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- The Atheist Experience 26.31 7-31-2022 with Jim Barrows and Christy Powell
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frustrating how often the Christian mindset is "some guy said a thing to me an I believed it immediately so anything I say is proof and truth too"
What's worse is when they accuse nonbelievers of blind belief. Because that's a bad thing when we do it (and we don't).
Dude it’s worse then that “ some guy told me something impossible he read from a book over 2000 years old ago and I believed it”
That is rarely the real reason though. They were brought up believing it. There’s no particular reason to think that it’s true but they have to come up with something … hence, “this book says a thing”.
they search for validation of what they already believe and throw out anything thing to the contrary
The Christian mindset in general is frustrating
He's studied 100s of 1000's of stories, but can't be bothered with a single course in logic 101.
"What's your evidence?"
"There are hundreds of thousands."
"Name one."
"Hundreds of thousands."
"Near death experience" does NOT mean dying and coming back to life. It means ALMOST dying. So everybody had that wrong. There have NOT been thousands of documented NDEs (much less tens of thousands), so the caller is just FOS (" From 1975 to 2005, some 2500 self reported individuals in the US had been reviewed in retrospective studies...with an additional 600 outside the US" - Wiki, NDEs). And the NDE experiences that are reported varied greatly.
You see all the evidence everyday, but choose to believe the lie of where it came from.
Can't deny that everything above ground came from below ground.
@@scambammer6102 also there is no evidence of supernatural causes in NDE's
it is most likely they are caused by mere oxygen deprivation to the brain...
@@plainwhitepaper3898 would you care to repost that in plain English? you can even use plain white paper if you like, thxs!
@@hellshade2 When you look in the mirror and you see the Glory of GOD'S creation, that is where you choose to ignore the evidence of TRUTH.
All things above ground come from below ground.
Buildings, cars, trees, etc come from below ground.
GOD'S invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made.
Even the first man. GENESIS 2:7
Man has an answer for creation; Evolution.
But evolution does not explain the supernatural word that comes to my sub-conscience mind on a regular basis.
The ending is priceless.
"You can't just say 'I don't know, therefore the supernatural'."
"I can!"
"[ ] I hope you have a wonderful Sunday, talk to you later."
Yeah with minds like that, there's just no getting through to them, it's best to just move on.
@@edboonsucks3218 Why does Ed Boon suck? Is it something recent?
You can’t say that if you value your credibility.😜
Yes, this caller demonstrates a perfect example of the Argument From Ignorance Fallacy.
@@devilquill and that he does not even understand it... 🙄
How can this be a 53 year old adult? This is literally like listening to a child.
Like most adults around me...I called them kidults.
On that subject, I recently thought of a response to "What would it take for you to believe in God?".
Me: "What would it take for you believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?".
It really is embarrassing
There seems to be a large group of Americans who all sound like this. They sound like they live in an enclosed environment and have the logic of a cardboard box 📦 and are so bigoted.
how can thisguy be a 53 year old adult and sounds like a child arguing?
years and years of training in circular reasoning.
My husband had an out of body experience during an NDE when he had a heart attack. He said he floated above his body as doctors were working on him. He told me he saw me in the trauma room. Problem is, I wasn’t in the trauma room. I was at the check in desk.
If you find near death experiences as something profound then you also have to accept the 10s of thousands of alien abductions, Loch Ness monster sightings, Bigfoot encounters, etc etc etc....
Christians: B...bu...but... da bible not say anything bout dem.... sooo...sooo.... dey no realz.... not like talking snakes donkeys and bushes...
Exactly! Yet the caller accepts NDE’s simply because they support what he already believes.
Also he has to accept the GODS of other religions and cultures.
NDE or even the concept of an afterlife do not correlate to the existence of a god. The wishful thinking and willful thing of some people is baffling...
These are the REAL seven deadly sins.
1. Apathy
2. Cruelty
3. Duplicity
4. Hypocrisy
5. False morality
6. Abuse of power
7. Cultivated ignorance
Mayonnaise on a hot dog.
@@jamesparson You're thinking of the list of 7 complete and utter atrocities against nature itself.
I like how the names keep getting longer in scale. That's some mathematical s**t right there.
@@Mouse_007 You are violating #1. You monster!
@@jamesparson All of the above especially yours. 😂
"I have all the evidence why are you not convinced?"
"Give the evidence then"
"Why don't you believe me? You can find them everywhere!"
