Chevy Big Warranty News on 2.7L Engines
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Chevy has raised their warranties on the 2.7L engine in the Silverado for the 2024 model year!
This is a great move, and I feel it is intended to head off criticism of the enginein advance.
Suprisingly, it does not apply to the 2.7L in the Colorado!
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I bought the 2023 Chevy Silverado 2.7 l turbo December 14,2023. It was used had 20993 miles on it. I pulled my trailer with a load of gravel roughly 5000 lbs just in the gravel add another 1400 lbs for trailer. The truck is a beast I wasn’t worried about the truck but the trailer I had my doubts with. Went 78 miles loaded with gravel and used maybe 1/8 of a tank of gas. The truck really impressed me, few things I’m not sure about is the lane assist and following distance. Do like the remote start do like Chevy app where gives you the basic info on how you’re truck is doing. Tire pressure fuel level and estimated mileage. So far I’m very happy with this truck. Used to be a ford guy now thinking about sticking with Chevy
Ya the engine and even transmission is really great so far. Pulls extremely well. Over 200k no issues pulling 7400#.
i love mine. mine is a 2021. do u guys think a oil catcher can is needed in the 4 cylinder silverado?
Industry plant YOU are Sir. Cut it Out!...
Considering how much trucks cost these days, a 100K mile warranty isn't that long. A 200k mile warranty needs to be the new normal. Make a warranty longer to prove the durability.
Won't happen I have a 2014 focus st with 265,000 miles it's been a decently reliable car but if this thing was under warranty the dealer would go bankrupt being nickel and dime to death was $15 hoses and brake calipers here and there now for my perspective that's not major maintenance but to a dealer they'll go bankrupt
@@TwoDollarGararge they can make it powertrain only not bumper to bumper. They can also limit it to the major components and require parts to be replaced at certain intervals like the hoses as a prerequisite to keeping the warranty going. It just needs to be outlined in the manual.
@@colinschmitz8297 of course they will have their lawyers go over it so they can get out of as much work as possible lol I believe the industry standard for "life time" is 120k or 140k
They could do 200k, but they would have to stop the lie of extended oil change intervals, which is marketing and epa bs. They would have to stop the "lifetime transmission fluid and differential fluid" marketing and epa lies.
Owners would actually have to adhere to correct maintenance schedules that engineers and mechanics know needs to be there. Marketing wants to sell a vehicle that appears maintenance free. And they are, for the short warranty period.
@@Resistculturaldecline but that would require maintenance something Americans don't like doing they like to run their car on spit bubblegum and the cheapest parts around basically your average Chevy 350
Sounds like GM has heard concerns coming from customers and want to reassure them it won’t be a problem. 👍🏻
GM needs to work harder on making their transmissions reliable.
@jakewade7388 here at gm we design million mile cars with parts designed to fail at 100,000..😂
@mikeries8549 parts designed to fail at 50 thousand rather
Traditional truck buyers: "We want a powerful engine that will be reliable and last for years and be easy to work on if there is an issue. And no cylinder deactivation." GM: "Great! Here is an unproven 4 cylinder turbo no one asked for, so enjoy!"
So in short the average truck buyer wants there Chevy 350 that cost $5 to fix back and will run for 300,000 miles as long as the oil is changed
Bring back the GMT-800 V-8’s that came in the 1999-2006 trucks. Also the 2007 Classic model. The 4.8 and 5.3 before AFM was an issue. That’s why you keep your 2006 Silverado or GMC 5.3 and the 2500 HD Duramax that didn’t need DEF
They deactivated 4 cylinders…permanently
@@fodder_time true🤣🤣🤣🤣but it probably deactivates 2 of those 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@fodder_time I know.they didn't have the computer chips in 2021-2022 and didnt have AFM but had understood they restarted in 2023.
My guess would be that people are skeptical of a full size truck having a 4 banger in it. Sales are probably down. I may be alone, but I only drive about 9,000 miles a year. So 100,000 mile warranty is useless to me. So 5 years then. Here's an idea for all the manufacturers. Try not sticking it in my ass for a new vehicle, period. $45 grand for a mini truck, and $55 to 65 grand for a full size is just out of reach. Maybe not reach, but common sense says, I'd be an idiot to pay that much. And I guess like I said above, if I'm paying that much, I want cubic inches! There is no substitute for cubic inches. Lower your prices and you'll sell them. No, not some bs $500 off if I can fit through the key drop off slot at the dealership. $10 grand is a nice round number. Don't let them fool you, they could easily drop $10 grand off across the board.
In reference to your cubic inches comment, that depends on what you’re going to use the truck for. For example, I don’t tow or haul so I’m not very concerned with small engines. More over maximum torque is around 2000 RPMs on these little engines. So it’s not like you’re winding them out to 8000 RPMs.
I like that the 4 cylinder was built from the start to be turbocharged and want to believe it is a good choice. On the other hand, I don't trust the longevity of turbos and the complexity that comes with them. I still want a naturally aspirated bigger engine.
They can beef up the short block to look like a top fuel dragster, but the low ring tension in the moving-goal-post quest of fuel economy will end up in fuel dilution of the oil with the added cylinder pressure of needing the same hp from a smaller chamber.
Turbos can be made to be reliable. I’ve owned a Turbo Volvo that was bulletproof. It’s a matter of the competence of the engineers who designed the motor.
@FlatlanderGear The EPA and never-ending, ever-restrictive demands isn't allowing for sound engineering. That's the mess we're in. Turn engineers loose with their knowledge and they could build them to go 500k miles, routinely. But not while trying to meet impossible restrictions set forth by non-engineers.
