Every washer will fail. The suspension in the Speed Queen (SQ) is certainly overbuilt for a residential model, and it should be for a true commercial style machine at its price point. One concern with the TC5 model, as with many other SQ models, is the absorbent cost and tedious method to replace the tub bearing/seal when it inevitably fails. We had a GE Profile top load washer purchased new in 2005 with the same "suspension rod philosophy." After 15 years of weekly use the transmission failed, we replaced it with a new LG top load machine. The LG has been trouble free. The GE never had a service call, in fact if I knew then what I know now about washers I would have replaced the transmission in the GE myself and kept the GE another 15 years. Anyone with an older style non-High Efficiency Washer (Maytag Dependable Care, Kenmore/Whirlpool Direct Drive, SQ) would be wise to repair that machine and keep it instead of settling for a modern machine.
@jjbanks3396: I sure wish I could have done that with my 1992 Maytag which had a leaking transmission and tub seal(s) which badly needed replacement. I imagine the cost would have been as much as buying a new washing machine. I paid $1,000 plus for a 2018 SPEED QUEEN TR5 SERIES WASHER. I needed a new washer really badly at the time not realizing that Consumer Reports gave it's washing performance very poor. The last 4 years of my 1992 Maytag it would walk around the laundry tub during the spin cycle even though the load was perfectly balanced.
I've been running a speed queen since 2005 bearings and seal have still not had a problem. Just bought a second speed queen which is an 08 model so I will run it at my house. The 05 is my moms
The repairs to the 92 Maytag (assuming a Dependable Care Model) would have been less than half the cost of the TR5. A simple DIY job. A hammer, spanner wrench and some elbow grease would have saved even more money.
Love my speed queen. Bought it about 14 years ago and our family have used it a lot. Averaging at least 12 loads a week. My wife winced at paying 750 bucks for it but I told her lets go for quality this time. The old one I could carry out by myself, this one I had my 2 boys help me get it in the pantry with some effort. Thing's a tank. My wife been happy since, it never bounces around like our former ones no matter how much we loaded it. This one has no computers, I'll happily fix anything on it that breaks in the future. It's earned it's keep.
Good to hear. I think we have to figure out, roughly, the cost per year of use. I bought my Sears Elite front load washer in 2007 for $1300.00 . I’m going to have a washer guy check it out just to make sure there are no maintenance issues, but it runs like a champ
I had same experience. After 5 years my wife managed to break the knob that controls the water temperature and it necessitated buying a new switch. It was
I bought a TC5 about 4 years ago and could not be happier. Unlike it is stated in this video, I don’t find the agitator aggressive at all and clothes come out sparkling clean. Also, several years back when I was looking to purchase, the Speed Queen dealer told me that Speed Queen had dropped the traditional transmission machine from their lineup in favor of the new TR line but received thousands of consumer complaints and sales dipped dramatically so low and behold the TC was reborn and brought back to the market. So what does that tell you?
Great statement! I just called the TC5 as well, and yes, you're right. My clothes have come out looking and feeling wonderful. The washer even has more laundry room smelling great!
My wife and I bought our first house in 1981. It came with an avacado green Kenmore washer and dryer, probably built by Whirlpool under contract in the late 1960s or early 1970s. It had the three rod suspension system but much stronger than is currently offered. Each rod was the diameter of my pinky finger and was mounted on each end in a "rubber ball" with a round metal circle about 1 1/2 inches in diameter that was welded onto the end of the suspension rod. Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s the weld broke on one of the suspension rods. The local Sears warehouse in Knoxville TN was able to get the replacement rod in about a week and I replaced it myself. The washer and dryer were still working well when we sold the house in 1999. The Kenmore washers and dryers now are not that well made. I do like the suspension better on the Speed Queen. The next time I need a washer and dryer I will get the TR7 or its equivalent when that happens. At my age that will be the last washer and dryer I need.
I could have got Whirlpool or Maytag at 40% off retail. After researching modern washing machines (post 2008) I found that most of them don't last more than 5 years. I bought new Speed Queen washer and dryer TR7 and DR7. Very happy I did
The best part about Speed Queen is that you don't have to worry about what you're putting into it. You throw your clothes in, press the button and 34 minutes later, they're clean. No out of balance, no redistributing towels or sheets because of the loud banging. It just works.
@@andrewlevine4376 Just to follow up on this, just yesterday I threw three rugs in there, and the washer didn't complain. Our last two washers would have shaken the house down with that load. They came out in 30 minutes clean and only slightly damp.
We've had our Speed Queen TR5 for 3 months now. It does one sometimes two loads a day, everyday. It has been a great machine. Solid as a rock. No shake, no bumping, just runs with surprisingly low noise. Much quieter than the GE Profile that it replaced. They cost a little more than the average brand names but I am very impressed with the quality. No more of the Big Box store thin tin can type of washers for us.
Are you still happy with it - does it clean your clothes to the degree you like?. I ask because the TR series have some controversy in that area. We are looking at one in a couple of months and trying to decide.
@@dj3114 We have not noticed any less cleaning than the GE Profile that it replaced. There is the difference of the smaller capacity tub, but it doesn't bother us. So far, no complaints. It is still the quietest and most sturdy of the last few washers we've had.
@@AVMAR Havent yet. For some reason, our front load Samsung has gone 15 years and still going. I was jokingly told that it should go to the Smithsonian. When it does give up the ghost (who knows when) we decided on the SQ front load. Spendy but the bride wants a front load again.
I live in an apt complex and we have a speed queen commercial washer out back. How awesome is it? My windows were leaking when it rained so I used at least 5 large beach towels one rainy night to soak up all the water. I placed them all in a trash bag and they weighed a good 40 pounds. I tossed them mf in the speed queen and prayed for a miracle. What happened? Speed got busy! OMG! I was left speechless. Heavy ass hell yet the washer did a 100 out of 10. Amazing.
SAME!!!! The washers and dryers at my college dorm which were Maytag didn't clean stupid crap! That was until I moved into my apartment complex where Speed Queen Laundry is.
The traditional agitation with transmission is not at all that aggressive and in comparison to front loaders, which are somewhat gentler on clothes, the difference is negligible. I know they want to sell more of the TR7, but I have a 17 year old speed Queen, which has the same flexi vane agitator as the TC5 and agitates the same. There is absolutely no problem with the agitation, but it does a better and faster job of cleaning than the TR7. I live in Australia and they don’t sell the TR7 here, because the agi-tub design of the TR7 is less effective than the traditional transmission driven agitation and that is what consumers want.
Great review and comparison between brands. I agree with the TR7 being the best. When I first purchased my TR7 I was disappointed in its ability to clean really dirty clothes compared to the classic. But I finally started using the P4 "super soiled" special cycle for most washes, and now see clean clothes, and about half of the lint in the dryer screen as the classic would give me. My clothes will definitely hold up longer.
@@cheynobi you’re welcome. I disabled the lid lock on mine so I could see the washing actions, and it really surprised me how aggressive the washing was on the “super soiled” setting. I have a first year 2018, but have read that the 19 and newer models have upgraded wash cycles in the firmware as well.
They are made in WI and are set to take a million pushes before a failure. Even then, it's a $400 replacement. That said, I doubt that the TC5 one would fail either.
I had it with computerized washers. I bought a speed queen with mechanical dials 8 yers ago and it’s listed more than any other washer I have ever had. No repairs, no problems. This is the 8th washer that I have had in 48 years. Well worth the expense as I had to special order.
Our GE is 9 years and runs well for its age...thinking Speed Queen is my next washing machine as I want something built to last. Not sure how many years ill get out of the GE.
My 35 year old Heavy Duty Kenmore is built like a tank. The rods that support the drum are huge not like the pencil rod ones you show. The outer drum is metal too so its a solidly built machine. Id like to see a SQ outperform it over 35+ years.
You're comparing an old Kenmore that today's version is built like a disposable appliance to today's Speed Queen. SQ is the only appliance built to last anymore.
@@FreedomsNurse A Speed Queen TC5, or if you can't bring yourself to pay over $1000 for a washer purchase a used Kenmore 90 series or Whirlpool (direct drive) non-HE model from a reputable used appliance dealer. The Kenmore/Whirlpool will cost a fraction of the Speed Queen and operate for many trouble-free years.
Much appreciate the inside scoop with visual tours of the inner assemblies across some of the manufacturers. I grew up in a family always having to go to laundry mats during the 70s and 80s. And those businesses operated with Speed Queen appliances. So, I became a big SQ fan and this is my top brand for whenever I need to replace my Frigidaire washer-dryer combo.
