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Yeap. Beacouse of Henning 😂. Dude! Some comparisons reveal things so counterintuitive as far as sounds go. Nevertheless.... This is a great effort... Will revisit!
Thanks! I don’t think any of it is counterintuitive, it just goes against the common myths that we’re told by friends who were told by other friends and so on.... this should help settle a few arguments I’m sure
@@adamsteelproducer Amazing systematic work, really enlightening. The clean strat sound in my head has always been that alnico blue... oh the chime... So absolutely unforgiving. The fusion example with backing track is really transversal, because the overtones of the lead guitar can be dissonant and harsh, blend irrelevantly with the mix or make him sound like a guitar God. The next step is mix and match speakers in a 2x12, right? 26 times 26... 6hours... adds up roughly to a 169 day video. Just an idea....
Great work!! They make/made a few for Hughes & Kettner. The Rockdriver Classic 60 and the Rockdriver jr. Do you happen to know what the equivalent of those speakers are?
I'm a speaker nerd and so happy I found this video. 6 hours, even if my wife and daughter do not agree, I will try my very best to do not miss a minute.
Properly done demo! How the speaker translates your guitar and amp into the complete mix is the most important aspect. Some speakers sound weird by themselves, but somehow sit in the mix perfectly.
This is awesome! I really think a lot of players under appreciate the role of the speaker as a determinant of their sound. I hope you get enough success from this video to justify the amount of work to do a shootout like this for other brands like WGS.
I love the copperback sound. It has a slightly higher frequency response than the others (goes up to 5500Hz instead of just 5000Hz), and doesn’t get muddy as quickly as other speakers when I use loads of effects with it. Not to mention I can throw absolutely any amp at it and it will never be overwhelmed.
Time stamp for my fav speakers. Classi Rock w/ Backing Track Alnico Cream 3:57:11 G12H30 Anniv 4:02:31 Creamback H 4:03:29 Creamback M 4:04:55 V-Type 4:07:20
A little over 2 hours in...this is an incredible gold mine for tone chasers! Absolutely loving this video. Can't wait to finish it. Thanks for all the work you put into this. Would definitely watch a speaker "brand comparison" video in the future (hint hint lol) Keep up this incredible content. You gained another subscriber 🤘
Really love that you included the room mics in this shootout. It's amazing how consistently loud the 30w anniversary and the K-100s are across all ranges of gain, definitely would choose those to play live. Also, it's groundbreaking to finally HEAR the differences between 8ohm and 16ohm speakers, instead of just taking words for granted from specialists.
I purchased the Anniversary years ago after hearing it perform consistently well in shootouts. It sounds incredible in person. It just lets whatever amp you're running do its thing.
For my personal reference, use if you wish too Modern Metal (No backing tracks) 5:08:35 A type 5:10:50 Century Vintage 5:11:16 Classic Lead 80 5:13:28 Neo Creamback 5:13:55 G12 35XC 5:14:22 G12H Anniversary 5:15:15 75 Creamback 5:15:42 G12K 100 5:16:08 Greenback 5:16:34 65 Creamback 5:17:01 G12T 75 5:17:54 Hempbacks 5:17:47 V type 5:19:14 V30 Modern Metal (Room) 5:20:17 A type 5:22:31 Century Vintage 5:22:57 Lead 80 5:25:10 Neo Creamback 5:25:37 G12 35XC 5:26:04 G12H Anniversary 5:26:57 75 Creamback 5:27:24 G12K 100 5:27:51 Greenback 5:28:16 65 Creamback 5:28:43 G12T 75 5:29:36 Hempbacks 5:30:29 V type 5:30:56 V30
Jesus, this is insane. Even through iPad speakers, differences are pretty obvious. Absolutely incredible work putting this together. So much to learn, which is what Adam and Hop Pole as a channel have become known for. Just an outstanding resource and excellently delivered.
G12M Greenback Clean Blues 2:36:28 Dirty Blues 3:16:36 Fusion 3:40:32 Rock Rhythm 4:17:11 Rock Lead 4:41:41 Metal 5:04:26 Heavy Metal 5:38:12 G12M-65 Creamback Clean Blues 2:36:57 Dirty Blues 3:17:08 Fusion 3:40:59 Rock Rhythm 4:17:39 Rock Lead 4:42:06 Metal 5:04:53 Heavy Metal 5:38:34 G12H-75 Creamback Clean Blues 2:35:30 Dirty Blues 3:15:33 Fusion 3:39:40 Rock Rhythm 4:16:12 Rock Lead 4:40:50 Metal 5:03:33 Heavy Metal 5:37:28 Vintage 30 Clean Blues 2:39:50 Metal 5:07:32 V-Type Clean Blues 2:39:21 Metal 5:07:07
This is nuts, in the best possible way. Henning sent me as well. And I am actually going to use it (tiny bits of it anyway). Thank you, you crazy person you. Overwhelming.
That 10" VT JUNIOR is the Star of the show. Great full tone without being too boomy and leaves a ton of room for all the other instruments. Thanks for that amazing demo my man.
Remarkable video man big props! The only thing I would have wished for is to have a Alnico Silver Bell speaker in here for comparison. Otherwise perfectly done!!
Great video and a lot of effort to make it scientifically correct in comparisons. I do have to say that the heat explanation is much different than what I have seen and been taught when it comes to speakers First off, there is no friction in the voice coil. No parts rub together. LOL. There is an air gap. When rubbing does occur, the speaker is toast. The heat does not come from friction. It comes from too much power going through too small of gauge wire. When more voltage is used, thicker wire is required. You can get more voltage through a thinner wire with cooling, hence the screen that lets air go through the voice coil. What happens when a wire gets hot is the insulation material on the wire melts off and the winding is shorted. The voltage no longer has to travel all the way through the entire length of wire that is wrapped on the coil. It just found a short cut to the end of the wire via the short circuit. Not only does this put an uneven magnetic field in the voice coil, it changes the impedance. depending on how much wire is taken out of the short cut this can vary. It always lowers the impedance. !6 ohm speakers have more wire and therefore more wraps. Lowering the impedance causes all kinds of issues. If your amp has an 8 ohm speaker output and you hook up a 4 ohm speaker, it draws more power from the amp. This can and will damage the amp with prolong usage this way. If you hook up a 2 ohm speaker, the load on the amp is increased even more and it will fail even sooner. Shorts in the voice coil do this. They reduce the impedance and the amp sees a much lower ohm speaker and sends even more voltage through the already under rated wire gauge and the heat is multiplied with it. The under rated wire in the voice coil gets very hot. Think light bulb filament. And that is not even mentioning what is going on in the amp, I believe mainly in the output transformer, having to try and push more voltage than it is rated for, hence the same phenomena going on in the windings there. Heat is a bad thing. In speakers and amps.
I'm pleasantly surprised, I've been looking at the Creambacks for a while... but the Alnico Blue was my favorite across the board. Sizzly at times but not unpleasantly so.
One problem with larger speakers is poor high frequency dispersion. 1x12 combos sound more dull the further you move from the center. The Supro Thunderbolt has a 15" speaker, but it has a wooden cross to diffuse the highs across the room. People use beam blockers and the Mitchell Foam Donut to alleviate the issue. However, it's not really a problem if you play alone in your home.