@@ResistculturaldeclineLow tension rings don't necessarily mean a bad engine. Take as an example my 1980s Subaru EA71S, installed in a 1979 Subaru DL. This is a factory race engine, never was intended for street use, with low tension rings and 13:1 compression and a very big cam. Unknown mileage when I got it. I have put 180,000 miles or so on it, and it is still in perfect shape. Yes it smokes blue on deceleration, normal for those rings, but it doesn't have any issues with abnormal wear. Fuel dilution is really not that bad over a 5000 mile oil change. And that's a carbureted engine with high compression and a big cam. It's built with 1980s metallurgy. It does run 5w50/10w50/20w50/10w60 oil, but the 2.7 doesn't run 0w-16 or 0w-20 or any oil that thin either. It runs 5w-30. Do I think it should probably run the same 5w-50 as the Z06 Corvette? Yes, that would probably be a much better idea, but considering that most cars now are running 0w-20 or thinner, 5w-30 is pretty good. I don't think it's a bad engine, and I think GM is just preparing for the upcoming regulations. At some point it's no longer going to be possible to buy a V8, and considering the issues with AFM now, I wouldn't even now. The choice would be between the 3.0 Duramax and the 2.7. I would pick the diesel most likely but wish it was available in a single cab long bed. Those are only available with the 2.7 from what I have seen.
@@FlatlanderGear +1 - agree! We have 2 volvo cars with with around 150K miles on each. Both run great on their original turbo and engines. One of them burns about a qt per 5000 miles, the other burns so little its indistinguishable between oil changes.
The difference with the 2.7 compared to many turbo 4s is that it runs down the road loaded and climbing hills at 2.000 rpms. Not 7. It makes V8 torque down very low. Not sure I'd buy one but I like it.
Bought a new 22 silverodo in February with the 2.7. Was reluctant at first, but have 11000 miles on it now. Have to say I like it so far. It reminds me of the in line 6s I've had in the past. Happy with the power, and ok with 21.7 average gas mileage. If you are looking for a daily driver, I would recommend the 2.7. I've had no problems with it so far.
I have the later model 2.7 22’ i now have 20,000 miles on it. I did have the turbo replaced @4500 miles. I still love the truck. I was wondering. If the motor ever went out. Can i replace it with a V8
My brother has his at-the dealership I work at we are having to replace the blown up motor at 28673 miles. Don’t use this 1/2 Chevy pickup with this motor to do towing and real work. It won’t last. This warranty won’t last one this engine is going to put them in financial trouble
Too early to tell. 11000 miles is nothing. We need to wait15-20 years and 200,000 miles to really tell how much Warranty chevy is going to give.
I think that this motor is just filling the gap until the new V8 they have been working on comes out. Then they will use that motor in everything.
2.7 is garbage and they know it
I get ~20 with my '15 5.3L with a AFM disabled tune. Not a lot worse and towing it doesn't work quite as hard.
I bought a 2023 in March of last year and love it. I sold my 2007 V8 and now at 5000 miles (it's not really even broken in), it's getting ~20% better gas mileage which is HUGE. I never owned a turbo but, as an engineer I read about this engine and said "I have to try this" There is a bit of turbo whine but I still like it. On the freeway I passed three cars and a semi, the wife freaked, but it went from 50 to 100 like crazy!!! I wish Chevrolet would extend this new warranty to the 2023 as it's the same engine but heck I'll be dead before I get 60K on it.
I wanted to see better mpg, at least 25 would be great. It's pretty sad getting only 2 mpg better than a 5.3 v8. Given the option, I'd still choose the v8 right now.
I finally heard one the other day and it was not good
For the most part, it takes a certain amount of BTUs to move a given mass, a given distance, in a given amount of time. Assuming two identical vehicles are driven with the exact torque to the tire/ground, but with two different displacement engines, the mpg difference will most often be negligible. As we see with 2.7 vs. 5.3
Any mpg gain will be weight related, smaller engine being lighter if all things are equal, and the smaller engines of easily produced acceleration. Most poor fuel mileage from larger engines is a yield of the driver subconsciously using more of the larger engines ease of torque production. In summary, I much prefer a larger, more at ease engine, driven conservatively. Basically the same mpg, but longer service life.
Agree. I'm stunned that my 9 year old 5.3 gets only 2-3 less mpg and was fraction of the cost of these new trucks. It doesn't have to work nearly as hard as this little thing to move the 6k lb truck.
@BabyGators My old 1992 v8 silverado 2wd got 19mpg average. About 17 in town and 22 hwy. Fuel mileage hasnt really increased in 30yrs. It's just most maintained, but with ever-increasing vehicle size, weight, and complexity. Reliability is going down in the last 10 yrs.
My daily driver since 2007 is a 2001 model Dodge 2500, 5.9 diesel, 6spd manual. I get 19.5mpg combined when empty tank after tank, year on end. I get around 13mpg with a 9,000lbs trailer. New diesels wont get that mpg, but new buyers have convinced themselves they need 450hp/1000lbs of torque in an 8k lbs.
I have one and I'm getting 24 on the highway
I bought a new 2.7 in 2020 and got another in 2021 then went back to a 5.3 in 2022, and just traded it in on a new 2024 2.7 last week. it's a damn good motor and pulls heavy loads like it's nothing.....try it you will like it.
My main concern with these modern smaller engines is the lack of maintenance they are very maintenance sensitive something most people don't do
I have this engine. What maintenance do you mean?
@@Day-dreamer488 regular oil changes flushing the coolant changing the transmission fluid on a regular basis replacing plastic turbo hot pipes that love to break and leak oil direct injection plastic coolant lines that crack over time and if you don't pay attention to your vehicle will start to overheat as it's low on coolant it's no Chevy 350 but they can be decent
@@TwoDollarGararge cool, ty
Like many others, I, too, thought this was a mistake for GM to put a 4cylinder in a full-size truck. This was introduced back in 2019, and I resisted the idea. Here we are in late 2023; the motor has proven to be all it was designed for. Last month, I purchased a GMC Sierra Elevation with this engine, and my skepticism is gone. I LOVE this truck! I tow a 4800-pound travel trailer through the Colorado Mountains with no issues. I'm very impressed and pleased; the only drawback is what was already mentioned: the MPG is much better than the V8. Then again, I didn't purchase a 5K pound truck for gas mileage. Guys, do your research and then jump in. You will be safe. :)
Not gonna buy a new truck for any reason. My budget is in 4 digit territory, not 5.
