StagesBike SB20 Smart Bike: Virtual Groupset and Gearing Setup // Part II
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2020
- The Stages StagesBike SB20 Smart Bike is now shipping and has landed in the Lama Lab. Today's video will cover the recently released app update that allows for gearing / groupset configuration. This is a hands-on demonstration of the custom (Shimano/Campagnolo/Custom) button configuration and the Dreamdrive setup with almost infinite gearing.
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Technical Specifications:
Wireless transmission: 2.4 GHz, ANT+ and Bluetooth® Smart
Accuracy: +/-1.5% of measured power
Control type: Electronic and manual
Max resistance: 300 W at 40 rpm, 1500 W at 120 rpm
Max weight: 300 lbs. (136 kg)
Height range: 4’10” - 6’10” (1.47 m - 2.08 m)
Power max rating: 6.25 W, 150 V
Max braking force: 120 Nm
Crank Lengths: 165 mm, 170 mm, 172.5 mm, 175 mm
Q factor: 155 mm
Handlebar Clamp: 31.8 mm
Handlebar Width: 420 mm (C-C, at the hoods)
Saddle: Stages cutout saddle
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With the final part 3 coming soon, could you add an additional part that compares another smart bikes of the same class to give a buying factor, best value for your money. So far all the smart bikes have their pros & cons regardless of price. It would be great to get a full breakdown on your view.
I was lucky enough to try both the stages and kickr bike out at my local bike shop and am so glad I did. The kickr felt like a toy compared to the robustness of the stages. You can see that this thing is built to stand the test of time. The handlebars felt far superior and the sturdiness was second to none. The only thing that felt different is the gear change which I will give to the kickr as it’s what we are all used to but I suspect after a while the stages will feel like second nature. The stages was whisper quiet as well when compared to the kickr. This is a no brained for me. Stages all the way
What about the gradient up and down on the wahoo bike? Do you believe that is a big plus for the wahoo bike or it doesn’t matter too much? The wahoo bike is $1000 more than the stages but I really do like the stages. I’m kinda torn between the two.
@@DynamiteDB the gradient from my point of view is a gimmick. A smart gimmick but something i am happy to trade for the robustness of the stages. If stages come out with version 2 with beeter gear changing then it would simply kill everything else out there. I should point out that i had to return my Stages bike as the flywheel was noisy. A technician came out and replaced but it was never the same so i returned the bike for a full refund. The service was better than anything else i have experienced whilst being in Australia
@@andrewm6816 thank you for your response. I’m definitely a fan of robustness and think it’s a massive plus. It’s a shame you had to return your bike. I wonder if this is an ongoing issue. I know wahoo products also have a lot of issues as well so it really comes with all products in this industry.
@@DynamiteDB I still have my Tacx Neo 1 and I have had it for 5 years now and it works like a charm. I will revisit stages if and when it gives up n me
@@andrewm6816 nice, I do like the Neo. I’ve only heard bad things about the Flux though. I have a kickr v5. Works extremely well. I had some teething issues with it at first and thought I had picked up a dud but I think it came down to user error. Once I got my head around re-indexing my derailleur and put a Wi-Fi extender in, everything came together, plus my bike had a worn out chain which wasn’t working well with the brands new cassette on the kickr. A friend of mine who has had multiple trainers advised that buying a smart trainer for the first time will take some tweaking before getting them up and running.
Been waiting for this one. Great video!
That app you are using looks so much better , than the TACX Desktop app that i currently subscribe too. Love the dark setup of back ground. Great video. Still cannot decide between the Stage,Wahoo or TACX smartbike.
Using the brakes for sprinting is a great habit to get into lol.
Great Review! Was waiting for it and looking forward for part 3😬
As I'm watching this review I saw my name in the zwifters nearby 👀Then at 8:35 I randomly go past up the Hilly Kom 😆wasn't expected that! Just looked it up and looks like I was doing a solo ride around the Mega Pretzel that day haha got to love Zwift! Ride on! 🚴♂
Great info , mine is coming next week👍🏼
thanks shane , very informative
Damn that break for power technique would be amazing for sprint training 👌
It is indeed :)
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for another great bit of insight btw. Look forward to the full review.
When is part 3 coming out? Great review!
Best man in town.
Hi Shane i won my first D cat race on the 17/10/2023. Stage 3 watopia, it was strange, i normal riding in erg mode, and it was off!!!. My wott when through the roof , .😊
Nice Job!
Thanks for the review Shane....with regards to gearing, do you know if Stages have plans to include a "stutter" to simulate a mechanical on the road change. Also on dream drive how noticeable are the singe gear changes with the ratio between each gear being so small (hope that makes sense)
Hi Shane, when are you releasing part 3 of the stagesbike in to the wild? Looking forward for your full ride review.