Chose the TR5 over the TR7 early in 2023. Was aware that the TR5 incorporated an electronic board, but still preferred the facing knobs for cycle control compared to the touch pad of the TR7. We have fairly simple, straightforward washing needs, so many of the TR7 options are superfluous. The five vs. seven year warranty was balanced by the up-front cost difference. Similar considerations for the matching driers. We've been pleased with the performance of the "Perfect Wash" action in the TR. Bottom line between the TR5 and TR7 to my mind is aesthetics and lifestyle/wash load needs.
We just bought the TR5. So far it has met our expectations. This unit replaced a Maytag "commercial" model that had to have its supension replaced and was going through actuators like they were popcorn at a movie. That old unit was 9 years old at the time of replacement. I think the TR7 is too expensive. Compared to the other brands (such as Maytag/Whirlpool) out there the TR5 was more expensive. I think it is worth every dime.
Does it fill to the top with water? I refuse to buy a new washer that takes 2.5 hours for a full load and uses too little water to clean clothes thoroughly
I bought a new Speed Queen front load washer a month ago. I’ve had the service tech out 4 times already. It vibrates so bad and walks off our cement board platform. Replacing all the shocks and balance ring now.
The fed rules for residential washers apply to Speed Queen as well. The guy in this vid is implying that you can buy a commercial washer from Speed Queen...you can't. The residential washers you can buy from a Speed Queen dealers are junk...just like all the rest...at higher prices. Commercial washing machines are only sold to businesses. If you buddy who runs a laundry he may be willing to order a commercial version of the Speed Queen for you, otherwise you're out of luck.
I’ve had my new ELux 7537 for about 2 years now and it’s been amazing at cleaning. However, I would totally choose the TR-7 if I had not the option of my ELux today. This was very helpful. Thank You!
My Maytag from 1983 still working strong. Had to replace the snubber hub pads once and I used 3M silicon paste on the pads as a lubricant which never wears out. Machine is perfect, quiet and strong during wash and spin. Would be very hard to get rid of. It is Almond and nothing comes in Almond anymore. I am considering buying Speed Queen electric dryer but it only comes in White and I'll have to paint is Almond to match my Maytag washer.
We currently have a whirlpool. Began to violently shake during spin cycles. I removed the 4 suspension rods and re-greased them. Still have the problem on larger loads, which I understand is common w/whirlpool. So anyway, I instantly recognized the cheap suspension rods when you showed them. We're looking at the TC5. Speed Queen suspensions look amazing!
I just spent the big money. I know how to repair my stuff. I hate all washers now. They do not clean......... I went to a full commercial washer Speed Queen. The laundromat guy was explaining why they are the best. I got to see the engineering of them. I was sold....... I just got the TR5 I think... best investment ever made. Rock sold system. Water filled to top. I buying 1 extra washer just incase government gets involved and changing rules again. Drying not worried. Wash my clothes, yes owwwww yes. Never ever going back. I will win this war about water. I live in Michigan. My water table is so high, if you dig down 1 foot you hit fresh water. My well is 60 feet down. If you open the cover of well, there is water at top. I think making rules the same, for all is wrong. Some states have lots of water. Some have no water left. Adapt a GPS to washer. If you live in Michigan no problem. If you live in California you have water saver system on. The system adapts. Stop the kindergarten rules..... penalizing all equally. Adapt to your environment, and where you live. And go buy a Speed Queen as fast as you can. Before the government banned those too.😊
It seems that our government has become COMMUNIST imposing all these rules about how our washing machines should be designed and everything else about how we should live.
I really like your videos. It appears that you have something against the TC5. You say it has aggressive agitation . You mention also a negative aspect to the computer module on this machine. The fancy TR7 with its computer board is more to break a more costly. I know SQ has a great warranty. There's no doubt. I have been looking at all the SQ models and TH-cam videos on their agitation and spin. I'm leaning toward the TC5 because I believe it will wash the clothes. I know it's a matter of opinion. The more technology, the more to break. That is the truth.
@josephcarreoniii6434: The old school Whirlpool and Sears Washers also have very aggressive agitation that would often damage old clothes but did they ever clean greatly. The Sears Kenmore Washers are often referred to as SHRED MORES. The washers had a long life too just short of Speed Queen 's and Maytag 's longevity.
@albertcarello619 I agree, but the Maytags of the 60's, 70's and 80's didn't have the aggressive agitation. I call them smooth running. My mother in law, brother and uncle had these model years and they were great machines. My mother had a whirlpool and yes it was aggressive with its wash action.
@@josephcarreoniii6434 The real cleaning champions of that era of the60s,70s, and 80s and before then are the Whirlpool and Sears Washers top loaders of course. They seemed to out clean the Maytags and most other brands. The GEs and NORGEs also clean greatly from that same era as well!
I would love to find a Maytag of the 1980's. My brother and his wife had a set for over 30 years. My uncle and aunt had one also. I know the agitation is smoother. I've witnessed them. I agree with you. They are so hard to find. I also like the smooth running sound. SQ is what I'm leaning toward, but the price. Wow!
My next machine for our large family will definitely be a speed queen. I will happily spend the money. Our whirlpool has broken down a number of times mostly pump clogs. I’ve fixed myself and not needed parts but I can tell this machine definitely suffers on basic loads sometimes.
I had a 1970s vintage rebuilt washer and dryer. They were brown in color. The dryer was Speed Queen and the washer was Kenmore. I replaced both with Speed Queen a few years ago. No fancy features, they just get the job done.
So do the newer washers just have sensors that don’t allow them to fill with water? I understand how a timer is better than an electronic board. My washer still has a mechanical timer thankfully
When you say regular stores what is your description of a regular store? Best Buy regular enough for you? They have them available, most small family owned dealers cary SQ. Made in Ripon Wisconsin
We purchased an LG top load machine in 2020 from a big box store. Only complainant is at year three the machine needed a deep clean to remove a bad odor from residue under the agitator and between the outer and inner tub. Pro tip, don't use fabric softener in any machine, but do use the extra rinse cycle if available on your machine.
I live in Brazil and here there is a brand called Brastemp. They were the first to manufacture washers here, back in the 1950's. I used to have a 1991 belt driven washer that lasted until a few months ago (I still have a 1989 dryer though). The brand was purchased by Whirlpool back in the 2000's and the quality has gone downhill. It is incredible how everything Whirlpool touches turns to mush.
Now could you order the parts to convert your SQ back to a mechanical timer? I have a kenmore elite that is 30 plus yeas old. I’ve replaced the pawls and the motor once each. Mechanical is strong like bull and lasts forever
I really really wish people would stop knocking down the Tc5 for aggressive agitation. The Bulky cycle has much less aggressive agitation, it's not properly labeled as such on the control panel, which makes it confusing for people who are trying to make the right decision.
I don't understand either. The TC5 is the same tried and true washing method that was used for decades until the new HE crap came along. Why is it now so "aggressive" and unneeded? The wash action on the Whirlpool Direct Drive machines is much more aggressive than the SQ TC5
In my opinion, the Whirlpool direct drives are ideal for tough fabrics. The Speed Queen Classic is just right for my laundry. I wear predominantly sturdy cottons.@@stevegordon5243
Most people are clueless that’s why. They’ll blame the washer before they ever consider it’s their poorly made Chinese sweat shop clothes that fall apart in 8 months in many cases.
I used four Speed Queens at a hotel. Two of them were programmed not to do a deep rinse. They just spray rinsed. The other two did a deep rinse. My two problems were dealing with fabric softener when there’s no deep rinse (Downy helps a lot with no-iron clothes looking presentable without ironing), and I’m a loyal Tide person. The Tide pods are great for front load, but the top load that uses a full tub of water uses too much water for the ratio of detergent. I had to use 5 pods to get anytrace of suds. I know suds don’t determine a good wash, but the white shirts I did with just three pods were not white and not clean by my standards. Maybe some bluing would have made the shirts white. I really love my Miele front load, and was really thrown out of my comfort zone with the detergent issue and the spray rinse. I wasn’t even aware that supermarkets no longer sold Tide powder. It made me feel really old. Tide liquid never was any good, and I’ve always known that. There are certain enzymes that can’t go in it because they have to be dry before activation and then lose their punch after a few minutes (why bleach is dispensed at he end of the wash, because it kills the enzymes.)
I hate the stupid spray rinse. This is why I use heavy soil on everything in my apartment complex. It gives a real deep rinse on the normal cycle, and I'm a loyal fabric softener user.
