, n dataka and south, wyoming, came home 4800 miles avg 19.9 mpg,,, great truck
Active fuel management system is an engine killer and has been a major thorn in GM's side for awhile now. I will not buy GM any longer and I was a hardcore GM guy until around 2008 when the quality and reliability of GM took a major hit with the addition of AFM. Yeah you can deactivate it or have it deleted, but not until after the warranty has expired or you risk voiding the warranty. If you wait to delete or deactivate it for warranty to run out you risk damage being done by that time. Unless there is a way to deactivate it without losing warranty coverage that is. I went to Toyota for purchases in 08' and have not looked back. I still own one of the best trucks GM ever made though a 2003 GMC Sierra with a 4.8l engine.
I was thinking the same thing, by the time we know, you won't be able to get the proprietary parts that break. The cooling and oil systems seem overly complicated.
I've seen the 2.7 with 8 speed hit 114k miles, 80k or more of those miles pulling 7200lbs trailers full time in the mountains. This is in the Silverado trucks. It's made a believer outa me. The high output is like a diesel running on gas. Weird but works.... and seems tough...
The calibration through the parts department was 390 dollars but they charged me 180 dollars to install, someone on You Tube said I wasn’t suppose to pay for the labor that it was included in the price of my new Colorado Trail Boss, is this true, if so I’m taking my receipt and getting the labor money back!
Why wouldn't gm add port injection to? Cylinder deactivation and a chain drive in the rear of the engine just looks like trouble and a headache for any technician. I'm good I can see it from here.
@@tboe-cr8pz Man you're speaking like a true fanboy of something else. You make it sound like all their products are garbage. If they were, people wouldn't buy them and their sales would be the worst.
Boy isn't nothing like putting them injectors up high so if you needed to replace one or all you could get to them easily! All manufacturers are doin this making it harder and harder for the everyday guy to fix his own things instead in hopes that you take it to the dealer where unfortunately your warranty just won't cover the problem your having
Just got the 2024 WT. One question and 2 comments No one can tell me if 10% ethanol is ok? Looked everywhere online and manuals. Next, that turbo is loud af. Sounds like a whistling lawn mower. And finally, hallelujah a freaking timing chain. No belt bs.
i keep seeing internet mechanics saying that this engine or tansmission will fail around 50-60k miles... idk if thats true or not. im not a mechanic. but i would like to get a new truck. Either a WT version with the upgraded mid tier engine, or the Trailboss or the Nissan frontier pro4-x... what do you guys think?
It is a complex engine and while it works it is impressive but how long will it last and when it does need repairs will it be able to be fixed without breaking the bank or will it be more likely replaced instead of repaired because of the cost.
After the video I changed the mind to buy Colorado, I like the tacoma hybrid more that this High Output 27 psi engine. In case if turbo fails, and such HO turbo will-the truck won’t bring you home :)
It's really great.. IF it lasts like a japanese engine. Period. I would really like to know the actual durability numbers, recalls, bulletins and service call items. Then we would know.
These small engines that have forced induction are under a lot of more stress than NA. They won’t last as long as NA. Cylinder deactivation is a bad idea as well. Not good to have dramatically different cylinder temps.
Exactly right. Anyone looking to keep their truck for 10 or more years will be sad if they buy these. But it seems like most are leasing now so they won’t mind.
Most diesel engines have turbos but yet they are known to also run forever. A turbo is a pretty simple thing and if the engine is built for it, like this one, you'll be fine
@@usmc2msu213 The main factor in aware of for generating heat is the compression ratio. The compression ratio is substantially higher on a diesel, that is intentional since that's how the diesel fuel is ignited. This motor from GM runs at 10:1 and is designed to run on 87 octane because of the lower compression ratio. I don't see the turbo being a problem with engine longevity. I'm more concerned with the fuel saving "Eco" features. Btw, I do own a new canyon AT4 with this engine
Thanks for this video. I just went to Chevy's Colorado Build page and looked at the base engine (L2R) paired with the (N8R) transmission vs the optional higher output (L3B) paired with the (MFC) transmission. My question is, is the (N8R) transmission code = 8L45 transmission, and is the (MFC) transmission code = 8L80 transmission? I would assume so. It seems that if you custom order a LT trim variant with the 310hp engine, the vehicle will be built with the (L3B). However, if you want to "flash" the base engine after production, the vehicle will be delivered with the (L2R).
Actually you have it backwards. If you want to get the updated HO flash then you need to order the truck with the L3B. The flash isn’t available on the base engine.
@@coop4274 I understand from the factory it isn't. I misunderstood what was said at 2:55 , I thought he had said Chevy said it could be flashed at the dealership. Instead they said, it was possible.
@Jose Delgado the base engine would be able to make the power with the flash but the lack of piston cooling and the less robust transmission are the roadblocks. Many of the
The 2021 Sierra has this engine however I don’t think they detuned the engine for certain trims I have the 2021 model and at first it was great but at 92k miles a rod broke and was causing a misfire Fortunately for me I have the extended warranty and it covered all the expenses but the service from the local dealership that I purchased the truck at was horrible they had me without a vehicle for nearly 5mths without even offering a loaner vehicle due to them facing parts issues and the replacement engine having some damaged parts due to transportation, even tho it was inside a crate. This engine is great and so is the transmission but the first issues came from : Oil control pump (inside the oil pan) Transmission oil control pump(inside the transmission) Purge valve Radiator failed too soon These small issues were quick to be fixed but the radiator failing with a small leak and even the replacement failed with the same issue Idk but 3 yrs into this truck idk how other people are doing with this engine bc if they have a fleet and drive the trucks as much as I do I don’t understand why my truck was riddled with problems I had a 2015 Malibu LT and if it wasn’t for an accident which totaled my car I would still have most likely the highest mileage 2015 Malibu with 270k miles and that car never gave me problems like this new engine in these trucks have given me
I have the 2022 Canyon in the V6. Recently heard and read now GMC and Chevrolet is having a hard time selling these Canyons and Colorado's. Think they screwed themselves from not offering 6 cylinder at least. Lots of people are buying the Honda Ridgeline or the Nissan Frontier cause they offer them in V6. Now days you almost have to buy a 4 cylinder if you want to or not, on almost everything or model. IDK why so many people bought 4 cylinders for this long for. Specially people live in rocky and very hilly terrain. Used to owned a 4 cylinder and never again. I would consider to buy a 5 cylinder someday. As long there is 6 and 8 cylinders I will keep buying those, not unless I try out a 5 cylinder.