"Give one"
And nothing comes out of it
'If i give the evidence you won't believe it'
'I don't have to prove it'
Etc. The excuses never end eh
😂😂
atheists do believe but no one can convince them that they do
@@CyberBeep_kenshi I had one Christian tell me that me not being a Christian invalidated me talking about it. I thought that was incredibly convenient to dismiss the alternate side of the argument.
He's just regurgitating what he heard somebody else say
Doesn’t get more circular than that.
Round and round they go...
The ouroboros is jelous at the circulation of this christian's reasoning.
jesus was a failure or e fantasy. Either one.
Must be dizzying. Explains a lot.
Yup- this guy was Pi
"I've been a Christian all my life, starting from age 15." Bub, that isn't all your life.
Maybe they should have asked him right there if he has a reliable memory, knows basic math, or knows when his life begun before moving on to more complex questions about God.
"I was born at a very young age."
Funny how a book that will fail if you question it has rules and threats of torture if you do question it.
It is filled with "answers" to questions. "If they question it, they won't find the answer because God" and this is considered evidence?
Well I am the King of England and if you question that, you won't find proof that I am because I have hidden it from you so you can't be sure.
The Abrahamics are, if taken literally, a cartoon cult version of religion.
But in the modern age Cartoon Cult Religion is clearly the most popular kind.
haha! Exactly!
A book that spends more time establishing rules for a very specific fight involving a wife grabbing the genitals of the opponent of her husband than it does establishing that slavery is emphatically wrong and immoral.
Oh that's good! i'm making it into a meme right now.
This reasoning is so wonderfully circular, it's like a donut.
It even has a nice big hole in the center!
it holy ha ha ha I think no Xion ever reads the bible in full
Don't judge him, they don't know what circular reasoning means. :)
You know, a donut is like, extra-circular, 'cause it's circular in two different ways!
The best donuts have jam in the middle.
Where’s the jam, Rodney. Show me the jam!
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 Nnnnnooooo, custard in the middle. Vanilla custard.
I'm really curious how he managed to separate the 10 percent of Afterlife claims as false from the 90 percent he claims are true.
Well, he's studied thousands and thousands of cases!
Easy, the ones that don't align with his preconceived notion of his personal religion are false!
@@Gremriel or even HUNDREDS of thousands, depending on how long the conversation drags on with him.
😂
Rodney claims thousands of people can't be wrong. I guess he's not familiar with the time drinking Radium water was a big thing where thousands believed it would "cure your ails, makes you feel younger, ect." then it was later revealed to be toxic and deadly.
And another delusional theist (redundant, I know) falls flat on their face......
"Floating outside your body" is an incredibly common experience in traumatic situations. It's called dissociation, which is a psychological term and is purely natural. Many people who have undergone an intensely traumatic event will express having "left their body" and watched it being abused from a third person view. This is theorised to be a way to emotionally distance yourself from something too overwhelming to handle. And no, you don't actually leave your body, you're still in there, your brain is just making you believe you're not. You can't trust your senses, the brain can be very wrong for various reasons
If the person knows about a certain religion, it's natural for the subconscious to use that knowledge to make up a scenario. And if you know about the religion you can interpret it consciously afterwards as being attributed to that belief system
Just felt like sharing for anyone who don't know about this psychological phenomenon!
Wishing everyone a lovely day! :)
Keep sharing .👍
There's always new individuals reading comments who arent aware of these type of psychological phenomena.
You can also have it when you are at your peak physically or mentally as was my experience. It is a sense of euphoria and well being.
Jazz legend Cleo said that she knows she's singing well when she is standing beside herself watching her sing.
In the late 60's, we referred to it as transcendental meditation and numerous people were trying to achieve the state through various illicit substances.
@@kenchristie9214
That's odd that people would refer to a specific type of meditation completely unrelated to the actual phenomena. But not surprising I guess with the amount of mislabeling and misinformation floating around in the general public at any time.
Very well said.
@@xx-sof-xx doesn't that sounds like sleep paralysis which leads you to lucid dreaming
Studying NDE : watching TH-cam testimonies about near death expérience.
4:13 - "Some of the people who had near-death experiences were not completely dead, they were maybe close to death, or nearly dead"
Yes. "Near-death."
I had a good laugh at the caliber of that intellectual round.
Yep, real clinical death means no brain activity, you can not be brought back from that.
"Those who search for signs won't find any"
How convenient for christianity, that what you normally would do to find something doesn't work and therefore christianity is true.
