Thank you for the interesting comparison. At first, I thought I would choose Neo version, but now it is M or H. I still don't know. I have to listen more times. Once again thank you 0:00 Les Paul 3:50 V30 vs Creamback H75 6:30 Creamback H75 vs Creamback M65 vs Neo 8:37 Neo vs M65 10:08 Neo vs M65 ( single notes ) 13:00 Noe vs H75 14:25 Creamback H75 vs Creamback M65 16:20 Neo vs M65 ( different pickup ) Small change - Strat 20:30 Neo vs M65 22:20 M65 vs Creamback H75 vs Neo Small change - Gretsch 24:30 M65 vs H75 vs Neo 28:18 Neo vs M65
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Very interesting test. Thank you for sharing! I’m vert happy with the sound I get from my Reformer with the Neo Creamback and this configuration is sooooo light.
I never liked how the Neo Cream sounded in any test I heard before, this is the first one where I actually appreciated it, wow! On the other hand, I always liked how the Creamback H sounded, but not so much in this test (despite not disliking it at all). So my guess would be the cab is definitely playing a huge role with this speaker series. That being said, I'm partial towards the G12M-65, that's my kind of sound (Greenback-ish), M or L (not frequent in the Celestion catalogue any more) magnets always show bigger harmonic content in the mids, and I always feel at home when playing M magnets since they're easier on the hand. One thing you could try are different amp EQ settings on the same speaker (your stock V30?). Here you're sharing the EQ, but that's rarely the ideal way of getting the best of any speaker. It would allow us to see how the cab actually reacts to increased bass, increased highs, and so on.
The thing you did not do was add more volume and gain to the Neo Creamback. The reason for the Neo Creamback are due to more crisp and cleaner sound. So it take higher gain much much better. It take the "flub" out.
Very interesting comparison! To me, the Neo is too hi-fi sounding and a bit lifeless compared to the others. Certainly wouldn’t describe it as a rich sounding speaker.
Thanks a bunch for making this!! I own 3 different g12Ms, and i love them! Got a question for you, Are these speakers all properly broken in?? I know from experience that the speaker really comes to life and develops as you play them in
It’s very close, I’ll have to check later on my electrostats to really hear the nuances. Thomas Blug says the neo’s aren’t the same but he’s still hopeful about a neo driver that hits the sweet spot. Thanks for doing the tests. Love this channel 🤘🏽
All speakers have their own sweet spot and sound good to me. The M65 is something I would choose for rhythm sounds, but it has not the more sparkling and shimmering tones like the cream 75. Both together would be a good combination. Also the neo cream has a more round and a les powerful sound. Instead of buying expensive effect pedals it seems more sensible to buy different cabinets with different speakers with sounds that fits to the music styles and own preferences.... 🤔 It seems that I have to buy some new cabinets.😉🤘
These guitar Neos sound brighter and thinner to me. Im a bass player I own a pair of TWO10s.. Love my bass cabs.. Many compliments . Wonder what a High powered CERAMIC 12" BB3 would sound like! ( who cares about the weight)
If we made a ceramic version of the BB3 we’d have to accept a combination of lower sensitivity, lower power handing and reduced accuracy. The much more intense magnetic field from a neo magnet and the conductivity of the magnet makes it possible to get more flux through the coil within a smaller space whilst also reducing distortion.
The 1x12 neo vs the other speakers sounds more like a 4x12 in comparison to a 1x12 (when using identical speakers.) The mids just jump out in the 1x12 cab. A 4x12 cab loses some mids / upper mids but has more top end sizzle, bottom end, and lower mids.. just like this neo vs the other speakers here. I’m thinking the neo is the best 1x12 compromise to sound closer to a 4x12, but may be too “scooped” in a 4x12 arrangement.
