The perfect Rolex Submariner. NO WAITLIST!
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- Why wait on an endless waitlist for a Submariner when you can already get the perfect one today? OLD vs NEW side-by-side comparison.
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I have a 1973 Rolex Sub 5512 no date bought new by my Grandfather in Red Bank, New Jersey in 1974. He wore it everyday for 31 years until he passed in 2005. The watch has been around the world, and on 3 cross ocean sailing voyages. I wouldn't sell it for any amount of money. Still keeps perfect time!
Well that's the real deal there. Yeah -- Priceless! Good for you (and your smart Grandfather)
I've had both and I completely agree with you about the personalities of each. The perfect Sub for me would be the pre-ceramic with the later bracelet.
totally agree
I'm old school. I have a 1991, 16610. To me the watch looks and wears perfectly. I do like the new glide lock bracelet though.
I prefer the older versions case because the collar tapered in towards the band. I also prefer the smaller bezel, I think is better looking.
Have had my '16610' for 14 years now and still love and cherish it. Like most folks I've had a few prized possessions but none of them close to my Subie..! I also love how it's accrued in value. Bought mine new in 2005 for a little under $5K USD.
5 digit old money, six digit new money.
Ok, I got 3 four digit and 1 five digit sub, what does it make me?
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@@baldilocks1914 Hmmm, that sounds good ;-) I got a few Seiko as well just to balance it out.
Had multiples of both versions that I flipped. Both sell very well with a definite preference for the newer Ceramic. People want new especially younger watch enthusiast. The more I handled and examined them closely, the more I started leaning towards the previous models. I really had to think about it because the new Ceramics are a better watch in every way except one. Aesthetics. Selecting a watch is as much a emotional matter of the heart as it is a logically thought out decision. In reality you can’t go wrong with either but in the end the elegant profile and old school vibe of the Aluminum 5 digits won me over. The newer Subs are glitzy, bloated, overstated caricatures of themselves. Then Rolex doubled down by increasing the diameter to 41mm. I am so done with the bulky oversized watch thing
Thanks for making Rolex so expensive on the grey market and being scarce in ADs due to flipping.
So you have never bought a watch and then sold it in the secondary market? Anyone that’s ever bought a Rolex SS Sport and then sold it is technically a flipper. 99% of AD purchases end up being sold at secondary prices. Actual Grey dealers have been around ever since I’ve been in the hobby so over 40 years. It’s only been an issue since the millennials and Gen Z got involved in the hobby. They’ve driven up the market with their big checkbooks and wild speculation buying. 40 years ago Rolex SS Sports were rare and there were premiums so this is nothing new. What’s new is the type of buyers that will pay exorbitant amounts and the AD’s with the games they are playing now. This has led to the super high premiums. I haven’t bought a new Rolex from an AD since 2010. I primarily deal secondary dealer to dealer plus a large network of flippers and super collectors. Business has been great. Sorry you’re bitter about being on AD wait lists and then not getting the call. But you’re angry with the wrong people. The market is whatever someone is willing to pay. You wouldn’t sell your market $19k GMT Pepsi Ceramic to someone that offered you the $11k list price just because that’s what they think it’s worth. Nobody does that and if you or anyone else is willing to sell me any Rolex SS GMT or Daytona at list I’ll buy every one. This is the reason I mostly stopped dealing with private buyers, unrealistic market understanding with big eyes but no money
Exactly…👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@SPQR-Z correct I have never bought a watch and sold it in the secondary market. These aren't investments for me. I want to wear and rotate my watches but can't because of this flipping culture
The pre ceramic every time for me. I have two subs but am now going down the Omega Sea Master road., the quality for the price is outstanding, and the movement is only less than on the Sub by 1 sec. The design of these watches are beautiful (apart from the helium valve which should be automatic and incorporated into the side). The Rolex Brand has been getting a lot of bad press because of their attitude towards customers over the Submariner, sitting on it's brand not caring or listening to loyal customers. The Sub gap could easily be filled if they ignore customers from this sector, by same quality and more reasonably priced companies like the Omega Sea Master. Many luxury car companies have sat on their names in the past but failed to see what was coming up behind them. If customers turn on Rolex they can make a difference, nothing in this life is guaranteed.