Just picked up my 2024 Silverado 1500 Custom with the 4 Cylinder TurboMax and they now come with the • 5 YEAR / 100,000 MILE*
POWERTRAIN LIMITED WARRANTY, ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE & COURTESY TRANSPORTATION. Nice suprise, was not expecting this.
I just purchased the silverado 2.7 and ive always been a hardcore V8 kinda guy, but let me tell you i am thoroughly impressed with this motor. I tow between 3k - 6k pounds everyday with a trailer and it pulls it like its not even behind me, its truly incredible. Im a believer. Love this truck
If the 2.7L stays in production for awhile, and they work out any kinks, I believe it will become the most desirable light truck engine over time as people get to know it. It makes more than V8 power at high elevation and is set up to build boost at very low RPM so it can produce that effortless immediacy of a big engine. My wife and I both drive Volvo cars with pragmatically tuned turbo's. They aren't trying to be "high strung" rather, they come on the boost almost immediately and have very flat broad torque bands that makes them feel effortless. The 2.7 appears to me to be a similar sort of approach. I also think that turbo's can last a very long time as long as they are maintained properly. Both of ours have ~150K miles on them and still going great. Oil changes at appropriate intervals with full synthetic with appropriate HTHS and detergency to go the distance. An oil with Dexos1 Gen3 (aftertreatment compatible) and A5/B5 (>2.9HTHS + high TBN) on the label is a good target for the 2.7L.
I think it could also be to incentivize orders/sales for the 2.7 in order to improve their fleet average CAFE/Emissions numbers. Increase sales of the more efficient and less polluting engine, raise your EPA/CARB numbers, and they don't have to engineer a new solution or anything, just change a few numbers on a piece of paper.
Except in reality it's often less efficient than the V8 😂
@@rotaryenginepete EPA fuel economy test cycle is all the feds care about. And emissions especially, idk the numbers off of the top of my head, but I guarantee the CO2 and NOx output of the 2.7 is way way less than the 5.3
@@Black-Villain like I said, in reality the 5.3 beats the 2.7 in both power and economy, which ultimately means emissions too
@@rotaryenginepete Not really. That's like saying you're putting out less emissions by running an engine lean because less fuel in means less emissions out. There's so many more factors that go into emissions (and not just CO2 emissions) than fuel economy.
EPA test cycle for the 2023 Silverado w/ the 5.3, 10spd, and 2wd is 16 City, 20hwy, 18combined. Test Cycle for the same truck w/ the 2.7 &8spd are at 19 city 22hwy. That's roughly an 18.75% and 10% increase (respectively) in economy. Not a lot in the real world, but in the eyes of the EPA, when you're selling hundreds of thousands of trucks.... That's a massive boost to your fleet average
@@Black-Villain yes really, because in real life you have to stand on the pedal to get the 2.7 to make V8 performance. That means more fuel. It's simple math.
Thanks for the positive opinion. I think this is the truck for me. Hauling an UTV or lawmower etc. and not lots of weight. I believe in this engine for my needs.
I'm looking at one, I tow a 4k boat, all of 9 miles. Not everyone needs 12k towing capacity. Plus you can get a deal on these
I bought a Colorado two weeks ago and I purchased the 100,000 mile warranty. It tows my 2,500-3,000lb camper and camping gear very well here at over 10,000 ft elevation, and that is good nuff for me!
Good stuff!
Including the 8 speed transmission in that warranty is huge. I honestly trust the new motor more.
I have the high output in a2023 Colorado. High for mileage of 31.5, usual driving is 24.5. Really reminds me of driving a diesel, does almost everything under 2000 rpm’s. Tows a dump trailer 3000 pounds like it isn’t there. Very happy so far👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for sharing!
Glad you're impressed with the engine. Me, not so much as, currently, my 2022 Silverado Custom, equipped with said 2.7 Turbo engine, is in the dealership for an extended stay. That's because, at just over 54k miles, the engine began to "knock". Dealership tells me it's a rocker arm issue and they're not quite sure if there's any other "damage" until they "dig" into it further. Not being a huge mechanic type guy, it concerns me that there's more trouble brewing down the road once this is repaired. Thanks goodness it IS still under warranty.
Any updates on your truck? 2.7L
good info at a good time for me. i recently ordered a 2024 reg cab, standard [short] bed and it is only available in WT trim level w L3B as the only available engine. good to hear GM is extending warranty it shows their confidence is stong w new engine.
2024 Turbomax GMC Sierra 1500 PRO: I love how this motor and transmission puts power to the ground. Similar in feel to the 3.0 duramax. Very quick off the line, little to no turbo lag, fast and shifts smooth. After 20 years of owning V8 GM's I am happy I made the switch. (Bonus, installed borla exhaust and turbo whistle and hiss sounds great)
I absolutely LOVE my 2022 2.7! I pull y Toy Hauler and Smoker with it, no problems. Glad they upped the Warranty!!
You are exactly right, when they started putting v6 engines in sedans many years ago people said they will never last you got to have a v8. People don’t like change. Ford has a 2.7 v6 and it seems to be quite popular and durable? Same displacement. The extra warranty is to build confidence.
The Ford 2.7 has no cylinder deactivation, and gets much better fuel economy than this 4 cylinder.
@@mkyhou1160 Which vehicles have the FORD V6 2.7L engine?
@@chetmyers7041 it’s the base F150 engine. It’s been reliable since they put port injectors on it in 2017. It’s had more problems on the Broncos (seem to be resolved now):
A 4 cylinder in a full size truck just seems stupid to me and is just my opinion and still can’t believe it. I don’t care if it’s a big CI engine or that is has a turbo or whatever. GM hasn’t made a dependable pick up truck since the GMT 800. Every GM vehicle that I had within the last 20 years (except for 2001 2500 HD) has been a disappointment and just a flat out piece of 💩.
The way to improve it is to cancel it and bring back the 4.3L. I don't trust anything GM makes that has turbos and no pushrods.
