As an Arlecchino and Clorinde haver, the short answer is yes. How about a long answer, you may ask? Here's a long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS.
I feel like every Genshin CC forget that Chlorinde got buffed indirectly as they are forgotting about the new Natlan shield mechanic. Chlorinde absolutely shreds those shields. With C1, she shreds them even faster with the clone procs. She is the best at getting rid of them, even better than the Natlan characters in this department. I also think in the future, this new elemental shield mechanic will be seen more often, even after leaving Natlan imo.
Idk how to play Clorinde, but Arle is still definitely good despite me having Mavuika R1. Abyss still has two sides, and using both helped me out in Imagenerium theater as well. I would say Mavuika has my vote for better, but both excel in their respective best scenarios. It doesn't super matter who is much better than who anyways since the meta is so inconsequential. You just play who you like more. Haven't tried out Mavuika in support mode much since I enjoy her dps form, but she can do it when I want it. Although pyro traveller is a thing so I just opt to use them which is also great since I'm a Lumine lover.
@@marcusaurelius4777 What they say is true, I even saw calcs suggesting that c0r1 mavuika is equal to c2r1 arle in terms of damage. Also, C0 mavuika doesnt need both citlali and xilonen to feel good. She feels great with just one of them, and she's still a good unit even if you have neither. Also worth mentioning that Arlecchino's best team is Bennett Xilonen Citlali, the same as Mavuikas. Mavuika being better doesn't make Arlecchino bad, she's still as strong as she was before. Powercreep is just a natural part of the game and you'll get more enjoyment when you accept that and just play the units you like
They are good characters. I lost my 50/50 on both Mavuika and Citlali, and I only got just Mavuika. So for the second half I tried to get Chevreuse and Lan Yan. I did not get one single copy of Chevreuse before getting 2 early Arlecchinos. So be really careful when pulling on this goddamn banner for Chevreuse.
12:30 I picked the scythe cause I have Zhongli and I'm good at dodging too so I didn't need that interruption res so much, and maan it's such a cool drip. I actually still have some time though and have a lot of pity already so I might get her C1 too? Who knows, fingers crossed.
Mavuika overworld exploration is META. I can't explain how much time saved gathering mats and completing dumb quests that require climbing. Stamina applies only in battle. This fact made me skip pulling for Arc.
I was pulling for four star cons and got a random early Keqing. So now at least Wriothesley is guaranteed unless i get an early. Wich i wouldnt mind. ( I got two weapons i could have got C6 Chevreusse already she is at C4 now).
I just wanted a lanyan just one, I got c2 tighnari and arlechino in 5 pulls I literally have 200 mora what am I supposed to do with her? I have no fucking poleeam for her but thanks hoyo ig
I got Arle c2 early while trying to catch for LanYan c2 and she's more comfortable to play. The 4* are too good to pass plus I wouldn't mind getting cons for Arle.
For Arlecchino vs Mavuika, Arle's Bond of Life-mechanic stresses me out. Especially since I am not the best at dodging, even with a shielder (learned that the hard way during one of the battle-events a while back). So Mavuika is a much more comfortable option for someone like me.
I don't think iansan is gonna be a dps, we already have 4 dps from natlan already I think iansan should be an off fielder/support And since she comes from a tribe all about strength, and we dont have any dedicated physical electro character, iansan can be perfect to fill this niche, while also being able to be just used as a scroll bot for overload, quicken etc
I'm not expecting Iansan to power creep Clorinde because I don't think she will be a DPS. Instead, i think she will be a support, and may actually be a 4* character. Another possible character, Varesa (possibly the Bovine gal Hoyo showed in the 5.3 Livestream) should be the *5 electro main DPS. However, I expect her to be a physical main DPS (as the Collective of Plenty's emphais on athleticism and fitness really screams physical to me). So in reality, it is Eula who will get powercrept, not Clorinde.
I doubt they make one of the heroes of natlan a 4 star character. not to mention we have had 2 4 star electro characters in less than a year with ororon basically being a support. its almost guaranteed that iansan is a 5 star and the bovine is a 4 star.
