PRL HVI + KTUNER Stage 2 - DYNO TESTED!!! // 10th Gen (2018+) Honda Accord
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- Does the addition of the PRL HVI to the KTUNER Stage 2 ECU tune add any additional horsepower? Let's find out how much horsepower & torque the KTUNER Stage 2 off the shelf (OTS) ECU base map w/ the PRL High Volume Intake (HVI) makes on a 2019 Honda Accord 2.0! Will the PRL HVI add a substantial increase in horsepower on top of the KTuner Stage 2 tune!?! We put our 10th Gen Honda Accord - a 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring project car on a DYNOJET dyno to compare our Honda Accord stock baseline dyno numbers (using 91 octane) to the KTUNER ECU tune + PRL HVI to find out if KTUNER's and PRL's performance claims are accurate. We'll routinely dyno test our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring as we continue on our Honda Accord's modification journey - next up, a custom ECU tune, or the Phearable Stage 3 ECU tune, PRL intercooler or PRL downpipe, you can help decide...
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You’re the hero that the 10th Gen Accord community needs, awesome video!
How would a combination of a Tune (stage 2 or above) + Intake system (Mishi, or PRL) + a Downpipe perform? Seems like that is what most people run
☺️. Thank you - you made my day!! And recommendation noted 😉
The intro was amazing, I was hyped
Thanks for your hard work and time to set this up for us! Really do appreciate it? Can’t wait to see what u do next!! Hopefully u gain extra hp and torque without losing anything with your next video!!!
Thanks, Brandon! I appreciate your support and positive comment 👍. I hope too that we’ll start seeing some real gains from some future mods 🤷♂️
Wow! Very insightful! Maybe the stock airbox is all we need! You’re helping tons of people with this
Thank you. I’m glad to hear that. I hope others find the information useful as well. 👍
Love your videos!
Thank you! Appreciate the love 😁
My vote is for the phereable stage 3 tune + PRL HVI. I’ve heard good things about that tune and I’m willing to get it even though my warranty powertrain is 7 years on my 19 2.0 Touring. Again, keep the awesome vids coming 💪🏼
Thanks for the feedback. Seems like there’s a large audience to see how it stacks up to Phearable.
Thank you for uploading. Since we now know the difference the PRL HVI makes is not significant, I would suggest that you leave it on and upload the Phereable stage 3 tune in order to compare Ktuner's ots tune with the Phereable...apples to apples. Thank you!
Makes sense 😉. Once again, thank you for your continued support 👍
I'm surprised that it didn't do more. Maybe because it's an off the shelf tune and a custom tune to the intake would yield better results? Anyway, thanks for posting, I always look forward to more accord videos on this channel :)
Thanks for your support, John. 👍. Even with a custom tune, I don’t think the air intake is going to make much difference 🤷♂️
Another vote for Phearable Stage 3 with stock air box (that is my setup, plus Borla and Hasport torque mounts). I looks like the aftermarket air filter assemblies don't make much difference, based on your testing.
Unfortunately it does look that way 😔
Yeah I have stock box but prl drop in filter. Also run 93 with K stg2. Save y’all’s $400
It’s looking that way. Put that money towards something else 👍
@@TheLemonFactor I'm looking forward to seeing you test the Phearable Stage 3 with stock air box.
Stay tuned 👍
I would like to see a reset with Phearable Stage 3, meaning stock intake and PRL HV intake. Great job with your videos also, very methodical and informative.
Thank you! I just reinstalled the stock intake and loaded the Phearable Stage 3 tune today 😉
@@TheLemonFactor Nice. I’m eager to see the numbers here. I currently run a Phearable stage 3 w/stock intake on my 21 TLX A-Spec.
Would love if you did the comparison between the tunes with the prl downpipe
I do plan on testing out the tune with a downpipe 👍
Thanks for continuing to put out helpful content.
My vote would be for the Phearable tune with the stock intake. The PRL HVI didn't add anything at stock or stage 2 so not sure why it would add anything at Stage 3.
Thanks, Jeff! I’m glad you found the video helpful 👍
Phearable stage 3 tune, keep hvi on!!
One vote for keeping the PRL HVI on 👍
Stock air box and Phearable tune would be my vote as I’m debating whether or not an aftermarket intake is worth it. Thanks for the info. 👍🏻
Got it. Thanks for the watch and for leaving a comment, Danny.
Wow, not at all what I was expecting. The fact it loses torque is enough for me to say no to the PRL HVI. Great video as usual!
