LGBTQ People Get Preferential Treatment Over Christians | The Atheist Experience 27.03
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- The Atheist Experience 27.03 for January 22, 2023 with Jmike, Jim Barrows & Student Doctor Ben
Jon from Canada is calling to talk about Christian oppression, citing Kirk Cameron not being able to get his book in a library or something. Jon adds that LGBTQ+ individuals are getting unfair preferential treatment over Christians.
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"Why wont you let me oppress people? You're oppressing me."
Great logic
@Guitarzen "I want to oppress trans/woman/poc but wokes wont let me. Woke people are oppressing me."
Right?
@Guitarzen nobody tells you you don't exist. Nobody tells you who to marry. Nobody screams insults at you when you kiss your wife on the street. Nobody calls you a pedo and groomer because you are married to a woman and not to a man. Nobody fires you from a job because you are a Christian or because you are heterosexual. Nobody debates if you are valid or if you deserve basic rights.
You are not oppressed.
What you want is the ability to hurt and humiliate others and when others tell you they won't let you do it you pout and call it oppression.
Want to be hateful at least be that, openly.
@Guitarzen what are you talking about?
@guitarszenExample?
@guitarszenkeep lying to yourself muppey
The caller literally said that other people having rights oppresses him. Insane.
Putin and Hitler's reasoning.
Which is what (in his mind) is happening to him, right? So what’s the problem?
There's a dumb question in here.
@@ehmjay3457 Not everything in the mind maps to reality and reality wins. It should, anyway.
Jim: religion has killed and oppressed millions over centuries.
Jon: Yeah but the one dude couldn't read a book in library...
Totally the same...obviously 😕
A public library isn't promoting my religion or giving it special treatment? I'm being oppressed!
Kirk Cameron's books are actually in the libraries in question. The issue was that Cameron wanted a book reading and specifically targeted only libraries that had recently allowed drag story hours. Cameron's public views aren't exactly inclusive to the LGBTQ+ community.
He essentially used this faux persecution as as publicity to boost book sales. 👍😳👍
@@TheRealLucifer_Morningstar 👀
His point was that public libraries are promoting other groups, special treatment
@@seasonedbeefs Like, it has with religion...
@@seasonedbeefs his point is incredibly disingenuous
Equality feels like persecution to those who are privileged.
Indeed : hence the screaming about "wokeness".
Brilliant ❤
I might have to use that in my conversation , hope you don't mind.
It’s not equality it’s favoritism based on woke ideology and brain death.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant I wouldn't call giving members of the LGBTQ community "equal" rights favoritism. I would call giving members of that community, which I am an ally of, not a member of, a pretty clear example of equality and your apparent characterization of favoritism as patently absurd.
There's nothing like a Christian playing the victim card whilst victimising others for not believing in their unfalsifiable claim.
That's SOP for Christians.
we are all victims of someone else's oppression. Oppression is lack of loving others.
Muslims has same tactic.
I’m Canadian…..and I’m embarrassed by this guy
"Christian persecution" = not being allowed to force people to practice Christianity
I love the assertion here about Christian oppression, because what actually happened with Kirk Cameron was that he expected the library to put together a promotional event for his book release and then dove like a soccer player when they told him no. So oppressed, because he couldn't use public employees as his marketing team. Such a victim.
It gets even better, the book in question was attacking trans people.
So he basically asked the library “may I please bully trans people”, they said “you can hire a private room but we don’t want to be associated with it” and he lost his shit. 😂
Oh, the oppression!
The whole thing was a stunt. The publisher (Brave Books of Texas) deliberately selected public libraries that they considered to be "woke libraries" - i.e. ones that "have recently hosted and openly promoted events that solely favor diversity, equity and inclusion." (their words)
Copy-paste from Fox News' fair and balanced (cough) write-up of the story:
_Trent Talbot, CEO of the Texas-based Brave Books, told Fox News Digital over the weekend, "I love situations in which we have two ways to win and zero ways to lose. We forced these bullies to either take off their masks and show their true colors of unabashed anti-Christian and anti-American bias (as well as catch themselves in a spicy lawsuit) OR the bullies were going to realize that Kirk and Brave were here to fight and they would back down."_
@@blatherskite3009 The thing that baffles me is that most of the right wing think they're the good guys. That inclusion and equity are evil things. They're lucky hell doesn't exist, because Jesus would personally escort every one of them there.