Dream drive terminology: I agreed with you watching the live stream, but after watching this video and seeing the actual screens I think this way it's easier to understand. Seems like by "front gear shifts" what they mean is "what happens when you use the front ring buttons" (buttons configured for the front ring). Since the functionality on the levers is configurable it's easier to call it that way, otherwise the button configuration screen will have to change depending on whether you selected dream drive or not, and will seem more complicated for the uninitiated.
Also bummed me out to see so little cassette and FC options, hoping they improve on that. If I (or a friend, or my gym) had a StagesBike it would be very cool to be able to try out 1x and custom-cassette options to see what it feels like, without actually spending the money. Having recently switched to 1x on gravel (40T / 11-40 thankyouverymuch) I spent about three weeks in spreadsheet-mode, comparisons to subcompact/11-32 configs, 46/30 vs 48/31 FC ratios and "jump percentages"... If this tech was readily available it would've saved me a lot of time and risk.
I get two ride ons if I'm lucky. Shane basically has it tattooed above his avatar 😂
When is part 3 coming out? I’m so close to getting one of these.
I really enjoy your videos Shane: excellent content, well thought out and very informative. After sifting through numerous reviews, we opted to purchase this bike online here in the US. Delivery took a couple of weeks, but bike arrived in excellent protective box, very well secured. I definitely "needed a friend" to help moving it into it's new home. I'm impressed with the overall build quality. It's definitely a rugged unit. Your build and setup videos have been extremely helpful. We are just on the cusp of heading into our cold/foul weather months so I'm excited to put it to the test. I'm curious when you think you'll be posting the 3rd installment of your Stages Series??
Thanks for the kind words Brian! Part III is still in production.... Stages keep releasing new updates I need to re-ride, re-test, and reevaluate. "Soon" is the best estimate I have. Overall the bike is a great performer so there's nothing I see jumping out as a surprise in my follow up.
@@gplama That sounds good Shane. I guess we (new owners of the Stages SB20 Bike) should be thrilled that Stages is regularly updating their software. This purchase marks our first serious foray into indoor training. We are still struggling with which indoor app(s) to use in conjunction with the bike though. Plus I'll ride outdoors until the weather really turns. Here on the north shore of Boston, Sept. & October are generally great months to ride. But I need to start figuring out the indoor configuration because wet and cold weather is on the way.
@@gplama Yea we are heading into Winter over here in N/A and want to bite the bullet on one of these smart bikes soon... Anxiously waiting for Part III
Thanks 😊
We need part 3!
I like it, it’s a whole $1,000 cheaper than the Wahoo bike, although the wahoo bike has the bike fit calc plus the gradient lifting up and down and great shifting. I’m torn between the two.
Can’t wait for the next part. Please tell us how noisy it is in comparison to other trainers. This is a dealbreaker for me.
It's VERY quiet.
After watching all the indoor bikes, I think kickr bike is the best indoor bike in the market right now
why?
I would say the stages is. Once working correctly its a seriously solid smooth training tool
Shane, stages bike or kickr bike? Stages looks more commercially solid and they know a thing or 2 about design and from what I hear their support is excellent. The kickr has I guess more realistic gear change and the tilt function but I have found their support on other products to be iffy and being iteration 1 not sure about it’s solid performance...what would you say?
Good video. I wish stages had gone for a simpler system and a lower price. How long before Peleton realizes that if it wants to compete with its bike it needs to open up its system and go head to head with the smart bikes?
Fred, Peloton (Peloton Interactive Inc.) is going after a different market. They are selling a fitness program that uses a stationary bike and their business model relies on collecting monthly fees that allow users access to Peloton's proprietary videos/programs. I don't expect they will change that model anytime soon. My youngest daughter has one, but I wouldn't own one. There are much better options and at lower cost, if you are a serious cyclist.
I was watching the two power displays. It seemed like they never matched and often were off by a considerable amount. It will be interesting to see your test results. When you do it, could you also include the Zwift recorded activity file (not just the one off the power meters)?
Dave Pratt was this just a bit of lag between the two?
The StagesBike has a 3 second delay with Zwift, really easy to see when he sprints. I have a support ticket open with them and they haven’t solved it yet.
Great vid. How do you set up erg mode? I rarely use zwift.....Was planning to purchase the Stages SB and use mostly with TrainerRoad. Feedback appreciated.
@Shane feedback would be appreciated 😀
Will using the NPE cable Bluetooth gadget to take ant+ from the bike to convert to Bluetooth for Apple TV solve the duel Bluetooth issue?
