Love the Neo Creamback, one of my favourite speakers. Keeps the low end tight like a V30 but has the mids and upper of a greenback, very well balanced.
The comparison at 2:44 perfectly shows why I hate the Vintage 30. I play mostly high gain and can't stand that constant sizzle once you get gain going. I will never understand how the V30 became the default speaker in most high end cabs.
I bought a used Victory 212VH vertical 2x12 to pair with my VX100 head. Besides the G12H30 bringing the power rating down to 60w combined with the V30, I found the G12H30 harshly bright, especially with it being the top speaker while sitting close to the cab. So I replaced the G12H30 with a Neo Creamback, and I couldn't be happier! It pairs really nice with the V30 on the bottom. Power handling for the 2x12 is now 120w (plus lighter!), and the lower sensitivity of the Neo works well for being the top speaker, with the V30 below...
Wow, I didn’t realize how much the creambacks totally smoke the v30 in every shootout. I have a Sourmesh 1936 2x12 cab that had a pair of 65w creambacks that I swapped one out for a Fane Crescendo A and man, that cab sings. Been thinking of ditching the other creamback and putting my other crescendo in it or getting a mesa traditional 4x12 and putting the two crescendos in there with two white label g12t-75s. Was running either a 1980 JMP 2204 or a Mesa Mark IV, now I’ve got a Marshall Origin for gigging and can’t believe how much ground that amp covers and how close it gets to the clean sound of my vintage JMP!
Great comparison video! I love the sound of those creambacks. They're so full, smooth and warm sounding. The V30's have a really good sounding mid-range bite though. I think it's about time I get a Creamback/V30 cab...
I love that one too... we've had a lot of people say it sounds awful and fizzy lately although I don't hear that, I think it's a cracker. Thanks for watching.
or that. We've got a load of Hempback videos lined up, but right now we've been asked to not release them until the speaker is officially released. Stay tuned.
Another great video, thanks Zilla. As the proud opener of a Neo-loaded Laney VC-30, with an extension can earmarked for a speaker upgrade, this kind of answers a lot of my questions!
Hello :) I also am owner of a VC30 (with stock 70-80 speaker) and I'm looking for a swap. Do you remember what you didn't liked in your pair up VC30+Neo Creamback? To what you swapped eventually?
@@michagrabowski6753 Hey Michael. There’s nothing I don’t like about the pairing! Maybe you misunderstood as i was also talking about an extension cab that I’m looking to speaker-change as a complement to the Neo Creamback. But as to the amp itself, it’s win win. Sounds impeccable (I frequently get dudes coming up after shows to complement my tone, which is very simple and mostly down the VC30/Neo Creamback/sovtek valve pairing. Well, that and my ‘73 L6-S and MXR Sugar Drive). But you also lose weight AND gain a little space between the speaker and the valves. Do it, you won’t regret it.
@@williamthomas2893 Thanks for the feedback. I must admit, that I'm relieved, thanks :D The stock speaker's best years are behind it and I started looking for an alternative. Due to the design flaw of the amp (distance between back of the speaker and tube sockets) I turned to Celestion NEO speakers to avoid modifications. I hesitate between the Creamback and the V-type. The stock speaker, combined with my guitar, gives a lot of piercing, I would say even unpleasant treble frequencies, and it would be great to tame it down a bit. That is why I'm considering Creamback more. Which version of the VC30 do you have? 1x12 I suppose? The one with the tone knob or the effect level knob? What kind of guitar are you using? Would you be willing to share your standard EQ settings (more or less)?
@@michagrabowski6753 Mine is actually the very earliest model, when it was called the GC30 (confusing as they then made another amp called the GC30), from 1993/4 I believe. It had an HH speaker in stock. Tonally I love it. I don’t tend to use the bright switch and have bass at 2, mid at 5 and treble at 3. I like the spring reverb and use the effects loop for tremolo as I like the way it blends in. It’s a bloody loud amp, so I generally have it around 2.5 on the clean vol and use various boosts and drives to push the front end a bit. I sometimes use a Weber attenuator, which is a lot of fun as you can drive the clean channel into drive heaven. Burns through valves though.