Have to move beyond the 50 year old tech...... This engine puts out very impressive numbers to v8 standards. Europe has been doing that with little engines forever and they work. My work ordered me a new truck and I picked the 2023 Colorado Trail Boss, looking forward to getting it. Watching and reading about the engine design is very impressive. Heck I have never owned personally or driven a long period of time GM vehicle. Currently drive a 2014 1500 RAM 3.6 v6 for work and its been extremely reliable and functional in this truck. 203,000 miles now. Heck, if I'm being honest I'm a TESLA fan boy. LOL
Have a 94 Sonoma with 335000 on it with a 4.3 motor and its awesome, definitely wish they would bring it back for the Colorado and canyon I would by one in a heartbeat. Dont trust the 2.7 turbo at all.
2000 Silverado 1500 2WD. 4.3 has over 350,000. Never been opened up. Doesn't use nor burn oil. The first 100,000+ miles it was a GM Goodwrench parts truck. Next owner put another 100,000 pulling trailers for lawn service. I've put the rest doing various jobs. Aside it has typical GM cancer in rocker panels and cab corners. The frame will give up long before the Vortex motor. Best motor ever made. Tough, easy to maintain and got good gas mileage.
Then why do people keep buying their vehicles? If there is no trust in a company that has been making vehicles for well over 100 years then they shouldn't be rewarded with sales. These are the companies that should go away. IMO
@@bradh7472 I did quit buying them after they stopped using the 4.3 motor, the next truck I bought was a Nissan frontier and I plan on buying another Nissan frontier as long as they keep putting a V6 in.
The bean counters have it all figured out , they kind of have there cake and get to eat it to , to exclude the Colorado mitigates claims while easing peoples minds about the 2.7 purchase. its possible they could announce an ammendment to the Colorado its just not plausible I think. I bought the 2.7l and to am concerned at Some point I will delete the active fuel management, its not so much i'm concerned about the engine itself I'm worried about its all the supporting components and sensors going the distance, when you listen to the engineer about what they did to the 2.7 piston sleeves , forged bottom , beefed up ribbing , forged rods, rings, Tri bearings , oil jets under pistons its all good stuff , but if there is a catastrophic failure someplace else that they might have skimped on it might derail everything and only time will tell. I remember once they asked Bob Lutz (GM) a question and he answered "Do you think we cant make something last forever it comes down to the price point , there's only so much money that can go into every part for that price point and still make a profit" spoken like a true bean counter.
I think it all depends on what you consider an acceptable lifespan of the vehicle. All other things being equal, the more complex and "tuned" and engine is, the lower the longevity. Looking at data from Fuelly, the average MPG of a Sierra 1500 with the 2.7 is about 18.4. My 2022 GMC
2500HD 4x4 with the 6.6 gas averages right at 16 MPG. Figuring 12,000 miles a year and fuel at $3.50 a gallon, the net savings is $343 dollars per year. My question is does the complexity justify the results?
Umm My 2004 Envoy I-6 has 200,000 miles on it. From what I understand not that unusual.
No engine oil leaks. Exhaust is cracked. Makes noise until gets hot.
No transmission leaks and shifts like it should. MPGs not exacly 4 cylinder style
Interior? Well that is not so good. But the radio with real knobs on it? Still works.
My neighbor has a 2015 F-150 that is a part time skeeter chaser when you 1st start it.
But he also lets it sit until it stops smoking.
Yep the smoke police will give you a ticket for that.
Much quicker than that rancid THC smell coming from the open widows.
Guess that will meet CARB and CAFE standards pretty soon.
Because I see a new truck will be in his driveway pretty soon.
I am pretty sure it needs head work done to that V-8.
Yep that meets the manufacturing and CARB goals. Also real soon.
Your 💯 % right!...... All I am seeing from these manufacturers that are going with Turbo Forced Induction Inline 4cyl, are engines that are NOT AS EFFICIENT as they should be !
I owned a silverado with the 2.7 for six months and milage was average till the hot weather hit. Then it went to around 14 mpg on average with the ac on. After that I traded it for a another new Silverado with a 5.3 and on that engine I'm getting 17 mpg in town driving with the ac on almost all the time and that's with only 500 miles on it. So I think the 2.7 does about the same as the 5.3 until you put a load on it and then it shows how hard it has to work just to keep up.
The answer is no
If I had money I'd buy a new truck with the GM 6.6 gas, solid reliable engine with none of that AMF DOD crap. Since I don't have that type of money to spend I'll go for a new GMC 1500 single cab with the max turbo engine. It's not like I'm going to be towing anything so I figured it should last me a good while.
I bought the 2.7 turbo in my trail boss and I love it. It’s so fast. At first I was hesitant but after driving it I took a chance and fell in love. I had the Silverado 5.3 and the 2.7 is quicker and pulls my enclosed trailer like it’s nothing
But how long is it going to last ? Big ? Mark ! Is it going to be reliable ? Is the biggest concern.
I have a feeling they are trying to move these trucks because no one is buying. There is no way I would buy one at this point. To much complexity for things to break and it ending up being a money pit later in it's life.
Has anybody driven these turbo bangers past 150,000 miles yet? Is it still running? 250,000 miles? At the end of the day it's still a FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR FOUR CYLINDER TRUCK... WOW
Well the engine has been out for about 5 years now, but I have't seen/heard anything specifically about how those older ones are holding up.
Yes my mom's 2011 Taurus SHO 3.5 140,000 runs and drives fine The only thing we've really had to replace was a fuel pump at 120k my daily 2014 focus ST has 265,000 on it there's little plastic hoses and stuff like that I've had to replace but besides that it's been a great punchy motor
@r rnt45t15 I TOO, WRITE IN ALL CAPS WHEN I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT WANT TO FEEL IMPORTANT. Ah, that felt good.
Yes, GM has.
I picked up a 2024 1500 RST w a 6.2l for $57k
My 2023 Canyon has the 2.7 and with 6k miles i have had no issues and get 19mpg combined city and hwy miles. Great engine so far and i rarely go over 3000 rpms because i don't need to if i am just cruising from stop light to stop light of going 75 mph down the interstate.
I currently own a 2021 Silverado with this engine. I leased mine because I was hesitant.
No one in my family or that knows me could believe I did it.
I am a former Diesel mechanic. I have built up high performance engines since I was a teenager. I love big block v 8 s but have built a lot of small block V8 s.