I think iansan will be a 5* physical buffer Call it niche but it means that she could still just be an electro scroll bot for quicken, overload, electrocharged etc
Even though i already pulled Mavuika and her weapon (i also pulled Xilonen & Citlali), i still pulled for Arle since i wanted her and i wanted to get Chev and her cons and wouldn't mind a Clorinde either (even though i have a C2R1 Raiden). Thankfully, i was able to come out with a C1 Arle and a C1 Clorinde and i just pulled C6 Chev and C6 Lan Yan earlier today (first time i ever pulled a new 4* and got their C6 on the same banner) this was my luckiest banner yet. Im like 66 pity now and considering trying for either C2 Arle or a C2 Clorinde before the banner ends and i start hard saving for Skirk.
This is just my subjective opinion. Objectively speaking, however, the character that you have the most fun playing will ALWAYS be your strongest character. Do what you want, but I hope my input was helpful for somebody. I have both characters, I've played since 1.0 and I've 36* Spiral Abyss since 1.1/1.2. I'm not looking to slander anyone's favorite character, but here is my input for those looking to decide which character to pull for this 5.3 second half as someone who's seen the rise and fall from meta of many DPSs: If you are an F2P player, Arlecchino is, in my opinion, one of the best five star pyro DPS, even with newer units like Mavuika who can power creep her at high investment. Her waveclear is great due to her wide range AOE attacks with large multipliers, and she's quick with dishing out damage. You won't have trouble clearing single bosses or a group of mobs with Arlecchino. I say this, having both Hu Tao and Mavuika (which are both great pyro DPSs in their own right), so I've seen my fair share of big numbers and know Arlecchino can keep up with the current leading DPS units. In my opinion, Arlecchino's strongest teams include vaporize and overload (if you have C6 Chevreuse). She utilizes popular supports like Xinqiu and Bennett, which can fit into many other teams. Vaporize will always be in the damage dealing meta, so you cannot go wrong with picking Arlecchino as an F2P/low spender. My personal favorite of the 2 is Clorinde because of her quick playstyle. She's also able to dish out her fair share of damage. HOWEVER, she is a luxury pick if you already have another electro DPS. Her multipliers aren't particularly high (compared to new DPSs like Mavuika and Mualani), and if you want clear abyss with her, you will have to put considerable investment in both her AND her teammates (constellations, artifacts, etc...). Clorinde is not a hypercarry like Raiden or Mavuika, she needs reliable teammates. If you want to go Overload Clorinde, you will need Cheuvreuse (who works best in overload team comps). If you want to go Aggravate Clorinde, you will need to build a Dendro character (whom are only viable in Dendro related reactions). In my opinion, the supports you need to build for Clorinde's best teams are focused in one reaction and cannot be all rounders like Xinqiu and Bennett.
no character is bennett reliant.. my bennett is lvl20, I don't use him at all.. nor xingqiu, or xiangling.. and I'm still hitting at least 800k with mavuika c0r1.. her best until now was 1.2m.. as for clorinde and arlecchino, I'm using both on my overload team (raiden, clorinde, arlecchino c2r1, chevreuse c6), and the damage is very good.. although I've been testing arlecchino with citlali lately (citlali c0r1, xilonen c2r1, arlecchino c2r1, kokomi) and it's hitting a nice ~150k.. and yes, both citlali and xilonen are using cinder city bc I'm not gonna farm a whole new no-def set for citlali..
Mavuika and Arlecchino are both equally powerful. Their differences lie in their versatility. At C0 Mavuika is needs a Natlan unit to perform while Arlecchino doesn't need anyone, and is more versatile than Mavuika. Only at C1 does Mavuika become more versatile.
@@puma21puma21 Well then, at C0, tell me a team that Mavuika can fit in where she can deal a shit ton of damage without needing another Natlan character.
