Is the 2024 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Still the BEST Sports Sedan You Can Buy?
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the G in Quadrifoglio is silent
It's a Q not a G u know
@@pellehh4540he talkin about the foGlio…….
@@Scaalibur yes got that but the G is also silent... mistake corrected...we just call it a Cloverleaf
People in the comments: If you havent driven one, keep your opinions to yourselves. This car feels sooo good to drive. I will one day have one of my own.
Well this is the comments section. So maybe you shouldn’t get so salty ? This car is a giant pile of donkey manure. It’s a disgrace to mention the M3 in same sentence.
😂 the poor
can pick up a used one for under 40k now.
awesome car, regret selling mine. Overall driving experience is excellent! stats do not due it justice. People talk about reliability, i had ONE minor electrical issue.other than that, ive had more issues with my Honda.
good to drive.....but inside is poorly made.....@@mikesreviews3334
absolutely take an ALFA over Cadillac Mercedes or Bmw
Just picked up a 2023 QV in vulcano black. Loved my 2.0 Giulia and my current 2.0 Stelvio. Reliability has been excellent. I got the 2023 as I prefer the headlights and the analog gauges. Great car and a future collectors car.
Congratulations.
@@charlesclement383 thank you sir.
I bought a 2023 QV a couple of months ago in Rossa Etna red. I felt the same way about the analog gauges. I have my infotainment system set to not automatically turn on when the car is started so all you see is the tac and speedo and the climate control controls. Feels old school. Truly an amazing car. Enjoy
I've got a 2020 QV. Every other place I pull in to people ask me "what is that?". They know it's special when they see it but they have no idea what it is.
sidebar, best money I've spent on mine was getting some Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's. Damn near all of the grip of the Pirelli's, but they work when it's wet and cold.
How do you like the color.. I’m holding back becuaee not sure about that metallic black. Looks like glitter on sun.. I don’t know what to do.. can’t find red 23’
Traded in my Audi A4 for Alfa Romeo Giulia
Loved the Audi! Wait! I Do Not Miss the Audi at all. Alfa Romeo has a different driving feel to it. Much more fun and I get a lot of compliments too.
Go Alfa ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I’ve been an owner of the QV for over 2 years! Best car I’ve ever owned, dream to drive!
It at least beats the M3 in the looks department.
The BMW M3 stopped being the benchmark _long_ ago.
They [Bimmer's] are no longer a driver's car but rather a gamer's car. Drowning in a sea of digital wizardry. The same can be said about the majority of high-performance offerings on the market these days. Don't even get me started on the S650 Mustang...
So to answer your question: *_YES!_* The Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio is unequivocally _thee_ superior Sports Sedan currently available on the market.
Sultry Italian > Rigid German
Stay classy my friends.
The self-driving M3 is going to be true statement to technological advancement!🔥
Still the best sedan on earth.
People who know about cars know that Alfa Romeo is the creator inventor of the sports saloon!
This is the only review in the world where they criticized the Giulia qv steering.. which was developed by the same person that did the Ferrari 458 steering…
The steering reputation in the reviews came from the early cars. Then they had to modify the steering to resolve a vibration on full lock when maneuvering, as most people use these cars as daily. The early QVs were also lower, and difficult to deal as daily. Even the glass used for the windows was thinner and lighter! Eventually the car has been slightly migrated for creature comfort, versus pure performance and hard driving pleasure. I am super happy with my 2017 and she has also been super reliable! 🍀❤
@@AdrianoCisternino so you’re saying that earlier versions have better steering feel when driving?
@@manni8180 absolutely, it has been confirmed by most journos that have tried the early and later cars and all of them have said that they would have rather have put up with the parking maneuvering issues and to have retained the early car precise steering when driving.
@@AdrianoCisternino good to know…definitely I have look for earlier models when I decide to get me one.
2019 could be the sweetspot@@manni8180
Whats this guy on about the Steering is the best feature of this car!!!!
Mate, I didn't see the bloke hit one apex. Poor tradesman always blames his tools.
I love my QV because it exceeds expectations and feels original 💯
It doesn't have amazing steering?! That rear diffuser is functional and yours are some of the sloppiest gearshifts ever. Were you lifting? Or slow? Plus all that understeering... not the car's fault. Finally that carbon hood is standard, not an option!
I ❤️ my QV.
Best decision ever Selling the F82.
The M4 was no slouch either.
Stage 2 coming soon…
Don’t buy the m3 because you’ll have to look at it. BMW is trolling you
Upgrading my '23 Estrema to a '24 Quadrifoglio Carbonio Edition in 2 months. Very excited.
Awesome, how do you find your new machine? Happy to have made the change?
