I've been messing with recording just the kick on beat 1 and sometimes the snare in bar 4 using quantize (16/3!). That seems to establish a solid loop and a way to get no gap, then I'll fill / overdub in the rest non-quantized. I've found too, quantizing some chops to downbeats helps to avoid the "gap" in the loop as well. Definitely took some experimenting to get it right, but really dig the pattern sequencer for creating difference layers of a beat and jamming between them to come up with an arrangement. Also like creating variations on the drum loops I can switch between a couple pads to keep things evolving.
Nice man. I've actually tried quantizing the first kick before but ran into problems with that as well, think it originally had it as recorded in the right place then just removed it or something, very weird stuff going on with it lol. I'm gonna try do a few more beats with it after the tips you and some others have left. Thanks a lot!
Re, the issue with the gap, Ive found that recording the drums first and then adding the samples seems to solve this. The pattern sequencer isn’t the best but it has a quality all of its own and you just have to work round it! Hope this helps everyone!
Yeah that can work. I find that doing the samples without quantise can also help massively to stop the gap as well as holding the last chop down for slightly longer than you think
That is definitely a plus about the pattern select. Sometimes resampling leaves you with less space. You can layer the heck out of samples with the pattern select. I really should use it more often.
What you said man. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how to stem out a song I made. Copy the pattern over to as many pads as I have active tracks and go and “edit” or erase everything except the stem.
Yea the problem with the sequencer is more to do with the methodology of chopping on the sp. Everything is rough, and samples aren't chopped to an exact tempo. You really have to make sure you're last sample especially is long enough to cover the gap. With the way it's setup i don't use the sequencer. It's just a tiny bit too fiddly usually. It depends on your process
Thanks for the tips man completely agree! Definitely need to have another look into it at some point! For now I've mainly been doing treatment to the samples on the SP then importing them into Ableton to do all the arranging, works really nicely I think!
I use the pattern sequencer because I'm not very good at laying out drums and staying on tempo in my head. The one thing I don't like about it is what you said about the gap between loops. I thought it was just my drumming but now I know that it's just a flaw with the sequencer. Anyways thanks for sharing and great beat as usual!
Thanks man yeah that gap is a huge flaw, it would actually use it a lot more if it wasn't for that! Still fun to have a play around with though. Glad to find out its not just me that hears it haha
Yea shit I only have used the pattern sequencer as well instead of just resampling everything but I think I’m just going to start to try resampling. I mostly just use the sp for sound design but I sometimes make beats on it
Cool man yeah I think resampling and/or bouncing to an external device is the best way to get the wavey sound without any tecnical hold-ups! Like i mentioned I won't be switching after this experiment but people from a more structured music background might prefer to have a bit more control
forever SHAMPOO what I do is usually chop up samples and lay drums on them in the pattern sequencer on the SP, then take it into fl studio on my computer
The gap still fits within the exact time signatures as your 4 bar loop. The reason why the gap exist is because it’s crucial that you let go of the pad right before the end of the loop or else the gap is recorded in. It takes precision and timing.
Yeah man definitely need to practice more with it. It’s not my favourite method for making beats I find it tedious and slow but maybe some more work with it will help overcome that! 👍
spvidz I’m fairly new to the sp family, just got the 404 and my first attempts I ran into the gap issue using the sequencer, I’m pretty old school so i just wanted to defeat the issue by working with the discrepancy rather than against it. But most of these other methods I’ve read in the comments seem to have a more thought out process, you can tell who has aged well with these samplers. I will be trying everything I’ve read just to see how i can expand and implement others knowledge on the craft, this device is amazing. Thanks for building this community!
Hey dude,, nice video might have a, play about with the, pattern sequencer. After this just to see how it works but resample seems so much quicker as well lol. Great video again man.
Yeah definitely man, its not convinced me to move over to it but its cool to have it as an option to play with now and again. I wanna try some lofi house, i reckon it could be useful for that!
its a portable recorder. I used it a bit for recording sound while my laptop wasn't recording properly. Check out my video for a full description here - th-cam.com/video/cy0_TVE_OUo/w-d-xo.html I don't actually use it any more for this but is great for recordings out and about!
Unrelated to your beat making but when did youtube get such high video quality settings? I can literally see the callouses on your hand! Time to start making videos better than 1080p60fps!
