Buffy the Vampire Slayer Talk || s3e17 “Enemies”
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"second best" is such an excellent wham line
Best. Line. Ever.
Giles tells the Demon Dude "thank you for coming to me" at the end - so I think we're meant to realize that after the Mayor contacted Demon Dude to rob Angel of his soul, Demon Dude went running to Giles and was like, "Hey old buddy, you'll never GUESS what I was just asked to do. Also, it looks like you've got a rogue Slayer on your hands. Just FYI." So then Giles, Buffy, and Angel came up with their plan to play along and get as much info as they could re: the Mayor's plans.
Demon Dude is a great friend tbh
But then at the end he says "Do not contact me again"
Alley, I love you for getting that Angel losing his soul was never about the act of sex but the total peace and serenity with Buffy that came immediately after. 💛 A lot of people don't seem to get that.
Yeah it's nice to see the understanding because a lot of people don't seem to get that
Yet funny it didn't happen after Buffy said she loved him.
@@ronaldfasshauer4390 I think that moment made him happy but was tempered with his feelings of concern about being with her/not wanting to take advantage/the stress of the near death situation they had just gone through with the Judge. So it wasn't "perfect" happiness. I think the same is true in real life - anxieties, thinking about the past, thinking about the future, guilt etc can temper being purely in the moment and feeling total peace.
To be fair, they only really made it clear in later seasons.
@@terhazza Except that if it had just been the sex, he'd have lost his soul at its - ahem - climax. Instead, it's minutes later, resting in her arms. I think the narrative itself makes it pretty clear :)
Angel's cat bell is the best running gag!
I Love it!!
Totally agree❤😂
Sorry, I think It's waaaay outstayed it's welcome.
I love that she keeps that in there 😁
The Mayor does really care for Faith as a daughter. That's the beauty of their relationship. Even monsters need love.
The Mayor lead her down a dark path, but he lovingly held her hand along the way.
Spoilers below!!
Then when he’s gone, she’s lost and alone in a dark, dangerous and now, scary place.
Angel lives there already. He found her and knew she doesn’t belong here.
So he took her other hand and walked her back towards the light.
It reminds me of Thanos with Gamora.. he truly cares for her, but his mission is his number one priority at any cost.
David Boreanaz playing Angel playing Angelus. Another great demonstration of his acting chops!
I mean, he did exactly what he did playing Angelus. We know he's Angel based on the plot.
@@alicequinn505 I actually notice a difference. In some instances, like talking with the mayor and his comment after punching Xander, his dialogue and demeanor is a bit more stilted and uncertain. Not as snarky and over the top as Angelus usually is. (Although he does seem completely like Angelus with Faith right after he's "turned".)
And why he got his own show and 20 years later is still the star of his own show.
He's a solid actor, but it's more for what comes on his own show
An act within an act, you have lived up to your reputation Mr Boreanaz.
I can't believe you thought Angel would suddenly turn evil like that! What kind of a show do you think this is?
In retrospect, Angel talking smack to Mayor about killing him was bit of a giveaway - real Angelus would have just thrown the knife.
LOOOOL
Willow learning Xander slept with Faith and then like 2 episodes later basically calling Faith a massive hoe bag is such an underappreciated little bit of character writing for Willow and a follow up to the lingering feelings they had earlier in the season. Because it totally feels kind of over the top judgmental and a little out of character for her in this episode until you remember Willow was crying in the bathroom over finding Xander had slept with her not 2 episodes earlier.
Honest Angel moments that we forget bc we assume it’s Angelus.
-Punching Xander bc “that guy just bugs me” lol
-Thoughtfully asking Joyce if she changed her hair
Trying to kill the Mayor😁
Yeah the sorcerer guy went to giles after the mayor approached him out of loyalty. Giles thanks him for coming to him. Glad you enjoyed the ep. this is one of my faves of the season.
Faith probably learned the whole "Angel lost his soul" story through Xander, or a conversation that included Xander. Given his bias - and the parts of the story he would probably fixate on - coupled with Faith and Mayor understanding next to nothing about being a "white hat", they just didn't get it, and just assumed "giving him the happy" would turn Angel bad.
Or maybe the mayor already knew it due to paying attention to what was going on in his town last year.
@@Carabas72either way BOTH Faith and the Mayor were wrong..