57:30 ish, Jimi Hendrix changed from 25w celestions to 30w celestion (G12H30 55hz "Bass cone" speakers) speakers for that reason (power handling). He kept blowing the others up. Thanks for a great video, I'm going to have to watch this one in 1hr instalments over the next couple of days I believe!
@@adamsteelproducer 30w GBs were out when Hendrix was alive, also having a 100w cab doesn't necessarily prevent your speakers from crapping out when the amp is 100w RMS, it puts out more wattage than that when it's dimed (or close to).
I believe you’re confusing the timeline a little though, the “100” on the cabinet and the 25W heavy greens were at the time Hendrix was using the H magnets to stop them blowing, and later they were upgraded to 30W. Hendrix was indeed still alive, but his reasoning for using the heavy magnets had already occurred years previously. And whilst it’s possible to put more than 100W rms out of a 60s plexi, the multimeters will show that’s rarer than you think. Also Hendrix was using full stacks and chaining amps together and still blowing the older 20W greenbacks!
I don't know if I will listen to the whole video, But I think we should appreciate what he has done. Great job Adam, what a massive undertaking. Congrats on putting together the recording, editing, mixing, and bringing the talent together to take this challenge on. Keep up the great work.
It seems to always come back to the clarity of the greenbacks no matter what they are up against… I guess EQing for exact tone is still where it’s at… appreciate the insane amount of work this took guys
Playing with a 4 x 10 equipped with old g10-l35 for 15 years and now downsizing to a custom 2 x 10 with wgs et10 and celestion g10 cream. Honestly, the sound is huge.
After listening to this, I still have to say my favourite speakers are the Alnico Blue, and the G12H30. Love them both. Thanks for what looks like months of work, mate!
There are quite a few standouts here. the T75 is both full and piercing trebley and combines so well with the Marshalls, but also with the Twin. Disappointed with how it sounds with the Revv. the H30 Anniversary is both so well rounded and just so in your face! If I had to pick only one speaker it would be that. All the Creambacks including the Alnico sounded great in all the clips. the Alnico Gold, V Type, Redback and the 35XC combined so well with the Twin Reverb but not with the rest of the amps. the Century Vintage and Neo Copperback didn't sound good with the Marshalls but I liked how it sounds with the rest of the amps. the Hempback sounds great in the Twin and would be perfect for blending in the rest of the amps! V30 sounds interesting in the Twin Reverb! Prefered the 16ohm on the Twin but the 8ohm with the Marshalls and the Revv All the 10" speakers but especially the G10 Vintage were my least favorites, followed up by the A Type, Classic Lead 80, K100 and Fullback from my IRL experience and in the room the T75 is my favorite and the A Type is my least favorite to work with
106:45 The Marshall Mode 4 head I got years ago was 350 watts. I owned it about 1 month before the head blew, and they took it back under warranty. I never got a chance to get used to it and got another head instead.
Amazing video.Been spending time in Impulse Responses and this has helped me think about other speaker options outside of my favorites m creamback, m greenbacks and v30s for my modelr. Will eventually pull the trigger on a zilla 2x12 creamback + greenback combo which I feel would compliment each other (unless you recommend other combo for classic/alt rock). Thanks for making the time investment on this video.
Hi there! I really appreciate your effort on this. SO, I have an old Carvin cab that came with these speakers that aren't made anymore. Celestion G12s 50w. From the 90s. I think they sound a lot like Twisted Sister's "Stay Hungry" album. But of course JJ French denied that, and talked about the speakers they used live on the tour, but never what they used in studio. I took two of them out and paired them with some G12h 70th anniversary. Let me know if you're interested in hearing them. I'll send you a FB video or something.
Awesome video! I was very surprised at some of the sounds. I use vintage 30's and g12h creambacks. I really really like the hemp back! never heard of that speaker before. Think it will pair really well with my creamback or lynchback. Killer killer work by you and all the guitarists you brought together.
I have always had G12t-75. I don’t know if that’s why it was one of my favorite because I’m familiar or I just like it that much. My favorites were the G12t-75, V type, and V30
I am in love with the darn Alnico Blues and oddly, the G10 Vintage. I am especially surprised how much John Browne's bit rings good to my ears with the Alnico Blue. Happy to have this reference! A great complement to Johan Segeborn's insatiable classic speaker playthroughs.
Great job guys👍👍 You do not have Sidewinder and G12M 70. First is fairy rare speaker with cast frame and 150 Watts. 145 mm magnet. Sounds flat compared to V30. G12M70 is bright and thin sounding, good for clean chords when brightness is in demand..
Hi. Brilliant video. Thanks for making it. A-type, V-type and V30 were my favourites. Questions: 1. What about showing a 8ohm tap to 16 ohm speaker result? eg: this happens to Mesa head owners sometimes having to run through a 16ohm cab. 2. Do 2x 8ohm speakers in serial in a cab produce the same result as a 16 ohm speaker, eg: the additional brightness? 3. Why no 70/80 tested? 4. and curious what Celestion is the Mesa branded speaker closest to in Celestion range? Regards and thanks again for the herculean effort.
Greetz from the Silvermine Studio ❤ I knew that effect from 16 to 8 ohms well, but really thanks to all the comparison. Here my favs: 1. Alnico gold 10" wich are very close to my beloved Marshall Gold Back 12" 2. G12H75 cream back, what is the ultimate classic rock thing 3. G10V jr. is stunning me in clearness, I have to set them to my Fender 4. Alnico blue 10" comes very unique and is rich to an experiment 5. Greenback 12" as a classic set up in use already, aside to regular 70/80 settings, or older Rolas G12H that being used here. But honestly this is all a matter of taste in combination to the amplifier and not at least to the music what it's on. Thanks a lot for your great work.
Adam, you, sir, are a monster. The sad thing is... thanks to this video, I now know that I need to buy a few speakers I think might be up my alley and try them in my own cabs with my own set-up... I love you and I hate you at the same time, lol. But in all seriousness, what an amazing job and what a monumental task you have achieved.
I'm liking a lot of the "cream" options. The Alnico Cream and G12 Neo Creamback in particular sound amazing. The Classic Lead 80 also sounds really good. I think Glenn's room mic example at the end is the best judgment for how they'd sound live in a room.
This video has helped me so much. I was on a fence between the Creamback 65 and the Creamback 75… I use a completely hot rodded Gibson LP Junior with a Fralin Noiseless and the I feel like the best one to balance out my tone, after hearing this, will be the Alnico Cream… I use a P90 and love that vintage tone and vibe… Thanks Adam! 💪🏼
Wow what a ton of work this was and you did great! The Twin: Celestion Creamback 65, Celestion A Type, Neo Cream 10, V Type, and Greenback were my favorites in that order. Marshall JCM800: hands down the G12H-150 is killer (a bit thin on the leads), Alnico Cream (good all around), V-Typr, G12H-75 Cream (rhythm peaky midrange cuts well), G15V-100 (mids darker but sound great), Century Vintage (if you want bright), and A Type (if you want darker and less tight). JMP: Alnico Cream, G12H-30, Lead 80, Fullback (big dominant), V-Type (Good all around), Greenback, G10 Creamback, G10 Greenback, and Redback (brighter). Revv Generator 120 MK3: Alnico Creamback, G12H-30, G12h-75 Cream, and Century Vintage.
