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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2013
- This video discusses using a 4l80e transmission without computer control. Note that the video says the transmission will bolt in - what is meant is that it will bolt to the engine. The drive shaft was shortened and a crossmember was fabricated out of a piece of c-channel steel. Some 2 inch diameter pipe was cut to length and used as spacers for the fabricated crossmember to give the proper height under the rear of the transmission.
MegaShift has a pinout for the transmission connector:
www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/... - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
For first gear, you ring this here doorbell button. Then when you’re ready for second gear, you gotta pull this ceiling fan string. Then for third gear, ya gotta press the lever down on this 1956 bread toaster. And for the overdrive lockup, you screw in this here lightbulb.
You just described my ratrod switch plans lol
Love this comment 😂
LMAO
That's how you insure noone can drive that thing
Lmfaoooo 🤣🤣🤣 too funny
I can't believe I just watched you shift a truck with light switches. I LOVE IT!!!
I can see him trying to sell this on Craigslist lmao.
Him: "It's an automatic transmission, but you have to shift it manually using light switches."
Potential buyer: "Uhhh, I'll be in touch."
When the grid goes down this man will be king over all of us.
lol....
F!@# eh?! I LOL'd 10 minutes into this. I cannot do this to my truck.
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTS I think it's just a storage bin for his clapped out sbc...
The best anti theft security system i have ever seen.
He needs to set up a camera in this thing and drop it in a shitty neighborhood, the footage of iced up mellenials jumping into this thing and trying to steal it would be awesome.
Hey man, the guy that stole my car was like 40! Us millennials only commit, like, 80% of car thefts 🤣🤣🤣
@@watsisbuttndo829 okay boomer
"Hey Martha, were getting on the highway here so on my word turn on the front porch lights and then close the garage door."
That truck looks like it has been through a few tweakers.
Maybe just one. those hose light switches though fml
what in the "Mullet wearing, keystone light, piss on ford sticker", kinda setup am i looking at? is that the Ace hardware edition package?
Yes ;)
and I quote," Uh, ummm, uh, ummm."
LOL, that's too funny.
This prob the best GM product on the road ever. I hate a GM, but maybe not this one here.
Brock Garrison how do I put a 4l60e in my 1992 Chevy Silverado. Which has a 700 r4. Can it be done. By the way crazy but awesome.
Where's the switch for the ceiling fan?
In my other car.
On the column you gotta but it in drive for its fastest setting
When the revolution comes this man will survive.🍺
Looks stock to me. Pretty sure the boat steering wheel/no horn/no door panel/cracked windshield/no heat/no gas,volt,temp,speedo gauge package/no radio/no dash pad/no shift lever/zip tie upgrade were all stock factory options.
Yea it's a special 1979 Copo c30.......it's the weight distribution package
Thats a grant steering not a boat steering wheel. If it works for him who cares
Austin Carlson lmao that’s just like my geo prism
LMAO I died lol lol
It’s the base base model
1-0 first gear
0-0 second
0-1 third
1-1 fourth
I knew my high school Boolean algebra would be good for something!
I just use the "Clapper" all I have to do is clap my hands, one time for first,two for second, three for third and four claps for fourth! Lol!
Kevin Peterson hahahahaha 😂
Yes!
Hooked it up to a clapper Lol
Three words: Manual valve body.
Three more words: I love this.
The ghetto rigged stuff is always the fun stuff.
2 words. ........no budget
@Rusty Climber more than you'll ever say!!!
Trent Robey l ol
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@Rowdy seriously pull your head in mate! I’m sitting on a couple of crushed discs and more right now and never claimed compensation and I still have to work every day in pain just to keep my crappy v6 going so who are you to judge? What a toss!
This is basically how manual mode paddle shifters work i love it!
Sorry I did not pin or Hart all comments but I can not take all the time but you are all awesome
No sir, you are awesome, good video!
You don't have to worry about someone driving off in it LOL they would be like what the hell is all the light switches for!!
scott dale lol no joke.. I drive old stuff that could be stolen easy enuf so I put a inline switch under the dash I use in the city as a extra precaution to it being stolen but this tops that ten fold!! 😆 very MAD MAX but even I learn from these hacky videos
The super cool thing is, you could fit a lightning rod shifter with microswitches, and duplicate exactly what you're doing on the dash. Thank you for this, super cool to see how you figured it out. Memories of shifting a big truck and splitting the gears with the shifter.
I am more confused now than i was before watching this video.
