10 Celestion speakers - Comparison (high gain)
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- 10 Celestion speakers - Comparison (high gain)
In order of appearance:
G12H-30 Anniversary Edition
G12H-75 Creamback
G12K-100
G12-50GL Lynchback
G12M-65 Creamback
Neo V-Type
G12T-75
Vintage 30
V-Type
A-Type
All speakers are 8 Ohm versions.
Guitars are recorded using Fishman Fluence Devin (bridge) pickup.
The lead melody is recorded using a Fishman Fluence Devin(bridge) + EMG 60A (neck).
Amp is EVH 5150 III (red channel).
All recordings have no post EQ, only subtle high pass and low pass filtering is applied.
0:00 intro
01:21 1x12 in the mix
06:46 1x12 guitars only
12:09 mesa OS in the mix
17:32 mesa OS guitars only
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17:34 - G12H
18:06 - G12H-75
18:38 - G12K - 100
19:11 - Lynchback
19:43 - G12M-65
20:16 - Neo V Type
20:48 - G12T-75
21:19 - V30
21:52 - V Type
22:25 - A Type
Thank you!
Thank you for not going cheap and using IR's no matter how great the IR's are I still have the greatest respect and admiration for honest hard work fitting each speaker and recording them in this fashion. thank you sir! great work and I liked the mix and your playing!
There is nothing like the real thing.
How would he have used IRs in what was a speaker test?
Thank you. It's insane the fact that youtubers do the job companies should do in the first place!
Haha thanks! and yes, I agree! On the other hand Celestion has some of their own tests as well on TH-cam, but I think a majority of TH-camrs actually did a much better job.
the Anniversary speakers are by far the most underrated speakers ever!
Thank you for all the hard work you put into this video. Excellent job playing, editing, ... helping! It really makes a difference hearing all the speakers back to back.
Great video. Thanks for making this video. I like the lynchback best
Great comparison and super helpful
Amazing demo. Thank you! Great recorded tone all around as well
Thanks!!
Great work, most views is deserved! There goes my Top 3: Lynchback, Creamback M & V-Type
Excellent video! Your tone and performance are awesome! I would be thrilled to use 80% of those tones. The G12t 75 and A Type are the only two exceptions. this was an unbelievably useful comparison. Thank you, sir.
Damn, you make all of them sound really great
Them creambacks are awesome, further making me want to get a couple. Fantastic vid with great playing!
Thanks! Definitely LOVE Creambacks too. I love the M-65 Creamback for high gain, I like the H-75 Creamback more for crunch to high gain, but has something more old school vibe to it. Then the Alnico Cream is a great allrounder with amazing cleans and a great not harsh sounding treble (great for high gain too) but its pricier than the other two. Then the Neo Creamback which is definitely good sounding too, but I prefer the other speakers of the Cream family just a bit more.
I’m a real sucker for the G12M-65! I also liked the V30 and the G12K-100 here, and i don’t usually like them
wow great comparison thanks for posting!
Thanks for watching!
Amazing comparison! I prefer the traditional Vintage 30 and the G12T, but lots of surprising results from the others. Really good stuff. By the way... Your cabinet has a better sounding then the Mesa.
Here I like the regular V-type, to me it's like a slightly more present M Creamback, or a creamier V30. I really like your comparisons!
its like halfway between a G12H30 and a G12M-65
the creambacks are the winner for me. Now I also liked others, but the creambacks take the harsh edge of the sound so gentle, I just like that. Where as others might sound like the audible representation of a rash, the creambacks are balanced and soothing. Thanks for the comparisson, man! Gotta get me some of those creambacks to blend in with my V30s and my T75s!
Really nice playing!
Good comparison. Love the riff.
Thank you for this mate. Last time I asked you to put the K100 into context and here it is.