@@blatherskite3009 Such fair and unbiased reporting. Much Fox news.
Classic “you won’t let me persecute people” card
Classic situation of those used to preferential treatment finding being forced to treat everyone as equal to be discrimination against themselves.
In the Kirk Cameron case it’s literally “If I’m not allowed to attack and bully trans people, you’re attacking my Christian beliefs.”
@@kaiza6467 Kirk Cameron has always been a man-child. He has never had to grow up and leave that foolish entitlement behind. But Christianity is a problem far beyond Kirk Cameron. Even the best Christians are just camouflage for the majority who are bigoted fascists.
To the privileged equality feels like oppression, I forget where I heard that but it does seem to be very true, especially in this case doesn't it?
@@emoryogglethorp8180 oh absolutely.
And I generally say "it feels like you're oppressed when the stick you beat people is taken away so you can't beat people anymore"
@@emoryogglethorp8180 To my knowledge the originator of the quote is unknown but it is unequivocally true of this period in time.
Kirk wasn't allowed to read his book because he did follow proper procedures to do such a thing...he basically showed up and demanded he be allowed to read...that's now how anything in life works...you have to schedule things like this, you just don't get to demand time it must be appropriated to you...
And libraries are under no obligation to give a reading space to every tom, dick or harry that asks for one. There just isn't enough time to cater to everyone.
He had permission. He showed up with 3x the number of people that could be permitted in the building due to safe occupancy rules.
Jim....on not trying to fully remove Christianity, just wanting as much truth as possible...caller..."what's the difference?"! 🙃 Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
Simultaneously shot himself and his foot at the same time. Astounding!
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
😂 Did he really admit that his beliefs are based on falsehoods and lies? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Little girls and boys are being subjected to trans rights" - what does that even *_mean?_* Their complaints aren't even coherent anymore.
Anymore?
@@YY4Me133 You stole my line. I was going to say that.
@@YY4Me133 At least when they were gay-bashing it was cogent... Reprehensible, but comprehensible. This is obviously just meant to fearmonger, even though it means nothing. The dude should just drop the pretense of good-faith debate and put a flashlight under his chin - "OOoooOOoOO, _trans people!_ Sooo spooky!"
@@j3pelfrey
Great minds think alike, eh? What's our excuse? 😜
@@khill8645
I've never heard a cogent argument for any of their bigotry.
Seriously, stop taking calls from Jon. He calls for a single reason every single time. To spread his hate and bigotry to LGBTQ+, nothing more. He must have no life because he just makes the rounds on all the atheist call in shows. He is NOT being genuine with his questions, you are just platforming a bigot.
To be fair all they really did here was make him look like the absolute hateful fool that he is.
Was that jon Lee the dd minion? From clubhouse and discord?
Damn, that list of reasons Jim gave for why religion is bad was so eloquent and thorough. Just excellently said.
And it was by no means a complete list...
What laws exactly were passed that meant the death penalty if you were not Christian?
@@martinsoukup562 why are you feigning stupidity
@@Gambit0590 im not. I'm literally aksing in good faith and you had the need to attack me.
@@martinsoukup562 after society in western world became secularized, not officially - though christians have abused and killed non-christians and people like lgbtqa+ people and got away with it or had as little consequences as possible. But when christianity had power, people were killed for herecy, like not being christian...
Basically christianity was like islam nowadays in theocratic muslim countries.
When I was fighting for my rights in Canada in the 1980s I could lose my job for being gay. I could lose and did lose my friends and family connections because I am gay. I could lose my apartment if someone saw me bring a man home to my private apartment and reported me to the landlord. I could not rent a hotel or motel room with another man. I could be arrested and imprisoned for having sex in my car parked in what if I were heterosexual would be called a lovers lane. Men caught having gay sex in places which didn’t jeopardize their rental accommodation would have their names photographs and addresses published in the newspaper and identified as sex criminals.
Identifying publicly as gay would immediately bring the threat of violence for being a paedophile and or having AIDS. Gays in the one place in my province where gays could live with some security, the “gay ghetto” in downtown Toronto, were subjected to violence every day of our lives by gangs of men looking to attack gay men. This required the creation of an international organization called the Guardian Angels which in every city in the west with gay neighborhoods patrolled with whistles to warn people of possible gang vigilante violence against us. If you were attacked by a gang the police would do nothing to help you, and if you were hiv + and the violent attack against you drew blood your attackers could charge you with attempted murder for you bleeding on them as they beat you.