@@chrono732ur right she needs another natlan character, but mavuika kachina furina benny even is better than any of arles best teams Get citlali or xilonen and the gap is way bigger Also like andad said, mavuika has much more QOL than arle and is a xiangling upgrade for most teams
@@chrono732 When you tell me a team Arlecchino can match her wtihout her core supports? Your point is stupid or you're purposely being stupid her whole banner makes a solid f2p team which is on video outperforming Arlecchino, check iwintolose. Kachina, Bennet and Dionna.
An Eminator of Death in Genshin (kinda) VS Mary Sue. I would take Arlechino Anyday. Even Invest in C6 as well if possible rather than getting Mavuika. And Im a Neuvillette Main saying that. which implies she will be mostly used in Abyss only.
Mavuika is dogwater without her best melt comp. Her donut attack looks goofy and is way too clunky. And you cannot pair her with C6 Chev. Arle any day of the week.
@arthurgeier2545 they use the same support cast what are you saying lol, bro u just mad cuz you invested in arle and got powercrept before her first rerun it's ok to vent
Mavuika is weaker than Arlecchino because Mavuika requires Citlali and Xilonen, ideally with sigs and constellation 2's with Bennett. WIthout all of that, she's a more niche, more clunky version of Arlecchino that is far, far more flexible in weapons, artifacts, team comps, and rotations. Do whatever you want, though.
Could you cope any harder? Every 5-star is "optimal" with other 5-star supports and their sig, and Arlecchino's sig arguably makes a bigger difference to her damage ceiling than most characters. Mauvika has already been shown to reach cap damage at C1R1. The difference in power is so vast that it's not even a competition when you include optimal teams. As for "Natlan" characters required, everyone gets Kachina and C6 Pyro Traveler (the best traveler) for free, plus more characters will come out from Natlan. Arlecchino will be dog $hi! too if you use sub-par team mates on her. As for Xilonen and Citlali, yeah, many accounts will pull for them because they're just universally good, like Kazuha, Furina, and Nahida, and they now make both Mavuika and Arlecchino's best teams, so team requirements are a wash. Oh and Arlecchino's NA advantage is wiped in this team because Mavuika with Citlali and Xilonen by builds burst so damn quickly, even with Bennett as the fourth, she needs 0 additional ER! That's one less stat to worry about on a universally great artifact domain, vs. Arlecchino's meh domain.
reasons to not to pull mauvika 1.mary sue character 2.needs xilonen (i dont have xilonen) 3.needs good claymore ( only one i have is overlord event claymore and r3 tidal shadow)
she doesn't need xilonen and she has more f2p weapon options than arle ☠️ Arles only f2p weapon option is white tassel 😭, mavuika has tidal shadow, mailed flower and even earthshaker
As an Arlecchino and Clorinde haver, the short answer is yes. How about a long answer, you may ask? Here's a long answer:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS.
"Still worth to pull?" The answer "YES" btw, definitely yes. More so for Arlecchino in my case as she's the only one I have and know best!
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I feel like every Genshin CC forget that Chlorinde got buffed indirectly as they are forgotting about the new Natlan shield mechanic.
Chlorinde absolutely shreds those shields. With C1, she shreds them even faster with the clone procs. She is the best at getting rid of them, even better than the Natlan characters in this department.
I also think in the future, this new elemental shield mechanic will be seen more often, even after leaving Natlan imo.
Idk how to play Clorinde, but Arle is still definitely good despite me having Mavuika R1. Abyss still has two sides, and using both helped me out in Imagenerium theater as well. I would say Mavuika has my vote for better, but both excel in their respective best scenarios. It doesn't super matter who is much better than who anyways since the meta is so inconsequential. You just play who you like more. Haven't tried out Mavuika in support mode much since I enjoy her dps form, but she can do it when I want it. Although pyro traveller is a thing so I just opt to use them which is also great since I'm a Lumine lover.
Great video. Especially Mavuika C0R0 being equivalent to C1R0 Arle is what made me stop pulling for her, I pulled till I got Lanyan C2.
