@@amcluesent DH is good if you want a couple of cheap watches to mess about with. Big no no are those people who buy Noobs then try and sell them as real
Crazy to see how elevated your quality has gone in just 2 years since this video, this video isn’t even bad it’s just your recent videos are such insane quality! Well done Adrian!
Band stretch isn’t caused by the watch being «worn too tight» (8:40), but the opposite, worn so loose that it slides all the way down to where your wrist widens, or even a bit past the wrist joint itself, and where the hand begins and you then BEND THE WRIST with even the slightest force, especially upwards, the way you do when you LEAN ON A TABLE, PALM FLAT DOWN, and other similar situations. What happens is you JACK IT WIDER each time. It’s the momentum that turns the relatively small force you are aware of into the LARGE FORCE needed to bend vulnerable steel elements in a bracelet.
Really enjoyed your video. Just started watching some of yours in the last 2 months and find your style refreshingly down to earth and honest. I bought my first Rolex submariner, a 5512 , in 1968 in the main PX in Da Nang . I think I paid $240 , and still have that watch today . It started me on a lifelong journey with watches. I've collected, what I like to think , is a pretty solid group of time peices over the years . For my every day rotation sub, I have a newer , super case 116610ln that gets plenty of wrist time . I've had my original sub factory serviced over the years but have always made sure to include a note requesting that Rolex do no polishing other than hand wipe down to the watch . That insured that no damage was ever done to that case . Any polishing to be done , I can do by hand . Anyway, keep up your video work . Really like what you have to say.
@@mannyfox8089 That was actually a mis-type . The sub that I bought was a 5513. Anyway , I was issued a Tudor Sub , and a few years later a Type 1 Benrus. Every once in a while they would have some other watch they would issue to try out . In Vietnam, just the Tudor sub.
They can be , some of them they are coming as chronometer certified as printed on the dial already , but you can also send yours to get tested , and it can receive a certificate if it passes the test !! no big deal
I bought a Tudor Pelagos off eBay. Came with box, papers, and the receipt. I actually went in an AD to examine their Pelagos- noted how the bezel felt, the sound of the clicks, the details of the clasp and dial. It all checked out. Got a great deal at $2800
I'm actually a dealer and was curious to hear more people's responses to the need for box and papers. To me, for my personal collection, box and papers is important from a collectors standpoint. But for those that don't care and just want a watch in great condition, does having a letter of authenticity put you all at ease? Especially buying from complete strangers over the internet?
"Great condition, barely worn". Proceeds with macros of nicks on the edges deeper than the Marianna trench...This is not a barely worn watch mate, that was a daily beater.
fredrik grime I was close to buying a sub in 2002 or 2001 and it had the hollow strap, I discussed it with the AD when I collected my 116610 last week and he confirmed it.
Jason Kenny Fredrik said hollow end links NOT hollow strap. From 2000 onwards till 2008 they had hollow bracelets but they did bring in hollow end links during that time on the sports models- subs, sea dweller, gmt etc.
I bought a GMT 2 black bezel (ceramic in 2008 ) the green GMT hand model , lovely watch it cost me £3600 from a AD . put £1600 down paid the rest off interest free over 18 months . My wife went mad with me lol I only went out to buy a new T shirt in the local shopping centre !. But it was such an awesome watch and interest free credit I could not resist . I have always collected watches but the Rolex was the single most expensive watch I bought up to that point my previous record was around the £1200 mark for a fantastic Tag . I wore my Rolex as my daily beater , did DIY in it and all sorts never babied it at all I had it serviced by Rolex Uk in 2016 cost me around £500 as I recall ( that made my eyes water ) but it came back looking spanking new yes they polished it but not to heavy IMO . I have the original receipt the service receipt and all the original box papers etc etc that it came with . I was usrprised how much the watch is worth now even on the second hand market and I take great pleasure in reminding my wife how much hell she gave me back in 2008 when I "wasted" all that money on a watch lol . I can't pretend that I bought it as an investment or that I knew the market would appreciate etc etc . At the time it was a aspirational buy and I wore it like any other much much cheaper watch in my collection. I bought the new Airking in 2016 mainly because I saw one in an AD window and despite the controversy over the face design I loved it's quirkeyness. When I bought the AirKing it took me a week or two to get over buyers remorse and realise my first impressions were correct at the time . I believe the Airking 2016 will in time become a classic and much loved model in the Rolex Range depite being called the marmite watch of Rolex . Fast forward to 2020 and I am going to sell my Rolexes and a few lesser pieces as they no longer hold much attraction to me which is kind of strange and hard to believe as they were once prized possessions . I have always had cheaper watches G Shock , Tag , Oris and the like even Orient and a few Seikos all bought for various reasons at various times in my life so I am no watch snob only wishing to wear "perceived success brands " such as Rolex . Truth is I no longer care and am just as happy wearing a middle of the road Seiko or G shock as my Rolexes . In fact after 40 years (since childhood) of collecting watches along the way in my life from my first Timex to my last Rolex I finally feel free of the watch collecting bug that has afflicted me all my life and realise that Most any watch even of reasonable quality and affordability for most anyone can give you accurate timekeeping AND pleasure of ownership it does not have to be a grail watch or an aspiration brand . Personally I feel better having learned that lesson in my heart and got rid of the "bug" hence the intention to sell all but one or two of my cheapest watches to wear as daily beaters and I will be glad to pass them on to someone else to enjoy as I once did . ...Thanks for the upload interesting insight into what makes YOU tick no pun intended as a watch collector . Keep up the good work .
Ebay is actually fairly safe for buyers, but ONLY if you do proper research and really properly check ratings and previous sales etc. also making contact is crucial, phoning them even. Japan is a fairly safe bet. I've heard a lot more dodgy stories about sellers getting scammed than buyers.
Even with all of that, I'd still consider going to a local watchmaker and asking them to take off the back and verify that it had the correct Rolex movement inside. I can't imagine that would cost a great deal and then you'd know for certain. Submariner fakes have gotten so good that that can be virtually the only sure way.