The "movie" is from the mind of Whedon. It was supposed to imply an "art film", implying at least soft-porn content that Buffy and Angel were uncomfortable viewing together. But the movie does not actually exist. Thank goodness for the internet, because I was able to run this one down back when the episode actually aired on TV! :-) The creepy genie-looking fellow was technically a "McGuffin", but well done in this episode.
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Glad someone answered her question btw.
Reminds me of The Simpsons when Bart, Nelson and Milhouse went to watch "Naked Lunch" thinking it was a sexy movie.
When Angel(us) did not kill Xander, I suspected he was actually Angel.
tbf Angelus probably wouldn't have killed him anyway, tbh, he'd probably keep Xander around to torture him a bit, have Xander watch as he killed Buffy
@@eighthlegofthephantomtroup1842 Yes. If he got time for that.
AND if there is not a girl next to him he has to consider potentially dangerous.
Angelus would not trust Faith, I am fairly sure about.
One of the best episodes!! Also, Faith kissing Buffy on the forehead kinda makes me think of the kiss of Judas (betrayal)...
I was just pondering the whole Jesus thing in this episode. Buffy is tied up, beaten and says "I am". Long story short that is a very Jesus thing to say. Among other things saying that is a reason he was condemed by the jewish council. There is also a passage later when he talks about them not really having any power over him unless it was given to them. It all fits, but it doesnt fit well. The judas kiss does lend it some strength. Im not sure if they are trying for a parallell here.
Joss originally wanted that to be a kiss on a lips, but network won't allow it.
David Boreanaz's delivery of, "Well, there was food..." kills me every time 😅
"Le Banquet d'Amelia" is not a film that exists, but from context it seems to be a French erotic arthouse film, something along the lines of Last Tango in Paris.
I wanted to find that movie.
Or like _Rochelle, Rochelle_
So how come I own it
That was a joke before I get annoyed comments
@@davewolf6256 An erotic journey from Milan to Minsk.
My favorite line of this one would have to be "I never thanked you for sending me to Hell."
It's an especially interesting line considering that Angel wasn't really Angelus, but only pretending to be Angelus, at the time. Little wonder that Buffy got genuinely shook by faux-Angelus, even knowing he was just pretending.
Dont you wish I would?
There's good reason people always mention the distinction between Angel and Angelus when it comes to David's acting. How even in total character (same outfit, show, situations) you can tell by just his mannerisms and speech which he is portraying. It's so hard to believe there is not really a literal "switch" that is flipped to make that happen.
Unrelated to Angel specifically, just ideas surrounding this episode, I can't wait to see how you react to some of the upcoming stuff, both near and far 😱
Anyways, ALWAYS love your reactions! They make my day/week!!
„Are you still my girl?“ 🤧🥺😭
Always
I know Xander’s mad about Angel punched him, but that was the least he could do and still keep his cover with Faith, who might’ve done worse just because she could do it
To be fair i have always seen it as Angel working out all his frustration with Xander in one luck encounter
The sort of things Angel might do to keep his cover...
He *was* left lying unconscious in the street for an indeterminate time where any passing vamp could have decided to have a quick unresisting snack, so the Scoobies can probably consider themselves lucky on this occasion that the ruse didn't result in a dead or undead Xander. Perhaps though Angel was willing to risk that to get the information they needed, given The Zeppo showed that Xander brings little to the table from the Scoobies' perspective. Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs as the saying goes.
Would have loved it if Xander had just said screw it and gone home after regaining consciousness.
I mean yes, but he also hates Xander so he was probably just itching to punch him. He could reasonably have acted normal around Xander with the excuse that he was keeping up appearances
giles says "thanks for coming to me". so the mayor came up with the idea on his own, told the mage what he wanted from him, and then the mage told giles about it.
Joss purportedly denied up and down that there was any kind of lesbian subtext between Faith and Buffy - that is, until some fans laid out, point by point, all of the examples over the course of season 3; at which point he conceded that it wasn't just their imagination and coined the phrase, "bring your own subtext".
which explains why I never saw it that way... unlike SPOILER
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the one we know of in later seasons.
Have you listened to the episode commentary on 'Bad Girls' by its writer, Doug Petrie?
"And here we've got the growing lesbian subtext between these two, which was always fun to play with. And Eliza was always kind of pushing the sexuality, and no-one remembered to stop her from doing that, which we're all very happy about."