She's not though. You are a liar. Mavuika is only that good because of a VERY specific team comp.
then explain iwintolose video @@marcusaurelius4777
@@marcusaurelius4777 What they say is true, I even saw calcs suggesting that c0r1 mavuika is equal to c2r1 arle in terms of damage. Also, C0 mavuika doesnt need both citlali and xilonen to feel good. She feels great with just one of them, and she's still a good unit even if you have neither. Also worth mentioning that Arlecchino's best team is Bennett Xilonen Citlali, the same as Mavuikas. Mavuika being better doesn't make Arlecchino bad, she's still as strong as she was before. Powercreep is just a natural part of the game and you'll get more enjoyment when you accept that and just play the units you like
I don't even want alre i got her at c2 but not a single lanyan 😢
As mobile player arle play style is very uncomfortable to play had enough to guarantee one of them and after trying both i chose clorinde
They are good characters. I lost my 50/50 on both Mavuika and Citlali, and I only got just Mavuika. So for the second half I tried to get Chevreuse and Lan Yan. I did not get one single copy of Chevreuse before getting 2 early Arlecchinos. So be really careful when pulling on this goddamn banner for Chevreuse.
Seems like a win to me having a c2 Arle.
@@giorgostrim3709 I didn't have Arle so I have C1 Arle. But for players who just want only one 4 star it's really frustrating
One Lan Yan, five bloody Rosarias, and a finally a single Chevreuse! I'm starting to think the 5-stars don't have equal odds of dropping.
I just got my c0 chevreuse in this banner ;) good thing i got jean so my wrio is guaranteed😊
pov: watching this after pulling both of them including their signature weapons-exactly right after the banner was released.
12:30 I picked the scythe cause I have Zhongli and I'm good at dodging too so I didn't need that interruption res so much, and maan it's such a cool drip. I actually still have some time though and have a lot of pity already so I might get her C1 too? Who knows, fingers crossed.
Best of analysis as always.
i have c2 nahida and furina for a cracked chlorinde set but I feel like that will just make her on par with other dps
Considering I somehow managed to win 3 50/50s in a row and got Arlecchino C2 in like 50 pulls… I have no choice but to main her now lmfao
What about in this scenario between C1R1 Arle Vs C0R1 Mavunika which is better?
i still use my clorinde so she's alright
Mavuika overworld exploration is META. I can't explain how much time saved gathering mats and completing dumb quests that require climbing. Stamina applies only in battle. This fact made me skip pulling for Arc.
I was pulling for four star cons and got a random early Keqing. So now at least Wriothesley is guaranteed unless i get an early. Wich i wouldnt mind. ( I got two weapons i could have got C6 Chevreusse already she is at C4 now).
I just wanted a lanyan just one, I got c2 tighnari and arlechino in 5 pulls I literally have 200 mora what am I supposed to do with her? I have no fucking poleeam for her but thanks hoyo ig
I’m Ngl I pulled CLORINDE anyways because I don’t rlly like arle play style
Same
I got Arle c2 early while trying to catch for LanYan c2 and she's more comfortable to play. The 4* are too good to pass plus I wouldn't mind getting cons for Arle.
For Arlecchino vs Mavuika, Arle's Bond of Life-mechanic stresses me out. Especially since I am not the best at dodging, even with a shielder (learned that the hard way during one of the battle-events a while back). So Mavuika is a much more comfortable option for someone like me.
Fatheeer! Please grant me your weapon!
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I don't think iansan is gonna be a dps, we already have 4 dps from natlan already I think iansan should be an off fielder/support
And since she comes from a tribe all about strength, and we dont have any dedicated physical electro character, iansan can be perfect to fill this niche, while also being able to be just used as a scroll bot for overload, quicken etc
I'm not expecting Iansan to power creep Clorinde because I don't think she will be a DPS. Instead, i think she will be a support, and may actually be a 4* character.
Another possible character, Varesa (possibly the Bovine gal Hoyo showed in the 5.3 Livestream) should be the *5 electro main DPS. However, I expect her to be a physical main DPS (as the Collective of Plenty's emphais on athleticism and fitness really screams physical to me).
So in reality, it is Eula who will get powercrept, not Clorinde.