I am late on this, but i just got a Canyon and holy shit is the engine a little monster!
Hey, I’m really interested in buying one of these. Did you get the diesel or gas?
@@nickkammer5863 I have a 23 Canyon, with the 2.7, gas. I love it so far. Still very low mileage, under 6k. For me it’s perfect because I basically never tow, but I constantly use the bed so I do need a truck. If you have a family it might be worth considering the full size, but I make it work with my family ( no car seats) hope this helps let me know if you have any more questions
@@nickkammer5863it only comes in gas with turbo you can get the L3B being the highest output variant for this motor. Canyons come Standard with this motor Colorado’s are standard in Zr2 and Z71 i believe but yeah only turbo Gas last gen was Diesel.
I got mine, too. Is monster
You gotta laugh at all these antique pushrod V8 guys. This thing has more torque than a Hemi.
Buying one of these today
I'm still waiting for the one cylinder supercharged engine that deactivates its single cylinder when it blows up after 3 miles.
It's pretty sad because I used to have an se-410 Callaway Edition in the GMC Canyon and the Chevy Colorado.
And their two-door long bed pickup truck in the Chevy Colorado was the number one Fleet Sales truck for construction. Yes those customers will be buying Nissan's now or Ford Rangers
It won't blow up... it will de-rate power to 50% or 50 mph so the customer came limp back to the dealer and get violently assaulted while being assured when the parts come off of backorder you can apply for a line of credit to pay for repairs.
Lol
Yeah it's crazy. All because of government regulations and they're trying to make it impossible
So when we were told there was a supply shortage due to the Pandemic that was a lie. They were manufacturing a smaller engine in a more expensive vehicle to get manufacturing rebates from the Biden administration.
to bad they don't offer the 5.3 in the Colorado i would buy one in a second
That would be awesome
I'm in love with this engine and the colorado. I want to get a trailboss next year
Why
@@johnrodriquez1912 almost all mid size trucks are shit rn Tacoma has had recalls failing transmissions , frontier and it's eletrical gremlins ,bronco and it's ecoboom engine dropping valves and blowing up head gaskets,ford ranger is expensive af ,this one is the only one where it looks good and reliability is liveable,could still be improved on reliability tho and it's infotainment glitches
@@jeremyclarkson-69chevys been killing it with the last gen duramax 3.0L/2.7L engines. I was bummed when they stopped the diesel 2.7 line but this new turbo max has been pretty great. Haven’t heard much bad about it since it’s release aside from some oil consumption, which isn’t abnormal. I’m not keen of all the AFM cylinder deactivation nonsense, but the overall quality and durability of the motor is what interests me. Seems they didn’t cheap out on the internals. Colorado won midsize truck of the year recently for a reason. Looks a lot nicer than the ugly designs Nissan and Toyota have been making as well
@@_N4VE_ I quite like the L3B found in the Colorado independent shops have opened and overviewed the motor ,they claimed it's built like a diesel,it's a good motor it seems and it has been used in the Silverado for what 5 years now ,no major issues I think it had some issues with the turbo waste gate and timing chain stretch those were ironed out by Chevy tho I think just do your oil changes and you'll most likely be fine ,for the buck I think it's the best in the market right now
@@jeremyclarkson-69 really considering putting myself in a debt for a new Colorado Trail Boss with the Turbomax, but not sure if i’ll regret it. from what i’ve gathered so far the motor seems reliable at least for the first 100k. Have yet to see some real high mileage reviews. Most people trade in their vehicles before that point so it’s hard to say how it’d be. I usually stick to old school vehicles that I can wrench myself, but been wanting to try out a “modern” vehicle for once. But not sure how these new technology motors will stand the test of time like the old days. There’s a reason old motors like the 22r/2rz/2jz last well into 200k
I bought the ZR2 and that engine is extremely powerful. The acceleration to pass other vehicles is exceptional.
i bought a 24 sierra crew cab in 4 wheel drive 2.7 turbo sold a 2013 z71 5.3 the 2.7 feels like a beast of an engine compared to the 5.3 love my 2.7 great choice
I'm still enjoying my 3.7 naturally-aspirated five-cylinder engine from 2011. It has more horsepower than the base engine in this 2023 Colorado. No cylinder deactivation, no turbo, no auto-start/stop, and it has plenty of long-lasting durability.
Sometimes it's good to keep those older trucks alive, if they work, why trade up. I recently purchased a 99 silverado (GMT 800) 2500 with a 6.0L V8, extended cab with an 8 foot bed. Has 320k km and mechanically sound. I want a new Tacoma or Canyon, but I paid $2000 for this truck, do I want to make payments for the next 6 years? Or is it worth it just to get a new truck?