The new 2018 Seamaster has a better movement, a 70-hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring making it anti-magnetic. The METAS rating on the SMP is -0 to +6 better to have a watch that never runs slow since then the only thing you have to do hack the watch till the correct time catches up and push the crown back in.
Mine is running a consistent +2 a day.
One correction: you do NOT have to go to the store to adjust the bracelet on the older model. It does have the little holes along the sides of the clasp and you can adjust it yourself. Not as neat and easy as with the new clasp, but you definitely do not have to go to the store. So in the new model, the wet suit extension is in the new clasp adjustment versatility. In the old model, the wet suit extension and the adjustment are two different things.
All you need is a toothpick to adjust the old ones.
Came here to say that. Cool video but that part was totally wrong and a grand exaggeration.
Yeah if you actually listen to him he’s not talking about the fine adjustment he talks about having links removed…………🙄
My Rolex Submariner Replica is 2 years old.
I wear it every day since I bought it
It never loses even second a day, Miyota movement but looks 1:1 i compare it to real one.
Never serviced.
Ya but you're a wanna be.
Pre ceramic for me. Originally, I wanted a Sea dweller Because I like the heft of the watch.. but then I came across a ceramic sub and fell in love, and no longer did I need to go to the sea dweller to get that hefty look.
If you are purchasing and wearing Rolex watches, its probably safe to say that you already have something to prove. Not a bad thing but just saying.
That cyclops ruins the dial, and it’s glued on, not integrated
Tudor for the win. Let the flash boys splash the cash!
I have the Invicta version of this watch. I think it is of better quality than the Rolex, and there was a very short wait list for it. ( around 5 min. )
Invicta uses 909 grade stainless, which is actually 5 levels higher / better than Rolex. I am on the list with my Invicta AD, for the new Invicta
Nautilus styled piece, that will set the high bar for this design by Gerald Genta, when he was head of design for Invicta.
I have the Invicta 9937OB with the Swiss Sellita-200 movement, and for the money, I'm quite satisfied.
I like the pre-ceramic more. I even prefer the no-date. Feel more pure and classic.
Looks like your just trying to save a buck which basically is cheap. You get one with the date complication then your actually forced to recognize your watch you get to take it off on the none 31 days and admire it some more. the no date is lazy and cheap. IMO
Christian Hardwick It seems like submariner date is mostly preferred by those who don’t know much about submariner’s heritage or watches. Simply jumping on the wagon because everyone has one with date or it’s easily recognizable as Rolex from far. Just look like someone with no substance or class, purely wealth flaunting imo
@@christianhardwick6530the no date loos more clean. Keep yapping you prolly can't even afford one
You did not mention the difference in the crown guards on the case. Again, much smoother, classier, lighter in the old model. The new case is just too bulky, beefy, and square.
Classic case but do love the new bracelet/clasp....
I really appreciate this assessment. I was struggling with old vs. new and I agree that the elegance of the older design can’t be beat! Just hope the prices don’t jump any higher before I finish saving for one!
Old one is better. Rolex are getting worse.
Man, I really appreciate the 16610 more these days. The last of an icon. Great video, buddy, we dig your jam.
Had the V series 16610 and loved it. Lume was not as sharp so traded in to the AD for a new super case 116610LN in 2019. Never got used to it and sold after one year. Back to a Z series 16610 and happy. The newer one was flashy.
Great review my friend! Picking up a 2004 Sea Dweller on Friday 💪🏿
I have a 16610 from 1990, It is the most comfortable watch I have ever worn. It's a keeper!
Cool explanation of the characteristics of each watch. How about a comparison video for the old EXP I (114270) and new EXP I (214270, MKII)?
I like the lugs of the old ones WAY BETTER than the new ones.
I agree, the pre-ceramic wins for me. I am wearing my Dad’s Circa 1984 two-tone Oyster Perpetual “Date”, at 34mm with sort of off-silver sunburst dial and it is beautiful. Incidentally, the clasp looks exactly like your pre-ceramic Sub, just smaller. Great video, thank you!