Maybe. I haven't tested this... I'm sure as soon as I do they'll release the dual BLE update and I'd have wasted my time.
So if I’ve seen it right. You can configure SRAM AXS 12 speed rear cassette for 10-33 but you cant do the front chainrings which are strange sizes like 46-33?
Correct at the time of recording this video. Recent updates have added a few more chainring options. I’ll have to loop back and check the list.....
My ? Is shane do u think it will have the belt slippage problems the tacx neo bike has. Im on my 2nd tacx bike and its slipping again even after i changed the belt.???
No idea. These bikes are too new to know anything about wear at this point.
Can i ask did you have connectivity issue with the stages link app? I got my bike Tuesday worked fine for 3 days then on 4th day had to delete the bike on stages link app to add new bike to get it to work again. Also second part question....on zwift it all connected quickly to power meter/cadence/ controlable......but perhaps too fast as it selected the right power meter for power ....which on zwift gave only half power reading compared to the stages link app. Obviously this happened in an event & though i was doing over 300w on the link app i went straight out the back of the group with watts on zwift only showing 150w
Best ping Stages Support on this one. I haven't had any issues with the Zwift pairing... although I'm yet to update to the latest firmware and continue my test rides.
Great video Shane! Will you be doing a part 3 for this bike at all?
Yes. Don’t hold your breath though. Waiting for parts/delivery.
Fair play! It looks like a decent indoor bike. I know you’d used one up previously for part 2 demo. Just curious to know if it’s because parts have failed?
@@Ant-up3iy No failures as such. I'll cover this in part III when it's out.
Nice one. Cheers Shane
Hello , is there a way I can set up the bike for peloton? Peloton uses 1-100 resistance .
Best look at the Stages spin bike range which are more like the Peloton offering.
I'm a total nubie to cycling and just purchased this bike a couple of weeks ago. As casual rider, I never thought about gearing on my regular mountain bike before. Having said that, what gearing settings do you recommend who has just starting out with the SB20?
The default is a good starting point. Then tune/change the gearing to suit your preference.
Thanks for the vdo
Do you know if dual bluetooth has been implemented now?
Yes
@@gplama
Thanks for the super fast response.
I can't wait to see part 3 ;-)
Stages Bikes SB 20 are now delivered to my country
Next evolution is dream drive for a real road bike with a perfectly silent belt drive.
Is the dual Bluetooth issue now resolved so you can use the app and Apple TV?
Apparently yes. I have to update and test.
Hi do have any information whether the SB20 is going to be updated anytime soon? If they are going to change the shifters to Di2 style and have power taken from the fly wheel instead of the cranks. As I use Apple TV and it limited on Bluetooth connections. Thanks.
Nothing I've heard from Stages.
Is there an option to make a sound when you shift gears?
In the updated app, yes.
Since the bike does not have a console and you want to train not using zwift or any other app, can you see heart rate in the stages link app?.....if not, how do you visualize HR?
I don't believe there's any HR pairing.... Not something I've checked within their app.
Great review....can you advise on when Part 3 will be available for viewing? Currently trying to decide between Stages and a Wahoo Bike and hoping yr review will help me decide...!!
Soon.... still waiting on a few things from Stages regarding firmware/features within the app.
@@gplama Shane, thanks. Appreciate there are many differences between the two units, but which would you consider your favorite?
@@williammorrice8138 Kickr Bike at this point.
@@gplama Thanks for the quick reply. Cheers
Hey Shane, noticed that you're clearly a fan of the Stages bike from some of the virtual TDF rides. I recently got mine, very happy with everything, it's a solid well built machine. Problem I'm having is related to ERG mode in Zwift... :( It's seriously unstable! Check on the stages site and followed the suggestions to ensure I was paired to the Stages bike power meter vs the crank power meters and problem still exists. It's so erratic that I fail my Zwift workouts. Any suggestions based on your experience?
Hmm.. It depends in the exact issue you're having. The power numbers from it could use some smoothing.
Shane Miller - GPLama
The reaction time is way off, do you think smoothing will sort that? Seems to be a common issue, called out by Ray Maker in his review too. Little concerned now, hopefully it’s something they can fix with firmware!
@@KevinG575 I'm still digging into the newer firmware and performance with that.
Shane Miller - GPLama 👍🏻
What type of setup do you use for Zwift? The graphics are amazing.
Most likely a dedicated pc, I got one and run zwift at 4k res
HP Omen PC. Nvidia RTX 2060 GPU.
Does it come with a 42 cm bar and can it be changed?