I also lived in Britain in the 1980s and 90s and the situation there was worse than in Canada, because all homosexual activity was a crime and you could be sent to prison for 5 years for simply having sex in private.
Alam Turing is a good example of how a gay person was treated in the UK.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'm in Canada, and have lived in the UK as well, and had the pleasure of being a witness in a gay marriage there for some Australians who couldn't marry in Australia (at the time).
After leaving my culty Christian church, I've accepted my pansexual self, but I know my parents would disown me if they knew. They still can't accept me leaving the church, so I think they might be surprised with my poly/pan tattoo I want.
@@jquest99 That was his reward for winning their war. It's ridiculous and if they haven't officially apologized yet, they should.
@@TBomb39 l believe they have .
Too little too late though .
And according to every conservative under the age of 30, tHaT wAs sO lOnG aGo, iT dOeSn'T mAtTeR aT aLl aNymOrE.
Who's arrested for wearing a shirt saying "Jesus loves you" in the US or Canada?
No ONE!!!
@@tonyfendex2558 Of course, Jon's also the guy who said that children being accepted for who they are if they are trans is on par with a genocide.
People like Jon need to be on a watch list, they will kill people if given an inch
Hasn't happened, yet, but there are places within those countries that hostility, ridicule, and violence, may very likely occur on someone wearing a Jesus t-shirt. Austin Texas is a cesspool of degeneracy and godless decadence. A lot of places in California to. Portland Oregon is bttfking shit hole now. Wasn't like that 25 years ago. There's a lot more cities and counties than that to. So your decadence and depravity is spreading like cancer. Demoralization has been well underway since the 60's. The last 20 years have brought more drugs and mental illness than either country has ever witnessed.
Where I live, if you have an atheist-themed bumper sticker on your car you run the risk of getting your car keyed.
Caller: "Is it your goal to get rid of Christianity?"
Jim: "No, it's to have people believe as many true and as few false things as possible"
Caller: "What's the difference?"
This tiny interaction in the call told me a lot about what the caller actually believes.
You can tell by the caller's sputtering that he has zilch evidence to substantiate his whine about how "poor Christians" are SO terribly discriminated against.
If the only example of "being persecuted" you can come up with is that other people are allowed to exist, you're not being persecuted.
Also, the library drag queen story hour he’s getting mad over and calling predatory child grooming is over FULLY DRESSED people. Nothing sexual.
He’s having a meltdown over the concept of trans people EXISTING in public.
What gets me about that is, over here in the UK, drag is very much a part of Pantomimes. I dont know if they are a thing in other places, but they are rather popular at, ironically, Christmas over here and, quite often, include a Dame, who is a man in drag. They are also very much aimed at children and never once stray into sexual themes, even if they might occasionally include spicy jokes for the adults who got dragged along. I have never associated drag with anything sexual, if anything, its always been something I thought of as similar to stand up comedy.
Not to mention, the drag Story Hours are put on in libraries for the specific purpose to introduce children (who's parents want this) to be okay with unusual appearances, to be okay with making their own looks and expressions. The readers are unusual, and fascinate the children because of it, getting their attention for the story and the socialization.
@@marcusreading3783 here in Australia it’s totally normal. We had a famous drag queen celebrity called Dame Edna since the 1950’s and drag story hour has been a thing in libraries for decades.
My sister and I went to a few as kids, our minds weren’t corrupted and we weren’t “sexuallized” at all 😂
If anything we suffered more trauma in bible classes in elementary school where pastors kept going on about how if we don’t believe in Jesus then we and our family will be set on fire and scream in agony forever, and they encouraged the other kids to ignore us until we told them we accepted Jesus.
And yet which one was the caller suggesting was child abuse again? Hmmm…🤔
That's because some people see being gay or trans as inherently sexual, for some reason
@@isdrakon9802 It's because those people always get a weird feeling "down there" whenever they are near gay or trans people and they think that everyone else has that feeling and they feel threatened. 😆
As an outsider looking in at this America......it's amazing that this whole bejeeebus thingy is actually considered a talking point.!
Be thankful, I’m in the Bible Belt, and there’s 10 churches within a 0.25 mile radius from my apartment.
"Let's put gay people aside..."