"It's a faith based religion"
Exactly, that's is the problem.
When he said that it was already clear they weren't going to get anywhere with him...
Wait, those who SEARCH wont find anything? But...I've been told over and over again to just search for God and I'll find him! Are you saying that those morons are, gasp, wrong?! SAY IT AINT SO!
Alright, thats enough with the sarcasm. Its already thick enough to spread on my toast and I dont want to choke on it.
If you don’t have flawed reasoning then you’ll never see it. If you don’t start from an illogical position then you won’t see it.
Only garbage can start from that point.
"God works in mysterious ways" was the off-the-shelf answer I got from my in-laws when I was asking them how could they believe in a God that does the terrible things that are described in the old testament, such as Job's bet or Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac and other genocides.
Mind that the conversation started on this topic when they praised God for some of the accomplishments of my stepson, kind of dismissing his own efforts.
If he had stopped at "It's a faith-based religion," I would have respected him. When you try to *prove* "faith-based" anything, that's literally a contradiction - an absurdity.
As Matt brought up in a previous episode, NDEs resemble the afterlife as imagined by the individual. There is not a universal NDE that everyone agrees can only point to one religion. Caller's proof was DOA which is ironic.
@@festerreloaded2690 and you are lying. That's not what the OP said. He said NDEs that point to a common religion. Learn the English language.
@@festerreloaded2690 “Try to stop lying and do the research”
The F irony in that statement.
@@ajclements4627 Fester is a massive joke.
You won’t present evidence for your “easily proven” god Festy, you can only lie, ignore, and deflect.
@@festerreloaded2690 yeah. NDEs are common among all religions. And therein lies thr problem. If NDEs are supposed to be evidence of an afterlife, then say a Hindu having an NDE where Vishnu appears to them proves jesus was a liar.
"Near death" means "still alive". So they are actually SAE's, something we have all the time, while we are alive.
Yep, you can not be brought back from real clinical death without brain activity.
Exactly. If someone is declared dead and five days go by, his body begins to decompose and on the sixth day he suddenly comes back to life and has a story to tell, then we might have something to look at.
"Near" death isn't death.
Many of the NDE's described conform to what the person who experienced them expected to see, i.e. Christians see god, Hindus see various gods, etc. Usually conforming to what religion they were raised in, as it is deep seated in their subconscious.
The caller’s response to this fact was, “Nuh uh!”
@@boblangford5514 Along with "Well, those who saw a different god than than the one I believe in are the ~10% that aren't real."
This is *exactly* what I just said. Haha.
@@boblangford5514 I’ve heard preachers claim that a Hindu person or a Buddhist person had an NDE, and they saw a bright light and then a man with long brown hair who said his name was Jesus and that they were living their life following the wrong religion and should follow Him and His church. They were being given a 2nd chance and should also convert their family and friends. Then they wake up and do exactly that.
When I first deconverted it was one of the first things I looked up because it was so ingrained in my head.
It will surprise no one that I couldn’t find any firsthand evidence of that ever happening. Only Christian blogs relating it as a story.
Anyway, I fully expected this guy to tell one of those stories, but say that there’s hundreds or thousands of cases of it happening, lol.
Adults see dead friends and family members in their NDEs; children see still living friends and family members in their NDEs 🤔
If theists have faith, why are they resorting to pseudo-evidence as their experience when we're asking for evidence.
Good question, the reason they have to scramble to pseudo-evidence is a two part answer I believe.
1.) Faith by a definition is a belief of something that is unseen so they may not understand what a good idea of what evidence actually is as they have conditioned themselves to accept their feelings as evidence.
2.) This unseen thing is a fantasy so since they need to prove this fantasy what better way to prove a fantasy than with more fantasies and faulty reasoning as that is what convinced them to become a theist in the first place. (If they weren't just automatically born into the theology in the first place)
I hope I answered your question correctly, although hey, I am open to any better answers with some evidence?
@@lovingbeast5045 I think they experience cognitive dissonance between relying on evidence for most other things in their daily lives, and the Bible telling them not to expect or look for evidence, so they rationalize by claiming evidence is optional but provide the best they have anyway (which often amounts to fallacies and appeals to emotion rather than actually evidence).
@@Krikenemp18 Great idea! While my answer focuses more on the causes of cognitive dissonance your idea focuses more on the effects. :)
They don't want to commit social suicide.