Another great video👌🏼.The older case is more comfortable on the wrist compared to the super case. Oh the new two tone Sea Dweller 43 is a Super Wasp on the wrist! 😁 Will make video soon!!
Different strokes for different folks. I have the 1993 holes case tritium dial. Creamy aged markers and immaculate. I prefer the early 16610 and find the holes case wonderful and a real last gasp of the classic tool watch sub before Rolex decided that they didi not want you to wear this watch on anything else other than the bracelet and made their watches luxury ready! I wear mine on a beautiful dark brown strap and it is anonymous to all. I love this aspect. Lastly. I have owned the ceramic and the pre ceramic and I prefer the delicate comfort of the much earlier abused and maligned bracelet to the new. I think the new bracelets are too bulky and blingy...for me! Nice comparison Oisin. Thanks for the video.
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The old one is so much better looking, it's not even funny. It's like a slim fitness chick compared to the new one, which looks like just a fat and clumsy old lady with a wide waist. The new one is definitely better watch but I'd go for the pretty one for sure. With PASSION. Haha. PS: Great review, thanks man!
Old case shape with a ceramic insert would be the best of both worlds
SunsetSheen yup! I second that 👍
And the new bracelet !
Agree
I love the super case chunky, and the ceramic, but the vintage holds an appreciation of it's own!!!
Thanks for this. I actually prefer the older one as it now looks more modern. Big chunky watches seemed to come in with the millennium and is why Panerai did well. I think those days are now done and slimmer more elegant watches are making a come back.
Good video! I own the 116610LN but previous model has that more classic design and appearance, but i wouldnt change mine. Great channel sure its grows very soon! regards from Spain
I’ve watched hundreds of watch reviews (it’s a sickness). I liked this one. I own the modern date sub. After 5 years the supercase is driving me nuts.
I’ve been watching TH-cam videos on a plethora of topics over the last 14 years. Your intro is, hands down, the most artistic and powerful I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. Bravo, man.
Do you know who the composer is and what the name of the piece is ? Thank you. (I guess Bach).
I have the 16610ln & the 116610ln 😂 might put a cool sapphire aftermarket bezel on the ceramic sub to make em different
You make some good points though I suspect when you get used to the new Sub you might change your view somewhat. The Explorer 214270 is said to be the Rolex for the man with nothing to prove. I've had mine ten days now and am still getting used to it. I take your point about the older bracelet so maybe if one bought the pre-ceramic model at the right price and then put a new bracelet on it the whole would be perfect?
I bought a stainless submariner without the date in 1966 when I was in the Navy at the ship store aboard the aircraft carrier I was on still wear it and love it. In the 80s I bought a stainless steel and gold submariner with the blue face. It’s quite a bit heavier than the other. I wear the stainless all the time and the two-tone for special occasions. Would like to have a Daytona, but I think they have gotten out of my price range.
Fantastic nickname for the Steel & Gold Submariner that you came up with,..."THE WASP"
Thanks but no thanks unless you have a very small wrist and don’t mind rattling bracelets.
One more reason to wait for a new one is if you buy a used one, it is probably fake or with frankenstein parts. You can't trust anybody out there because even trusted sellers get stuck with fake crap all the time. Not worth risking your money for a used Rolex.
mac daddy good point.
The Rolex Sub is a beautiful watch and meanwhile a cult object, in all versions..
I strongly prefer the pre-ceramic as well but wasn’t willing to pay new Sub prices for an old Sub with the old bracelet so I went with a BB58. Scratches the itch for an old Sub but without the trade offs.
After several months of comparison I chose the 14060M. No cyclops, no date, no plastic looking shiny bezel, minimal writing on the dial and no pretentious ROLEX unnecessarily repeating around the rehaut (yeah I already know the watch is a Rolex, says so on the dial).
How can you buy a brand new ceramic model from a reseller if they are not available from an AD? I call BS, because the reseller has got the watch, it's brand new and unless it's a fake it must have come from an AD, this tells me they are available from the ADs
Imagine if Levi's put on the market a pair of jeans that is impossible to distress but also would make your ass FAT ....With the right ad campaign and TH-cam influencers I'm sure there could be waitlists for that !
