Were the sons of God EVIL from the beginning? Watch THIS!
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- Were the gods of the nations evil from the beginning? When the Lord allots the gods to the nations, "according to the number of the sons of God" (Deuteronomy 32:8-9)? The question comes from reading of their judgment in Psalm 82. When did they go bad? You have two options. Check it out!
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In my opinion even though they are seperated from God they still have to obey his orders to the letter, that would explain the hate they still harbor to this day
You’re right! Even Satan cannot act without the Most High’s permission!
We can see this in the fact demons immediately bow towards and listen to Jesus on immediate sight or command.
Im confused. Obviously they don' t follow God' s word
@@stompthedragon4010 You're right. If they had no choice but to obey God they wouldn't be rebellious and therefore wouldn't be fallen angels at that point.
@@CDPW Some degrees of freedom does not equate to complete freedom. This isn’t hard to understand…
Early church authorities wrote about loyal angels who came to earth to warn man about carnal angels (Gen 6) but then became carnal once they took on man's sin nature. I find it all that more amazing that Christ, who as a man, knew no sin became sin for us.
I know your comment is old. The angels that became carnal because they were not God. Jesus was the incarnation of God, so wouldn't be as likely to fall to carnality. I hope I didn't miss read your comment.
God could not have trusted a lesser being to carry out the Messianic mission. He knew if He wanted something done right He had to do it Himself.
I haven't heard of loyal angels who came to Earth and fell after the fact. That's just depressing. Nothing can exist here without becoming evil?
Thank you Doctor !
Its good to have someone that has done the research to help explain these things.
Thanks for clarifying your view. I have wondered about this for a long time.
Just finished unseen realm, working on demons and angels book will be here soon. Watching you sir and Tim Mackie. Thanks for your hard work Sir. I’d love to know where I could hear your testimony.
I heard his testimony, but don't remember on which of his many videos. It's pretty funny. I wouldn't do the story justice since only Mike could tell it like he does with his wry humor.
N.W.O
Our battle is not with flesh and blood!
Aliens are demons and revealed in Shroud of Turin First image wears Crown like an Eagle Second Is wearing a Crown of Righteousness Third image has horns in its head NOT HIGHLIGHTED is above cup image look for two grey aliens of different species. THIS KNOWLEDGE IS OUR STRENGTH for if we know our enemy we will not be deceived by our enemies MOST IMPORTANTLY IT reveals the truth of life itself through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ He is the Saviour and reigns over ALL the dimensions on the Universe God bless you time is short
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Can I ask ya how many times you’ve read Gods journal from front to back
@@beppiek Honestly not sure. I’m near sixty . I do recommend Alaxander scorby audio Bible. Read or listen daily, plays while I sleep.
@@kgbear3662 thanks for responding
Shalom
Thank you for all your teachings
Proverbs 16:2:3
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; But the Lord weigheth the spirits.
Commit thy works unto the Lord, And thy thoughts shall be established.
Thank you for making me think!
First time?
Good word Sir
I can listen to Bro. Heiser all day.
Their sin must come to its fullness so His judgment can come to its fullness.
Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
He didn't make them wicked. He is justified in punishing them. He's not going to redeem them. He's not making them wicked but FOR judgement and the underlying idea throughout scripture is that they became wicked after they rebelled.
The Lord gave all his creations their agency. Thus, we are our own responsibility, its our choice to become wicked or not.
@@ronneff5379 You are absolutely right! The wicked will burn in the lake of fire! He created evil so they can choose it. Its all for the purpose of judgement. Even the wicked will proclaim His Glory! Praise You, Yahusha! Worthy is the Lamb!!!!
@@binmyrtmind Agreed, but that doesn't mean He didn't know what they would choose when He created them. Yahuah is perfect like that haha. All Glory and Praise to the Most High!!!!
@@thesmallerbear3978 That's cruel.
Your absolutely right! Miss u dr. Heiser..
Can’t say enough about how much I appreciate this incredible man of God!!!! Thank you so much Dr Heiser for your bravery in speaking apart from the common theological narratives. It’s is such a blessing to us all that you continue your mission to speak truth and bring biblical reality to ALL! Many blessings to you and yours in Yeshua!
Magic and fairytales
tom young I’m used to people being used by the enemy, often unknowingly. I see right through it. Lord bless them and draw them. 💞
Tina your enemy is your superstition and lack of critical thinking. Maybe you were brainwashed. It happens to the best of us.
Derek Allen 🤣😂🤣. Ridicule is the primary choice when ignorance, pride and rebellion are paramount. It’s only “the most potent weapon” for those who are in the dark. Your comment greatly lacks critical thinking. I take no offense. Praying for you.
Fantastic video!
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts." - That pretty much sums up anyone imagining they can pin God within very finite human logic, and scripture on both sides of the verses warns anyone about that. If itchy ears somehow caused you to circumvent that warning, then that has a cost.
Exactly, people have always told me that you can always ask whether God exists or not but the really big question is why does something exist rather than nothing. I have always responded saying that it is not such a huge question when you realise that the concept of existence means something entirely to God than it means to us. It is impossible for us to even comprehend it.
