StagesBike SB20 Smart Bike: Unboxing, Building, Sizing // Part I
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- The Stages StagesBike SB20 Smart Bike is now shipping and has landed in the Lama Lab. Today's video will cover the unboxing, build, and bike fit. I'll follow this video up with Part II and III covering the software configuration and finally an overall ride experience video after I've clocked up a few 100km on this smart bike. This bike currently retails for US$2899.
Links:
StagesBike Official Site: bit.ly/2W0lgc4
Technical Specifications:
Wireless transmission: 2.4 GHz, ANT+ and Bluetooth® Smart
Accuracy: +/-1.5% of measured power
Control type: Electronic and manual
Max resistance: 300 W at 40 rpm, 1500 W at 120 rpm
Max weight: 300 lbs. (136 kg)
Height range: 4’10” - 6’10” (1.47 m - 2.08 m)
Power max rating: 6.25 W, 150 V
Max braking force: 120 Nm
Crank Lengths: 165 mm, 170 mm, 172.5 mm, 175 mm
Q factor: 155 mm
Handlebar Clamp: 31.8 mm
Handlebar Width: 420 mm (C-C, at the hoods)
Saddle: Stages cutout saddle
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Loved the Anti peloton nodd
I’ll have to be more subtle next time. I was playing with drawmask key frames this week... and thought I’d test out my new skill. ;)
I confess I like it. The benefits of it are pretty innumerable.
What excites me is the ability to fiddle with your position. If you know a little bit about bike fit you could immerse yourself for hours tinkering with the Allan keys and getting yourself set up spot on.
this does sound fun, but really you should do it once per season at most. I had a proper bikefitting done and ideally I'd like to reuse that position - it looks like that is not so simple transitioning measurements from a real bike. Still the concept of a whole bike makes sense, just not the price yet - I have enough space for n+1 and ideally I'd have a separate trainer and my bike intact.
Thank you so much for reviewing the carton measurements. I could not find that info anywhere else!
I have to admit I was quite sniffy about "spin bikes" and dismissed all these smart bikes but this looks very compelling - well made, massively adjustable and well thought out. I'll be looking forward to future updates on this one
Just ordered the SB 20 thanks for the video Ill have a good idea when it gets here. Black Friday Sale now.
10:59 typical Lama humor swinging 🐈 graphic and screeching was hilarious
That massive flywheel should make for an interesting/good ride. Looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
Your videos are the best. I’m pumped for part 2.
On hold while we wait for Stages to get the firmware and apps finished for the gear setup/views. EOM they say.
Thanks for splitting these videos up, my attention span is only about 20min max!
Been waiting for this! Thanks for the awesome review. Can’t wait for Part 2/3.
Great part 1, eager to watch part 3!
thumbs up for the lack of polystyrene
Looking good so far. Hoping the ride experience is good. I have feeling it will be. Ready to part with some money. 🤣
Wheres Part 2.. really consider buying this but not without you full review :)
I think my next trainer will be a smart bike - but hoping that will be in 2 or so years time.
Like the concept of easily having multiple people use
I agree, I’m hoping that “version 2’s” or even “version 3’s” will be for sale by then.
Excellent work, as always Shane.
Hi Shane - loving your recent content, which gave me an idea for SWIFT ZWIFT TIPS - a series of mini videos detailing the ‘actual’ distance you need to ride to achieve a badge. As both you and me have found out - the distance stated can be very different from the riding distance. Some badges are spot on but some are nearly 10k.s out. Keep up the good work mate. Ally
Hi Shane, we just love your videos ... We have ordered oneSB20.. And need part 2 and 3.. So it must be time🤸♀️
Soon! Ball is with Stages to get the firmware and apps out.
Another great video Shane, like that it’s split in to 3.
Thanks 😊 will be buying.
Sneans!! A true Dad it seems lol
Lama looks happy...
New things to ride during lockdown makes me happy.
I needed a short necked 6mm hex to install my Assiomas in the 165mm bores. Also the Q Factor was a bit of a surprise at 157mm…a consequence of using their spinbike chassis I guess.
When i grow up, i want to have a lama-lab too
Eagerly awaiting part 2 mate.... :)
Me too! They said the updates are due this week.