Judging by the scratches and dents the previous owner lost it while cleaning the drum of his cement mixer, fortunately several years later a bulldozer driver uncovered it's remains in a slag pile at the back of the crematorium where it's owner had been incinerated and left after his death due to being hit by an Asteroid...
Hey Adrian. Great vid! I've been wanting 5 digit Sub/GMT for a while which has some vintage charm. But still retain a robust case for active leisure. I've just been thought the exact experience. Though I was mainly window shopping. I spotted a 14060 with a fair price. Upon inspection. It was in very good condition and unpolished case with full lugs and chamfered edges and with all the pointers mentioned. It was circa 1997 Tritium dial with a full set with all the box and papers and tags. Even down to the original purchase receipt! It's literally spent it's whole life in my region. I knew I'd regret it. If i didn't jump on it. To top it off I comes on 12 months warranty. I've been wearing it 2 months straight! Absolutely over the moon!
I just brought a submariner a couple of days ago after weeks of searching. I was not brave enough to buy off eBay as lack of knowledge and so many scammers. Eventually went high street and although paid more, only a few hundred pounds more than yours it was peace of mind knowing its original, working properly and not lost or stolen. I was not concerned about papers as I’ve no intention of re selling and just wearing as often as I can. Great vid, should of seen it before I started my search
When you send your Rolex in to get a service (say it's just the movement you want servicing/regulating) can you request that they don't polish the watch?
I have all the original packaging of my Seadweller and I can tell you the cardboard box that encases my green presentation case only has a couple of mm on each side. So he may have bought a replacement/reproduction box as there seems to be too much space when you removed it at 2:04
Hey Adrian Congrats once again on the new acquisition, Also, it is hard to believe that you paid $7,300 for this 17 yr old example! ( The list on a current one is $7,500) ( I just had to turn down an offer from the AD for a current Ceramic ND Sub @ retail, because that would relinquish my spot on the que for the 126710BLNR Batgirl....)
Great video. Learnt lots of little things I didn't know + great production & audio quality. This is pretty much as good as it gets on TH-cam for any niche subject channel
The fact that he loves his watches so much makes me feel good. I baby my explorer 214270 mark 2 as much as he do. And i LOVE to see more new scratches every week or 2. It makes the watch look more worn. I think everyone love his watch in its own way :)
Congratulations again for finding this beautiful watch! Thank you for sharing the details of the watch and the process of vetting you used. Fantastic video as usual, great job Adrain :)
Sat next to a guy on a flight last week wearing a 2 line Sub that he said he bought 25 years ago. Was wearing my SubC at the time, was a nice opportunity to compare the differences (or lack thereof) between the two watches that were released so far apart.
I watch your videos mate. But you criticised GS for using a coloured sticker on the back off the sbgn 001. This watch has a coloured sticker and you like that one🤔 I’d take all the stickers off😃
What a beauty! How will you choose which one goes on the wrist each day? As I look at my eventual explorer I worry about how my Seamaster will feel when I don't pick it up in the morning :-/
I like this review, and I also have the same watch - mine a D series a couple of years newer. One point though, at 5:25 you mention that you have the Chronometer certification: note that this watch wasn’t a certified chronometer at the time.
You’ve got me thinking now.... I’d always assumed my 2005 D series 14060M was non-chronometer, I bought it new from an AD and no chronometer paperwork with it - checked again just now. But yours does! A quick search on the internet shows a few other sites saying that 14060M wasn’t certified as such until 2007.
Hey Adrian. Could you please do a comparison between your Kermit and this Submariner? Would be interesting to see how these compare. Thanks for the great video
@@jaredryan1505 Hi Justin, they really aren't same watch. It's like someone owning a Range Rover Sport, and a Defender. On paper they are same. Both subs are dive watches, both are from Rolex, but the design and they feel completely different. The Kermit feels solid and modern and the 14060m feel light and vintage. It's the last of the vintage looking subs with the 2 lines of text. The Kermit is green and doesn't really work with straps. The black 14060m works with all different style of straps and colours. The biggest thing is, the Kermit is worth £13k+. I'm going to stop wearing it because of that. Cheers, Adrian
Get it serviced ASAP. It's been dropped, hence the huge beat error. Also, the lubricants will have dried up. I agree with you regarding refinishing the case, it just destroys the character of the watch.
A couple of hundred pounds more, and you would have gotten a brand spanking new 114060 with five years warranty. But I guess you are heavily into those vintage watches.
@@J-SH06 No! I got my Sub Date in around three months on the "waiting list", so that is not true at all. It can take up to a year if you are a nobody with no previous relation to the AD, but still no five years. Get real man! 🤣
@@dennischen8887 Well these days it's a bit harder than last year, but of course easier than the Hulk. But if you have the right connection with your AD, that would also be possible, if you have the patience.
I see a small gap between the SEL and the watch case on your kermit. Is this a result of it being an older watch or were the older SEL rolex watch just made like this?
Why at 13.07 the number 14060M on the green sticker is gone, after you said that you’d have been careful with this while cleaning the back with alcool? It looks like it’s not about the angle, it definitely looks like it’s another watch. Please explain.
Be careful if you decide to return the watch to the seller, the authenticator can claim you scratched the watch even if you never took it out its box. Ebay will side with their "experts" leaving you with a busted watch and huge bill. I am going through this nightmare right now.
The quality of Rolex packaging is an indicator of their overall product. Grossly over rated and over valued. Not junk. Not terrible. They're nice, but they are also 100% a product of marketing.
Lol you act like other brands in the price range in that era had much better. The red on my omega box and card wallet for the first gen 300m has literally melted off and dyed everything in sight 🤮
That is a nice watch. Love that it came with everything. I just started collecting watches last year and have 35... it is a sickness. Many if not most have been bought off eBay but mine are inexpensive watches. The nice thing is I can and do look at thousands of watches before I pull the trigger on a $25 vintage Cort with display case, outer box, and papers. Does it make sense to buy something that is not worth the value of a service... no, but it is a collection, pieces of history, they run, and I might wear it one day per month. I wish I could find someone who will just repair a watch and not do the full service.