Sorry, but are saying we should agree with Heiser's teaching or we should ignore it? Or that logic does not apply to God?
@@GalenCurrah Well, just that you ask, means that you don't understand what God said. There are things that scripture warns you about in regard to prognosticating on God. One of those things is 'The Mind of God'. So..in context, I shall say Heiser does bring clarity to a few aspects of 'text' as regards origins or certain dialects etc. .but as for the parts where he flies off into fables like 'there is no 'devil' in Job' etc..Then I can say in terms of what Jesus said..Heiser is incorrect. 'Satan' is no 'employee' of God. If that were so then you should consider the Lake of Fire the hottest bonus any employee ever got.
Is Heiser always false? No.
So..you need to be careful what you sponge up. And no..your 'logic' doesn't apply to God because that's unfathomable for you...exactly as the 'warning' in Job is to anyone.
Of course you can have the vanity to think you have the logic to apply to God, but you'd be severely mistaken.
Heiser talks mostly in terms of his books, and how he connects his sometimes imaginary dots. There's an easy way to know if you can apply your logic to God.
Simply read 'God questions Job'.. then answer any 3 questions God asks Job. If you answer one, then that'll let you know for sure that you have an answer for God, so can apply your level of logic. I think that should help you with your question.
@@nevig6557 I think Galen genuinely didn't understand what you said. No need to be mean and make assumptions.
@@christinebainbridge8774 I was not being mean.😊
Of course, as you can see, if you just assumed that from my text, imagine what can happen in scriptural text?
And..that's the exact reason many think "YHWH is the evil God". Maybe you read too much into that..but scripture does WARN anyone about contesting God's thoughts and acts.
I suppose you'd think God was very mean to Job then just on 'questioning' him somewhat severely?
Or do you think all that exists for the Christian believer to "learn" something very important? Isn't God issuing you a WARNING in all that?
Im just curious because many times when someone is told something very plainly, then its all 'mean' or 'unbrotherly'.
That's generally the perception to bypass the actual point. Many people do that : to instantly imagine they're attacked, then not answer.
The example of the text may seem cutting to you because it contains a stern warning.
How would you answer Galen? Just curious.
What about the lying spirit that was put in the prophet's mouth in order to kill Ahab Kings 22: 19-22
bobby cain I wonder about that too...
I feel like a lying spirit (misleading spirit) is different than being evil though. Ahab was evil, so you’re actually combatting evil with a good spirit sent to mislead and confuse the enemy. It’s spiritual warfare. It would be like sending a jamming signal in a modern war. Or a spy giving disinformation to seal a victory on the battlefield. That’s my best understanding of it anyway.
@@ghostgate82 Fair enough; in 1 Samuel 16:14 the spirit is explicitly called an evil spirit.
The lying spirit came up with the idea and God simply gave permission to carry out what he suggested to bring on judgment ahab who rebelled. Good didn't create the lying spirit but used him.
Its not really a "lying Spirit" but the being says "I will be a lying Spirit in the Prophets mouth" it was someone from the council of God who volunteered to inact the deed of deception.
"You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?' On the contrary, who are you O man, who answers back to God?" Romans 9:19-20 It would appear that God disagrees with Dr. Heiser's reasoning here.
God often does- I dislike this quack
MIKE HEISER, glo-ba'al. You know I had to ball/Ba'al out and buy the mall out.
He's a total BA'ALLER, driving around in his Porsche like it's no big deal.
Getting us into the VIP section of the club is a BA'ALLER move, dude.
Rebellion is a symptom of greed, lust, desire: that's all.
Most excellent and persuasive argument! What about during the exodus from Egypt when the Lord sent the destroyer to kill the first born? I've been taught that this was an evil and/or fallen angel that was released just for this one night to wreak havoc on the Egyptians.
Good stuff
Wow. This is next level theology. Knowledgeable, humble and clear. Subbed. Thank you, Dr.
It is the hard truth revealed
N.W.O
Our battle is not with flesh and blood!
Aliens are demons and revealed in Shroud of Turin First image wears Crown like an Eagle Second Is wearing a Crown of Righteousness Third image has horns in its head NOT HIGHLIGHTED is above cup image look for two grey aliens of different species. THIS KNOWLEDGE IS OUR STRENGTH for if we know our enemy we will not be deceived by our enemies MOST IMPORTANTLY IT reveals the truth of life itself through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ He is the Saviour and reigns over ALL the dimensions on the Universe God bless you time is short
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I ascribe to the Enoch and jubilees version. Satan falls then watchers join. 9/10ths of fallen angels and demons are thrown into the abyss and the last 1/10th is allowed to stay in lower heaven/earth to become the accuser of man.
You are doing God work!
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
Blessings to you, Mike! Any input on the very different translations of Is54:16 to the one that I believe is most clear in LXX? 🕎❤️✝️
Have you ever seen someone punished yet at the same time have pity on them? Knowing they deserve there lot yet understanding they had better option that dosnt lead to destruction?