Alfa Romeo Giulia QV❤😍😎
Have a 2018, purchased new. She has been driven hard and been dead reliable since day 1. Absolutely love her.
I had a 2019 one and it was an amazing driving car. However, the reliability wasn’t a strong point. The vehicle would throw random misfire codes frequently and go into limp mode. It seemed to be related to the GDI system and intake valve carbon build up. I think the newer ones have port injection as well so hopefully they might be a little more reliable. I sold it but every day wish I hadn’t.
The turbo lag was also higher than I would like but once they lit she would take off like a rocket.
2020 and on have been much more reliable.
The Giulia wins easily against the F80 BMW 😉 Even the new M3 wins very narrowly at the Nürburgring against the Giulia - a very, very poor performance by BMW against Alfa Romeo, Alfa Romeo clearly ahead. The F80 is completely destroyed by the Giulia at the Nürburgring. Yes, the Giulia is a premium luxury car that saws the M3 to pieces.
I would love to test drive one as I'm interested in purchasing (QV Stelvio)-however, it seems that all the dealers in my area/region at least won't let you. So I'm awaiting a used one to come on the market near me, perhaps at a non AR dealer to sample and make my mind up. Also looking at the Jaguar F Pace SVR. I have test driven that and it's a beast.
wish they would have done another iteration of this car besides just the cosmetic changes. They could have blown the doors off of everyone. EV is a non starter
From what I’ve heard for the QVs is the brake pads for the steels are crappy and the factory tires aren’t good for all weather; for at least 19-early 23 models.
I can attest to the tires not being ideal, if it gets around 40℉ and dampy/drizzle you can lose traction easy. My Stelvio QV broke loose around a turn last week in those conditions, but torque vectoring and AWD caught itself within 1 second.
I am shocked, this is the first time I have heard ANY negative comments about the steering or handling from a reviewer. Usually the negatives have been about the brake by wire system, reliability, and/or infotainment gremlins.
Light steering sounds great on my elbows though😮😊
The G is silent in Quadrifoglio.
Said Quadrifoglio. The G is silent
I have enjoyed your discussion with Steve Dinan. I think he could do wonders with this one. She is so underrated, yet painfully beautiful.
Top Sport Sedan ❤️🍀❤️ Love It
in the past, Dodge plans to use the platform of the Giulia for their muscle cars & put the Hemi in it to better compete with the Mustang & the Camaro (they eventually decided not to do it)
A beautiful, performance car with style. Everyone has a M3 or C63 AMG & they're boring AF..the Alfa is a true petrol head's car
Was this close to buy one. But then sat in it…and dammit, if you have mutant long legs like me, you’re ef’d. I had to pull back the seat to the max…but then had the B pillar right to my left, creating this huge blind spot. Took back my deposit. I was really, really pissed at my strange body type.
The b-pillar and seating position are one of the things Top Gear pointed out. I've had my QV a year now and have gotten used to it at 6'4".
The only thing that concerns me is the ground clearance. Where I live we have lots of speed bumps so I'm torn between deciding between this and the Stelvio.
Interesting the reviewer nit piks the steering. I think he's in the minority as most reviewers pick the steering as a high point. Could be he was never able to get enough heat in the tires. The Pirelli P Zero Corsas are excellent tires at 50 degrees and above. Below 50 degrees you just can't get enough heat in them. My '19 Giulia Nring is among the best steering cars I've driven including lots of BMW's. But it's a handful when it's cold out .
The reason the steering is so light has nothing to do with engineers not doing their job , it has everything to do with the semi autonomous crash safety , nowadays steering is electric to accomodate this 'mandatory' safety feature . All cars steering now feels light and vauge vs the hydraulic system we grew up with . That said , its a hell of a car . Any car built first by 10 top engineers in a skunk works style development is going to be real unlike the bean counter cars handed to engineers on prozac to make it better .
Paul, it's "folio" vs "foglio"
While I’ve only test drove the Ti and not the QV, it was fun to drive. Something about the car felt good, def the cabin and size of the car (cars have gotten so big now) felt “sporty”. I also like the lack of latest tech, gadgets and other crap that cars some loaded with these days. Hoping I’ll be 🍀 and be able to get one at some point.
Then how about just say you're nit picking rather than making excuses for it? Can't have it both ways. Just my thought.
Do people really take their cars to the track, or just videographers? 🤔
No one does, and when they do all manufacturers void warranty, even when they say they won't
I own a 2018 and think it's an incredible machine. based on your video, you suck on the track.