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"And there's the heart. Again, lesbian subtext; but the heart with the stake through it [...] It's kind of a romantic image at the same time. Because it's almost a seduction. Faith is very sexy and she's saying, "Come play with me". "
So even if Joss didn't see the subtext, his own writing team and actors were merrily adding it themselves...
There's also a homo-erotic subtext between several pairs of male characters, but it's usually played more discreetly: and easier to ignore if you're so inclined.
God, the chemistry between Buffy and Faith is actually killing me
This stretch of season three is just a murderer's row of great episodes. From Bad Girls (when Faith kills the deputy mayor) all the way to the finale, there's barely a bad scene, much less a bad episode. It maybe doesn't quite touch the highest heights of season two (Surprise/Innocence and the finale), but every single episode is at a tremendously high standard.
At the end Giles tells the... mystic (?) something like, "thank you for coming to me," or something to that effect; which seems to suggest that after the Mayor summoned him to ask him to remove Angel's soul, whoever or whatever that guy was, came to Giles and gave him the lowdown. I envision after that, Giles looped both Buffy and Angel in on what the Mayor was planning, since Angel would obviously have to be aware of how to act; and Buffy would invariably need to know how to respond (or rather, how not to respond). My guess would be that Angel and Buffy came up with "Buff" as a codeword that would tell her when everything was in motion.
It's sad seeing Faith's reaction when she realized she was "played" she was so desperate for love that she would have taken it even from ANGELUS
Nobody's mentioned you were right about the light switch? You were right about the light switch.
"There's more than one way to skin a cat...and I happen to know that's factually true."
Have I mentioned how much I freaking love Richard Wilkins?
Omg yESSSSS! My excitement every time you upload is unreal
same shes my fav buffy reactor! i literally watch her vids the second theyre uploaded
Lol, I literally said the same thing almost, "aww yiissss!" lol
The video just started, I see a dog, omg is adorable I love it already😂❤
Don't let Faith near it!
I don't know, it doesn't seem to like Oz?
I'm a simple man. When I see a cute puppy, I hit the like button immediately.
Don't forget Angel's "actually..." from last episode as far as where vampire lore goes; to me it has a lot to do with the similarities between him and Faith, and the sheer weight of the episode itself.
Also, the romantic parallels in the relationships between Buffy + Angel and Buffy + Faith all through the season? Chef's kiss.
Oooh. Can you give some examples of parallels? :)
@@jaycievictory8461 The general story progression is my personal favourite, if you look at Buffy and Angel's arc in Season 2 and Buffy and Faith's here. How they start uneasy and almost hostile, grow closer at an exponential rate that culminates in a loss when they "turn evil". In a lot of ways, now that Bangel is no longer a temptative, new thing, with a stable dynamic, Faith occupies that narrative space.
There are also some cool scenes that I see as parallels, like the jump into the nest in Bad Girls and into the water/ sewers in Surprise, but the season progression still takes the cake.
(Sorry about the giant answer...)
Gotta give Angel some credit for being able to both stay undercover and still love Buffy. But now, the Mayor's real plan is out.
Your reaction to the Buffy-Willow conversation (about Faith) was just priceless. Thank you. I love these.
The Mayor genuinely cares about Faith.
I cant say how much I appreciate your videos. I hate to be sappy, but tonight I got in a car accident with my mom - we're both okay, but you get me to laugh even on a stressful night like tonight. Im done with the sappy stuff now, I just wanted you to know that I do appreciate your reactions.
Please be aware that the forehead kiss was actually scripted as a kiss on the mouth, but they couldn't get it approved by the network...
Is there anything to show the network made them change it?
When asked about the lesbian subtext between Buffy and Faith, Joss Whedon said there wasn't any, and if you read into it, it was unintentional.
The writers stepped up and said - Well.... actually.....
It's kind of funny how that happened right under his nose.
My body is ready
Took a break from editing my own content to watch yours.
fun fact (maybe spoilery but probably not):
eliza Dushku confirmed that she portrayed faith to be bi and confirmed she had feelings for buffy 😌
Too bad nothing really came of it. So in the long of it, it didn't really matter
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YES FAITH IS SO BI!! just off the top of my head, in the prom episode she asks buffy to go w her 😏
@@WillsonT011 Gentle reminder. Be careful, please. Spoiler in mentioning anything about what may or may not come to pass in the series.
Thing is, it doesn't matter how she personally portrayed it, Joss Whedon said it was never his intent for it to be interpreted that way. In fact, the insinuation made him a little angry. It wasn't until much later that he accepted that it could be seen that way.