@@jamesparson Most life forms don't want to do this, that's why they preserve themselves. Yet, by falsely believing in these fantasies they view any challenge against the fantasy as a threat to the theists' identities.
Thus this cognitive dissonance is compounded into an insane shock value. If only we could mitigate this extreme assault by offering them a better community in which they could learn to let go of their fantasies in comfort.
A safe place for them to understand what life is supposed to be about? Oh that's right this was supposed to be school! Yet, with all of the theists corrupting the curriculum this is tough.
So the religion literally doesn't want you to look for evidence and literally states you won't find evidence....
So basically it admits it's nonsense.
That's 'roll credits' right there.....
Oh no! Remember though this is THE PERFECT WORDS OF GOD... Shame on you for forgetting that bit. THEN it turns into nonsense and junkfood for the brain.
Yet, I find it funny that this god seems so powerful but still cannot seem to type for itself? This is rather depressing really.
@@lovingbeast5045 lol yes. Or iron out the hundreds of contradictions, even after 2000 years they still can't decide on the last words of jesus...... even if there was one.... can't be 3 different versions at once. But they can all be wrong
If an ideology tells you to not go looking for evidence then it’s 100% guaranteed Bulls**t
I love how he immediately starts listings "signs" strat after saying you don't need signs
@@TheTruthKiwi mr contradiction 🤣
Rodney: “I first encountered this show a few months ago and I’m calling to see what it’s about.”
So in a few months you haven’t been able to figure out what the show is about?🤡
Here’s your sign.
He’s got a point. Once you believe in one imaginary friend, there’s no logical reason to not believe in the rest of them.🤡
Rodney: “But jesus did say that….”
Rodney, don’t you know that before you quote your imaginary friends, you need to prove they exist.🙈
I'd never been in a flight in my life but one day someone REALLY annoyed me. I got him down on the ground and drew back to give him an almighty kick. I woke up howling because I'd kicked the brick wall my bed was against 😩. I'd a sore foot for a couple of days.
That's how convinced I was the dream was a real experience. Similar to an NDE?
Not to mention that your brain is necessarily functioning abnormally while on the verge of death.
I have a very distinct memory of waking up halfway down the stairs of a hotel I was staying in, then running back up into my hotel room and getting back into bed. Which is more likely?
1: I somehow managed to unlock a door and safely traverse a flight of stairs in a building that I had no familiarity with, all while asleep (having no history of sleepwalking before or since).
Or
2: I had a particularly vivid dream.
Most of the NDE are fruitcakes that don’t want reality to mess with their delusions.
@@thegrouchization Christian: " I pick no.3".
I almost was convinced that I (at age 15) was married to a spider because I dreamt it and it somehow felt so realistic.
I now know that I am not married to a spider if you are wondering.
"Can you give us an example?"
"There are so many, just thousands."
"Can you give us one? The best example?"
"I've read about all of them. So many. Lots of people think this."
JFC
I've had two near death experiences. Once from loss of blood due to a gun shot and the other was from a car wreck. Both of my near death experiences felt like a dream and it basically was. I didn't see a light or I wasn't floating above my body, my brain was losing oxygen and started to lose brain cells, that's all. The brain is weird and does weird stuff.
@Lrr_Of_Omikron As comedian Bob Nelson said many years ago, "The mind is a terrible thing."
Good you're still here
@@CyberBeep_kenshi Are we?
yep, I experienced the same thing. Like a dream.
That's crazy. Although mine wasn't as intense, I've come close to what felt like a 5% health bar in a hospital as a kid. While the medical staff were working on me, I was in a semi-conscious state and I briefly hallucinated the presence of some dark smoky entity in the room.
Another Christian who clearly has not read the entire bible, and maybe even not the New Testament. I have yet to meet a Christian who has done that and still believes. Except for several of my ministers who studied theology and needed to read the Bible on University.
And I have found out that most ministers and preachers are actually atheist themselves BECAUSE they know the contents of the Bible. Here in the Netherlands our most famous minister who also did the Royal house weddings has come out as an atheist a few years ago. At the end of his life he finally had the courage to say the god of the bible is hard to believe in.
Or take someone like Mother Theresa who also wrote she actually had a hard time believing in the god of the Bible. While doing horrible things in the name of the evil Catholicism. So he should be told to READ his bible HONESTLY, so he will become an atheist ASAP.
This is a 53 year old human being that has never had to think critically in his entire life. Terrifying.