Considerations from a guitar tone nerd recorder: the 30th Anniversary is one excellent recording speaker. It combines the woody voicing of a vintage speaker with the 3D high fidelity of a modern one with the mids just slightly scooped. The fidelity brings a sparkle with it that might be a bit rough and bright in the room, but translates very well into the mic. It's probably my favourite here. The Mesa V30 is the most balanced, with more mids and a more modern voicing compared to the 30th Anniversary. The Creamback M65 feels like a warmer Mesa V30, it might sound the best in the room.
The K100 and the T75 also share similarities, especially in the top end texture, the K100 fuller in the mids (more modern) than the more scooped T75. They do the 80s Metal thing like nothing else. The Creamback H75 seems very strong in the mids, there's something almost overwhelming going on there. It falls into the"live with a band mix" speaker category in the same way the V30 does, I reckon. The V-Type feels a bit like a mix of the 30th Anniversary and the V30, which is good, but with a less detailed top end, making it sound a tad too generic. My two cents.
Cheers, mate.
That all sound the same to me. Outstanding video ‼️
Great comparison video, to be even better and way lengthier, adding clean and crunch would be great. I have the Vintage 30 and K100 but G12H 30 is my favourite
Thanks! I have video’s for seperate speakers with clean crunch and high gain for all the speakers you mentioned. Just check my uploads.
Great job! Thank you!
You're welcome!
Great comparison
Great comparison . It would be great if someday someone could do a comparison like this with vocals mixed in bc that makes a huge difference.
What sounds like a big full sound all of a sudden is competing with vocals in some scenarios .
Often mixers take big thick sounds and end up treble boosting the sound and lowering it in the mix, so what you may be hearing is a very bright sound that would lose in a comparison
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. In all honesty I don't agree with what you're saying here. I mixed a few albums and in every situation I will not change the sound of any instrumentation because of vocals being added. Especially not boosting any treble. If everything is at its proper place, you should be able to add/delete certain instruments/vocals/whatever in a mix without really getting into trouble.
Late to the party, but my 2 cents. Loved the G12H, the Lynchback, and the V30 with your EVH. Sounded great. When in the Mesa cab, same but damn that bass resonated, didn't it? There is a reason they are so expensive. They are just that good. Hard to tell which of those three I thought were the best, but something about that 80's gain I just love.
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Really surprised by this. The V and A types were better than I thought they would be. With the V type stock in some amps, I guess it has a stigma of being cheap. They hung with the others and sound fantastic.
I'm not that much into the A-Type because it doesn't have that much treble and the V-Type also didn't come out as well in the past as it did in this video. I guess it also depends a bit on finding a sweet spot (mic placement + amp eq) for recording them.
Fantastic! I have been searching for a high gain comparison. Interesting that my likes and dislikes here match my real world experience (at least with the ones I own) My favorite here was the g12h 30 anniversary, same as what is in my primary cab, next was the gt-75, same as my real cabs and did not like the V30s, same way I don't like my v30 4x12 cab. Im a hard core thrash metal guy and don't like the v30s, go figure. I am going to relisten to see what my third favorite is and do a cab of those for variety. (replace the gt-75s in a marshall 4x12, I have a few)
Those two were my picks in this video too..
A bit late on this, but really great comparison! I really, really disliked the A type which i didn't know, as well as the T75s which I know all too well ;). Confirms I did the right thing in removing them from my Marshall 1960A cab. I replaced them with 2 Vintage 30s and two H75 Creambacks in X pattern. Usually not a fan of V30s on their own but they really pair very well with H75 Creambacks. The Creambacks are the best of all worlds for me. Defined with great barky midrange that is not grating and just enough highs for my taste. With my Strat they sound fantastic as it does here. I prefer the H75 to the M myself but both are great speakers.