5:02:40 For my own reference. The anniversaries are definitely my favourite. Century Vintage at 04:59:07 are also awesome, but Celestion discontinued them. Thanks for the stellar video!
@@jsullivan2112 My local guitar store had the Century Vintage on clearance for $75 when they got discontinued. I picked one up for the hell of it. I believe the main reason they got discontinued was due to the neodymium magnets not performing well at volume. They don't push the same as ferrite and alnicos do and it ends up a bit flubby when you crank them. Not too many guitar players are sold on Neodymiums in general. Ultimately, the Century Vintage is a bit bright for my taste but, it has its uses in a low volume clean setting. But to each is own.
Neodymium is 10 times stronger than ceramic, so it’s not to do with “not handling” or being “flubby”. I think it’s just that a lot of players were expecting one thing (a vintage 30 sound) and got something else.
@@adamsteelproducer That makes a lot of sense, I like the fact that it doesn’t sound like a V30. There are guys who put these in their Mark IV combo and absolutely love it, and i can hear why. They’re not exactly quiet amps either.
This is an awesome video, a palette of all the Celestion speaker colours for every player to choose from. I can't even imagine the amount of work you put into this. Kudos! 👏 Especially appreciate the well done impedance part, the SS power amp makes it clear for me.
what really gets me is pricing of speakers nowadays... you mentioned greenbacks were cheaper to make , and now they are one of the most expensive speakers to be had.....love the video by the way Great Job !
This is sick! I;m looking into a new 4x12 Marshall cab, well, new to me... and one is a 1960BX loaded with Greenbacks G12M and the other 1960BHW with Creambacks G12M and I an torn between the two...
@@adamsteelproducer I just wish there was a way I could pick 2 speakers to hear together. maybe open the video on two tabs panned hard left and right through the mixing board....
This is one of the most in-depth speaker analysis I've ever seen kudos I know it took a long time but believe me we appreciate it really really good ..i'm using 15 10in and 12in speakers for a combination that makes things really good thank you for doing this
If you're looking to put a well-known player with he Classic Lead 80, it was used for a long time by Eric Johnson and was the basis for his signature speaker.
Best video comparison out there...thanks again. If you have a little time to add the new Celestion 100 Alnico in next to the others, that would be amazing and much appreciated.
I went for the Redback and Fullback in a xxxl oversized 2x12/15 (100hx64wx40d cm) I didn't know how the speakers would sound together, but it turned out great
Adam this video should be the ultimate Celestion comparison as of 2021. This video must need a lot of effort to make and the amount of information is enormous. Thank you for this. I listen to this not because I want to buy celestion speaker, but for giving me a rough idea on how each celestion speaker sounds like. I use that knowledge to select impulse response that is suitable for amp sim that use.
Loving the video but i just thought i had to correct something. It's not the friction that causes the speaker to overheat, it's the wires in the circuit not being able to handle the current. in electricity when you send current though a wire a byproduct is heat(how traditional electric resistance stoves works.). if the wire is not rated for the current it will overheat and fail. My guess to solve this is you just use higher gauge wire rated to the current needed.
I’m sorry but you’re incorrect, when I’m talking about friction I’m talking about electrons and current- the cables are just fine and can handle far more than the 50-100W that the speaker is designed for. I could use 00 gauge wire right up to the speaker, and it wouldn’t stop it from damaging itself when it can’t dissipate heat through its own mechanisms. Whilst current handling of wires is a valid concern, it’s not what’s in play here.
@@adamsteelproducer im not talking about the wires running into the speaker im talking about the wires inside the speakers coil itself if that makes any difference. i would suspect it has to do with the winds and rating for the coil wire inside that makes it allow the specific movement of electrons while being able to dissipate the heat properly. simply just increasing the thickness of this wire would cause a string of problems that would also need to be solved but its just math so maybe thats what they did for higher watt speakers.
@@adamsteelproducer again, im not talking about the cab. im referencing the part where hendrix was setting his speakers on fire by running a 15 or 25 watt rated speaker with a 100w amps. you were saying its due to friction, which if you are talking about friction of the electrons in the wire i could kind of see that but the way you said it sounded like you were saying it was the friction of the speaker physicaly moving. im talking about the coil winds in a 25w speaker being diff than a over 100w rated speaker and running them at higher than their rating.
Ok so to clarify - it was indeed friction in that case. But not at first, it’s a cascade failure. First, the speakers get hot because they’re at or above their rated power handling and have no way to dissipate the heat. Then, the insulation on the copper voice coil breaks down and melts. Then the voice coil is deformed and starts to rub against the sides of the internal frame. In the 60s, this entire assembly was made of flammable paper, so enough rubbing in a short time was like rubbing kindling into ignition. It would spark and light on stage and catch fire that way. It can be replicated in lab conditions with speakers made of the same materials- modern speakers use different materials and designs less prone to ignition (including greenbacks, a reason why they don’t quite sound like they used to).
Now this is a video worth watching and listening to. Congratulations on the effort. This really puts things into perspective and that's a understatement.
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Yeap. Beacouse of Henning 😂. Dude! Some comparisons reveal things so counterintuitive as far as sounds go. Nevertheless.... This is a great effort... Will revisit!
Thanks! I don’t think any of it is counterintuitive, it just goes against the common myths that we’re told by friends who were told by other friends and so on.... this should help settle a few arguments I’m sure
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@@adamsteelproducer Amazing systematic work, really enlightening. The clean strat sound in my head has always been that alnico blue... oh the chime... So absolutely unforgiving. The fusion example with backing track is really transversal, because the overtones of the lead guitar can be dissonant and harsh, blend irrelevantly with the mix or make him sound like a guitar God. The next step is mix and match speakers in a 2x12, right? 26 times 26... 6hours... adds up roughly to a 169 day video. Just an idea....
Errr yeah! It’s an “idea” for sure lol… although I might just make a shorter version of that soon
still hands down one of the most useful videos ever made.
Thanks Glenn! Of course you’re biased because you’re in it 🤣
Absolutely!!!
I loved the sound you where sending those speakers 🔊, riff reminded me of being at a St Madness show!!
You made the alnicos sound awesome
too much talkin‘
How does this only have 700 likes. It’s basically the bible for Celestion. Thank you for making this.
Heavy Metal:
A Type 05:32:00
Alnico Blue 05:32:22
Alnico Cream 05:32:44
Alnico Gold 05:33:06
Alnico Ruby 05:33:28
Century Vintage 05:33:50
Classic Lead 80 05:34:12
G10 Creamback 05:34:34
G10 Gold 05:34:56
G10 Greenback 05:35:18
G10 Vintage 05:35:40
G12 Neo Creamback 05:36:02
G12-35XC 05:36:24
G12H Anniversary 05:36:46
G12H-150 Redback 05:37:08
G12H-75 Creamback 05:37:30
G12K-100 05:37:52
G12M Greenback 05:38:14
G12M-65 Creamback 05:38:36
G12T-75 05:38:58
G15V-100 Fullback 05:39:20
Hempback 05:39:42
Neo 250 Copperback 05:40:04
V Type 05:40:26
Vintage 30 8 ohm 05:40:48
VT Jr 05:41:10
Best comment ever
Good work man. There are some surprises in here when you can A/B them!