I've been buying watches off eBay for a while now. Last watch I bought was a Rolex Date Just from Nigeria.Great condition looks like new, just disappointed in Rolex quality it's no better than an Alpha watch and I hate the limited edition mechanism in the watch where you have to wind it every 4 hours.The person I bought it from said that's the Rolex way! X
Stainless steel are far more sought after than precious metal. The steel models up in value because the demand is so high. The gold and platinum watch depreciate massively because the demand is low.
Great video and congratulations once again. Watching the process of how you bring your watches to like new, without ruining its character is very helpful.
Actually times has changed and it is scarier to sell on ebay than buy things. Research and you will find out that you are very much protected by ebay and paypal when something goes wrong, too much protected that ebay and paypal always side with the buyer and sellers are the one getting scammed nowadays. Not just that, the seller will bear the 10% final value fees, insertion fees and 3-4.5% paypal fees. Then after all that the buyer decides to scam you off.. tough luck.
I would be very interested to hear what you watch guy makes of the insides and whether it is the real deal. None of the Rolexes I owned for 20 years plus with no servicing were anywhere near +10 never mind +17. Sounds more like a Tissot.
Errr no, no fucker sees the sticker on the back and it prevents the inevitable scratches that happen when you park your watch on the desk. You have to be a reasonably clean person to keep the sticker and make it look fresh. The previous owner of this watch obviously has been challenged on the hygiene front.
@@z00h or he could just get a sticker from the box and stick it back on. Plus the back of the watch wouldnt touch a desk as it has a metal strap that doesnt fully open
I bought a 14060 (1994) off eBay. I took it to the local AD and they said everything on it looks good and original. But I want to know if the bezel was replaced. How can I tell? (this was before they starting etching the crystal with the crown logo). The AD said it they couldn't tell for certain without removing the bezel which they weren't prepared to do unless they were servicing it.
I seem to remember you saying on more than one occasion that you bought the Explorer because it flew under the radar compared to the Sub and you were less likely to get mugged? So does this purchase indicate a change of opinion regarding street crime, a feeling that Scotland is safer or have you taken up Krav Magar?? I’ve bought a number of watches on eBay and so far, no disasters but agree with everything you say, particularly buy the buyer. Enjoy the new arrival! 😁
I just bought a Tudor Pelagos from eBay. It really is quite frightening and the worst bit (which is usually the most fun) is the unboxing. Your eyes everywhere just trying to confirm all the details are correct at once and then when your anxiety eases a bit, getting up close with a lens to make sure.
Love your vids, just wanted to reach out to say your video kit has some problems with auto-focus. For example around the 0:20 mark the lanyard in the background keeps shifting in and out of focus. I noticed the same in some of your other vids. Time to change the focus settings? Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next video!
He already has a Green Sub and an Explorer and has now paid a considerable sum to buy another Sub. There are so many other options out there for that kind of money. Anyway it’s his cash and if it makes him happy good on Adrian. I am sure the Grand Seiko Quartz will be gone in the near future to make room for yet another Rolex 😂
ive just brought a 2001 one sub same model, it will be in my collection then given to my daughter in 10 years who was born in 2001. Tip always scrape out the thick gunk before you place in an ultrasonic cleaner.
That's sort of the point of Rolex restoration though? Collector's want original parts and pieces. If you buy an offical serviced rolex by rolex and don't like what you've gotten. You might hold onto it as a beater and buy another used or a new one. Rolex offical restorations may be captializing on devaluation like switching out bezels and crystals, or polishing off too much material. Because they know people either want a pristine well taken of watch or an original beaten up piece. Anything inbetween is damaged and modded. That's kind of the mentality for watch collector's in a nutshell?
Currently on the hunt for a 14060/14060M now! Video helps massively - thanks! Where do you take yours for servicing/strap work please? couldn't quite catch the name in the video.
Cristian W To be fair, I’ve an Invicta Grand Diver for several years, that’s been great and never fail to perform. The ceramic bezel and display back have made a stunning edition to my desk, whether placed face up or down. To date, not a single paper has escaped it’s substantial weight, when watch is placed properly, in the center of the stack. As workload and clutter increases, I’ll consider picking up a second one. 🤣
Subbed. I’m not a big “watch guy”, but after hearing The Time Teller’s “Zenith Daytona” echo of your review, I had to check out your channel. Excellent information - thanks!
I’m eyeballing an old Speedmaster right now…and all the stuff you love about this watch, is so much like the Speedy… old Box, Papers, Cards, and beautiful scratches. The AD who now owns it, has not serviced it either…because apparently, there are tons of people who love the “as is” before a purchase. Beautiful watch…enjoy it.
Thanks buddy. I’ve started to stand up which feels more natural than sitting down, which I used to do. Sitting down felt so formal. I don’t want to be formal. 👍🏻
Thank you for a well presented video on buying a used high value watch, lots of lessons on how to go about how go about it, far easier in the 'internet age', as far as buying from Ebay goes, 'buy the seller' is the best advice I've seen, so don't be blinded by the item, look at the sellers history.
I know what you mean about eBay pal. However I sold my Omega Seamaster 300m only the other week and the buyer ended up using all her bids so cut along story short and ended up paying me the full price I originally asked for but then I decided to drop the original price down by £75.00 so when she ended up paying the full price I refunded her the £75.00 back as a refund through PayPal . And yes the Omega was original with all it's original paper work And wooden box! Great Vid! Keep up the great work! Take care Adrian and stay safe!
Great educational video! Question: is a Rolex service less expensive if one opts to not have the polishing/grinding and crystal replacement? Just the inside the case cleaning and lubrication?
It appears Rolex don’t allow that. Service = whatever they feel needs doing, including replacing bits that don’t need replacing. I had a similar issue with a Tissot a few years back, so it is not just Rolex. All I wanted was to fix a sticking pusher, but they wanted to change the dial, the hands, the crystal.
Another interesting video. There are two issues here...you cannot test a watch on a timing machine before demagnetizing it first and expect to get a true reading. A magnetized watch can cause errant readings to be displayed...beat error, amplitude, and rate. Also, the watch should be fully wound or have been worn for the better part of the day before any timing machine test. Cheers mate.