There's no waitlist in North American ADs... You busy whatever Rolex Is in the ADs shop
I've owned my 16610 since 2005. Bought it new and never comes off my wrist. Love it!
How many times have you had it serviced? Are you the kind of person to wear it to the beach or leave it back home?
@@snapascrew I've had it serviced twice in the 15 years I've owned it. Not cheap, about the same as servicing your car. But the 'engine' in my watch runs all the time whereas the car sits on my drive for 90% of the time...
And it goes everywhere.
Lol time fly now Pre-Ceramic are going for $13k minimum, I’m glad I got all the Rolex I need and I’m done with the brand. I feel bad for those that are now trying to get their first Rolex, I don’t even think it’s worth it anymore.
I own a Rolex GMT II 16710, coke dial circa 2005, great watch perfect size but i am not liking the ceramic just yet.
Thanks for the comparison! Good vid. My preference is definitely the older, smaller case version...except for the clasp. I have the Explorer (Mk II version} and that clasp is perfect. But my REAL preference is the Yachtmaster over the Sub. Now that's a watch! Someday in my future.....
I also love the Yacht!!
Jeff Snyder Yachtmaster is much more comfortable than the super case Subs.👍🏼
The plain case back for inscriptions makes sense when you buy the watch for aethetics and emotion.
But now that they've turned into investments and are outrageously pricey and difficult to buy, who dares inscribe something personal that'll significantly lower the value of the watch if they ever want to sell it?
Gold one Looks like drug dealer watch!🤮
If you have girls wrists, like under 7" maybe 7 1/2" then possibly the pre ceramic is for you.
I have a pre-ceramic. And I agree. It is more sophisticated, I think Rolex of late are losing their class. A lot of the watches they are doing today have a distinct nouveau riche smell to them.
Oh yes , 16610 all the way ! Discreet Flow with Class. If you want to shout might as well wear an SD43 or a Deep Sea. 🎉
Ive owned 2 ceramic versions and loved them but love the pre ceramic more. I picked up an excellent condition 2002 model, solid end links and pierced lugs.....perfection for me.
Very well commented, the old one ist still the edge of classic....but the rattlesnake bracelet...
I want to sell my rolex deepsea its worth in Australia $17500 now I want a submarimer that i van wear everyday mine is for diving and to show bling and wealth why it just is
The 16610 dial lume is terrible
Go for the vintage 1680....great look
Great intro and video. Thanks! A nice 16610 is fetching north of $12k currently. 😳 For my money the pre-ceramic is much more refined and elegant.
The old cases are way better lookin with thinner lugs. Those thick cases are so ugly and id js put a ceramic bezel insert on the old one. Save some money. And itll look better
I’ve owned several versions of the Sub and you’re absolutely right; I think the last classic Sub is the 16610T. I have one from 2008; an M serial and with the no-holes case and rehaut. Absolutely a keeper! Ultimate evolution of the model from the early 1680. After that, they seem to have gone on steroids!!! I have always wished that Rolex would offer more factory strap/bracelet choices as well but for some reason never did. Back in the day, the Rolex Service center used to supply you with an “Inox” skin diver rubber strap on request but not any more!
V serial is not the last of the 16610, you have after that the G serial and the very last is the Random serial.
Ahh yes. Thanks for that! Well V is among the last. Good enough? Thanks for your input DG. Any future corrections will be appreciated!
The Timeless Watch Channel , no problem, I only knew that recently and just thought to share it with you. Hope this wasn’t taken negatively.
I like the older model far more. Classic and not too much flash.
Great video and great channel as always. Definitely the one on the left (older one) for me!! I feel like that ruined the proportions on the newer sub.
if you have to explain what ceramic is to anyone that clicked on this then they probably shouldnt be watching these vids
Vostok Amphibia from Russia in 21 days.
Still relevant even a couple years later. I just made the decision to get the 16610 version over the newer on the resale market. They have all jumped from $10-$12 now, proving what a solid and desirable model it really is. Thanks for the video.
I have a question. Where is the best country you could buy a very good Rolex with more obtions and years to buy?
I have a 1680 that I got in 1976 I love it only been serviced two times no scratches replaces the crystal I have it on every day
Get review! What brand sunglasses are you wearing? I like them.