(For personal reference)
Rock Rhythm
Vintage 30 - 4:20:37
V Type - 4:20:09
Anniversary - 4:15:19
M Greenback - 4:17:15
Hempback - 4:19:11
65 Creamback - 4:17:44
75 Creamback - 4:16:17
Rock Lead
Vintage 30 - 4:44:39
V Type - 4:44:14
Anniversary - 4:39:59
M Greenback - 4:41:41
Hempback - 4:43:23
65 Creamback - 4:42:06
75 Creamback - 4:40:50
Metal
Vintage 30 - 5:19:15
V Type - 5:18:48
Anniversary - 5:14:23
M Greenback - 5:16:09
Hempback - 5:17:55
65 Creamback - 5:16:35
75 Creamback - 5:15:16
"Bwaaa"
Vintage 30 - 5:19:38
V Type - 5:19:11
Anniversary - 5:14:46
M Greenback - 5:16:32
Hempback - 5:18:19
65 Creamback - 5:16:59
75 Creamback - 5:15:39
You are a lord man much appreciated
Thanks!
thanks
You rock!
Gimmicks aside, what does everyone think of the Hempback vs the g12m Creamback and Greenback?
Incredible work, Adam!
Thanks for the assist Glenn! Always a bright day when one of the guys that got me into TH-cam in the first place is featured on my channel. Rock on!
so my main man Glenn is a "Pro Guitarist" now?, lol, awesome video, great work to all of you
I love how he used your usual intro bit to introduce you :D
Love your vids Mr Glenn 🙌
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Wait so you did this insane amount of work and this video doesn't even have adds? What a mad man.
It’s got 3 ads... in 6 hours
High Gain Comparison:
A-Type - 5:08:36
Alnico Blue - 5:09:03
Alnico Cream - 5:09:30
Alnico Gold - 5:09:57
Alnico Ruby - 5:10:23
Century Vintage - 5:10:50
Classic Lead 80 - 5:11:16
10 inch Creamback - 5:11:43
10 inch Gold - 5:12:09
10 inch Greenback - 5:12:36
10 inch Vintage - 5:13:03
Neo Creamback - 5:13:29
G12-35XC - 5:13:56
G12H-30 - 5:14:22
G12H-150 Redback- 5:14:49
Creamback H-75 - 5:15:15
G12-K100 - 5:15:42
Greenback - 5:16:08
Creamback M-65 - 5:16:35
G12-T75 - 5:17:02
Fullback - 5:17:28
Hempback - 5:17:55
Neo Copperback - 5:18:21
V-Type - 5:18:48
Vintage 30 - 5:19:14
V-Type Jr. - 5:19:41
Modern Metal in Mix Ending
01- 4:57:17 - A type
02- 4:57:44 - Alnico Blue
03- 4:58:11 - Alnico Cream
04- 4:58:37 - Alnico Gold
05- 4:59:04 - Alnico Ruby
06- 4:59:30 - Century Vintage
07- 4:59:57 - Classic Lead 80
08- 5:00:23 - G10 Creamback
09- 5:00:50 - G10 Gold
10- 5:01:17 - G10 Greenback
11- 5:01:43 - G10 Vintage
12- 5:02:10 - G12 Neo Creamback
13- 5:02:36 - G12-35XC
14- 5:03:03 - G12H Anniversary
15- 5:03:29 - G12H-150 Redback
16- 5:03:56 - G12H-75 Creamback
17- 5:04:22 - G12K-100
18- 5:04:49 - G12M Greenback
19- 5:05:16 - G12M-65 Creamback
20- 5:05:42 - G12T-75
21- 5:06:09 - G15V-100 Fullback
22- 5:06:35 - Hempback
23- 5:07:02 - Neo Copperback
24- 5:07:28 - V Type
25- 5:07:55 - Vintage 30
26 - 5:08:22 - VT Junior
My Top 10 -in no order of preference
Reference1 - 5:07:55 - Vintage 30
Reference 2 - 4:58:37 - Alnico Gold
01- 4:58:11 - Alnico Cream
02- 5:02:10 - G12 Neo Creamback
03- 5:02:36 - G12-35XC
04- 5:03:03 - G12H Anniversary
05- 5:03:29 - G12H-150 Redback
06- 5:03:56 - G12H-75 Creamback
07- 5:04:49 - G12M Greenback
08- 5:05:16 - G12M-65 Creamback
09- 5:05:42 - G12T-75
10- 5:07:28 - V Type
My Top 5 -tails only, from darker to brighter
Reference 1 - 5:07:57 - Vintage 30
Reference 2 - 4:58:38 - Alnico Gold
01- 5:05:44 - G12T-75
02- 5:02:38 - G12-35XC
03- 5:05:17 - G12M-65 Creamback
04- 5:04:50 - G12M Greenback
05- 5:03:04 - G12H Anniversary
Great work!! They make/made a few for Hughes & Kettner. The Rockdriver Classic 60 and the Rockdriver jr. Do you happen to know what the equivalent of those speakers are?
I'm a speaker nerd and so happy I found this video. 6 hours, even if my wife and daughter do not agree, I will try my very best to do not miss a minute.
Love the outtakes 😂
This was a massive undertaking, I greatly appreciate all the time and effort it took to put this together!
Thanks Myk! Yeah I’m surprised anyone actually got that far but I do like a little bit of silliness thrown in there
Properly done demo! How the speaker translates your guitar and amp into the complete mix is the most important aspect. Some speakers sound weird by themselves, but somehow sit in the mix perfectly.
This is awesome! I really think a lot of players under appreciate the role of the speaker as a determinant of their sound. I hope you get enough success from this video to justify the amount of work to do a shootout like this for other brands like WGS.
Well depending on how this one goes, I may well be sending out some emails....
@@adamsteelproducer I'm curious how that went I was curious about the hemp backs and man they are warm sounding I'm trying some no name speakers
Classic Rock Backing track:
01- 3:56:17 - A type
02- 3:56:46 - Alnico Blue
03- 3:57:16 - Alnico Cream
04- 3:57:45 - Alnico Gold
05- 3:58:14 - Alnico Ruby
06- 3:58:43 - Century Vintage
07- 3:59:11 - Classic Lead 80
08- 3:59:40 - G10 Creamback
09- 4:00:10 - G10 Gold
10- 4:00:39 - G10 Greenback
11- 4:01:05 - G10 Vintage
12- 4:01:36 - G12 Neo Creamback
13- 4:02:05 - G12-35XC
14- 4:02:34 - G12H 70 Anniversary
15- 4:03:03 - G12H-150 Redback
16- 4:03:33 - G12H-75 Creamback
17- 4:04:01 - G12K-100
18- 4:04:32 - G12M Greenback
19- 4:04:59 - G12M-65 Creamback
20- 4:05:28 - G12T-75
21- 4:05:57 - G15V-100 Fullback
22- 4:06:26 - Hempback
23- 4:06:55 - Neo Copperback
24- 4:07:24 - V Type
25- 4:07:52 - Vintage 30
26 - 4:08:25 - VT Junior
I love the copperback sound. It has a slightly higher frequency response than the others (goes up to 5500Hz instead of just 5000Hz), and doesn’t get muddy as quickly as other speakers when I use loads of effects with it. Not to mention I can throw absolutely any amp at it and it will never be overwhelmed.