God gives you other to your desires
There is the concept that evil nations act like agents of God's wrath. Their intended evil is able to be used for God.
Hmmmm but what about the divine council or the story of Job? The adversaries are not evil per se, but they certainly stand in some opposition to God but it seems to be something God wants? And therefore employed by Him? Or am I missing something? Great videos as always though! God bless.
That’s what I said!!! lol did you ever get any clarification on this?
@@donkaiser491study prayer and fasting Yeshua is the best teacher
Dr.Michael S. Heiser, I love your books and the audio books too,
I was only disapointed that someone else is reading your book-( I suppose that your are to busy to do it, but I will be so cool one day to listen 2 one of your book with your voice -)
God bless you are your family for the amazing work you do..
They went bad in genesis 6. They were not evil from the beginning just as satan was not evil in the beginning.
Maybe the ones that went bad in Genesis 6 were different bunch of supernatural beings ; different from the ones that were given authority over the nations? Do you think it’s possible?
@@celal777 Sons of God in the Old testament always refers to angels. Example : The Sons of God shouted for Joy at creation, that was before man was created or the sons of God came before God and satan went with them, thats somewhere in Job i think. The angels lusted after human women and many rebelled. The book of Enoch goes into detail about it. Their bones still litter the Earth. th-cam.com/video/1zz8_MxcnzY/w-d-xo.html
@@andrewlailvaux1571 Heiser would strongly disagree. The term “angel” in the Bible is just a job task for a heavenly being. It means “messenger”. Heiser has tons of videos on TH-cam if you are interested in learning more.
@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou Well Heiser can disagree all he likes lol i am not wrong. Education time. th-cam.com/video/cPVRt8HaM68/w-d-xo.html
@@andrewlailvaux1571 haha no, you misunderstand what I was referring to. Heiser takes mostly the same view as in the video you referenced. The only difference being that Heiser wouldn’t say the sons of God are angels - but heavenly beings from God’s divine council(referenced in Psalm 82).
Sorry if my original comment wasn’t clear.
This is so interesting! I have to say since I started listening to you my mind has been blown with how different I saw God! I just never heard anything of the stuff you talk about in all my Christian life!
16:4 [The LORD hath made all things to give account unto Him: yea, even the wicked, who think they are off His hook, have to give an account unto Him on the day of judgment.]
16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Proverbs 16:2-5
And there you have it! God did NOT create the wicked so that He could punish them. He created all things to give an account unto Him, even those who think they are getting away with their sins now, are going to give an account to Him on the day of judgment.
Why would he create them just to give an account of their deeds? He already knows what they'll do and why they'll do it even before they exist. Doesn't make sense. Obviously there's more to it
What about Romans 9? God’s sovereignty gets thrown under the bus in a diehard effort to maintain man’s (and even angels) “free will”. God does all that he pleases. God is good. Period.
They said we're good.
He said you don't know what Good is without Me.
We'll show You we know.
You will fail and fall.
I do have a question 🙋🏾♀️ and maybe you’ve already addressed this. But what about the lying spirit that the Most High sent out to be in mouth of the prophets?
1 John 5:19 says, "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." There is a separation from the heavenly God and the Ruler of the World who is in his own right a God as indicated in 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Exactly Mike. It would seem more likely that the Son's of God enjoyed their power over the nations a bit too much. This is evident in that they got together as a group, hoping in their numbers, to make a secret pact to become as God. They must've believed that through their unity of powers and their creation of new "life" that somehow they would be vindicated. Foolish thinking.
Another great video but there are two other verses that come to mind 1. Mishlei 16:4 and Yesheyahu HaNevi 45:7
Won’t the problem of rebellion always exist with free choice even into the New Eden? It’s happened so many times....
After what humanity has been put through on this Earth that would be highly unlikely
**They Might Not be on God's payroll, But the service they provide is essential for God Almighty to finish what He did in the beginning, Create a man He could Trust*
*FREEWILL*
What I believe set off the members of the divine council was when God gave man Dominion over the eaeth. Man, made lower than the angels. The serpent usurped that Dominion when he deceived them in the garden.
Could you explain 1 Kings 22:20-23, 2 Chronicles 18:18-22 please. Looking forward to your explanation sir.
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
Short answer: yesn’t
💯 😂 🤣😂
@Tina Marie I actually don’t think they were, but I was feeling cheeky. 😅
Omni Codex I just kept hearing Heiser saying his famous “well, the answer is yes and not yet..” So your comment reminded me of that 😂
It's impressive how one can know who God is, claim they are of God, and yet twist the exact meaning of what God's purpose is meant to produce. The problem is that God gave His words which can be twisted. But His intent cannot be
love the profile pic btw man.
I've been having some questions that I've been pondering the last couple of days regards the serpent and the garden.
Was everything good in the garden? Why was there a deceptive creature in the garden? Did Satan fall before the fall of man?