The official spec is "Standard road bar (31.8 mm)". It'll be close to a 42... but the drops splay outwards like a gravel bar.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks Shane
Hey Shane! When is part 3 coming?
Ball is with Stages. We're looking into a few things in regard to power smoothing and accuracy from my testing. Soon..... I hope.
@@gplama Thank you!
is it still so slow response to zwift? I mean you stopped sprinting, and still power is 900w after two seconds. is it still like that?!
I'd have to loop back on this with 3s power smoothing display off and using the new BLE connection between the bike/meters. I don't recall it being too laggy.
@@gplama thanks for your reply man! Thinking to geting one so your are helping much!! If you can help me with my other concerns! Do i need the app or can I connect it directly to zwift?! Erg mode? Any chance they improved it?! Got a saris h3 and i don't know if it worth to upgrade, although I'm riding something like 6months indoor so i was thinking for a sturdy bike!
The H3 is a solid performer in ERG. The SB20 is fine for me in ERG. You can set it all up in the app and never worry about the app again, just connect to Zwift and get stuck into the rides/workouts.
If gear stats are (at least somewhat) easily available with dreamdrive I suppose it could be very useful for setting up gearing on outdoor bikes. Just pick a cassette that corresponds well to the most used gears in dreamdrive.
Who will distribute these in Australian? Anyone know the cost?
There’re here already. Pushys has them listed.
Groupe Sportif in Victoria
I am having the absolute worst experience with this bike nothing but issues. Can not sync anything. Does not record power. Did you do anything special that I may have missed? It always fails when trying to pair and zwift does not detect the trainers ability to control how hard the ride is depending on the gradient of the road.
Have you updated the firmware and paired the power meters to the bike via the Stages Link app?
@@gplama thank you for your response! The power meters will not sync. If they do the app can not calibrate. Im wondering if there is a way to hard reset or factory default the thing.
I suspect that's your issue. Make sure the blue plastic tab is removed fully from each crank arm battery pod, the batteries are good, and try connect/pair/update them via the Stages Link app. Once they're working and linked to the bike it should be all good to go. Stages Support should be able to nut out any other issues if this doesn't work.
How busy is zwift these days with Covid-19?
It was crazy.... it's about a peak season level now.
It went from tens of thousands in a world to I would say around the same as an average November day, at least when I log in. That in and of itself is an improvement because it is summer here in the USA and to see as many people on Zwift as I saw during the winter is a win for them.
@@gplama that's where the new rig and more powerful graphics card comes in handy
Peaky blinders hat cobber
I wonder how many sprinters will crash on the road grabbing a fistful of brakes out of habit
Yeah that was my first thought too 😟
My God, it's got to be aggravating having non-stop "ride ons" coming in. Zwift should really allow you to turn those damn incoming blue thumbs off.
Why even have stepped gears at all. It's an infinitely variable system, just give us a slider w/ up/down.
Good video. The problem with any of these smart bikes is the cost. This product currently cost $2900 in the states. It is ridiculous that a manufacturer can make a quality exercise bike for $600 but as soon as you add smart feature then it cost $2300 more? I guess we will have to wait for a Chinese manufacturer to copy the product so we can buy it for $500.
what quality exercise bike are you finding that has dual power meters, a 50lb flywheel, huge customization options, ant+/BT, compatible with every training app out there, commercial grade, 10 yr warranty and this sort of fit and finish for $600? let me know so i can buy one too
The electrical engineers, software engineers and technical program managers who design, build, and integrate the smart features into a stationary bike need to eat, too.
@@lithangw i agree but everything with cycling is bloated in cost. I can purchase Shimano pedals for $45 but a set with power meters jumps to $1000. Seems a bit extreme which is why consumers are looking to test other options from the Chinese market. $2900 seems a bit excessive for a stationary bike that can never go outside. I have a full carbon road bike and a Saris H3 for $2500 and i can obviously take it on the road or bring the setup to my summer house. Maybe i am under estimating the number of people excited to spend 3k on a stationary bike with some added electronics. :)
@@troyfall6573 Actually, you are. Not with this bike, but with Peloton. Those are less costly, low 2000s, but are subsidized by monthly subscription fees. Peloton has sold well over 700k of these bikes by now. The company itself has a capitalized value of more than 10 billion and exploded even more so during Covid-19. More of Peloton's bikes get sold than any other "real" bike in the US.
@@indianajonze what company has a 10 year warranty on theyre smart bike , please id love to know
Hello,
With the SB20 at $1,999.00 at this time what is your thoughts on the new Kickr bike shift or the SB20?
Thank you.
Almost line ball. Test both if you can and go from there.