Thanks for watching Charles. The watch was worn for a few days before this video was made and then fully wound to make sure. I sent the readings off to my watchmaker and he said they are what he’d expect from a watch with dried up oils. So all should be fine. Cheers, Adrian
Yeah I wasn’t sure about the box myself. It’s not uncommon for incorrect boxes to be issued by the AD. My explorer II from 2000 came in a slightly larger box.
Super interesting. I had the same fears and experience about 15 years ago when I bought my 2002 Sub Date off Ebay for the grand sum (at the time) of 2000 GBP. I did all the same checks with the seller and watched enough videos to become an expert in spotting fakes. Even so, when it came, until I had the back off and saw the red wheels it’s still a little nail biting. It’s been serviced by Rolex twice now, had a new bevel and clasp and as beautiful today as the day I got it. A watch to never part with. Mine had solid end links and no pin holes so I suspect it was just after the change, thankfully.
@@terminator9099 I've had it serviced three times by Rolex inc a new clasp. Zero issues. The paperwork is up to date and all the serial numbers have always matched - papers to end links. Not sure I get your point.
Commando Master your u can say that for almost anything... I paid £3400 for my Kermit. Now worth >10k... Probably 20k if unworn so no scam for me. No intrinsic value as the saying goes... My regret is not buying more of them.
What I find funny is that you call buying on ebay scary, and pass a list of checks that reduce the likelihood of a fake, however the only real way to buy safely is to buy on ebay (or at least via paypal) and send the watch for service. Until you do that, you don't know if what is inside is the 100% the real thing. And ebay feedback is almost worthless, as many buyers do not understand anything.
"I'll just go to the bathroom and get my wife's toothbrush". LMAO
Caught me off guard 😂
Excellent 👌
I nearly choked on my coffee for that line 😂
I prefer to buy watches off Aliexpress.
I got a nomos for €2
DHGate for real quality
@@amcluesent DH is good if you want a couple of cheap watches to mess about with. Big no no are those people who buy Noobs then try and sell them as real
at least you know that their watches are fake for sure...Lol.
@Marco von Catfish mine does!
If I'm shopping on ebay and I need to convince myself that buying something is a good idea, I usually crack open the vodka.
Amén!!!
Tell me about, liquid courage.
Brilliant !
Vodka always improves my judgement!
Smoke some crack and you'll be fine!
Crazy to see how elevated your quality has gone in just 2 years since this video, this video isn’t even bad it’s just your recent videos are such insane quality! Well done Adrian!
Thanks a lot mate. I appreciate that. 👍🏻
You must have balls of Oystersteel™
Band stretch isn’t caused by the watch being «worn too tight» (8:40), but the opposite, worn so loose that it slides all the way down to where your wrist widens, or even a bit past the wrist joint itself, and where the hand begins and you then BEND THE WRIST with even the slightest force, especially upwards, the way you do when you LEAN ON A TABLE, PALM FLAT DOWN, and other similar situations. What happens is you JACK IT WIDER each time. It’s the momentum that turns the relatively small force you are aware of into the LARGE FORCE needed to bend vulnerable steel elements in a bracelet.
That’s makes a lot of sense. Thanks. 👍🏻
Your subtle humor and reference to cleaning the watch band using your wife’s toothbrush did not go un-noticed...🤗...ha
Haha. Cheers. 👍🏻
Really enjoyed your video. Just started watching some of yours in the last 2 months and find your style refreshingly down to earth and honest. I bought my first Rolex submariner, a 5512 , in 1968 in the main PX in Da Nang . I think I paid $240 , and still have that watch today . It started me on a lifelong journey with watches. I've collected, what I like to think , is a pretty solid group of time peices over the years . For my every day rotation sub, I have a newer , super case 116610ln that gets plenty of wrist time . I've had my original sub factory serviced over the years but have always made sure to include a note requesting that Rolex do no polishing other than hand wipe down to the watch . That insured that no damage was ever done to that case . Any polishing to be done , I can do by hand . Anyway, keep up your video work . Really like what you have to say.
Hey Tim, what other watches did you run into in Vietnam? Tyfys!
@@mannyfox8089 That was actually a mis-type . The sub that I bought was a 5513. Anyway , I was issued a Tudor Sub , and a few years later a Type 1 Benrus. Every once in a while they would have some other watch they would issue to try out . In Vietnam, just the Tudor sub.
That gap in the box accommodates the wallet. I have a similar vintage GMT and it came with a cool Rolex green wallet.
I love the old school sub without the date, it’s a clean look I get so many compliments on mine. Awesome watch, even 20 Yrs from now.
"I have a supersonic cleaner here"
Me: I wear my G-shock in the shower
Chronometer certificate for a 2-liner 14060? Those particular movements weren’t certified.
All that paper work is aftermarket, imo. He does acknowledge this, though...
They can be , some of them they are coming as chronometer certified as printed on the dial already , but you can also send yours to get tested , and it can receive a certificate if it passes the test !! no big deal
"Why did you buy another sub" - Because you like subs and it's a watch for you. Thanks for the video man, enjoy that beauty
Thanks For watching Mikey 👍🏻
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Mikey.
I bought a Tudor Pelagos off eBay. Came with box, papers, and the receipt. I actually went in an AD to examine their Pelagos- noted how the bezel felt, the sound of the clicks, the details of the clasp and dial. It all checked out. Got a great deal at $2800
I'm actually a dealer and was curious to hear more people's responses to the need for box and papers. To me, for my personal collection, box and papers is important from a collectors standpoint. But for those that don't care and just want a watch in great condition, does having a letter of authenticity put you all at ease? Especially buying from complete strangers over the internet?
"Great condition, barely worn". Proceeds with macros of nicks on the edges deeper than the Marianna trench...This is not a barely worn watch mate, that was a daily beater.
fredrik grime so you think the guy who made this video got Frankenstein docs/case and a mismatch strap??
fredrik grime I was close to buying a sub in 2002 or 2001 and it had the hollow strap, I discussed it with the AD when I collected my 116610 last week and he confirmed it.
Agreed!
Jason Kenny Fredrik said hollow end links NOT hollow strap. From 2000 onwards till 2008 they had hollow bracelets but they did bring in hollow end links during that time on the sports models- subs, sea dweller, gmt etc.