Not that I’m aware of. Best thing to do would be to finish your loop. Record it into something else (for example another SP - this is why a lot of people have more than one) then record it back in onto a pad and add the mfx you want. Never straight forward with the SP :)
Not sure about speed but that's not too much of a concern for me. I think they are probably about the same but resampling is a lot more destructive so thats definitely something the pattern seq has going for it!
@@spvidz Okay interesting. So that would be small (headphone jack) to RCA input in the back of the SP, is that what you mean? I already have a small headphone jack to mic in cord...will this also work?
Yeah that will work as well but it might be mono - have a look how many black bands are on the end of the jack you need two for a stereo input I think. The cable I would use is this one - amzn.to/2WeDSIb
I really like using the pattern sequencer but for some reason when I make one pattern in a bank then switch to another bank to make another pattern (like from A to C) the bpm from patternA changes to what I make it for patternB even though they are completely different beats and in separate banks. Am I just doing something wrong?
@@spvidz so at the end of your tracks before they fade to silence, is there a strange glitch nose that happens? if so, that's because the DAW is in a higher bit rate than the SP and your loosing quality. you can bounce audio out of a daw down to 16 bit and choose to 'dither' it. this was created to stop that noise happening.
99% sure it won't remember what you've done no, you just have to do the FX live as you are recording it. Best way to find out is give it a try if you already have one ;)
@@spvidz I will! this is really interesting. I asked this cause I dont wnt to rely on daw and I want to do all of it on just the 404. I am curious what people will come up with for the 404 contest
Yeah thats fair man, i actually use a DAW to record everything out to and will sometimes apply a bit of EQ and boost the volume. I've moved away from the FX quite a bit in my last few tapes but the way I'd probably use them in future is get the full beat in the daw, save it as a wav and import it to the SP again so its on one pad, then record it into the DAW again whist applying FX live
That gap you're hearing is NOT the fault of the pattern sequencer. First of all, you opted to record without the quantize on, so it is absolutely on you if your samples aren't lining up perfectly with the sequencer's loop-point on playback. Secondly, unless you chop your samples perfectly, to a grid, at a given tempo, and then choose that exact same tempo for your sequence, you will either get a gap at the end of the sequence, or your samples will choke prematurely. Cheers!
@@spvidz As an example, I use an SX for triggering ambient sample loops alongside a drum machine. The SX receives MIDI clock from the drum machine, but the samples are triggered by the 404's internal sequencer, recorded into patterns. However, I meticulously chop and warp my samples to the grid in Ableton, to the exact tempo, note division, and bar length they will later be used at, before loading them into the SP. The patterns on the SP are then recorded using quantize, and the samples loop seamlessly as expected! Now, if any of those samples were even so much as a fraction of a second too short, there would be gaps in the audio. When you use the resample method, and drum your patterns in free-hand, you can adjust your playing to compensate for the perceived tempo of your samples, and later crop the end of the sequence for a clean loop. The sequencer, on the other hand, is a robot, and it doesn't make exceptions for poorly prepared samples... ;) Cheers!
@@keeganciampa3987 Preachy? Keep it human? Hey, man, don't presume to know what I'm about just because you read something on the Internet, or take my comments out of context for that matter. What I said above was meant only to illustrate that there is nothing wrong with the sequencer on the 404; and that the gap in the audio when the pattern loops, as observed in this video, is simply the result of "keeping it human" while attempting to use the sequencer to record an unquantized performance with unquantized samples, instead of recording using the resample method. I mentioned both methods, I did not advocate for either, and I certainly don't appreciate you calling me "preachy". At any rate, I was just answering a question; for which I was thanked, I might add. You, on the other hand, know nothing about me or my aesthetic as a musician, and you couldn’t be more wrong in your presumptions. Cheers!
Cool! I started using the pattern sequencer because it allowed me to track out everything and adjust the levels at a later time if I needed to. Before that I used the resample method and would typically realize I lost detail on other speakers after the fact. I like your idea of using the daw, you play live with the tracks you recorded earlier and build onto it with a separate channel. Did I understand that right? Seems like a better work around than what I’m currently using.
Yeah thats a good point actually, the pattern maker is a lot less destructive, although maybe that's what I kind of like about resampling - there's no going back ha! So yeah what I basically do is record a drum loop onto a pad and then play my samples along to that live whilst recording in ableton. I then record that full beat back into my SP and then back into ableton again but this time doing some MFX on the fly like DJ looper etc. I find that workflow works best for me at the moment.