Perhaps, but Joss Whedon is a gaslighting, pervy d-bag, so his intent doesn't carry a whole lotta weight.
One of the things to keep in mind in this show is that there are lies that the characters tell each other and themselves throughout the entire run, but just because they say them doesn't mean you as the viewer should believe them. I am specifically referring to Angel's situation here. Also, as per a couple videos ago, yes, you should very much be bringing your psychology text books to these reactions!
That’s right Faith! You’re second best! I said it before, David Boreanaz is the world’s best actor! Another round of applause everyone! This episode had me fooled!
Eliza Dushku (Faith) costarred with The Terminator in the action comedy film True Lies. She became vital in the climax of the film; it was tense.
I love how Faith's face purses at 11:00 when The Mayor indicates how proud he is of "my girl." It's like a little kid who's so excited that all their emotions just emerge at once in a weird "crinkle." It would make sense that she's such a daddy's girl after being abused by her mother for so long, and being lauded by such a person would make her giddy.
THE BELL DROPPING I AM WEAK
I think that reason for attempting to remove Angel's soul was so that Buffy would not have her strongest ally helping her.
Also I think the whole purpose for the good guys was to get more information about the mayor's plans.
Your inserted comments about the handheld camera are 100% spot-on! That feeling of being dragged into that moment with Faith is jarring and effective--typical Whedon. :)
What an awesome reaction to a very complicated episode in a great season of Buffy. Your face is so expressive. No other show has left me with my jaw on the floor so often. Thank goodness I didn't have to talk afterwards! Have a wonderful Christmas, dear lady.
Characters think it’s sex that turned Angel. Like Faith thinks it’s just the sex. It’s not. It’s the sex with Buffy because he loves her.
The film that they see is "Le Banquet d'Amelia". It is not a real film , but it is insinuated that the film is far more explicit and sexy than they had expected. In the 90s , this was kind of a joke about some French films among film fans.
11:25 Let’s be honest: at some point in the series, we’ve ALL wanted to do that to Xander. 😆
So this episode, or about half of it was the first but of Buffy I saw. I was channel surfing one night and it just caught my eye. I'm not going to even knowing basically nothing about the characters Angel punching Xander was funny enough to bring me back the next week.
Boreanaz did a very good job in this episode -- not just with the fun of bringing back Angelus, but in the earlier scenes with Faith too. (It helps that Dushku has chemistry with everybody.) The final scene with Buffy is one of my favorite quiet moments this season, a sad but lovely ending.
But I thought he was FAKING being Angelus right?
I guess by now you know, the mayor wasn't faking it with Faith. He really did care for her.
It did confuse me how they got so close so quickly. I think of it as a bit of a plot hole, or at least hollowness, but we do find out it's absolutely real.
Little fun fact: in the original script of this episode Faith was supposed to kiss Buffy on the lips instead of the forehead, but the network didn't allow it to happen :(
Par for the course for them...
I wonder if that is true. As all I have seen is people saying that on fan sites, but nobody actually linking the script. Also, with Whedon saying that there was no intended Faith/Buffy sexual chemistry, it makes it seem very unlikely. However, if it was in the script, it seems like it would be more of a Godfather, "Kiss of Death" type thing
so much Buffy/Faith lover subtext in season 3.
@@alexh8613 'death of the author' - the subtext is there whether Whedon intended it or not. :)
@@writingalias4401 Oh it's definitely there. But it also wasn't intended to be there
I think season 4 is my favorite so I can’t wait until you get into it
same... it's so unpopular and sure, it's not the best, but i find myself going back to it so often that the numbers don't lie - it must be my favourite! definitely my comfort season
The twists of this show!! Enjoy!! You re seeing one of the best of history!!
This is one of my favourite episodes of the series. And regarding Xander getting punched by Angel, that was the best thing Angel could have done. Angelus would have done worse. Punching Xander was doing Xander a favour.
Too bad if it had killed him right.
AMEN..
I think this is a good episode to say that Eliza Dushku (who plays Faith) was consciously always pushing Faith's sexuality to be fluid and open. The vibes you're picking up from Faith to Buffy are very deliberate from Eliza herself.
Which is kinda weird because she said in an interview that she stopped playing gay or gay-adjacent roles after her Mormon grandmother took issue with her being gay in SOUL SURVIVOR.