I have a customer that has a Speed Queen washer, non-classic, that is out of warranty, won't complete the cycle & blinks an error code. To paraphrase the service manual, it says it's either the control board or the motor & there is no way of knowing for sure, just start swapping parts until it works. Either part is over $450 & is not returnable. So if I change the board & it still has the same problem, then it's the motor & vice versa. It is possible that it could be both parts, but probably not. My question is who should eat the not needed part, me or the customer? As a professional, I think it's probably me, since I'm in the repair business. I could say both parts are needed to guarantee a fix, but that's untruthful & nobody is going to spend $900 for parts! I just want to save an otherwise beautiful machine from going to the junk yard & save my customer some money by fixing it, but I certainly don't want to lose money doing it. My opinion is: I didn't design it, I didn't build it, I didn't buy it, I didn't sell it, so why should I assume liability if my very well educated guess is wrong? I think Speed Queen should own up to this problem, but that will never happen. I thought they were the best & have told many a person to buy one. My opinion has changed with these new ones & I'm strongly considering not working on them anymore. Back in the good ol' days before they put computer boards on them, you could plug one in & it would last for 20 years easy! Not anymore.
Mine is doing the same thing & no one seems to know what the issue is, including Speed Queen. One of the repairmen reached out to SQ tech support or whatever they’re called, and was told it was the motherboard. It wasn’t. Machine still not completing a cycle. No way should this be happening with a 6 year old machine that cost nearly a grand. In hindsight, I should’ve purchased an extended warranty but figured I wouldn’t need due to the supposed reliability. I bought into the hype. At this point, I’m ready to give up & buy a new machine.
I’ve an older maybe 12 year old Speed Queen washer and dryer and was very apprehensive about whether or not I should attempt washing and drying bulky items like comforters
I haven't had good luck with high efficiency washer machines. The front loader I have now I really under load it and it takes like an hour and 20 minutes and when it goes I totally agree speed queen is the way to go! But the water here is cheap and from going to the laundry mat to getting high efficiency washer and washing at home the water bill seemed to not really change! How much water do these machine's use a load?
Also when we got our first high efficiency washer we bought the older style gas dryer and it drys fast! Our gas bill only increased like 3 bucks a month at the time washing and drying 3 to 5 loads a week!
We bought a Kenmore/Whirlpool washer-dryer combo when we moved in 2012. The washer is pretty much the same as the one you showed. We’re lucky because we only wash two or three loads per week (since it’s just my wife and me). If we had a larger family and had to do more loads per week, I’m not sure it would have lasted this long. My wife has already declared that our next washer will be a Speed Queen.
I've got a cheap, Frigidaire "Crown" series washer that I bought in 1997. It's been repaired one time, after I washed a load with roofing nails left in my jeans pockets. The repair was $67. I still use that washer, for the past 6 months I've been doing about two loads most days. The only problem with it is rust around the bleach dispenser. I have to wire brush it and touch it up with spray paint ever year or two.
It’s not that computers and screens are the problem but how they are made. I have a Maytag Neptune front load set MAH7500. It was manufactured Nov 2001 and is still going strong to this day. Only thing needed were bearings. The touchscreen has never given me problems.
Your government mandated theove to solid state if you live in the US. I believe that the excuse was that the electromechanical would fail and run excess water down the drain.
I’m a mechanic and this just isn’t true. Any car made after around the 1980s has electronics, and some brands like the Japanese just make a better product including electronics than let’s say the Germans.
@@SergiuM42I work with a lot of electronics I also drive pre 95 Benz. Electronics just have a lot more that can go wrong with them. I agree with you that you can use a nichicon capacitor and it's probably going to last a while but washing.machinebkamifactueres don't do that they use cheap Chinese capacitors that last 5 years if we are lucky.
I have an older ge washer and an RCA badged dryer which is actually made with ge parts. Both are the old mechanical timers no circuit boards. They were given to me free and used when I got them they are almost 30 years old the washer I have done nothing to. The dryer is electric and had both heating elements short and burn out replaced them and still works. As long as I can keep them working I won't buy new. The ge washer doesn't have many issues with out of balance loads
Initially I bought the standard big box store appliances on sale. Those were ‘placeholders’ and the washer didn’t last 3 years. After doing some research and learning about Speed Queen, a U.S. brand, I bought a TR7/DR7 set and I couldn’t be happier. They run at least 2x daily around here and make life easier. Don’t view it as more expensive - view it as cheaper over the years that follow.
are the front loading speed queen gas dryers good? What stackable, front loading gas dryer brand lasts the longest? I am hoping to find one that will last me 20+ years. I purchased an LG Tromm gas dryer - model # DLG8388WM - 20 years ago (Nov of 2004) from Home Depot and it has worked flawlessly and continues to work. The matching washer has also performed well but does leak so I simply turn off the water valves after every use. I would not be surprised if I get another 10 years from both of them. But, because of their age, I was looking into what else is out there and wonder if the quality of the LG is the same now as it was 20 years ago.
Great view of the Speed Queen's tub suspension! Really tells the story of it's durability. Thanks for making the video. The Speed Queen TR7 is the only Speed Queen that allows you to use warm water during the RINSE cycle. Based on research I've done, the TR7 is one of only two top-loading clothes washers that can use warm water during the rinse cycle (the other is the Samsung top loading washer, Model WA54CG7105AWUS). Using warm water cleans clothes better. However, the two downsides of the TR7 washer v. the TC5 washer in my mind are: (1) the TR7 does not allow for a deep fill, which the TC5 does, which means you can use more water to get your clothes, well, clean, and (2) the TR7 uses Speed Queen's weaker "Perfect Wash", while the TC5 uses Speed Queen's stronger "Classic Wash", meaning the TC5 has a stronger agitation. Also, the TR7 has a large electronics control board, providing more points of fail, while the TC5 has mostly manual controls.
I have a TR7. I’m still trying to accept the “perfect wash” thing. I didn’t know about it before buying, my fault I know. It does have a deep fill option, it’s just called “large” and it does fill up to the top. Unlike that GE commercial washer I have seen people mention does not fill as you’d expect I did notice that it’s great for smaller loads of wash because the auto fill works great and the agitation is more than adequate for smaller loads. While I know it can wash large blankets, I just don’t think they can ever physically get as clean as a washer with traditional transmission agitation. So in that case I just use a longer cycle and maybe extra rinse to give the blanket or larger load of clothes more time to swash around
@@appliance-insiderHow do you know this until it's been around long enough to rack of service calls around specific issues? Genuinely curious. I get the aversion to modern electronics. I'd prefer the Maytag 586 myself.
That is interesting. Speed Queen is good. However, I would be interested in their front load units. In the process of building a new home and will be buying new washing machine and dryer. Have a Miele now which I love but they really don't sell full sized laundry machines here anymore.
I have TR 7 top loader and love it. Speed Queen is the only front loader I would ever buy. Had front loaders etc, mold, mold and more mold. My Tr 7 set cost around $3000, front loaders are at least $1000 more. If you can swing it worth every cent.
I paid good money to get a TR5 washer and dryer, because I heard the brand was quite good. The washer would get stuck in a loop, sometimes it could pull itself out of it, but other times it could not. Unplugging it had to be for at least a full hour to somehow "reset" it, anything less would cause the loop to continue. A repair man came out about 3 times, swapped out control board, replaced the motor and still the problem persisted. I finally got Speed Queen to replace it, since I bought it when they had the ten year warranty included. Imagine my shock and horror when the same problem would sometimes happen in the new unit. If it was faulty wiring in my house, then it would stand to reason that the washer would get stuck in the loop every time, but this was not the case. Sometimes it would finish the full cycle without a hitch, other times it would take multiple hours to get through since I would have to unplug for an hour, and hope that it would finish the cycle successfully when I plugged it back in. Sometimes it would resume and be fine, other times it would get stuck again, and have to unplug it again. This thing has been a nightmare for me. This 25 second video shows the loop that it gets stuck in: www.mediafire.com/file/vk71vt3e2r2yjpu/Speed-Queen.mov/file Has anyone else had this problem?
I've heard it best described that if you are retired or white collar, you'll be happy with the TR series, If you are blue collar or you have some heavily soiled clothes, use the TC series.
I've heard nothing but good about Speed Queens. I have one of the first LG front loaders, it's about 20yrs old and does a great job once I figured out how to raise the water level. When it goes a Speed Queen will replace it.