You cant make this shit up
Using Kirk Cameron means you've just lost the argument.
I think it’s hilarious that Leo DiCaprio was on Growing Pains with KC back in the day, and now KC is whining about books and libraries while LD is making $$$.
I'm so oppressed! I can't even force my baseless hatred on others! People are even saying other people are allowed to exist!
This title will get those crusty crank christian going. 🙏🥰
So to comment on the case Kirk's book reading was rejected on the basis of his character and his professed views they told him he wasn't welcome, not that his book wasn't welcome
He cherry picked libraries with communities he knew would reject him. He just wanted the rejection so he could use the outrage to sell books.
If you're wondering about the Kirk Cameron library thing, Hemant Mehta covered it in some detail recently.
Someone let that gentleman know when a multi-millionaire b-class celebrity like Kirk Cameron is in any fashion somehow oppressed.
My response for "what do you guys want" would have been "That everyone's beliefs are respected. Do you want to be Christian? Fine by me. But if I'm an Atheist or if I'm Gay or Trans or whatever, you have to be fine by it. Also, that religions accept the facts of science. Facts can't conform to religion, is religions that have to adapt to facts, because we all are living in reality and you should act like it"
He's mad he can't force his religion, so he feels oppressed.
Jon was told by a pastor that Christians are oppressed. Therefore Christians are oppressed. Any questions?
I wish you guys asked him to explain how people are being subjected to trans rights and what that even means. If you would have had him actually explain it he would have looked incredibly silly
He was incredibly silly and never answered any questions anyway. I like how Jim asked are you going to answer the question, and caller says I am asking a question.
It would have been same old transphobic bs about how "children are brainwashed to be trans!" 🤦🏼♀️
Damn! Jmikes beard grows so fast it's almost supernatural! I wish my bald head could grow some hair that fast-or at all for that matter.
I find my beard hair grows thicker and faster the more I lose on top. It's like it's trying to compensate.
Try having alopecia from head to toe..😐
@@ookeekthelibrarian My ear hair grows so fast I told my wife that I should braid it!
@@ajclements4627 Sorry.
You’ve just got to pray…if nothing happens, that’s God’s will and you weren’t meant to have hair. Probably because you’re so full of sin or whatever. Obviously if you do get the hair, then Halle-fucking-loo-yah and there’s your Jeebus proof 🙏🙏🙏
Christian: We are being oppressed
How so?
Christian: Our Bible isn't in every single library on the planet.
The book he is talking about is not banned. He "volunteered" to read his christian-oriented children's book and claims 50 libraries turned him down. He fails to mention any "why", but in the cases I saw folks dig into it was a combination of "we don't have such a program" to "we can't host your religious services in a government funded library". KC did this in response to the "Drag Queens read to kids" stories under the assumption that libraries somehow must allow anybody to come in and read to kids. They said no, so obviously they are giving special rights to those evil people he thinks should be killed. I am guessing he is conflating that with "they will not stock my book".
Jon has been listening to "christian" propaganda, telling him that christians are being persecuted. They HAVE to be persecuted to make being christian worthwhile. His reference to Cameron's book is true. A PRIATE library simply decided not to have a reading of his book in their library.
Jon, if you read this, then this situation would be like the paster of a Baptist church refusing to allow a reading from The Book Of Mormon. Does that help you understand the situation?
Or refusing a reading by an out gay Episcopal priest who wants to read something that's Christ positive to kids. Heaven forbid a gay guy merely exist and not even bring up such things to the kids, but just read a book to them about something that brings glory to the God Baptists and Episcopalians both believe in
how would a public library not give the room to anybody? at my library, you sign up for a free room, and you get it. they dont even ask
So Cameron was being a DCIk because a library wouldn’t schedule him a spot during his book tour because the library wasn’t equipped to host, and for lack of a better words someone so famous.
He and Ray Comfort and all of Answers in Genesis made a big stink about it.
Obviously pubic outcry forced at least one of the libraries to host him, I’m sure someone sponsored his victory and they setup televisions and sound outside for the claim is 2,500 people showed up.
And victory was declared and put the cross dresser reading groups to shame because they only bring in crowds of around 10
and also Kirt or Kurt targeted these libraries because they have those reading programs.
And of course KC will never have a reading program or ever again care about libraries.
Their mission was to intentionally designed to stir 💩 up.