Argh Jay Em I meant hollow end links.
This is the Bark & Jack content we like to see! Happy to see that you’re happy with your purchase.
Thanks mate.
I bought a GMT 2 black bezel (ceramic in 2008 ) the green GMT hand model , lovely watch it cost me £3600 from a AD . put £1600 down paid the rest off interest free over 18 months . My wife went mad with me lol I only went out to buy a new T shirt in the local shopping centre !. But it was such an awesome watch and interest free credit I could not resist . I have always collected watches but the Rolex was the single most expensive watch I bought up to that point my previous record was around the £1200 mark for a fantastic Tag . I wore my Rolex as my daily beater , did DIY in it and all sorts never babied it at all I had it serviced by Rolex Uk in 2016 cost me around £500 as I recall ( that made my eyes water ) but it came back looking spanking new yes they polished it but not to heavy IMO . I have the original receipt the service receipt and all the original box papers etc etc that it came with . I was usrprised how much the watch is worth now even on the second hand market and I take great pleasure in reminding my wife how much hell she gave me back in 2008 when I "wasted" all that money on a watch lol . I can't pretend that I bought it as an investment or that I knew the market would appreciate etc etc . At the time it was a aspirational buy and I wore it like any other much much cheaper watch in my collection. I bought the new Airking in 2016 mainly because I saw one in an AD window and despite the controversy over the face design I loved it's quirkeyness. When I bought the AirKing it took me a week or two to get over buyers remorse and realise my first impressions were correct at the time . I believe the Airking 2016 will in time become a classic and much loved model in the Rolex Range depite being called the marmite watch of Rolex .
Fast forward to 2020 and I am going to sell my Rolexes and a few lesser pieces as they no longer hold much attraction to me which is kind of strange and hard to believe as they were once prized possessions . I have always had cheaper watches G Shock , Tag , Oris and the like even Orient and a few Seikos all bought for various reasons at various times in my life so I am no watch snob only wishing to wear "perceived success brands " such as Rolex . Truth is I no longer care and am just as happy wearing a middle of the road Seiko or G shock as my Rolexes . In fact after 40 years (since childhood) of collecting watches along the way in my life from my first Timex to my last Rolex I finally feel free of the watch collecting bug that has afflicted me all my life and realise that Most any watch even of reasonable quality and affordability for most anyone can give you accurate timekeeping AND pleasure of ownership it does not have to be a grail watch or an aspiration brand .
Personally I feel better having learned that lesson in my heart and got rid of the "bug" hence the intention to sell all but one or two of my cheapest watches to wear as daily beaters and I will be glad to pass them on to someone else to enjoy as I once did . ...Thanks for the upload interesting insight into what makes YOU tick no pun intended as a watch collector . Keep up the good work .
Ebay is actually fairly safe for buyers, but ONLY if you do proper research and really properly check ratings and previous sales etc. also making contact is crucial, phoning them even. Japan is a fairly safe bet. I've heard a lot more dodgy stories about sellers getting scammed than buyers.
No. Paypal offers ways of payment that they do not offer any kind of protection for.
Didn’t know about the “s” in the crystal. Good tip thanks👍
Been watching forever, got to say that you’re getting better and better man. Keep em coming
Thanks so much Juan. 🙏🏻
Even with all of that, I'd still consider going to a local watchmaker and asking them to take off the back and verify that it had the correct Rolex movement inside. I can't imagine that would cost a great deal and then you'd know for certain. Submariner fakes have gotten so good that that can be virtually the only sure way.
Judging by the scratches and dents the previous owner lost it while cleaning the drum of his cement mixer, fortunately several years later a bulldozer driver uncovered it's remains in a slag pile at the back of the crematorium where it's owner had been incinerated and left after his death due to being hit by an Asteroid...
Da fuq
@@mrjamesgrimes that is just someone that is jealous, and still pissed about not growing over five foot four.
That’s exactly what I thought!
Hey Adrian. Great vid! I've been wanting 5 digit Sub/GMT for a while which has some vintage charm. But still retain a robust case for active leisure. I've just been thought the exact experience. Though I was mainly window shopping. I spotted a 14060 with a fair price. Upon inspection. It was in very good condition and unpolished case with full lugs and chamfered edges and with all the pointers mentioned. It was circa 1997 Tritium dial with a full set with all the box and papers and tags. Even down to the original purchase receipt! It's literally spent it's whole life in my region. I knew I'd regret it. If i didn't jump on it. To top it off I comes on 12 months warranty. I've been wearing it 2 months straight! Absolutely over the moon!
very strange how Rolex destroys watches during servicing, it is absolutely unacceptable to polish it and change crystals.
Lol your surname
I’m honestly too scared to buy secondhand Rolexes. The market for fakes is way too large and the fakes are getting too hard to filter out.
Great watch - no doubt.
The 14060 is one of my all-time favorites.
I’d love to see it on the timegrapher after servicing.
That crystal on the sub black sub has been replaced. The original one didn't have the crown engraved on the crystal from early 2000s
Can’t say it’s a good deal. It’s damaged (3.41), 2002 means it hasn’t got a Rolex movement and 17yrs without servicing?
I love how excited you are about normal wear. I completely agree, if it's been worn (as opposed to abused), it adds character and value in my eyes.
its like finding a wife in a brothel, lots of pretty faces but you don't know what kind of diseases they have
bagus prasetio hahahaha, hilarious
bagus prasetio hahahaha
It’s also easier to test for STDs than it is to identify a fake Rolex at times.
I just brought a submariner a couple of days ago after weeks of searching. I was not brave enough to buy off eBay as lack of knowledge and so many scammers. Eventually went high street and although paid more, only a few hundred pounds more than yours it was peace of mind knowing its original, working properly and not lost or stolen. I was not concerned about papers as I’ve no intention of re selling and just wearing as often as I can. Great vid, should of seen it before I started my search
“Use my wife’s toothbrush.” Lol. Nice piece!
5:27 but the two-liner was not chronometer certified?
Tim Mosso's Sunglasses it isn’t. There’s a lot wrong with the deal he got.
When you send your Rolex in to get a service (say it's just the movement you want servicing/regulating) can you request that they don't polish the watch?