This video index is gonna be a reference for years to come. Holy cow, bravo!
Henning sent me, too. I still remember your video in Neo Creambacks, I love them and use the Ir´s frequently.
Time stamp for my fav speakers.
Classi Rock w/ Backing Track
Alnico Cream 3:57:11
G12H30 Anniv 4:02:31
Creamback H 4:03:29
Creamback M 4:04:55
V-Type 4:07:20
Agreed I have G12 H anniversary in a modded Deluxe Reverb and G12M in a Johnson JM60 love them both
This vídeo should be taught in schools, colleges, universities, churches and used in speeches at the senate and the congress!
A little over 2 hours in...this is an incredible gold mine for tone chasers! Absolutely loving this video. Can't wait to finish it. Thanks for all the work you put into this. Would definitely watch a speaker "brand comparison" video in the future (hint hint lol) Keep up this incredible content. You gained another subscriber 🤘
Classic Lead 80 2:31:09
G10 Creamback 2:31:38
G10 Greenback 2:32:36
G10 Vintage 2:33:05
Hemp 2:38:23
Neo Copperback 2:38:52
Vintage 30 2:39:50
G12 Neo Creamback - 5:01:47
G12H 75 Creamback - 5:03:33
Vintage 30 - 5:07:32
Adam, I don't need to tell you how insane this is, you know it! The amount of work... no words. Absolutely awesome!
Thanks Max. Yeah this one took a lot of work. I’m not doing this again any time soon!
Clean and Fusion
2:28:43 Alnico Blue 3:33:33
2:37:53 Fulltone 15" 3:41:51
2:34:31 G12H 3:38:47
2:36:27 greenback 12m 3:40:33
2:39:50 vintage 30 3:43:38
2:30:40 century vintage 3:35:18
2:33:33 g12 neo creamback 3:37:57
2:33:04 vintage 10 3:37:32
2:32:36 greenback 10 3:37:03
creamback 75 3:39:47
2:40:19vt junior 3:44:02
4:16:17 Creamback H75
4:17:15 Greenback
4:17:45 creamback M65
4:20:26 vtype
4:20:45 V30
4:09:33 Blue Alnico
4:10:13 Cream Alnico
4:10:30 Alnico Gold
Really love that you included the room mics in this shootout. It's amazing how consistently loud the 30w anniversary and the K-100s are across all ranges of gain, definitely would choose those to play live.
Also, it's groundbreaking to finally HEAR the differences between 8ohm and 16ohm speakers, instead of just taking words for granted from specialists.
I purchased the Anniversary years ago after hearing it perform consistently well in shootouts. It sounds incredible in person. It just lets whatever amp you're running do its thing.
For my personal reference, use if you wish too
Modern Metal (No backing tracks)
5:08:35 A type
5:10:50 Century Vintage
5:11:16 Classic Lead 80
5:13:28 Neo Creamback
5:13:55 G12 35XC
5:14:22 G12H Anniversary
5:15:15 75 Creamback
5:15:42 G12K 100
5:16:08 Greenback
5:16:34 65 Creamback
5:17:01 G12T 75
5:17:54 Hempbacks
5:17:47 V type
5:19:14 V30
Modern Metal (Room)
5:20:17 A type
5:22:31 Century Vintage
5:22:57 Lead 80
5:25:10 Neo Creamback
5:25:37 G12 35XC
5:26:04 G12H Anniversary
5:26:57 75 Creamback
5:27:24 G12K 100
5:27:51 Greenback
5:28:16 65 Creamback
5:28:43 G12T 75
5:29:36 Hempbacks
5:30:29 V type
5:30:56 V30
Jesus, this is insane. Even through iPad speakers, differences are pretty obvious. Absolutely incredible work putting this together. So much to learn, which is what Adam and Hop Pole as a channel have become known for. Just an outstanding resource and excellently delivered.
The best speaker comparison I’ve seen. There are lots of good ones. But this is about as good as it gets. Thank you
A monumental achievement, Adam and crew. Congratulations. This will be a great reference video for many years to come!!!
Thanks Chad. I really hope so!
G12M Greenback
Clean Blues 2:36:28
Dirty Blues 3:16:36
Fusion 3:40:32
Rock Rhythm 4:17:11
Rock Lead 4:41:41
Metal 5:04:26
Heavy Metal 5:38:12
G12M-65 Creamback
Clean Blues 2:36:57
Dirty Blues 3:17:08
Fusion 3:40:59
Rock Rhythm 4:17:39
Rock Lead 4:42:06
Metal 5:04:53
Heavy Metal 5:38:34
G12H-75 Creamback
Clean Blues 2:35:30
Dirty Blues 3:15:33
Fusion 3:39:40
Rock Rhythm 4:16:12
Rock Lead 4:40:50
Metal 5:03:33
Heavy Metal 5:37:28
Vintage 30
Clean Blues 2:39:50
Metal 5:07:32
V-Type
Clean Blues 2:39:21
Metal 5:07:07
This is an eye opener for me on speakers, thank you so much for the work that went into this
This is nuts, in the best possible way. Henning sent me as well. And I am actually going to use it (tiny bits of it anyway). Thank you, you crazy person you. Overwhelming.
That 10" VT JUNIOR is the Star of the show. Great full tone without being too boomy and leaves a ton of room for all the other instruments. Thanks for that amazing demo my man.
Clean Blues - Close + Room Mics
02:28:15 - A Type
02:28:44 - Alnico Blue
02:29:13 - Alnico Cream
02:29:42 - Alnico Gold
02:30:11 - Alnico Ruby
02:30:40 - Century Vintage
02:31:09 - Classic Lead 80
02:31:38 - G10 Creamback
02:32:07 - G10 Gold
02:32:36 - G10 Greenback
02:33:04 - G10 Vintage
02:33:33 - G12 Neo Creamback
02:34:02 - G12-35XC
02:34:31 - G12H-Anniversary
02:35:00 - G12H-150 Redback
02:35:29 - G12H-75 Creamback
02:35:58 - G12K-100
02:36:27 - G12M Greenback
02:36:56 - G12M-65 Creamback
02:37:25 - G12T-75
02:37:54 - G15V-100 Fullback
02:38:23 - Hempback
02:38:52 - Neo Copperback
02:39:21 - V Type
02:39:50 - Vintage 30
02:40:19 - VT Junior
This is one heck of an achievement Adam! Amazing work by you and your guests too.
Thanks Tim!
Remarkable video man big props! The only thing I would have wished for is to have a Alnico Silver Bell speaker in here for comparison. Otherwise perfectly done!!