Excellent. I'll eagerly open up youtube on Friday morning then, no pressure ;-)
Thanks!
Looks a bit like an armoured spin bike with that exposed flywheel! With children and pets around I am a fan of enclosing moving parts where possible.
"Bring a friend."
Lifts it by himself.
/flex :D
(OK, I suppose it didn't have the feet on...)
The delivery guy helped place the box in position :)
eagerly waiting for Part 2
Me too. Waiting on Stages.
@@gplama oh, I heard its a firmware update fix...
Hey Shane thanks for another superb video. Just one question, please. Who does the re-boxing to send back? There was quite a bit to the unboxing.
I’ll come to that hurdle when I need to. The box should be ok again with a LOT of tape.
Thanks Shane...now I know what was in the box. I see wheels on front end. Would you say the Stages bike would be easy to move about if one did not have a permanent pain cave (say along a wall). Also, you mentioned handlebar swap -- what about the electronics needed for shifting. That may be in Part 2. Cheers from Pound Ride, NY
wow! the manual didnt go flying over the shoulder in the first 2 mins of the box opening.. things have changed! lol
It’s definitely not as pretty as the wahoo or tacx smart bike but it looks like it’s built to last!
Im with you! Stages bike is quite a brick. Worst is the WATTBIKE thouh. Wahoo KICKR Bike wins thins one in the design department.
BOBonBIKES Design is more than looks. The KICKR Bike and Neo Bike Smart both have chunky top tubes that interfere with some pedaling styles. The KICKR Bike also wobbles during sprints. In this case I’ll take function over form. I knew the Stages Bike would be “the one” since it was unveiled at Eurobike.
The reason I chose the stages Bike is I want something that is bullet proof, take a beating, and last forever. I'd stages commercial bikes are any indication, and based upon the feel of the bike, I'm confident it will meet my needs. Thing is solid.
Out of all the smart bikes this on looks more like a spin bike than the others
Anton Peterson definitely, I suppose it makes sense as they make spin bikes for gyms etc.
Shane - great review Part I video. I think alot of potential buyers are interested in an in-depth description, review and demonstration video on the various "control modes" that the Stages SB20 bike offers: manual, level, ERG, simulation, etc. Specifically, I'm very interested in the Level Mode function of the Stages bike. There's simply no good information out there on the internet, TH-cam (or Stages website) on how this Level Mode actually works and performs. I have a cycling app that changes levels of resistance with cadence changes. The "levels" on my app are generic: 1 - 20. There is no specific power target. Power is just a result of changing the instructed resistance level with the instructed cadence target. My current bike (Freemotion Tour De France commercial model) does not give me levels, but only gives me gearing options (standard vs. compact front and various 11-speed combo cassettes). This works for what I need, but I like the idea of breaking my gears into equal intensity levels.....say: each change in "levels" = 20 watts. With traditional gears and bikes, changes from one gear to the next gear does not equal the same, equal change in resistance level (given the next higher/lower gear ratio or gear inches). Thanks again - great videos and reviews.
Ball is with Stages for now. The firmware is still beta. No gear change customisation or gear view apps are public. When they are released, I’ll keep these videos coming.
Who need manual when we have you!
Probably Favero would recommend adding a washer to the Assioma’s spindle. The pod looks very close to the crank arm.
Very securely packaged
Thank you shane. That helps a lot. Can you take the minimum footprint of the bike please? Without tablet holder. All the best from Germany
Thank you Shane for this interesting review. Looks promising! What happend to the Tacx bike? Is there a ride experience review or were you fed up after the unboxing (x-mas snow)?
I was (and am still) waiting on a few things. It’s been slow going from Tacx/Garmin on that. I’ll get back to it soon.
Here in the uk its delayed till June
Where is part 2???
Dressed for an Aussie Interview Shane
I’m only wearing pants because TH-cam would ban me otherwise. 🤣
Swapping pedales, swapping saddle, easy process. Swapping handlebars ? "maybe" - you may need to re-route all the cables and buttons.
How far away is part 2.....currently looking to buy either this or Wahoo smart bike.
A few weeks according to Stages. I'm waiting on the public firmware/app to show the configuration options/gearing.
@@gplama waiting for part 2 :}
@@perrywu8552 Me too. Ball is with Stages to finalise the firmware/apps.