Yeah I’ve played more with the pattern maker since this and managed to get better loops however it is still difficult to get the first best in time I find, even with quantise turned on it can occasionally still sound out of time! Another quirk of the SP! Thanks for watching
Imagine getting pinned by spvids
imagine no more ma guy!
@@spvidz thank you!
love the vids.
No worries man and glad to hear it! Appreciate the support
1. Record first note/downbeat (KD) of first bar with quant on
2. Turn quant off rest of recording
Maybe “gap” issue will be resolved 🤗cheers
Yeah need to try this. Dilla did the same on the MPC
Was this the reason for the gap? Did anyone try?
@@spvidz did it work??
@@kemurinine4272 see my latest video - i go into a lot more detail about making a beat with the pattern seq and solving the gap issues!
I've been messing with recording just the kick on beat 1 and sometimes the snare in bar 4 using quantize (16/3!). That seems to establish a solid loop and a way to get no gap, then I'll fill / overdub in the rest non-quantized. I've found too, quantizing some chops to downbeats helps to avoid the "gap" in the loop as well. Definitely took some experimenting to get it right, but really dig the pattern sequencer for creating difference layers of a beat and jamming between them to come up with an arrangement. Also like creating variations on the drum loops I can switch between a couple pads to keep things evolving.
Nice man. I've actually tried quantizing the first kick before but ran into problems with that as well, think it originally had it as recorded in the right place then just removed it or something, very weird stuff going on with it lol. I'm gonna try do a few more beats with it after the tips you and some others have left. Thanks a lot!
@@spvidz yeah definitely takes some trial and error!
Re, the issue with the gap, Ive found that recording the drums first and then adding the samples seems to solve this. The pattern sequencer isn’t the best but it has a quality all of its own and you just have to work round it! Hope this helps everyone!
Yeah that can work. I find that doing the samples without quantise can also help massively to stop the gap as well as holding the last chop down for slightly longer than you think
I had no idea you could record over patterns after you finished recording, that changes my whole workflow! 👍🏾
Awesome man yeah I remember figuring it out and thinking the same thing! Glad the video helped you in some way :)
That is definitely a plus about the pattern select. Sometimes resampling leaves you with less space. You can layer the heck out of samples with the pattern select. I really should use it more often.
What you said man. I’m sitting here trying to figure out how to stem out a song I made.
Copy the pattern over to as many pads as I have active tracks and go and “edit” or erase everything except the stem.
Yea the problem with the sequencer is more to do with the methodology of chopping on the sp. Everything is rough, and samples aren't chopped to an exact tempo. You really have to make sure you're last sample especially is long enough to cover the gap. With the way it's setup i don't use the sequencer. It's just a tiny bit too fiddly usually. It depends on your process
Thanks for the tips man completely agree! Definitely need to have another look into it at some point! For now I've mainly been doing treatment to the samples on the SP then importing them into Ableton to do all the arranging, works really nicely I think!
I use the pattern sequencer because I'm not very good at laying out drums and staying on tempo in my head. The one thing I don't like about it is what you said about the gap between loops. I thought it was just my drumming but now I know that it's just a flaw with the sequencer. Anyways thanks for sharing and great beat as usual!
Thanks man yeah that gap is a huge flaw, it would actually use it a lot more if it wasn't for that! Still fun to have a play around with though. Glad to find out its not just me that hears it haha
Yea shit I only have used the pattern sequencer as well instead of just resampling everything but I think I’m just going to start to try resampling. I mostly just use the sp for sound design but I sometimes make beats on it
Cool man yeah I think resampling and/or bouncing to an external device is the best way to get the wavey sound without any tecnical hold-ups! Like i mentioned I won't be switching after this experiment but people from a more structured music background might prefer to have a bit more control
forever SHAMPOO what I do is usually chop up samples and lay drums on them in the pattern sequencer on the SP, then take it into fl studio on my computer
spvidz no doubt
The gap still fits within the exact time signatures as your 4 bar loop. The reason why the gap exist is because it’s crucial that you let go of the pad right before the end of the loop or else the gap is recorded in. It takes precision and timing.
Yeah man definitely need to practice more with it. It’s not my favourite method for making beats I find it tedious and slow but maybe some more work with it will help overcome that! 👍
spvidz I’m fairly new to the sp family, just got the 404 and my first attempts I ran into the gap issue using the sequencer, I’m pretty old school so i just wanted to defeat the issue by working with the discrepancy rather than against it. But most of these other methods I’ve read in the comments seem to have a more thought out process, you can tell who has aged well with these samplers. I will be trying everything I’ve read just to see how i can expand and implement others knowledge on the craft, this device is amazing. Thanks for building this community!