Rock Rhythm 10"
4:12:21 G10 Creamback
4:12:50 G10 Alnico Gold
4:13:19 G10 Greenback
4:13:48 G10 Vintage
4:21:02 G10 VT-Junior
Clean Blues
2:29:13 Alnico Cream
2:30:39 Century Vintage
2:33:34 Neo Creamback
2:34:31 G12H30
2:35:01 Redback
2:35:29 H75 Creamback
2:36:27 Greenback
2:36:57 M65 Creamback
2:38:52 Neo Copperback
2:39:20 V-Type
2:39:50 Vintage 30
Rock Rhythm
4:10:00 Alnico Cream
4:11:26 Century Vintage
4:14:20 Neo Creamback
4:15:18 G12H30
4:15:47 Redback
4:16:16 H75 Creamback
4:17:14 Greenback
4:17:43 M65 Creamback
4:19:39 Neo Copperback
4:20:07 V-Type
4:20:37 Vintage 30
Hempback 05:39:42
G12 Neo Creamback 05:36:02
Hempback 03:04:48
G12 Neo Creamback 02:59:32
G10 Creamback 05:34:33
V type 05:40:23
G12 65w Creamback 05:38:34
For personal reference:
Clean Blues:
2:28:44 Alnico Blue
2:30:39 Century Vintage
2:33:33 G12 Neo Creamback
2:34:32 G12H Anniversary
2:36:27 G12M Greenback
Great video and a lot of effort to make it scientifically correct in comparisons.
I do have to say that the heat explanation is much different than what I have seen and been taught when it comes to speakers
First off, there is no friction in the voice coil. No parts rub together. LOL. There is an air gap. When rubbing does occur, the speaker is toast.
The heat does not come from friction. It comes from too much power going through too small of gauge wire.
When more voltage is used, thicker wire is required. You can get more voltage through a thinner wire with cooling, hence the screen that lets air go through the voice coil.
What happens when a wire gets hot is the insulation material on the wire melts off and the winding is shorted. The voltage no longer has to travel all the way through the entire length of wire that is wrapped on the coil. It just found a short cut to the end of the wire via the short circuit. Not only does this put an uneven magnetic field in the voice coil, it changes the impedance. depending on how much wire is taken out of the short cut this can vary. It always lowers the impedance. !6 ohm speakers have more wire and therefore more wraps. Lowering the impedance causes all kinds of issues. If your amp has an 8 ohm speaker output and you hook up a 4 ohm speaker, it draws more power from the amp. This can and will damage the amp with prolong usage this way. If you hook up a 2 ohm speaker, the load on the amp is increased even more and it will fail even sooner. Shorts in the voice coil do this. They reduce the impedance and the amp sees a much lower ohm speaker and sends even more voltage through the already under rated wire gauge and the heat is multiplied with it. The under rated wire in the voice coil gets very hot. Think light bulb filament.
And that is not even mentioning what is going on in the amp, I believe mainly in the output transformer, having to try and push more voltage than it is rated for, hence the same phenomena going on in the windings there. Heat is a bad thing. In speakers and amps.
Final section on 16ohm vs 8ohm speaker is super valuable, thank you.
I'm pleasantly surprised, I've been looking at the Creambacks for a while... but the Alnico Blue was my favorite across the board. Sizzly at times but not unpleasantly so.
Nah, too trebley
One problem with larger speakers is poor high frequency dispersion. 1x12 combos sound more dull the further you move from the center. The Supro Thunderbolt has a 15" speaker, but it has a wooden cross to diffuse the highs across the room. People use beam blockers and the Mitchell Foam Donut to alleviate the issue. However, it's not really a problem if you play alone in your home.
Modern metal - No Backing track:
5:18:48 - V-type
5:17:02 - G12T-75
5:19:14 - V30
5:08:36 - A-type
5:13:56 - G12-35XC
5:09:56 - Alnico gold
5:10:49 - Century Vintage
5:15:41 - G12k-100
5:14:22 - G12H anniversary
5:16:08 - Green back
5:16:34 - G12M-65 Creamback
Henning sent me. I have to watch this. You are clearly slightly insane, but I like that.
57:30 ish, Jimi Hendrix changed from 25w celestions to 30w celestion (G12H30 55hz "Bass cone" speakers) speakers for that reason (power handling). He kept blowing the others up. Thanks for a great video, I'm going to have to watch this one in 1hr instalments over the next couple of days I believe!
Actually medium greenbacks were 20W and heavy were 25W at the time, hence the “100” on the cabinet. 30W heavy greenbacks came later
They didn’t include the 55 Hz Heritage, either-sadly. Great effort anyway!
@@adamsteelproducer 30w GBs were out when Hendrix was alive, also having a 100w cab doesn't necessarily prevent your speakers from crapping out when the amp is 100w RMS, it puts out more wattage than that when it's dimed (or close to).
I believe you’re confusing the timeline a little though, the “100” on the cabinet and the 25W heavy greens were at the time Hendrix was using the H magnets to stop them blowing, and later they were upgraded to 30W. Hendrix was indeed still alive, but his reasoning for using the heavy magnets had already occurred years previously. And whilst it’s possible to put more than 100W rms out of a 60s plexi, the multimeters will show that’s rarer than you think. Also Hendrix was using full stacks and chaining amps together and still blowing the older 20W greenbacks!
I didn’t include any heritage at all, as described near the start of the video, they’re a whole other rabbit hole to go down
I don't know if I will listen to the whole video, But I think we should appreciate what he has done. Great job Adam, what a massive undertaking. Congrats on putting together the recording, editing, mixing, and bringing the talent together to take this challenge on. Keep up the great work.
G12H-75 Creamback 05:37:30 - 04:03:31 - 03:28:09 - 02:35:30 - 3:01:41
Vintage 30 8 ohm 05:40:48 - 04:07:50 - 03:32:05 - 02:39:51 - 3:06:26
Clean
Alnico Cream 2:29:13
G12H30 Anniv 2:34:32
Creamback H 2:35:29
Creamback M 2:36:56
V-Type 2:39:21
You are the craziest guy around ever seen heard and felt !!! ☀️ massive thank’s bro !
WOW ... Well done. Thank you for the effort it took to do this video. This is a valuable resource. Thank you !
It seems to always come back to the clarity of the greenbacks no matter what they are up against… I guess EQing for exact tone is still where it’s at… appreciate the insane amount of work this took guys
Dude! this is ridiculous! ..
How could you up the speaker video game even more?!
Thanks a LOT for your hard work :)
Thanks! This may just be the peak....
@@adamsteelproducer Yeah man .. this is the ultimate speaker video :D I can't believe I watched this for 2h 25min already ^^
VType Junior 1:53:59
G10 Greenback 1:54:28
G10 Gold 1:54:57
G10 Vintage 1:55:55
Playing with a 4 x 10 equipped with old g10-l35 for 15 years and now downsizing to a custom 2 x 10 with wgs et10 and celestion g10 cream. Honestly, the sound is huge.
After listening to this, I still have to say my favourite speakers are the Alnico Blue, and the G12H30. Love them both.
Thanks for what looks like months of work, mate!