Thank you for the good review video... and thank you for being the first reviewer I have noted, that precisely synchronizes the watches for his reviews.
Thank you, Chris.
I’m a fan of the Submariner, any year really. Just put my name on waitlist for a 114060...
I still think the 5 digit Subs are the best; not sure I love the maxi-case.
14060M G serial: Best Sub of History
Nice vids! lose the glasses
That first one, gold and steel, would be nice on steel only bracelet maybe?
I have a 2010 model too. And like you said, its a bad boy and it knows it. Nothing to try and prove.
Oisin is THE GOAT (bless me with Rolex zaddy)
I have seen many different watch reviews, but this guy offers something special to the game. Keep up the good work. You were the reason that i bought a Rolex Submariner date M series. Also i'm quite sure that you are the reason that i have to take my Omega Seamster 300m to Trieste ;)
This channel is growing nicely. Congrats. Doing well. Content is good.
Bang ceramic and it cracks. Not so with Al2O3
The one thing you have to keeping mind about the oyster supers case is the time it came out, a few years back, the hottest brand our there was Panerai. When Rolex came out with new updates to the brand(ceramic, new bracelet and lume), you have take into consideration that they competing in market that was looking for a larger watch trend and Rolex answer the demand with case that filled out the wrist with more presence. Now that the fade, like bell bottom jeans and elevator shoes, has gone away I think you will see Rolex return back to it's original dimensions but with the improvement in technology.
Navegando Lejano Oriente it would be amazing if they did!
I like everything about the newer version, except the crown guards and too bulky and prefer the pre-ceramic crown guards.
The best comparison of the case sizes was when you were showing the case backs. When the light reflected off of each case back the difference of case width etc was very noticeable. Good work!
Cheers Martin.
Great video brother. I have a 2005 Submariner and I love it. Understated, elegant, and masculine. Mine is mint - and will stay that way. Thx for the awesome content.
Great review putting these two great watches together. I like them both as much. Thanks for your input, it’s greatly appreciated and you know what you are talking about. Your music is also great. Thanks!
14060 all the way! Put it on a Nato.
They did make a random serial for 16610 after G serial
Thx a lot for this video. Enjoyed it. Salute
The per ceramic is a petite and curvy lady if the super case is a bad a bad boy.
Man, you got the time to match on both of these pretty much to the second! Very Impressive. Love the pre ceramic. Love the channel. Cheers!
How do you not have more subs? One of the better comparison vids I’ve seen. I’ve owned both, and like u prefer the 16610. Sold my 116610 for a 14060. Just nicer lines all around
Thanks Audiman! Yes, the 14060 is gorgeous. Nice choice. As for my subs.... the channel is 2 weeks old as of today. Baby steps. Thanks for watching!
Old one get my vote. 👍
No 16610 is overhyped the bracelet feels so lite and cheap even some other brands 1/3 of this price feel even more solid!
16610 is wildly overrated. Mine needed a new movement after 53 weeks. The bracelet is cheap and nasty and can catch the skin on the wrist. There's one link near the clasp that's not even shaped properly. The accuracy was pathetic. After two attempts at regulating, mine gained 12 seconds a day and speeded up month by month until I dumped it. I was with a friend in a boat on Windermere discussing how poor the accuracy was. He chucked his 16610 overboard. I don't blame him!
They are already going down in value. Ince the dive watch craze is gone the value will tank. They will only be worth half the price in 5 years. Prices already going down. Authorized dealer have loads of used ones sitting around and can't sell them. Just sitting there collecting dust. Don't over pay. If you can get one for MSRP then fine, good luck but your crazy to overpay for used when they are just going down now.
Great video on the best sports watch around. I prefer the 116610.
Ask yourself this.. What watch would you rather take diving? Of course the 114060. What watch would you wear to the bar after diving. A pre ceramic right. My choice would be a 5513. I have both and they are awesome AF.
And no one except the rare watch geek would know you wearing a Rolex much less it it's ceramic or not.
@@robertsullivan4773 100% true.
@@derekholyfield6089 not trying to be an ass. But my yellow 97 NSX gets me far more comments and compliments than my Rolex GMT Master II Black ever does.