Many years ago I adapted a turbo to a ford 300 6 cyl engine and made it my daily driver for a toeing rig.
Otherwise I towed with Diesels including my favorite Dodge Cummins.
I can attest to the power of this engine. It has more low end grunt and torque than many of my V8 s from the past.
It feels like a diesel in the way it runs and tows but can wind up higher on the RPMs. I torture tested it towing A max load through the Midwest on I 80 from Nebraska through Iowa.
Anyone that has ever towed across country can tell you what I'm talking about.
High winds from different directions and up and down hills that seem to go on forever.
The truck gets 25 mpg empty on the interstate and over 30 mpg on the flats at 55.
It drops like a rock towing but with premium gas towing heVy through the hills at interstate speeds I still managed between 10 to 13 mpg .
The combination is a towing beast. They just need to put a bigger gas tank in it.
The one downfall is engine braking downhill. There is no engine displacement to use engine compression to hold you and the load back on steep grades.
The engine revs up and you are constantly on and off the brakes. Thisis bad thing but not the engines fault.
1/2 the motor means 1/2 the engine compression to help holdthe load. If you tow around steep grades you are better off with a large cu in. Displacement motor.
I don't know if the engine will last a long time. I don't like the engineering on somethings.
A gear driven oil pump is more reliable and I know that yhe turbo and fuel mileage was one teason that they chose a different oil system.
I don't like dropping cylinders or variable adjust turbos. The dual volute is brilliant and the turbo spins up quick.
Time will tell.
Just don't feed it ethanol gas, they don't like it.
If you tow heavy, feed it premium. Run 1 tank full the week before you plan to tow to let it learn to run on it.
It will take a little bit to learn when you first start towing heavy but will come out of it and you will feel the difference in power.
Get into the turbo once in awhile to keep everything moving right. Don't lug it at low speed constantly trying to keep the mpg up.
Trick it into 8 th gear by running the speed up to near 70 and then slowly dropping back down to 65 to 67 to get max mpg on the highway.
It will never let you have 8 th gear in tow haul mode empty or towing.
Great comment. I have the later 22’ i hear it has more torque than 19’-early 22’ Im pleased with the power. And it looks good
Wow. Nice commment. Love my TurboMax!
Great comment, thanks for sharing the experience-based info and knowledge👍🏻
Love mine!!
2021 2.7 turbo engine, I’m at 56000 , use premium gas and change oil at 5k . I’m having a clicking/ clacking sound coming from my hood now . Maybe fuel pump I’m not sure taking it to Chevy this weekend hopefully warranty covers
I bought last month Silverado LT 2023 2.7 very happy with best average 7.3l/100km.
Happy with my 2023 2.7 liter turbo HO Silverado Trail Boss. Two full synthetic Mobil 1 oil changes (with filter) so far and not even made it to 7000 miles.
I have a 2021 custom that I bought new that they say needs an engine at 74k miles. Mostly highway miles not pulling a trailer. It started with a lifter tic. Mary only cares about how the stocks are doing.
I wasn’t a fan of the 2.7 and honestly was a big critic at the beginning, then they improved the power numbers significantly and actually put it into the Colorado, which I thought was a much better fit. I started to pay attention to the amount of 2.7’s I worked on vs the v8s and I understand that the v8 is the volume seller but I must say that I’m impressed because I have only ever done EVAP repairs (purge valves and purge pumps) and I have actually worked on multiple trucks that had over 100k on the 2.7. I’m still a total skeptic but it might be solid. A good rule of thumb for GM is if they put that engine in the express vans it’s proven and solid.
You are being altogether too nice to gm here. The gm pushrod v8s are hardly a great yardstick for reliability right now. How can they be trusted with a clean sheet, high tech design when they managed to bungle a basic cylinder deactivation system on an engine that's been around for 20 years? I would not recommend any gas Silverado or v6 Ford to anyone who values their time and money.
The problem is this is quickly becoming essentially any modern engine
And if you have a 3 or 4 cylinder turbo and you don't keep up with the maintenance or you do oil changes every 10,000 mi you will destroy that motor
I have a 2021 model Silverado with the 2.7l… 4x4 for a personal truck. I also have a 2021 model Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3 as a work truck. Both give a fine performance and have no problems with either. You are right with the gas mileage my 2.7 gets less than 1 mpg better than the 5.3 but what ever… both trucks perform well for their intended purposes so there ya go!
Oh… I paid 39,500 for my personal truck LT trim, but got a 5year 100,000 mile extended warranty for $2,500 lol…
One thing most people don't really consider or realize is that these smaller turbo engines tow better than v8's because of the amount and way they distribute torque. They perform more similar to a turbo diesel in how they put out torque. GM is saying they've overengineered this engine and backing it up with the warranty. And you can look at dyno charts and real-world towing reviews to see how the torque comes in.
I have a 2022 trailboss with the 2.7 T. it’s not even comparable to a v8 and it absolutely chugs fuel when it has to work at all. I’ll never buy another one.
First I was bummed to hear this improved warranty is not gonna cover my new 2023 ZR2 Colorado. But then I realized the essence of this move by GM is that of confidence in the engine. Confidence that ultimately means I won't actually need to be covered by an extended warranty, which is actually better than being covered and needing the coverage.
Not trying to be your joy confidence killer but let me let you in on a little reality with corporate minds sitting around a think table discussing how they are gonna move these trucks because right now most are piling up at the dealers, sitting for weeks, months, not being sold. Yes people are leery of them and they should be! Solution for GM is to raise the warranty by only mileage, not time! Why not time because most people will not reach 100k in 5 or 6 years so their time runs out, not the mileage. It makes the consumer think, "Oh GM really believes in these trucks". Don't drink the koolaid my friend, these greedy bastards don't give 2 f's about your truck being reliable, it's all about sales and getting those numbers. Everything is a con and a gimmick to get the consumer to shell out the dough for their snake oil. The longer these trucks sit, the more money they are losing!