Nasty sample bro
Thanks man, appreciate you watching!
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Hey dude,, nice video might have a, play about with the, pattern sequencer. After this just to see how it works but resample seems so much quicker as well lol. Great video again man.
Yeah definitely man, its not convinced me to move over to it but its cool to have it as an option to play with now and again. I wanna try some lofi house, i reckon it could be useful for that!
Great video
Awesome technique. I’ve just purchased a SP What’s that device off to the left used for?
its a portable recorder. I used it a bit for recording sound while my laptop wasn't recording properly. Check out my video for a full description here - th-cam.com/video/cy0_TVE_OUo/w-d-xo.html I don't actually use it any more for this but is great for recordings out and about!
welcome to the gang as well btw!
spvidz Pleasures mines. Also, what are some good affordable turntables you’d recommend Bruv?
have you checked out the pt-01 by numark? really cool little turntable, I have one myself and love using it - amzn.to/2F4XvdS
spvidz That part, Bruv. How long have you been producing? Also, how can I sample actually like dialogues (ie...movies, etc)
Regarding the gap issue I've found that if all the samples I've chopped are the same bpm i.e. 90 bpm it stops the space at the end of the bar.
Thanks for the info mate, I need to spend a bit more time with it!
good shit bro
Thanks man!
Unrelated to your beat making but when did youtube get such high video quality settings? I can literally see the callouses on your hand! Time to start making videos better than 1080p60fps!
4K has been around for a while but I’ve only just started uploading in it again
Is it possible to resample the performance done in the pattern sequencer?
Not that I’m aware of. Best thing to do would be to finish your loop. Record it into something else (for example another SP - this is why a lot of people have more than one) then record it back in onto a pad and add the mfx you want. Never straight forward with the SP :)
spvidz got it! I’m my case I’ll use Ableton. Thanks for the information. Love your vids
Yeah a DAW is a good option too. Glad to hear that too!
Omg homie g slice i love your videos.
Thanks man!
are you using your field recorder as an input and an output back into the sp?
Hey, no I was just using it to record the audio that’s coming out of the SX!
thanks for this. would you say you could achieve the same result resampling faster than sequencing? cheers!!
Not sure about speed but that's not too much of a concern for me. I think they are probably about the same but resampling is a lot more destructive so thats definitely something the pattern seq has going for it!
@@spvidz Thanks! I guess a way to rephrase is do you tend to resample or you use the sequencer more often?
I hardly use the sequencer tbh I’m all about resample
Yo these chops are 🔥 do you have this song on Spotify or SoundCloud?
Thanks a lot! Yeah I've got a soundcloud - soundcloud.com/user-100688196
@@spvidz I couldn't find this song for this video specifically
enorme bro
Can you record direct from your field recorder to the SP via the headphone jack output on the field recorder to the mic input on the SP?
You don't need to go to mic in, you can just get a small jack to phono cable and go into 'input' in the back.
@@spvidz Okay interesting. So that would be small (headphone jack) to RCA input in the back of the SP, is that what you mean? I already have a small headphone jack to mic in cord...will this also work?
Yeah that will work as well but it might be mono - have a look how many black bands are on the end of the jack you need two for a stereo input I think. The cable I would use is this one - amzn.to/2WeDSIb
I really like using the pattern sequencer but for some reason when I make one pattern in a bank then switch to another bank to make another pattern (like from A to C) the bpm from patternA changes to what I make it for patternB even though they are completely different beats and in separate banks. Am I just doing something wrong?
Weird one that - I will have to get the SP out and have a look!
btw, man I wanted to ask you...do you have dithering problems when recording from Ableton into the SP?
I don’t tend to do that much man so not sure. Maybe export them as wavs and use the SD importer instead, probably a better option I reckon
@@spvidz so at the end of your tracks before they fade to silence, is there a strange glitch nose that happens?
if so, that's because the DAW is in a higher bit rate than the SP and your loosing quality.
you can bounce audio out of a daw down to 16 bit and choose to 'dither' it. this was created to stop that noise happening.
Not sure I've heard that man but will have a listen, thanks for the tip!
if you an effect for a part in one pattern does it remain there permanently
like automation for ableton?