That's a bit hyperbolic, to be honest.
Well- maybe he did have to now and then- but he surely failed at it lol.
@@elevown My point is that making absurd blanket statements like that so flippantly is what theists do on a regular basis to bolster their faith. Doing the same is just as foolish.
@@ReddFoxx1562 we got a pretty good idea of how this man thinks based on his “arguments” during this call. I don’t think it’s hyperbolic to say he’s not much of a thinker lol
@@corybanasiak Do you know what "hyperbole" is? You're making a judgment of this person's LITERAL entire life based on a ten minute phonecall. You haven't ruled out things like brain injury so technically you are incorrect and you were just trying to get easy attention.
Yes, Christians know they're right, because of NDEs were people met J.C. or saw hell or some such.
I'm Israeli. Every Rabbi who tries to get ppl to repent, has NDEs were ppl saw things that prove Judaism is true.
And if you look on TH-cam, Islamic apologists have NDEs proving the truth of Islam.
And, of course, they all have ways of explaining away the NDEs of other faiths, but never their own.
Can you say "special pleading"?
It's often painful hearing someone who has never had their beliefs challenged by themselves or another call in, but it is also exciting as it could be the start of them learning.
Straight out of a Monty Python skit, medieval peasants prepare to hang a pretty lady accused of being a witch. Knights of the Round Table appear.
Knight: "How do you KNOW she's a witch?"
Peasant #1: "She has a carrot for a nose!!"
Knight rips off carrot held on pretty lady's face by a string and fixes Peasant #1 with a "Try again, fool" look.
Peasant #2: "She put a spell on me and I DIED!!"
Raised eyebrows all around.
Peasant #2, now somewhat embarrassed: "I got better..."
And then we have Rodney from Michigan, insisting "maybe NEARLY dead" qualifies as a near-death experience.
I guess Rodney also got better.
The spirit of the scene but many errors - newt is funny, not death. Or biscuits....
@@DCronk-qc6sn It's what was ON the biscuits and where they were found...
Please forgive the errors. My grandbrats stole my Holy Grail DVD. Is nothing sacred??
@@krisaaron5771 No Grail DVD?!??! How do you face the day?!?? Also, my favorite, "Help, help, I'm being repressed!" I hope all is well with you and yours!🙂
@@DCronk-qc6sn Everything is terrific! We're living in what sees to be the one place in America where it's not catching fire or flooding. The Knights of the Round Table would be pleased (so would the killer rabbit).
@@krisaaron5771 Likewise! The Great Lakes are taking care of us. Peace.
“I believe because I believe.” Well good luck with that. I don’t believe because I don’t believe… now what?
Now you're right and believers are wrong,,,,, simple
"Don't stop believing."
Journey -
Love the way you approach callers Christy.
He hasn’t actually studied it. If he had he’d know about the numerous experiments into NDE that have never shown any of the claims to have any basis in fact.
"Studied" = looked for obscure sources on the internet confirming your own biases
His "studying" probably amounts to reading no deeper than some personal accounts and extrapolating by a few orders of magnitude.
He heard about it from someone else. He couldn’t give anything.
or he'd at least be able to discuss a specific case
Faith= My friend Cindy "told me" she just bought a new car. I have no reason to believe that she would ever lie to me, therefore I believe (not know) that she bought a new car.
Evidence= My friend Cindy just bought a new car. I was with her at the dealership when she made the purchase. I even rode home with her in her brand new car.
Faith= You believe (not know) there is a God.
Evidence= You either refuse to show it or you don't have any. I think the latter is more probable.
Ah, it's the classic "ignorance = knowledge" argument, where they try to somehow turn "I don't know" into "therefore I DO know it's X".
Good ol' God of the gaps strikes again!
The fact that all of the events described here that are happening to these patients, like rising up to the ceiling and even floating above the hospital. Should tell us that their memories are dodgy. Why are there no memories of going sideways, down into the basement or even going across the street to the coffee shop?
"This thing happened a bunch of times - it must have been Jesus". Great job, scientist.
I would have asked him, “How long did it take you to read those thousands of testimonies?” I’m sure whatever answer he gives would reveal that he has not, in fact, read that many testimonies.
I would have just said "I don't believe you. Name one."
Yawn 🤭😴💤💤💤💤💤
Theists are boring 🤭😴💤💤💤
And then some
It would be great to have a course covering the different uses of the words "evidence", "believe", "know" and "claims" relating to how various religions or religious leaders use those words.