I think its the most pure driving sports sedan on the planet. M3 comp kicks ass but more numb by comparison, M5 CS and CT5 blackwing are too heavy and the CT4’s V6 sucks
The Cadillacs absolutely are not too heavy nor does the 4 suck. You won’t find an auto enthusiast on TH-cam that speaks ill of the Blackwings. In fact, the overwhelming perspective is that the Blackwings are the top-tier of performance sedans; short of spending an obscene amount on a M5 CS.
@@krasnaludek298 I never said that the CT4 sucks, I said the V6 in it sucks. I also didn’t mean that the CT5 was too heavy therefore is not good, I mean its too heavy to be a better driving car than the Alfa
agree the CT4 VBW engine is not as exciting as the QV. But its still a great engine, definitely not average or bad.
A drivers car that will always leave a smile on your face.
I like the light steering man😮
Is that back door shut all the way??
At least learn how to pronounce it
Paul + sport car + HP = Paul please!!
Be wary that if you do get this car, you will keep looking at it even after 3 years of ownership. Occassionally random strangers will come up and ask you about the car.
My 3rd favorite sedan after the 5 & 4 Cadillac Blackwings. My biggest gripe is that the exhaust valves can only be opened in “performance” mode & that also cancels traction control. Should be able to actuate the valves like Cadillac, BMW, & MBZ.
Performance? There's Race, Dynamic, Natural and Advanced Efficiency. Newer models alow valves open on both Race and Dynamic. Dynamic has traction control.
Stop spreading lies.
Exhaust controller is an easy addition.
Excellent review but the G is silent. Think Italian.
"quad-dra- fole-yo", please....
Could not care less about its track performance, this is a streetcar and that's where it will be driven
The channel is called "The Fast Lane"... And Paul is a racecar driver.... Go home
No. He is right, this is a street car and not very good at that
@@markcoopers1930 do you know where a fast lane is found? On the street, dumbass
@@TokyoOlympics2020 And how would you know that?
Not sure, but if isn't the best it surely does frame the argument. Afla's problems have nothing to do with the capability, looks or driving pleasure of their cars. Never has been.
"QUAD-RO-FOB-LIO" 🤣 Really?
No Manual, no sale
it's getting real hard to find a manual nowadays
@@SomeReefer they are too fast for manuals.
It is the “Best you can BUY. As for “Best you can OWN,” it leaves a lot to be desired.
do you...own one?
Do you own one?
I do.
You don't know what you're talking about. Never had a problem...
Ask me how many problems I've had with my AMGs...
I would never want to own one and be on the hook for maintenance but that’s always been an impressive ride
All performance sedans have high maintenance costs.
I'm just curious.... if a car is under warranty.... how exactly are you "on the hook" for maintenance?
Flick your brain's switch to "on"
@@tigerpjm Depends on how you define "maintenance". Warranties don't cover wear items or oil changes.
@@rlsedition
Service intervals are 20,000km, so it's pretty well defined, I'd say...
Couldn’t help notice all the wheel weights!
Automotive rule of thumb, don't buy a Renault, Fiat or Alfa.
...if you're poor.
Typical Internet comment, with zero evidence, especially in the Giulia/Stelvio cases.
@@rlsedition Really? I guess that famous Italian and French auto build quality is why millions of American's buy them and not Hondas, Toyotas, Suburus and Mazda's instead. An since this is in fact on the internet, you got my there. As far as evidence? It's been proven over decades of real world experience. Fiat sold a few hundred cars in the US last year. There is your evidence.
@@mikelamberth9975 I wasn't commenting on Fiat; it's Alfa Romeo I was talking about. Nothing wrong with most Japanese cars if what you need is basic transportation, but the Italians put a lot of passion into everything they do, and I believe the current Giulia and Stelvio are good representatives of what they're about. That said, Alfa hasn't made a serious marketing effort in the US market - little/no advertising, few dealers and no attempt to convince potential buyers the current cars are as good as the competition (like a class-leading warranty). unfortunately for Stellantis/Alfa, sales success comes from more just making good cars - you need customer brand awareness, a convenient dealer body, an assurance of reliability and competitive pricing.
Look at what Hyundai/Kia is doing. They must have the highest company advertising expenditure per unit sold of all the major brands and they change their vehicles design/features constantly. Their 100k powertrain warranty helped their cause (most customer mistakenly thought it was for the entire car). Alfa couldn't hope to sell in similar high volumes given their market target (enthusiasts) and pricing (higher than average), but they could be doing a lot better with an improved marketing mix.
The rule is, do not buy US brick😂
If you need AWD for track days and fast laps you should stay home RWD rules. And please I take an E30M3 over this Alfa and the current M3/M4 any day.
OK, where do I buy a new E30M3?