This is a very interesting observation! According to the science a 4x12 has more lows because of acoustic coupling at lower frequencies. It’ll also lose some midrange due to destructive interference, especially off-axis where the size of the array is too large vs the higher frequencies’ wavelengths. And the extra highs from a 4x12” you’ve perceived may be because of the relative lack of midrange or maybe the height of the cab vs a 1x12” so you’re less far off-axis. This makes me think that the Redback (which isn’t in this video) is definitely a killer 4x12” replacement with its 150W power handing, and bigger lows and brighter highs vs the Creambacks.
Excellent comparisson guys, thanks. So in a way the neo would be more different than ceramic when compared to the V30 ... and therefore more suited to pair with the V30 as it fills/gives more of the missing frequencies in the V30? Although they are all "softer" than the V30. Also as you mentioned, the neo reacts differently to distortion. Although the M65 also sounds warmer then the neo ... and now I don't know which one to buy to pair with my V30 in a 2x12 cab. So after all mentioned above H75 is nearest to V30 ... would you agree?
V30 is a solid option, although I'd also recommend checking out the Seventy 80 - someone just enquired in the comments about the best enclosure for them and it's left us wondering why we haven't used them in our cabs more!
@@BarefacedAudio are you suggesting a Seventy 80 paired with V30 or? My issue is finding a speaker to pair with my existing V30? Maybe I was nit clear enough about that in the first comment.
Not for their guitar speakers - but T/S parameters are based around an assumption that the speaker will be used predominantly within its linear range, so small signal (1W) behaviour will closely relate to high power behaviour. That isn’t the case with most guitar speakers due to the minimal voice coil overhang (electromagnetic distortion therefore happening at relatively low power), flexible cones and stiff non-linear suspension.
Do you guys have a 2x12" cab engineered to work best with a G12p-80 Seventy80? Are your cabs specifically tuned and voiced for each specific speaker or one-size-fits-all?
One-size-fits(almost)-all! If someone is using lower tunings or a guitar with a higher string count then we would recommend specific drivers and a low-tuning customisation for the cab itself. We haven't explored the the Seventy 80 much, but in terms of frequency response it's very similar to our stock driver (V30)... so a G12P-80 and a V30 in either a Radical: barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/radical-212h Or an Uprising: barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/uprising-212v Upsizing: barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/upsizing-212-1215-215
I'm not sure if I've made a video about this but if I haven't then I will! When I started designing what became the AVD cabs I was used to designing hi-fi speakers, bass cabs and PA cabs. And guitar speakers don't behave like them because they spend much of their life operating non-linearly, so small signal T/S parameters go out of the window. The first four production AVD cabs were designed and tested with two specific 10" speakers and two specific 12"s. Then people started asking about having different drivers in them and so we started experimenting with more - and everything we tried just worked. And that's continued to be the case. As you head into lower tunings and/or start wanting to move more air at lower frequencies (really LOUD chugging) then the cab tuning and driver choice becomes more important but still not to the degree I expected. So if you like the Seventy 80 then you can absolutely have them in an Uprising or Radical or Upsizing and expect them to sound better than ever before. They're not on our site as a custom choice but we can certainly add them, or you can go unloaded if you already have some to rehome.
@@adamwatson6916 that depends on the rig bro. Vintage 30s sound like ass on my rig. They just have a different frequency response. And i already own 70/80's and they work for my sound... that would be why i asked.
I came for the Cream ones but I was rather impressed with the V30, it can be heard so clearly in the room
Thank you for the interesting comparison. At first, I thought I would choose Neo version, but now it is M or H. I still don't know. I have to listen more times. Once again thank you
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Les Paul
3:50 V30 vs Creamback H75
6:30 Creamback H75 vs Creamback M65 vs Neo
8:37 Neo vs M65
10:08 Neo vs M65 ( single notes )
13:00 Noe vs H75
14:25 Creamback H75 vs Creamback M65
16:20 Neo vs M65 ( different pickup )
Small change - Strat
20:30 Neo vs M65
22:20 M65 vs Creamback H75 vs Neo
Small change - Gretsch
24:30 M65 vs H75 vs Neo
28:18 Neo vs M65
The sign telling what´s sounding is the key for this kind of videos❤
Very interesting test. Thank you for sharing! I’m vert happy with the sound I get from my Reformer with the Neo Creamback and this configuration is sooooo light.