Interestingly all the specs online suggest a max power of 3000W at 120rpm yet the manual states 1500W at 120rpm! Typo maybe?
Not that it's likely to trouble me but 1500w maximum seems awfully low?
Especially when all their marketing stuff and all websites selling it say 3000W
Looking forward to seeing how quiet it is, compared to a standard Neo or Kickr. Is it belt driven?
75kg ..?? In that case I'm going to need about 4 of my friends
Ronald Reagan ah, your Friends are all cyclists! :))
Please try to measure whether the axis of the bike is exactly in the middle of pedals plane (stance width). What is Q-factor? Thank you
That weighs more than I do!
Love my stages Bike so far but frustrated that the firmware and app haven't been updated to adjust shifting profiles. Are you on beta firmware? Any chance you can confirm whether the shifting "bump" has been implemented?
Confirmed by stages no shifting bump planned.
Good stuff, thanks 👍
The shake you give your handlebars at 10:24...mine has a significant wobble...any ideas? (everything is tightened up: handlebar clamp, handlebar height clamp, handle reach clamp...)
just curious due to the number of trainers and stuff you review, are you buying these retail or do the companies send you loaners/freebies?
Media review units. I don’t own them. I just try to break them.
What's your preferred smart bike to train with
Give me a few weeks to answer this.
@@gplama would be very interested to know, so let me know when you figure it out.
Why does it have batteries for power meter does it not plug into mains?
The location of the (two) meters means it'd be difficult to draw power from the mains. Other smart bikes measure power internally. This also means they'll never give true left/right data either given they're a single point of power measurement.
So had it confirmed by Stages that the max resistance is 1500W not the 3000W that all websites selling the bike are listing. Whilst I won't be hitting 1500W any time soon, feel this is somewhat misleading and I guess a lot of people have bought based on the mammoth specs! :-(
Do you need a stages hart rate monitor or will any Bluetooth monitor do.
Happen to know the dimensions of the box? Trying to determine if it’ll fit in the back of my SUV or if I need to unbox it first.
Surely if you were using older Garmin pedals with specific torque requirements, there is no way in hell you'd be getting a torque wrench behind the drive side crank.
Thankfully the Vector 3 don't require any of that installation silliness.
Every version of the Vector uses regular pedal wrenches and not hex keys, so that’s not a problem. The only issue I had installing pedals with hex keys is in the 165mm bore. I had to whip out a short neck 6mm hex key, and thankfully the SB20 comes with one anyway.
Have none of these smart bikes players thought about adding some "rocker" type motion? The Neo bike doesn't even have the play that the Neo does.
Sounds like a big feature that the next gen smart bikes should incorporate.
The Kickr Bike has a small amount of wiggle due to the design. The NeoBike and this one are pretty solid units.
Hi Shane, when will it be possible to see part 2 on the Stagesbike?
Looks like they're a week or more away from having things ready for the gear/app config.
Shane Miller - GPLama the little drawback for the moment is the fact that we need to use batteries for the power on the stages bike... looking forward to part 2.... still between kicker bike or Stages 😬
Is there much in it regarding the time taken say to change the set up you have to what Von would ride vs the time taken to swap over a bike on a normal smart trainer. I’m guessing the stages bike is faster so long as you don’t have to change pedals?
Any coupon codes available to pre order the bike? And any idea about availability in the Netherlands?
When is part 2?
Longer away than I expected..... Stages are yet to release the final firmware/app for gear configuration.
Shane Miller - GPLama I have already preordered one here in the U.K. so was really only after your part 2 as reassurance I have made a good choice. But I think I have as their build & functionality will stand the test of time.
Do you know if their firmware for the gear change will add a little real life feel to the gear change?
Hi Lama, this machine looks a lot more sturdy than the Wahoo, as a heavy rider, would this be a better choice ?
Maybe. I'll need more time on it to poke and prod the data.
Nice to see the absence of a high, fat, crossbar, other bikes I have seen worry my thighs.
Interesting machine
The cost is $3000
Can one buy a smart trainer an a nice 11 speed alu road bike for $3000 instead of buying this machine ?
What would be the pros and cons of this ?
Would be very interesting to hear your values opinion on this thought
They’re different things... and appeal to a different market.
