We've had the LG Wash Tower Ventless for about 2 years and it has been 100% trouble free so far! Solid performance. Have several littles in the house and we're doing laundry all the time. Big capacity, and energy efficient. Ventless all the way!
@@TheBOOKofJOSEPHno increase in humidity levels since the system is closed while it dries and the water (condensate) gets pumped out and down the drain. Noise level is about the same for me but others claim it’s quieter.
@@DeuceDeuceBravo To the LG one we have has a 2 stage lint filter. It is effective. Once a year, I vacuum out the machine and haven't found over accumulation to be an issue. The 2 biggest things that have been major improvements on the traditional Whirlpool machines that came with our house were: 1) Ability to relocate without extensive renovations to run a vent, drain, etc We had a closet that was unused that back up against a toilet. Opened up the wall, tied in drain to the bathroom piping and fixtures. Electric was a breeze too. The project would have been exponentially more expensive if we didn't have the ventless option. 2) The efficiency and energy savings is much better than what we had. The old whirlpool machines that came with the house died. They were from 2004 and a regular load of washing used 3x as much water as the LG one does. Looking at the energy stats for our machine, in 2.4 years we've done a total of 1612 wash or drying cycles. In that time, our energy consumption has been 1044.063kWh. The previous 1.2 years saw us use 1899.64kWh of electricity. If you're moving from a more modern energy start appliance the change won't be as drastic, but in our case, we couldn't be happier with the decision.
@@TheBOOKofJOSEPH We relocated washer and dryer from the garage into a renovated closet space on the back of our guest bathroom. In terms of noise, unless you are in that bathroom, we don't hear it. I just used a db meter to see if it could pick up the noise from the machine that is currently running washer and dryer simultaneously. I am in the living room about 30 ft away and separated by 1 wall. Db Meter is not picking up anything. In terms of humidity, the LG tower doesn't release humidity into the room. Ventless heat pump machines don't need to get as hot as traditional machines, and any condensation that is created get recycled from the dryer down to the washer. I wash the drain hose every 6 months or so that connects the dryer to the washer (dryer is stacked on top of washer). All that to say, because it's ventless, it doesn't release moisture into the closet. Humidity is a non-issue.
Switched my standard electric dryer for the LG 7.8cf heat pump dryer. Old dryer was 2019 energy star LG and pulled 6200w per the label. New dryer pulls 830w per the label. It's the bomb. And what you said about the air being sucked out. I removed the vent pipe and capped the hole. During the winter my old dryer when not in use would be 10 degrees colder than room temp due to the cold air infiltration and the laundry room stayed cold in the winter. Fixed that issue with the swap. Also notice a substantial reduction in lint in that room. The LG has a large access door on the front of the machine to clean the coil. Piece of cake. Super quiet, direct drive, DC motor with no belt. Cost $1100. Worth every penny, suspect full payback in a couple years.
As a European I really don’t understand why anyone is still using vent dryers. My mom got a condenser dryer in the 1990s. And we don’t even use our dryer often. Just in the winter for towels. Everything else we hang out except for winter where we use some room in the house. If you have controlled ventilation it will dry your laundry for free.
@@spencerhall4452 I haven't looked it up, but there's no reason an appliance designed to use 830W should need 220V. Plenty of 120V appliances in North America use more power than that: toasters, microwaves, waffle irons, space heaters, hair dryers....
Back in energy crisis days (late 1970’s) folks ran the dryer outlet into their basements. To trap the lint, they would tape panty hose over the 4” outlet. It was weird to be in the basement when the dryer came on and a pair of legs inflated and wiggled around.
I have this washer, and I love it. I bought a $30 mini-vac that takes Makita batteries, and an $8 skinny sucking attachment and I don’t have a spec of lint on the radiator. It takes 30 seconds, I use it after every load. And the unit is super quiet.
We have two sets of Miele washers & heat pump dryers stacked side-by-side (somewhat the same as yours, but the washers have the TwinDos system). We can fit way more than 3 or 4 towels in each one. We’ve found out that we could have gotten away with just one set, but two are really handy and gives you options. Keep in mind that these are European machines, but Europeans ALSO have large families and use these. For our dryers, the only thing we do other than cleaning the regular lint filter is clean the plinth filer about once a month. We actually bought a couple spare plinth filters so that there’s always one to “hot-swap” and keep in service while the dirty one gets washed out. We’ve had this set up for about 2 years, and the condenser coils are as clean as a whistle. If they ever need to be cleaned, Miele makes a brush attachment for their canister vacs to clean the condenser area. I can’t speak to the GE, LG, Samsung, or other manufacturers’ offerings, but we’re over the moon pleased so far with the Mieles.
Yep, I was laughing at its attempts (in the video) to calculate the KWH and Cost per year for a regular washer and dryer. It obviously didn't comprehend the formula.
We've had the same exact GE combo unit for about 4 months. It's been great in general, but for our family there is one caveat - you can't wash and dry at the same time (obviously!!). But the *total* time for doing multiple loads back-to-back is significantly longer, which we didn't realise before making the purchase.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD Not necessarily. If you're laundry is an open basement, which many in northern us climates are... it has plenty of space to disperse that heat and humidity. My laundry is on my main floor and our dryer vent drops into an unfinished but still enclosed area of the basement (storage room) between the joists. Would I do a vent into that room? No. Those who can do this are likely to already be in older homes that aren't sealed tight or insulated like newer homes and finished basements are.
Another way to use a regular dryer and minimize impact on indoor air volume is to use a ducted intake from the outside directly to the back of the dryer. There’s a grill or air intake slots on the back of the dryer. The intake duct can be routed up like a snorkel for access and insulated.
I suspect many people watching this video would like to learn more about ducted intake to a dryer. Can you tell us more? Linos? Other people who have done this?
We have the Samsung all in one ventless combo dryer and its been flawless. We use a $30 black and decker dustbuster to clean the lint filter which should cut down on the amount of lint that makes it to the condenser. Honestly everyone with a ventless combo unit like this should use a dustbuster to clean the lint tray. Also the samsung has a cleaning cycle it runs on the condenser that removes the lint build up. Very well built unit.
I recently went with the Samsung unit! I saw Ben's repair & junk appliances video teardown on these units - I really hate how the Samsung is so "appy", but one thing he pointed out - Samsung dryer actually dried the clothes in all his tests, and it has a cycle that keeps the fins clean made me go for it. Good thing hear the GE is working for Matt though. These new units rock - we start it before hitting the gym, clothes are clean and dry when we come back! You just have to adapt your schedule.
one other perk to the Samsung I've been enjoying - auto dispensing detergent from the reservoir, and this process being tied to the filter plug (so when you refill the tank, you clean the filter out first!)
GPT only factored in the sensible load. If you notice, it used 0.018 btus/cuft/deltaT, that's just the sensible difference, not enthalpy. The enthalpy difference between indoor 75deg 50%rH and outdoor 95deg 50%rH (average dew point in Austin this July was 73) would be 14.36 btu/lb or about 1.057 btus/cuft. GPT only factored 0.018x20deg = 0.36btu/cuft. Basically a third of the actual energy difference.
I’ve watched many videos that show that the GE, the Samsung and the LG all in ones have filters that do not trap 100% of the lint and that you often have to open up and clean off the coils to keep up your efficiency. Your average consumer has a hard enough time just keeping their lint filters clean. I do love how the fire hazard of lint build up in the exhaust hose is completely eliminated.
I’ve had my LG heat pump dryer for 4mo in my new build home and I love it. I’m in ND, so the last thing I wanted was for a dryer to pump out so much hot humid air when it’s -20F out. The cycles take about 50% longer on the normal setting but close to average vented dryer times when using the “power” setting. I also appreciate how it dries my laundry at lower temperatures.
Samsung design is by far the best. Samsung unit can actually self clean the coils. Other units can't do this and will become a hot mess in 5 yrs. Only downside of Samsung unit is the pathetic 1 yr warranty. Buy from costco to get 2 yrs and then add the 3 yr extended warranty for $70. Getting a total 5 yr warranty was the piece of mind I needed to pull the trigger on this new tech. So far the Samsung unit is a dream. Cuts the work of laundry by 50%. Throw a load in before bed and wake up to clean and dry clothes in the morning
I do know the Whirlpool 7.4 cu. ft. Front Load Hybrid Heat Pump Dryer WHD862CHC. Does a horrible job with the secondary lint filter letting lint through and then the machine has a permanently fixed screen that you have to take the whole unit apart to get to the condenser to clean it. Doing 2 to 3 loads most days of the week ends up building a substantial amount of rent on the Primary condenser within 3 to 4 months within a year. The dryer had so much accumulation that had bypassed both the primary and secondary lint filters and the lint screen that I had to have service come out disassemble the unit to clean it as it couldn’t get air through the condenser And was venting air out the front of the unit… It would also be interesting to see how much heat the units add to the home in the bowl the summer that has to be cool and in the winter that takes heat load away my laundry room gets pretty toasty in the summer.