It is disappointing, but now we know 🤷♂️. Thanks for the support 👍
Great video. Just recently got my ktuner for my 2.0t accord. Haven't flash yet just running stock tune and doing some data logging. Want to see if the 91 that I'm using a of high quality. I'm interested to know at what k.con value power output starts to drop due to the ECU pulling timing? And also want to know is there any mods that would improve k.con without changing the fuel, for example aftermarket intercooler.
For the next test I concur with some of the comments leave the prl intake and test the pharable stage 3. And thanks for tracking the k.con during normal driving, spirited driving and dyno testing.
Thanks, Edward! I will be testing the Phearable Stage 3 next 👍
Its a new version of PRL HV intake. Need to do everything again. 😎
Would love to see the power gains from a after market downpipe
Me too. And I just so happen to have one sitting in a box 😉
Custom tune! I might be biased but I have to recommend my guy DramaTune. He tuned my Mazdaspeed3 back in the day and has branched out to Ecoboost and the CTR/Accord platform in the recent years and I love my Accord now. Seeing your results has made me fat and happy right here with just a custom tune and stock otherwise lol.
Thanks for the tuner recommendation 👍
Can you please do dyno testing with the stock air box using K&n drop in,AFE PRO 5R, and HPS drop in?
I have tested the PRL drop in air filter. If you haven’t seen that video, checkout the Honda Accord playlist on the channel 👍
Hey Chad, Another awesome video mate! It would be good too see the Stage 3 done by its self then do another with Stage 3 + Intake...
Any thoughts on PCDs or exhaust mods in the future?
It seems to be the consensus 👍. I do plan on testing out a downpipe in the near future 😁
@@TheLemonFactor Looking forward too it man!!
Take the PRL off and check Phearable tune only. Comparison between the two tunes would be better. Not a lot of videos comparing stock tunes.
Good point 🤔
I'd love to see you compare the Phearable tune to the ktuner tune. This is such a highly contested debate on the Accord FB pages. I'd also love to see you run a PRL flex fuel kit and see the difference there too.
So jump to the Phearable Stage 3 next, leaving the PRL HVI on?
@@TheLemonFactor yes
Make sure the pherable tune is for the prl hvi.
I would recommend the phearable stage 3 with stock air box . I now know that I won’t be getting an HVI on my car due to these results. I will save my 400 and put it to a bigger turbo or custom tune.
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I’d love to see if you get the same results with stage 2 & the mishimoto air intake
I wouldn’t expect the Mishimoto air intake to perform any differently than the PRL HVI 🤷♂️
need to see stage 3 and hvi
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Yeah not surprising gains were minimal. Factory intake does a decent job. The HVI however should aid in airflow when moving to something like a type R turbo either stock or MHI stage 2
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Based on what you have stated about your k.con numbers, your fuel quality is going to be what is holding you back from seeing gains.
You may want to consider conducting testing with better quality fuel which allows k.con to stay closer to .49
You will also need to make sure your driving the vehicle after a reflash and allowing k.con to settle to 0.49 before Dyno testing.
Thanks for the watch and comment. 👍. Looking forward to testing your Phearable Stage 3 next 😁
With the ktuner stage 2 can you drive with 87 instead of 91+? Will that some how harm the car?
Good question. Absolutely, not. You must use 91 octane or better (ideally) - do not use 87 octane as you can potentially damage your engine.
How were the fuel trims driving around with the PRL HVI? Thanks for helpful Videos!
Nothing stood out regarding the LTFT. ~-3-5% under normal driving conditions, and 0 or just above during aggressive pulls.
Jump to the phearable stage 3 with stock Air intake... that's what I would like to see next
Hopefully you’re subscribed and have notifications turned on, because it’s on its way 😉👍
Do you need 91 octane to run this tune safely & reliably as a daily for long term?
Yes, you must use premium gas with the KTuner tunes - a minimum of 91 octane, but 93 octane is preferred! 👍
Another great video! I say leave the intake on. If it made a bigger difference over the stock stage 2 tune, maybe put the stock intake back on and try the Phearable tune, but for a lot of people running the PRL or Mishimoto intakes, I think most people would rather see you compare the tunes alone since it's pretty well accepted that the intakes don't affect performance very much either way (unless you have a Takeda or eBay intake!)
Thank you for your support! 😁👍. Good points. How much more horsepower do you think the Phearable Stage 3 will add?
@@TheLemonFactor according to who we both know on the AXF Facebook page… not very much. BUT, I’ve never seen an actual dyno video so who knows? If it gives you another 20hp and 30-40lb ft of torque, that’s a good amount of power for only $180 if you don’t want to spend $500 or more on a custom tune.
My guess is an extra 10whp 🤔 with the Phearable Stage 3 tune.