The Neo-Creams always come across really well ! I use the Neo-Cream IRs to great effect ;-) More even than Greenback G12Ms, but in the same ballpark. I'm not a Metal guy so the V30s never won me over, too fizzy with gain IMO. FWIW
I was really wanting a neo creamback in a fender combo I have and was gonna wire it up so that I could run my crush 60 combo into it as well when I wanted to, but in the last few days I discover fanes ascension series and like several of those. Wish I could find a comparison of the neo to some of the fanes.
Hi Adam, it would hold up great, we use them all the time in the Fatbaby... it's a good way of bringing weight down in a larger cab but tonally it works really well.
@ZillaCabs amazing. Thanks for letting me know. Was close to pulling the trigger on getting on your site. Just need to figure out closed or open back 😆
Great video. Seem close enough to make the swap to NEO a nobrainer for me in my 53 lb combo. SUGGESTION: I'd love to see the same video compare the NEO Creamback with Jensen's NEO Tornado Classic. They're direct competitors and I don't believe anyone's does a good comparo.
I have a fender super sonic 22 combo and I am thinking about replacing the horrible stock speaker with one of these. It's a toss up though the v30 and the neo both sound really good
Thinking I may need to snag the Orange Amps ppc212V then swap a v30 out of my ppc212c and have the best of both worlds in the best of both worlds (open and closed cabs). Awesome video. Thanks for such helpful content!
Which of these two speakers would work best in a Marshall DSL40 for a 90’s Weezer crunch style of music. Or what would be the best speaker option for that style of music?
Both of them sound really great! I replaced two V30:s in a H&K 2x12 for a Neo Creamback and a Neo V-type, just out of curiosity! The two Neo-speakers combined sounds amazing! 👌👌
Hmm. A slight difference, but I reckon that there are better ways to spend your hard-earned dollars than chasing the ultimate tone by swapping out these two.
You'll notice quite a big difference between these two, switching speakers is often the low cost way of adapting a sound to be more suited to you, but its always up to the individual.
Cream back certainly more pleasing to the ear on its own, but v30s just do "it" in a mix with my Orange amps better. However, style of what you're playing will yield different results. Horses for courses, now...put em BOTH in a 2x12 and BOOOOM!
Well, really need to get rid of the fuzz tone . Cannot tell a thing about the purity of tone with fuzz tone..Fuzz tone is what you do when your amp stinks and you need to hide it.
Love the Neo Creamback, one of my favourite speakers. Keeps the low end tight like a V30 but has the mids and upper of a greenback, very well balanced.
Thanks Duncan, I'm the same with it, its a great speaker and a really cool mix too. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs now I’m wondering how one would sound with a V30 in my 2x12…. Only just put the greenbacks in it.🤣🤣🤣
The comparison at 2:44 perfectly shows why I hate the Vintage 30. I play mostly high gain and can't stand that constant sizzle once you get gain going. I will never understand how the V30 became the default speaker in most high end cabs.
I agreed. Love the v30. But it's hard to get rid of that fizz sizzle.
I don’t hear sizzle at all in my Mesa F30
@@zerosoma33 Mesa has a proprietary formula with celestion for theirs. It's not the same as the standard issue v30
because it cuts through and in a mix with post processing most of that isn't noticable
Thanks for watching. I think a lot of people like it for its cut in the mix.
Best demo/comparison of these two on TH-cam
I bought a used Victory 212VH vertical 2x12 to pair with my VX100 head. Besides the G12H30 bringing the power rating down to 60w combined with the V30, I found the G12H30 harshly bright, especially with it being the top speaker while sitting close to the cab. So I replaced the G12H30 with a Neo Creamback, and I couldn't be happier! It pairs really nice with the V30 on the bottom. Power handling for the 2x12 is now 120w (plus lighter!), and the lower sensitivity of the Neo works well for being the top speaker, with the V30 below...
V30’s in a Fatboy here!!! Awesome, awesome cabs!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
That's very kind of you mate.
Great, I'm waiting to hear it. I really like the 2 speakers mixed together.
In the future I will order Celestion V30 Vs Neo Creamback shootout 4x12.
That mix does sound great in a 4x12 for sure.
Wow, I didn’t realize how much the creambacks totally smoke the v30 in every shootout.