Sorry for the rant
The drag queens are reading non-religious books while Cameron's book is indoctrination.
Caller: Do you want to destroy Christianity?
No, I want people to believe true things.
Caller: What's the difference?
XD. You probably should have considered that retort a little longer.
Jim is excellent at pulling together a perfectly framed argument.
@@JimCastleberry
huh?
@@lilmsgs lil' troll is mad that people dare to say that it isn’t persecuted but is instead persecutor when it demands rights to bully others, so it tries to insult Jim.
@@valivali8104
Yup. There's no question that christians in the US are the persecutors.
Libraries don’t stock every book ever, people have to put requests in for them 😂
They also often have limited funding and even have to weed every so often, it's a whole process I'm only party to in a limited fashion as a worker, but it's knowledge I think many people don't have regarding libraries
Kirk Cameron wants public libraries to promote his religious book which is not the same as a community member or group choosing to read a library book to children.
Please quit using this bs argument about Kirk's dumb book. He's playing the victim because a library refused to partner with him for a book reading. They didn't have any problem with him booking a room for his event.
He did, in fact, have the book reading. And then his publishers lied on Twitter about how many people showed up, only for the library to smack them down with corrections.
That was the weakest argument I think I've heard in a long time. He didn't even HAVE an argument to present, he literally just called in to scream about trans people. 🙄
Alternative title - ordinary decent human beings are accepted in society more so than crazy oppressive cult followers.
"Little Boys and Girls being subjected to Trans rights" - oh dear dude, being Christian means you DO NOT want children to know about HUMAN rights? - Also, Jon always calls in with some piss-ass question but he just is DYING to spew his hate
Please stop taking calls from Jon from Canada.
"Did you just admit that Christianity is not a true belief?"
That was what I heard.
What I heard was that he does not know the difference between truth and falsity. So surprised.
So, in a nutshell, he's been sold on the story that Cameron crafted as a publicity stunt to sell his crappy book.
There is not any problem getting religious books in libraries, so long as people follow the normal procedures.
If that's what he considers good evidence, he has nothing.
And the final attempt, that he's "subjected" to requests to treat trans people with respect. And that's persecution?
Kirk Cameron's children's book is called Pride Comes Before the Fall.
$10 says it's just a clumsy anti-LGBT metaphor like Johnny the Walrus.
And in some really disturbing news for Jon and all the usual bible manglers who post here, Pope Francis has just come out (ahem!) and said that "homosexuality is not a crime.
"Pope Francis has criticised laws that criminalise homosexuality as "unjust," saying God loves all his children just as they are."
"The head of the Catholic Church also called on Catholic bishops who support such laws to welcome LGBTQ people into the church.
"Being homosexual isn't a crime," he said in an interview with The Associated Press on Tuesday.
It’s a day of celebration for you. Exalt thee homosexuals. 😂😂 worship thy homosexuals😂😂
He's not a true Scotsman! GYARRR
@@damonkenny3444 You need to take your fetishes and grievances to your next confessional, Festus.
@@damonkenny3444
Why do you hate homosexuals, Damon?
Surely they're just part of your own sensory perceptions so no different to your other delusions? Do you hate your own thoughts and senses?
@@ookeekthelibrarian Oh yeah! We are gonna have some fun with this! Big Bang is passe shit!
Where are “little boys and little girls being forced into trans“ anything?
As an Australian I was horrified to hear that anyone could be afraid to say they were Atheist. I normally assume most people I talk to are to some degree Atheist and am mildly amused to hear there are still Christians around.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. 🇦🇺🦘
That seems to be one of the rare distinguishing features between us Aussies and the Americans. Religion just doesn't seem to want to die in the US.
@@shakeelali20 True. Aussies are less inclined to buy into BS. On the other hand I heard that Aussies sold the Sydney Harbour Bridge three different times to Americans. I’ve worked with some Americans and I have nothing against them. However it was noticeable that when they tried to come the raw prawn, other Aussies would put them in their place.🤣
Religion and politics are a bad mix, I think we are less interested in either of those.
@@RickyisSwan Spot on. The less of either that we have in public spaces the better. I think most Aussies thankfully are a lot smarter than pollies or the Church would like and that's lead to a better society overall.
@@shakeelali20 I committed elsewhere that religion would die out completely within a generation, if parents stopped telling their little kids, “You must believe in and worship this god because if you don’t you will burn in hell forever when you die.”