Does this bike come with petals? I can't see anything online saying it doesn't or does as most people use their favorite but I'm new and only have the petals on my Walmart bike which is my way to work so don't really want to be changing them all the time back and forth
So if you have to destroy the box... What about if you move house? Send it off for warranty repair? Sell it on eBay?
I like the idea of a smart bike.... But not being able to box up if needed is a deal breaker for me.
Commercial shipping/storage/etc prior to hitting the consumer is different to moving house with it. If you wanted to go full send with a few rolls of tape, the box will tape up again. Warranty/repair.... that’s one these companies will need to solve.
Any update when you are going to post 2nd and 3rd part ?
Stages are a few weeks off with the firmware/apps required for this.
@gplama can you use this bike on a level mode and not connected to to training platform. This is so my wife can do spin workouts on it
Looks like without a lot of protection the flywheel is going to get soaked in sweat. Maybe not the best design for heavy sweaters.
If you had to choose between the StagesBike and the Wahoo KICKR Bike, which would you go for?
Call back in a month or two. The StagesBIKE is still yet to have final firmware/config/apps released.
Wait do I have to buy my own pedals when I purchase this bike?
Yes
In the very first heartbeats. Which one is better? The SB20 or the Tacx T8000?
That's not how I review/rate things. Sorry.
No need to apologize. ;-)
Hi Shane, How did you get the Satges bike shipped to you? from Stages HQ in Boulder direct?
Cos Im based in Singapore and dont know whats the best option to purchase and ship it here. Everywhere seems to have issues shipping overseas.
I remembered last time when Stages PM just first came out, it was might difficukt to get it shipped with their geo restrictions on shipping givine excuse of lack of coverage for warranty support.
Looks to have been direct from Taiwan.
Interesting! I really don’t want to like it... but I’m not sure
Shane, I just ordered the bike from USA 😂. Couldnt shake it off my mind. Had to pull the trigger.
Got a question to ask, can you check the power adapter rating for input power, whether it accepts a variable voltage input, ie 110 - 230V input. And that the wall socket end can be easily changed by getting another generic plug end. Is the socket at the power adapter (for the wire end of the wall plug) universal? Reason I asked is that I bought it from USA and where Im staying, the power source is 230V and using UK/euro pin plug. 🤦🏾♂️
Yep, you're good. The power brick has an IEC connector so you'll be right to go.
Would you recommend the SB20 over the SC3 for a first buy?
They're different products. The SC3 is a fixed spin bike. This is an interactive 'smart bike'.
Hi, I ordered those bikes, I'm a runner, new in cycling.. Please can you recommend me suitable pedals? thanks!
Drop into your local bike shop and have a chat to them about pedals and shoes.
Omg the cat!!!! 😂😂😂😂
How easy is moving the bike with the two little rollers on the front?
Easy as the weight is all in the front.
What trainer you tried and found to be most responsive in erg mode? Neo 2T, Kickr2018, H3, or maybe cheaper ones like Direto x, Core, Suito are as much responsive as top tier? What would be best in doing vo2max 40/20 type sprints in erg?
Sprints in ERG are never ideal. It’s not made for that. Level or SIM is better.
@@gplama yes, that I understand, but in general, which of those trainers have best response time, does the most expensive ones in this aspect are better than "bang for the buck" ones?.. Still using Elite cubo fluid and it was fine for years, but getting tired of changing turbo tyres on it and wheel slipping on sprints if tyre is not in perfect condition, so planning for direct a drive trainer. Seems waiting for some time was a good idea, as very first iterations of those smart trainers had various problems, which I hope more or less are fixed in 2020...
3:22 💀
Ha, I spotted that too! Looking forward to the next instalment.
does it come with pedals or you must have your own?
No pedals.
Wat screen sizes do hou have in the Lama lab? Any advice on that based on the distance between you and the bike?
50 and 42. Height and distance to screen is personal preference I think.
Shane on ur web site in regards to the pioneer power metre you said it has the dreaded right side problem what do you mean by that? One of my dual sides has stopped working all together and I have changed batteries and it won’t work any idea?
gplama.com/2019/06/29/shimano-crankset-power-meters/
This music kiks different dude its a great song
I see several smart bike reviews on youtube but here in germany no shop can actually ship you one. They are not available for a year or more now. I read it is a certification problem. Anybody knows more?