Another speaker I didn't know much about is the V type. That sounded good to me here as well. They wouldn't be my go to but surprising to me with tons of personality. The Neo version of the V type seems to have all the worst qualities of V30s though, x10! ;) The T75s, unsurprisingly for me had the least personality. Just a pretty mediocre speaker overall. In my cab with the same guitars and amps, they had very harsh highs and weird high mids yet they are way too scooped with woolly muddy lows. Not sure why Marshall used them so much through the years.
I've used your 1960A cab too in the past and can confirm. That cab sounds quite harsh with those speakers. Sounds like a lovely X pattern you got there! The V-Type is definitely not bad but I prefer a lot of other speakers over it. The V-type, although you can't hear it in this comparison is also a very mid scooped speaker. I really have to turn the mids up a lot compared to other speakers when I'm using this one. The K-100s are quite similar to T75s as well soundwise and physical, with such a big dustcap, that's probably why they have that typical high treble, but mid scooped sound. Also not my cup of tea in the room, but with a more 'mic on the side' placement for recording they're not bad either.
Couple surprises for me here. Biggest one was probably how I would rate the standard V Type to be one of my favorites while also thinking the neo v type was the worst one. The neo just had this bad fizzy frequency I did not like the sound of. Lynchback was kinda neat, A type definitely different...
wow. thank you!! I'd take the Lynch and CreambackH into a 212 cab.
Damn, I want a Lynchback. Thanks!
G12H is a massively underrated speaker
Great. Interestingly the the g12K-100 sound Justice-for-all-ish. And the came V30! And wow. You can say what you want. Thats the sound.
Honestly what i was thinking about the Justice tone
I was second-guessing the G12Ks in my Peavey 4x12, but they sound close enough to the V30s that I'm not skeptical anymore. Some of the others sound kind of compressed which was surprising. The creamback and lynchback also sounded good to me.
K100's don't sound anything like V30's. The closest are T75's. Listen at the end of the video, the treble of the T75 and K100 is totally different than V30. If you A/B compare other speakers such as the creambacks, they're a lot closer to V30s. But hey, nothing wrong with K100's.
Big thanks for the great comparison!
I'd like to ask - can you share a drawing of your custom cabinet, please? I really liked how it sounds! :)
Thanks! Unfortunately I don't have any drawings or dimensions on paper. I'm pretty sure I made it of birch plywood. I didn't do anything fancy at all. Just made it to the dimensions I liked. The only thing I don't like is that I can't put an amp on this cab. If I could turn back time I would make a 2x12 instead.
particularly in 1x12 that is my daily situation, i like the most g12t-75 and lynchback
Lynchback always sounds the best! Warm, balanced, 3d and full sounding. It's a shame it was not made in 16ohm versions to combine with other speakers i have. G12T-75 sounds good too.
It's especially a shame that the Lynchback is discontinued :(
@@ThevonMusic sad! :/
The G12H anniversary is my favorite going to go get it now!!!
Thanks for the video comparisons, it really helped me decide what one I wanted.
@@DownDeepFishing Glad I could help! The G12H Anniversary is a great choice.
it's insane, but listening in my control room I prefer your 1x12 cab on almost all these speakers in the mix.
Killer tones.
in the mix, the 1x12 sound better. the most present are the G12H30 anniversary, the V Type Neo and Lynch. Bass is a little loud, so it's hard to really compare
Honestly all sound pretty good here! lol. I just don't really like the A type which is no longer a surprise to me. Try to get some G12-35XC if you can. They were a limited run but they sound really good.
Thanks, will be tough to find one, but I'll see what I can do!
Great video, thank you. The Neo V-Type seems to sound really good in your full video of it, but doesn't fare as well in this video compared to the Vintage 30. Do you find the Neo V type are a bit too bright compared to Vintage 30s?
I think the Neo V and normal V-Type are not bad, but I prefer some other speakers more. It's indeed quite bright sounding, the Neo V which I personally also don't like that much.
@@ThevonMusic Thanks for your response!
