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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Deep Sea Zone is where SRB2's level design took a turn for the better. Before its 3D debut in version 2.0, SRB2's three available zones were filled with straight corridors with minimal platforming or intricate hazards. Deep Sea Zone is where that all changed, setting a precedent which would be followed by both the remainder of 2.0's levels, and all vanilla levels today.
This video would not have been possible without the assistance of Glaber, who provided me with the beta builds used in the video, as well as the resources to load them. Thank you so much for the massive helping hand!
Additionally, the Audio CD music loops were created by Jay Gilbert Dicken. That made my life easier.
Timestamps:
0:33 - SRB2 TGF (1998)
7:50 - SRB1 Christmas (1998)
11:43 - SAGE 2000 Trailer Build (Unreleased - 2000)
12:37 - Demo 2 Era Build (Unreleased - 2001)
14:53 - Version 2.0 (2009)
22:45 - Version 2.1 (2014)
28:48 - Version 2.2 (2019)
How's the progress with CEZ at the moment?
lol the demos are plain labyrinths
@@Pinkio ye
@@IkinBBfromAnthologyOfTheKiller ikr
@@Pinkio Ye,i played a mod who replaecs the current levels with the demo 2 levels and the last 3 or 4 levels i plyed were labyrinths
Man, Sonikku and SSNTails were really fond of extremely narrow corridors in these early designs. It makes it even more impressive how they managed to nail the design of GFZ2 on the first try. Out of all levels, it's probably the one that's changed the least from its earliest version to 2.2.
Unknownlight I would argue that Arid Canyon Zone itself has changed the least, unless you count Rocky Mountain Zone and Mine Maze Zone as part of that. Greenflower’s earliest builds were entirely 2D, while Arid Canyon made its debut in 2.0 and was remade for 2.2.
@@DylanDude That's fair, although if you were counting it that way then obviously Egg Rock Zone has changed the least. I was thinking more in terms of how many years they've been around (and I wasn't really considering the 2D versions).
man... i wonder how much that changed/helped in SSNTails's marriage
@@DylanDude To be honest I think Egg Rock has changed the least, it hasn't really had much aside from a few removed sections and the last act going from brak, to a race against metal followed by a boss, to black core zone as a whole with the race against metal, then the boss and then brak.
Actually, the software they were using corrupted levels if they got too big, meaning that they had to make the maps a fair bit small.
the music of the sage 2000 trailer build mixed with the dark corridors is nightmare fuel
One of my favorite parts of this series is how everytime we get to that Demo 2 bossfight, it's always just Greenflower again, but this time in a new arena
they had to make every boss in demo 2 GFZ's boss because of
*budget cuts*
HAHAHAH, SONIC, YOU WONT GUESS WHATS MY NEWEST INVENTION!
-let me guess, its Greenflower zone's laser again, right?
Uhhh, YES, BUT THIS TIME IN A DIFFERENT ARENA, AHAHAHAH I BET YOU COULD'VE NEVER GUESSED THAT ONE!
It's crazy how version 2.2 is unrecognizable compared to the previous versions (level design, look, everything). Also, it's the end of the 2D versions? How sad, they were so unique (and quite the technical feat considering the engine it was made on, even compared to Sonic Robo Blast 1 it's quite the improvement).
Game Hero We’ll see the 2D versions one last time in the Arid Canyon video, as Mine Maze Zone Act 1 was the final level of both builds. I already went ahead and recorded the footage for that.
ikr? when I played those for the first time I had a bad time figuring where to go :x
now, and just now I know where to go to complete those levels XD
Y'know I ALWAYS saw your comments on different videos. Literally ALWAYS. Then I click on your channel seeing SRB2 History videos and I'm liked "Aw yis, man a' culture we got here."
You can see the start of the SAGE 2000 build in 2.0 at 18:00, and in 2.2 at 31:06. It’s a nice call back to the trailer from way back when.
You forgot 2.1 at 25:09
@@THSGC It was exactly the same as 2.0.
Dedication personified.
was i the only one who was scared shitless of old deep sea zone? lol
No
no
Even though I haven't really played SRB2 that much, I really love these videos!
noctium Thank you!
You haven't played SRB2? You need to play it. NOW. *THIS IS AN ORDER.* *_You're gonna play the game 50 times until you experience,_* _the magic that this game has to offer._
-this was a joke.-
It was fascinating for me too, I've only found out of this game in the 2.2 era, but looking at the history of this game was absolutely amazing
Jeez, that grating buzzing sound from TGF SRB2 is very annoying. And the Demo 2 Beta levels are as confusing as ever. I’m glad they were able to turn this into a very enjoyable level.
I legitimately did not believe Act 2 in the Demo 2 Beta had a goal post. I had to look in Zone Builder and find it and map out my route through the level that way.
By the way, do I you plan to cover the demo 2 only zones like Mine Maze and Dark City? Or are you only going to do the stages from the current versions? And also is Black Core going to have it’s own video? Because originally i believe those were a part of Egg Rock.