You can request they only do certain parts, but there are countless examples of when they have ignored the requests.
@@BarkandJack what about removing the movement and sending only it in?
I have all the original packaging of my Seadweller and I can tell you the cardboard box that encases my green presentation case only has a couple of mm on each side. So he may have bought a replacement/reproduction box as there seems to be too much space when you removed it at 2:04
Hey Adrian Congrats once again on the new acquisition,
Also, it is hard to believe that you paid $7,300 for this 17 yr old example! ( The list on a current one is $7,500)
( I just had to turn down an offer from the AD for a current Ceramic ND Sub @ retail, because that would relinquish my spot on the que for the 126710BLNR Batgirl....)
Great video. Learnt lots of little things I didn't know + great production & audio quality. This is pretty much as good as it gets on TH-cam for any niche subject channel
The thought of the ebay seller being someone like Paul Pluta gives me the chills...
Geezer-imagine “servicing” him....
Hahahah
Oh yuck! Please don’t mention that horrible man.
He should take his horns in for polishing.
Especially if it's on a leather strap
Came to your channel for your background setup. Now I’m watching this 😅 sound quality is impeccable
Thanks so much Vanessa 🙌🏻
The fact that he loves his watches so much makes me feel good. I baby my explorer 214270 mark 2 as much as he do. And i LOVE to see more new scratches every week or 2. It makes the watch look more worn. I think everyone love his watch in its own way :)
ray h. I dont know what u mean brother
Rather not look forward to scratching my watch but I would like to see them unexpectedly once in a while
Congratulations again for finding this beautiful watch! Thank you for sharing the details of the watch and the process of vetting you used. Fantastic video as usual, great job Adrain :)
I never knew about that etched crown at the six o'clock position - and the service s - nice to know! Thanks, Adrian! Beautiful watch!
Thanks for watching John.
Sat next to a guy on a flight last week wearing a 2 line Sub that he said he bought 25 years ago. Was wearing my SubC at the time, was a nice opportunity to compare the differences (or lack thereof) between the two watches that were released so far apart.
I watch your videos mate.
But you criticised GS for using a coloured sticker on the back off the sbgn 001.
This watch has a coloured sticker and you like that one🤔
I’d take all the stickers off😃
It’s a Rolex sticker! I took mine off the day I bought it.
Haha, the green sticker is well positioned and not made of crappy thin plastic like on the GS.
That’s sticker is probably housing all kinds of bacteria from the 90’s. Enjoy that.
Seems that Rolex cant do anything wrong…
What a beauty! How will you choose which one goes on the wrist each day? As I look at my eventual explorer I worry about how my Seamaster will feel when I don't pick it up in the morning :-/
Haha. I worry about that too. When I wear the sub I feel bad for my Explorer. 🙈
Non maxi-case no date sub, doesn‘t get better! 🙌
Using their toothbrush to clean your watch?
Wifes hate this trick!
Damn your videos are always spot on. I'm a yank and i love your accent. Keep up the good work mate!
"Condition is key, box papers is all secondary". For me it's thirdly. Authenticity first, condition second 😉
Yes ya right, he is a f idiot
I like this review, and I also have the same watch - mine a D series a couple of years newer. One point though, at 5:25 you mention that you have the Chronometer certification: note that this watch wasn’t a certified chronometer at the time.
Thanks for watching mate. All the M versions of the 14060 models were COSC certified. They just didn’t change the dial until 2007.
You’ve got me thinking now.... I’d always assumed my 2005 D series 14060M was non-chronometer, I bought it new from an AD and no chronometer paperwork with it - checked again just now. But yours does! A quick search on the internet shows a few other sites saying that 14060M wasn’t certified as such until 2007.
Hey Adrian. Could you please do a comparison between your Kermit and this Submariner? Would be interesting to see how these compare. Thanks for the great video
That’s a great idea. Nice one. I’ll do it. 👍🏻
Adrian can you please shed some light on your decision to double up on the Submariner? Why 2 of the same watch when so many watches exist?
@@jaredryan1505 Hi Justin, they really aren't same watch. It's like someone owning a Range Rover Sport, and a Defender. On paper they are same.
Both subs are dive watches, both are from Rolex, but the design and they feel completely different.
The Kermit feels solid and modern and the 14060m feel light and vintage. It's the last of the vintage looking subs with the 2 lines of text.
The Kermit is green and doesn't really work with straps. The black 14060m works with all different style of straps and colours.
The biggest thing is, the Kermit is worth £13k+. I'm going to stop wearing it because of that.
Cheers, Adrian
Bark and Jack thanks for education. Keep up the good work mate!
Get it serviced ASAP. It's been dropped, hence the huge beat error. Also, the lubricants will have dried up. I agree with you regarding refinishing the case, it just destroys the character of the watch.
A couple of hundred pounds more, and you would have gotten a brand spanking new 114060 with five years warranty. But I guess you are heavily into those vintage watches.
And also you get to wait five years til you get it.
@@J-SH06 No! I got my Sub Date in around three months on the "waiting list", so that is not true at all. It can take up to a year if you are a nobody with no previous relation to the AD, but still no five years. Get real man! 🤣
@@jhmsmarttv795 yea, the black ceramic sub is much easier to get these days. But still impossible for a Hulk though.
@@dennischen8887 Well these days it's a bit harder than last year, but of course easier than the Hulk. But if you have the right connection with your AD, that would also be possible, if you have the patience.
I see a small gap between the SEL and the watch case on your kermit. Is this a result of it being an older watch or were the older SEL rolex watch just made like this?
Adrian: I think I completed my watch collection
*buys a new Rolex after a week*
must be nice to be rich
Classic if you actually watch the channel regularly you would know that’s not true
Pinkish it’s not true but it’s still funny 😂
Lol...right?
Me in a nutshell, but with cheaper watches
Why at 13.07 the number 14060M on the green sticker is gone, after you said that you’d have been careful with this while cleaning the back with alcool? It looks like it’s not about the angle, it definitely looks like it’s another watch. Please explain.
Actually it’s very safe to buy a watch on eBay when using PayPal.