I totally agree with Dr Heiser here. I just have a question. Maybe someone can help me out with this. God did seem to have an evil spirit working for Him in 1 Kings 22:22. English Standard Version
And the LORD said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ Can anyone help me understand how this spirit isn’t evil if it volunteers to be a lying spirit to help God have King Ahab deceived. I understand the spirit is helping God but it seems to take pleasure in being deceitful. Thank you & God bless each & every one of you! 🙏🏻
It’s a judgment court room. In a court room all parties representing are present to represent. The lying spirit was representing the false prophets who were doing the bidding of the lying spirit. The lying spirit was entitled to be present and required to be present
Mr Constantin Thank you!
Mike does answer this in (I think) Unseen Realm.
Lynn V I’m almost finished reading Supernatural. Unseen Realm was a bit too difficult for me to understand which I later found out is because Michael said he wrote Unseen Realm more for other scholars & theologians but he said he wrote Supernatural for the average reader which is a more simplified version of Unseen Realm. By the way, I totally recommend reading Supernatural, especially for anyone who had trouble with Unseen Realm like I did. It’s an awesome book and it makes things in the Bible that I didn’t really understand before make sense now.
@@The_Lion_And_The_Lamb thanks for the suggestion! I appreciate it. May God bless you.
God is Love ❤️ God what an amazing creator he is!
And that is what he wanted all of us to know about him. That we were created by such an awesome being who really cares. But what we see down here does not reflect who he is and neither did those sons of god. So he became flesh and dwelt among us.
Amen!!!
Good job Dr. Heiser. However, there are still some things about your Deut. 32 worldview that I'm trying to wrap my head around.
1.) Did each of the nations after Babel get allotted an entire pantheon of gods or a single son of God? For example, was Egypt ruled by all the mythical gods we learned about in school or was it under the spiritual control of just one guy?
2.) Do only ancient Near-Eastern nations, which were most affected by Babel, have gods? Did India, China, Japan, and places in Africa and the Americas receive their gods, or are they just completely devoid of any principalities?
The nations are being ruled by angelic governorships. I would say each nation is being ruled by a mirror image of how God rules creation. If you want an image as to what the leaderships of each nation looks like look at how God and his Board Members run the Universe.
Bruvvv. India is filled with images and idols of gods. Deuteronomy 32 8 says that God appointed each nation gods according to the number of sons of Adam. So yeah, wherever the sons of Adam went, there God appointed sufficient number of such gods.
the dividing of the earth to the several nations of it, and giving to everyone their part and portion to possess and inherit, was the work of God; for though it was done by the sons of Noah, yet by the order, appointment, and direction of the Most High, who rules in heaven and in earth, Genesis 10:32; men might not and did not take what they pleased, or seize on as much as they could, but each had their parcel allotted and portioned out to them, by the Lord himself; (Gill's )
1. Could have been given one of the fallen watchers as a 'god' and from there that god allowed other evil spirit beings to rule under them. Why is that not an option?
2. Yes, all other nations have an assigned principality. From the table of nations, which spread out over the earth, other sub groups would have broken off from the initial as they spread out, and from that other fallen gods were added. The Apostle Paul talks of a hierarchy of evil beings we contend with.
Do I have credentials which give me credibility? No. Just using a little logic. I could be wrong.
@@lynnv8501 The Watchers who fell were locked up in Tartarus mostly. A few others were locked up in the earth & separated from them for some reason. The Watchers seem to be a lower rank of celestial being. I would think the Principalities are from a higher ranking class of celestial. Michael is a very powerful angel. Probably one of the most powerful angels we see in Scripture. However, he was prevented by a Principality of Persia for a period of time when he was sent to answer Daniel. Paul does speak of these principalities and powers and rulers. Jesus made a show of them openly. In fact, Id say not only did He do it by defeating the grave but He did it when he defeated the gods of Egypt & made a fool of them before all of heaven and earth. Its through our Redemption that we are freed from their spiritual authority & power. We cannot bring them down or dethrone them. People have weird ideas about spiritual warfare. The strongholds that we have the authority to bring down are ideas and imaginations cast upon us that are contrary to the Knowledge and Will of God. In other words, we have a choice to surrender to their influence that the world does not.
Would being consigned to idolatry be similar to Paul requiring Timothy to be circumcised, that is to prove ones commitment to God? To voluntarily come out of idolatry being on par with voluntarily being circumcised? The volunteer making an extreme gesture of demonstration as to the intent they have for the direction of their life?
AhHa!Thanks.
Of course, ..
what would christianity be without the devils, demons and hobgoblins?
I have a question no one seems to have an answer for. In one of the study books of the history of the world there is mention of two towers of knowledge of the history of the earth. These are supposed to be one of stone and one of bricks. I can’t find anything on this subject and how do we know they existed? Is there anyone that can help me find something on the subject?
What about the adversary that God charged to “Do anything you want to Job, except kill him”. That seems contradictory to what Dr Heiser just said.
any creation is a reflection of it’s creator. Mankind is a reflection of god, god gave us choice but he failed to teach us how to use that choice.