@@Theomite well she said in an interview that she pushed Faith's sexuality to not be straight. Depends on the interview?
@@SashaRicky SOUL SURVIVOR came out in '02 so I suppose it depends on the year. I seem to remember that in JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK (2001) the entire girl heist team was supposed to be gay but she asked Kevin Smith to change her part to straight because of her family. She's Albanian and those people don't fuck around when it comes to family respect.
@@Theomite So strange. I suspect it was just that one time for her gran though? As Eliza is still a public supporter of LGBTQ+ rights.
Admit it. Even as little sense as it made, David Boreanaz's acting is so elite, we all believed for at least a second Angelus was truly back.
Angelus punching Xander on the street is much more fun when you know it´s actually Angel! :D
Lol, so funny that it took a bit to sink in that it wasn’t Angelus 😂
Willow spilling the T about Faith is one of my favourite parts.
I can't even with that Bell and you keep upping the anti, it's fantastic. Also no worries I'm pretty sure as long as Giles has a paper weight around, they can restore angels soul ☺️.
"ante" not "anti." It's a gambling term, not a prefix.
@@Theomite Lol true! I'm just glad it's not what text to talk wanted "auntie." I don't know my computers excuse on that but to be fair on the other, I don't Gamble. I just heard the phrase one too many times on television.
Cordelia: "I study best in a good restaurant... around eight-ish?"
Pretty sure the mayor's plan was like "Take the soul, hurt Buffy, Angelus keeps her busy and she can't interfere with the mayor's plans for the ascention"
The Mayor genuinely loves Faith, and feels paternally toward her. His sunny disposition is not an act - that's who he actually is. At the core he is a warm, cheerful, funny guy. You don't have to hiss and snarl and chew the scenery to be evil, you just have to do evil. Just like there's basically decent people who're grumpy and unpleasant all the time. I should know, I'm one of them.
I think you are going the wrong direction with the sexual context. I don't think it is about sexuality rather that Faith is hyper sexualized and uses it as a tool. Not just the act itself but the subject matter. Her bluntness about the subject puts her in a position of power over others (particularly Buffy and Angel whose sexual past is a "touchy" subject) who tend to be embarrassed over the subject.
This episode is one of the reasons this seasons dominates the others
I think it's the magic in Eliza's performance, that as crazy and evil as she gets, we love her and root for her. Faith is just a magical character. On the rewatches, it's great, knowing what's coming.
The psych-out of this episode is just... fucking INCREDIBLE!!!! Joss and company were on top of their game during this season.
I just noticed after so many watches that in that scene with Faith and "Angelus" in the mayor's office, Faith has her hair pulled back, like the mayor suggested.
lmaoo the lesbian flag waving in the background when faith kissed buffy's forehead...... we love sapphics
Thankyou for getting this out before Christmas, it is definitely one of the best episodes ever, enjoy the holidays
Love your reactions! Can't wait to see you do the next episode - it's one of my favorites of the season. :D
Your reaction on this was perfection. This is one of the best episodes to watch reactions to. lol! It's wild.
Remember, Xander was thinking Angel could be evil as recently as "Revelations", when he told Faith about Angel having the Glove of Myhnegon and she went to attack him.
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In my head its spelled "The glove of mini-gun".
can i just say, i love your reactions lol as buffy reactions go, yours are awesome.. the edits are hilarious too.. i applaud thee.
the buffy/faith subtext is such an interesting topic imo, would love to hear a deeper analysis from you when you've watched the season!
Faith is established to tie sex and violence together really early on, she treats men like sex objects to maintain her power. Her kind of sexually pushing on Buffy always just felt like another way to try and dominate her subconsciously.
The thing that always gets me on this is the plan apparently was for Angel to hand Faith sharp pointy weapons while Buffy antagonizes the crap out of the homicidal woman? She buries a knife in the wall 1/4” inch from Buffy’s head.
Merry Christmas, Alley, or Happy whichever Holiday! I've nothing to say except that I love this season so much, largely because of how complicated Faith is and how she rocks the interrelations of the Scoobs. And though I know you've finished the season, I'ma say nothing except...she's a lot to talk about. She's one of the most compelling characters this show has had. S3 is one of my two faves, more so than S2...S2 was brutal but this one strikes more chords with me.