This caller is one of the reasons I left religion many years ago.
I had a dream once. I was in a train with mummy and daddy was the train driver. The train went into a tunnel and mummy left me and came back covered in milk. At one point I heard mummy shouting "Oh Jesus" so now I believe in Jesus. Case proven.
That wasn't milk.
@@easterlake It was ectoplasm!
@@boblangford5514
Erectoplasm.
I'm parched. My mouth is as dry as a mummy's pocket
The next time someone calls in and talks about souls, I'd really like the hosts on the show to ask where a soul's intelligence lies. Where are its memories stored? And if it has a "brain" why do we need a physical one? Would such callers agree to have their brains removed, and see how they get on?
Additionally, at what point did a soul became part of our body in evolutionary terms? did a homo erectus without a soul suddenly gave birth to a homo erectus with a soul? Was the fetus with a soul inside of a mother without a soul?
and how did that feature got predominant among all individuals, was there a time where "souled" and "souless" individuals were living in the same community?
The whole thing is preposterous.
Bit late for that...
Does Rodney know that people dream all the time when sleeping? The mind makes stuff up every single night lol.
Let's take a shot every time he cites "tens of thousands" of accounts.
Later in the convo it became hundreds of thousands😄
The NDE claim he's talking about where someone claimed to have seen something on top of a hospital has already been debunked. When people came to investigate it turned out you could see the rooftop from a vantage point inside the hospital.
Also the person who documented the claimed NDE only released it more than 5 years after the person she claimed to interview was supposed to have the NDE. But when people tried to find her to interview her themselves, no one could find her.
I mean I have dreamed about zombies several times. Does that therefore mean that zombies actually exist? Just because I saw them, heard them and I could actually "feel" how they touched me? 😂 (sarkasm)
@@agent_277 oh lawdy. I used to have a recurring nightmare that zombies were chasing and killing me. They would catch me and I would feel horrible pain as they bit into my body and tore my limbs off. And when I woke up my muscles would hurt. The dreams caused me physical pain. Due to underlying issues from being beaten and stabbed during an attempted rape, I often had dreams I was being hurt or killed. Had to go to a shrink to learn how to deal with it. Fuck the dreams were so realistic. Fortunately I haven't had them in over a decade.
I have seen dozens of Dracula movies Dracula is real.
"I am against religion because it teaches us to satisfied with not understanding the world."
- Richard Dawkins
Classic case of believing incredulity is evidence. Guy actually called personal testimony "insurmountable". He's been taught what to think, not how to think.
I seem to remember a real experiment where teams of surgeons and nurses around the country/worl made signs to put on the tops of cabinets that were not observable from the ground... none of these out of death experiences ever, not ever mentioned these signs,.,.. and when they are on top of the hospitals, maybe they can tell us the names of the compressors and a/c units on top of these hospitals...
Jim is a debunking machine! Rodney brought a stale peanut to a lightsaber battle, lol.
This guy didn't call in for a conversation, just talking over the hosts, endlessly.
People's description of out-of-body experiences almost always match the tradition/religion they come from, and what they would expect based on what they have learned. That alone is more than enough to call bullshit. Why don't unconscious christians experience things from hindu traditions and vice versa?
The caller’s response to this was, “Nuh uh!”
Yes, you are right.
Keyword here is UNCONCIOUS.
Meaning completely unaware of anything.
And im not talking about NDES.
Why couldn't this person get it thru his thick skull that the number of people making a claim does not prove his conclusion that there's a god? Funny how many times a theist will simply be unable to say "I don't know", instead of "it's god".
17 years of this show and people still call in not knowing the difference between a claim and evidence.
because their religious upbringing has generationally conditioned them to avoid critical thinking, genuine reflection, and only taught them to blindly obey their teachings, and that shit like "faith is all you need" "Don't question, don't doubt, just believe and tithe, that's all geezus needs of you. To do otherwise is to risk damnation, and you don't want that little sheep do you? "
I know right.
You have to wonder why a group of people who don't have any idea what they are talking about would host a show.
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Why? Would you go to a mechanic for an upper respiratory infection? Or maybe to a podiatrist for an oil change?
@@John-uk8eo Which show do you mean?
That's a neat name you have
Over 50 years old and thinks like someone who still believes in Santa. How sad.
God is pretty much Santa Claus for adults, just way more insane.
Ok Rodney....