I never liked how the Neo Cream sounded in any test I heard before, this is the first one where I actually appreciated it, wow! On the other hand, I always liked how the Creamback H sounded, but not so much in this test (despite not disliking it at all). So my guess would be the cab is definitely playing a huge role with this speaker series.
That being said, I'm partial towards the G12M-65, that's my kind of sound (Greenback-ish), M or L (not frequent in the Celestion catalogue any more) magnets always show bigger harmonic content in the mids, and I always feel at home when playing M magnets since they're easier on the hand.
One thing you could try are different amp EQ settings on the same speaker (your stock V30?). Here you're sharing the EQ, but that's rarely the ideal way of getting the best of any speaker. It would allow us to see how the cab actually reacts to increased bass, increased highs, and so on.
The thing you did not do was add more volume and gain to the Neo Creamback. The reason for the Neo Creamback are due to more crisp and cleaner sound. So it take higher gain much much better. It take the "flub" out.
Very interesting comparison! To me, the Neo is too hi-fi sounding and a bit lifeless compared to the others. Certainly wouldn’t describe it as a rich sounding speaker.
Thanks a bunch for making this!! I own 3 different g12Ms, and i love them! Got a question for you, Are these speakers all properly broken in?? I know from experience that the speaker really comes to life and develops as you play them in
I liked the v30 for chording and rhythm and the H75 for single note stuff
Great video . I have a neo in my pro reverb. I get so many tone complaints. I’ve now ordered one for louis electric tornado. Can’t wait
Complaints, or do you mean compliments??
It’s very close, I’ll have to check later on my electrostats to really hear the nuances.
Thomas Blug says the neo’s aren’t the same but he’s still hopeful about a neo driver that hits the sweet spot.
Thanks for doing the tests.
Love this channel 🤘🏽
Depending on the material being played, and probably the amp settings, the Neo sounds a little thin, spare…or cleaner, with more resolution.
All speakers have their own sweet spot and sound good to me. The M65 is something I would choose for rhythm sounds, but it has not the more sparkling and shimmering tones like the cream 75. Both together would be a good combination. Also the neo cream has a more round and a les powerful sound. Instead of buying expensive effect pedals it seems more sensible to buy different cabinets with different speakers with sounds that fits to the music styles and own preferences.... 🤔 It seems that I have to buy some new cabinets.😉🤘
These guitar Neos sound brighter and thinner to me.
Im a bass player I own a pair of TWO10s.. Love my bass cabs.. Many compliments .
Wonder what a High powered CERAMIC 12" BB3 would sound like! ( who cares about the weight)
If we made a ceramic version of the BB3 we’d have to accept a combination of lower sensitivity, lower power handing and reduced accuracy. The much more intense magnetic field from a neo magnet and the conductivity of the magnet makes it possible to get more flux through the coil within a smaller space whilst also reducing distortion.
@@BarefacedAudio Gotcha .. Cool Thank you.. LOVE my TWO10s x 2
Hendrix played the Isle of Wight festival in August 1970! So his last gig wasn’t 1st of January.
My drummer corrected me (well, Lewie) on that about two hours later!
...and I believe he used H30 (55hz) Greenbacks in his Marshall cabs and not Creambacks but I could be wrong.
The 1x12 neo vs the other speakers sounds more like a 4x12 in comparison to a 1x12 (when using identical speakers.) The mids just jump out in the 1x12 cab. A 4x12 cab loses some mids / upper mids but has more top end sizzle, bottom end, and lower mids.. just like this neo vs the other speakers here. I’m thinking the neo is the best 1x12 compromise to sound closer to a 4x12, but may be too “scooped” in a 4x12 arrangement.