There are quite a few standouts here.
the T75 is both full and piercing trebley and combines so well with the Marshalls, but also with the Twin. Disappointed with how it sounds with the Revv.
the H30 Anniversary is both so well rounded and just so in your face! If I had to pick only one speaker it would be that.
All the Creambacks including the Alnico sounded great in all the clips.
the Alnico Gold, V Type, Redback and the 35XC combined so well with the Twin Reverb but not with the rest of the amps.
the Century Vintage and Neo Copperback didn't sound good with the Marshalls but I liked how it sounds with the rest of the amps.
the Hempback sounds great in the Twin and would be perfect for blending in the rest of the amps!
V30 sounds interesting in the Twin Reverb! Prefered the 16ohm on the Twin but the 8ohm with the Marshalls and the Revv
All the 10" speakers but especially the G10 Vintage were my least favorites, followed up by the A Type, Classic Lead 80, K100 and Fullback
from my IRL experience and in the room the T75 is my favorite and the A Type is my least favorite to work with
106:45 The Marshall Mode 4 head I got years ago was 350 watts. I owned it about 1 month before the head blew, and they took it back under warranty. I never got a chance to get used to it and got another head instead.
Amazing video.Been spending time in Impulse Responses and this has helped me think about other speaker options outside of my favorites m creamback, m greenbacks and v30s for my modelr. Will eventually pull the trigger on a zilla 2x12 creamback + greenback combo which I feel would compliment each other (unless you recommend other combo for classic/alt rock). Thanks for making the time investment on this video.
Hi there! I really appreciate your effort on this. SO, I have an old Carvin cab that came with these speakers that aren't made anymore. Celestion G12s 50w. From the 90s. I think they sound a lot like Twisted Sister's "Stay Hungry" album. But of course JJ French denied that, and talked about the speakers they used live on the tour, but never what they used in studio. I took two of them out and paired them with some G12h 70th anniversary. Let me know if you're interested in hearing them. I'll send you a FB video or something.
Awesome video! I was very surprised at some of the sounds. I use vintage 30's and g12h creambacks. I really really like the hemp back! never heard of that speaker before. Think it will pair really well with my creamback or lynchback. Killer killer work by you and all the guitarists you brought together.
5:09:30 alinco cream
5:14:22 g12h anniversary
5:15:15 g12h-75 cream
5:16:35 g12m-65 cream
5:19:14 vintage 30
Classic Rock Isolated
4:12:21 G10 Creamback
4:13:19 G10 Greenback
4:15:44 Redback
4:17:11 Greenback
4:17:39 Creamback 65
4:20:33 V30
This is an absolutely insane amount of work. What a great video. Thank you for doing this!
That Century Vintage 😮
2:30:40
V Type!
2:52:06
A Type
2:41:00
I have always had G12t-75. I don’t know if that’s why it was one of my favorite because I’m familiar or I just like it that much. My favorites were the G12t-75, V type, and V30
You’re awesome man! Thanks for taking all the time
Clean
2:39:50 Vintage 30
2:28:15 A-Type
2:36:28 Greenback
2:31:09 Lead 80
2:38:23 Hempback
Crunchy blues
3:06:24 Vintage 30
2:53:43 A-Type
3:02:42 Greenback
2:56:54 Lead 80
3:04:48 Hempback
Rock Rythm
4:20:33 Vintage 30
4:17:39 Creamback
4:17:10 Greenback
4:11:52 Lead 80
4:19:06 Hempback
I am in love with the darn Alnico Blues and oddly, the G10 Vintage. I am especially surprised how much John Browne's bit rings good to my ears with the Alnico Blue.
Happy to have this reference! A great complement to Johan Segeborn's insatiable classic speaker playthroughs.
I love the Blues too. Was going to build a Greenback 2x12 but will now use Blues instead!
For personal refrence
Redback 4:15:43
G12K-100 4:16:42
Vintage 30 4:20:33
Great job guys👍👍 You do not have Sidewinder and G12M 70. First is fairy rare speaker with cast frame and 150 Watts. 145 mm magnet. Sounds flat compared to V30. G12M70 is bright and thin sounding, good for clean chords when brightness is in demand..
Hi. Brilliant video. Thanks for making it. A-type, V-type and V30 were my favourites. Questions: 1. What about showing a 8ohm tap to 16 ohm speaker result? eg: this happens to Mesa head owners sometimes having to run through a 16ohm cab. 2. Do 2x 8ohm speakers in serial in a cab produce the same result as a 16 ohm speaker, eg: the additional brightness? 3. Why no 70/80 tested? 4. and curious what Celestion is the Mesa branded speaker closest to in Celestion range? Regards and thanks again for the herculean effort.
Greetz from the Silvermine Studio ❤ I knew that effect from 16 to 8 ohms well, but really thanks to all the comparison. Here my favs:
1. Alnico gold 10" wich are very close to my beloved Marshall Gold Back 12"
2. G12H75 cream back, what is the ultimate classic rock thing
3. G10V jr. is stunning me in clearness, I have to set them to my Fender
4. Alnico blue 10" comes very unique and is rich to an experiment
5. Greenback 12" as a classic set up in use already, aside to regular 70/80 settings, or older Rolas G12H that being used here.
But honestly this is all a matter of taste in combination to the amplifier and not at least to the music what it's on. Thanks a lot for your great work.
Adam, you, sir, are a monster. The sad thing is... thanks to this video, I now know that I need to buy a few speakers I think might be up my alley and try them in my own cabs with my own set-up... I love you and I hate you at the same time, lol. But in all seriousness, what an amazing job and what a monumental task you have achieved.
I'm liking a lot of the "cream" options. The Alnico Cream and G12 Neo Creamback in particular sound amazing. The Classic Lead 80 also sounds really good. I think Glenn's room mic example at the end is the best judgment for how they'd sound live in a room.
This video has helped me so much. I was on a fence between the Creamback 65 and the Creamback 75… I use a completely hot rodded Gibson LP Junior with a Fralin Noiseless and the I feel like the best one to balance out my tone, after hearing this, will be the Alnico Cream… I use a P90 and love that vintage tone and vibe… Thanks Adam! 💪🏼
Wow what a ton of work this was and you did great!
The Twin: Celestion Creamback 65, Celestion A Type, Neo Cream 10, V Type, and Greenback were my favorites in that order.
Marshall JCM800: hands down the G12H-150 is killer (a bit thin on the leads), Alnico Cream (good all around), V-Typr, G12H-75 Cream (rhythm peaky midrange cuts well), G15V-100 (mids darker but sound great), Century Vintage (if you want bright), and A Type (if you want darker and less tight).
JMP: Alnico Cream, G12H-30, Lead 80, Fullback (big dominant), V-Type (Good all around), Greenback, G10 Creamback, G10 Greenback, and Redback (brighter).
Revv Generator 120 MK3: Alnico Creamback, G12H-30, G12h-75 Cream, and Century Vintage.
5:02:40 For my own reference. The anniversaries are definitely my favourite. Century Vintage at 04:59:07 are also awesome, but Celestion discontinued them. Thanks for the stellar video!
Century Vintage is my favorite by far… Not sure why they would discontinue their best speaker!
@@nsc217 The sales probably weren’t there, or supply issues, or both.