@@BigEbikesports- So what is the endgame? You want it all to come crashing down? How about all those GREAT paying jobs, especially now after the renegotiations? That's thousands of direct jobs. Oh and don't forget the even larger army of jobs at the component suppliers supporting the auto industry. Seems like a lot of responsibility at the top ensuring a chunk of our economy stays moving. I won't ever say they are greedy. I know I couldn't sleep at night with that pressure.
Historically GM increased the warranty only on their worst engines-- e.g. Vega.
Vega, another Chevrolet that was rusting thru on the showroom floor. I wanted a Cosworth Vega and the dealer got it in and called. It had rust already working on it.
@stevemorris270 however, this 2.7l turbomax is only the 2nd engine ever that hasn't failed in the tests run by chevy. Go Google what they have put it through.... and it's made it through.
@@elche1976 Nascar, F1, and others test the daylights out of their engines and they still go boom in a race. I can guarantee you that the engines tested were gone thru and every tolerance was perfect before testing. And, if you are going to put out a propaganda video, you do not show the ones with a rod that departed thru the side of the block.
@bigun447 strawman argument. Nascar? Really? You're going to use the extreme? Do you think the average driver abuses their engine to the extremes of Nascar. At least try and be rational.
I have a base model WT colorado 4wd with the 310 horse turbo plus engine. it is ridiculously powerful for what it is.
That’s why i’ll keep my 2013 HD2500 4x4 with 6.0 GAS pickup !! (225000 miles)
That engine does plenty of what I need. I had a problem with the newness of the engine and whether it was proven. I think this goes a long way to resolving this.
Before I had my 2022 Silverado Custom with the 2.7 with 310 HP, I had a 2008 Ram 1500 with the V8 4.7 at 310 HP and I can honesly say that my Silverado will blow that Ram away on power and speed from the start.
I think of it this way. They have had 4cyl turbo in medium duty delivery trucks for years
7:17, infamous wardrobe malfunction, lols.
I bought 2023 Silverado 2.7 last week. The torque is what sold me on it. It has more torque and at a lower RPM than the 5.3 V-8. In a stoplight drag race, the 2.7 and 5.3 are neck and neck. I have been babying it so far, but it accelerates very well at any speed.
The V-8 sound is a strong draw. Big trucks need big engines, right? If this engine sounded good, it would help sway more buyers, but It's best kept with the quiet stock exhaust. Unless you are one of those fast and furious types.
I got my Trail Boss flashed to 430 torque and its lighter than a Silverado!
@@jimmycline4778 Congrats. I needed a bigger truck with the full size bed.
Read the fine lines...you have to change ur oil at a GM dealership to have this warranty covered,or proof that you are following the warranty clause
I think they did this because half or more of the Silverado inventory sitting on lots are 2.7s.
I ended up getting a new Colorado with this engine and I really like it, but I'd be lying if i didn't say i was concerned about it long-term. I'd never drive 100k in 5 years anyway, so it doesn't matter for me if they add the Colorado.
Change your oil at 5k miles, transmission, axles, transfer case fluid every 50k and it will go a loooong way toward longevity.
The extended OCI, and "liifetime driveline fluids" is a marketing call, not the engineers.
Best warranty is one you don't need to use..
They are extending the warranty on the silverado and not the Colorado because they would rather sell the silverado, more expensive vehicles have higher profit margins, this is one more reason for a Colorado buyer to step up to the silverado.
I have a 2023 chevy silverado Turbomax and I love it
I think it’s going to do well, in time… I think it may need a few years before GM irons out all the kinks.
Gm should have included “all” 2.7 turbo engines in all truck lines and trims. Same as duramax, make a true statement, back all 2.7 in any trim or model. Now that’s a statement!
This Engine would work for me! I have a 3500, and 1500 both 4X4's a 7.4 and a 4.3 Engines! A 1500 2 Wheel Drive would be a Great Road Truck especially on High Altitude Trips! I say, it's probably gonna prove Loved with Good Gas Mileage! I'm thinking about this option for sure!!!
I've got 13,000 miles on one and have no complaints so far.
bought one, love it. hope it holds up but yes I'm in. drives really great, looking forward to towing a 7500 lb trailer some day.
I'm guessing all maintenance such as oil changes would have be perfomed by the dealership? That can sometimes a little inconvenient.
2021 2.7 turbo engine, I’m at 56000 , use premium gas and change oil at 5k . I’m having a clicking/ clacking sound coming from my hood now . Maybe fuel pump I’m not sure taking it to Chevy this weekend hopefully warranty covers
Any updates on your truck and the clicking sound?
Ive been burned by too many gm 4cyls. Not to mention the prices of new trucks have just gone crazy.
Chevy for life , this 2.7 tows boat better than my old 6.0 vortex and wayyyyyy better gas mileage, fast off the line fun to drive
Thanks for the awesome info.
Unfortunate... They get CRAP for fuel mileage. Most people have claimed they are getting around 22-23 MPG's at best.
I have heard some stating they have gotten up to 25 MPG's.
I've gotten 25 MPGs on my 5.3 Sierra and average around 21 MPGs usually.
I've gotten 22 MPG out of my 6.6 Duramax, but usually around 18 MPG
I've gotten 32 MPG out of my 2.8 Duramax Colorado. But averaged 25 MPG (after I lifted it and put larger wheels and tires)
So, you can see why I think the milage on the New Canyon and Colorado's are CRAP!!!
Plus, you can spend around $75K on a new Colorado or Canyon and not get most of the comfort creatures, like a build in garage door opener, or a powered rear sliding window. (Simple things)
To me the engine may be fairly strong, but getting rid of the V6 and the mini-Duramax was a mistake.
How about putting a turbo on the V6??? (440 hp 420 ft lbs.) Put the 3.0 Duramax in the Colorado and Canyon. (310 hp 500 ft. lbs.)
Talk about power... (HP and Torque monster for sure) Plus with the 3.0 diesel you could get 35+ mpg in an even smaller truck.