Thanks for taking all the time required to make this video and showing some of the details of the washers. It's a lot harder than people think to make these types of videos. You say: "[p]eople don't need an aggressive washer". Not true. If people need, or want, and a more aggressive washer, the TC5 is better. The TC5's fixed tub and independent agitator pushe the clothes through the water, using friction of the clothes against each other to thoroughly clean clothes. The TR models all have the agitator fixed to the tub, meaning they move back and forth together, in an attempt to gently move water through the clothes. Meaning, the TR models are less aggressive at cleaning clothes. But cleaning clothes is the entire purpose of a washer. Also, the TR models only fill the tub to 70% capacity, where the TC5 fills to at least 95% of capacity. More water, better cleaning, better rinsing of the detergent and any additives a user may add to the wash. And you are correct: fabric softener is terrible on the washer's mechanics -- and on the clothes. A primary advantage of the TR7 over the other TR models and the TC5 is that the TR7 is the only washer that can use warm water during the RINSE cycle. The others only use cold water. Warm water does a better job of dissolving and rinsing away detergent, as well as rinsing away whatever that foreign material is that detergent manufacturers use to package their pods. BTW, that is a very simple electronics board you show for the TC5. Not sure where you got data that indicates the board is not reliable. You did not show the board behind the TR7, and you don't comment on its board. But you correctly point out that Alliance, who makes the Speed Queens, does test the TR7's buttons by pushing a test board's buttons one million times in their factory. The buttons are expected to last for 25 years.
Only problem with a SQ is they don’t make them in a large capacity washer. Something this small means I have to take my comforter to a dry cleaning facility to clean them. I can’t afford that every week or every other week. You may ask, why do I need to wash my comforter every week? Because I have a dog and the dog sometimes sleeps on the bed.
These are getting rare, I have a belt drive 1984 model 70 series, just replaced the wig wag shoes and solenoid assy. and timer with new, runs great and should last. This guy on here is full of crap, TR7 does "not" get dirty clothes clean and the TR/TC5 is just a copy of the washers that were standard except for $1350.00 and a circuit board that will fail.
Thank you for the information. My daughter will be buying a washer and I forwarded your videos. I will also be buying a washer and dryer soon. I’ve had my Kenmore Elite for almost 10 yrs. I need stackable though. What do you recommend?? Gracias.
I bought a set of Maytag Commercial. They are great, under $1k for each washer and dryer. 5 year parts and labor warranty. Its one level under Speed Queen yet has great agitation. Here's the model: MVWP586GW
& I also had a Kenmore Elite that was 20 years old. The Maytag Commercial washer is an upgrade from the Kenmore Elite, not a major upgrade but it is better. The dryer is almost 100% identical to the Kenmore Elite.
Considering a SQ, but read 100’s of comments about having to add vinegar to the cycle to stop suds from coming out of drain hole when it rinses/spins. That sounds crazy to have to babysit / do to such an expensive machine. Anyone have this problem or heard of having to do this ? Thanks in advance for answers.
Hi I know that Speed Queen is the best washing machine out there. Could you recommend me a good washing machine that doesn't cost so much.. because I live on a fixed income.. Thank you...🙂
It isn’t so much the mechanical timer, but how much water the machine uses. The consumer version 7003 which is mechanically pretty much the same has an electronic timer and controls. Where I live Speed Queen is pretty much the only brand you’ll see in laundromats.
I find it funny how the TC5 control board gets a bad wrap, for not being mechanical (which I would prefer) , but the TR7 is nothing but a control board. Shouldn't the TR7 have mechanical controls 🤔
I think is was that most think the TC3/TC5 have mechanical knobs and it actually isn't. In the digital models, there is no doubt they are digital. I'm confident both will last as long as the washer and if not, not overly expensive to change a board.
I replaced my Whirlpool with the entry level Speed Queen. There isn't any comparison. My Whirlpool was constantly getting out of balance. Not my Speed Queen.
After switching from my LG paper weight washer to a Speed Queen TC5 Classic clean first thing I noticed is you use less detergent, a lot less detergent.
I've gone through two Whirlpools in the last 10 years (Maytag and actual Whirlpool). The last Whirlpool I repaired a water intake valve after just a few years because it was making noise and leading to low flow. Then just a few weeks ago the pump failed. Had the repair guys out a couple times with various fixes and attempts (thought the shocks were bad, etc.) and after looking at the repair cost of a pump and knowing that the electronics are probably soon to fail I just got a Speed Queen TR7. Should have done that 10 years ago. I'd have spent the same amount of money...probably less in fact given the repair costs.
I have a circa 2014 Maytag Centennial model MVWC top load washer. The only service I've done so far is replace the suspension rods. That's it. OEM parts cost under $40 and any handy person can replace. So in my experience in 2024 cannot justify a SQ washer that cost more than 2.5x my Maytag.
Every washer will fail. The suspension in the Speed Queen (SQ) is certainly overbuilt for a residential model, and it should be for a true commercial style machine at its price point. One concern with the TC5 model, as with many other SQ models, is the absorbent cost and tedious method to replace the tub bearing/seal when it inevitably fails. We had a GE Profile top load washer purchased new in 2005 with the same "suspension rod philosophy." After 15 years of weekly use the transmission failed, we replaced it with a new LG top load machine. The LG has been trouble free.
The GE never had a service call, in fact if I knew then what I know now about washers I would have replaced the transmission in the GE myself and kept the GE another 15 years. Anyone with an older style non-High Efficiency Washer (Maytag Dependable Care, Kenmore/Whirlpool Direct Drive, SQ) would be wise to repair that machine and keep it instead of settling for a modern machine.
Great info. Thank you!
@jjbanks3396: I sure wish I could have done that with my 1992 Maytag which had a leaking transmission and tub seal(s) which badly needed replacement. I imagine the cost would have been as much as buying a new washing machine. I paid $1,000 plus for a 2018 SPEED QUEEN TR5 SERIES WASHER. I needed a new washer really badly at the time not realizing that Consumer Reports gave it's washing performance very poor. The last 4 years of my 1992 Maytag it would walk around the laundry tub during the spin cycle even though the load was perfectly balanced.
I've been running a speed queen since 2005 bearings and seal have still not had a problem. Just bought a second speed queen which is an 08 model so I will run it at my house. The 05 is my moms
Speed Queen Laundry is built tough because they know we want quality.
The repairs to the 92 Maytag (assuming a Dependable Care Model) would have been less than half the cost of the TR5. A simple DIY job. A hammer, spanner wrench and some elbow grease would have saved even more money.
Love my speed queen. Bought it about 14 years ago and our family have used it a lot. Averaging at least 12 loads a week. My wife winced at paying 750 bucks for it but I told her lets go for quality this time. The old one I could carry out by myself, this one I had my 2 boys help me get it in the pantry with some effort. Thing's a tank. My wife been happy since, it never bounces around like our former ones no matter how much we loaded it. This one has no computers, I'll happily fix anything on it that breaks in the future. It's earned it's keep.
I wash a couple loads of laundry a day and weekends I do more. I love my speed queen! It's a work horse and it's worth every penny.
Good to hear. I think we have to figure out, roughly, the cost per year of use. I bought my Sears Elite front load washer in 2007 for $1300.00 . I’m going to have a washer guy check it out just to make sure there are no maintenance issues, but it runs like a champ
I had same experience. After 5 years my wife managed to break the knob that controls the water temperature and it necessitated buying a new switch. It was
Can’t buy a Speed Queen for $750. More like $1200-1500
I bought a TC5 about 4 years ago and could not be happier. Unlike it is stated in this video, I don’t find the agitator aggressive at all and clothes come out sparkling clean. Also, several years back when I was looking to purchase, the Speed Queen dealer told me that Speed Queen had dropped the traditional transmission machine from their lineup in favor of the new TR line but received thousands of consumer complaints and sales dipped dramatically so low and behold the TC was reborn and brought back to the market. So what does that tell you?
Great statement! I just called the TC5 as well, and yes, you're right. My clothes have come out looking and feeling wonderful. The washer even has more laundry room smelling great!
My wife and I bought our first house in 1981. It came with an avacado green Kenmore washer and dryer, probably built by Whirlpool under contract in the late 1960s or early 1970s. It had the three rod suspension system but much stronger than is currently offered. Each rod was the diameter of my pinky finger and was mounted on each end in a "rubber ball" with a round metal circle about 1 1/2 inches in diameter that was welded onto the end of the suspension rod. Sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s the weld broke on one of the suspension rods. The local Sears warehouse in Knoxville TN was able to get the replacement rod in about a week and I replaced it myself. The washer and dryer were still working well when we sold the house in 1999. The Kenmore washers and dryers now are not that well made. I do like the suspension better on the Speed Queen. The next time I need a washer and dryer I will get the TR7 or its equivalent when that happens. At my age that will be the last washer and dryer I need.