I also explained that which god is the “true” god is a matter of geography. They all believe the true god is the one predominantly believed in which ever country they were born in. To me, that fact completely annihilates religious belief.
Being lgbtq, especially if you're trans can be very dangerous.
The majority of my family cut ties with me because I chose a different name, I don't want any surgeries but because of their traditional/religious values I'm a stranger to them.
And being an atheist as well will definitely affect your ability to find work.
The caller must be completely ignorant towards the struggles of minorities.
Hope you doing OK mate. You desearve to be happy no matter what others say
@@1Alex117 thank you
Near the end of the call when Jon asked what their goal was, it really illustrated how modern Christianity comes across to me. While the hosts are working for the benefit of others, the Christian is only worried about how that affects him even when there's no indication whatsoever that it would. No, that's not all Christians, but it certainly seems to be the loudest, and that in itself is a problem. I really wish the better Christians would stand up and be louder than their worst members.
I’m opposed to religion 100% and I am an atheist. Still, I helped my grandchildren and their friends attend their religious stuff (for example, youth group meetings) and even helped them financially at times so they could attend their youth groups. They tolerated me some when I would drop them off and say things like, “for god so loved the world he drowned everyone in it.” So, I support religious rights, but I don’t tolerate it when religious people try to stifle my speech (I didn’t try to embarrass my grandchildren so I made my snarky remarks in private), especially because I usually say nothing about religion except when “provoked,” for example when the Mormon missionaries show up at my door.
So far, 4 of my 10 grandchildren who are old enough to make their own decision seem to have escaped the glue of religion. I’m not superstitious, but I keep my fingers cross.
The same people who are afraid of drag queens in libraries reading books, are probably completely unaware that in Shakespeare's time, women were forbidden to perform on stage, so all the female parts were played my men in makeup, wigs and dressed as women...
Shakespeare’s female roles were played by boys or young men until 1660, but new research by the British Library has uncovered details of the careers of the few, ground-breaking women who began to take on major Shakespearean characters in the face of the prejudice OF THAT PARTICULAR TIME AND PLACE.There's also evidence that women acted in street performances, and in other notorious venues. But yes, all commercial acting companies of the time were made up of mostly men.
Quit trying to support your gay conquest with fabricated stories about history.
@Killyrself
You couldn't be more bad faith if you tried. You said it yourself that according to the NEW findings women were able to play female roles much earlier than we knew before. Is it possible that OP was simply misinformed rather than lying? Nah, being pro gay = evil
Besides it doesn't change the argument at all. In the past men playing female roles were 100% normal and ok. Nowadays drag queens are victims of mindless moral panic
@@cajunking5987 "drag isn’t just men playing women in a play"
Shut up fool...
I knew a guy who was a drag performer...
His very female wife and mother of his kids, helped design his costumes...
" don’t play dumb"
What? Too much competition for you...?
@@cajunking5987 And nothing you said matters either...
@@cajunking5987
"you don’t care. There’s a difference."
You're right, I don't care... and neither should you....
The fundies' war on the LGBQ community and abortion, is a current example!
Just read about another incident in March 2023 at a Tennessee library where Cameron was supposed to read a book to children but instead got a Christian flag-waving rally going. The librarian who tried to raise an objection was fired. Does that sound like anti-Christian persecution?
Jon literally out here making shit up. I just opened my library app and there are MULTIPLE Kirk Cameron books.
Jon has a major comprehension problem. Either English isn't his first language, or he legitimately lacks intelligence. Could realistically be both.
Some people just can't think things through logically. It's not necessarily lack of intelligence, but it is a blindness in a certain sense.
Also, when someone is so emotionally vested in a certain idea, it's very difficult to argue them away from that idea.
@Queue Cee Sure, you're absolutely right. This felt different to me. I've heard plenty of people who mostly just lacked the ability to see past their convictions. This guy seemed to suffer from that, plus a sprinkle of stupidity dust. That's just me...
When you're so unaware of your privelage that other people getting equality looks like a threat...
Jim misunderstood the Kirk Cameron thing. I'm sure the library would stock the book. Apparently there were libraries that wouldn't let him come in for an event to read the book. Not that they should.
We've heard this particular caller whine and cry about all kinds of bigoted and ignorant views on social issues that their religion has led them to. We've never heard them provide any kind of compelling or even interesting reason or argument for their god belief across many calls. Like was clearly said in the call, it seems like the religion is a vessel for this person to push their bigotry and ignorance out.