I believe GOD did this because he knew they were not going to change, unless the intervenes, but GOD never leaves you or forsake you, so his reasons are good reasons whether we understand them or not, I'll give GOD the Glory, another awesome nugget.
The scripture where God allows one of The heavenly messengers to go and be a deceiving spirit to the prophets, and tells this spirit that he will prevail also comes to mind. I forget what passage. 1st Kings 22
It's interesting, the bible says a lying 🤥 spirit not necessarily an evil spirit.
Even if those beings were evil before he apportioned the nations to them... It wouldn't be all that different to Israel going into exile within evil nations.
In both cases, God essentially is saying to people that should have been loyal to Him, "You want to be free from all of my blessings? Fine, here you go. See how much good it does you to serve these tyrants."
So the evil "gods" of the nations would not have been on God's payroll. The whole reason the nations were given over to them is that they weren't God's allies... They were enemies that he could use.
Hi Dr. Heiser,
Thank you for blessing the body with your insights through study. I have learned much from your works and have gone into academia myself. I would love to hear your opinion on this if you have the time to give it...
Firstly, I am in agreement that these sons of God weren't in opposition to YHWH at their initial emplacement. I think the Melchizedek/Abraham story is a perfect example of this (Gen 14:18-20, cf. Heb 7). Abraham gave him tithes, recognizing that they served the same God, El Elyon, and Melchizedek was from Salem (traditionally recognized as Jerusalem, therefore, the land of Canaan). It seems that only after that particular son of God rebelled did Israel displace the Canaanites and claim the promised land for themselves some 400+ years later.
Secondly, I would like to ask for a point of clarification regarding the notion that evil spirits aren't on God's payroll. In the divine council scene of the Micaiah story (2Kin 22:19-23), God authorizes a lying spirit to go accomplish a task. At this time the law was instituted in Israel and, therefore, also the commandments therein. So my question is: was the spirit who opined the suggestion to be a lying spirit an evil spirit? If so, doesn't that put evil spirits on God's payroll as current members of the council? If not, without your help, I would have trouble reconciling the implications.
Thank you for your time and God bless!
GENESIS: the LORD GOD created the DARKNESS, and je FORMS the LIGHT out of the darkness!!!! LIGHT and Dark are ALL CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH!!!! HE ALLOWS THEM TO SERVE A PURPOSE!!! WE WOULD NEVER LEARN ABOUT LIGHT AND DARK, IF DARKNESS DID NOT EXIST!! WE COME TO KNOW JUST HOW MUCH OUR FATHER LOVES US, BY LEARNING ABOUT LIGHT AND DARK!! WE LEARN ABOUT HIM... WHO HE IS, AND WHO HE IS NOT!!!!
He is obeying Gods command ,, Gods has mercy on whom he chooses,, loyalty of belief is everything.. evil spirits go rouge and perform non sanction acts against the creation,, thus judgement..
Great Video
I Was Just Wondering About This the other Day
And I Was Wondering, Where Did the Temptation to Sin Come From in Satan, If There was No Sin At the Time?
Everything was Perfect...God Knows the Future, So He Knew Satan Would Rebel, Where Did the Evil Thought Come From, And the Devil is Very Crafty, and Smart, He Served Under God All that Time, How Did He Not Know That He Couldn't Beat God, And Was Not More Powerful than God
I Wonder Does the Devil Regret it Now that He Knows His Fate?
Where can the rest of this lecture be found?
Trash
Perhaps God has hampered the conditions of salvation to avoid these future deviations from the past?
Ezek 20:24-26: "Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. Therefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they should not live; And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that opens the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord."
Rom 9:17-20: "For the scripture says unto Pharaoh, Even for this very purpose have I raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore he has mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardens. You will say then to me, Why does he yet find fault? For who has resisted his will? No but, O man, who are you that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus?"
Paul teaches us in Rm 8:19 that; all the creation eagerly awaits the revealing (manifestation) of the Sons of God. But What's That? This is our own personal revelation.... when we believe, when we accept, when we fully embrace the revelation that we are just like David, who was anointed King, before he was crowned King. That we too are anointed Kings (Rev 1:6).... Our crown coming on the Day of the Lord, that being, one in the same.
Amen
How about the heavenly counsel in Job?
Am I allowed to use material used in your videos and books in my videos ?
Only for reproof - which this video so desparately needs. For who also will not be allowed into the kingdom of heaven? Liars (those that bear false witness). This teaching is in error and bears false witness.
Of course.
Ex 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh’s heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. (Did God employ Pharaoh?)
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:
If... there were no fallen men on Earth
No Angel in Heaven would need lifting-up
from the witness of any works done against God
... by any Soul
Bible in the Books of Wisdom directly states that “the wicked were created for the day of judgement”!! More importantly, in II Thessalonians 6:11 it states “Gad casts a delusion upon the nation so that they would be deceived”. That chapter may be the most important chapter for EVERY Christian to read before voting in the 2020 Election. We’re divided, and in my discussing this chapter I find that the people on both sides of the political debate swear they are the “correct” followers of God’s vision for America. Are we ALL doomed???