Always use heavy duty for everyday loads whether you use fabric softener or not. I do use it. I have no issues.
I could have got Whirlpool or Maytag at 40% off retail. After researching modern washing machines (post 2008) I found that most of them don't last more than 5 years. I bought new Speed Queen washer and dryer TR7 and DR7. Very happy I did
The best part about Speed Queen is that you don't have to worry about what you're putting into it. You throw your clothes in, press the button and 34 minutes later, they're clean. No out of balance, no redistributing towels or sheets because of the loud banging. It just works.
And it doesn’t take hours
I love my speed queen!
I might get this because the people in my house don’t care how they load the wash. Everything in without a second thought or care in the world.
@@andrewlevine4376 Just to follow up on this, just yesterday I threw three rugs in there, and the washer didn't complain. Our last two washers would have shaken the house down with that load. They came out in 30 minutes clean and only slightly damp.
Absolutely! I just got my Speedqueen Classic and I will never go back.
We've had our Speed Queen TR5 for 3 months now. It does one sometimes two loads a day, everyday. It has been a great machine. Solid as a rock. No shake, no bumping, just runs with surprisingly low noise. Much quieter than the GE Profile that it replaced. They cost a little more than the average brand names but I am very impressed with the quality. No more of the Big Box store thin tin can type of washers for us.
Are you still happy with it - does it clean your clothes to the degree you like?. I ask because the TR series have some controversy in that area. We are looking at one in a couple of months and trying to decide.
@@dj3114 We have not noticed any less cleaning than the GE Profile that it replaced. There is the difference of the smaller capacity tub, but it doesn't bother us. So far, no complaints. It is still the quietest and most sturdy of the last few washers we've had.
@@oneeyedjack4727I am interested in purchasing, May I ask where you purchased your washer from?
@@dj3114 What did you end up going with ?
@@AVMAR Havent yet. For some reason, our front load Samsung has gone 15 years and still going. I was jokingly told that it should go to the Smithsonian. When it does give up the ghost (who knows when) we decided on the SQ front load. Spendy but the bride wants a front load again.
I live in an apt complex and we have a speed queen commercial washer out back. How awesome is it? My windows were leaking when it rained so I used at least 5 large beach towels one rainy night to soak up all the water. I placed them all in a trash bag and they weighed a good 40 pounds. I tossed them mf in the speed queen and prayed for a miracle. What happened? Speed got busy! OMG! I was left speechless. Heavy ass hell yet the washer did a 100 out of 10. Amazing.
SAME!!!! The washers and dryers at my college dorm which were Maytag didn't clean stupid crap! That was until I moved into my apartment complex where Speed Queen Laundry is.
I am just curious, why didn't you are least squeeze the water out of the towels in your kitchen sink or tub?
When will the new Speed Queen with the bigger tub come out ?
Will the TC3 / TC5 and TV2000 model get the water level selector it truly deserves ?
Do you have any observations or suggestions regarding well water or hard water? Such as top loaders being better for those conditions?
The traditional agitation with transmission is not at all that aggressive and in comparison to front loaders, which are somewhat gentler on clothes, the difference is negligible. I know they want to sell more of the TR7, but I have a 17 year old speed Queen, which has the same flexi vane agitator as the TC5 and agitates the same. There is absolutely no problem with the agitation, but it does a better and faster job of cleaning than the TR7. I live in Australia and they don’t sell the TR7 here, because the agi-tub design of the TR7 is less effective than the traditional transmission driven agitation and that is what consumers want.
Great review and comparison between brands. I agree with the TR7 being the best. When I first purchased my TR7 I was disappointed in its ability to clean really dirty clothes compared to the classic. But I finally started using the P4 "super soiled" special cycle for most washes, and now see clean clothes, and about half of the lint in the dryer screen as the classic would give me. My clothes will definitely hold up longer.
Thanks for this comment. I was thinking about the classic model but I really want to go with the newer model and some say it's not worth it.
@@cheynobi you’re welcome. I disabled the lid lock on mine so I could see the washing actions, and it really surprised me how aggressive the washing was on the “super soiled” setting. I have a first year 2018, but have read that the 19 and newer models have upgraded wash cycles in the firmware as well.
Question: on the Tr7 behind the control pad - what does it look like compared with the Mexico made on Tc5?
They are made in WI and are set to take a million pushes before a failure. Even then, it's a $400 replacement. That said, I doubt that the TC5 one would fail either.
I had it with computerized washers. I bought a speed queen with mechanical dials 8 yers ago and it’s listed more than any other washer I have ever had. No repairs, no problems. This is the 8th washer that I have had in 48 years. Well worth the expense as I had to special order.
Our GE is 9 years and runs well for its age...thinking Speed Queen is my next washing machine as I want something built to last. Not sure how many years ill get out of the GE.
My 35 year old Heavy Duty Kenmore is built like a tank. The rods that support the drum are huge not like the pencil rod ones you show. The outer drum is metal too so its a solidly built machine. Id like to see a SQ outperform it over 35+ years.
The problem is they don't make those anymore. What can I buy at the store todat?
@@FreedomsNurse true, and that's why I'm clinging on to mine like grim death. All new machines are flimsy and loaded with parts designed to fail.
You're comparing an old Kenmore that today's version is built like a disposable appliance to today's Speed Queen. SQ is the only appliance built to last anymore.
@@FreedomsNurse A Speed Queen TC5, or if you can't bring yourself to pay over $1000 for a washer purchase a used Kenmore 90 series or Whirlpool (direct drive) non-HE model from a reputable used appliance dealer. The Kenmore/Whirlpool will cost a fraction of the Speed Queen and operate for many trouble-free years.
Your right about that as i have the kenmore 70series washer had it for 18 years now and still running.@@jjbanks3396
Much appreciate the inside scoop with visual tours of the inner assemblies across some of the manufacturers. I grew up in a family always having to go to laundry mats during the 70s and 80s. And those businesses operated with Speed Queen appliances. So, I became a big SQ fan and this is my top brand for whenever I need to replace my Frigidaire washer-dryer combo.
This guy could sell anything, very skilled
Yeah,my thoughts exactly 🤔
Chose the TR5 over the TR7 early in 2023. Was aware that the TR5 incorporated an electronic board, but still preferred the facing knobs for cycle control compared to the touch pad of the TR7. We have fairly simple, straightforward washing needs, so many of the TR7 options are superfluous. The five vs. seven year warranty was balanced by the up-front cost difference. Similar considerations for the matching driers. We've been pleased with the performance of the "Perfect Wash" action in the TR. Bottom line between the TR5 and TR7 to my mind is aesthetics and lifestyle/wash load needs.
We just bought the TR5. So far it has met our expectations. This unit replaced a Maytag "commercial" model that had to have its supension replaced and was going through actuators like they were popcorn at a movie. That old unit was 9 years old at the time of replacement. I think the TR7 is too expensive. Compared to the other brands (such as Maytag/Whirlpool) out there the TR5 was more expensive. I think it is worth every dime.
Does it fill to the top with water? I refuse to buy a new washer that takes 2.5 hours for a full load and uses too little water to clean clothes thoroughly
Yes. Just stay away from normal eco. If you want clean clothes for everyday washing, use heavy duty. The heavy duty cycle is the real normal cycle.
I bought a new Speed Queen front load washer a month ago. I’ve had the service tech out 4 times already. It vibrates so bad and walks off our cement board platform. Replacing all the shocks and balance ring now.
Yikes! How frustrating.
The FF7? I’ve been considering buying one. Is the spin cycle also insanely loud as I’ve seen in other YT video comments?
That's awful - can't be common though or they couldn't / wouldn't be sold.
The fed rules for residential washers apply to Speed Queen as well. The guy in this vid is implying that you can buy a commercial washer from Speed Queen...you can't. The residential washers you can buy from a Speed Queen dealers are junk...just like all the rest...at higher prices. Commercial washing machines are only sold to businesses. If you buddy who runs a laundry he may be willing to order a commercial version of the Speed Queen for you, otherwise you're out of luck.
I’ve had my new ELux 7537 for about 2 years now and it’s been amazing at cleaning. However, I would totally choose the TR-7 if I had not the option of my ELux today. This was very helpful. Thank You!
My Maytag from 1983 still working strong. Had to replace the snubber hub pads once and I used 3M silicon paste on the pads as a lubricant which never wears out. Machine is perfect, quiet and strong during wash and spin. Would be very hard to get rid of. It is Almond and nothing comes in Almond anymore. I am considering buying Speed Queen electric dryer but it only comes in White and I'll have to paint is Almond to match my Maytag washer.