You mean the company that can freeze your account for no reason and take all the money on it and u cant get it back......
Be careful if you decide to return the watch to the seller, the authenticator can claim you scratched the watch even if you never took it out its box. Ebay will side with their "experts" leaving you with a busted watch and huge bill. I am going through this nightmare right now.
The quality of Rolex packaging is an indicator of their overall product. Grossly over rated and over valued. Not junk. Not terrible. They're nice, but they are also 100% a product of marketing.
Lol you act like other brands in the price range in that era had much better. The red on my omega box and card wallet for the first gen 300m has literally melted off and dyed everything in sight 🤮
@@Dylan-xj8tb I never said that. Rolex uses cheap packaging in its current offerings. Check it out if you don't believe me.
agreed - to me the packaging is far more important than the quality of the watch and its future resale value
@@michaelbishop9157 I'm glad you see it. The quality isn't exceptional, and the pricing/future resale value is all marketing.
That is a nice watch. Love that it came with everything. I just started collecting watches last year and have 35... it is a sickness. Many if not most have been bought off eBay but mine are inexpensive watches. The nice thing is I can and do look at thousands of watches before I pull the trigger on a $25 vintage Cort with display case, outer box, and papers. Does it make sense to buy something that is not worth the value of a service... no, but it is a collection, pieces of history, they run, and I might wear it one day per month. I wish I could find someone who will just repair a watch and not do the full service.
I've been buying watches off eBay for a while now. Last watch I bought was a Rolex Date Just from Nigeria.Great condition looks like new, just disappointed in Rolex quality it's no better than an Alpha watch and I hate the limited edition mechanism in the watch where you have to wind it every 4 hours.The person I bought it from said that's the Rolex way! X
Hahaha. Yeah that sounds about right. 🤣
Nice 👊
Does small second hand make a clock look bigger?
Stainless steel is a good option for buying a rolex? I figured that white gold' yellow gold, or platinum were the most sought out.
Stainless steel are far more sought after than precious metal. The steel models up in value because the demand is so high. The gold and platinum watch depreciate massively because the demand is low.
The etching doesn't have an S anymore when serviced.
Thanks for the update. 👍🏻
Great video and congratulations once again. Watching the process of how you bring your watches to like new, without ruining its character is very helpful.
Actually times has changed and it is scarier to sell on ebay than buy things. Research and you will find out that you are very much protected by ebay and paypal when something goes wrong, too much protected that ebay and paypal always side with the buyer and sellers are the one getting scammed nowadays.
Not just that, the seller will bear the 10% final value fees, insertion fees and 3-4.5% paypal fees. Then after all that the buyer decides to scam you off.. tough luck.
I would be very interested to hear what you watch guy makes of the insides and whether it is the real deal. None of the Rolexes I owned for 20 years plus with no servicing were anywhere near +10 never mind +17. Sounds more like a Tissot.
Stickers on the back of a watch are akin to those who leave the hologram sticker on a cap or the leather label on Timberland boots 😂
Errr no, no fucker sees the sticker on the back and it prevents the inevitable scratches that happen when you park your watch on the desk. You have to be a reasonably clean person to keep the sticker and make it look fresh. The previous owner of this watch obviously has been challenged on the hygiene front.
My AD took all the stickers off mine before giving it to me
@@z00h or he could just get a sticker from the box and stick it back on.
Plus the back of the watch wouldnt touch a desk as it has a metal strap that doesnt fully open
@@vergecryptocurrency4552 it would touch the clasp, which is the problem.
Well done. Your enthusiasm and passion confirm a very genuine purchase. For those who want a perfect experience buy new, if you can.
Well done.
Thanks David.
I buy mine at the local
Market. Great quality.
I bought a 14060 (1994) off eBay. I took it to the local AD and they said everything on it looks good and original. But I want to know if the bezel was replaced. How can I tell? (this was before they starting etching the crystal with the crown logo). The AD said it they couldn't tell for certain without removing the bezel which they weren't prepared to do unless they were servicing it.
I seem to remember you saying on more than one occasion that you bought the Explorer because it flew under the radar compared to the Sub and you were less likely to get mugged? So does this purchase indicate a change of opinion regarding street crime, a feeling that Scotland is safer or have you taken up Krav Magar??
I’ve bought a number of watches on eBay and so far, no disasters but agree with everything you say, particularly buy the buyer. Enjoy the new arrival! 😁
That's correct. Scotland is going to feel relatively crime-free compared to the area in London that I live in, well for the next 5 days.
Bark and Jack Just don’t go into a Glasgow greasy spoon and ask for a “Full English” - both you and the Rolex will be toast.
"Krav Magar" lol
Can't get any more British than that
I just bought a Tudor Pelagos from eBay. It really is quite frightening and the worst bit (which is usually the most fun) is the unboxing. Your eyes everywhere just trying to confirm all the details are correct at once and then when your anxiety eases a bit, getting up close with a lens to make sure.
Great vid as always. The wife’s toothbrush 😂😂😂😂
Love your vids, just wanted to reach out to say your video kit has some problems with auto-focus. For example around the 0:20 mark the lanyard in the background keeps shifting in and out of focus. I noticed the same in some of your other vids. Time to change the focus settings? Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next video!
Rolex truly have you hook line and sinker...
What you mean by that
He already has a Green Sub and an Explorer and has now paid a considerable sum to buy another Sub. There are so many other options out there for that kind of money. Anyway it’s his cash and if it makes him happy good on Adrian. I am sure the Grand Seiko Quartz will be gone in the near future to make room for yet another Rolex 😂
Mark Williams many other options yes. But will they hold their value like this sub? Probably not
ive just brought a 2001 one sub same model, it will be in my collection then given to my daughter in 10 years who was born in 2001. Tip always scrape out the thick gunk before you place in an ultrasonic cleaner.
Thanks for making this video and sharing your total experience. I learned allot. Much Respect from The USA.
💯👍🥳🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Beretta Sr.
@Ryan Michael Thank-you Ryan. Stay Safe out there. 🥳👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸.
Beretta Sr.