@Wojtek Swiezak I agree. My 2011 Chevy Colorado cost me $26,000 brand new. The dealer actually had taken $4,000 off the MSRP. The new Chevy Colorado cost about $45,000, then you have to consider excise tax and everything else. My truck is running great, the only problem is rust on the frame. But I'm having that taken care of by NH Oil Undercoating rust converter and Oil treatments.
I drove and pulled with the 5 straight. This 2.7 has a ton more torque. And you feel every bit of it. In towing tourqe wins over hp. If top speed is what ya want then go for hp.
@@OrcaBoat3 the dollar literally lost 50% of it's buying power in that time however. So $26,000 in 2011 IS $45,000 today. Things didn't get more expensive, your dollar lost it's shit because the government prints money like madmen...
Don't forget reliability
That is good to hear, Made and sourced from N. America !! Thankyou for the info...
North America includes Mexico.
I have a 2016 Colorado Z71 crew cab and so far it’s been a reliable daily driver. I bought it new and it’s paid off. It still works and looks great. I have the V6 and with only 89k miles on the odometer it’s still got plenty of life left in it. The v6 should have been left as an option.
Pretty much same here. 2015 LT 6 cyl. bought new. Almost 90k miles with no problems. Wish I could still get the 6 with the long bed.
I have a 2016 canyon 3.6 with 101K on the clock. Solid truck runs like the day I got it 8 years ago. Actually better after I had the dealer do the ECM TCM update reflash.
Idk if you guys had that done but it cured any shifting issues I had.
However I'm not bothered by the turbo 4 at all. All that low end torque is really nice if you ever drove one.
The short bed is a problem for me though. That sucks no xcab option.
My son has this engine in his Silverado. I thought it would be a dog with a 4 banger, but was pleasantly surprised when I drove it. It pulls pretty hard. He has 70K trouble free, so far.
I just picked up a new ZR2 Colorado...same engine. Love this truck. Ive always been a V8 truck guy, but Im sold on this 2.7 turbo. Ive stopped trying to explain that to the V6 or V8 die-hards. If you dont understand it, go git yerself a V8 if it makes ya happy. Not my job to explain it to them. 😂😅😂
Thanks Sam Great Review
Very useful info not seen anywhere else. The L3B HO is clearly the best choice. Thanks very much.
I agree, that's why I just decided to order a GMC Canyon and pay a little extra so I could get this engine as standard on the GMC. I hope I won't be disappointed. I will let ya know once my 2wd 2023 Elevation gets delivered.
@@johnwhitneykokalis9990 all trims of the Canyon come with the HO?
@@bigd2256 Absolutely. ALL GMC Canyons get 2 inch or more lift, and 310/430ft lbs of torque. And wider stance than Colorado also.
@@johnwhitneykokalis9990 thank you for that. Currently have a 22 ZR2 but I’m thinking about switching out for the new Canyon. I want the AT4X but not available yet I believe
@@johnwhitneykokalis9990 i sm leaning towards trading my daughter of 2023 tacoma trd off road truck in on a 2923 gmc elevation or the better gmc at4x it just at4 4x4 truck.
My Tacoma gets horrible fuel economy driving in in northeast Tennessee on our hilly terrain highways in the tri cities by kingsport and johnson city areas at base of the cherokee national forest.
There are Way Too Many Parts to THIS Engine, if i Were to EVER Buy One, i Would Trade it in 1 Day BEFORE Warranty Expires. -- i Would Do THIS b/c Once Warranty Expires, it's Going to Cost a Fortune to Have it Repaired Regardless of the Repair Needed.
Got 204k miles on my 2.7 she runs like a top. I don’t tow anything thoe. I also change oil at 50 percent oil life.
Wow, what type of oil do you use?
Great to hear it.
That's good, I'm at 35,000 kms and the oil cooler needs to be replaced. I tow an RV occasionally but otherwise it's been a daily driver. I'm somewhat concerned about longevity.
We hear people bad mouthing engines all the time. It really does not matter on what company makes it, or whether it's a 4,6, or 8 cylinder. What almost all people go by is the oil life monitor. Modern day engines need more frequent oil changes. Especially the turbo engines. Doing that will eliminate a lot of the horror stories you here about.
Won’t Buy this if it has cylinder deactivation for a 4 cylinder engine stupid concept.
When you said fuel management, that is all I needed to hear.
GM reliability is very questionable in the last few years, especially cylinder deactivation.
And transmissions!
@@chrisb9478 That’s true. My daughter has a 2016 Surburban and the trans went out on it with around 150,000 miles. It rides and drives wonderful but it has had its issues but the cylinder deactivation has worked great so far and now it’s pushing 200,000.
Same thing can be said about all the brands. GM just gets all the attention because of the 8 speed which is fixed by now, and I would know because I have a 2019 sierra with 172000 miles with no problems, At all on anything on that truck. But it's still a looser truck because Consumer Report says so. The new Colorado and Canyon look 10 times better inside and out compared to all the competition out there if you were to be honest.
I bought the Range Solution Chip to plug in port under dash 2 keep it in 8cly mode, works great...
Doug I 100% with your statement. 8 speed has been problematic as well.
Thanks for getting more specific than I have seen elsewhere, about exactly how the base engine is "de-contented". The lack of piston-squirters and the weak-sauce transmission explain the lower towing rating, and the missing foam explains why people have observed that the base engine sounds "coarser". We know the price difference, once we see fuel efficiency we'll have the whole picture.
🤨 Count on GM to fall short on giving the customers a better product….