I doubt they make one of the heroes of natlan a 4 star character. not to mention we have had 2 4 star electro characters in less than a year with ororon basically being a support. its almost guaranteed that iansan is a 5 star and the bovine is a 4 star.
@@juggernaut6666well ororon is also a hero name holder and he is 4 star so there are chances
I think iansan will be a 5* physical buffer
Call it niche but it means that she could still just be an electro scroll bot for quicken, overload, electrocharged etc
We still dont have scroll artifact wielder for quicken teams
It's obvious that she's going to be a 5★ overload dps
Even though i already pulled Mavuika and her weapon (i also pulled Xilonen & Citlali), i still pulled for Arle since i wanted her and i wanted to get Chev and her cons and wouldn't mind a Clorinde either (even though i have a C2R1 Raiden). Thankfully, i was able to come out with a C1 Arle and a C1 Clorinde and i just pulled C6 Chev and C6 Lan Yan earlier today (first time i ever pulled a new 4* and got their C6 on the same banner) this was my luckiest banner yet. Im like 66 pity now and considering trying for either C2 Arle or a C2 Clorinde before the banner ends and i start hard saving for Skirk.
grats!
This is just my subjective opinion. Objectively speaking, however, the character that you have the most fun playing will ALWAYS be your strongest character. Do what you want, but I hope my input was helpful for somebody.
I have both characters, I've played since 1.0 and I've 36* Spiral Abyss since 1.1/1.2. I'm not looking to slander anyone's favorite character, but here is my input for those looking to decide which character to pull for this 5.3 second half as someone who's seen the rise and fall from meta of many DPSs:
If you are an F2P player, Arlecchino is, in my opinion, one of the best five star pyro DPS, even with newer units like Mavuika who can power creep her at high investment. Her waveclear is great due to her wide range AOE attacks with large multipliers, and she's quick with dishing out damage. You won't have trouble clearing single bosses or a group of mobs with Arlecchino. I say this, having both Hu Tao and Mavuika (which are both great pyro DPSs in their own right), so I've seen my fair share of big numbers and know Arlecchino can keep up with the current leading DPS units. In my opinion, Arlecchino's strongest teams include vaporize and overload (if you have C6 Chevreuse). She utilizes popular supports like Xinqiu and Bennett, which can fit into many other teams. Vaporize will always be in the damage dealing meta, so you cannot go wrong with picking Arlecchino as an F2P/low spender.
My personal favorite of the 2 is Clorinde because of her quick playstyle. She's also able to dish out her fair share of damage. HOWEVER, she is a luxury pick if you already have another electro DPS. Her multipliers aren't particularly high (compared to new DPSs like Mavuika and Mualani), and if you want clear abyss with her, you will have to put considerable investment in both her AND her teammates (constellations, artifacts, etc...). Clorinde is not a hypercarry like Raiden or Mavuika, she needs reliable teammates. If you want to go Overload Clorinde, you will need Cheuvreuse (who works best in overload team comps). If you want to go Aggravate Clorinde, you will need to build a Dendro character (whom are only viable in Dendro related reactions). In my opinion, the supports you need to build for Clorinde's best teams are focused in one reaction and cannot be all rounders like Xinqiu and Bennett.
thanks for taking the time to share your input! i enjoy reading other people's thoughts 👍
no character is bennett reliant.. my bennett is lvl20, I don't use him at all.. nor xingqiu, or xiangling.. and I'm still hitting at least 800k with mavuika c0r1.. her best until now was 1.2m..
as for clorinde and arlecchino, I'm using both on my overload team (raiden, clorinde, arlecchino c2r1, chevreuse c6), and the damage is very good.. although I've been testing arlecchino with citlali lately (citlali c0r1, xilonen c2r1, arlecchino c2r1, kokomi) and it's hitting a nice ~150k.. and yes, both citlali and xilonen are using cinder city bc I'm not gonna farm a whole new no-def set for citlali..