Love my GE all in one. I have modified the filter to make it work better! There are a number of videos with options, mostly adding more sealing around the edges.
I downsized from a 3000 sq ft 50's home to a condo built in 2013 that was only 1000 sq ft in size. I didn't know how much outdoor air an electric clothes drier sucked into the house until we moved into that very tightly built condo. Bathroom vents could not move air outside when the dryer was on, in fact, air is sucked in through the vents! During the winter and when the dryer was on and the over the stove exhaust fan was on, you would begin to feel a chill even with the miniscule electric heaters trying to keep up. I haven't gotten approval yet from strata for an air inlet with heat exchanger in the laundry area so I'm thinking it's time to spend the money on a heat pump dryer. This still doesn't solve the stove exhaust fan problem.
Aparentley the US DOE has developed a ultrasonic dryer which will basically “shake out” all the moisture and cut energy and drying times significantly. My old house i had a frigidaire that moved 150cfm (verified with a vanometer) i found setting the spin cycle to extra long high speed wicked out enough moisture i only had to run the dryer for 30 min on low, so i removed about 50% of my air but i had a fresh air intake into my continuously running furnace so basically the furnace was supplying the air, i also undersized the furnace so it ran a lot longer and basically ended up heating the structure like radiant heat so heat loss was minimal. Now i live in a baseboard house so i put a passive 4” intake by the dryer so air isn’t being pulled out of the living structure and being supplied from outside primarily which has helped comfort
I have 2 washers and 2 dryers in my laundry room... 7 kids, 5 dogs... And we upgraded to the LG....4 of them. Best thing we EVER DID. 8K later and we are happy. Sold our Samsung units and all in around 6500.
I bought a ventless washer/dryer combo a few months ago and I love it. I could see the throughput being a problem for family that does a lot of laundry since you lose the ability to wash one load while drying another but it's been great for me.
I bought one several years ago for a one bedroom rental I own. I tell the tenants to not save up laundry for laundry day, but instead to start a load just before leaving for work; it runs when they are out, and they don’t notice the long cycle - I tell them not having to move the laundry from the washer to the dryer is sort of a bonus.
@@stevebabiak6997 not moving the laundry was one of the main selling point for me. I always do laundry on Sunday nights and I had a bad habit of falling asleep before I put my clothes in the dryer. lol
I'm glad my washer and dryer is in the unconditioned garage after watching this! A small inconvenience saves me several hundred dollars in conditioned air per year! The math sounds about right.
I live in a small condo and I recently replaced my old washer/dryer wash station with a stacked LG set, including a heat pump driver. LG has 24 inch and 27 inch units, either stacked or combined in washtower configurations. LG also has one of the new generation of combined washer/dryer units, like the GE one. Another big savings with a heat pump dryer is not needing the dryer vents to be cleaned (which can become a fire hazard if not cleaned). I really hated the venting in my place, as dust would escape (such as through a secondary lint trap), and I needed to run a loud booster fan because of the length of the ducts. The new washer and dryer set are much, much quieter, and I no longer need the vents and booster fan. The heat pump dryer has already saved me a lot of electricity. I would say it would take me maybe 10 years to pay for not only itself but also the cost of the paired washer. As it's a heat pump dryer, a load takes a little longer to dry (about 20 minutes). Heat pump dryers take a bit longer than both condenser dryers and vented dryers. But the clothes are less stressed out from excess heat so they may last longer. Opening the dryer door releases a bit of humidity, but the clothes are perfectly dry after a minute of airing out. The high spin cycle of the direct drive washer also gets rid of a lot of the water so the heat pump dryer is helped quite a bit in shortening the drying time. I have the excess water from the heat pump dryer drained out to the same pipe as the washer. There is a water reservoir housed in the dryer that would otherwise need to be emptied. The only thing I use the reservoir for is an occasional condenser clean. Getting lint buildup on the condenser is probably one of the worst things that could happen (as the machine would need to be taken apart to access that part to fully remove lint), so it's something to keep on top off. A condenser wash is also part of a regular cycle, and it's important to regularly clean out the nested lint traps. Both the washer and dryer provide maintenance reminders.
I've wanted a heat pump clothes dryer for a few years. It would be perfect in our off-grid super-insulated home. But she likes her clothes line! When the weather turns nasty she drapes everything on an indoor drying rack. From time to time I bring up the heat pump clothes dryer option but nope, she's happy doing it her way! I'd buy an LG or GE machine in a second; I think they ARE the future. Great video, Matt.
I used to do the indoor hang to dry thing, but got lazy, and now have a ventless combo, and love it. I'm all for the savings of indoor line/rack drying, but my new laziness has been delicious. All the best with whichever way you end up with long term.
We have the cheaper Bosch version of these and they are excellent. Was is important to know, that the dried clothes need another 5 or 10 minutes to air out after the machine decided they are done. Put them in a basket and wait a little. That's gets the last bit of moisture out of them. Also the actual drying time is much shorter than initially displayed. My drying program says 2:15 hours but it's always done after 40 minutes or so.
@@SavageBits That's how this system works. Your clothes are not totally overheated like other dryers. I would think it's also a lot better for the clothes as well.
We got one of those units after seeing your Instagram post and doing a bit of research. Super happy with it after figuring out how often to clean the filter. So nice to be able to throw a load on and go. Looking forward to removing the vent piping in a reno soon! We got it just after maxing out our solar usage so the net increase in house efficiency will just be gravy now on the electric bill Only caution is that these things are STAGGERINGLY heavy. Two guys who could break me in half were sweating up a storm getting it downstairs, and said it’s the heaviest unit they deliver. Ps, use Perplexity so you can check its references better
My wife and I lived in Brussels, Belgium from 1998 to 2006. We had two Miele washers, and two Miele condensation dryers. They looked very much like the Miele units you showed. We had to do many more small loads than we would normally have used with American style equipment. It took bloody forever to dry any of our clothes, and they never really got dry. So, we will never, ever again do condensation dryers. I would be fine with doing a heat pump for the heating part, with a high COP like 3-4. That’s still way better than the traditional heating methods. But we are never, ever again going to do condensation dryers of any shape or form.
Hi Matt. Could you run full loads on each and measure the real world electricity consumption for both setups in Kwh? Thanks again! This will be a great addition to my upcoming build.
I first saw this machine in an episode of Build Show Build: Boston and have had my eye on one ever since. Finally got one about 3 months ago brand new for half price, plus the stand and it’s been such a great machine. A bit of an adjustment to only be able to do one load at a time, but it’s been nice to start a load and have it tell me when it’s dry and ready to be folded.
We have TWO of the GE combos for only my wife and I. Load and forget. Get notified on my watch when each is done. No changing from washer to dryer. Problem with that unit is it does not block lint well enough. Enhance or expect failure in a year or two.
Huge fan of these units. Upgraded from an older small unit to a new large whirlpool version. Would much prefer two of these units over separate washer dryers!
I know it would add another penetration, but wouldn't having an inlet and an outlet for dryers in a super-efficient home like that make sense? Is there a market for a dedicated Inlet ?
Intake directly to the dryer? Maybe if the climate is very moderate for much of the year. Downsides: - If the air is cold it still has to warm up, so the calculations still apply. - If it is a hot humid summer location, I think it would also result in inefficiencies on that end as well by requiring higher dryer temperatures to get the same performance.
So wierd hybrid clothes drying setup here. Heat pump water heater in the laundry room. Let me close a B vent hole in the roof and save on a tigher envelope. We hang pants and hoodies and towels in front of the water heater fan, and it loves eating the moisture in damp clothes to recover latent heat of vaporizaton. Then toss socks, undies, t shirts in an electric clothes dryer. It runs quite short cycle since loads are light. Run it only overnight when power rates are way low. Pants and hoodies dry in front of water heater in a day.