If after Creation, God said,
"It is good"
Where would that fit into the question?
Did God make A L L things 'good'?
Thank you Mike!
This depends on a few things, how do you define creation? Is it how a 21st century or ANE Israelite would see it?
To directly answer your question, Mike’s view is that God was saying his creation(bara in the Hebrew) which assigned function was good. In other words, it was what God wanted. Mike would also say that “it is good” refers to the end product act of creating/assigning function. So in one sense, it was good, but he didn’t assign function to everything in existence so to say “all” wouldn’t make sense. At the same time, one could say “it was all good” in the sense that everything he created in that moment was good. I hope that makes sense.
@@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou I veiw creation as ABBA Father's Holy Spirit would instruct His son or daughter who has been born again - and views it as our 'anointing', Teacher instructs.
Thank you very much for your response, Beets.
God bless you my friend 😁
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God has his definition of good that may be slightly different than ours
I agree, brother. Curiously, I understand this much better now...after unfaithfulness, divorce, being the target of parental alienation and my youngest son committing suicide under the totalitarian dictatorship of his sociopathic mother. The ultimate supreme beauty and holiness of the Kingdom of YHVH Elohim is best manifest by the UNITY of the “Family Unit” of our Creator in mutual love of each other and Truth-ECHAD! This singular focus seems to be so pervasive and vital to YHVH that He is willing to pay any price to achieve it-as we must!!!
Take up your cross is never more clearly understood than in this Light. However, I think there is more to the subject you have devoted a whole 5:22 minutes to, eh? “).
I would love to address how I was once misled about this by EVERY translation of Isaiah54:16 until I read the LXX which is the only version that makes any sense at all...and does NOT correlate
to the “70 Sons of God” who have deceived the Nations along with Lucifer, Apollyon/Destroyer...and their initial good standing with YHVH. Also-we know that the “One” who was detained by the angel of Persia for 21 days in answering the prayer of Daniel (ch. 10) assisted Michael... WERE THERE OTHER “PRINCES” OVER VARIOUS NATIONS OTHER THAN MICHAEL WHO WERE FAITHFUL TO YHVH???
Shabbat Shalom bshem Yahushua HaMashiach tsidkenu
Jer23:6
What about when he indulged the devil to tempt Job?
When the wicked are fulfilling the purposes of God, how can they justly be held accountable? Not every evil deed is foreordained, for not every evil deed forms part of the predeterminate counsel of God, but it must surely be by his permission. We do know from Scripture that some evil deeds are foreordained, like the selling of Joseph or the crucifixion of our Lord, and that in spite of their predetermination those who performed them were nevertheless held accountable. What kind of justice is it that holds men accountable for an evil deed which it has been foreordained they shall perform? It seems that Paul, when speaking to the Christians in Rome, had been asked this very question, "Who then is morally accountable?" Or as he put it in Romans 9:19: "You will say then unto me, Why does He yet find fault? For who has resisted his will?" On what basis will any man be judged accountable if the sovereignty of God really extends this far?
Is the surgeon who removes a hand to save a life, evil? Is radiologist who kill cancer while making his patient sick to the point of death, evil? I think now....explains Isaiah 45:7. God not only permits evil, He creates evil. The Bible never said this God creating sin or wickedness.,
I agree in the strongest terms possible that to oppose God is to be fired. But I'm stuck on the passage in 1 Chronicles 18:18-22 where it seems to say that God made use of a deceiving spirit to, in effect, do His bidding. It appears he was indeed "employed". I would sure appreciate some help with this.
18Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing on his right and on his left. 19And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 20Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
“ ‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
21“ ‘I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“ ‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
22“So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
free interpretation as usual of deut.32 . The text speak about the inheritance concerning the land to come for Israel (and others nations) who are the future elects of God as one nation and naturally not all Israel will be the true Israel of God but only the spiritual seed from Abraham.
Have you read The Unseen Realm ?
@@issacdhan yes i have this book and some others from him BUT he is an idolater who believe in two powers in YaHWEH He believe in TWO YAHWEH ???? But there is only one mighty power in the Father and Jesus is the same power BECAUSE he is I AM (this is the Father name). look at this= Rev.1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus is describing Himself as being THE ALMIGHTY ONE and we know God the Father is the only mighty ONE so the power of the Father and the Son are NOT two different powers but the one and same almighty power of the almighty God.
Even if the "Sons of God"were good to start off with, God has foreknowledge. Surely he knew what would happen right from the beginning.
True, but the point is Yahweh’s military genius. He knows what will happen, but the solution, no matter the problem that arises, begins with the Messiah being sent. It’s all “resolved” from that point onward.
Yes, but the honest design of God is free will. As the family of God which consist of sons of God, angels and us humans, he gave free will to everyone.
But to be able to live forever with the creatures that love God and goodness, he had to allow ALL of them to make their individual choices...
akcandlemaker If the angels didn’t have free will, how did Satan rebel and lead 1/3 of the angels against God ?
@@rhpicayune And which side were you on? If you have a flesh prison suit, that would be Satan's side.