I don’t understand why you showed the behind the control panel for the tc5 and not the tr7, if your doing a comparison then show both of them.
I think it was that most think the TC5 has mechanical knobs. There is no doubt on the digital panel models.
We currently have a whirlpool. Began to violently shake during spin cycles. I removed the 4 suspension rods and re-greased them. Still have the problem on larger loads, which I understand is common w/whirlpool. So anyway, I instantly recognized the cheap suspension rods when you showed them. We're looking at the TC5. Speed Queen suspensions look amazing!
I just spent the big money. I know how to repair my stuff. I hate all washers now. They do not clean......... I went to a full commercial washer Speed Queen. The laundromat guy was explaining why they are the best. I got to see the engineering of them. I was sold....... I just got the TR5 I think... best investment ever made. Rock sold system. Water filled to top. I buying 1 extra washer just incase government gets involved and changing rules again. Drying not worried. Wash my clothes, yes owwwww yes. Never ever going back. I will win this war about water. I live in Michigan. My water table is so high, if you dig down 1 foot you hit fresh water. My well is 60 feet down. If you open the cover of well, there is water at top. I think making rules the same, for all is wrong. Some states have lots of water. Some have no water left. Adapt a GPS to washer. If you live in Michigan no problem. If you live in California you have water saver system on. The system adapts. Stop the kindergarten rules..... penalizing all equally. Adapt to your environment, and where you live. And go buy a Speed Queen as fast as you can. Before the government banned those too.😊
AND, they will change rules for them this year. New specs from the EPA for window air conditioner units, dishwashers and washing machines 2024.
It seems that our government has become COMMUNIST imposing all these rules about how our washing machines should be designed and everything else about how we should live.
I live in Texas and I have plenty of water. I'm sick and tired of this stupid crap! Always telling us how much water to use!
Oooo look at Mr. Moneybags over here buying an extra speed queen just in case the government gets involved
I’m still using my KitchenAid 3 speed washer and matching dryer from 1995. Both had 10 year motor warranty.
Didn't know KitchenAid made a washer. Today I figured Maytag is the KitchenAid of Whirlpool for washers.
I really like your videos. It appears that you have something against the TC5. You say it has aggressive agitation . You mention also a negative aspect to the computer module on this machine. The fancy TR7 with its computer board is more to break a more costly. I know SQ has a great warranty. There's no doubt. I have been looking at all the SQ models and TH-cam videos on their agitation and spin. I'm leaning toward the TC5 because I believe it will wash the clothes. I know it's a matter of opinion. The more technology, the more to break. That is the truth.
@josephcarreoniii6434: The old school Whirlpool and Sears Washers also have very aggressive agitation that would often damage old clothes but did they ever clean greatly. The Sears Kenmore Washers are often referred to as SHRED MORES. The washers had a long life too just short of Speed Queen 's and Maytag 's longevity.
@albertcarello619 I agree, but the Maytags of the 60's, 70's and 80's didn't have the aggressive agitation. I call them smooth running. My mother in law, brother and uncle had these model years and they were great machines. My mother had a whirlpool and yes it was aggressive with its wash action.
@@josephcarreoniii6434 The real cleaning champions of that era of the60s,70s, and 80s and before then are the Whirlpool and Sears Washers top loaders of course. They seemed to out clean the Maytags and most other brands. The GEs and NORGEs also clean greatly from that same era as well!
I would love to find a Maytag of the 1980's. My brother and his wife had a set for over 30 years. My uncle and aunt had one also. I know the agitation is smoother. I've witnessed them. I agree with you. They are so hard to find. I also like the smooth running sound. SQ is what I'm leaning toward, but the price. Wow!
My next machine for our large family will definitely be a speed queen. I will happily spend the money. Our whirlpool has broken down a number of times mostly pump clogs. I’ve fixed myself and not needed parts but I can tell this machine definitely suffers on basic loads sometimes.
I enjoy your passion for speed Queen. I’ve been through many and will only touch a speed Queen now
What year is that machine? I notice no computer or control board! Pre 2012?
Just the overall look of the SQ tells the story … excellent build quality .
I had a 1970s vintage rebuilt washer and dryer. They were brown in color. The dryer was Speed Queen and the washer was Kenmore. I replaced both with Speed Queen a few years ago. No fancy features, they just get the job done.
How did you bypass the lid lock?
what di you use to by pass the lid switch
So do the newer washers just have sensors that don’t allow them to fill with water? I understand how a timer is better than an electronic board. My washer still has a mechanical timer thankfully
Sure wish Speed Queen were sold in regular stores. Just bought an LG, wish I had known about Speed Queen!
LG is second best to the speed queen, don’t worry too much
@@Ikey04-ge9gy That's good to know!
When you say regular stores what is your description of a regular store? Best Buy regular enough for you? They have them available, most small family owned dealers cary SQ. Made in Ripon Wisconsin
@@donholzer898 I haven't seen them in Best Buy, or Lowes, or Home Depot. My regular stores. But I know to look for them now 🙂
We purchased an LG top load machine in 2020 from a big box store. Only complainant is at year three the machine needed a deep clean to remove a bad odor from residue under the agitator and between the outer and inner tub. Pro tip, don't use fabric softener in any machine, but do use the extra rinse cycle if available on your machine.
I live in Brazil and here there is a brand called Brastemp. They were the first to manufacture washers here, back in the 1950's. I used to have a 1991 belt driven washer that lasted until a few months ago (I still have a 1989 dryer though). The brand was purchased by Whirlpool back in the 2000's and the quality has gone downhill. It is incredible how everything Whirlpool touches turns to mush.
Now could you order the parts to convert your SQ back to a mechanical timer? I have a kenmore elite that is 30 plus yeas old. I’ve replaced the pawls and the motor once each.
Mechanical is strong like bull and lasts forever
I really really wish people would stop knocking down the Tc5 for aggressive agitation. The Bulky cycle has much less aggressive agitation, it's not properly labeled as such on the control panel, which makes it confusing for people who are trying to make the right decision.
I'd mostly use heavy duty for my laundry. I want clothes cleaned. Washers are aggressive on normal and heavy duty cycles for a reason.
I don't understand either. The TC5 is the same tried and true washing method that was used for decades until the new HE crap came along. Why is it now so "aggressive" and unneeded? The wash action on the Whirlpool Direct Drive machines is much more aggressive than the SQ TC5
In my opinion, the Whirlpool direct drives are ideal for tough fabrics. The Speed Queen Classic is just right for my laundry. I wear predominantly sturdy cottons.@@stevegordon5243
Most people are clueless that’s why. They’ll blame the washer before they ever consider it’s their poorly made Chinese sweat shop clothes that fall apart in 8 months in many cases.
And so we have to counsel the dirt out of our clothes instead of giving it the ass whooping of its life!@@Matthew-ip6xl
I used four Speed Queens at a hotel. Two of them were programmed not to do a deep rinse. They just spray rinsed. The other two did a deep rinse. My two problems were dealing with fabric softener when there’s no deep rinse (Downy helps a lot with no-iron clothes looking presentable without ironing), and I’m a loyal Tide person. The Tide pods are great for front load, but the top load that uses a full tub of water uses too much water for the ratio of detergent. I had to use 5 pods to get anytrace of suds. I know suds don’t determine a good wash, but the white shirts I did with just three pods were not white and not clean by my standards. Maybe some bluing would have made the shirts white. I really love my Miele front load, and was really thrown out of my comfort zone with the detergent issue and the spray rinse. I wasn’t even aware that supermarkets no longer sold Tide powder. It made me feel really old. Tide liquid never was any good, and I’ve always known that. There are certain enzymes that can’t go in it because they have to be dry before activation and then lose their punch after a few minutes (why bleach is dispensed at he end of the wash, because it kills the enzymes.)
Never use faberic softner. Thats the rule. Will ruin you washer too. Gets all gummed up, its gross.
I hate the stupid spray rinse. This is why I use heavy soil on everything in my apartment complex. It gives a real deep rinse on the normal cycle, and I'm a loyal fabric softener user.
Where would Mr. Insider rank the previous classic model (awn412sp111tw01) which had mechanical controls rather than the newer computer controls?