Too bad princess you werent old enough or dint have a sugar daddy when they were new so you have one in the garage. A good rebuild of E30M3 2.5 S14 engine costs as much as a new M4 CS. You just have to buy a M2 or M2CS since its the closest you can get. Overweight and doesnt handle as well. Not as fun to drive. I own a M2CS and excercise it properely at drivers schools. I prefer one of my E30M3s.
@@fredmertz3837 Hey, smarta$$, I was plenty old enough to remember the E30M3; in fact, I was able to drive a GM competitive evaluation car at the Proving Grounds. I thought it was really crude, as the engine was really buzzy as you went through the RPM band (obviously no balance shafts as a race motor). Funny how homologation cars aren't always the best for street usage. And I'd take my Alfa Giulia over any BMW product.
E30M3 was built to race in the DTM. E30325i/is is far more streetable and the M20 engine is a better match for the street. I like old Alfas 1750Gtvs and 2000 GTVs and even mid 80's Alfas. Only issue is reliability. Alfas make MGs look like zToyota Corollas when it comes to reliability. Todays Alfas are badge engineered Fiats. How many track hours does your Alfa have? Myy M2CS has 31hrs with no issues. E30M3 is the last of the real Motorsports cars that was offered for sale and to be used on the public roads. What car was GM using to benchmark against a M3? ZR1s from the early 90's had lots of hp and tq but didnt hanlde as well and the brakes sucked. Camaros from the early 80's to ealy 90's for overweight garbage.
@@fredmertz3837 I beg to differ on "badge engineered Fiats". Maybe you haven't followed Alfa since the '80s, but the current Giulia/Stelvio were done by a team who first did Ferraris (Marchione had big plans for Alfa). That meant a solid body structure, short/long arm front suspension (not like your BMW's MacPherson struts), lots of aluminum in the body (50/50 wt distribution) and very quick/precise steering (something today's BMWs don't have). OBTW, I liked the BMW E36/46 M3s, but I HATE the looks of the current M3/M4.
No, I haven't had my Alfa on the track; my racing days were on a Ducati 750, with two amateur roadracing national championships to show for it.
outgunned, out dragged, out torqued by the M3. Wait till you need spare parts. My late dad used to own 4 Alfas in the 70's to late 80's tile switched to Honda and Toyota. Never gone back to Alfa again. Motoring journalists don't buy the cars they test and only live with teh test cars for days ,may be weeks Read CAR AND DRIVER 40,000 mile test. They said a "nightmare"
First, not matter how fast the current M3/M4 are, they're also butt ugly and way too heavy for performance sedans. Second, what Alfa did in the '70s-80s has nothing to do with the current Giulia/Stelvio cars. And, finally, I'm not arguing with that CarandDriver QV experience, but that was one car; current Alfas are as reliable as any of their German competition.
a) Car and driver is read by 1/2 billion people, b) JD power survey ranks Alfa below average reliability. a) and b) know more than you! BTW "no matter" instead of "not matter" .@@rlsedition
@@valentinorossi7771 I love your user name when I actually road raced motorcycles when I was younger; poseur much, Rossi? I've been reading C and D since they started publishing, so I know the magazine, but they tested one car, not thousands. Sorry I mistyped "no matter", but I'll match or exceed anything you can say. I'd bet you've never driven a current Alfa; all talk.
70s Giuia Super steering box made noise left me stranded. 2002: 156 selesspeed failed to operate.2 bad experience is enough to switch brand.JDpower test cars every year and know more than you.I don't need to bet against you. Have enough income. @@rlsedition
My son in law has one. I’ve driven it a few times but it’s still not quite as slick as the M3/M4, of which I’ve driven both. I wouldn’t own either. Just come with to many expensive problems.
As someone who owned an 18 f80 M3 and now an Alfa QV, you're wrong. The Alfa is by far the better car..
@@tmastodon8174 to each his own
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 Eh i think the M3 gets old to look at it. Everyone does the same mods.... You dont see a lot of QVs
@@tmastodon8174Oops. I replied to the wrong person! I LOVE the Alfa! Sorry!
Not as slick?! 😂 Way better to drive.
Still? It was never the best sports car to buy.
You've never seen one let alone driven one. Sit back down
@@WelcometofacsistubeDefinitely. Sit down and shut it.
Umm yes it was, none drove as good
It’s a nice unreliable Italian sports car. I wanted the Alfa gulia quad to do better in reliability and I do like the exhaust notes. I have driven my friends and find it impressive. I still prefer my 16 cayman gt4 as my sports driver car and won’t trade it in..like ever.
Paul, can you please teach the rest of the TFL crew to drive with their hands at 9:00 and 3:00 and not to rest their right hands on manual transmission shifters?
They can do whoever they want 🤦♂️
The G in Quadrifoglio is silent bro. 🤦🏻♂️