@@MrJEEPJT As a Chevy guy, I hate it, but have to agree, and I think that is the same for a lot of manufacturers today. It is all built to be more expensive to the consumer, break down and require more costly repairs than ever before
Yes ! We have already seen what happens to the piston oil jets! Gm had a nightmare with the 3.6v6 @@zman204
I like the idea that they pump coolant through the turbo to help keep it at a much lower temperature taking some of the stress off the oil but I’m sure it’s still a good idea to let it idle for two minutes before shutting it off
It most likely has an aux pump that runs after the engine is off briefly.
So, I have a 2013 Cruze, I bought it in 2018, and now in 2023, I have 75000 miles on it. I just had the water pump replaced under a "special" warranty, that was extended just for that part to 100000 miles. The thermostat/housing was cracked, the water outlet was leaking, as well as the oil cooler. The last 3 items I did myself, and the cruze has oil as well as coolant lines that run to it. to change the oil cooler, you have to remove the exhaust manifold/turbo assembly, and my turbo was cracked in 2 places internally. That is what I fear with all these new small turbo engines, especially from chevrolet is that they are priced premium, yet built with sub par parts
Water cooled turbos don't really suffer from the same heat soak spike that occurs with air/oil cooled only setups, so idle time really isn't needed. If it makes you feel better though, go ahead. Can't hurt.
The water pump and the fans can run with the engine shut off.
After towing, yes. After a regular drive, nah, maybe 30 seconds if paranoid.
I wonder if the polished crank was also for display here or is the factory item ground out? Amazing motor. Great technical review.
Wow great review very informative.
Glad you pointed out the differences, I'll either buy the zr2 or special order the ho motor now
I ordered a Colorado LT 4x4 with the L3B - HO. I Can't Wait !!! I didn't want to pay the ZR2 price so I got a lower trim level with all the power. We test drove a 4x4 Ranger and compared it to the 4x4 Colorado. The Colorado won "Hands Down" ! The hard part is waiting three months for the build and delivery.
I'd rather have the standard suspension anyways. The ZR2 is a lot of weight, a lot less capacity, a lot worse mileage, and a lot more strain on the components.
lots of things in common with the Toyota 2.5 liter Dynamic Force engine. Such as the electric water pump, variable oil pump. I like the Toyota engine better though because it does not have the 2 cylinder deactivation thing and also Toyota's port and direct injection fuel system to keep the valves clean.
yea not having port injection paired with GDI and AfM is a deal breaker for me (the AFM thing baffles me& its been crap since 2008)! toyota knows if they’re going to build motors with longevity those 2 things are a must ! the 3.5 dynamic force & the 2.5 both got it right & im assuming the new 2.4 that will be in new 4runner & taco will share the same tech
@@thisdayage7997 AFM on a 4 cylinder is a real head scratcher. It can only be for EPA numbers.
@@csinalabama ya a 2 cylinder turbo what could go wrong🤦♂️they designed the whole valve train around AFM & the camshafts are custom ground in house by GM for quality control….i ASSume it’s because its very finicky & unreliable otherwise….way too much going on in the valve train for engine to be reliable long term ! when they ran the 2.7 through a torcher test they said nothing about running it in AFM mode
Aren't these things designed to run hotter... can understand the port injection concern in a non-turbo, just unsure if the same issue on a hotter running turbo where the carbon is more likely to be burned. Also, not liking AFM because... it might save gas when going downhill? Do you really think it's active in normal driving? No.
This is all 'feelings' based, would need some numbers to understand the complaints. Kinda reminds me of what people said about the Ford 2.7L when it was new.
@@toddwerther188 Really two separate issues. GDI engines get carbon buildup on the valves unless port injected fuel cleans it off. It happens less with a high quality synthetic oil that is regularly changed. AFM engines activate when the engine is at speed and cruising. The AFM system causes lifter failure and oil consumption. There are lots of videos on GM's AFM problems. If you want to think the problem is solved, that is up to you. The issue of turbo engines getting hotter is a real concern. The oil breaks down faster in a turbo engine and should be changed no later than 5k miles. Turbo engines need better heat management than non-turbos, so do your homework on heat management before you buy a particular company's engines. For example, look at all the problems with head gaskets on small Ford turbo engines.
I have zero confidence in the longevity of little engines with turbos. Unless it says "Toyota" or "Honda" on the cam covers. If you sell the car after 4-6 years, you might dodge the bullet headed your way. Keep it any longer, and you will be spending lots of money.
Probably going to have the same issue with intake valves as for due to the direct injection not have fuel pass by the intake valve keeping it clean. Looks very complex and long term reliability is questionable.
yeah I'm a little worried about GDI as well i honestly wish they keep the 3.0l diesel or put the 2.8l diesel in their way better gas mileage id say since its smaller then the Silverado it would be even better on fuel id say about 33 city and 38 highway id still feel like the 2.8l would need a little bit more power but one more benefit diesels tend to last longer then gas engines just another reason but they dropped them for some reason and I don't know why honestly cause the turbo 4 banger might get more power but it gets a terrible 19 city and 23 on the highway and it has AFM I wish gm would at least leave the 4 bangers out of but I guess not this is all what's stopping me from getting the canyon
Don't like plastic crap but as a whole I like the heavy design and high torque. I'm too poor to buy anything but interesting.
27 pounds of boost hitting with good 93 gas or E85, on a GM or aftermarket performance tune to keep it up in the boost, timing and shift points would wake these way up. There is such a lag coming out of the hole from the throttle response (not turbo lag) ,and a couple flat spots in the acceleration. They pull way too hard then fall off like the engineers pulled boost or timing to be able to live with 87 octane.
No thanks on turbos I’ll keep my 2005 5 cylinders still going strong with 250,000 miles.