@@TheLemonFactor rom what Dan Villa said it feels like a much smoother torque curve with more power higher in the RPM range. Even if it’s only a 10hp gain, as long as it’s going up top, it’s still a good deal for the money because, as we all know, there’s more than enough power on the low end already. 10whp and whatever additional torque there is for $180 is dirt cheap.
👍. We’re going to find out 😁
Is there any tuners in Colorado you’d recommend? I want to get a custom tune on my accord but don’t know of any places😅
None that I'm aware of, but I haven't really looked either. You can get a custom tune from John Vega of Phearable, and Derek Robinson of IMW (just to name two) via etune, which I highly recommend.
@@TheLemonFactor I’ve heard of derick but I didn’t know phearable did a custom tune, thank you for letting me know!
Any aftermarket clutch options for the 10th gen accord 1.5t manual? Wanna add power but it seems the oem clutch is weak.
None that I’m aware of, but I haven’t looked into it given that I have the 10 Auto. With that said, you might want to check with Exedy.
I question only 2 hp gain it has to be elevation I noticed so much more power from prl intake v2
Nope, air intakes add very little power on this platform 👍. It shouldn’t be a surprise after our air intake series in which we dyno test various brands. If you haven’t seen the videos, head over to the channel page and check them out 👍
@@TheLemonFactor I swear I feel a big upgrade for me when I installed mine I had tire spine and noise and didnt have that before the install. I felt more get up and go. any chance v2 does a bit more power since its 1 piece ?
I sincerely doubt the v2 would be any different 🤷♂️.
What's the bone stock dyno hp n tq numbers? Cuz they seem to be higher than what Honda claims I think.
Checkout the channel playlist as I do have a video in which we establish the new baseline numbers 👍
Lets do phearable stage 3 base with the factory intake nd then phearable stage 3 with the hvi!!!
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phearable tune 3 with base intake
With OEM air intake?
@@TheLemonFactor Yes!!
@@TheLemonFactor phearable stage 3 with k&n drop in would be cool to see. I decided to go with the drop in over the full intake. Seems like the move!
We’ll first see what our results are with the PRL HVI, if any 🤔
Hey how can I check my kcon levels? I'm going from stage 2 to stage 3 soon so I want to be able to know what it is.
It’s an option (of many) sensor readings to choose from to visually monitor on the KTuner V2 screen. I do have a video on the channel page under the Honda Accord playlist that shows how to setup the screen 👍
I want to see the stage 3 on stock
Coming up 😉
Type r turbo and stage 3
Type R turbo 🤔
Do you have any experience or thoughts on the Pedal Commander? How does it work? Or what does it do exactly?
First, It does not give the car more HP. Some people think that is what it does but it doesn’t.
What it does do is open the throttle faster so there is less lag and opens it wider so it gets up to speed faster. Basically allows the car to do what it can and not hold it back like the manufacturer designed. I had a sprint booster ( same concept as pedal commander) and it really improved the driving experience. It will feel like your being shot out of a canon when you press the gas.
Are you thinking about buying one?
Do it with both on the stage 3 tune to see the difference
How much do you think the Phearable Stage 3 tune will add?
I know this is not the channel but I have looked everywhere with no luck. I have a 2004 Honda Element in need of a a rear trailing arm. They cost $700 plus as compared to a 2004 CRV which is half the price.
Would you know if they are interchangeable? The dealer goes by the part number so they tell me no.
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Do you have E85 available? You will need to add some for stage 3 imo. I run 1.5 gal with 93 to keep knock down in .50-.55 range.
Good to know. Thank you. What is the K.con without adding E85?
@@TheLemonFactor .49-.59 on 93
.49-.69 on 91 is where Phearable says range should fall. They suggest 1.5 gal of E85. Anything .80+ suggest a lack of quality gas. I'm currently running Phearable Stage 3 with JB4 Map 1 stacked on top. Running an E30 blend w 4 gal of E85 and 11 gal of 93. Terry Burger helped set it up and looked at numerous logs. Traction is an issue! Pulls hard everywhere, especially up top. Check your email. I'll send the Phearable info.
@@TheLemonFactor email sent from my Gmail account. Thanks for your hard work on testing. It's time consuming. Todd
👍. Have you dyno’d your car?
It is. I’m just glad to see / hear that so many find the information helpful - makes it all worthwhile for me 😁
the answer to your question at the end.. how about videos on both topics 😂
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Only if this intake could've provided some whoosh sounds is the only reason for me I would spend the money for one , and get something in return. I wonder if the V2 maybe could provide a small bump in performance and maybe sound.