We are the fallen angels kept in our DNA chains of darkness.
For Daniel's sealed scroll, unsealed for this generation, watch/listen to the angel of the Church of Philadelphia: th-cam.com/video/7v554QtlGKs/w-d-xo.html
I wonder about the death angel or the spirits of madness on Saul and nebucednezer.
Well it depends on what you mean by "from the beginning".
If you mean "were created corrupt". Then no. Nothing, not even the Devil was created evil. Everything was created good.
However, that leaves open the question "when did they go bad" and one of the probable answers to that, based on traditional angelology, is that they went bad almost right away. In the beginning of their existence, they saw what part of God's plan was made available to them and in that moment they decided either "yes, I will serve the plan, and love" or "no I will not serve the plan".
If we then ask the question "why would God go on and assign them roles in his heavenly court etc?" I would answer, because Angels (yes I know the term isn't entirely accurate) have freedom, just as we do. They must earn their condemnation, just as we do. Their choice was made, but they had not yet acted out their choices.
Further, this also allows for human freedom. For if people are free to choose idolatry, then it is fitting that there be some other god to make an idol of. God consigns people to idolatry, because people chose idolatry. He gives them what they want.
This is not to say that God purposed the fall of the angels, nor that he purposed man's idolatry. Rather it is to say, that God used both of those things to demonstrate his justice, mercy, etc. He uses the rebellion of those who hate him in order to give them what they want, and also to serve his plan.
Regarding evil being on God's payroll... it depends on what you mean. God does not intend evil, but God does use the evil of rebels to serve his purposes.
The Bible says that Satan was a liar from the beginning... Again, I don't think this means he was created as a liar, but that he went bad right away. Yet God, as Heiser points out in other lectures, still had him in the office of "Ha Satan" the accuser. He still came and went with Sons of God and was in Heaven.
Likewise, later in the OT God makes use of a lying spirit. God does not lie. Lying is evil, but God made use of a lying spirit to fulfill his plan.
Well said Brother!!
God Bless :)
Jesus Grace is Enough ✝️
It's actually videos like this that made me lose my religion, because I started asking questions, like : Wouldn't it be great if there was a book that didn't take some PhD to have to explain what God was thinking, or have to study dead languages to understand it? There are too many "seems" and "apparentlys" in this, and most apologist's videos. Too many questions, too many opposing verses, and finally too many biased opinions made me question, and ultimately lose, faith in any religion.
Are the sons of God the same beings as the watchers? And are they currently in the pit?
The watchers are among the sons of God, yes. The watchers are in Tartarus awaiting the great day of judgement, except for Azazel who is hung in Orion. Azazel had the key to the bottomless pit and is the king having the name Abaddon or in the Greek Appolyon, according to Revelation.
The Death Angel, The Destroyer reads as if they're on God's payroll.
But is the death angel evil? He's one of God's angels who goes and does what God wants, which is bring death to those who are condemned to die.
And if he is evil, that doesn't mean God won't still use him.
@@jimmyboy131 *I look at this as the angel is being given a title according to this mission here which was to carry out Gods judgement against Egypt & its gods. Whoever this angel was is simply carrying out a task hes been given by God. Hes on a specific mission & hes being given a title in accordance with that mission*
Death angel always took as a fallen angel as well, and also a type of angel that head to be held back by the Restrainer
@@jimmyboy131 apparently he is ...he is released in the last day's he's called ad
adnoan apparently ( the spelling not be correct )
We use an adversarial role to pursue justice, but YHWH being Just, no need for the pursuit, regardless of all being done in the end to the Glory of YHWH.
Perhaps the passage that states " I create good, and evil" , in that He uses evil, for judgement, against who?, Against evil! Against itself.
In Israel's case, their disobedience. As in all cases as such I would say. And yet evil assaults the seemingly "good". The tribulations of this world was promised. And yet all adversity does not come from evil exclusively. Or does it if we trace back to " The Fall ", Gen 6, and Babel. However, employing evil and using evil to the advantage of good, (after evil's insurgence on it's own volition), are two different matters, I would say.
Where in the Bible does Dr Michael get the idea that God tasked the 'gods' to lead the nations? Psalm 82 pronounces judgement on the 'gods' for supporting evil men, but it does not imply they were tasked with leading the nations. You can be judged for sneaking in and messing a job you were not even given in the first place. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 just speaks of the nations being divided and their boundaries set. The idea that the nations were allotted 'gods' isn't there in those two verses. Is there any other scriptural references that I am missing?
This is how I see things: Satan wanted to be his own god when he rebelled against God in Heaven. When God kicked him out of Heaven with the other fallen angels, God allowed Satan to deceive Eve in order to become the god of this world (that is, God didn't step in to stop Satan). So what is God's perspective on this? God was essentially saying to Satan and his fallen angels: "Fine, I'll let you have your wish: you can become the god over mankind. However, this means that you and your angels will be responsible for the well-being of mankind. And so, you will be forced to face judgement for each and every atrocity you commit against mankind." Essentially, since Satan and his fallen angels wanted to be gods, God is now testing them on their capacity to be gods.
