Don’t have to disclose it if you don’t want to but what mail-in tune did the bike come with? Moore Mafia and 2Wheeldynoworks are the most popular in the groups that I ride with.
This particular flash I'm not sure. But I retune a lot of bikes from many different places. Sometimes people are looking for something very specific that a mail in just can't get right or its such a hassle going back and forth on it all that it turns into them getting a custom tune.
My S1KRR &M1KRR Have been the only two bikes that I've benefited from a ordered tune! If my two bikes weren't on a closed loop system then I would be right back to the dyno just like every other bike I previously owned! My S1KRR I roll race and had to put it on the dyno to get EVERYTHING I needed out of it switching from MR12 to an E85 tune.
I am grateful to find your Channel!! Great content. When I come visit Citrus County, my bike runs so lean, Al Capone would be proud of my gunshots. Coming from near 5,000 feet elevation, I realized the Air Density and Density Altitude in Citrus County was commanding a whopping 14% (+/-) addition of fuel. Once I added the fueling required, my bike was running strong with all that extra oxygen!! Right now, my weather App shows YOUR LOCATION to be 85.2 Degrees, Humidity at 51%, Pressure of 30.06 InHg, Altitude of 31 feet. However, your DENSITY ALTITUDE (DA) is 1,816 feet. Even though your DA is 1,816 feet, your Air Density is still 94.79% achieving an SAE Relative HP of 99.78%. Here, where I am? Right now, my DA is 6,328 feet and my SAE Relative HP is a horrible 84.36%!! From my location to yours as of this comment, I would require 14.53% more fuel to compensate for 12.03% more Air Density. I'd like to speak with you and put a plan of action into place to dial in (perfect) a tune for Florida. My current setup is using Woolich Racing Software. Can you work with this? If not, I can bring my laptop and make any changes you dictate based off of the dynograph readings. I have 100% access to make adjustments where necessary (IAP, TPS, ETV, IGNITION, AUTOBLIPPER, QUICKSHIFTER, ETC). Let me know your thoughts. Thank you in advance.
I like watching your video's you're kind of new to me I'm a big fan of another tuner guy, but I like the fact you've been honest about mail in flashes was considering doing it to my bike but I don't live in the states,and my bike isn't going to get good numbers, might reach 100-103hp after the flash but I'm not looking for hp I want to get rid of the jerkiness in the throttle,and derestrict the ecu
There are options in the ecu to where you can make the off/on throttle response a little smoother without messing with the fuel mapping. But to get it all perfect, usually some manipulation of the fuel tables are required. 👍
Is it possible to just keep the secondary throttle valves fully open so that it has no more effect on the power delivery. It is as if the bike has only one set of throttle plates, the primary throttle plates only. Why do we even have secondary throttle plates anyway? Those are controlled by the ECU. We think we have 100% full throttle on the primary throttle but then again the secondary throttle plates will just shut us down back to partiall throttle, sort of.
So almost all of the newer style drive by wire bikes now have a single row of throttle plates instead of 2 rows. I have tested the 100% wide open plates vs other methods and leaving them open 100% of the time showed me that you would loose lower end torque / hp. Now, it has been a long time since I have tested that again with advancements in technology but it's something I'll probably visit again in the future 👍
An overlay of your usual mail in tune vs your just tuned map from the dyno would be best. Will you update your mail in flash to the newer just dyno'd map ? 10 hp+ over the other mail in flash is impressive, very surprised it only gained 3+ hp going from a 12.4 AFR to your final tune AFR.
I have many different maps depending on the bikes and mods. What I do is I baseline the bike first (usually with a stock map) so I have an idea as to what map will work best for that bike. In this case, since it easier flashed by someone else, it was more of a guess on what map to put into it. 👍👍
I totally agree with your thumbnail something is way off on my mail in tune..😞..and when I called the #1 tuner it’s let’s pop jokes and not be serious about my concerns..😞..
I'm sorry to hear that. Every tune we do, I have to listen intently as to what the rider uses their bike for, so that I can try to get everything done on their wishlist and then some. Not every tuner cares to what their clients actually want and are in it for just the $$$
I live in the midwest so these mail-in style places are the only option for me. I wish it weren't the case, I'm just not the kind of person to drive it 400+mi.