So what is the difference between the low output and higher output models? Tuning or different components?
A 4 cylinder turbo, with cylinder deactivation ?
I have had a very successful, 40 years career with forced induction, sounds like to me the drinking water from Flint has found its way into the Powertrain Engineering Dept. at G.M.
I'm in the market and this is the way it is going, not by market demand but by demand of the W.E.F. and the traitors in D.C. With that said the Toyota is also going to a 4 turbo and is $10,000 more? What are your thoughts on those of us needing reliability and utility in our trucks? I drive an 07 Frontier I bought new, 150,000 later still running good, but it won't be long. I'm a remodeling contractor and tow a trailer 3-4 times a week. Thanks
you never even feel when its running on two and power is instant it you touch the throttle beats the 5.3 hands down
@@buellscool1 just bought a 24 sierra with the 2.7 its a beast lot more power than the 5.3
this is all nice and cool, but I would rather have a 3.5 v6 naturally aspirated, that will last a lot longer than a turbo charged or supercharged engine. I will take longevity over a couple miles per gallon anyday
98% of owners will never keep the truck long enough to worry about longevity, its the American way.
GM ran that engine pretty hard in their durability testing with little to no wear. You can make anything robust with enough money. GM did drop their inline six project which confused me. One head and set of cams, no balance shafts, easy to turbo and electrify. I also like V6 and it makes sense for FWD due to short length. But a truck can have a long hood.
Every diesel engine is turbocharged, and they last for a very long time. So the issue isn't the turbocharger.
@@fightfortheright1776 This is false in more ways then one. I will just stop with the fact that all diesels do NOT have turbos.
Exactly. I wouldn't trust this at all.
I had an 06 with a 3.5 and it was great. Had no problems at all.
Sounds like it would be awesome, for as long as the factory warranty lasts
They want it to fail close to 100k miles so you have to buy another truck. Turbo on/with an aluminum block and aluminum heads is a recipe for failure.
@michaelgood1791 some of the strongest engines ever made have aluminum blocks. Some of the strongest engines ever made have turbo chargers. What in the actual hell are you saying😂
They now have a 10 year 160,000km warranty on this engine @@michaelgood1791
Shutting down cylinders on a 4 banger? turbo motor's aint for me as long as i can avoid them
Just go the 2024 WT with the Turbomax engine and towing package. Coming from a VW golf. Lol. The torque delivery is extremely different in the Colorado from what I’m used to. The power band is pretty evenly distributed on this engine/transmission set up. I don’t feel the pull very much of the turbo, but I’m at 75 on the highway before I realize it. So far so good on the Colorado! It’s the best looking Colorado in a decade, inside and out. A very capable truck.
I have a 2023 WT with the 2.7L
Vinyl floors baby
The only reason for the 4 cyl turbo engines is cheapest way to meet the EPA fuel consumption targets. All at the expense of the consumer.
Seems like a pretty nice setup, definitely a nice break down you did there thank you. I want to see what Toyota's setup is going to be on the Tacoma maybe not the most torque is the best idea cuz 20-27 lb of boost that's quite a bit, makes me concerned about heat soaking the turbo 🤷 Toyota uses air-water intercooler instead. I'll b looking forward to what's going on in midsize 🛻💨 segment
The electric waterpump is designed for excellent heat exchange as its centered to cool around the turbo first.
I doubt that will be a problem!
This is a promising design.
It uses some Diesel durability, so added bonus to buyers working the engine hard.
@@jemtec1 The “AFM” or cylinder deactivation on a “4” cylinder design🧐🧐 Nope deal breaker at least if it was always “4” cylinder operation I
Would say ok. Rest assured Whatever Toyota brings to market be it a turbo version of their very stout “2.7” 4 banger will be far better…
@@MrJEEPJT """Standard i-FORCE turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine produces up to 278 horsepower, 317 lb.-ft. of torque.
Available i-FORCE MAX turbocharged 2.4-liter four-cylinder hybrid powertrain produces 326 horsepower, 465 lb.-ft. of torque."""
@@gnd111 I’m not knowledgeable on the 2.4 4 cylinder engine … is it a new design ?? Does it have the industrial grade internal components of the 2.7 4 cylinder??? The HVAC company I work for services 3 dealerships most of the technicians in the service department have Tacomas or Tundras all of them give complimentary remarks on the 2.7
At work we have a 12 gmc sierra 2019 with this engine my truck has 357,497 km with no problems look like they put some thought into it
What one needs to know is the defective 8 speed transmission carries over. Forget it. Don't let the next gen talk fool you. Hell, don't take my word for it, consider this:
2023 Chevy Colorado Chief Engineer, Nick Katcherian, told GM Authority Executive Editor, Alex Luft, when asked if the eight-speed was all-new from the ground up. “We learned a lot from the first-gen eight-speed on this truck, we’ve taken all those learnings and added more componentry, and really tried to move the eight-speed to a position where we could be proud of. We know what the customers have been complaining about on the current generation and we fixed everything that we could within reason,” Katcherian added.
That means, GM couldn't fix ALL of the issues but they are happy to sell a mediocre product to you. GM - what a company.
"within reason”.... What a joke.
Now if they'd make an I6 version of it...
Based off the math of 50% more cylinders it would be 4.05L and in the 455 HP 645 TQ neighborhood. They would never build it that powerful but it sure would be awesome if they did. 2JZ slayer
@@brinleynicholson4588 considering they would have to be some revisions in the bore and stroke to get it somewhere in the 3.0-3.6 range and put the hp and torque somewhere in Stellantis 3.0 power range. I would think it could be a strout and reliable engine
I remember briefly GM had the atlas I6 and although it was naturally aspirated it responded well to aftermarket boost .