IMO:
GM screwed the pooch on this one... They could have at least kept the other engines and added the 2.7L
i truly wish GM would be more open and up front about much of what they sell and offer /(new promise on my Bolt, only 4 months late) that it will made next week and in the dealers garage by
I have the 2.7L Turbo 4 Cylinder in my 2023 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LT. The best mpg I have gotten is 32.7mpg, I changed out the factory air filter to the K&N shortly after I got it. I have used the towing mode hauling several trailer loads of cement blocks and cement cap blocks without any issues. When I ordered it, I thought I was getting a six cylinder, the old reliable Chevrolet engine. But to my surprise I found out that they had discontinued it several years earlier. So far it has been able to perform all of the farm duties that I have needed to complete, only time will tell how it will hold up. I can supply a picture of the dashboard to prove the mpg, I have only had one oil change so far, hopefully May will improve once breaking is over.
Thanks for the feedback!
Shhh, don't tell GM you are getting that high milage. The next time you take it into the dealer they might just reprogram it like they did to the Ram folks with their diesels a few years back and caused greatly reduced fuel milage.
No, did not have to retune. I just replaced the standard air filter with the factory style K&N Air Filter and using the standard unleaded gas.
Thank you, I will clear my screen.
I just wish that the 2.7 TurboMax Silverado could be as fully optioned out with as many bells and whistles as their V8 counterparts such as the 10 Speed Automatic, Bose Sound System, Max Trailering Package, etc. When attempting to create a build on the Chevy Build and Price section of the website, the optional equipment with the TurboMax is limited. I just wish GM would address this issue.
I have been thinking the same
Just bought a 2024 GMC Sierra 1500 Pro with the 2.7 L 4 cyc turbomax. Powertrain is 5 year/ 100,000 mile. I assume the same would apply for the Silverado. I am still breaking it in. But, I can tell already this is going to be a fun engine. Hauling things on the weekends and occasional towing, this engine is going to last. Just change the oil twice as often as recommended, put the highest octane gas, warm up, and cool down for one to two minutes and there is no reason I shouldn't get 200,000+ miles.
I purchased a 2023 Sierra with 2.7 and I tow a Travel Trailer over 5k and it pulls like a champ at under 2000 rpm. My brother n law couldn’t keep up with a similar trailer with his 2020 Toyota Tundra with 5.7 v8. That being said if I had a bigger trailer (8k plus) I would definitely use a v8. One thing no one is talking about is the price…I couldn’t find a V8 GMC or chevy under $60k, I got this under $46k and can tow 8600 lbs.
I had a rental Silverado with it, I think the truck had like 43k on it and it was surprisingly not terrible to drive
The problem GM has is meeting CAFE numbers, so they pretty much have to use the deactivation system on the V-8 motors, but I like the 2.7 four cylinder and it will be in my next truck. It should be simpler for my mechanic to repair if it breaks.
The 2.7 still have cylinder deactivation
Does the turbo max engine have those AMF DOD issues like the other 1500 truck engines?
I just purchased a 2023 silverado 1500 with this 2.7L after having two (2004 & 2006) Chevy Avalances that combined gave me 27 years of service and 250k miles on 5.3 engines. I also have to say I am impressed and so far towing my 5200 lbs Lance Travel Trailer was a breeze, with 45mph being my slowest speed up a grade. I did place this new truck in tow mode and over hills I manually shifted this transmission.
I did purchase extended warranty of 7 years or 75k miles. Do you.know if this 2024 model warranty will extend to my 2023 built in January this year?
Thinking of purchasing a new colorado but terrified of that 2.7. 2 counter balance shafts. Fuel management cylinder deactivation on a 4 cyl. WHY !!!! Camshaft moving to 3 different positions !! My god !!! Yea nothing to go wrong here. Lol
Im curious what performance mods people will be doing....
Yeah shows real confidence in it. 4 bangers don't belong in 1/2 ton work class trucks.
GM can try and reassure all they want but the fact is people always go back to displacement for trucks. 400 ft.lbs is a joke on a engine that is boosted, 70's 350's were doing 400 ft.lbs.
19-17 MPG on a full sized truck again 350 equipped trucks were doing close to this in the 90's with lower compression ratios. I think that this is the problem overall, it's not a truck engine really.
A turbo 4 banger does not inspire confidence when pulling a 8000+ load, a LS or a gen 1 does. Way less complexity and comparable power, in the LS's case it probably gets better MPG while towing. Furthermore you can boost a V8 to absurd levels, something the 4 banger will never even come close to approaching.
If it was a brand new Chevy it would be 6.2L hands down, if i want a grocery hauler the 2.7L is a terrible choice anyways and its hard to ask why not just get a minivan or a maverick. It has terrible fuel economy and repairs on those things are a nightmare.
People overlook the fact that the 2.7L turbo 4 is 1/2 of a 5.4 L V8, and has the same stout bottom end, crankshaft strength and 5 main bearings of a V8. MUCH stouter and far more capable of 400+ Ft lbs of torque than the 2.7 L V6 turbo that Ford has, as the V6 bottom end is a 1.35 L 3 cylinder with 4 main bearings! There are now many tests on YT of the 2.7 L turbo 4 pulling heavy loads up grades at 60+ mph, at only 2000 to 2500 RPM, while the 5.3 L V8 is screaming at 3500+ rpm pulling the same load at the same speed. NO way that 5.3L V8 will last as long as that 2.7 L turbo 4 when the V8 is working 60% harder getting up the same grade. If Chevy ever decides to bump that turbo 4 displacement to 3.5L, that big turbo 4 would make the gas V8's and Ford's 3.5L V6 turbo obsolete!
If the numbers showed in the 5.3 / to / 2.7 is correct , then it’s the V8 is the winner.
I wished GM would produce the I6 235 again. In 1982 I purchased 1963 GMC I6 235 4-speed stick LWB as my first pickup. She was solid and easy to fix.
A normally aspirated straight six would be nice, but it would have to be a modern engine with fuel injection.
What is your reason that you wouldn’t pick it if you did a lot of towing? that turbo use more fuel when towing?
My old tbi 350 just refuses to give up
It's a Chevy 350 it's a 70-year-old engine that was designed to run on spit bubblegum and something that looks like oil
How many times have we been BURNED by turbo's out of Detroit! I think we will all be shaking our heads down the road.....