This is a very interesting observation! According to the science a 4x12 has more lows because of acoustic coupling at lower frequencies. It’ll also lose some midrange due to destructive interference, especially off-axis where the size of the array is too large vs the higher frequencies’ wavelengths. And the extra highs from a 4x12” you’ve perceived may be because of the relative lack of midrange or maybe the height of the cab vs a 1x12” so you’re less far off-axis. This makes me think that the Redback (which isn’t in this video) is definitely a killer 4x12” replacement with its 150W power handing, and bigger lows and brighter highs vs the Creambacks.
Excellent comparisson guys, thanks. So in a way the neo would be more different than ceramic when compared to the V30 ... and therefore more suited to pair with the V30 as it fills/gives more of the missing frequencies in the V30? Although they are all "softer" than the V30. Also as you mentioned, the neo reacts differently to distortion. Although the M65 also sounds warmer then the neo ... and now I don't know which one to buy to pair with my V30 in a 2x12 cab. So after all mentioned above H75 is nearest to V30 ... would you agree?
V30 is a solid option, although I'd also recommend checking out the Seventy 80 - someone just enquired in the comments about the best enclosure for them and it's left us wondering why we haven't used them in our cabs more!
@@BarefacedAudio are you suggesting a Seventy 80 paired with V30 or? My issue is finding a speaker to pair with my existing V30? Maybe I was nit clear enough about that in the first comment.
Email us and we'll go through all the details and work out what you really need!@@lorencing
Dies Celestion publish the T/S parameters for their speakers? I've not found them.
Not for their guitar speakers - but T/S parameters are based around an assumption that the speaker will be used predominantly within its linear range, so small signal (1W) behaviour will closely relate to high power behaviour. That isn’t the case with most guitar speakers due to the minimal voice coil overhang (electromagnetic distortion therefore happening at relatively low power), flexible cones and stiff non-linear suspension.
@BarefacedAudio That makes sense. Thank you. I appreciate you and that you A/B speakers for us. Real world performance is always the best test.
Do you guys have a 2x12" cab engineered to work best with a G12p-80 Seventy80? Are your cabs specifically tuned and voiced for each specific speaker or one-size-fits-all?
One-size-fits(almost)-all! If someone is using lower tunings or a guitar with a higher string count then we would recommend specific drivers and a low-tuning customisation for the cab itself. We haven't explored the the Seventy 80 much, but in terms of frequency response it's very similar to our stock driver (V30)... so a G12P-80 and a V30 in either a Radical:
barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/radical-212h
Or an Uprising:
barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/uprising-212v
Upsizing:
barefacedaudio.com/collections/avd-guitar-cabs/products/upsizing-212-1215-215
I'm not sure if I've made a video about this but if I haven't then I will! When I started designing what became the AVD cabs I was used to designing hi-fi speakers, bass cabs and PA cabs. And guitar speakers don't behave like them because they spend much of their life operating non-linearly, so small signal T/S parameters go out of the window.
The first four production AVD cabs were designed and tested with two specific 10" speakers and two specific 12"s. Then people started asking about having different drivers in them and so we started experimenting with more - and everything we tried just worked. And that's continued to be the case.
As you head into lower tunings and/or start wanting to move more air at lower frequencies (really LOUD chugging) then the cab tuning and driver choice becomes more important but still not to the degree I expected.
So if you like the Seventy 80 then you can absolutely have them in an Uprising or Radical or Upsizing and expect them to sound better than ever before. They're not on our site as a custom choice but we can certainly add them, or you can go unloaded if you already have some to rehome.
Why would anyone build a cab engineered to work with the 70/80 ?
Terrible speaker and it sounds nothing like a V30 .
@@adamwatson6916 that depends on the rig bro. Vintage 30s sound like ass on my rig. They just have a different frequency response. And i already own 70/80's and they work for my sound... that would be why i asked.