Snoogleflorp Mine Maze and Rocky Mountain are going to be part of the Arid Canyon video. As for Dark City and Grand Eggship (Doomship), I might shove them together into a “scrapped levels and more” video along with the cut multiplayer stages, but that’s up in the air right now.
So from the beginning it was going to be the games one water level. I gots chills i just cannot do this place without tails its so vast and deep
Glad to see you finally got it out! Great work!
KingSandvich Thanks!
That constant beeping really got on my nerves, haha.
That’s actually [Aquaphobia].
I'm used to the standard Sonic sound, but that weird replacement that almost sounds like a smoke detector or something…AGH!
Deep sea evolved so much in it's history and my favourite version of the music is in V2.0
Honestly while the new version is a massive improvement overall, I do wish they kept Deep Sea Act 1’s theme, I think it would fit the new version even more than the old one. Or at the very least, they could have used it for Azure Temple, fitting that level’s use of prior Deep Sea tunes (but then it would not compliment the insane difficulty as much). They could even throw in a bit of that one leitmotif heard in every 3D Blast Saturn level, I think it would work kinda well and surprise older fans playing it.
MIDI version (native) of Azure Temple sounds similar to old DSZ1 theme in some parts.
I remember the block-breaking room from when I played 2.1.
It isn't very good level design, but man was it fun.
better than what we have now, I always knew the path from the back of my head
But darn rip those potato computers
I remember me and some friends just spending the entire time clearing out these blocks, it was so goddamn fun
@@shady4108 I've done that too, it took half an hour for me
Man, I remember back in the day of early computer games, when when stuff like the TGF version were impressive. lol
Ahh good times.. I remember failing hard getting the Deep Sea Zone done with Sonic, with Tails and Knuckles it was quite easy. Took a while to manage it with Sonic.
Boy I don't miss that crumble wall maze! This zone got such a glow up and I'm happy about it!
they REALLY changed the boss for the better in my opinion, i stopped playing a while ago but i remember version 2.0 of it very clearly. i remember struggling so hard on that boss, it turned me off of playing singleplayer in general to be honest. cool to see its been improved so much lmao
I HATED the 2.0 Boss of Deep Sea. It was hard enough staying out of the water as Tails, but having to Spindash Jump just to smack them and get back to solid ground?! (i played srb2 the past by the way).
Looking forward to seeing what people have to say about the next one. The original Castle Eggman Zone was just boring and depressing.
I forgot that I subscribed to you but I'm glad I did.
Deep sea zone is one of my favorite levels in srb2 and one with the best tracks in the game
Man, i remember the crumbling wall room in v2.1, it gets a little harder for me at first, but i kept remembering the route of it.
The 2009 version of act one was originally going to have a Freedom Planet easter egg inside of it near the end. You needed to press a switch before the end of act signpost and climb up a waterfall using Knuckles to reach a secret area with a few one-ups. I don't know why it ended up excluded, but the secret area is still there in that version of the game.
Freedom Planet came out six years later, that secret has nothing to do with it.
@@DylanDude I'm going to put some effort into backing up my claim and do some research via the forums, since it's been a long time and I've made a lot of memories playing this game as a kid in 2003. Just assume that I'm incorrect if I don't end up coming back to this post. I could be mixing up the game that was supposed to make a cameo, but there *WAS* originally supposed to be an easter egg in that waterfall room.
@@aries999 I know the waterfall room you're referring to. It predates Freedom Planet by six years, and doesn't have anything specific to it anyhow.
@@DylanDude ... I think he meant 2.1.6, as that was when the Easter Egg was supposed to be added... Keyword "Supposed"
in dsz act 1 2.1 i would always race the water up in the beginning
did you always win?
@@noahbillyproductions880 Yep!
love how the drowning theme in tgf is just EEEEE EEEEEE!!!
I absolutely love the 2.2 version of this map, but I thought the 2.1 boss was more interesting then the new version. I feel the new boss is a little too easy.
I remember how hard it was but when it comes to CoOp, damn, we only spindashed in the places Eggman could been XD
now... I did it like.. too fast??? only lost rings one time when the older one made me lose lives ":l
Yes
Yes
the music used for TGF Deep sea is wrong. but I can't really fault this as this version actualy lacked music and the track was only found in SRB Xmas.
If you looked at the start when he said the music was edited in you would know that
@@ABUltra64 the edited in music is still wrong.
Old Deep Sea Zone has that fucking Leitmotif I KNOW THOSE CHORDS BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE FROM
A play through of deep sea zone and wow am surprise that you were able to get past the old versions of srb2's bad bad music but it did improve and now its even better in 2.2
A K A extreme lag when you have the psp port
Or mobile port.
Especially Mobile
HAH, LOW END DEVICE USERS
You think this is lag?
*laughs in Castle Eggman*
And Switch homebrew.
How do you get SAGE 2000 version?
It was in a devpack
R.i.p pre 2.0 flute Dsz
Thank you! :) Is the SAGE build in the archives though?
SonicVaan You’re welcome! And no, the SAGE version of DSZ was part of a dev pack released around 2016.
@@DylanDude Ah, pity. Shame they're not archived, I think a lot of these early builds have historical value.