@Adventure Ticket OKAY GRAMMAR NAZI
There ain't one single thing wrong with this setup, man. I like how you built it how you did and it's as simplistic as it is. I've been wanting to do a newer year model trans swap for a while now but I haven't wanted to spend the crazy amount of money on all the "standalone blah blah blahs". I'm just a workin man with bills to pay that loves to make the things I have better with little money invested in them. Good job, bud, I likey.
Thanks so much. Answered a lot of questions I have about how the 4L80e works. I love the ingenuity.
This is one of the coolest thing I have seen in quite some time!
Love it Dan! Keep it up.
BTW for anyone interested, I usually use a '90 Suburban cluster when I can find one, since its electronic and keeps my dash looking factory. But until I find one, I always use a droid like you have done here Dan.
I'll put that on my list if I find one I'll let u knuw
I wrote the how to article on this a couple years ago. I did it with a 4L60e when my ecm fried out. Didn't use light switches though.
I used the neutral safety switch on the shift detent, a single momentary toggle switch, and a b&m quick silver ratchet shifter. Had all 5 gears (4 forward plus reverse) and torque converter lockup. And didn't have to flip light switches.
Technically what you end up with is an analog computer.
I guess I'm just retarded I don't understand how you making shift have a 4 L 80 I don't want three switches in it would like to have one and just run the shifter
i would love more information on how to do this the right way without thousands in electronics. trying to make my late 80s non fuel injected 383 work with a 4l60e automatic
i would love more information
which article id love to read it
@@williamallen8913 u can buy stand alone 4l60 and 80 controllers i kno u said u didnt wanna spend a million dollars but im pretty sure theyre pretty affordable, especially if u get one used off ebay
Man...I have never seen or thought such a contraption was possible until now. WOW!!! as long as it works for you brotha keep on drivin.
I'm just starring at the steering column just swinging around.
Dan your the effing man, I got the caprice up and running w/4l60, I'll try and post a response video. the only difference is the solenoid shift sequence is different. I owe you a case of beer.
Nice Darius!
Just saved your video bro...gonna look into this next year when i get into my old burban....makes an automatic not so boring...firm shifts is way to go...slow shifts burning clutches..man i bet you'll get a helluva lot more life outa that tranny than with a computer..and that being said your doing a better job than it...truly awesome man...thanks for your engineering skills and sharing this to us all!!!
It says in the Haynes Manual that when you remove a manual transmission to put in an automatic that you have to wear a dress or the transmission will not go in
I have heard this, can't say i'd make the swap to find out lol
If you are using the Haynes Manual chances are you already got step 1 done
Perfect explanation for simple trans shifting, there are cheap kits online premade for this and have an adjustable Line Pressure knob just for a couple bills.
im diggin the light switches
SAVE 9 MINUTES OF YOUR LIFE AND SKIP TO 9:35
So let me guess, you wasted 9 mins of your life to post this, lol.
Tnks.
Mark, we understand details are too much for you. This video was a discussion, not just video showing it working, the man took time to really explain what he did.
But looking at your channel it's really obvious why you got so upset, you can't get this many views on all your videos combined.
Mark Brown that’s funny 😂😂😂😂
Wish I would have seen this sooner
This just gave me a huge headache, in a good way, EXCELLENT Tutorial Sir.
@dale the 4l80e was free, and I wanted the challenge ;-)
i need the wiring that you used i have a unfortunate diesel to gas swap and i have no 4th
some custom trickery with the shifter mounting the switches to it and you could do it all with the shifter
Dan Mann check out sloppy mechanics. Especially the Facebook page. You would fit in well.
This was a tremendous hack to watch. Sir, I extend my thanks and congratulations.
Id love to see a white coller try to drive it
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I would have no problem at all. I'm an engineer, that means not only do I know WHAT works, I know WHY it works.
I think you should create a "paddle shift" style system on the steering wheel. Using your forefingers to press paddles to upshift and downshift, with paddles or buttons on both sides of steering wheel, or mod a paddle system from a late model car. I can see your system turned into a serious performance quick shifting system, exactly like paddle shifters.
how did you wire it, I want to replicate it with a little less dodgy ness.
@dougjones - yes I think you could do this. Four things I would be concerned with: trans temp if the converter is unlocked, lugging the engine, computer throwing codes, and warranty. But if you have those bases covered and are adventurous I think you could do it. You may also be able to have someone tune that behavior out alltogether in the computer. - Dan
Great explanations, love the "engineering", fun video for us who love tinkering!!