@@jsullivan2112 My local guitar store had the Century Vintage on clearance for $75 when they got discontinued. I picked one up for the hell of it. I believe the main reason they got discontinued was due to the neodymium magnets not performing well at volume. They don't push the same as ferrite and alnicos do and it ends up a bit flubby when you crank them. Not too many guitar players are sold on Neodymiums in general. Ultimately, the Century Vintage is a bit bright for my taste but, it has its uses in a low volume clean setting. But to each is own.
Neodymium is 10 times stronger than ceramic, so it’s not to do with “not handling” or being “flubby”. I think it’s just that a lot of players were expecting one thing (a vintage 30 sound) and got something else.
@@adamsteelproducer That makes a lot of sense, I like the fact that it doesn’t sound like a V30. There are guys who put these in their Mark IV combo and absolutely love it, and i can hear why. They’re not exactly quiet amps either.
4:08:58 A Type
4:15:15 G12H Anniversary
4:16:13 G12H-75
4:18:08 G12T-75
4:20:33 Vint 30’s
This is an awesome video, a palette of all the Celestion speaker colours for every player to choose from. I can't even imagine the amount of work you put into this. Kudos! 👏 Especially appreciate the well done impedance part, the SS power amp makes it clear for me.
I swear that this weekend i am gonna watch all this video and congratulations for all your work!
what really gets me is pricing of speakers nowadays... you mentioned greenbacks were cheaper to make , and now they are one of the most expensive speakers to be had.....love the video by the way Great Job !
This is sick! I;m looking into a new 4x12 Marshall cab, well, new to me... and one is a 1960BX loaded with Greenbacks G12M and the other 1960BHW with Creambacks G12M and I an torn between the two...
5:14:22 G12H Anniversary
5:09:03 Alnico Blue
5:09:56 Alnico Gold
holy cow, glad I pull the trigger on speakers before watching this. (I went with 16ohm 12h-75 and vintage 30). Now I want about 12 others.
Aaaahahahaha. Yeah it’s a rabbit hole for sure
@@adamsteelproducer I just wish there was a way I could pick 2 speakers to hear together. maybe open the video on two tabs panned hard left and right through the mixing board....
I’m thinking of doing some kind of speaker mix as a follow up. But right now I’m exhausted with speakers so I’m going to lie down!
This is one of the most in-depth speaker analysis I've ever seen kudos I know it took a long time but believe me we appreciate it really really good ..i'm using 15 10in and 12in speakers for a combination that makes things really good thank you for doing this
If you're looking to put a well-known player with he Classic Lead 80, it was used for a long time by Eric Johnson and was the basis for his signature speaker.
Dirty Blues close mic
2:53:45 - A Type
2:54:16 - Alnico Blue
2:55:22 - Alnico Gold
2:55:51 - Alnico Ruby
2:56:23 - Century Vintage
2:56:54 - Classic lead 80
2:57:26 - G10 cream
2:57:58 - G10 gold
2:58:30 - G10 green
2:59:00 - G10 vintage
2:59:34 - G12 Neo Cream
3:00:04 - G12 35XC
3:00:36 - G12H Anniversary
3:01:07 - G12H Redback
3:01:39 - G12H Creamback
3:02:12 - G12K 100
3:02:42 - G12M Greenback
3:03:14 - G12M Creamback
3:03:46 - G12T 75
3:04:20 - G15 Fullback
3:04:49 - Hempback
3:05:21 - Neo Copper
3:05:52 - G12 V Type
3:06:24 - G12 V30 Vintage
3:06:57 - G10 VT Junior
watch 05:57:00-> Very important points on impedance; surprising differences in sound! Thankyou for this excellent piece of work 🙂
Very cool of you to do this
Best video comparison out there...thanks again.
If you have a little time to add the new Celestion 100 Alnico in next to the others, that would be amazing and much appreciated.
This is unreal! Thank you SO MUCH for posting this. Incredibly useful!
This is the best comparison video EVER! I subscribed to your channel, and you are the MAN!
I went for the Redback and Fullback in a xxxl oversized 2x12/15 (100hx64wx40d cm) I didn't know how the speakers would sound together, but it turned out great
Nice! Sounds like that would be really meaty
Adam this video should be the ultimate Celestion comparison as of 2021. This video must need a lot of effort to make and the amount of information is enormous. Thank you for this.
I listen to this not because I want to buy celestion speaker, but for giving me a rough idea on how each celestion speaker sounds like. I use that knowledge to select impulse response that is suitable for amp sim that use.
Thanks Rendy! I made this as a source of info rather than a sales pitch, so anything people can get from it is great 👍
Such an amazing effort! As someone just beginning to learn of speakers I could not think of a better place to start!!!
Loving the video but i just thought i had to correct something. It's not the friction that causes the speaker to overheat, it's the wires in the circuit not being able to handle the current. in electricity when you send current though a wire a byproduct is heat(how traditional electric resistance stoves works.). if the wire is not rated for the current it will overheat and fail. My guess to solve this is you just use higher gauge wire rated to the current needed.
I’m sorry but you’re incorrect, when I’m talking about friction I’m talking about electrons and current- the cables are just fine and can handle far more than the 50-100W that the speaker is designed for. I could use 00 gauge wire right up to the speaker, and it wouldn’t stop it from damaging itself when it can’t dissipate heat through its own mechanisms.
Whilst current handling of wires is a valid concern, it’s not what’s in play here.
@@adamsteelproducer im not talking about the wires running into the speaker im talking about the wires inside the speakers coil itself if that makes any difference. i would suspect it has to do with the winds and rating for the coil wire inside that makes it allow the specific movement of electrons while being able to dissipate the heat properly. simply just increasing the thickness of this wire would cause a string of problems that would also need to be solved but its just math so maybe thats what they did for higher watt speakers.
It really doesn’t, any cabinet wired with unfit wire wouldn’t have passed inspection and been fit to sell under a hundred international laws…
@@adamsteelproducer again, im not talking about the cab. im referencing the part where hendrix was setting his speakers on fire by running a 15 or 25 watt rated speaker with a 100w amps. you were saying its due to friction, which if you are talking about friction of the electrons in the wire i could kind of see that but the way you said it sounded like you were saying it was the friction of the speaker physicaly moving. im talking about the coil winds in a 25w speaker being diff than a over 100w rated speaker and running them at higher than their rating.
Ok so to clarify - it was indeed friction in that case. But not at first, it’s a cascade failure.
First, the speakers get hot because they’re at or above their rated power handling and have no way to dissipate the heat. Then, the insulation on the copper voice coil breaks down and melts.
Then the voice coil is deformed and starts to rub against the sides of the internal frame. In the 60s, this entire assembly was made of flammable paper, so enough rubbing in a short time was like rubbing kindling into ignition. It would spark and light on stage and catch fire that way.
It can be replicated in lab conditions with speakers made of the same materials- modern speakers use different materials and designs less prone to ignition (including greenbacks, a reason why they don’t quite sound like they used to).
Now this is a video worth watching and listening to. Congratulations on the effort.
This really puts things into perspective and that's a understatement.
excellent, thank you for doing this.