The issue with these all in one units, comes down to being your only laundry source; Especially if you have a larger family or a consistent need for multiple back to back loads. Sure it can take a little less time as a whole for a single load, but you aren't able to start a second load when the initial wash cycle is over while the other is drying. So in reality, you aren't saving time if you're changing from a standard US spec high capacity set, you're actually costing yourself another hour because now that second load is going to take 2 hours to do too. If you have another set than you're fine, but most aren't going to have two sets of laundry appliances. My partner and I do our laundry separately. He's an emt, so his stuff needs washed separately. I work from home, so generally I'll run my laundry, and do bedding which itself is 2 loads with a split king and 2 quilts, and towels/rags during quick breaks from work. That's just for two of us, and not even separating out my cloths by cotton/tech fabric light/dark. On top of his clothes, he has bedding from work. So my 4 loads would take at least 8 hours in one of these instead of 5 with separate machines.
Here in the UK, our energy prices are roughly double yours in Texas. If we imagine (just guessing here) the UK climate is halfway between Texas and Minnesota, we can guess a figure of $400 and then double it to $800 and then convert it to sterling, giving us an theoretical saving of about £630. You could buy one of the best mid range dryers (can't find many combi units sadly) on the market and it would pay for itself in a year. You'd be mad not to.
Have had the GE Profile All-in-One since launch and have a bit of a different maintenance regiment.Lint can build up on the left side of inlet of the lint trap area and create large chunks. I found an air compressor with a long neck the most effect way to clean these out. Another area you forgot to mention was cleaning the drain trap at the bottom of the unit. As far as other combo units, avoid the Samsung version. Repairs are costly due to part prices and reliability of their appliances.
I found that solar drying with a clothesline in South Texas dries clothes pretty quickly. And if your lifestyle demands just that one clothing item in the next 20 minutes, then maybe change your priorities. Hanging clothes to dry is relaxing and relieves stress. When you have a decent sized back porch you can solar dry when its raining - unless it continues to rain all day.
I do way too much laundry to play around with hanging. It's not at all 'relaxing' when you have 3-4 loads per week (at least) and still have other chores and family/work commitments. Are you retired?
Your right my wife and I have be married going on 36 years and we’ve been hanging clothes out side the whole time spring summer and fall even on not so cold winter days, only problem ever now and then birds with shit all over them and back to the washer they go 😅
I think it’s very important to point that a condense dryer is NOT the same as a heat pump dryer Condense one is basically a classic vented dryer with a tank for condensate. And it actually uses more energy than a classic one. Heat pump one is one step further and recycle the whole heat so you don’t need energy to warm up fresh air
Great analysis !!! Here is another cost/energy savings: use your outdoor dryer.......we live in a dry climate, so we hang 90% of laundry inside in winter. I feel sorry for those that need to use a dryer every day!
We got the Samsung equivalent a couple of months ago. We love it, clothes come out clean and dry and the cycle times aren't too bad. The Samsung unit actually washes the coils every cycle, so far I haven't had to do anything to clean it out.
Digging my GE Combo after 6 months, fins are still clean since I added foam sealing around the filter element. Even better, I love that I don’t have to switchover laundry. Power bill is at least $25 less monthly.
I have the Samsung unit, and it's indeed much more efficient. The biggest benefit for me, though, with a house full of teenagers, is that this cut my work in half: I had to keep reminding them to move their clothes to the dryer, and then again after the dry cycle. Now I only have to remind them once per load, at the end. 😃
@ You’re not pumping heated air outside and then heating the cold air your dryer is pulling inside. If your house is well sealed then your dryer isn’t moving the optimal amount of air through the system. I have a large ventless dryer in a bathroom and in the summer you don’t feel any extra heat. It has a heat exchanger to keep the heat in the system. Will the system last 30 years, probably not. But not because of the technology. It’s because new appliances are designed to fail after 10 or 15 years. Heat pumps have been around since the early 80s. Really for as long as air conditioning.
I got an LG combo this summer and I’m in MN. I chose it between the GE and Samsung because overall the lint filter design seemed more robust and better designed on the LG. It’s on the top and not a slide-in design.
Two units would be sweet. Not having to keep the door open or swap laundry is cool. Unfortunately I don’t have room for even the slightly smaller LG heat pump combo, so I went the Bosch compact route (2.4 cu ft. 22 lb. capacity vs. the 2.26 @ 17.6 of the Mile). Using regular 30x54 bath towels (instead of bath sheets) we can easily fit more than 7 in our machine.
I think it depends on the heat source and the local climate. Chances are in the northwest regions, homes are often heated with natural gas than heat pump. For Edmonton Canada, the 6'000'000 btu loss only translate to 6.33GJ, which equals 20 USD to make up for the cfm loss assuming you have a 80% furnace. Therefore, if your home is heated by natural gas, I'd focus on finding electricity efficient and durable standard models rather than going with the 2-in-1 heat pump model.
Just started using an older dryer (from the 80s i think) after drying clothes on racks for years. I'm shocked at the amount of lint that accumulates. That thing is eating clothes. I might go back to drying my crap on racks again. Its so dry in winter that everything dries overnight. Even jeans. We have a Fisher Paykel from 2005 (high efficiency/very new at the time) that we still love.
I've got an LG heat pump drier coming, and when combined with solar energy, you have near zero cost to running the system. Once the heat pump water heater gets installed, then the cost of washing my clothes goes to near zero.
I have the ge like Matt . I do two to three loads a week . My utility cost seems about even from what it was . Maybe a little less . I also clean it after each use . I keep a small vac , flashlight and brush near it . Use the brush as needed . After about five month of use it is still like new around coil . Do like the unit .
I love our Miele units. So efficient. Not sure what model you have, but we fit about 10-12 towels or a huge king size comforter in ours... Laundry machines should be run as full as possible, they are more effective at cleaning.
Mieles are deceptive. They're smaller than American machines physically, but if you check the load amounts, they're similar to regular U.S. market machines. You can really stuff them full and still get clean clothes.
You can always stuff front loaded washers because of how it moves clothes and water using gravity. You just can’t stuff dryers since you need air space to efficiently dry.
@buildshow Yeah I was wondering why you weren't using the cubic foot rating when talking about appliances. I checked out on the numbers because you just ad.ited to quoting a chat gpt. Haven't had even a 50% success rate on those getting even basics right, I doubt those numbers are accurate in more than one basic field.
@@buildshow When in doubt (RTFM) check your manual. There is a weight recommendation on it. But in my experience, yes, stuff it full. If you check in like 10min later in the cycle, you can see how much space is still left in your washing machine. The laundry really shirks together, when it's wet.
The COP assumption of 0.9 is only valid for gas or resistance electric heat, so the final cost that ChatGPT gives is probably an overestimate by a good bit, at least if you don't consider humidity. In Austin with heat pumps, COP for most of those degree days will be closer to 4.
No way with a family that big would those tiny machines work. I had a friend that has a normal laundry room in the house and then similar stacked units like that in the master walk-in closet. I have a building in NYC and want to put laundry in my ground floor owner's unit for when I am there and was trying to figure out how to do it and that GE seems like a good solution.
Believe it or not, there are many Europeans with large families who use Miele, Bosch, Asko, and other small compact laundry - and they get along just fine 😁
@@matthelms4167 Yes they do, but they need to adapt to the tiny European machines by doing laundry every day. We have German friends who do this. Here in North America most of us have one laundry day per week, hence the need for larger machines.
Another factor for those interested in possibly going to EV.... They could have the dryer circuit updated for EV charging. The 120 volt circuit is there already for their current washer. Stay safe , Tim in Texas
Only issue we've had with our Miele washer is that it's for a vacation condo where these don't get used for months at a time. The "automatic" detergent feature pump & tubing plugs up during the long downtimes. Had to get a service guy out to replace them and now we can't these features.
My wife keeps eyeing one of the GE units. I am concerned that the coils on the heat pump would be hard to get to and clean when they eventually get covered in lint. It would only real complaint about front loaders though. That the front gasket gets water standing it in and grows mildew. If you completely dry out the barrel every time it dries the clothes, that issue would be gone.
Also, can you post a one year and maybe 5 year follow up video? My dad used to work at Home Depot and he said combo washer and driers always had reliability issues long term. Interested to see how they hold up nowadays
@@SavageBits That's a standard appliance warranty here in NA. They'll happily sell you a longer one though! These appliance are not new tech. I used a Bosch condensing all-in one machine 23 years ago in the UK. It was terribly slow needing to run repeated drying cycles. I ended up drying my clothes on racks.