99% sure it won't remember what you've done no, you just have to do the FX live as you are recording it. Best way to find out is give it a try if you already have one ;)
@@spvidz I will! this is really interesting. I asked this cause I dont wnt to rely on daw and I want to do all of it on just the 404. I am curious what people will come up with for the 404 contest
Yeah thats fair man, i actually use a DAW to record everything out to and will sometimes apply a bit of EQ and boost the volume. I've moved away from the FX quite a bit in my last few tapes but the way I'd probably use them in future is get the full beat in the daw, save it as a wav and import it to the SP again so its on one pad, then record it into the DAW again whist applying FX live
resample vs pattern sequencer?
I don't really use either, see my latest video to see how I make most of my beats
That gap you're hearing is NOT the fault of the pattern sequencer. First of all, you opted to record without the quantize on, so it is absolutely on you if your samples aren't lining up perfectly with the sequencer's loop-point on playback. Secondly, unless you chop your samples perfectly, to a grid, at a given tempo, and then choose that exact same tempo for your sequence, you will either get a gap at the end of the sequence, or your samples will choke prematurely. Cheers!
Yeah the problem must be at the start of the loop I will have to try quantising the first sample and beats to see if that changes anything, thanks!
@@spvidz As an example, I use an SX for triggering ambient sample loops alongside a drum machine. The SX receives MIDI clock from the drum machine, but the samples are triggered by the 404's internal sequencer, recorded into patterns. However, I meticulously chop and warp my samples to the grid in Ableton, to the exact tempo, note division, and bar length they will later be used at, before loading them into the SP. The patterns on the SP are then recorded using quantize, and the samples loop seamlessly as expected! Now, if any of those samples were even so much as a fraction of a second too short, there would be gaps in the audio. When you use the resample method, and drum your patterns in free-hand, you can adjust your playing to compensate for the perceived tempo of your samples, and later crop the end of the sequence for a clean loop. The sequencer, on the other hand, is a robot, and it doesn't make exceptions for poorly prepared samples... ;) Cheers!
@@SandcastleTheory Helpful and preachy, don't quantize. keep it human.
@@keeganciampa3987 Preachy? Keep it human? Hey, man, don't presume to know what I'm about just because you read something on the Internet, or take my comments out of context for that matter. What I said above was meant only to illustrate that there is nothing wrong with the sequencer on the 404; and that the gap in the audio when the pattern loops, as observed in this video, is simply the result of "keeping it human" while attempting to use the sequencer to record an unquantized performance with unquantized samples, instead of recording using the resample method. I mentioned both methods, I did not advocate for either, and I certainly don't appreciate you calling me "preachy". At any rate, I was just answering a question; for which I was thanked, I might add. You, on the other hand, know nothing about me or my aesthetic as a musician, and you couldn’t be more wrong in your presumptions. Cheers!
@@SandcastleTheory 1 Noun, 2 adjectives, and a verb man That's all I typed.
And you just preached again kinda proving my point. Chill.
En español no hay nada de tutoriales 😢
Sirve que aprendemos algo de ingles ponte los subtítulos, con paciencia si se puede aprender con estos videos :3
@@NautilusGoth gracias bro en eso estoy progresando y aprendiendo
COMO SE LLAMA EL SAMPLE BRO
I dont give samples out sorry man!
4:16 did you put an effect on all those pads at the same time there?
Yep - using remain
spvidz nice i didnt know that
Yeah it’s very useful!
Cool! I started using the pattern sequencer because it allowed me to track out everything and adjust the levels at a later time if I needed to. Before that I used the resample method and would typically realize I lost detail on other speakers after the fact. I like your idea of using the daw, you play live with the tracks you recorded earlier and build onto it with a separate channel. Did I understand that right? Seems like a better work around than what I’m currently using.
Yeah thats a good point actually, the pattern maker is a lot less destructive, although maybe that's what I kind of like about resampling - there's no going back ha! So yeah what I basically do is record a drum loop onto a pad and then play my samples along to that live whilst recording in ableton. I then record that full beat back into my SP and then back into ableton again but this time doing some MFX on the fly like DJ looper etc. I find that workflow works best for me at the moment.
i think the reason your getting the gap is because there is a gap at the begining and not end.
Yeah I’ve played more with the pattern maker since this and managed to get better loops however it is still difficult to get the first best in time I find, even with quantise turned on it can occasionally still sound out of time! Another quirk of the SP! Thanks for watching
@@spvidz love your fids man, never cease to make me dust off my sp and give beat making on it a go.
Glad to hear that man 👌
enorme bro