@@DylanDude Nevermind, found it. Amazing! :)
@@DylanDude Wow! really? I'd love the link to it!
@@greenknight9000 same
12:38 How'd you Get That?
Armed Robbery
@@yagzbaransonmez3532 "PUT THE DEMO IN THE BAG!!!!1!1!"
I remember playing this as knuckles in my XP Days and the dancing banana back when i use cheats.
Something about the old level design give me autophobia. It look so empty
SAAAME, I feel that with old SRB2 builds.. I even had nightmares with them omg
i swear to god that shit was viable for actual creepypastas
The air noise in TGF kills my ears.
pEEEp
*peeep peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
*peeep peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*
Drowning theme: it’s show time!!
The air noise in TGF: **goes home crying to his mom**
BE-BEEEEEP
yay new video
super sonic is my favorite song
I wish they kept the 2.0-2.1 level layout. It looks fun to play.
it was
not for some people though.
This level wasn't a fave of mine
The first room was pain to newer players who played as sonic
@@SomeRobloxDudeWasTaken You could avoide the bottom path with sonic with some precise jumps
Lol the water is tiles in the SAGE version
thats because he didnt use the right version of the game lmfao
WTF is that beeping in the second tgf demo? It made me think all of the smoke alarms were going off and drives me crazy
That's the noise that indicates your air is decreasing.
you have the dowload of sage 2000 build?
11:43 How you make for play that version in the demo?
It was released as part of a dev pack several years ago. I just loaded it into Demo 1.
@@DylanDude oh okey
Castle Eggman Zone?
That's the video I've been looking forward to making since I started. So yes, definitely. And since I don't have to deal with TGF or beta nonsense this time, it should come out _much_ faster.
I did not like the wall breaking room featured in earlier versions. Glad it's gone.
Me too
@@IkinBBfromAnthologyOfTheKiller What does the switch next to it do by the way? i forgor 💀
@@monochrome_but_poly idk too
how do you use the dev pack
Yeah the original versions of the tracks used for Deep Sea Zone really don’t do it for me. The new versions are WAY BETTER!
I heard some zones are getting redesigned again, Plus the new things that may be coming with Sonic being able to run in loops, on walls, Etc, from looking at some stuff on Discord it makes me worried that levels in this game may become linear instead of big and open like they are now.
Anything about Red Volcano act 2?
@@targettoad691 Well,it will exist.
Nah,STJR is talented,they're gonna use it to add more verticality and places to explore in the maps.And as far as i know,DSZ2 will be redesigned since the current one is a placeholder,ERZ1 and 2 were planned to be remade too but they didn't manage to so they're gonna do it later so it's aldo getting redesigned,Red Volcano's 2nd and 3rd acts will be added,CEZ2 is incomplete,and there are 2 entiere zones that aren't even in the game yet.
2.0 Is the best one in my opinion
That is until you see the character creator.
Lightspeed dash? Nope!
Water running and/or water skipping? Given the axe too!
Super form? Sonic has it, but no one else.
Want the Multi-Thok? Give up your spindash for it!
Oh, and ONLY if the creators allow it, you can PUBLISH IT INTO 2.0!
SMSUnleashed20 was a character that follows the restrictions, but also breaks through the limitations.
@@gamerlunayt I think they meant the levels, not the game itself :v
@@ArpeggioPegasusMusic In that case, DSZ back in 2.0 was pretty good.
in the greenflower video. how did you get that sonic in the sage 2000 the past footage.
Benita K I used a 2.1 mod called “SRB2: The Past” which recreated that version from scratch.
What i was trying to say is the sonic sprites in that part of the video and how you got those sprites. and how. th-cam.com/video/BMz8tiVoudY/w-d-xo.html. 4:44 is the time.
Benita K That’s Placeholder Sonic, which is included in the mod. The sprites are from Sonic Xtreme, and were used in SRB2 at the time.
Not for me. is he like unlockable in the mod. or something else. Also i am using 2.1.25 for the mod
Benita K It’s technically a separate mod included in the download on the MB, I believe. If you got it off of a server, it won’t be there.
This looks like a doom mod or something. Build engine?
Doom Legacy 4.32.
DylanDude sick!
Doom engine. Although after 20 years of tinkering, it is barely recognisable.
whats the demo 2 era build?
Benita K The Demo 2 era build is an old version from back when SRB2’s final release was going to be in 2001.
But how did you get footage of the demo 2 era build.
@@benitak5199 It was released as part of a dev pack back in 2010.
How do i Get SRB2 Demo 2 era Build?
@@BrianFan7650 "How do I stop begging for old builds of SRB2?"
18:38 hey wasnt this released?
💀
Where’s Eggman Castle?
In the editing process. Should be out on the 11th.
Eggman Castle? It’s called Castle Eggman.
How Do i Play SRB2 SAGE 2000?
You can't, I'm pretty sure he's using the SRB2 Museum to play the SAGE version
the first is so creppy
AW YEAH THIS IS HAPPEN! And i am First oh yea Nice video dude and next i doing wait more!
It was never a good zone but 2.2 made it even worse... ugh
Hmm. I vastly prefer the 2.2 version.
Awesome