This is where the lexus LFA got the idea for the paddle shift mechanism!! Love your video man, I need to do this to my truck asap!! 😂😂😂😂
Might I recommend that if you want to use engine braking, instead of using the gear shift selector, just use the converter lockup, because that is what the shift lever is doing, just making the converter lockup more aggressive and engage until a much lower RPM.
transgo sells a vacuum modulator to replaces the epc solenoid. aka force motor or line pressure solenoid. Then there is using the 1995 tbi chevy pcm with modded prom.
Thanks Dan for the 4l60E info. May have questions later.
Good job. Whatever it takes to make things work.
Dan thanks for making the vid, very informative.
I'm headed to get a tetanus shot because of this video...
Fuck off sis
Careful flatlander, last time I got one of those tetanus shots I had several seizures over the course of 3-4 years afterward.
Patrick Baptist Details? I thought about getting a booster because I’m 21 and it’s been some time since I got my first one as a kid and work with rusty vehicles up here in the northeast.
I wouldn't. What details are you wanting from me exactly?
I've been cut up good working on vehicles and structure repairs/home repairs ect. Never seen a need to get a vaccine.
I've got 5 children and not a one has ever been vaccinated for anything.
My kids don't get sick and don't have any health problems, worst it ever gets for them is they might run a low grade fever for a day or 2 max once a year.
Not sure what your views are in life, but alot of vaccines contain products made from aborted fetus, as well as organs of people even. Stuff is straight up poison, insane to treat something that hasn't happened by making your body more toxic, all for the sake of nothing but fear and ignorance.
LOVE IT .
love the interior .
Proves you don't always need to have the factory stuff .👍👍👍👍
@billylancer - grounding both solenoid isn't enough to make the gear selector lever command first gear (it is the only gear that has this limitation). For first gear SOL-A has to be grounded but SOL-B has to be open.
You can overcome this if you understand something: there are pins on the transmission connector that go to ground depending in what gear the selector level is on. Knowing this you can hardwire SOL-B to be off when the selector is in physically in first gear. - Dan
So how sol a has 3 wires you need to twist to ground. Rite so is the 3rd wire the line pressure switch.. that wire should be alone and always grounded or twisted up with sol a on the switch.. this is where i am at in my swap.. 85 k30 dually 6.2l diesel
just curious, could you send power to the solenoids like being in 4th and then just manually shift it as if it were a full manual valve body and then just have a switch for the lockup?
Thanks man! My kind of stuff......I will be messing with my 4l80e soon. I am going to try some things on the test stand first and see what it does.
So if you wanted to, you could leave the switches in 4th, and then use the shifter. That's a pretty neat setup.
Love it man!!!! you have done a badass job and took time to explain it...have got me wanting to do this to an older suburban i have.
And to all you haters making shitty comments about this....yall are the ones who don't own tools much less have any kind of engineering mindset to accomplish this...so leave this man alone, its folks like him and me and us that fix YOUR neglected rides!!!!
I'm not sure what is cooler...you figured all this out, or you use household light switches to shift gears. Amazing.
Just what i need! du you have a simple drawing of how you wired everything to the trans?
Man, that truck looks awesome to drive! Total control over gear shifts and engine braking. Even the lockup! That's totally cool man. I'm running the stock TH350C in my truck. I've never tried gearing down to reduce the speed. Was worried I would hurt my trans. Though I have had to sit in one gear going downhill. It definitely reduces brake usage! But I don't think I would want to drive at highway speeds and drop it into first. It sure seems fun to shift like you do in that truck. But it would probably get old soon if your driving it every day. Anyways brother, Decent work man! Worth a subscribe I think! Keep updating man! Good stuff!
Thanks! It gets the job done, it is still in use the truck on a regular basis for things. It's a great work truck, I love old trucks, they are worth repairing and keeping. It's a vehicle that a shade tree mechanic can work on and keep for a very long time. Today's vehicles are awesome, but they are not as friendly when it comes to certain repairs. Heaven forbid in a newer vehicle you end up with a wiring issue buried somewhere in the middle of the engine harness...
Dan Mann Yeah I hear what your saying, totally man! These trucks are great. I can sit in the engine bay while I'm working on the truck. their very easy to work on, parts are cheap and readily available. its great! I love my 82 k1500. It was my grampa's before he died. I'm doing the whole body on it. Box, Doors, Front clip, Cab corners! It was used as a farm truck all its life, in an area that's real moist. So most of those parts are rusted. Plus its got huge dents on the passengers side. I have a feeling someone rolled it on its side while they were 4x4in. But the frame is solid, and the engine only has 107k in miles on it! So overall its Decent! I have a vid of it here on youtube, and I plan on putting more updates up of the trucks current state with in the next couple days. Its almost ready for the new parts..... But yeah man, newer cars are a pain forsure! Way too difficult to work on. Parts cost a crapload. Plus these older trucks can be tuned to perform just as well, if not better then the new ones! Anyways bro, have a good one!