That's sort of the point of Rolex restoration though? Collector's want original parts and pieces. If you buy an offical serviced rolex by rolex and don't like what you've gotten. You might hold onto it as a beater and buy another used or a new one. Rolex offical restorations may be captializing on devaluation like switching out bezels and crystals, or polishing off too much material. Because they know people either want a pristine well taken of watch or an original beaten up piece. Anything inbetween is damaged and modded. That's kind of the mentality for watch collector's in a nutshell?
I love the no date. Looks great !
Currently on the hunt for a 14060/14060M now! Video helps massively - thanks! Where do you take yours for servicing/strap work please? couldn't quite catch the name in the video.
Enjoy the hunt Jack. I took mine to David carpenter watches in Tunbridge Wells.
I wish I had seen this, before buying a pre-owned Invicta off eBay. Now I wonder if it’s real... 🤔
lol invictas are cheap mate dont worry about it, im sure its the real deal
Cristian W LOL! Yes, just a bit of humor. I started to say Casio, but they are better.
@@randyporter3491 ahh got ya! hahah
Cristian W To be fair, I’ve an Invicta Grand Diver for several years, that’s been great and never fail to perform. The ceramic bezel and display back have made a stunning edition to my desk, whether placed face up or down. To date, not a single paper has escaped it’s substantial weight, when watch is placed properly, in the center of the stack. As workload and clutter increases, I’ll consider picking up a second one. 🤣
Do you mind sharing name of that seller? Seems like an honest one
Bought a Tudor Black Bay of Ebay. It's a cliche but its important to buy the seller and know as much as you can about the watch your buying.
That’s very true.
Subbed. I’m not a big “watch guy”, but after hearing The Time Teller’s “Zenith Daytona” echo of your review, I had to check out your channel. Excellent information - thanks!
Why would you buy a Rolex Submariner? For that kind of money you can buy way better and more original watches.
Rolex fanboys🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@Jabber-ig3iw I know right
I’m eyeballing an old Speedmaster right now…and all the stuff you love about this watch, is so much like the Speedy… old Box, Papers, Cards, and beautiful scratches. The AD who now owns it, has not serviced it either…because apparently, there are tons of people who love the “as is” before a purchase. Beautiful watch…enjoy it.
I feel that in your latest videos your presentation skills and energy have gone up a level
Thanks buddy. I’ve started to stand up which feels more natural than sitting down, which I used to do. Sitting down felt so formal. I don’t want to be formal. 👍🏻
Thank you for a well presented video on buying a used high value watch, lots of lessons on how to go about how go about it, far easier in the 'internet age', as far as buying from Ebay goes, 'buy the seller' is the best advice I've seen, so don't be blinded by the item, look at the sellers history.
When I win the lottery I'm getting a gold sea dweller with that bright blue dial!
I know what you mean about eBay pal. However I sold my Omega Seamaster 300m only the other week and the buyer ended up using all her bids so cut along story short and ended up paying me the full price I originally asked for but then I decided to drop the original price down by £75.00 so when she ended up paying the full price I refunded her the £75.00 back as a refund through PayPal . And yes the Omega was original with all it's original paper work And wooden box! Great Vid! Keep up the great work! Take care Adrian and stay safe!
Superb video mate, and what a buy! Chuffed for you. ‘Use my wife’s toothbrush’ cracked me up!
Thanks guys 🙌🏻🍻
Great educational video! Question: is a Rolex service less expensive if one opts to not have the polishing/grinding and crystal replacement? Just the inside the case cleaning and lubrication?
It appears Rolex don’t allow that. Service = whatever they feel needs doing, including replacing bits that don’t need replacing. I had a similar issue with a Tissot a few years back, so it is not just Rolex. All I wanted was to fix a sticking pusher, but they wanted to change the dial, the hands, the crystal.
Another interesting video. There are two issues here...you cannot test a watch on a timing machine before demagnetizing it first and expect to get a true reading. A magnetized watch can cause errant readings to be displayed...beat error, amplitude, and rate. Also, the watch should be fully wound or have been worn for the better part of the day before any timing machine test. Cheers mate.
Thanks for watching Charles. The watch was worn for a few days before this video was made and then fully wound to make sure. I sent the readings off to my watchmaker and he said they are what he’d expect from a watch with dried up oils. So all should be fine. Cheers, Adrian
Thanks for this fabulous video. I had no idea about the grinding down that Rolex do during a service. Thank you again
Also the box is not original; not an issue, but I distinctly remember what mine looked like, before I gave to the kids to play with ☹️
Yeah I wasn’t sure about the box myself. It’s not uncommon for incorrect boxes to be issued by the AD. My explorer II from 2000 came in a slightly larger box.
Super interesting. I had the same fears and experience about 15 years ago when I bought my 2002 Sub Date off Ebay for the grand sum (at the time) of 2000 GBP. I did all the same checks with the seller and watched enough videos to become an expert in spotting fakes. Even so, when it came, until I had the back off and saw the red wheels it’s still a little nail biting. It’s been serviced by Rolex twice now, had a new bevel and clasp and as beautiful today as the day I got it. A watch to never part with. Mine had solid end links and no pin holes so I suspect it was just after the change, thankfully.
if Rolex serviced it, it has lost all its worth. The serial numbers of parts don't match anymore, it runs perfectly but the resell value disappeared.
@@terminator9099 I've had it serviced three times by Rolex inc a new clasp. Zero issues. The paperwork is up to date and all the serial numbers have always matched - papers to end links. Not sure I get your point.
My favorite submariner ! Congratulations 👍
As a newbie to the hobby I find it impossible to tell if things are customized. I’m very afraid for my first purchase that I hope to make this year.
just research for a few months and you will be ok.
The real scam is paying thousands of pounds for a Rolex.
Commando Master your u can say that for almost anything... I paid £3400 for my Kermit. Now worth >10k... Probably 20k if unworn so no scam for me. No intrinsic value as the saying goes... My regret is not buying more of them.
What I find funny is that you call buying on ebay scary, and pass a list of checks that reduce the likelihood of a fake, however the only real way to buy safely is to buy on ebay (or at least via paypal) and send the watch for service. Until you do that, you don't know if what is inside is the 100% the real thing. And ebay feedback is almost worthless, as many buyers do not understand anything.