The idea that a personal experience can be supernatural is fallacious at the outset. The thoughts happening in your head cannot justify an external truth.
What a very slow individual. The fact he felt equipped to prove god is a great mirror of the human condition.
Couldn't agree more.
Sleep on your back with head phones and listen to binaural beats will give you vivid dreams and can give you "OBEs", it's all in your head.
Looking at 10,000 comic books ... still won't make Superman true ,
Everyone knows ya gotta read 20k for him to be true!
Go away, nonbeliever, I have a personal relationship with superman. You can't prove it's not real.
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My oxygen starved brain saw it.....so it has to be true.
"I flew out of my body, it's not a dream or a halucination, it's supernatural." 😂🤣
People that are looking for a sign will never find it ! ? what about ; Seek and you shall find.
That’s the beauty of the bible. If you don’t like what one verse says, just keep looking. You’ll find something that says the opposite eventually.
At one time I was heavily researching the history of the German battleship Bismark. During the period I underwent emergency surgery and they lost my vital signs twice on the operating table. I had what I can only describe as the most intense and vivid dream of my life. I was inside the Bismark during it's last moments when it was being attacked.
Just like a christian who is facing death and thinks of heaven and that stuff, I was thinking of the Bismark. My stressed brain recalled what was dominating on my mind and I interpreted it as a dream.
This is not a story I read about or what someone told me, it is a first-hand account from someone who fulfilled all the requirements of a near death experience.
Neuroscience already explains all the near death experience phenomenon. People just need to read up upon it.
Well yeah..Rodney has hundreds of thousands of times 🤣
Just because you have a lot of anecdotes doesn't mean you have any data
Because I believe in Jesus......best dumb excuse ever!
This is the BS my kids mom says....and she wonders why we never got married 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Of all the visions of the afterlife, only about 2-3 percent are of hell. This is rather amazing as the road to heaven is supposed to be "narrow". It makes sense that most religious people would personally think they themselves must be bound for their religions heaven, even if they also believe practically everyone else is due for hell. This really does seem to indicate NDEs are just brain chemistry gone awry from near death trauma!
Hypoxia, lots of hormones, probably some damage or epilepsy. The real miracle would be if nothing happened
A perfect circle: The supernatural exists because NDE, NDE is supernatural because NDE. I am a very very expert on NDE I have studied thousands of then therefore the Supernatural exist. Mummy told me and she don't lie.
Now I get it: all claims are evidence for themselves. Thanks, Rodney.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
That's a good line
Rodney: “just accept and adopt my naïveté, and you’ll believe my ‘shot-full-of-holes’ reasoning too Jim.”
I can walk by a hospital, any tall building, and give you a fairly accurate description of the roof.
I don't even have to walk past it as they are generally much of a muchness, funny how the claim is never "On the north-western most air vent "Harry loves Sally" is scratched into the east facing side in the bottom left corner" (along with proof they've never been within 100 miles of the building before ofc) or something equally specific and equally unvisible from anywhere that isn't right next to it, it's always something anyone would have a fairly decent chance of just guessing or seeing from various vantage points...
Don't think Matt would have been so polite.
I've heard that some hospitals put a specific item somewhere high that can't be seen from anywhere in the room. When a person has a NDE, they are asked did they see this item, the answer is no.
"Visual or auditory hallucinations are often part of the dying experience. The appearance of family members or loved ones who have died is common. These visions are considered normal not supernatural or spiritual. The dying may turn their focus to “another world” and talk to people or see things that others do not see."
The plural of anecdote is not data!
I think part of the problem is that the caller didn't really understand why the hosts weren't just accepting the claims.
An example I would have given would have been something like lightning. For a long time it was considered supernatural, and even when you take a naturalistic approach, I assume one of the earliest conclusions was: rain causes lightning, but then you have to ask: "Why doesn't all rain cause lightning?" "Why does lightning sometimes happen without rain?"
And that's how you begin ruling stuff out, or having a placeholder conclusion that you accept can be disproven later on
they did give that example
@@scambammer6102 they gave one somewhat similar that didn't click with the caller
I do a meditation retreat in the dark and I had an experience that could be described as an "out of body" event. Yet I was aware (most of the time) that I was in my bed. It was a very cool experience, and there was nothing 'supernatural' about it. Sensory deprived brains can do some weird stuff. No god required.
When any religion is boiled down, all that is left is a pot full of magic and a set of promises and threats that you get after you're dead. In other words, you have a pot full of nothing.