I have a Sourmesh 1936 2x12 cab that had a pair of 65w creambacks that I swapped one out for a Fane Crescendo A and man, that cab sings. Been thinking of ditching the other creamback and putting my other crescendo in it or getting a mesa traditional 4x12 and putting the two crescendos in there with two white label g12t-75s. Was running either a 1980 JMP 2204 or a Mesa Mark IV, now I’ve got a Marshall Origin for gigging and can’t believe how much ground that amp covers and how close it gets to the clean sound of my vintage JMP!
Creamback smokes the V30 for everything IMO
Great comparison video! I love the sound of those creambacks. They're so full, smooth and warm sounding. The V30's have a really good sounding mid-range bite though. I think it's about time I get a Creamback/V30 cab...
Creambacks slay! The V30 sounds like it has a head cold in comparison!
This sounds like the super well balanced mix of V30s and H75 Creambacks but more scooped in the low mids. More mix ready essentially
yup the Cream Neo for my ear. Happy the lighter tech responds nicely for clean and monster tones. Thanks.
I love that one too... we've had a lot of people say it sounds awful and fizzy lately although I don't hear that, I think it's a cracker. Thanks for watching.
My go-to combo in my oversized fatboy! I might ping you guys again in the nearest future as we all know, one cab is never near enough haha
haha that's what I like to hear. I do really like that mix, it is just really useful isn;t it. Thanks for watching.
Please do the Celestion Hempback video review! Btw, im a big fan of your channel!
or that. We've got a load of Hempback videos lined up, but right now we've been asked to not release them until the speaker is officially released. Stay tuned.
Another great video, thanks Zilla. As the proud opener of a Neo-loaded Laney VC-30, with an extension can earmarked for a speaker upgrade, this kind of answers a lot of my questions!
Hello :) I also am owner of a VC30 (with stock 70-80 speaker) and I'm looking for a swap. Do you remember what you didn't liked in your pair up VC30+Neo Creamback? To what you swapped eventually?
@@michagrabowski6753 Hey Michael. There’s nothing I don’t like about the pairing! Maybe you misunderstood as i was also talking about an extension cab that I’m looking to speaker-change as a complement to the Neo Creamback. But as to the amp itself, it’s win win. Sounds impeccable (I frequently get dudes coming up after shows to complement my tone, which is very simple and mostly down the VC30/Neo Creamback/sovtek valve pairing. Well, that and my ‘73 L6-S and MXR Sugar Drive). But you also lose weight AND gain a little space between the speaker and the valves. Do it, you won’t regret it.
@@williamthomas2893 Thanks for the feedback. I must admit, that I'm relieved, thanks :D The stock speaker's best years are behind it and I started looking for an alternative. Due to the design flaw of the amp (distance between back of the speaker and tube sockets) I turned to Celestion NEO speakers to avoid modifications. I hesitate between the Creamback and the V-type. The stock speaker, combined with my guitar, gives a lot of piercing, I would say even unpleasant treble frequencies, and it would be great to tame it down a bit. That is why I'm considering Creamback more.
Which version of the VC30 do you have? 1x12 I suppose? The one with the tone knob or the effect level knob? What kind of guitar are you using? Would you be willing to share your standard EQ settings (more or less)?
@@michagrabowski6753 Mine is actually the very earliest model, when it was called the GC30 (confusing as they then made another amp called the GC30), from 1993/4 I believe. It had an HH speaker in stock. Tonally I love it. I don’t tend to use the bright switch and have bass at 2, mid at 5 and treble at 3. I like the spring reverb and use the effects loop for tremolo as I like the way it blends in. It’s a bloody loud amp, so I generally have it around 2.5 on the clean vol and use various boosts and drives to push the front end a bit. I sometimes use a Weber attenuator, which is a lot of fun as you can drive the clean channel into drive heaven. Burns through valves though.
@@michagrabowski6753And yeah, it’s 1x12 with no extra tone or ‘voice’ control other than the BMT eq.
The Neo-Creams always come across really well ! I use the Neo-Cream IRs to great effect ;-) More even than Greenback G12Ms, but in the same ballpark. I'm not a Metal guy so the V30s never won me over, too fizzy with gain IMO. FWIW
The neo creamback is quite greenback like isn;t it... or at least shares some of the pleasant characteristics.