I have a customer that has a Speed Queen washer, non-classic, that is out of warranty, won't complete the cycle & blinks an error code. To paraphrase the service manual, it says it's either the control board or the motor & there is no way of knowing for sure, just start swapping parts until it works. Either part is over $450 & is not returnable. So if I change the board & it still has the same problem, then it's the motor & vice versa. It is possible that it could be both parts, but probably not. My question is who should eat the not needed part, me or the customer? As a professional, I think it's probably me, since I'm in the repair business. I could say both parts are needed to guarantee a fix, but that's untruthful & nobody is going to spend $900 for parts! I just want to save an otherwise beautiful machine from going to the junk yard & save my customer some money by fixing it, but I certainly don't want to lose money doing it. My opinion is: I didn't design it, I didn't build it, I didn't buy it, I didn't sell it, so why should I assume liability if my very well educated guess is wrong? I think Speed Queen should own up to this problem, but that will never happen. I thought they were the best & have told many a person to buy one. My opinion has changed with these new ones & I'm strongly considering not working on them anymore. Back in the good ol' days before they put computer boards on them, you could plug one in & it would last for 20 years easy! Not anymore.
Mine is doing the same thing & no one seems to know what the issue is, including Speed Queen. One of the repairmen reached out to SQ tech support or whatever they’re called, and was told it was the motherboard. It wasn’t. Machine still not completing a cycle. No way should this be happening with a 6 year old machine that cost nearly a grand. In hindsight, I should’ve purchased an extended warranty but figured I wouldn’t need due to the supposed reliability. I bought into the hype. At this point, I’m ready to give up & buy a new machine.
Where do you find Speed. Queen washers? I've never seen them at major retailers like Best Buy,Home Depot,Lowes etc.
They are at small independent mom n pop appliance retailers. Do a google map search for "Speed Queen" and they'll pop up
They are not sold at big box stores. Look for your local appliance shops, you should have one that sells SQ locally.
I’ve an older maybe 12 year old Speed Queen washer and dryer and was very apprehensive about whether or not I should attempt washing and drying bulky items like comforters
I haven't had good luck with high efficiency washer machines. The front loader I have now I really under load it and it takes like an hour and 20 minutes and when it goes I totally agree speed queen is the way to go! But the water here is cheap and from going to the laundry mat to getting high efficiency washer and washing at home the water bill seemed to not really change! How much water do these machine's use a load?
Also when we got our first high efficiency washer we bought the older style gas dryer and it drys fast! Our gas bill only increased like 3 bucks a month at the time washing and drying 3 to 5 loads a week!
We bought a Kenmore/Whirlpool washer-dryer combo when we moved in 2012. The washer is pretty much the same as the one you showed. We’re lucky because we only wash two or three loads per week (since it’s just my wife and me). If we had a larger family and had to do more loads per week, I’m not sure it would have lasted this long. My wife has already declared that our next washer will be a Speed Queen.
I still have my LG Tromm front loader I bought in 2007, I even tweeked it and remotely raised the water levels, it still works like a champ.
Thank for adding to my already leaning towards the Tr7… your advice and comparison was the clincher for me👍😊
I've got a cheap, Frigidaire "Crown" series washer that I bought in 1997. It's been repaired one time, after I washed a load with roofing nails left in my jeans pockets. The repair was $67. I still use that washer, for the past 6 months I've been doing about two loads most days. The only problem with it is rust around the bleach dispenser. I have to wire brush it and touch it up with spray paint ever year or two.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with mechanical knobs. They have been used for decades. Moving to electronic boards is just planned obsolescence.
It’s not that computers and screens are the problem but how they are made. I have a Maytag Neptune front load set MAH7500. It was manufactured Nov 2001 and is still going strong to this day. Only thing needed were bearings. The touchscreen has never given me problems.
Your government mandated theove to solid state if you live in the US. I believe that the excuse was that the electromechanical would fail and run excess water down the drain.
Same goes with automobiles.🙄👍
I’m a mechanic and this just isn’t true. Any car made after around the 1980s has electronics, and some brands like the Japanese just make a better product including electronics than let’s say the Germans.
@@SergiuM42I work with a lot of electronics I also drive pre 95 Benz. Electronics just have a lot more that can go wrong with them. I agree with you that you can use a nichicon capacitor and it's probably going to last a while but washing.machinebkamifactueres don't do that they use cheap Chinese capacitors that last 5 years if we are lucky.
I have an older ge washer and an RCA badged dryer which is actually made with ge parts. Both are the old mechanical timers no circuit boards. They were given to me free and used when I got them they are almost 30 years old the washer I have done nothing to. The dryer is electric and had both heating elements short and burn out replaced them and still works. As long as I can keep them working I won't buy new. The ge washer doesn't have many issues with out of balance loads
I got my washer and dryer from my Mom that use to use I had get four prong cord replaced the dryer
Initially I bought the standard big box store appliances on sale. Those were ‘placeholders’ and the washer didn’t last 3 years. After doing some research and learning about Speed Queen, a U.S. brand, I bought a TR7/DR7 set and I couldn’t be happier. They run at least 2x daily around here and make life easier. Don’t view it as more expensive - view it as cheaper over the years that follow.
Didn’t even show the inside of the TR7 control board like you said 😂 seems like that one has more to it
As I understand it, they are rated for a million pushes. If it does wear out, you can get a replacement panel for between 3 and 4 hundred.
In the market for a set in July 2024. Will get a Speed Queen set probably the FF7 and DF7.
I've had this set for 4 years now. Couldn't be happier.
Thanks James. Been all over on the review circuit. But all roads still come back to Speed Queen. Saving my coins now pun intended lol.
Where can I buy the washing machine? Let me know.
Hey. What's their new top loader coming out next year from Speed Queen Laundry?
TC9 ?
What agitator will it have? How will it agitate?@@appliance-insider
@@appliance-insiderSpeed Queen should make some front load washers with the letter Q on the door glass
The washers that do not fill to top have a great slime coating on the outside drum. Molds and bacteria growing like wild.
are the front loading speed queen gas dryers good? What stackable, front loading gas dryer brand lasts the longest? I am hoping to find one that will last me 20+ years. I purchased an LG Tromm gas dryer - model # DLG8388WM - 20 years ago (Nov of 2004) from Home Depot and it has worked flawlessly and continues to work. The matching washer has also performed well but does leak so I simply turn off the water valves after every use. I would not be surprised if I get another 10 years from both of them. But, because of their age, I was looking into what else is out there and wonder if the quality of the LG is the same now as it was 20 years ago.
I have a 22 year old whirlpool Calypso still washing like new with the matching dryer
Does it have a model number???
Great view of the Speed Queen's tub suspension! Really tells the story of it's durability. Thanks for making the video.
The Speed Queen TR7 is the only Speed Queen that allows you to use warm water during the RINSE cycle. Based on research I've done, the TR7 is one of only two top-loading clothes washers that can use warm water during the rinse cycle (the other is the Samsung top loading washer, Model WA54CG7105AWUS). Using warm water cleans clothes better. However, the two downsides of the TR7 washer v. the TC5 washer in my mind are: (1) the TR7 does not allow for a deep fill, which the TC5 does, which means you can use more water to get your clothes, well, clean, and (2) the TR7 uses Speed Queen's weaker "Perfect Wash", while the TC5 uses Speed Queen's stronger "Classic Wash", meaning the TC5 has a stronger agitation. Also, the TR7 has a large electronics control board, providing more points of fail, while the TC5 has mostly manual controls.
I have a TR7. I’m still trying to accept the “perfect wash” thing. I didn’t know about it before buying, my fault I know.
It does have a deep fill option, it’s just called “large” and it does fill up to the top. Unlike that GE commercial washer I have seen people mention does not fill as you’d expect
I did notice that it’s great for smaller loads of wash because the auto fill works great and the agitation is more than adequate for smaller loads. While I know it can wash large blankets, I just don’t think they can ever physically get as clean as a washer with traditional transmission agitation. So in that case I just use a longer cycle and maybe extra rinse to give the blanket or larger load of clothes more time to swash around
How loud is the TC5 in comparison to washers of other brands ? It is good for an apartment?
Quiet like a weasel...
What's the impact of the lower water use requirements on SQ's ability to wash?
Where is your store, I would like t buy a speed queen from your shop
What supports the actual weight of the tub?
A steel base
Like the videos. Can you review the GE all in one unit. Would u buy it?
I would not buy it, it is a maintenance disaster waiting to happen
@@appliance-insiderHow do you know this until it's been around long enough to rack of service calls around specific issues?
Genuinely curious. I get the aversion to modern electronics. I'd prefer the Maytag 586 myself.
@@MadLadsAnonymoussimple answer? It does two jobs in one.
Tell me…is that a good thing? I think not.
So, is the tr7's board not made in Mexico?
That is interesting. Speed Queen is good. However, I would be interested in their front load units. In the process of building a new home and will be buying new washing machine and dryer. Have a Miele now which I love but they really don't sell full sized laundry machines here anymore.