We have 2 of these plugged into the same 110 line. Mine live in the garage so I don’t save from air exchange but where we do save is not having to redo laundry because we forget it or it goes stinky in the drum. Best money we spent and compared to a normal setup almost cost comparable when on a labor day sale.
Those “small” units are large full size dryer and washers in Europe… (60cm in width). There are actually even smaller top loaders at 40cm. And wait till you find out in Europe we usually do not even use dryers.
When we built in 2010 we bought the same brand. Neither the washer or dryer lasted and repairs were expensive. Got Maytag washer and Dryer now at 1/4th the cost of the Miele. Now that I think about it I think I suggested you not get Miele some time in the past.
I want to buy 2 washer/dryer units (the all in one types) and stack them. No need to move the washer load to the dryer, and you can do two loads at once. This is the future :)
Yes! I like the idea of them and would love to not throw conditioned air outside anymore, but my current natural gas dryer was made 30 years ago and can finish a load of jeans in under 30 minutes. So that's going to be my standard for reliability and performance.
My Siemans (UK) heat pump condensing dryer lasted 12 years. What killed it was a faulty condensed water level sensor, and the cost of repair vs buying a new one with 5 year warranty wasn't that different. So now have a Bosch - which unfortunately is horrendously complicated and uses awful touch controls.
I feel like these could give people in small apartments who have always had to use public laundry units an option to have private laundry in their apartment.
This is very true. I own a rental that has a one bedroom apartment where I installed a similar unit. Venting was not going to be a good option, and having both wash and dry functions in the same unit saved on space as well. The pipe diameter needed for the drain is larger than the drain lines normally used for sinks and tubs, so getting the drain plumbed into the drain / vent stack is going to be needed.
I had one a few years ago, an LG. It really did not dry the clothes all that well. I liked the idea, and the underlying theory seems good, but it took longer to get the clothes to an "almost dry but not really something I'd want to put on state". Maybe the newer ones work better.
Purchased one of those units a decade ago from LG on the smaller side as you did and it never worked properly. Neither LG nor Home Depot would make it right. Home Depot employees stated they don’t sell the units because they were garbage. (I ordered the unit online. ). Thankfully, my credit card company handle the situation once I share all the documentation and drama.
I wish someone made a 2-drum unit that's the same height as a traditional double-stacked washer/dryer and would fit in the same space. You'd only need one set of controls, one detergent tank, one water/drain connection, one power plug (might need to be 220 at that point), etc.
I have a heat pump dryer with my washer on the bottom. I don’t like all in one machines so the LG tower system works great for me. Can wash while you dry if needed. Fits in the same space too. Bosch makes a ventless system but without heat pump so not sure how efficient but at least you’re not pulling in air from the outside.
While I don't want to minimize the effects of conditioning the make-up air, I have a hard time believing that it is twice the cost of operating a dryer that is "unconditioning" an equal volume of air. Consider the case of Austin in the summer, much of the cycle the dryer is putting out air that is at least as hot, if not hotter, than the outside air with more humidity. For simplicity, lets say that averaging in the heat up and cool down, the dry puts out air the same temperature and humidity as the outside air. Now the dryer adds as much sensible and latent heat to the exhaust as must be removed from the make-up air. But the dryer uses straight electric resistance heat. The make-up air is conditioned with a heat pump which is moving roughly 3 Watts of energy for every Watt of energy consumed by the a/c unit. This would make the cost of conditioning the make-up air one third the cost of running the dryer. I know that I made a lot of assumptions, but it certainly puts a lot of doubt in my mind of the validity of Chat GBT's results which shows the electrical use of conditioning the make-up air 6x higher than my estimate.
It's not only the question of sucking the air out of the house and depressurizing. Here in Northern Alberta that outlet is a devastating cold trap. Often you can actually see ice build up on the outlet at he inside. Of course mold follows promptly.
Miele washing machines are always on the small size, most of them are 8kg, they do have 2 at 10kg, one reason I went for LG, at 12kg, I also have a LG heat pump dryer, again because of its size. The LG dryer also self cleans. Using the condensed water, there is still a filter, but I don’t have to clean the coil,
I’ve used both condensing and now a heat pump dryer. The LG heat pump is much much larger than the euro condensing. You can do normal size loads I mean.
I'll be interested to see how that washer-dryer combo lasts. I've had to replace a drain pump and a couple of water valves in the thing over just two years of use. Not really impressed with its reliability.
I’ve had such bad luck with GE appliances and their support for over the years that I will not touch any thing they make. Well…their T-700 line of aircraft turbines were good!😊
Aren't bigger versions of Miele available? They also have all-in-one washer and dryers. By the way, you should allow for air ventilation arond the unit.
Matt, did you look at the LG all in one? If you get the new (optional) pet hair filter it solves the issue of lint getting on the coils. We really like the LG, was a little worried about the GE lint filter.
Given the dryer is ventless, one must assume the condensate is dumped into the same drain as the wash water. The question then is: What is the probability of build up in the condensate drip line of obstructive build-up, such as mold, micro lint particles, etc., and what can be done to alleviate that problem?
those numbers need to be adjust for a non gas furnace (heat pump;COP~3.5 to 5.0) on the energy loss side of the equation, and also on the makeup side electricity rates change if you have a NEM metering contract, electricity rates can be around $0.40 to $0.50/kWhr
Good review. Too bad not more lint get washed away in the drain. Definitely improve the opportunity there, especially that it is a washer afterall. So the dryer benefit the washer for drying it and avoiding mold. Unfortunately the washer does not contribute to keeping the dryer clean too!
We've had the LG Wash Tower Ventless for about 2 years and it has been 100% trouble free so far! Solid performance. Have several littles in the house and we're doing laundry all the time. Big capacity, and energy efficient. Ventless all the way!
How's the lint capture working out? Supposedly that's the weak link on these units.
What about humidy levels remaining in the house and noise levels compared with the traditional one? Thanks.
@@TheBOOKofJOSEPHno increase in humidity levels since the system is closed while it dries and the water (condensate) gets pumped out and down the drain. Noise level is about the same for me but others claim it’s quieter.
@@DeuceDeuceBravo To the LG one we have has a 2 stage lint filter. It is effective. Once a year, I vacuum out the machine and haven't found over accumulation to be an issue.
The 2 biggest things that have been major improvements on the traditional Whirlpool machines that came with our house were:
1) Ability to relocate without extensive renovations to run a vent, drain, etc
We had a closet that was unused that back up against a toilet. Opened up the wall, tied in drain to the bathroom piping and fixtures. Electric was a breeze too. The project would have been exponentially more expensive if we didn't have the ventless option.
2) The efficiency and energy savings is much better than what we had.
The old whirlpool machines that came with the house died. They were from 2004 and a regular load of washing used 3x as much water as the LG one does. Looking at the energy stats for our machine, in 2.4 years we've done a total of 1612 wash or drying cycles. In that time, our energy consumption has been 1044.063kWh. The previous 1.2 years saw us use 1899.64kWh of electricity. If you're moving from a more modern energy start appliance the change won't be as drastic, but in our case, we couldn't be happier with the decision.
@@TheBOOKofJOSEPH We relocated washer and dryer from the garage into a renovated closet space on the back of our guest bathroom. In terms of noise, unless you are in that bathroom, we don't hear it. I just used a db meter to see if it could pick up the noise from the machine that is currently running washer and dryer simultaneously. I am in the living room about 30 ft away and separated by 1 wall. Db Meter is not picking up anything.
In terms of humidity, the LG tower doesn't release humidity into the room. Ventless heat pump machines don't need to get as hot as traditional machines, and any condensation that is created get recycled from the dryer down to the washer. I wash the drain hose every 6 months or so that connects the dryer to the washer (dryer is stacked on top of washer). All that to say, because it's ventless, it doesn't release moisture into the closet. Humidity is a non-issue.
Switched my standard electric dryer for the LG 7.8cf heat pump dryer. Old dryer was 2019 energy star LG and pulled 6200w per the label. New dryer pulls 830w per the label. It's the bomb. And what you said about the air being sucked out. I removed the vent pipe and capped the hole. During the winter my old dryer when not in use would be 10 degrees colder than room temp due to the cold air infiltration and the laundry room stayed cold in the winter. Fixed that issue with the swap. Also notice a substantial reduction in lint in that room. The LG has a large access door on the front of the machine to clean the coil. Piece of cake. Super quiet, direct drive, DC motor with no belt. Cost $1100. Worth every penny, suspect full payback in a couple years.