OMG the start of the video was so precious, I can't -
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love the mayor and faith - you think he's simply astute enough to give her what she craves (love) to gain her loyalty but then it turns out he genuinely does care? OUCH
I've come to this conclusion a few times, now that I'm 3 seasons deep into these videos. But, you are so Willow. "You have too many thoughts."
The real star of this episode is Willow’s coat
im obsessed with it
can i tell you how much I lovvvveeeee watching thee with you after seeing them 20 years ago and this is your first time?
you crack me up
I am really enjoying your reactions to Buffy :-)
Faiths Frank Grimes moment "What do you have to show for it? Everything! A dreamhouse, 2 cars, a beautiful wife, a son who owns a factory, fancy clothes and lobster for dinner! And do you deserve any of it? No!"
Commenting on the actual reaction instead of just drawing a Simpsons comparison, that murderers anonymous bit cracked me up
Actually this episode's title is a stealth shout out to another popular tv show of the 1990s. Check out in an episode or two when Buffy finds out that Angel has been macking with someone else, and then remember the final lines of this ep.
Buffy: How could you?
Angel: *WE WERE ON A BREAK!*
THE DOG. I clicked thumbs up so fast.
2:02 oh, you sweet summer child
As for the Angelus thing, I think the Mayor just wanted Angelus on his side. I mean he did recently lose Mr. Trick, so there is an opening for an intelligent and vicious vampire to be his right hand man
The twist at the end of this episode is one of my favorite moments. As for the gay subtext, a fair amount of that is Eliza's acting style. She pushed that a little too much and the writers and directors (according to commentary and the like) said that no one really stopped her from doing it.
Angel and Angelus both know what the other did and how to be the other, they just hate each other so much.
I Love your Videos! And I Love this Special Episode! Best Day of my Life! This Bell idea is Genius! 😊
Fun fact: Angle is not faking Angelus, he let him out a little. It’s his Dark Side. It’s the same Person. Punching Xander... „This Guy bugs me.“
Giles has his Dark Side, too. It’s Ripper.
In this Episode we Finaly see Good Daemons.. sort of...
people who subscribe to the 'two different people' idea need to read this comment. and then read it again
Great twist in the episode.
Hey! I just realised: no scene of the cat bells being reinstated after you found out it was a fake-out? #bringbackthebells
Happy Holidays Alley!
i see on the patreon youre already into season 4 so this is kinda late but about Faith, when youre doing your psych analysis of her and saying that nothing good ever happens for her so her personality is what we get now, i think youre forgetting an aspect of her life that is really pivotal - she was also chosen by destiny to be a Slayer.
thats pretty huge for her. i think its the biggest possible "good thing" that could have happened for her. she inherits a destiny and that makes everything she went through in life before that seem "worth it" in a way. so her heel turn is really understandable with how the Scoobies freeze her out, Giles makes no attempt to be involved with her on the level he is with Buffy, and all Faith really has left is the destiny she was handed but Buffy tries to take it away from her over a mistake. there was many opportunities for anyone at all to put in some effort to reach out to her before things went this route, but that never happened until The Mayor.
By season 2 buffy isn't the slayer anyone more. She is a slayer but not the slayer.
I don't want to presume too much about Faith's history, but problematic hypersexuality is sometimes (emphasis on sometimes; this is not universally the case) a response to trauma. I don't know if she's so much in touch with her sexuality as relying on it as a means of control and source of validation.
The Angel & Faith connection has to do with the ongoing addiction metaphor the show is doing. He's in recovery and she's spiraling.
Textually so far, her mother was physically abusive and she watched her watcher get tortured to death.
However, keep in mind that indulging her sexuality hasn't been traumatic for her as far as we know, so that positive experience in the process of compensation probably created some legitimate enjoyment of the sex along with the control and the validation. I mean, that's something beneficial at least: she doesn't have painful sex abuse memories.
@@Theomite Hypersexuality caused by trauma doesn't have to be re-traumatizing. It can even be a way for the brain to counterbalance the memory of not being in control with memories of being in control. It's complex stuff. A lot of symptoms of trauma are coping/survival mechanisms.
Yeah, I was confused as heck back in the day too. I had to rewind the scene on my VCR a few times to understand what had happened. When I first watched this episode, that powershift when Angelus was in the Mayor's office, I was like...wow.
I'm probably in the minority about never sensing the 'gay' subtext between Buffy and Faith lol It's only when I started watching Buffy reactions and reading the fans' commentaries that I just noticed it so yeah... 🤷♀️