I like the house switches on the dash I'm a electric and I have seen home products used for a lot of things they were not made for but never seen them used for togle switch
I did the same as you, but I kept the ECM and placed the TPS sensor in the carburetor, but the overdrive does not work. What are the lock up cables?
What will I have to do if I put a vortex 350,and 4l80e in 86 Monte Carlo ss
This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you
Thanks for your reply. As long as the PCM doesn't throw the trans into limp mode I can deal with the CEL. I will try it with TCC and Sol B switches and see how the PCM likes it. If I am lucky the CEL might reset itself when I set the switches back to normal PCM control. I will try it and post the results.
Nice job keeping that truck going.
That's pretty cool, nice work.
just wired my gm4l80e in my hotrod out of a jaguar xjr6 and it goes 1st 2nd 3rd then 4th is 2nd am i doing something wrong?
how long have you run the c 30 with that 4l80e setup and have you had any issues with the full line pressure causing any probs? I was going to run a shift drum with proper solenoid timing contacts and manual levers at the same time side by side like zero turn mower handles so they can be shifted at same time or separately I was told by a friend in the business full line psi would lead to spline damage and or clutch pack damage I said I didn"t think so????
So dan mann your way do you only switch ground solonoids a and b and lockup? Is pressure manifold wires a b and c constantly grounded ....or are they wired in solonoid a with pressure manifold wires a and b then switched to ground and solonoid b with pressure manifold c wire switchd to ground? Basically are all 3 pressure manifold wires constantly grounded to be a closed circuit or are they part of the switched setup??? Dan mann or anybody that has done this im at a pause till i get an answer
great work. do you know where their is a wiring schematic for this mod. im thinking about putting a 4l80e in a 1990 truck with a old 350 edelbrock carb, hei distributor. for a small point of interest. use a ardunio to control the actual shifting. that is a 5v board but with transistors and diodes could control a 12v system. the tach line could control the shift point. and with a additional switch. manual control is possible or with multiple control switches different shift points could be programmed. lots of options.
I wanna put a 4l80e in a 49 gm keep it auto I was researching and I thought I would just need a universal trans controller and the new stearing gear selector and fashion up some jig to controll the prnd any input would be appreciated thinking of putting in a turbo diesel
I tried this but the only switch that works is od when I get at high rpms can u make a diadram of what u did exactly Mann
I'm brazilian. I will install 4l60e in a vintage car with a carburetor. question: Is the pwm valve downshift 3-2 always off?
And the pressure Control solenoid always off?
Can I connect TCC in 2, 3 and 4 gears or damage break the gearbox?
Thank you
Can you put together a wiring diagram how you did it. Which wires get power for 1 gear and so on
Did the same thing on a couple of ECAT transmission. Was just curious if it could be done..
That you for getting back to I have got the 4l80e in the truck and I'm having a hard time with it from what I can understand is it tacks 4 wires off of the plug and I'm think that in need to use the A and B and tcc and then the key 15 fuse dose that sound right
Hi Kent, It's been a long time since I did this, but if I remember correctly 12v goes into 1 wire into the transmission and then A, B, and TCC would have switches that connect them to ground. So what you said sounds correct to me.
So there are 2 ways to control the gears:
1 shifter at D, then use switch to select gears,
2 switch select 4th, then use sifter to select gears.
Am I right?
Useful information - especially during the apocalypse.
Would this kind of thing be possible on a Ford 4R70W transmission?
I know those dash gauges aren't the greatest, but this brings a whole new level of crazy. They sell a stand alone computer for that trans. But we wouldn't have seen the Lowes home improvement model.
I seen this and tried the same thing with a 4 L 60 I looked up the schematic for some reason it didn't work on the 4 L 60 I ended up I was supposed to have four switches A&B for reverse A&B for first takeaway be ad C for second then add B to C for 4th and then d for lockup but it didn't work out so I threw it in the can and added a th400
Can you lock up 1 ,2 ,3 or just overdrive?
I don't know if it could lock up in first, I don't remember. But I'm fairly certain it could in the other gears.
Dan Mann my 03 slivrado in tow mod locks up the coverter on all gears and you can notice the difference, the engine shifts at higher RPM..