This is what we’re looking at for our new house as well. So done with dryer vents and all the issues around them
As a European I really don’t understand why anyone is still using vent dryers. My mom got a condenser dryer in the 1990s. And we don’t even use our dryer often. Just in the winter for towels. Everything else we hang out except for winter where we use some room in the house. If you have controlled ventilation it will dry your laundry for free.
On your new dryer did you need a 3 prong 220 electric or can you run it on a standard one?
A standard 110 plug?
@@spencerhall4452 I haven't looked it up, but there's no reason an appliance designed to use 830W should need 220V. Plenty of 120V appliances in North America use more power than that: toasters, microwaves, waffle irons, space heaters, hair dryers....
Back in energy crisis days (late 1970’s) folks ran the dryer outlet into their basements. To trap the lint, they would tape panty hose over the 4” outlet. It was weird to be in the basement when the dryer came on and a pair of legs inflated and wiggled around.
We had the panty hose on the washer outlet hose into the utility sink.
The trouble comes from inhaling residual detergent and fabric softener and small fibers.
Yes I remember this
LOL, I use the Pantyhose in 2024 in Australia in my little 2 bed apartment. Weirds out my friends when they come over for dinner 😁
@@dalekleinschmidt5453 worse than wearing the clothes you just washed with those same products?
I have this washer, and I love it. I bought a $30 mini-vac that takes Makita batteries, and an $8 skinny sucking attachment and I don’t have a spec of lint on the radiator. It takes 30 seconds, I use it after every load. And the unit is super quiet.
We have two sets of Miele washers & heat pump dryers stacked side-by-side (somewhat the same as yours, but the washers have the TwinDos system). We can fit way more than 3 or 4 towels in each one. We’ve found out that we could have gotten away with just one set, but two are really handy and gives you options. Keep in mind that these are European machines, but Europeans ALSO have large families and use these.
For our dryers, the only thing we do other than cleaning the regular lint filter is clean the plinth filer about once a month. We actually bought a couple spare plinth filters so that there’s always one to “hot-swap” and keep in service while the dirty one gets washed out. We’ve had this set up for about 2 years, and the condenser coils are as clean as a whistle. If they ever need to be cleaned, Miele makes a brush attachment for their canister vacs to clean the condenser area. I can’t speak to the GE, LG, Samsung, or other manufacturers’ offerings, but we’re over the moon pleased so far with the Mieles.
I wouldnt rely on ChatGPT math. Its a language model, not compute engine. Many documented instances of delivering bad math.
I asked it to convert units once. It was wrong on multiple levels. It's terrible at math.
@@Rickmakes yea. You should consider it like a friend who talks non stop but nothing is verifiable from this yapper
Yeah less than half of the basic questions I asked were even close. You have to get to a paid model to get anything usable.
Yep, I was laughing at its attempts (in the video) to calculate the KWH and Cost per year for a regular washer and dryer. It obviously didn't comprehend the formula.
It's pretty good tool, a calculator isn't going to give you the right answer either unless you know how to use the tool correctly
We've had the same exact GE combo unit for about 4 months. It's been great in general, but for our family there is one caveat - you can't wash and dry at the same time (obviously!!). But the *total* time for doing multiple loads back-to-back is significantly longer, which we didn't realise before making the purchase.
Just gotta change it up and start loads before bed. Ready to fold laundry in the morning.
Time for two units.
My hack in cold weather for a standard electric dryer is to vent inside. Keeps the heat and humidity inside when both are needed in the winter.
But you're pumping every ounce of moisture inside your house and it's condensing in your walls and growing black mold. 🦠⚫
@@PatrickKQ4HBD I keep mold eating spiders which take care of this
Underrated comment. @@sawdustcrypto3987
@@PatrickKQ4HBD Not necessarily. If you're laundry is an open basement, which many in northern us climates are... it has plenty of space to disperse that heat and humidity. My laundry is on my main floor and our dryer vent drops into an unfinished but still enclosed area of the basement (storage room) between the joists. Would I do a vent into that room? No. Those who can do this are likely to already be in older homes that aren't sealed tight or insulated like newer homes and finished basements are.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD Most older homes (in the Northeast at least) have the problem of getting too dry in winter. Way, way too dry.
Another way to use a regular dryer and minimize impact on indoor air volume is to use a ducted intake from the outside directly to the back of the dryer. There’s a grill or air intake slots on the back of the dryer. The intake duct can be routed up like a snorkel for access and insulated.
This won't work if you live somewhere that gets cold - most dryer manuals say that they don't work well below a certain temperature
@@Ariccio123 I used one in NH which got very cold in the winter. Worked fine.
@@Ariccio123are you commenting on the dryer or the comment above? The dryer will be working at the temperature in your house…
I suspect many people watching this video would like to learn more about ducted intake to a dryer. Can you tell us more? Linos? Other people who have done this?
We have the Samsung all in one ventless combo dryer and its been flawless. We use a $30 black and decker dustbuster to clean the lint filter which should cut down on the amount of lint that makes it to the condenser. Honestly everyone with a ventless combo unit like this should use a dustbuster to clean the lint tray. Also the samsung has a cleaning cycle it runs on the condenser that removes the lint build up. Very well built unit.
Simple paint brush also works well to clean the Samsung double chamber lint filter
I recently went with the Samsung unit! I saw Ben's repair & junk appliances video teardown on these units - I really hate how the Samsung is so "appy", but one thing he pointed out - Samsung dryer actually dried the clothes in all his tests, and it has a cycle that keeps the fins clean made me go for it. Good thing hear the GE is working for Matt though.
These new units rock - we start it before hitting the gym, clothes are clean and dry when we come back! You just have to adapt your schedule.
one other perk to the Samsung I've been enjoying - auto dispensing detergent from the reservoir, and this process being tied to the filter plug (so when you refill the tank, you clean the filter out first!)
GPT only factored in the sensible load. If you notice, it used 0.018 btus/cuft/deltaT, that's just the sensible difference, not enthalpy. The enthalpy difference between indoor 75deg 50%rH and outdoor 95deg 50%rH (average dew point in Austin this July was 73) would be 14.36 btu/lb or about 1.057 btus/cuft. GPT only factored 0.018x20deg = 0.36btu/cuft. Basically a third of the actual energy difference.
I’ve watched many videos that show that the GE, the Samsung and the LG all in ones have filters that do not trap 100% of the lint and that you often have to open up and clean off the coils to keep up your efficiency. Your average consumer has a hard enough time just keeping their lint filters clean. I do love how the fire hazard of lint build up in the exhaust hose is completely eliminated.
I’ve had my LG heat pump dryer for 4mo in my new build home and I love it. I’m in ND, so the last thing I wanted was for a dryer to pump out so much hot humid air when it’s -20F out. The cycles take about 50% longer on the normal setting but close to average vented dryer times when using the “power” setting. I also appreciate how it dries my laundry at lower temperatures.
Bens Appliances recommends the Samsung as the best-engineered of the all-in-one heat pump units, might be something to look into.
Love ben's reviews
Samsung design is by far the best. Samsung unit can actually self clean the coils. Other units can't do this and will become a hot mess in 5 yrs. Only downside of Samsung unit is the pathetic 1 yr warranty. Buy from costco to get 2 yrs and then add the 3 yr extended warranty for $70. Getting a total 5 yr warranty was the piece of mind I needed to pull the trigger on this new tech. So far the Samsung unit is a dream. Cuts the work of laundry by 50%. Throw a load in before bed and wake up to clean and dry clothes in the morning
I do know the Whirlpool 7.4 cu. ft. Front Load Hybrid Heat Pump Dryer WHD862CHC. Does a horrible job with the secondary lint filter letting lint through and then the machine has a permanently fixed screen that you have to take the whole unit apart to get to the condenser to clean it. Doing 2 to 3 loads most days of the week ends up building a substantial amount of rent on the Primary condenser within 3 to 4 months within a year. The dryer had so much accumulation that had bypassed both the primary and secondary lint filters and the lint screen that I had to have service come out disassemble the unit to clean it as it couldn’t get air through the condenser And was venting air out the front of the unit…
It would also be interesting to see how much heat the units add to the home in the bowl the summer that has to be cool and in the winter that takes heat load away my laundry room gets pretty toasty in the summer.
Samsung is a nightmare to repair. The 2nd nightmare begins with dealing with their warranty department.
Love my GE all in one. I have modified the filter to make it work better! There are a number of videos with options, mostly adding more sealing around the edges.