Love that display engine. Lots of powdercoated bits and polished tubing.
vincent narvaez The think is, you can't polish a turd.
Love this engine in my Colorado ZR2
What type of mpg are you getting?
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Hopefully this doesn't bend rods in eco 2 cylinder mode like the v8s. Would have preferred GM left cylinder deactivation out of this engine.
This exact engine has already been in production for several years with literally hundreds of thousands in larger/heavier half ton trucks…they aren’t bending rods.
The 2.7 does not have "rods" or pushrods. It's an overhead cam engine.
Hmm... GDI, turbocharging, cylinder deactivation and GM's 8L trans... This should be a safe bet outside of your powertrain warranty. Yep, nothing to worry about.
Hahaha 😂
Best comment of all! Gold star for you.
It’s a real pos no doubt.
It's a shame they used to offer a 100,000 mile warranty. Now it's 60k
these trucks probably drive very nice but i wouldn’t want to own one outside of the warranty.
When I see something like this from GM I can’t help thinking Vega and Quad-4.
Or like Toyota and rusting frames.
Elec fuel pump is made in China.
@@docholliday6285 thanks Doc, my 1 adult owned garage kept Matrix was a perfect example. The entire underneath was in worse shape than the Titanic, at only 60,000 miles.
@@docholliday6285 And will still have a million miles on it.
The ol' Iron Duke.
Did I hear, " Active Fuel Management" !
Robert Slegers More like active trouble. Actually, I sort of like the way they have done it. Much better than relying on oil pressure and Chinese valve lifters. If there is any quality in the parts it might be reliable.
Trifecta claims this motor can achieve 350hp/500trq to the crank! Can’t wait for this tune!
Great video about the details... thanks
Wondering if carbon buildup on the back of the valves might become an issue on account of the direct port injection. Otherwise, looks like a strong, light engine. Interesting that they charge you $395 to "uncork" the rest of the torque, lol. Probably takes a 5 minute firmware update.
I thought of that too.
Here's is what my mechanic told me. Carbon actually absorbs gas and with lower your mpg on an old school set-up then hardens making it impossible to burn off if not treated. We all know how a DI system works. Dump in Seafoam every oil change and it will keep you running and help remove it. How, since no fuel hits the valve? It does what the bottle say. Lubricates the surrounding areas and with vapor from Top Tier gas will clean it up.
The vapor of top tier gas will clean what; the surrounding areas? How about the carbon built up on the out side top of the admission (intake) valves? Heard it gets pretty bad carbon built up over there.
@@luisgonzalez8929 got a point. I’ve seen videos where you pull off the intake hose and dump a can through the throttle body to get to the upper end.
Check out the video from the guys at TFL when they interview the engineer about the design of the engine, lots of good info directly from the engineer. I believe he answered this question and if I recall correctly, that build up of carbon that has been seen on some other engines with DFI, has to do with how the crank case ventilation is designed.
Can the the Cylinder Deactivation be deleted?
I have a 2018 LT Colorado and has the 3.6 L engine. During the summer it gets close to 28 mpg. Now I am very disappointed that this engine is being done away with in the Colorado. The 2.7 turbo engine gets worst fuel mileage than the V6 3.6 L engine. I think that can be a mistake because many like me really like this engine. I do hope that in 2024 GM decides to also use the 3.6 L engine again. The mileage on the 2.7 tubo is less than the 3.6 engine and fuel costs are high.
are they higher when cruising on the highway or overall?
Overall @@Shadow-lq7rx
Great info!
Hope it works out BUT I will bet it does not pull as well as my 2017 Diesel and will not get nearly the mileage I get. GM never advertised the small Duramax. It is a great combination.
I'm just curious what these little giants actually do for fuel economy in the real world while towing. If not significantly better than one of the V8s (in the full-size trucks) I really don't see any advantage. I realize we're talking about the smaller trucks here but I also know you can get the 2.7 in the full-size trucks.
Poor fuel mileage!
It's important to note that this is not a full size truck but also, most people rarely drive around with anything in their truck. They just buy the truck for the look. If you plan on actually using your truck for truck things, a bigger engine would be a better choice, the down side would be lower fuel economy all the time.
@@frotobaggins7169 Right. Trucks make their decks look bigger than they are.
@@frotobaggins7169 As I stated, I am aware of that. And yeah, most people probably do that. My '19 Silverado has 38K miles on it though and roughly 1/3 of those are towing. Hence my question. I suspect that, like the Ford Ecoboost, this turboed engine will suck fuel at a high rate when towing.
I have a 2.7 in the Silverado and I’ve never got below 19 mpg. That is a crew cab 4 wheel drive. I can tell you towing the same trailer I got the same fuel economy as my 2018 with the 5.3. That truck is a double cab 2 wheel drive.the 2.7 gets way better fuel economy especially in city or mixed driving. Highway it averages about the same as my V8 truck. It is also a heck of a lot more fuel efficient than my 2020 ranger.
Can someone please explain how a 40lb ft and 7 psi increase on HO doesn’t also result in increased HP?! I mean it’s a math equation… if the engine run at 20 psi makes 310hp and 390lb ft of tq, how does the same engine make only 310 HP while increasing to 430 lb ft?
Most likely turbo is maxed out.
On old Dodge Daytona's with a 2.5 litre turbo engine that came with a tiny Mitsubishi TEO4 turbo and when you bumped up the boost the same thing happened.