I think it's vice versa. God didn't decided Satan becomming the ruler over mankind but mankind chosen Satan's word as true over God's word finally making Satan becomming their ruler. God than sent his word in flesh and blood to save the lost.
@@Michael-wn4jj Even still, God did not step in to prevent Satan's plan to enslave mankind. God ultimately uses evil to serve good by proving how evil always leads to self-destruction. God wanted to prove Satan wrong for thinking that he could become like God, and so God allowed Satan to rule over mankind so he could utterly fail in this endeavour, ultimately proving God right.
Can any one help me come to a conclusion on the lying angel in 2 Chronicles 18:18-21 with regard to the topic of this video? Or/and address God’s moral standard regarding deception by citing the Bible in an effort to establish whether the angel lying is evil or good?
How about the deceiving spirit God asks for a volunteer to deceive Ahab to his death?
I spoke with an Angel. It was neither male or female. I asked.
So it's said the fallen angels mated with human women. How could they do this with NO genitals, at all.
They can take human bodies if they wanted to.
Would being good or evil have less to do with salvation than actually accepting or rejecting God in Christ? If you don't have to do anything good to receive God's grace, then you may not need to do any bad to go to hell.
Dr. Heiser, I wish you will notice my question. What about Paul's theology in Romans about the wrath of abandonment? It seems that it supports the "yes" answer. I'm looking forward for a reponse. God bless you.
Not only Romans 1 but 2 Thessalonians 2 and we have God giving the beasts in Revelation 13 permission to conquer and kill the saints. So I think that perhaps at Babel God gave the nations what they wanted at Babel but in a regulated manner - isolating and limiting the boundaries of influence of each of the sons of elohim who were cheering the builders on at Babel and looking forward to the possibilities of reproducing after their own kind and fathering offspring - something they were forbidden but witnessed among humans and desperately wanted to experience for themselves.
Perhaps Abba saw all before manifesting anything. Knowing rebellion would rise, like the byproduct vaseline in the oil industry This was necessary because he mandated free will and the ability to respond properly to receive this awesome free gift of life, using the base to refine his mishpocha.
I would be careful assigning the name Abba to anything. The Antichrist is coming in that very name. Wait thirteen months and you'll see. When the Abomination of desolation happens it will make sense to those who have eyes and ears.
@@jimmybates8742 Christ called God his father Abba. I have a personal relationship with my Creator who telepathically warned me about...so there.
@@jimmybates8742 And Jehovah witness turned me off to other names many are obsessed with.
Explain the devourer
Where can you see the full message?
This is part of the Unseen Realm 101 lecture series, from the Awakening School of Theology.
awakeningschooloftheology.com
Answer is #1. The Sons of God "The Watchers" angels, chose their path with the knowledge their path is bad but chose to do what they did because of lust. The wanted what man had but they could not.
What about when job was tested?
samuel soto - there is a long series of lectures on Job by John Walton on Sentinel Alologetics's channel. Very thorough - if you have the time and inclination, I can recommend it!
Search his other videos. He answered that.
@@issacdhan if you have a link that would be awesome.
@@samuelsoto5297 the short answer for those that don’t have the time to watch the whole video is that sons of God in the story of job refers to God’s heavenly council. At this time, we can reasonably guess that these sons of God hadn’t rebelled. Otherwise, we wouldn’t expect God to be talking with them.
Genesis 2:9
Genesis 2:17
Isaiah 46:7
Now I really don’t know how to process these scriptures.
Someone please help
God controls everything, both good and evil. Some angels rebelled against Him, others so far as I can tell erred and were corrected (depending on if you take Zechariah 3 as an angel acting as an adversary to the high priest or Satan specifically) and the most angels act on behalf of God.
As to the next question, why did God create the world with evil, you have to weigh, do you trust God and believe that He is attending over you? If so, then you can trust that God ultimately plans for good in a world that has evil. The world is not just what mankind perceives - God acts with knowledge that we don't have. Even so, I also believe, that if you ask God, He will satisfy your desire to believe in Him.
As far as Isaiah 46:7, what are you struggling with ? It just seems like it’s comparing and juxtaposing idols which cannot “move, answer, or save” and God saying there is none like me.
In verse 10 he says He will accomplish his purpose and verse 11 he says “I have spoken and I will bring it to pass”
This is obviously very different then the idols which can’t do any of these things.
If you read psalm 115, specifically verse 7 is hyperlinked in my bible, it’s very similar
Thanks goodness for verse 13!
To help Process them you can read them in their context, maybe a study Bible could help. If you download the logos app they have their faith life study Bible for free which is super helpful. I Also read different translations when studying.
Talk with someone more knowledge then You that has a gift of teaching in your local community of believers?
I love Bible project videos, they made one recently about the tree of life. You could also listen to their podcast.
Tim mackie and Michael heiser also have their own podcasts which are very informative and helpful.
“Exploring my strange Bible” and “the naked bible podcast”
If you need answer, search his videos , he answered them.