If it’s anything like my 3.5 twin turbo f150, it’s probably a very capable towing rig. The beauty of a boosted engine is the amount of torque they make as soon as the boost kicks in. The 3.5 runs near max torque through most of its power band. I pull a 10,000 camper around with it, and it honestly pulls amazingly. I had an early 3.5 ecoboost before and while having less power, it was still a pulling beast. Traded it in at just under 200,000 miles and was still like a new truck.
Thanks for the input!
Did you keep up with the maintenance because I've heard either total horror stories or their amazing with the 3.5 no middle ground
@@TwoDollarGararge I don’t maintain it quite as good as I should. But I’m not beating the hell out of it and neglecting it either. I stretch my oil change intervals way too long… And I run cheap gas.
@@Project_Low_Expectations okay that's odd most of the low maintenance people with three fives I hear them complaining how their engine blew up at 100, 000 and then part where they just bought a Toyota
@@TwoDollarGararge my last one went almost to 200,000 miles when I traded it in, was like a new truck still. Got a hell of a trade in number too
Most diesels are turbo, and the turbo isn’t the weak link. Also, turbo issues don’t usually grenade an engine.
reliability aside, the 2.7L doesn't really make better (real world) fuel economy either
Change the oil on time and don’t dog it out.
Needs more subs knowledgeable and genuine
need stronger timing chain, mechanical water pump, upgraded oiling system and heavier turbocharger.
Electric pump could be made easier to change and possibly more reliable. Agree with you a light chain is there for more maintenance costs down the line.
I purchased 2022 used with the 2.7. I was given 150,000 bumper to bumper and lifetime powertrain. Did it cost me for the lifetime? Sure did, but the cost was very little when compared to other manufacturers warranties.
Great video. I am glad someone is finally addressing the issue of a 4 cylinder truck. Warranties do not matter. It sowers the deal. If the engine is an issue you usually end up trading the vehicle. Truck people DO NOT want a 4cylinder truck!!! Mid size or full-size. Also, wait until you try to resale the 4cylinder truck. No one wants a full or midsize 4 cylinder truck. There is really no gain in gas mileage either. Why is Chevy doing this??? Because of cost and the likely hood of repair on the 4cylinder vs V8. Drive the 4cylinder with 4 adults into a mountain area on a trip. You will stay into the turbo the entire time. It’s not a V8 or a V6. Chevy had a 310 HP V6 that was very impressive. So what do they do??? Quit making it and leave it out of the 2023 Colorado that’s the best looking Colorado so far. It simply does not make sense. Thanks again for the video.
Tri phase magnetic camshaft with active fuel management just screams RELIABILITY
bought a 24 got 20 years or 200000 miles love it
I have one in my 2020 Silverado. I love it. Will this extended warranty be retroactive to the older models?
That's a dealer question, but my understanding is no. It's only for new sales.
How long does an engine have to be out and have a good track record till it’s called “tried”? It was introduced in late ‘18 as a 2019…almost 5 years ago and it has a pretty good track record.
People act like a turbo is a new thing and it’s temperamental like nitrous oxide or something. Hell, it’s been used since WW2, like, almost 80 years… found in eleventy billion semi trucks that generally run a million miles. Like you said John… it’s not the 1980s any more.
Truck owners especially, those who use it for work and hauling, are outspoken about prefering slow-revving V8's. The 2.7L has been out, as you say, for years, but making it the base engine in a "big" truck seems to be getting a lot of pushback from consumers.
A couple of people have pointed out the engine can be good, but the turbo and gaskets become the problem. And I've heard since the 80's that turbocharged engines are troublesome.
but I look at it like you do, there are gazillions of turbos out there, especially on semi's. IF the 2.7L is built to more diesel standards (as I've heard), my concern starts to go away.
If I had a contracting company and was hauling excavators or loads of sand, I think I'd get a V8 or the diesel.... but for many, many buyers the 2.7L should be fine and GM is trying to convince them of that.
@@AllCarswithJon I’m a pipefitter by trade, one of the contractors had a fleet of ecoboost ford’s, I think they had 20 pickups. They were loaded down with tools 24/7 and the lowest mile one when I worked for them was a 50,000 mile creampuff… most were over 100,000 and one was getting close to 300,000 miles.
Zero turbo issues. Let’s face it, if ford can figure it out… so can GM.
Chrysler… not so sure! 😂
@@Project_Low_Expectations LOL. "If Ford can...". That's good to hear. I hear a lot of complaints about Ford engines so this is nice to hear.
You're spot on. Everyone is expecting this engine to fail and after 5 years of production they appear to have a good track record so far. Plus, the Canyon/Colorado have the new and improved version as well! Also, no one seems to recognize that these are High output engines with incredible power for their size and with that there is a little trade off in economy. If people want economy, buy the 3.0 Duramax (I did) and it gets great mileage. If the Toyota beats the 2.7, it's only because of the hybrid and that's not comparing apples to oranges. My guess is that all of these new midsize turbo trucks will have similar MPG ratings.
Just want a product to do what it is supposed to do.
Reliable, value, any product
If you believe GM you need your head examined. With that being said I always loved GM and GMC trucks, I have owned many of them. Everyone of them has disappointed me. I'm 56 years old
and have owned 36 cars and trucks in my life time. 10 of those were GM products. At 56 I have gained lots of wisdom on cars and trucks. I now drive a 2021 Toyota Tundra V8 old school and my
wife drives a 2021 Lexus RX 350. We are retired and only go to the dealership for oil changes. Thats it they are boring but built like tanks. Spend your money on quality products take care of them
and keep them for a long time. Thats how you get the most out of car ownership. I wish I would have learned 20 years ago would have saved me lots of money but more importantly all the
aggravation with shady dealerships not wanting to cover warranty claims. Just some advice and wisdom from an old guy.
I drove my first new car, a 1998 V8 Camaro 19 years before I bought another new fast(GM) car. and I still own the Camaro.
The problem with the 2.7 turbo max engine is that it doesn't get good enough gas mileage to sacrifice, not having a V8.