Great research Matt! Suggestion for a similar topic video. How much energy and money do bathrooms fans waste compared to exhausting via an ERV
I downsized from a 3000 sq ft 50's home to a condo built in 2013 that was only 1000 sq ft in size. I didn't know how much outdoor air an electric clothes drier sucked into the house until we moved into that very tightly built condo. Bathroom vents could not move air outside when the dryer was on, in fact, air is sucked in through the vents! During the winter and when the dryer was on and the over the stove exhaust fan was on, you would begin to feel a chill even with the miniscule electric heaters trying to keep up. I haven't gotten approval yet from strata for an air inlet with heat exchanger in the laundry area so I'm thinking it's time to spend the money on a heat pump dryer. This still doesn't solve the stove exhaust fan problem.
Aparentley the US DOE has developed a ultrasonic dryer which will basically “shake out” all the moisture and cut energy and drying times significantly.
My old house i had a frigidaire that moved 150cfm (verified with a vanometer) i found setting the spin cycle to extra long high speed wicked out enough moisture i only had to run the dryer for 30 min on low, so i removed about 50% of my air but i had a fresh air intake into my continuously running furnace so basically the furnace was supplying the air, i also undersized the furnace so it ran a lot longer and basically ended up heating the structure like radiant heat so heat loss was minimal.
Now i live in a baseboard house so i put a passive 4” intake by the dryer so air isn’t being pulled out of the living structure and being supplied from outside primarily which has helped comfort
I have 2 washers and 2 dryers in my laundry room... 7 kids, 5 dogs... And we upgraded to the LG....4 of them. Best thing we EVER DID. 8K later and we are happy. Sold our Samsung units and all in around 6500.
I bought a ventless washer/dryer combo a few months ago and I love it. I could see the throughput being a problem for family that does a lot of laundry since you lose the ability to wash one load while drying another but it's been great for me.
I bought one several years ago for a one bedroom rental I own. I tell the tenants to not save up laundry for laundry day, but instead to start a load just before leaving for work; it runs when they are out, and they don’t notice the long cycle - I tell them not having to move the laundry from the washer to the dryer is sort of a bonus.
@@stevebabiak6997 not moving the laundry was one of the main selling point for me. I always do laundry on Sunday nights and I had a bad habit of falling asleep before I put my clothes in the dryer. lol
I'm glad my washer and dryer is in the unconditioned garage after watching this! A small inconvenience saves me several hundred dollars in conditioned air per year! The math sounds about right.
I live in a small condo and I recently replaced my old washer/dryer wash station with a stacked LG set, including a heat pump driver. LG has 24 inch and 27 inch units, either stacked or combined in washtower configurations. LG also has one of the new generation of combined washer/dryer units, like the GE one.
Another big savings with a heat pump dryer is not needing the dryer vents to be cleaned (which can become a fire hazard if not cleaned). I really hated the venting in my place, as dust would escape (such as through a secondary lint trap), and I needed to run a loud booster fan because of the length of the ducts.
The new washer and dryer set are much, much quieter, and I no longer need the vents and booster fan.
The heat pump dryer has already saved me a lot of electricity. I would say it would take me maybe 10 years to pay for not only itself but also the cost of the paired washer.
As it's a heat pump dryer, a load takes a little longer to dry (about 20 minutes). Heat pump dryers take a bit longer than both condenser dryers and vented dryers. But the clothes are less stressed out from excess heat so they may last longer. Opening the dryer door releases a bit of humidity, but the clothes are perfectly dry after a minute of airing out. The high spin cycle of the direct drive washer also gets rid of a lot of the water so the heat pump dryer is helped quite a bit in shortening the drying time.
I have the excess water from the heat pump dryer drained out to the same pipe as the washer. There is a water reservoir housed in the dryer that would otherwise need to be emptied. The only thing I use the reservoir for is an occasional condenser clean. Getting lint buildup on the condenser is probably one of the worst things that could happen (as the machine would need to be taken apart to access that part to fully remove lint), so it's something to keep on top off. A condenser wash is also part of a regular cycle, and it's important to regularly clean out the nested lint traps. Both the washer and dryer provide maintenance reminders.
I've wanted a heat pump clothes dryer for a few years. It would be perfect in our off-grid super-insulated home. But she likes her clothes line! When the weather turns nasty she drapes everything on an indoor drying rack. From time to time I bring up the heat pump clothes dryer option but nope, she's happy doing it her way! I'd buy an LG or GE machine in a second; I think they ARE the future. Great video, Matt.
I used to do the indoor hang to dry thing, but got lazy, and now have a ventless combo, and love it. I'm all for the savings of indoor line/rack drying, but my new laziness has been delicious. All the best with whichever way you end up with long term.
I've had my GE Combo Washer/Dryer for over a year and I love it. Turned by roof dryer vent into a vent for the attic.
We have the cheaper Bosch version of these and they are excellent. Was is important to know, that the dried clothes need another 5 or 10 minutes to air out after the machine decided they are done. Put them in a basket and wait a little. That's gets the last bit of moisture out of them. Also the actual drying time is much shorter than initially displayed. My drying program says 2:15 hours but it's always done after 40 minutes or so.
So your clothes come out slightly damp? Hard pass on bosch combo unit
@@SavageBits That's how this system works. Your clothes are not totally overheated like other dryers. I would think it's also a lot better for the clothes as well.
Does this REALLY get clogged dry?!!🤔🤔🤔
We got one of those units after seeing your Instagram post and doing a bit of research. Super happy with it after figuring out how often to clean the filter. So nice to be able to throw a load on and go. Looking forward to removing the vent piping in a reno soon!
We got it just after maxing out our solar usage so the net increase in house efficiency will just be gravy now on the electric bill
Only caution is that these things are STAGGERINGLY heavy. Two guys who could break me in half were sweating up a storm getting it downstairs, and said it’s the heaviest unit they deliver.
Ps, use Perplexity so you can check its references better
My wife and I lived in Brussels, Belgium from 1998 to 2006. We had two Miele washers, and two Miele condensation dryers. They looked very much like the Miele units you showed. We had to do many more small loads than we would normally have used with American style equipment.
It took bloody forever to dry any of our clothes, and they never really got dry. So, we will never, ever again do condensation dryers.
I would be fine with doing a heat pump for the heating part, with a high COP like 3-4. That’s still way better than the traditional heating methods.
But we are never, ever again going to do condensation dryers of any shape or form.
My Samsung combo washer/ventless dryer has been working fine. As long as I don't overload it, loads come out dry.
I love my GE vent less washer dryer combo! Cleans itself well too.
Hi Matt. Could you run full loads on each and measure the real world electricity consumption for both setups in Kwh? Thanks again! This will be a great addition to my upcoming build.
I first saw this machine in an episode of Build Show Build: Boston and have had my eye on one ever since. Finally got one about 3 months ago brand new for half price, plus the stand and it’s been such a great machine. A bit of an adjustment to only be able to do one load at a time, but it’s been nice to start a load and have it tell me when it’s dry and ready to be folded.
We have TWO of the GE combos for only my wife and I. Load and forget. Get notified on my watch when each is done. No changing from washer to dryer. Problem with that unit is it does not block lint well enough. Enhance or expect failure in a year or two.
Huge fan of these units. Upgraded from an older small unit to a new large whirlpool version. Would much prefer two of these units over separate washer dryers!
I know it would add another penetration, but wouldn't having an inlet and an outlet for dryers in a super-efficient home like that make sense? Is there a market for a dedicated Inlet ?
Intake directly to the dryer? Maybe if the climate is very moderate for much of the year. Downsides:
- If the air is cold it still has to warm up, so the calculations still apply.
- If it is a hot humid summer location, I think it would also result in inefficiencies on that end as well by requiring higher dryer temperatures to get the same performance.
So wierd hybrid clothes drying setup here. Heat pump water heater in the laundry room. Let me close a B vent hole in the roof and save on a tigher envelope. We hang pants and hoodies and towels in front of the water heater fan, and it loves eating the moisture in damp clothes to recover latent heat of vaporizaton. Then toss socks, undies, t shirts in an electric clothes dryer. It runs quite short cycle since loads are light. Run it only overnight when power rates are way low. Pants and hoodies dry in front of water heater in a day.
The issue with these all in one units, comes down to being your only laundry source; Especially if you have a larger family or a consistent need for multiple back to back loads. Sure it can take a little less time as a whole for a single load, but you aren't able to start a second load when the initial wash cycle is over while the other is drying. So in reality, you aren't saving time if you're changing from a standard US spec high capacity set, you're actually costing yourself another hour because now that second load is going to take 2 hours to do too. If you have another set than you're fine, but most aren't going to have two sets of laundry appliances.