The Mishimoto would give you a small bump in hp, while also providing some sound, especially with the panel removed 👍
I think the Mishimoto Air Intake would of been better then PRL HVI. Remove the PRL before testing the Phearable Stage 3.
I believe we would have had the same results with the Mishimoto intake 🤷♂️
Couple of ideas: ktuner st2 w/ custom air intake- ktuner st2 flex fuel vs phearable stage 4- ktuner st2 flex fuel & meth vs the same but custom tune
But if you keep doing intakes do the custom intake idea, intakes don’t really give you good hp for what you pay for. So, ebay maf adapter($30) plm intake hose($40) and air filter of your choice($40-80) still way cheaper than all other intakes & will still most likely only give you a 2-4 hp increase. Also tbh it’s probably best do a base tune first with pharable for more accurate results and then compare numbers with intake
I’ve always been skeptical of the air intake claims 😏. I don’t think we’ll see any real gains from any intake or intake customization 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor agreed. I only did custom intake because I already had a filter from my project car & cuz turbo noises lol. Bout $60 in total vs $400. Also, prl came out with a v2 hvi incase you wanna try that. They claim they made improvements but i don’t really know what worthy improvement would be worth $420
Looks like all they’ve changed is the plastic intake scoop piece - sincerely doubt it’s going to add any additional horsepower 🙄
@@TheLemonFactor lmao thats what im saying, idk why people keep thinking its worth the $$. Id buy a flex fuel kit instead, anyways thanks for the videos please keep em coming 🤙🏽
I'll loan you my JB4 tuner w/wifi if you want to use it for dyno testing. You can change Maps (tunes) on the fly. 5 or 6 maps available.
Thank you for your offer. I’ll definitely consider it 🤔. Oh, and thanks for sending the email. 👍
stock with stage 3 pleasse
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So you gained roughly 2 HP, however you lost torque.... Its obvious to me that you should save the $450 that you spent on the PRL and maybe purchase a down pipe and just run the Stock intake.. Seems like The engineers at honda did a really good job
Looks that way 🤷♂️. But now we know 👍
Am I missing something here? In your phearable video th-cam.com/video/S5ZDbIWAf7c/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheLemonFactor%21LLC, you had 250 hp for the ktuner stage 2, but here you have roughly 280, also more than the stage 3 phearable from 267.
Yes and no... and good question that I'm surprised others haven't asked. The original tests were done on a different dyno (but same DynoJet type) on 93 octane, at sea-level. I've since moved, and am retesting at much higher elevation (5,600ft), on 91 octane, with a new dyno, and with a car, that's much more so broken in.
@@TheLemonFactor Ah okay makes sense So basically the phearable (as it claims) should be better when you dyno it next time?
Yes. I would expect the Phearable to produce better results than the most recent KTuner dyno test 👍
@@TheLemonFactor waiting on that flex fuel + stage 4 phearable o_o
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The masses seem to like the PRL HVI and I don't understand why.. How about the the Mishimoto with the stage 2. If Im not mistaken the Mishimoto was the best Intake for the price on your previous video. Or am I just being biased because I chose to go with the Mishimoto................
There does seem to be an overwhelming support for the PRL HVI 🤷♂️🤔
You are correct based on the videos but then again I went with mishi too. Lol.
I like the Mishimoto a tad better as it will be much easier to change / clean the air filter when the time comes.
Chad, love the videos. I too would like to see ktuner v2 vs phearable stage 3. Doesn’t matter what other mods as long as they are the same when testing the 2 different tunes.
Thanks for the support 😁! Phearable Stage 3 will be coming up 👍
Chad, again thanks for another great video! I’d like to see just stage 3 then stage 3 with prl hvi, not sure if that makes sense but that’s the setup I have atm and am curious what the gains are from stage 2-3 and from 3 with hvi. Curious if it was money well spent on prl hvi or…. Thanks again brotha!!
Thank you for your positive comment 😁. It does seem to be the logical next steps, especially if we really want to compare the KTuner stage 2 to the Phearable Stage 3. 👍
Downpipe next!!!!
I’m hopeful a downpipe will add some nice gains 🤞
air in air out
Hey Chad, I’ve watched all the series on the 10th gen great data by the way. I feel like before you go stage 3 and removing parts why don’t we try a custom tune with the HVI to see if someone is able to maximize the PRL intake and get a good calibration for the different air. I would leave it same stage and then just do the custom tune and see weather that brings any gains. Thanks again for all the research man . 👍
A custom tune will bring additional gains, but you won’t know it it was because of the tune or the air intake that you got the gains from. 🤷♂️