Because the torque is spread at lower RPM, not higher RPM to increase peak horsepower. Horsepower is just function of torque and RPM. You can increase horsepower and torque at any RPM outside of peak horsepower RPM, which can inflate your peak torque figure yet still maintaining your peak horsepower figure.
My guess is the ECU maps between the two calibrations are basically the same at ~5k RPM where you'd make peak HP, and the bigger difference is in the lower RPM range around 2500 or 3k on the HO map and they've calibrated the wastegate to stay closed and build more boost there versus the "plus" map. So your 7 PSI difference between the two is probably in that 3k RPM range for the peak TQ difference, and otherwise have identical timing and boost mapping at 5k and making the same peak HP.
@@DavidGarcia-vh3ul 10 points to David.
Because boost is a measure of airflow restriction.
Needs port injection too, will keep intake valves clean. Ranger has same problem. New Tacoma engine will have both
Is there any way to deactivate the cylinder deactivation?
Probably if you trick the truck into thinking it's towing. Plug in a light tester in the trailer pin outlet
@@63Imp283 what if you select tow haul mode? I'm gonna test this tomorrow on my 2018 colly and see if it changes modes.
@@zbassr2106 I would think so. Find a good truck forum they will be able to help you with all kinds of questions. Let me know if the tow/haul button works. Only thing is you will have to do it every time you get in the truck
@@63Imp283Drove to work this morning, even with tow haul mode on it will switch to 4cyl. Mode.
ZbassR2 The best way is to deactivate your wallet at the showroom door.
has a 2023 canyon at4, when on a road trip,, from calif, to idaho, montana, n dataka and south, wyoming, came home 4800 miles avg 19.9 mpg,,, great truck
Active fuel management system is an engine killer and has been a major thorn in GM's side for awhile now. I will not buy GM any longer and I was a hardcore GM guy until around 2008 when the quality and reliability of GM took a major hit with the addition of AFM. Yeah you can deactivate it or have it deleted, but not until after the warranty has expired or you risk voiding the warranty. If you wait to delete or deactivate it for warranty to run out you risk damage being done by that time. Unless there is a way to deactivate it without losing warranty coverage that is. I went to Toyota for purchases in 08' and have not looked back. I still own one of the best trucks GM ever made though a 2003 GMC Sierra with a 4.8l engine.
Will be interesting to see how these fair long, long term. By the time we know, we'll be mandated to drive EVs if we want new cars.
Only if Americans elect libs!
I was thinking the same thing, by the time we know, you won't be able to get the proprietary parts that break. The cooling and oil systems seem overly complicated.
Lol. Doubt it.
TheJoncic It depends on how we interpret long term. I interpret it as until the warranty expires.
What does administration has gone gas I’ll be back under two dollars a gallon. EV cars will be dying off.
Pretty high-tech! Amazing they've done as well as they have. Long term though, LOTS of weak points.
I've seen the 2.7 with 8 speed hit 114k miles, 80k or more of those miles pulling 7200lbs trailers full time in the mountains. This is in the Silverado trucks. It's made a believer outa me. The high output is like a diesel running on gas. Weird but works.... and seems tough...
The electric oil pump comes to mind
@@ericj810 You consider 118,000 miles a lot of miles for a truck?
@@johnjriggsarchery2457 In a year..... for non commercial truck. Bet ya arse I do. Last time I laid that many down in a year was OTR.
Run Forest Run!
So is the low hp version any good? Not every body needs 300 hp.
Prob more durable in the long haul, less stress
The calibration through the parts department was 390 dollars but they charged me 180 dollars to install, someone on You Tube said I wasn’t suppose to pay for the labor that it was included in the price of my new Colorado Trail Boss, is this true, if so I’m taking my receipt and getting the labor money back!
Why wouldn't gm add port injection to? Cylinder deactivation and a chain drive in the rear of the engine just looks like trouble and a headache for any technician. I'm good I can see it from here.
If it's easier to do your own general maintenance I'm all for it.
Stick to the LS, LT, LV1.
Great engine, just trade it in before warranty ends and your golden 😊
Will order my ZR2 in April. Very pleased with this motor.
Don’t do it. This engine is a ticking time bomb. Tiny 4 cylinder with a turbo, direct injection AND gas cylinder deactivation…. Don’t buy it
@@tboe-cr8pz wrong
Really? How so? It’s a GM product….
@@tboe-cr8pz 2.7 displacement isn't really considered "tiny"
@@tboe-cr8pz Man you're speaking like a true fanboy of something else. You make it sound like all their products are garbage. If they were, people wouldn't buy them and their sales would be the worst.
How did it perform?
Boy isn't nothing like putting them injectors up high so if you needed to replace one or all you could get to them easily! All manufacturers are doin this making it harder and harder for the everyday guy to fix his own things instead in hopes that you take it to the dealer where unfortunately your warranty just won't cover the problem your having
Also #gm #gm needs to crate the h.o. motor with ecotec adaptors if it doesn't bolt right up to the older ecotec platforms like the LNF/LSJ!
Great job GM !
What octane gas does GM recommend on these 2.7L high output 310hp engines
If you look up the manual online, it says regular 87 is fine. Despite what all the keyboard warriors on here say.
Owners manual in my '23 Silverado 2.7 turbo sez 87.
This engine is also in the Cadillac peeps. Only they remapped their version for top end/ horsepower vs The torque/ mid range of this version.
Be kind of cool to have these as crate motors in both FWD and RWD applications
Nah, give me a naturally aspirated crate V8!!
Just got the 2024 WT. One question and 2 comments
No one can tell me if 10% ethanol is ok? Looked everywhere online and manuals.
Next, that turbo is loud af. Sounds like a whistling lawn mower. And finally, hallelujah a freaking timing chain. No belt bs.