I was really wanting a neo creamback in a fender combo I have and was gonna wire it up so that I could run my crush 60 combo into it as well when I wanted to, but in the last few days I discover fanes ascension series and like several of those. Wish I could find a comparison of the neo to some of the fanes.
Please compare with Alnico too ! Neo is sounding cleaner, but too bright and missing basic lows for me...
@zillacabs how would a neo creamback hold up a sole 1x12 in a zilla fatbaby? Any downsides?
Hi Adam, it would hold up great, we use them all the time in the Fatbaby... it's a good way of bringing weight down in a larger cab but tonally it works really well.
@ZillaCabs amazing. Thanks for letting me know. Was close to pulling the trigger on getting on your site. Just need to figure out closed or open back 😆
Great video. Seem close enough to make the swap to NEO a nobrainer for me in my 53 lb combo. SUGGESTION: I'd love to see the same video compare the NEO Creamback with Jensen's NEO Tornado Classic. They're direct competitors and I don't believe anyone's does a good comparo.
Thanks Jimi, and that's a great suggestion. We need to get more Jensens in the studio to work with. Keep watching we'll get working on that.
love your guys channel. done right
Thanks mate, that's very kind of you... we'll be starting to put new content up again soon.
I have a fender super sonic 22 combo and I am thinking about replacing the horrible stock speaker with one of these. It's a toss up though the v30 and the neo both sound really good
Thinking I may need to snag the Orange Amps ppc212V then swap a v30 out of my ppc212c and have the best of both worlds in the best of both worlds (open and closed cabs). Awesome video. Thanks for such helpful content!
Where would you put each speaker in the vertical cab?
Which of these two speakers would work best in a Marshall DSL40 for a 90’s Weezer crunch style of music. Or what would be the best speaker option for that style of music?
Neos FTW a 212 with a neo and a greenback may be the way to go
what about mixing a v30 with a neo v type ? Have you tried ?
yeah that video is on its way, we have a few neo v type videos coming
In a stacked 1x12 cab situtation which speaker would be the best for top and bottom placement?
Have you tried Hesu Demon speaker? it's a modern take on the V30
which one would be better for an acdc tone ?
I'd probably say the neo cream but you'll get close with either.
Both of them sound really great! I replaced two V30:s in a H&K 2x12 for a Neo Creamback and a Neo V-type, just out of curiosity! The two Neo-speakers combined sounds amazing! 👌👌
Great call... yeah they do, we've got a video on that coming out soon. Thanks for the comment.
How do you think those two compare to each other?
neo creamback for sure :) dunno like v30
Thanks for sharing this awesome video ‼️. But I just couldn’t tell the difference. Certainly, the audience will never notice.
Hmm. A slight difference, but I reckon that there are better ways to spend your hard-earned dollars than chasing the ultimate tone by swapping out these two.
You'll notice quite a big difference between these two, switching speakers is often the low cost way of adapting a sound to be more suited to you, but its always up to the individual.
Creamback 10000x better.. No idea why people like v30.. sound so harsh and nasty. Creamback is smooth and natural
Cream back certainly more pleasing to the ear on its own, but v30s just do "it" in a mix with my Orange amps better. However, style of what you're playing will yield different results. Horses for courses, now...put em BOTH in a 2x12 and BOOOOM!
The Neo Creamback is as captivating as Paul's hair in these intros ;)
I have to admit, it does look like someone glued my bald head and rubbed me around a barber shop floor ;)
oh and you should see it now, I;ve got a few months on that badboy now.
@@ZillaCabs Oooh, please make a new video just for the hair! Also, it could be a new Zilla logo! :D
the v30 and neo mix sounds weird, I dont think they compliment each other well, the v30 and T75 sounds much better mixed
The neo creamback sounds less harsh than V30
It is a smoother speaker, that's why it is quite popular in a 1x12. Thanks for watching.
Vintage 30 sounds better. I own both, and I so wanted to like the neo creamback more because it would lighten my load, but v30 just sounds better.
Estás igual!
I'm going pooh.
Well, really need to get rid of the fuzz tone . Cannot tell a thing about the purity of tone with fuzz tone..Fuzz tone is what you do when your amp stinks and you need to hide it.
False.