I have TR 7 top loader and love it. Speed Queen is the only front loader I would ever buy. Had front loaders etc, mold, mold and more mold. My Tr 7 set cost around $3000, front loaders are at least $1000 more. If you can swing it worth every cent.
Get the new LG combo unit (WM6998). It's on sale for $2k and has an optional pedestal washer with impeller for smaller loads.
I paid good money to get a TR5 washer and dryer, because I heard the brand was quite good. The washer would get stuck in a loop, sometimes it could pull itself out of it, but other times it could not. Unplugging it had to be for at least a full hour to somehow "reset" it, anything less would cause the loop to continue. A repair man came out about 3 times, swapped out control board, replaced the motor and still the problem persisted. I finally got Speed Queen to replace it, since I bought it when they had the ten year warranty included. Imagine my shock and horror when the same problem would sometimes happen in the new unit. If it was faulty wiring in my house, then it would stand to reason that the washer would get stuck in the loop every time, but this was not the case. Sometimes it would finish the full cycle without a hitch, other times it would take multiple hours to get through since I would have to unplug for an hour, and hope that it would finish the cycle successfully when I plugged it back in. Sometimes it would resume and be fine, other times it would get stuck again, and have to unplug it again. This thing has been a nightmare for me. This 25 second video shows the loop that it gets stuck in: www.mediafire.com/file/vk71vt3e2r2yjpu/Speed-Queen.mov/file Has anyone else had this problem?
Make sure your outlet is properly grounded. with all the electronics a bad ground will "confuse" the electronic circuitry.
We bought a washer in 2018 and my washer doest spin dry and doest drain Should I buy a another washer machine
I can’t decide between the tr5 and tc5. I like the options of the tr5 but the reviews seem to lean it doesn’t clean. Any thoughts?
I've heard it best described that if you are retired or white collar, you'll be happy with the TR series, If you are blue collar or you have some heavily soiled clothes, use the TC series.
I like the old speed queen agitation instead of this newer swishing water back and forth like the newer washer in the market without the agitator.
I've heard nothing but good about Speed Queens. I have one of the first LG front loaders, it's about 20yrs old and does a great job once I figured out how to raise the water level. When it goes a Speed Queen will replace it.
That´s the one that I would love to have down here in Panama.
Thanks for taking all the time required to make this video and showing some of the details of the washers. It's a lot harder than people think to make these types of videos.
You say: "[p]eople don't need an aggressive washer". Not true. If people need, or want, and a more aggressive washer, the TC5 is better. The TC5's fixed tub and independent agitator pushe the clothes through the water, using friction of the clothes against each other to thoroughly clean clothes. The TR models all have the agitator fixed to the tub, meaning they move back and forth together, in an attempt to gently move water through the clothes. Meaning, the TR models are less aggressive at cleaning clothes. But cleaning clothes is the entire purpose of a washer. Also, the TR models only fill the tub to 70% capacity, where the TC5 fills to at least 95% of capacity. More water, better cleaning, better rinsing of the detergent and any additives a user may add to the wash. And you are correct: fabric softener is terrible on the washer's mechanics -- and on the clothes.
A primary advantage of the TR7 over the other TR models and the TC5 is that the TR7 is the only washer that can use warm water during the RINSE cycle. The others only use cold water. Warm water does a better job of dissolving and rinsing away detergent, as well as rinsing away whatever that foreign material is that detergent manufacturers use to package their pods.
BTW, that is a very simple electronics board you show for the TC5. Not sure where you got data that indicates the board is not reliable. You did not show the board behind the TR7, and you don't comment on its board. But you correctly point out that Alliance, who makes the Speed Queens, does test the TR7's buttons by pushing a test board's buttons one million times in their factory. The buttons are expected to last for 25 years.
Only problem with a SQ is they don’t make them in a large capacity washer. Something this small means I have to take my comforter to a dry cleaning facility to clean them. I can’t afford that every week or every other week. You may ask, why do I need to wash my comforter every week? Because I have a dog and the dog sometimes sleeps on the bed.
I miss old school Kenmore washers with knobs only no electronics. 😑
These are getting rare, I have a belt drive 1984 model 70 series, just replaced the wig wag shoes and solenoid assy. and timer with new, runs great and should last. This guy on here is full of crap, TR7 does "not" get dirty clothes clean and the TR/TC5 is just a copy of the washers that were standard except for $1350.00 and a circuit board that will fail.
@@jumpinjack1 If I wasn't on a budget I would get all Speed Queen machines. 😑
TYVM, the next washer I purchase will be a speedqueen.
My apartment complex has Speed Queen Laundry.
Would like to disable the lid lock on my TR 5, that’s my only issue with my Speed Queen.
The tc5 and tv 2000 dont have a lid lock
Thank you for the information. My daughter will be buying a washer and I forwarded your videos. I will also be buying a washer and dryer soon. I’ve had my Kenmore Elite for almost 10 yrs. I need stackable though. What do you recommend?? Gracias.
I bought a set of Maytag Commercial. They are great, under $1k for each washer and dryer. 5 year parts and labor warranty. Its one level under Speed Queen yet has great agitation. Here's the model: MVWP586GW
& I also had a Kenmore Elite that was 20 years old. The Maytag Commercial washer is an upgrade from the Kenmore Elite, not a major upgrade but it is better. The dryer is almost 100% identical to the Kenmore Elite.
I cant afford a speed queen .can you tell me another washer machine that is a good machine.
Look for an older (early 2000s or before) used speed queen. It's worth it even if you have to fix it before using it.
Considering a SQ, but read 100’s of comments about having to add vinegar to the cycle to stop suds from coming out of drain hole when it rinses/spins. That sounds crazy to have to babysit / do to such an expensive machine. Anyone have this problem or heard of having to do this ? Thanks in advance for answers.
Use less soap
I had this problem also on my 2017 model Less soap does the trick
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP ❤😊
Hi I know that Speed Queen is the best washing machine out there. Could you recommend me a good washing machine that doesn't cost so much.. because I live on a fixed income..
Thank you...🙂
Fisher and Paykal
I have this speedqueen in black and the front loader I like them both
my wide believes those center agitator poles are rough on clothes or can rip them ..: thoughts?
I disagree.
@@jeromedavis8575 Good.
They arent. There is litterally a delicate cycle. Top loaders tearing up clothes is a myth.
@@Warp2090 I've NEVER had clothes torn from the Speed Queen Classic Clean.
@@jeromedavis8575 Yeah.
It isn’t so much the mechanical timer, but how much water the machine uses. The consumer version 7003 which is mechanically pretty much the same has an electronic timer and controls. Where I live Speed Queen is pretty much the only brand you’ll see in laundromats.
I find it funny how the TC5 control board gets a bad wrap, for not being mechanical (which I would prefer) , but the TR7 is nothing but a control board. Shouldn't the TR7 have mechanical controls 🤔
I think is was that most think the TC3/TC5 have mechanical knobs and it actually isn't. In the digital models, there is no doubt they are digital. I'm confident both will last as long as the washer and if not, not overly expensive to change a board.
Did I miss the connection between how government imposed water use restrictions are related to the mechanical timer?
I replaced my Whirlpool with the entry level Speed Queen. There isn't any comparison. My Whirlpool was constantly getting out of balance. Not my Speed Queen.
By entry level, do you mean the T3?
After switching from my LG paper weight washer to a Speed Queen TC5 Classic clean first thing I noticed is you use less detergent, a lot less detergent.
What do recommend for someone that can’t really afford the Speed Queen?
GE 465
Old Maytag
LG front loaders
I've gone through two Whirlpools in the last 10 years (Maytag and actual Whirlpool). The last Whirlpool I repaired a water intake valve after just a few years because it was making noise and leading to low flow. Then just a few weeks ago the pump failed. Had the repair guys out a couple times with various fixes and attempts (thought the shocks were bad, etc.) and after looking at the repair cost of a pump and knowing that the electronics are probably soon to fail I just got a Speed Queen TR7. Should have done that 10 years ago. I'd have spent the same amount of money...probably less in fact given the repair costs.
What do think cleans your clothes besides detergent?? 💧 Water.
I've never had an issue with softener use. I use heavy duty for everything.
True statement you made at 1:34, "They bought the name and ruin it".
I have a circa 2014 Maytag Centennial model MVWC top load washer. The only service I've done so far is replace the suspension rods. That's it. OEM parts cost under $40 and any handy person can replace. So in my experience in 2024 cannot justify a SQ washer that cost more than 2.5x my Maytag.
I want to know why you use a tr and not a tc for your house. That's a little weird to me.