Most gasoline in the United States has a percentage of ethanol. The auto manufacturer's design and engineer for it.
i keep seeing internet mechanics saying that this engine or tansmission will fail around 50-60k miles... idk if thats true or not. im not a mechanic. but i would like to get a new truck. Either a WT version with the upgraded mid tier engine, or the Trailboss or the Nissan frontier pro4-x... what do you guys think?
It is a complex engine and while it works it is impressive but how long will it last and when it does need repairs will it be able to be fixed without breaking the bank or will it be more likely replaced instead of repaired because of the cost.
This dude needs more subscribers!
After the video I changed the mind to buy Colorado, I like the tacoma hybrid more that this High Output 27 psi engine. In case if turbo fails, and such HO turbo will-the truck won’t bring you home :)
Those engines are like those messages from Mission Impossible at the beginning of every movie or series.
It's really great.. IF it lasts like a japanese engine. Period. I would really like to know the actual durability numbers, recalls, bulletins and service call items. Then we would know.
Liners are Nodular Iron, as are the main bearing caps.
Thanks!
Is the L2R built as tough ? Forged crank, longer head bolts etc?
Thanks for the reporting on this truck's most worrisome aspect.
These small engines that have forced induction are under a lot of more stress than NA. They won’t last as long as NA. Cylinder deactivation is a bad idea as well. Not good to have dramatically different cylinder temps.
Exactly right. Anyone looking to keep their truck for 10 or more years will be sad if they buy these. But it seems like most are leasing now so they won’t mind.
Most diesel engines have turbos but yet they are known to also run forever. A turbo is a pretty simple thing and if the engine is built for it, like this one, you'll be fine
@@mt186 but don’t turbo gas engines create substantially more head due to running at higher rpm’s?
@@usmc2msu213 The main factor in aware of for generating heat is the compression ratio. The compression ratio is substantially higher on a diesel, that is intentional since that's how the diesel fuel is ignited. This motor from GM runs at 10:1 and is designed to run on 87 octane because of the lower compression ratio. I don't see the turbo being a problem with engine longevity. I'm more concerned with the fuel saving "Eco" features. Btw, I do own a new canyon AT4 with this engine
Cylinder deactivation on a 4 banger?? This caused huge issues with the V8’s. What are we doing?
Thanks for this video. I just went to Chevy's Colorado Build page and looked at the base engine (L2R) paired with the (N8R) transmission vs the optional higher output (L3B) paired with the (MFC) transmission.
My question is, is the (N8R) transmission code = 8L45 transmission, and is the (MFC) transmission code = 8L80 transmission? I would assume so.
It seems that if you custom order a LT trim variant with the 310hp engine, the vehicle will be built with the (L3B). However, if you want to "flash" the base engine after production, the vehicle will be delivered with the (L2R).
Actually you have it backwards. If you want to get the updated HO flash then you need to order the truck with the L3B. The flash isn’t available on the base engine.
@@coop4274 I understand from the factory it isn't. I misunderstood what was said at 2:55 , I thought he had said Chevy said it could be flashed at the dealership. Instead they said, it was possible.
@Jose Delgado the base engine would be able to make the power with the flash but the lack of piston cooling and the less robust transmission are the roadblocks. Many of the
Thanks for the info, I wonder why they even bother with the PLUS version
Wonder what this engine weighs in long block form?
Electric waterpump have very high failure rates, just ask anyone who has dealt with a BMW.
BMWs have a high failure rate, period.
Great informative video! I just picked up a 24 Colorado Z71 and I love it! Sub’d for more great content!
If only all that would work as advertised, it would be fantastic. If only.
I love my 23 turbo
Great review of the engine package. What brand and weight engine oil does GM prescribe for these 2.7 turbos?
See the owners manual ;).
@@TDTVGarage RTFM! Right? 😆
The 2021 Sierra has this engine however I don’t think they detuned the engine for certain trims
I have the 2021 model and at first it was great but at 92k miles a rod broke and was causing a misfire
Fortunately for me I have the extended warranty and it covered all the expenses but the service from the local dealership that I purchased the truck at was horrible they had me without a vehicle for nearly 5mths without even offering a loaner vehicle due to them facing parts issues and the replacement engine having some damaged parts due to transportation, even tho it was inside a crate.
This engine is great and so is the transmission but the first issues came from :
Oil control pump (inside the oil pan)
Transmission oil control pump(inside the transmission)
Purge valve
Radiator failed too soon
These small issues were quick to be fixed but the radiator failing with a small leak and even the replacement failed with the same issue
Idk but 3 yrs into this truck idk how other people are doing with this engine bc if they have a fleet and drive the trucks as much as I do I don’t understand why my truck was riddled with problems
I had a 2015 Malibu LT and if it wasn’t for an accident which totaled my car I would still have most likely the highest mileage 2015 Malibu with 270k miles and that car never gave me problems like this new engine in these trucks have given me
I have the 2022 Canyon in the V6. Recently heard and read now GMC and Chevrolet is having a hard time selling these Canyons and Colorado's. Think they screwed themselves from not offering 6 cylinder at least. Lots of people are buying the Honda Ridgeline or the Nissan Frontier cause they offer them in V6. Now days you almost have to buy a 4 cylinder if you want to or not, on almost everything or model. IDK why so many people bought 4 cylinders for this long for. Specially people live in rocky and very hilly terrain. Used to owned a 4 cylinder and never again.
I would consider to buy a 5 cylinder someday. As long there is 6 and 8 cylinders I will keep buying those, not unless I try out a 5 cylinder.
where can I get all these parts in chrome as this motor has??