Just getting around to listening to this speaker shootout. I had a V30 & G12H30 (16ohm versions) mix in my Avatar 2x12 and although i like them each individually, i wasnt a huge fan of them paired together. I currently have a pair of Eminence V1216's which are very high wattage, 120 Watts a piece to be exact! I'm looking for speakers that are more efficient at lower volumes. You have me wanting a pair of G12M65 Creambacks after listening! They sounded thick yet tight and without that ear grating treble presence that some Celestions have. Are there any negatives in your opinion of the M65's? Great job on the video, and thanks for taking the time to put it together!
I think the M65's are a great option and probably one of the best speakers out there all around. On the other hand, If I owned a 2x12 I'd never buy two similar speakers, I actually think mixing is a great idea, especially because if you want to record your cab, you have more options available. But that's just a personal choice ofcourse.
G12T-75 for me
I really like this comparison, did you use a reamp box for this test, or were these all different performances?
Thanks! I always reamp to have the fairest comparison.
G12M-65 in that DIY 1x12" cabinet sounded best and most balanced to me. I think I've found my new favorite speaker element. :)
Cool that you've chosen for a speaker in my own made cab ;-) the M-65 is definitely a great choice!
@@ThevonMusic Well your own cab just sounds a lot more balanced and open. :) Great work. :)
70th anniversary cuts best in a mix, sounds full. thanks
I’m not from a metal background, but FWIW I thought the H75 did the job best, both isolated and in the mix. I thought the G12H30, Vintage 30 and ceramic V-Type sounded good in the mix, but not so much isolated. G12M-65 is a great rock/blues speaker, but farted out way too much in this metal context. G12T-75, G12K-100, and Neodymium V-Type all sounded horrible imo. Thanks for the video, very useful!
Great video ! What would you recommend in a 212 configuration to go alongside a V30 ?
Personally I like the Creamback 75 with it. But I've only tried 3 other options. The Creamback 75 won though.
Creamback 65. More low end and less mids than the V30. They pair perfectly
Like mentioned by this people: Creambacks, both M-65 and H-75 or the H-30 Anniversary or a V-Type all go well with a V-30. Lynchbacks are awesome too, but not for sale anymore.
Can you tell if your speakers are 8 or 16 ohm versions? I'm asking, becouse I heard, that 16 ohm speakers sound brighter than 8 ohm versions. Thanks for the comparsion.
All 8 ohm. I did some research on that and I think 16 ohm versions usually sound a little bit brighter/less bass heavy, so you're right about that.
8:56 65 cream
7:18 75 cream
18:05 mesa 75 cream
19:43 mesa 65 cream
21:20 v30 mesa
where do you position your sm57 (cap edge and close to the cloth? )
Most of the time between center and edge. Few cm's away from cloth.
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Lynchbacks sound like they'd be perfect for going for Death's Human era tone.
What was your microphone setup for this?
I can't remember, but probably a single SM57
Do you know what year your V30 is?
It's from my Mesa OS cab bought in 2011.
I like the T75s the most, creambacks second , the G12 70th third, not sure why people like vintage 30s so much I find them too nasally
I like the G12H30 and V30 the best.
Classic Lead need more consideration tho
9:29 neo v type
11:05 v type
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6:47 9:28 10:33 11:06
G12T-75's bro. All day
thats funny how its all taste, i hate so much theses g12t 75 lol
@@matrixmodulator I thought they sounded great. I know many people don't really like them. Like you said, it's all to taste bruh
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I need clean comparisons. This distorted stuff does me no good
Then why did you click this video? It's in the title.
it is nessesery to write year when it made
Great comparison. There were no bad speakers here, just different tones. They all sounded very good really. I was a bit surprised at how even and composed the V30 was, pleasant mids. Maybe it works really well with the EVH 5150.
Thanks, I try to search for an even sound with all speakers. The right amount of bass-mid-treble + mic placement is the thing I spend most time on. (+/- 1 hour per speaker)
The EVH cabs are using G12H30s