Mavuika and Arlecchino are both equally powerful. Their differences lie in their versatility. At C0 Mavuika is needs a Natlan unit to perform while Arlecchino doesn't need anyone, and is more versatile than Mavuika. Only at C1 does Mavuika become more versatile.
Alright. I'm pulling for c6 mavuika.
they're not equal at all. Mavuika is significantly ahead at equal investment.
@@puma21puma21 Well then, at C0, tell me a team that Mavuika can fit in where she can deal a shit ton of damage without needing another Natlan character.
@@chrono732ur right she needs another natlan character, but mavuika kachina furina benny even is better than any of arles best teams
Get citlali or xilonen and the gap is way bigger
Also like andad said, mavuika has much more QOL than arle and is a xiangling upgrade for most teams
@@chrono732 When you tell me a team Arlecchino can match her wtihout her core supports? Your point is stupid or you're purposely being stupid her whole banner makes a solid f2p team which is on video outperforming Arlecchino, check iwintolose. Kachina, Bennet and Dionna.
An Eminator of Death in Genshin (kinda) VS Mary Sue.
I would take Arlechino Anyday. Even Invest in C6 as well if possible rather than getting Mavuika.
And Im a Neuvillette Main saying that. which implies she will be mostly used in Abyss only.
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Arley always worth to pull plus she good for newbies and obviously she f2p friendly same goes to clorinde all char fountain worth to pull
coro mav > arle c1r1
I prefer Arlecchino over Mavuika still simply because she's cool. Very cool.
Mavuika is dogwater without her best melt comp.
Her donut attack looks goofy and is way too clunky.
And you cannot pair her with C6 Chev.
Arle any day of the week.
Great lie, very fun
@chipinii2521 It is all true.
All hail the most restricted archon.
Cope
@@justomar4542 I am not coping.
Mavuika is hot garbage without her friendship power.
@arthurgeier2545 they use the same support cast what are you saying lol, bro u just mad cuz you invested in arle and got powercrept before her first rerun it's ok to vent
Mavuika is weaker than Arlecchino because Mavuika requires Citlali and Xilonen, ideally with sigs and constellation 2's with Bennett. WIthout all of that, she's a more niche, more clunky version of Arlecchino that is far, far more flexible in weapons, artifacts, team comps, and rotations. Do whatever you want, though.
shut up glazer
Thanks for the info. I'm ready to pull for mavuika. 👍
Could you cope any harder? Every 5-star is "optimal" with other 5-star supports and their sig, and Arlecchino's sig arguably makes a bigger difference to her damage ceiling than most characters. Mauvika has already been shown to reach cap damage at C1R1. The difference in power is so vast that it's not even a competition when you include optimal teams. As for "Natlan" characters required, everyone gets Kachina and C6 Pyro Traveler (the best traveler) for free, plus more characters will come out from Natlan. Arlecchino will be dog $hi! too if you use sub-par team mates on her. As for Xilonen and Citlali, yeah, many accounts will pull for them because they're just universally good, like Kazuha, Furina, and Nahida, and they now make both Mavuika and Arlecchino's best teams, so team requirements are a wash. Oh and Arlecchino's NA advantage is wiped in this team because Mavuika with Citlali and Xilonen by builds burst so damn quickly, even with Bennett as the fourth, she needs 0 additional ER! That's one less stat to worry about on a universally great artifact domain, vs. Arlecchino's meh domain.
Cope brother c0mavuika>c1 arle
More niche doesn't mean Mavuika is weaker
reasons to not to pull mauvika
1.mary sue character
2.needs xilonen (i dont have xilonen)
3.needs good claymore ( only one i have is overlord event claymore and r3 tidal shadow)
tidal shadow carries , what f2p option arlke has u coper ?
she doesn't need xilonen and she has more f2p weapon options than arle ☠️
Arles only f2p weapon option is white tassel 😭, mavuika has tidal shadow, mailed flower and even earthshaker
@ISMythix well i have jade spear soare so i m more inclined towards arlechino
If you're going to make excuses to hate her, at least make up some good ones.
@@chipinii2521 i always hated mary sue characters for no reason ; its just the way it is