We mock trans for their body/self awareness but we except delusional belief in a god that cannot be proven beyond doubt. The irony.
textbook example of persecution complex
Trans rights are human rights. Human rights are for every human, trans or not, gay or not… How is this difficult to understand?
Nursery rules, its icky.
@@JimCastleberry Pedophilia and necrophilia are crimes. Transsexuality and homosexuality are not. Your analogy is irrational.
@@JimCastleberry Huh? What are you talking about?
@@marcusreading3783 Huh?
@@torontocitizen6802 Basically the reason why these dipshits are so intent on stopping LGBT people from existing peacefully is because they find the idea of them icky.
I’m gonna start a religion that says everyone in any religion but mine is stupid and should be ignored, then say that I’m being persecuted when the caller disagrees.
Jim and Jmike are a power couple.
He doesn't have the facts . The library does have the a statement that cleared up the claim . One just have to look for the story.
I wish these folk would be honest. The kirk Cameron thing is referring to a public library that wasn't going to just give hime free space for his book signing. They were more than happy to rent space like they would for anyone else, but Kirk had to whine, as they do.
At the very end he says "subjected to trans rights" and that is the perfect Freudian slip
Man I can't even listen to this whole call. It's painful to listen to this guy earnestly feel like his religion is being oppressed because he can list off some examples without providing all the context and nuance they surely have.
It feels like Jon used all 5 of his braincells to attempt this call 😂
the poor downtrodden 84 percent speak out. Poor dears.
“I’m being oppressed because someone I don’t like (afraid of) is being treated equally”. 🙄
Jim was on fire with this caller. After Jim gives countless examples of Christian persecution of others, then tops it off with evidence that Christianity is privileged in this country. And the guy’s answer is Kirk Cameron’s book. Holy heck.
Those who benefit from the system see others gaining equality as a form of oppression for themselves.
I think the mental block these poor persecuted callers have is that they only define oppression in terms of Nazi concentration camps. (well, for other people, anyway, not themselves)
"Subjected to rights" ? WTF?
Was this guy a prank caller? Can anybody be so dense?
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭life is so so sad for Jon Boowhoo whoo😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭. The Christian is so appressed when he’s asked to do unto others as you’d want done to you😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yes that sounds like something Christ would do.....................LOL
These guys are too polite. Why give this person a platform ? Should have put him in his place right away. That’s what I love about Matt.
Next time atheist show hosts get asked why they are doing the show, they should complain they are being subjected to Christian rights. :P
I'm a writer who follows the market. Christian books outsell everything in the market except romance. There isn't any prohibition against Christian books, but bad books will never do well no matter who wrote them.
Isn't God theory really about wealth and power? Like George Carlin said, why does God need money? If God is real we would all be treated equally not randomly.
On the Kurt Cameron point: It wasn't that he couldn't read it. He could. He held an event at the library, which had a maximum occupancy of ~100 people, and well over 300 people showed up, so the library staff told him that a number of people needed to leave or that he needed to do the reading elsewhere with a higher occupancy. Then he went onto a dozen conservative crank media shows just to get his fifteen minutes since nobody hires him to do anything again, and he spread disinformation about what was going on. There was no conservative victimhood, dude violated fire safety regulations and occupancy regulations, not any religious oppression.
So, the funny thing is that a two-part video of Kirk Cameron reading his damned book at a public library in Indianapolis is available on TH-cam...
lets face it Kirk Cameron SHOULD be oppressed in fact all bigotry SHOULD be oppressed
“Subjected to trans rights.” ANY kind of self reflection and you should be able to spot that from a mile away. No one is “subjected” to fucking rights.
“Kirk Cameron wrote a book.” - hilarious.
I am here in Canada, precisely in Alberta. Christianity here enjoys LOTS of privileged positions and is comfortably sitting on it undisturbed. The caller is a total joke. But these few resented christians cannot stand that slowly gay, trans and other rights are fighting back.
How are homosexuals being suppressed in Canada? Well, not so much any more. Canada has always been pretty forgiving and inclusive of homosexuals.
Having said that, however, even this country did not legalize same sex marriage until 2005. That was only 18 years ago.
I would like to hear who got arrested for saying "Jesus loves you".