On the stages Webshop you can preorder for this june
I just installed one
Can do yours as well .
I’m good, thanks.
So how long until the stages direct drive trainer ?
Hmmmmmm!
batteries for power meters? why choose this tech?
well I have the crank Stages powermeter and very happy with both accuracy and battery lifetime - lasts me a season or so, depending on how much active riding I do. So it looks like they reused it almost 1:1 - a safe choice in my view, but definitely a 1.0 of the bike and for the price I'd expect a bit more not just in terms of powermeters.
Just ordered mine. Getting rid of my Peloton Bike. That's not been a good experience for 3 years.
Do all the tools come with it?
Yes. 3:55 shows all the tools.
Thanks did the ratchet come with it as well, or is that something you had already? Also how did you determine where the pedal went on the bear claw? Is this part of your bike fit? Sorry newbie here and I just ordered one which arrives ina couple of days 😬
Can you buy it in Australia ? How much ?
I'm not sure about availability and pricing in Australia. FE Sports are the distributor.
BEST SPIN BIKES (Ranking by Q factor)
1- Wahoo Kickr Bike (Q Factor is 150mm)
1- Nordictrack S22i (Q Factor is 150mm)
2- Life fitness IC4, Ic5, IC6, IC7 and IC8 (Q Factor is 155mm)
2- Life fitness IC3 (Q Factor is 155mm)
3- StagesBike SB20 Smart Bike (Q Factor is 157mm)
4- Spinner NXT (Q factor is 158mm)
4- Spinner Blade (Q factor is 158mm)
5- Wattbike Atom (Q factor is 160mm)
5- Bodytone MT2 and WT1 (Q Factor is 160mm)
6- Schwinn IC PRO (Q factor is 168mm)
7- Peloton spin bike (Q factor is 170mm)
7- Schwinn AC PERFORMANCE PLUS (Q Factor is 170mm)
7- Schwinn AC SPORT (Q Factor is 170mm)
7- Life Fitness Lifecycle GX (Q Factor is 170mm)
8- Wattbike Pro/Treiner (Q Factor is 173mm)
8- Life fitness IC1 and IC2 (Q Factor is 173mm)
9- SUNNY ASUNA 6100 (Q Factor is 176mm)
10- SUNNY SF-B1805 (Q Factor is 182mm)
11- Diamondback Studio Cycle 1260Sc (Q Factor is 187mm)
12- Schwinn IC4/IC8 (Q factor is 190mm)
13- Keiser M3i (Q factor is 197mm)
14- SUNNY SF-B1709 (Q factor is 203mm)
15- SUNNY Evolution Pro SF-B1714 (Q factor is 216mm)
Q Factor: Is the distance between the outside of one crank arm to the outside of the opposite crank arm.
Why should you care?
I know from experience that the narrower the Q Factor, the closer my feet are to each other, the more comfortable I feel riding a bicycle.
This is especially true on a long ride or training.
long distance q factor spin bikes can damage your knees
Mate...... what’s your mission? One post is enough.
@@gplama my mission is inform the public the relation of Q factor and knees health :D
@@pedrodkuhn Can I suggest uploading your own video presenting this idea then? The cut and paste campaign comes across as spammy and really counters your quest.
@@gplama Its not a idea its a fact...peace and love
are these available in australia yet?
Ping FE Sports. I believe they are the importer in AU.
@@gplama just an update for you, FE no longer do stages.
cheers
Question, One turn of the crank equals how many turns on the flywheel motor?
I have no idea. One for Stages.
@@gplama When you get a chance can post it. Thanks
Hey Marcus, Jim from Stages here. The crank pulley to flywheel ratio is 4.92:1, so about 5 turns of the flywheel for each turn of the cranks.
@@JimStemper Thanks. The unit looks good I bet its the best out of the bunch of smart bikes. What the weight of the flywheel just for fun?
Builbing something has quick as this video interprets, this guy should work for F1 team. I also thought he said it would need two people to lift it??? so how come he could lift it on his own.
Because I ignored their warnings and had the strength of two men.... or... one llama.
Loved everything except the music.
It has to be free-to-use music or I’ll get booted from TH-cam.