I understand completely man. There is another way for people in remote areas. We fp remote tuning to help provide assistance for situations such as that. You need a datalogger and be able to pull data from the bike so adjustments can be made after the initial flash
mooore ppl just like me wasted money on a mail order tune my r1 was riddled w check engine lights and a crappy tune. glad a spent a grand w you to fix the tune and delete my bazaz right b4 i sold it. newer customer was very grateful. ty again
We are extremely thorough in our tuning. We check almost every cell in the tune. Whether it be a retune, new bike that hasn't been tuned, or a bike that has been flashed by another company. I will start showing more of this in future videos, it is just hard to cram it all in to a 15-20min video. Thank you for the comment 🤙
When we install the wiring to flash and dyno tune this particular bike, you have to remove the top half of the airbox to get to the ecu / wiring. During this time we usually blow out the airbox and air filter. In this case he had a newer sprint p08 air filter that needed very little cleaning up 👍👍
I have a 22 zx10r 2200 miles on it. It has a BT Moto tune on it there are no dyno shops near me what would you recommend that works like having it dyno tuned but will fix bad mail in flash tunes thanks
Not much unfortunately. Since it is bt moto flashed, you could purchase a datalogger and pull the datalog files off and send them your files so they can make adjustments off of those but I'm not sure what kind of support they will supply you. Some companies won't help you with things such as that. You will have to contact them and ask 👍
Not sure on shipping fees but we charge $750 for a full custom ecu flash and dyno tuning session for those bikes. Provided they are naturally aspirated 👍
@@provenpowercycles $750's not bad. It's the shippin' costs that'll prob whoop my ass. Thanx 4 the reply! How do i retrain the info so i can get my bike shipped out?
The average rider knows that a custom ( tune ) is better than a mailed in ECU flash vs stock ECU. 100% OF BIKES that have a mailed in ECU flash are faster than stock
I do this every day, I have seen bikes come in making less than stock hp from a bad mail in flash. Not all bikes have easy factory restrictions that you can just "remove" to make it faster. Some require a little more in depth tuning. 👍👍
I try ro go over a lot of the graph but we have to edit a lot out to keep the videos within an acceptable time frame lol thank you for pointing that out as well, much appreciated 🙌
Don’t have to disclose it if you don’t want to but what mail-in tune did the bike come with? Moore Mafia and 2Wheeldynoworks are the most popular in the groups that I ride with.
Moore mafia mail in tunes actually tune your ecu to your specs. I have moore mafia mail and I'm at 195hp full system, stacks and filter
This particular flash I'm not sure. But I retune a lot of bikes from many different places.
Sometimes people are looking for something very specific that a mail in just can't get right or its such a hassle going back and forth on it all that it turns into them getting a custom tune.
My S1KRR &M1KRR Have been the only two bikes that I've benefited from a ordered tune! If my two bikes weren't on a closed loop system then I would be right back to the dyno just like every other bike I previously owned! My S1KRR I roll race and had to put it on the dyno to get EVERYTHING I needed out of it switching from MR12 to an E85 tune.
I am grateful to find your Channel!! Great content. When I come visit Citrus County, my bike runs so lean, Al Capone would be proud of my gunshots. Coming from near 5,000 feet elevation, I realized the Air Density and Density Altitude in Citrus County was commanding a whopping 14% (+/-) addition of fuel. Once I added the fueling required, my bike was running strong with all that extra oxygen!! Right now, my weather App shows YOUR LOCATION to be 85.2 Degrees, Humidity at 51%, Pressure of 30.06 InHg, Altitude of 31 feet. However, your DENSITY ALTITUDE (DA) is 1,816 feet. Even though your DA is 1,816 feet, your Air Density is still 94.79% achieving an SAE Relative HP of 99.78%. Here, where I am? Right now, my DA is 6,328 feet and my SAE Relative HP is a horrible 84.36%!! From my location to yours as of this comment, I would require 14.53% more fuel to compensate for 12.03% more Air Density. I'd like to speak with you and put a plan of action into place to dial in (perfect) a tune for Florida. My current setup is using Woolich Racing Software. Can you work with this? If not, I can bring my laptop and make any changes you dictate based off of the dynograph readings. I have 100% access to make adjustments where necessary (IAP, TPS, ETV, IGNITION, AUTOBLIPPER, QUICKSHIFTER, ETC). Let me know your thoughts. Thank you in advance.
I think you should do a how to series .
Brakes
Braided lines
Oil changes
Clutch changes
Etc ..
Its cool seeing new people coming on the tuning scene. Keeps things from getting stale by only doing the same old shit.
Good explanation, especially how rich tune can dilute the engine oil
Thank you 🙏
Great video!Looking forward to having my Honda Grom tuned.
Yessir 👍
Another excellent piece of work. Thanks for doing these very informative videos.
No problem ! As the channel grows, we will keep providing people with more valuable and informative info! 🙌
Another excellent video. Can you please explain why more aggressively geared bikes make less top end power?
I like watching your video's you're kind of new to me I'm a big fan of another tuner guy, but I like the fact you've been honest about mail in flashes was considering doing it to my bike but I don't live in the states,and my bike isn't going to get good numbers, might reach 100-103hp after the flash but I'm not looking for hp I want to get rid of the jerkiness in the throttle,and derestrict the ecu
There are options in the ecu to where you can make the off/on throttle response a little smoother without messing with the fuel mapping. But to get it all perfect, usually some manipulation of the fuel tables are required. 👍
Great job guys
Thank you 🙌
Is it possible to just keep the secondary throttle valves fully open so that it has no more effect on the power delivery. It is as if the bike has only one set of throttle plates, the primary throttle plates only. Why do we even have secondary throttle plates anyway? Those are controlled by the ECU. We think we have 100% full throttle on the primary throttle but then again the secondary throttle plates will just shut us down back to partiall throttle, sort of.