My partner and I do our laundry separately. He's an emt, so his stuff needs washed separately. I work from home, so generally I'll run my laundry, and do bedding which itself is 2 loads with a split king and 2 quilts, and towels/rags during quick breaks from work. That's just for two of us, and not even separating out my cloths by cotton/tech fabric light/dark. On top of his clothes, he has bedding from work. So my 4 loads would take at least 8 hours in one of these instead of 5 with separate machines.
Just got my Samsung and love it. Very cool it washes the coils every dry cycle
My GE clogged up after a year, had to pull it apart and clean the heat pump fins. I clean the lint trap every load
That is why I sent mine back. I saw that coming.
@@TechExplorer546 it's a master bath add, didn't wanna cut holes
Says right in the owners manual to clean the fins regularly. Even vented units need cleaned more than just the main filter.
Here in the UK, our energy prices are roughly double yours in Texas. If we imagine (just guessing here) the UK climate is halfway between Texas and Minnesota, we can guess a figure of $400 and then double it to $800 and then convert it to sterling, giving us an theoretical saving of about £630. You could buy one of the best mid range dryers (can't find many combi units sadly) on the market and it would pay for itself in a year. You'd be mad not to.
Have had the GE Profile All-in-One since launch and have a bit of a different maintenance regiment.Lint can build up on the left side of inlet of the lint trap area and create large chunks. I found an air compressor with a long neck the most effect way to clean these out. Another area you forgot to mention was cleaning the drain trap at the bottom of the unit.
As far as other combo units, avoid the Samsung version. Repairs are costly due to part prices and reliability of their appliances.
I found that solar drying with a clothesline in South Texas dries clothes pretty quickly. And if your lifestyle demands just that one clothing item in the next 20 minutes, then maybe change your priorities. Hanging clothes to dry is relaxing and relieves stress. When you have a decent sized back porch you can solar dry when its raining - unless it continues to rain all day.
Stop making so much sense.
My gran used to hang out her laundry. I loved sleeping in fresh sheets dried out on a line. The best.
I do way too much laundry to play around with hanging. It's not at all 'relaxing' when you have 3-4 loads per week (at least) and still have other chores and family/work commitments. Are you retired?
This! @@TheJohn8765
Your right my wife and I have be married going on 36 years and we’ve been hanging clothes out side the whole time spring summer and fall even on not so cold winter days, only problem ever now and then birds with shit all over them and back to the washer they go 😅
I think it’s very important to point that a condense dryer is NOT the same as a heat pump dryer
Condense one is basically a classic vented dryer with a tank for condensate. And it actually uses more energy than a classic one.
Heat pump one is one step further and recycle the whole heat so you don’t need energy to warm up fresh air
Great analysis !!! Here is another cost/energy savings: use your outdoor dryer.......we live in a dry climate, so we hang 90% of laundry inside in winter. I feel sorry for those that need to use a dryer every day!
We got the Samsung equivalent a couple of months ago. We love it, clothes come out clean and dry and the cycle times aren't too bad.
The Samsung unit actually washes the coils every cycle, so far I haven't had to do anything to clean it out.
Digging my GE Combo after 6 months, fins are still clean since I added foam sealing around the filter element. Even better, I love that I don’t have to switchover laundry. Power bill is at least $25 less monthly.
I've had the same question with regards to an ERV vs just bringing fresh air in as the code now requires.
We went with 2 of the Samsung combo Heat pump units. I selected those for the coil washing feature. So far I love them
I have the Samsung unit, and it's indeed much more efficient. The biggest benefit for me, though, with a house full of teenagers, is that this cut my work in half: I had to keep reminding them to move their clothes to the dryer, and then again after the dry cycle. Now I only have to remind them once per load, at the end. 😃
We built our barndominium to run off 120 volt outlets, as much as possible. The GE Profile combo unit is a big part of making that happen.
Still rocking my heavy duty large capacity Kenmore washer and dryer from 1985. Easy to repair and built to last and affordable to maintain.
Affordable to maintain. Yes, but you’re paying a lot more to run it. Could have purchased several machines in savings over the years.
@@IcelanderUSer Extremely Highly Unlikely. Very bold claim.
@ You’re not pumping heated air outside and then heating the cold air your dryer is pulling inside. If your house is well sealed then your dryer isn’t moving the optimal amount of air through the system. I have a large ventless dryer in a bathroom and in the summer you don’t feel any extra heat. It has a heat exchanger to keep the heat in the system. Will the system last 30 years, probably not. But not because of the technology. It’s because new appliances are designed to fail after 10 or 15 years. Heat pumps have been around since the early 80s. Really for as long as air conditioning.
@@jonsobieralski6053 not sure that you and the OP understand the content of the video as it clearly directly challenges your assumptions.
I got an LG combo this summer and I’m in MN. I chose it between the GE and Samsung because overall the lint filter design seemed more robust and better designed on the LG. It’s on the top and not a slide-in design.
Two units would be sweet. Not having to keep the door open or swap laundry is cool.
Unfortunately I don’t have room for even the slightly smaller LG heat pump combo, so I went the Bosch compact route (2.4 cu ft. 22 lb. capacity vs. the 2.26 @ 17.6 of the Mile).
Using regular 30x54 bath towels (instead of bath sheets) we can easily fit more than 7 in our machine.
I think it depends on the heat source and the local climate. Chances are in the northwest regions, homes are often heated with natural gas than heat pump. For Edmonton Canada, the 6'000'000 btu loss only translate to 6.33GJ, which equals 20 USD to make up for the cfm loss assuming you have a 80% furnace. Therefore, if your home is heated by natural gas, I'd focus on finding electricity efficient and durable standard models rather than going with the 2-in-1 heat pump model.
Just started using an older dryer (from the 80s i think) after drying clothes on racks for years. I'm shocked at the amount of lint that accumulates. That thing is eating clothes. I might go back to drying my crap on racks again. Its so dry in winter that everything dries overnight. Even jeans. We have a Fisher Paykel from 2005 (high efficiency/very new at the time) that we still love.
I've got an LG heat pump drier coming, and when combined with solar energy, you have near zero cost to running the system. Once the heat pump water heater gets installed, then the cost of washing my clothes goes to near zero.
I recommend the LG ventless dryer, model DLHC5502B. Full size dryer with half the energy consumption of a conventional dryer. 👍
We have this unit for about year now. Me and Wife love this machine
I have the ge like Matt . I do two to three loads a week . My utility cost seems about even from what it was . Maybe a little less . I also clean it after each use . I keep a small vac , flashlight and brush near it . Use the brush as needed . After about five month of use it is still like new around coil . Do like the unit .
I love our Miele units. So efficient. Not sure what model you have, but we fit about 10-12 towels or a huge king size comforter in ours... Laundry machines should be run as full as possible, they are more effective at cleaning.
Mieles are deceptive. They're smaller than American machines physically, but if you check the load amounts, they're similar to regular U.S. market machines. You can really stuff them full and still get clean clothes.
I’ve always felt like I wasn’t supposed to stuff it full. Maybe I’m wrong on that.
You can always stuff front loaded washers because of how it moves clothes and water using gravity. You just can’t stuff dryers since you need air space to efficiently dry.
@buildshow Yeah I was wondering why you weren't using the cubic foot rating when talking about appliances.
I checked out on the numbers because you just ad.ited to quoting a chat gpt. Haven't had even a 50% success rate on those getting even basics right, I doubt those numbers are accurate in more than one basic field.
@@buildshow When in doubt (RTFM) check your manual. There is a weight recommendation on it. But in my experience, yes, stuff it full. If you check in like 10min later in the cycle, you can see how much space is still left in your washing machine. The laundry really shirks together, when it's wet.
The COP assumption of 0.9 is only valid for gas or resistance electric heat, so the final cost that ChatGPT gives is probably an overestimate by a good bit, at least if you don't consider humidity. In Austin with heat pumps, COP for most of those degree days will be closer to 4.
Something to be said about hanging your clothes out on a line out back especially considering you’re spending two hours doing a small load anyway.
Maybe for Matt but it was 8° here yesterday.
No way with a family that big would those tiny machines work. I had a friend that has a normal laundry room in the house and then similar stacked units like that in the master walk-in closet. I have a building in NYC and want to put laundry in my ground floor owner's unit for when I am there and was trying to figure out how to do it and that GE seems like a good solution.