NEAR DEATH doesn't ever mean DEAD!
I know. I had a near sex experience and it just wasn't the same
Yes it’s all very well have a near death experience but where are the death experiences? I mean being near death isn’t the same as being dead and providing an account of what happened after death is it.
The brain is already incredibly complex and when you introduce mind altering drugs, people can and will 'see' lots of strange things. To think that these NDEs are related to something spiritual is really grasping for straws. Intelligent people don't play the supernatural card whenever they can't explain something.
Mind altering drugs and a dying brain being starved of oxygen. It’s hardly a stretch to believe that people may hallucinate when close to death!
"Related to something spiritual" may be exactly what they are. Consider all the other things that "exist" in the spiritual realm.
It all appears based on similiar ways of thinking and believing as displayed by most callers of the spiritual community.
@@bellezavudd What even is the ‘spiritual realm’?
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Probably get as many answers for your question as there are people identifying as spiritual.
In my opinion its the same as God , meaning what ever they want to believe it to be. Or put simply, a part of the imagination.
That's why it does seem to be very related to NDEs
It's just dreams. They are still very much alive, they still have brain activity. You can not be brought back to life from real clinical death with no brain activity, that is not possible.
Listen Jim, he has a book full of stories and he read some firsthand accounts. Rock solid evidence to me.
You can always disregard any arguments which cite the figure of 90%, it's just a way of saying "I'm right".
That’s only true 90% of the time
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How can people not understand the difference between a claim and evidence
They do, they just get off from being annoying by pretending they dont know the difference. It's a game for them where you rather not want to see where their hands are
"I do believe there is enough historical evidence" Agreed there is enough to believe Jesus was a man. There is no amount of evidence that proves Jesus was more than a man. If the standard is a story in a book then you have a lot of other stories in other books to explain.
True.
I would happily accept the fact that there might have been a guy called Jesus who was once alive and may haave had medical understand that was way ahead of his time. Maybe he was a magician and / or a charlatan who paid people to pretended to be healed.
He may have been high on some drugs and during that may have claimed that there is a supernatural God who gave him his skills / powers and was charis9enoigh to convince people that what he said was true.
Maybe he was just a medical men who did things people couldn't explained and these people made up stories about him, that he received his powers from a higher being or that he was the son of a higher being - simply because they couldn't understand what he was doing.
People love to make up stories that are o er the top. We can see that with knights killing dragons in the medieval times and people believe that. Theres a high chance that some people may have discovered dinosaur bones and then made up stories about dragons. That would be the most plausible explanation in my opinion.
Jesus lived before the dark ages, so the chance that people would believe him to be supernatural is pretty high.
Jesus was a man, no shit so are all the Daves.
- "I can show that it's logical to believe in God!"
- "OK, do it!"
- "Well, it's logical because it is logical!"
- "You can't just claim that it's logical without using logic!"
- "I can!"
*facepalm*
Anytime there is a partial and a double face palm in the screenshot, you know that it's going to get interesting.
The room for a soul is the synapses. Not one single synapse or point, but a roving agent engaging with many synapses. A symbiosis.
Nobody who has studied 100s of 1000s of documents on any topic talks about it the super vague way he does with not one specific example
The closest he gets to specification is "my buddy said..."
It was obvious that he was lying when saying he studied thousands of cases. He probably heard of about a dozen that confirm to his beliefs, and just exaggerated from there.
Exactly, trying to claim authority. Also adding really quickly stuff like 'they have no reason to lie'......
This was some made up bull
It’s like talking to a child
"I saw that youtube video".
@@rbname7318 When he confirms that he doesn’t understand why appealing to popularity is fallacious, it really is like talking to a child.
After watching this show a number of years it still blows my mind how anyone watching could ever be a Thiest or agree with any Thiest arguments.
The other room thing: it's just like "psychics" that give readings that easily apply and match up to seem like an accurate reading. So, out of body and "I saw doctors using medical instruments, and talking to my family in the hallway" - of COURSE that matched up because that's what happens in the hospital.
Also, there have been MILLIONS of people who have thought the world was flat too... numbers of people don't make someone correct.
The caller’s right that those who search for signs of God won’t find any. We just disagree on why that’s true.
Thank you.
“No, that can’t be true because I’d be wrong.”
Every spiritard ever 😂🤣
Sure is nice that NDEs around the world tend to see their religious figures and not others