Late to the party. But you can't lock converter in 1st with a 80. If I remember right, it uses the fluid from 1st gear to lock the converter.
But 2nd, 3rd, and 4th it can be locked.
can we get line pressure through a dimmer switch ?
Did you get the torque converter lockup working as well?
Forget the dead pedal and the shifter... Are those light switches mounted in the radio location?
Probably a dumb question but if you left the switches set for 4th gear and you put the gear selector in "drive" would it shift through the gears into 4th?
No, it would be in 4th gear all of the time. It's like you commanded 4th and the transmission would give you 4th, no matter what your actual speed was. with the switches set to 4th gear you could manually move the gear shifter to 3rd, and 2nd and the transmission would give you those gears as well. The only gear you cannot get is 1st, because first REQUIRES that the solenoids are set for 1st. 1st gear is a bit special, I think that GM probably did this as a safety feature. When the transmission was originally controlled by the computer, even if you move the gear selector to first gear the computer still needs to give you the correct combination at the shift solenoids or the transmission would not go into 1st. In the OEM application, you are prevented from getting 1st gear if the computer decides you shouldn't have it.
Love the custom dash......at night the Sparks and rough edges have to really b a plus Dang
I use a forced 4 shift box, its basically the same concept except allows a tiptronic or paddle shift, just electronic control of the solenoids instead of the light switches but your version is free 😁
Care to give a wiring breakdown on the pinout to do this? I googled it but I'm not exactly sure from the schematic how you wire it up. Do the solenoids get grounds or hots and do you need to add resistance to keep from burning them out?
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing it.
Full disclosure - this is from the msgpio.com website. Lots of good information there about the wiring and even how to build your own transmission controller.
www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L80E/internal_wiring.jpg
www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L80E/4L80e.html
This kit with some additional components can be used to control the transmission fully automatically:
www.diyautotune.com/catalog/gpio-basic-kit-p-403.html
All of this evolved from this project: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaSquirt
Stories about people who have built megasquirt and are running it: www.msruns.com/index.php
Dan Mann good afternoon Dan Mann I like what you did with the transmission 4L80E is something otherworldly congratulate you're a makina a question with this diagram you published your transmission can be installed without any problem www.msgpio.com/manuals Dan Mann /mshift/4L80E/internal_wiring.jpg questions that are the NRP and CD LMY tHE BEST HELP explain pin K30 hAVE A 86 CHEVY 5.7 ENGINE WITH THIS TRANSMISSION aND BUY BUT NOBODY KNOWS tHE INSTALLATION THANKS HOPE YOUR HELP
awesome work man
The solenoids need to be grounded with the switches. The transmission needs a 12v+ line that feeds it when the ignition is turned on (Pin E on the transmission connector). Solenoid A is Pin A on the transmission connector. This is grounded through one of the switches. Solenoid B is Pin B on the connector, also grounded through a switch. The torque converter lockup is Pin S, and it also needs to be grounded through a switch. I do not have any resistors connected at all.
so wat all wire are need on the trans plug..
Could you do the same thing with microswitches mounted in the shifter? :)
I'm trying to put the 4l80e in to my 79 chevy truck and I'm have a hard time find out what wires off of the plug to use to do the same thing maybe to can tell me what the letter is for the wire is all the wires are lettered at the plug
Hi Kent, I don't have the truck anymore, but maybe this can help you: www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L80E/4L80e.html. There are letters in that diagram.
I don't know what it is, but there is something beautiful about that interior.
loud? I didn't even realize your truck was running until you started moving.
Put some dimmer switches in!
That made my night, thank you
Especially the PWM type
He should upgrade to this new age and a get a google mini to turn the switches on and off😂
Cvt?
ramairgto72
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How do you control the transmission line pressure. Without the computer? it runs on high pressure all the time without the computer
You mentioned it isn't a Caddi are you sure😂😁???
I do love it tho. So can you leave both switches or solenoids in the on position all the time and simply shift it with the manual cable shifter? I know the torque converter would need shifting on or off. What about reverse with both switches on?
Is this still available?
Nice demonstration! Have you ever looked into an arduino project to make the transmission shift automatically.. I'm currently looking for more info on how to do it but that's my plan to make my 4l80e shift. I have a little project I'm working on and came across your vid.
Being you are using ac, type switches, , are you a licensed electrician, or did you pull an owner builder permit and how hard was it to pull a permit, and what did your " green sheet look like??
And howed the final electrical inspection go?? just sayin