Believe it or not, there are many Europeans with large families who use Miele, Bosch, Asko, and other small compact laundry - and they get along just fine 😁
@@matthelms4167 Yes they do, but they need to adapt to the tiny European machines by doing laundry every day. We have German friends who do this. Here in North America most of us have one laundry day per week, hence the need for larger machines.
I’ll wait for a version with a lint filter. Love the videos!!
Another factor for those interested in possibly going to EV.... They could have the dryer circuit updated for EV charging. The 120 volt circuit is there already for their current washer. Stay safe , Tim in Texas
Only issue we've had with our Miele washer is that it's for a vacation condo where these don't get used for months at a time. The "automatic" detergent feature pump & tubing plugs up during the long downtimes. Had to get a service guy out to replace them and now we can't these features.
My wife keeps eyeing one of the GE units. I am concerned that the coils on the heat pump would be hard to get to and clean when they eventually get covered in lint. It would only real complaint about front loaders though. That the front gasket gets water standing it in and grows mildew. If you completely dry out the barrel every time it dries the clothes, that issue would be gone.
Also, can you post a one year and maybe 5 year follow up video? My dad used to work at Home Depot and he said combo washer and driers always had reliability issues long term.
Interested to see how they hold up nowadays
It's going to take time for manufacturers to perfect these units. The Samsung is the best so far and the warranty is an appalling 1 yr!
@@SavageBits That's a standard appliance warranty here in NA. They'll happily sell you a longer one though! These appliance are not new tech. I used a Bosch condensing all-in one machine 23 years ago in the UK. It was terribly slow needing to run repeated drying cycles. I ended up drying my clothes on racks.
We have 2 of these plugged into the same 110 line. Mine live in the garage so I don’t save from air exchange but where we do save is not having to redo laundry because we forget it or it goes stinky in the drum. Best money we spent and compared to a normal setup almost cost comparable when on a labor day sale.
Which models?
Those “small” units are large full size dryer and washers in Europe… (60cm in width). There are actually even smaller top loaders at 40cm. And wait till you find out in Europe we usually do not even use dryers.
When we built in 2010 we bought the same brand. Neither the washer or dryer lasted and repairs were expensive. Got Maytag washer and Dryer now at 1/4th the cost of the Miele. Now that I think about it I think I suggested you not get Miele some time in the past.
I want to buy 2 washer/dryer units (the all in one types) and stack them. No need to move the washer load to the dryer, and you can do two loads at once. This is the future :)
I am curious to see how these machines hold up 5-10 years from now.
Yes! I like the idea of them and would love to not throw conditioned air outside anymore, but my current natural gas dryer was made 30 years ago and can finish a load of jeans in under 30 minutes. So that's going to be my standard for reliability and performance.
My Siemans (UK) heat pump condensing dryer lasted 12 years. What killed it was a faulty condensed water level sensor, and the cost of repair vs buying a new one with 5 year warranty wasn't that different. So now have a Bosch - which unfortunately is horrendously complicated and uses awful touch controls.
Also look at the combined washer dryers
(Posted while watching)
we bought an LG washer and Heat Pump Dryer full size. More $$$ up front but planned on the cost savings over time ...on a foamed low leak rate house
I feel like these could give people in small apartments who have always had to use public laundry units an option to have private laundry in their apartment.
This is very true. I own a rental that has a one bedroom apartment where I installed a similar unit. Venting was not going to be a good option, and having both wash and dry functions in the same unit saved on space as well.
The pipe diameter needed for the drain is larger than the drain lines normally used for sinks and tubs, so getting the drain plumbed into the drain / vent stack is going to be needed.
I had one a few years ago, an LG. It really did not dry the clothes all that well. I liked the idea, and the underlying theory seems good, but it took longer to get the clothes to an "almost dry but not really something I'd want to put on state". Maybe the newer ones work better.
Purchased one of those units a decade ago from LG on the smaller side as you did and it never worked properly. Neither LG nor Home Depot would make it right. Home Depot employees stated they don’t sell the units because they were garbage. (I ordered the unit online. ). Thankfully, my credit card company handle the situation once I share all the documentation and drama.
Double washers has been my standard for 20 years.
A washer in the master closet is a standard for me.
I wish someone made a 2-drum unit that's the same height as a traditional double-stacked washer/dryer and would fit in the same space. You'd only need one set of controls, one detergent tank, one water/drain connection, one power plug (might need to be 220 at that point), etc.
I have a heat pump dryer with my washer on the bottom. I don’t like all in one machines so the LG tower system works great for me. Can wash while you dry if needed. Fits in the same space too. Bosch makes a ventless system but without heat pump so not sure how efficient but at least you’re not pulling in air from the outside.
While I don't want to minimize the effects of conditioning the make-up air, I have a hard time believing that it is twice the cost of operating a dryer that is "unconditioning" an equal volume of air. Consider the case of Austin in the summer, much of the cycle the dryer is putting out air that is at least as hot, if not hotter, than the outside air with more humidity. For simplicity, lets say that averaging in the heat up and cool down, the dry puts out air the same temperature and humidity as the outside air. Now the dryer adds as much sensible and latent heat to the exhaust as must be removed from the make-up air. But the dryer uses straight electric resistance heat. The make-up air is conditioned with a heat pump which is moving roughly 3 Watts of energy for every Watt of energy consumed by the a/c unit. This would make the cost of conditioning the make-up air one third the cost of running the dryer.
I know that I made a lot of assumptions, but it certainly puts a lot of doubt in my mind of the validity of Chat GBT's results which shows the electrical use of conditioning the make-up air 6x higher than my estimate.
You have a heat pump so your HVAC system should be a lot better than a COP of 0.9.
1:36 Matt I cannot believe your wife let you get away with that setup !
It's not only the question of sucking the air out of the house and depressurizing. Here in Northern Alberta that outlet is a devastating cold trap. Often you can actually see ice build up on the outlet at he inside. Of course mold follows promptly.
Miele washing machines are always on the small size, most of them are 8kg, they do have 2 at 10kg, one reason I went for LG, at 12kg, I also have a LG heat pump dryer, again because of its size. The LG dryer also self cleans. Using the condensed water, there is still a filter, but I don’t have to clean the coil,
I have that GE unit and its great.
I have never heard of this kind of washer / dryer. I'm lazy AND cheap so it sounds perfect!
These are more expensive than the traditional models sold in the USA.
I’ve used both condensing and now a heat pump dryer. The LG heat pump is much much larger than the euro condensing. You can do normal size loads I mean.
I'll be interested to see how that washer-dryer combo lasts. I've had to replace a drain pump and a couple of water valves in the thing over just two years of use. Not really impressed with its reliability.
I’ve had such bad luck with GE appliances and their support for over the years that I will not touch any thing they make. Well…their T-700 line of aircraft turbines were good!😊
I just got my LG,, equivalent unit and I love it. My unit sticker states 10 dollars a year with gas water heater.
Aren't bigger versions of Miele available? They also have all-in-one washer and dryers. By the way, you should allow for air ventilation arond the unit.
Now this is awesome info, who would of thought, thanks!
Matt, did you look at the LG all in one? If you get the new (optional) pet hair filter it solves the issue of lint getting on the coils. We really like the LG, was a little worried about the GE lint filter.
I’ve not seen that one. I’ll research it! We have an LG spec’d on The Risinger Build
It would be cool if gas dryers had an intake port as well as exhaust, so you could isolate it's air consumption from the conditioned space.
The cost savings from energy efficiency are great but don't sacrifice time efficiency to save pennies...
Given the dryer is ventless, one must assume the condensate is dumped into the same drain as the wash water. The question then is: What is the probability of build up in the condensate drip line of obstructive build-up, such as mold, micro lint particles, etc., and what can be done to alleviate that problem?
Great observations!!
LG Ventless Heatpump dryer - 7.8 CU ft and works amazing.
those numbers need to be adjust for a non gas furnace (heat pump;COP~3.5 to 5.0) on the energy loss side of the equation, and also on the makeup side electricity rates change if you have a NEM metering contract, electricity rates can be around $0.40 to $0.50/kWhr
Wow, is that expensive! I'm still salty over my rate going up to $0.13/kWh.
Where does the water/humidity go from the combo unit? Same drain as the washer? What about from the Miela dryer?
Good review. Too bad not more lint get washed away in the drain. Definitely improve the opportunity there, especially that it is a washer afterall. So the dryer benefit the washer for drying it and avoiding mold. Unfortunately the washer does not contribute to keeping the dryer clean too!