The only way that would happen is if they said that while committing a crime. But they wouldn't be charged with saying that.
"I would like to hear who got arrested for saying "Jesus loves you"."
A man in a frock in the apse after choir boy practice?
@@holgerlubotzki3469 😄Could be. But even so, he wouldn't be getting arrested for what he said.
@@jquest99 Did he say "Lord Jesus, please bless this heavenly sausage?"
@@holgerlubotzki3469 😳
@@jquest99 You should check out a song by Frank Zappa from the _Broadway the Hard Way_ album called _Jezebel Boy_
So should Smochy Grice.
This goofball probably thinks it's a big atheist conspiracy that Kevin Sorbo didn't win an Oscar for _God's Not Dead._
Don't you just love it when a caller asked to present argument with facts and they say
" here we go"
Followed by salad of feelings and personal beliefs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's amazing to me is there have been philosophical discussions about the evidence for God from Christian authors, and callers can't even point to those. Occasionally, you'll have a caller come up with Pascal's Wager, but they don't even know it's called Pascal's Wager or that everyone on AE has probably read Pensées.
They think they're gonna just call in to dunk on atheists with "facts and logic," but then flounder about with the most basic questions. Like...Motherfucker, you couldn't even be bothered to read some Kant or Luther before making a fool of yourself?
@@nekrataali They don't want to know.
As you gain knowledge, you find that there is so much you still need to learn, so much to explore. Bit if you base large part of you life on beliefs and faith , then you feel that you know everything....
Just listened how often they speak of evolution, without understanding basics,that is a process, not magical changing trick. Where is a missing link? There is no fucking link, it's not a thing...🤣🤣🤣
Obvious sealioning. Demanding that you explain and give proof and when you do, say they don't understand and insist you explain it to them over and over.
Religion takes many forms, and certainly they aren't all bad or equal to one another. Your average religious person in the US might not do anything beyond attending church on the weekend. They probably don't hate people unjustly, and use religion more as a tool to guide themselves, rather than a rigid, unyielding monolith control. That being said, even in the best case scenario this may still lead people to favor something such as prayer over legitimate, practical ways to address problems. (best exemplified in faith healers preventing people from seeking professional medical care) It may also cause people to "other" people based solely on antiquated beliefs, which can ultimately be bad in some cases. (persecution, loss of rights, secondary citizen status, etc.) It can also lead to people believing things that are outright lies designed solely to further certain people's careers or power. It's easy for someone religious to be in a situation where they must choose humanity or God, and in this case, they will likely be inclined to side with God. It's hard to compare your eternal soul to say, backing someone you don't agree with since the direct ramifications of human interaction end at death.
"But what's the difference?"
😆😅😂🤣
If I had a son who was Trans, a daughter who was gay and wanted to marry, a cousin who was raped and desperately wanted an abortion, a father who was dying because treatment for his illness was unavailable because research had been hampered, a mother who desperately wanted to die because the incurable pain was making living unendurable, a brother who couldn't find employment due to his atheism, another female cousin who wanted to be a catholic priest - the one organisation that would be standing in their way would be the christian church. How is it THEY are being persecuted?
For your future reference:
When you say "if I had a son who was trans.." you're speaking about a female assigned person who is a boy and assumed to be a girl because of his physiologies and hormones he was born with..
While you're trying to be supportive, your potential son is mistakenly assigned Female.. I hope that is what you mean.
Otherwise, saying you're son being trans means that a boy is going to or seeks to be a girl makes you sound like you to need read up on identity.. your "son" statement is literally confusing me..
@@kirakp2661 You are reading way to much into it and ironically is borderline transphobic due to you needing to know the genitals of a non existant person.
They said trans son, so leave it at that.
@@briannamay5459 I am confused by this... 1) I am trans myself, 2) when I hear statements about people "wanting to be another gender" etc, in assuming that cis ignorance is at play and making bizarre claims that trans people are somehow cis people, still their "Biological gender", wanting to be another gender..
No biggie if you missed it.
@@briannamay5459 ahh.. you missed that ambiguity is laced throughout Their statement about "if I had a son who is trans"...
@@briannamay5459 moreover, your statement is ironic.. after all, I'm no longer a believer that Biological sex is real, but an ideology.. also, I assume most people who speak so wonderfully about trans people still assume that trans people are still "really" their gender assigned at birth based on anatomy and physiology being gendered by our culture.