So almost all of the newer style drive by wire bikes now have a single row of throttle plates instead of 2 rows. I have tested the 100% wide open plates vs other methods and leaving them open 100% of the time showed me that you would loose lower end torque / hp. Now, it has been a long time since I have tested that again with advancements in technology but it's something I'll probably visit again in the future 👍
@@provenpowercycles Will be watching out for that. Thanks.
An overlay of your usual mail in tune vs your just tuned map from the dyno would be best. Will you update your mail in flash to the newer just dyno'd map ? 10 hp+ over the other mail in flash is impressive, very surprised it only gained 3+ hp going from a 12.4 AFR to your final tune AFR.
I have many different maps depending on the bikes and mods. What I do is I baseline the bike first (usually with a stock map) so I have an idea as to what map will work best for that bike.
In this case, since it easier flashed by someone else, it was more of a guess on what map to put into it. 👍👍
I totally agree with your thumbnail something is way off on my mail in tune..😞..and when I called the #1 tuner it’s let’s pop jokes and not be serious about my concerns..😞..
I'm sorry to hear that. Every tune we do, I have to listen intently as to what the rider uses their bike for, so that I can try to get everything done on their wishlist and then some. Not every tuner cares to what their clients actually want and are in it for just the $$$
I live in the midwest so these mail-in style places are the only option for me. I wish it weren't the case, I'm just not the kind of person to drive it 400+mi.
I understand completely man. There is another way for people in remote areas. We fp remote tuning to help provide assistance for situations such as that. You need a datalogger and be able to pull data from the bike so adjustments can be made after the initial flash
mooore ppl just like me wasted money on a mail order tune my r1 was riddled w check engine lights and a crappy tune. glad a spent a grand w you to fix the tune and delete my bazaz right b4 i sold it. newer customer was very grateful. ty again
Awesome man! That's badass! 🙌
You said it's running way Rich .. I assume only at full throttle .. I don't think you checked half throttle 25% or 30%??
We are extremely thorough in our tuning. We check almost every cell in the tune. Whether it be a retune, new bike that hasn't been tuned, or a bike that has been flashed by another company.
I will start showing more of this in future videos, it is just hard to cram it all in to a 15-20min video. Thank you for the comment 🤙
Hi,
Is the ignition adjusted?
zx10r does not like ignition setting
Yes ignition timing mapping is altered 🤙
@@provenpowercycles thx,good job
Nice video. Do you have one weighing the pros and cons of flashed ecu vs power commander?
I will do a video or a short regarding this! It's a lot of info but I'll see if I can fit it all into a minute or 2 🙌
Custom map detailed you’re bike is the only way to go surely
Could it be that the air filter is clogged ?
When we install the wiring to flash and dyno tune this particular bike, you have to remove the top half of the airbox to get to the ecu / wiring. During this time we usually blow out the airbox and air filter.
In this case he had a newer sprint p08 air filter that needed very little cleaning up 👍👍
Thoughts on a sprint P08 for daily use? Have seems forums posts and friends have said it let's in too much dirt
@@provenpowercycles
I have a 22 zx10r 2200 miles on it. It has a BT Moto tune on it there are no dyno shops near me what would you recommend that works like having it dyno tuned but will fix bad mail in flash tunes thanks
Not much unfortunately. Since it is bt moto flashed, you could purchase a datalogger and pull the datalog files off and send them your files so they can make adjustments off of those but I'm not sure what kind of support they will supply you. Some companies won't help you with things such as that. You will have to contact them and ask 👍
@@provenpowercycles thanks
I also have the ability to flash the ECU back to stock so I’m trying look in something else that offers data logging.
How much would it be to send in my 23 Gsxr1000r 4rm LA to get dyno tunned?
Not sure on shipping fees but we charge $750 for a full custom ecu flash and dyno tuning session for those bikes. Provided they are naturally aspirated 👍
@@provenpowercycles $750's not bad.
It's the shippin' costs that'll prob whoop my ass. Thanx 4 the reply! How do i retrain the info so i can get my bike shipped out?
The average rider knows that a custom ( tune ) is better than a mailed in ECU flash vs stock ECU. 100% OF BIKES that have a mailed in ECU flash are faster than stock
I do this every day, I have seen bikes come in making less than stock hp from a bad mail in flash. Not all bikes have easy factory restrictions that you can just "remove" to make it faster. Some require a little more in depth tuning. 👍👍
Call the name out bruh, he doesn't want any Kawasaki stronger than a Zuke. Call him on the b.s.
Lol man it aint even about the zukes. All of them are like this...
+10 hp @ 800 RPM sooner should be brought to everyone's attention too ! Compared to the 'other mail in flash'
I try ro go over a lot of the graph but we have to edit a lot out to keep the videos within an acceptable time frame lol thank you for pointing that out as well, much appreciated 🙌